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Visit JC-IS.com and vector printing for your print and embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk, that's vector weather. Good. Okay, for cloth. For cloth, really? It's very seamless because of Alice. Jamie needs to start drinking again, you're... What? You're just... It's not working for you, is it? I'm a pirate. You've been so smooth and seamless in the past. Have I, though? No. A week off of drinking. Come on, don't lie on the pod. Um, Palace, one at Liverpool, again. Everybody knows there's a listing too, is there? Well, I assume so, yeah. Kevin Day, James Endocorps. Hello. And he's straight. Hello. Actually, James and Andy back on the pod. A week off of the pack. Yeah, yeah. Um, we've been recuperating and basically, I was James's help friend in the priory. It was fun. Good. Good. That's cloth over that. Um... Palace, isn't it recovering for being normal? Yeah. Can you have a recovery map? Thank you and all those. I don't know. Can you? I don't think... Electroshock therapy. I don't think they can cure that at all. Um, Palace, one at Liverpool. It's becoming a habit. Yes. Isn't it, Kevin? Um, but was it deserved? Is my question to you guys? Well, you and Andy were at the game. You seem to indicate by your early reaction to my, uh, text that it wasn't, but everyone else, the people who know about football, seems to be... That's why I'm honest. It's not one of the... It was deserved. Yeah, I mean, I... It's hard to judge on the match of day two highlights, but certainly I, I thought certainly the indication of the people who saw the game was that it wasn't deserved. It was a really good away performance. How'd you, uh, again, you know, he loves doing this afterwards. We don't know whether he did do it before, but afterwards he claims that he decided to go for them early on because it would be tight. Which he did. I think the first 15 minutes we had 63% possession and most of the action was in there half. So, um, I'm really... We talked last week, I think, about Jürgen Klopp's praises the intensity and the passion of English football that this would be the first time he saw it properly and it was, I mean, and I think he was a bit stunned afterwards. Yeah. We went for them for the most part. As Pardier said, scoring the goal, but it wasn't the best thing we could do as we sat back. I think as well. I'm sorry. To be honest. I don't care if it's deserved or not. Oh, yeah. It's a victory. Obviously. It is a victory. Yeah, but I think it was deserved. Yeah. He picked a really attacking team and he went for them and I think it was found already deserved, yes. I thought it was a bit of a smash and grab in some ways, but... Well, you weren't. Well, we were there. Well, yeah, I know. We were listening to talk sport on the radio on the way home and there had a couple of guys on it. I think it was Dominic Feifield, who's obviously a Palace fan himself, but there was another journalist, I think, from the Daily Mirror on their both, well, Palace, Edge of the Game. I personally thought it was a bit of a smash and grab, but we started the game really well. Up until we scored, I thought we were easily the better team and we sort of eased off them until, really until Connor Wicken came on, frankly, I mean, the ball was coming back a bit quickly. We were a bit sloppy in possession. They were getting in behind quite easily when they and it was just them being a little bit wasteful in the final third of them and they didn't capitalize, but I suppose in some ways that's become sort of the mold of some of the great Palace away performances over the last couple of years. You know, you soak up the pressure, you hope that when they get into the sort of really attacking positions, the opposition won't hurt you and they didn't yesterday. Well, we've said on the pod previously, I think we said last week, Kevin, that this Palace team is set up to play away from home and with Liverpool's gig impressing and their high pressing, it might actually play into our hands and it did. The wingers, Wilf and Yala had better games than they have done in recent weeks. It actually almost sort of went perfectly for the way that we played, doesn't it? I was very surprised about Klopp's, the way he sort of set his team up, knowing that that's what we do, knowing that we've got these players who can go on the break, you've got that speed with Balassie and Wilf, but yet they didn't seem to try and counter that at all. I mean, I know one of the great things they said on match the day two, which we've said on here as well, you get some like Balassie and Zaha, and they don't know what they're going to do themselves. Yeah. So I don't know how any opposition is going to do, so he's going to be hard to defend against, but I was surprised that there wasn't more defensive actions from the Liverpool team. It's funny for all, I mean, Liverpool fans, some of whom are idiots, mainly the ones who have been blaming Stephen Gerald for being there, but they're all aware that it's a work in progress for Liverpool, and you saw Eiffel just from the highlights, a lot of Brendan Rodgers' traits, because our first goal came from them trying to play out of the back, out of the fence twice basically, they lost the ball in the middle of their own half by trying to pass it about, and then again, Chandler's trying to do it in his own box. You're not trying to find Lucas, and the last thing, that was a real predator's instinct there, despite the idiot who was on the pod last week saying he probably should be rested. But there's no presence of elimination, which is too hard, it's the older more handsome one. I think two things about soaking out the pressure is first of all, I think Pard you probably would have told players that Liverpool are having 20, 25 shots of game and scoring one or two goals at most. So they're just not brilliant in front of the goal. And also it wasn't so much soaking out pressure, it was just a really good defence that everyone has picked up on the fact that Dan and Delaney were just, you know, pick a word, you know, immense superb with all the sorts of words that have been used, which is really good to hear. And Kelly had a good game, so it wasn't so much back to the wall, it was just like decent defence, and I went to break and went to, went to, went not to basically, and when we do break, we've got all that pace up front. And I say, and everyone said that when Wickham came on, he had another dimension, strength, physical pace, sort of Ben Techie type presence, which we've really missed. We didn't see much of that on the highlights at all, Wickham at all, and I was listening to the commentary on BBC London, and they were talking about Wickham art, and also you two were there. Did you make that much of a difference? I think he made a huge difference actually, almost immediately the ball stopped coming back quite so quickly. There were a couple of times where he would just receive it, look around him, but he actually beat a couple of men, was trying to lay people in, it seemed that straight away we were sort of playing the game 40 yards further up the pitch, which is what ends up happening when you've got somebody to genuine, not necessarily a target man in the sort of 1990s mould, but someone who's able to play as that sort of mobile, you know, strong, lone front man, which is- There was also a few teams where we had pressure, balling up to him, and he just took a couple of very clever fouls from the ten o'clock back to him, and went down, ref gets a free kick, and it just relaxes him. The last he doesn't do that, the last he isn't an experience for, it doesn't know how to do that. Same thing Murray used to do when he paid up front. And I think that was the thing that made the biggest difference actually towards the end of the match, and I think we probably would have lost had he not made that change, because I think eventually someone makes a mistake somewhere, and they were exerting so much pressure before that substitution was made, even with Will playing probably out of his skin, and Will was really excellent, I thought it was easily out of the match, but aside from him, you know, there were a few people who were, until Wicken came on, looking a little bit under par, I thought, so it just gave us that extra dimension. And yeah, he showed sort of the, the, a mouse that you would be wanting from your lone striker, which, to be honest, despite him being immensely sort of dangerous as a player, Benteko didn't really, for the most part, yesterday, it was probably testament to how well Dan and Delaney played that in about, I think, the 86th minute, the ball comes in high to him, and rather than actually just going for it and trying to sort of knock onto one of his fellow players, just committed the most ridiculously stupid push and foul on, I think that, I can't quite remember, but just showed, man, he had been quite frustrated by it, a really good performance from two centre backs, so, kind of gone away from the question there, in terms of Wicken, that was fine. Well, Benteko's still kind of part of the role style as well, it doesn't fit in with their old style, that's the thing. It's an odd one for the, I mean, when, when Rogers start, we'll join, and he got rid of Carol, because he said that's just the opposite of the football we want to play, and then he brings Benteko into the desperate sort of last throw of the dice, but they're not set up for Benteko. We're, we're the sort of team that are set up to have been taken in the middle, and hopefully Wicken can do a similar sort of job and gives us another option, and it's really good to have that, that, because, you know, for all that match the day two, we're praising our, our mobility at front, and their rotation at front, that was the first goal in open play we scored for, it was also kind of presented to us, on a play, so, you know, I don't think Wicken's in the score many goals, but I think he will bring players into the, into, into, well, we need those players to do the three kicks in and round the box, which is, yeah, well, it's got down to second header from, yeah, corner, I think, yeah, I've not seen the replay of it yet, it looked to me like I mean, I messed up a little bit on the first header, you know, interestingly, the first time I saw it, I thought other referees would have given that as a freaky against Dan, because he does look, I mean, he's just, he's just basically, he's just strong, but he does kind of, he's got his hand on the defender, but the defender sort of crouts you already, but really a million, they just, just parries it, he did what McCarthy did in a couple of games, parries it, not an easy parry, he parries it down, and onto the, and it bounces up, sounds perfectly, but you can see, but it's a great finish, because Dan, he's got a little bit of time and he looks and he turns his head and he places it, you know, right, what's big in a goalkeeper's, Wayne Hennessy, pulled a fantastic save before half-time, sort of diving to his, to his right, but had a decent game, we all sort of, it feels like last-a-ball beat, we've just kind of settled now with Hennessy and Gold, and we are, for the whole McCarthy, I would still like to see him try to take a little bit of pressure off his defence by coming to claim the odd corner or two, I can't recall him really, you know, commanding the six-yard box that much from some of those pieces, and I know it's difficult because you don't end up doing the stupid thing where, you know, the striker nips in, just thinks it passed, you know, you end up looking like a fool, but I think that would be my only minding criticism, but I thought yesterday was far, you know, far better than I thought he has been, sort of, to date before that, and yeah, fantastic save from that, you know. To be fair, is it a header? Yeah, I think that was a header, yeah. There's a shot from Lucas as well, I think it's a save, I know from Catina, he tipped over the bar. To be fair to him, Julian never really dominated the box, of course, and I think you need to find out whether that's, he may well be instructed not to come for it, you know, he may be told to lead it to the centre backs, you don't know, but I don't think there's any discussion of laughing, Hennessy's our number one goalkeeper in Julian's, I'm really delighted that Julian's on the bench, because I've predicted seven times in this party, he wouldn't be. You have to put my heart on, let's do it, put my heart on, let's together at the end of the season. But yeah, Hennessy's our number one goalkeeper, I don't think there's any, he's a good solid competitive Premier League goalkeeper. And he'll get better, he'll just get better, you know, all the same together. Have you, I mean, we were on the cards only home, we were talking about this. Have you ever known Palace to have such a hex over one team? I did do. So, so strongly over a couple of years. I didn't interview for Liverpool TV on Friday, and I know going on, the whole start of the interview was on Skype, I've got a couple of pounds on them. Yeah, it was horrible. But they were talking about us being their Volli team, we'd beat it twice last season. And yeah, and, and one to three three, the three three, it was like a week, but they were really. I was bad at it. But I was, but yeah, but I was really, but I said, I'm really pleased that you were talking about this because hopefully the players will be as well. And the things with those, those bogey team things that it gets, once it gets into a team's head, that's why it continues. Yeah. Then it puts that little bit of doubt on uncertainty and then you beat them again and then so next time we've got a 10% advantage and then they become desperate to end it. And it, it's amazing how it's become a thing, Palace Liverpool, it's not, we just did the double of them and beat them and stop them winning the championship. Yeah, and then before that, we did, we did beat them when we were in the Premier League in 2005 when AJ scored, then we beat them in the FA Cup, a couple years later, then we beat them in the league. I do remember them, I do remember them being the sixth dill at home one time, the first game of the season. I remember that. I remember that. I remember the beat of the five, you know, and filled up a lot of my wins and fields. I was there for that one. In the 75. Yeah. I think pretty much they've got the upper hand in terms of the league. Yeah. But it's, it's nice, isn't it? It's nice, isn't it? It's nice, isn't it? And actually, don't you say them. Yes, the team, the players of the team, that it's against for we, we're we thinking, but the players of the team, it's for the Palace. Absolutely. Are we going into game thinking, well, maybe we've got ready the upper hand. And the clock was obviously aware of it, despite his, he was slightly misquoted to saying, yeah, the Palace mean nothing to him. We didn't say that. He meant the previous results, but he was obviously aware of it. And he's obviously spoke to his players about it because he got quite close about the press conference. He knows who Crystal Pass are now. He knows. He knows who they are now. Yeah, I thought he was slightly ungracious. After the game of his comments. What did he say? Well, he looked, it was the first time he's lost, but it's the first time he looked cross. And he said there was no reason for us to lose that game, it was unnecessary. We lost because they scored two goals, but basically saying we're a better team and then we shouldn't be losing at home to teams like that. But also saying, you know, stop making excuses, we weren't tired, but made the fatal mistake, I think, criticizing Liverpool fans, which luckily they're a forgiving thick screen bunch of people who won, you know, will have forgotten it already. I imagine surely will have done, you know, but he tried to backtrack by saying I wasn't, because he said I felt all of my own in the stadium. But I think his point was, we should have done it, it was pretty quiet. That's what everyone said, but his point was, he said we should have 10 minutes to go, no one believed we could score, he tried to backtrack and say I'm not blaming the fans for leaving, I'm blaming us for giving him a reason to leave. He did actually say, he did say that he reckons that they could, because we had 10 minutes to play and in 10 minutes we could score eight goals at 10 minutes. He said eight goals, isn't it, it's ridiculous. That would be quite some turn around. That would have been some turn around. I mean, it was just exaggerated, but it was quite funny. Well, I mean, you'd probably expect them to do so, but after we scored as well, they just started resorting to ridiculously speculative long shots in there. I think Klein had one. Klein had one, I think Coutinho is looking to shoot him on us every time he got the ball, which he is, anyway, because he's that sort of player, but they didn't carry on doing what they were doing beforehand where they were, you know, managing the game cycle. But we made it difficult. Yeah, yeah, I think we could have done that. It's perfect for us. And that's one of our strengths of them, we make it difficult for them to take. I think Klopp was a little bit shield shot, because I imagine he probably wasn't used in the last couple of years at Dortmund to smaller teams coming to their place and having a go. And I think he's just starting to learn what the Premier League is about, basically. But we are not. It's hard to himself, said, if anybody from La Liga or Serie A are watching that, and it would just be gobsmacked by the pace and the power and the intensity. But we are no longer a smaller team, I don't think we are, I think we've now earned the right to be. We have a 10 team, we're 12 games in the season, we're 8th. We deserve to be there. Absolutely. We've taken points of Chelsea, of Liverpool as many as 90, yeah, at a fair point. Well, we're not. I don't think we're quite on quite some more team anymore. But we're still, if you're the manager of many nights at Liverpool, you still will be expecting to be paddled up. I think you'll be expecting to be. Yeah, of course we would. As we would expect to be some as a new council. Yeah, that's true. And that's part of the problem. The expectation is part of the problem. Well, what's really good about the result yesterday is, yeah, on paper, losing to West Ham Alistair is disappointing, it's like you say, we wouldn't have predicted that the start of the season that they would be top six teams when we played them and in really good form. But to come back from that with a point against, and whatever, all the people who talked about many nights being not on the team are just idiots, they're a really good team. They're just playing on a different style of football. And all that talk about Neil Neil draws, they drew a man city in Middlesbrough. The last away game was beat Evan the 3-0, they took Respawn apart and that was a really good point against a really good team. And then we'd be bouncing back from those two disappointing results with four points against two really good teams. It's fantastic. And going into two games that we would expect to get three points from, from those two. I think especially as we'd worried before him, the party goes on these quote unquote runs of defeats and stuff, but actually we've bounced back. I want to give credit to Pargi yesterday as well because it was clearly obvious from sort of half-time onwards that Balassie was struggling against Klein because Klein's got such a tone of pace that if someone's a winger like Balassie and just knocks it past him and runs, Klein will recover. As soon as he swapped over, Balassie and Tsar are the sort of guy who is obviously always changing direction, keeping them all a little bit closer to him, then Balassie Klein looks massively in trouble. And that was clearly Pargi's decision, obviously, because I probably didn't just decide their own relation to swap wings. So, albeit he is always deciding that he is a self-professed genius and then Pargi, in this particular instance, I think it did couple of things in that one. Of course it's going to be with some justification for his little team, I think there's a little bit. You two, there's all the reports talk about Tsar being outstanding, and the highlights didn't really reflect. Albeit they said on match day two, there's a half was outstanding, but there's only sort of show two bits of really good skills. Can I just, before you surprise, we had a request from one of our listeners for you to stop saying, "Albeit," and say, "Albeit." Well, I won't because it's not pronounced, albeit. I'm just passing on information. Well, I'll pass on the information to your listeners that if he wants me to pronounce it, Ronnie, I shall, I shall pronounce it, Ringly, if you will. I'm sorry, so you were there, so how good was you there? It was great. Yeah, he used the ball well. I mean, there was one opportunity where I thought our fans would particularly harsh him because he managed to beat three men, got into the box, did it a little bit, but the run from, I think it was Sacco at the time, didn't really come across the near post quick enough. There wasn't anyone to find, so he was trying to sort of work an angle for himself to take shot and ended up eventually being dispossessed, but he was beating men fairly easily. That run for the Sacco chance in the second half was superb. Yeah, that was amazing. Just managed to make far more ground with the ball than just about anyone else looked dangerous and looked like he had the beating of both fullbacks, both when he was on the right hand side and when he fought for the left. I think it was part of you who picked out his defensive work as well. I mean, it was a bit better, I mean, they were still murdering us down the flanks for about sort of 45 minutes in the middle of that game, whether that was because he wasn't tracking well enough. I mean, he looked like he was putting in the effort, but I think sometimes he switches off that sort of half a second, which I don't think is quite instinctive yet. I don't think it's a lack of effort, I think it's just not necessarily having that ingrained into sort of the way he plays football quite yet, which I think he does need to do. But it looks like he is improving, doesn't it? Yeah, I think so. He's learning it. And as I thought he was our man of the match, sort of certainly for his work on the ball yesterday, and he was certainly doing the work to get back to help his full back, even though he's not always sort of fully aware of what's going on. I do think we play, we are a good team, quote unquote, team or unit. We do work, and certainly defensively, you can see that they are so clearly working together as a unit, that they try to get their shape, like you can see the stuff that's drilled into them, which, you know, things aren't going well going forward in games, which happens to us, at least we're going to, like you said, James, still be very, very hard to beat. That is our game plan. I just think we're going to be hardworking. I had a mouthful of bacon sandwich, but I do think he's noticeably bigger in the last few weeks. I think he's definitely bulked out a little bit. I think they've clearly been working on his physical strength, which was lacking, I think. But it was apparently, if that physical strength was about to run your talking about it, that was pure strength, that was strength, and drive, and he's got that, and he's just becoming more, he's becoming a Premier League player, that's what it's become. And he's still on it in '22, '23, or '23. The only thing I really liked yesterday was the reaction from the players in the bench when we won at the end. It was at that enthusiasm, that passion. It was still what you want to see. It's not a run of the meal victory. I think we should acknowledge it, even if we're in the Premier League for another 10 seasons, winning it out of field. It's a brilliant thing to do, so of course it is. I'd never seen it ever before, so it was the first. I'd never seen it score it out of field. I saw Marco Gabi Adini score it out of field. Jeff Thomas. I think we won 2-1, it was hat day. Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't see it. Oh, I went to see the one that was in the Cup in the Cup. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I went on, I think the official coaches, we came out. They got their half-time. They got their half-time, which was great. And then they gave me a free coach ticket for the next game, so that was fantastic. Thanks, Palace. There was an issue with the coaches just there. What was that? Was it? Didn't deny it, I didn't see that. That's something different. But I remember coming out of that FA Cup game, and a guy going, "Enjoy that, mate. Slash time's ever going to happen." So for yesterday, I want that going to be thinking about it. I don't think you'll be listening. But anyway, that's a good part. In part one, in part two, we've got questions from our listeners. So join us in a bit. Hello, and welcome back to the five-year plan podcast. Great! Call it the 156, sponsored by JCIS, the global research and brand consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com, and vector printing for your print and embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk, and that's Vector with... Hey! Good, we've got some questions from our listeners then. And the first one is from Joe Pavlov. Hi, Joe. How's the dog? Good. Whoa! And I don't know what that means. And then... Oh, no! Why do you agree? I don't know what it means. Google Pavlov's dog. I'm assuming it's a reference. It's a famous sociological experiment. Good, okay. And Joe Pavlov. It's like shredding his cat. I know he's a shredding his cat. And Skiddlers pigeons. Yeah. Now you're just putting names and animals together. Joe Francis's pigeons. Skiddlers pigeons. Oh, Skiddlers pigeons. Oh, although Joe Francis is a famous pigeon. There's a famous pigeon. There's a famous pigeon in England's cat, but you obviously get for playing for England. Holding a pigeon. Holding a pigeon. Holding a pigeon. So what's Skiddlers pigeon? Now, there's another sociological experiment. It was about getting them to pick where the food was going to be when you rang a bell. What was the outcome? They found out where the food was going to be when you rang a bell. It was just really hungry. It's sociological. There's no point to it. It's not proper science. Oh, okay. Oh, that's not an account of work. It's Jerry Frost. There is... Oh, I want... It's not a sociological experiment. Sounds of work. It's... It's very good. It's very good. It's very good. Somebody once sent me an article that Jerry Frost has written in Pigeon Fences Monthly, whatever it is. You should know this. Why? I'm from the North. Pigeon Speak there. Pigeon Fences. Incorporating Whippet and Flat Cap. Oh, yeah. Very good. But in Pigeon Fences magazine, there was a whole page of readers' pigeons. Oh, my God. They're just pigeons and spot the pigeon competition where there was just a picture of some sky. And you had to put it there. It was the most northern thing I've ever seen in my life. Right. That's from you James. Thank you. Okay. Sorry. Joe's question is... Joe's question is... Why doesn't... Why doesn't Pigeon ever play Kebai for the full 90 minutes? He's screwing up my fantasy team. Oh, why doesn't he do it? Maybe it's to screw up Joe's fantasy team. Yeah, that's the only reason. Next question is how good he is. I don't know. We've mentioned this before. I thought against West Ham, Kebai looked like he was treading water. At the end of the first time, to be perfectly honest, it might be that after a year of not playing very regularly for PSG, that he's still not completely fit, because the Premier League is, so we're constantly told so much more intense and hard work than any other league in Europe. So it might be that he's not fully matched with it. I don't know. It's an interesting one because Kebai is one of those players that you would think could give you something the last time. I'd like to see the data forever. I would imagine he probably runs more than anyone else on the pitch. He was all over the place. There were times where he was dropping back to his centre max. He was going out wide to try and receive the ball. He was trying to push on. It may just be the fact that because of the nature of how he plays and where he plays, that he's one of the players he's going to have to take off. There was also, I think, stuff about him having something wrong with his, not badly wrong with his hit, but a possible, I think, thing to do with an injury at the moment. He's trying to live on a knock. It's the last 10 minutes here because he took the corner for the gold. He was on for the most of the game. It was on for longer than it was. Oh, is that an assist point then? That might be an assist point in the Fantasy League. I'll tell you the reason I don't know that is because I'm an adult. Okay. Which I was going to be upset now, isn't it? Sorry, it's a girl. Albeit one who's aware of... But also, there are also games where Kebai, like May 19, where he just, he literally is on an ifed, he's on a yellow, you know, he's on a yellow kick the ball away, so there are some games as well. I suspect Kebai's also being asked to do much more work than he has been done in the past. My memory of him playing for Newcastle is... He didn't have that much responsibility at Newcastle, I think. No. I mean, he's doing it brilliantly, but I think he's probably working hard on the hands down before the other. No, he's for that sound. And still, we still see him making his brilliant interceptions, like he is all one game in the middle. And clearly, whether or not he finishes every game, he's certainly starting every game, because... Which you also get points for in fantasy football. When you pass a 60-minute mark, you get two points from clearance. I'm delighted to hear that. I'm just, you know, kind of... The next time... Joe's morale. The next time, I'm currently looking for money for starving people in Africa, I'll tell them. Well, I mean, I don't want to call anyone out on this, but I think when we left the West Ham match early in the season, and we're all a little bit downcast, someone, we won't call him by name, let's just say his name's James Jayley, comes out of the game and goes, "Oh, but Jamie Vardy's called?" "That's our part." "Did he really?" "Did he?" "Did he really?" "That did not happen." "That'd be why you were drinking." "Exactly." "Was that the terrible incident you mentioned?" "When you were drunk?" "That'd stop you drinking." "No." "Because that's shame on you." "Yes." "I did..." "Well, one of my..." "One of you might..." "So, shame on you." "Well, he's an awesome man." "Yes, it's probably him." "Okay." Looking at the stats of Kebai, on my new stat app that I got yesterday, he completed 75% of his 36 passes. "He's usually higher than that." "Yeah, he received 23... I mean, there's lots of stats here that I don't understand, but just loads of different numbers." "And how many kilometers did he kill?" "I don't know where that is." "See, look, it's just lots of like..." "It's pretty though, that picture isn't it?" "Not about arrows." "Yeah." "Really weird." "I didn't think..." "Yeah, the best game with the ball actually Kebai, yes, by his standards." "But I didn't think he was sexually dropped." "He was sexually dropped." "I didn't say that." "He wasn't really sure much on the TV, was he?" "No, and that's the important thing." "And that's obviously the most important thing when it comes to football." "Well, I think the thing we could buy is that they don't isolate, and they don't pick him out anymore, because he's such a consistently good player, so you don't need to be told that he's a good player, so they highlight other people." "But also, he does use the ball world, so even in games where he's not, you know, like Street says, making as many kind of fruit passes or whatever, he still uses the ball to the way he keeps it, as they say in the game, recycles the ball, keeps it difficult for kids on our side." "So, as they say in the game, changes the pace as well, he slows it down, and most things go through him, and also I think it's like Damien said on the podcast, it's like they looked him... "David Delaney." "David Delaney." "Oh, okay." "He was one who was on the podcast." "Don't be the other Damien." "Which did, one from the Omen." "Yeah, yeah." "Oh, that's J.D." "Oh, yeah." "Yes." "Oh, no idea what you're talking about." "Oh, the other players really looked for him for, you know, when things are tough during the game, they look to him for leadership and inspiration to him. All those intangibles, look it up." "Speaking of Damien as well, we didn't mention the first half, but you had a fantastic game, didn't you?" "You didn't mention some of us." "Did we? Delaney and Dan?" "No, no, it's easier." "But Damien always making some fantastic challenges." "Yeah." "Coincidence that since he's come back into the team, he's started picking up points again." "I don't think no, I don't think so." "No, I don't think so." "I don't think so." "Well, I mean, he gives us these easy answers, so perhaps we should just leave it there, rather than finding other factors." "It's nice, though, that we've got Hanglan there, though, he cares what one of them does get." "Yeah, but I wouldn't like people to imply that we are blaming Hanglan for..." "No, no, no, I'm not blaming him." "But I just think you're probably right, but I think it's amazing in a game that is awash with money that it's a player like Delaney with his background and how he almost accidentally got him when he was a broken man by his own admission, and he's the one that makes a difference, which is, I think, really encouraging and brilliant for him because he's fast becoming proper Palace. Or for one of the better word, legend, as well." "I think he already is." "Yeah, I think he already did." "Yeah, even more so. I mean, because none of us, we've said this before, none of us thought he would be good enough for the Premier League." "No." "Let alone very good in the Premier League." "Yeah." "And, like, you say, up against people like Ben Techie, who are..." "Ben Techie?" "Well, there was one..." "There was either on BT or Scar, someone was talking about Diego Costa yesterday, and the pundits were referencing Delaney's performance saying, "This is how you play against it." "So, people are now using that as a yard, and how to play against Dich. Sure crosses performance against them over the weekend. It was very much of the same. Oh, that's what it was, that's what it was. Yeah. Okay, well, speaking of another defender, Palace defender, Peter Hostakny says, "What is it in the results?" "That's not a sociological question." "All right, okay." "No." "And he's probably pronounced it wrong." "Yeah, probably." Peter says, "What's your opinion on Martin Kelly and his reactions or non-reactions after Palace's goals yesterday?" "This is kind of a thing on Twitter." "Frankly, if someone plays solidly for Palace and is committed on the pitch, I can care less if when we score, they run around wheeling a pick up their shirt and showing Alan Mullery t-shirt on the... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." That's a little bit... I think this is where... I understand what people are saying, but this is where the hypocrisy of football fans comes in, because anybody... We're still having to go, Ian Wright, for celebrating his first goal. We're asking... Yes, we... I'm not, I'm okay with it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Every time he sees me, he says, "I've got a birth certificate." (LAUGHTER) But I don't... Yeah, he says, "What will it take for you to stop calling me Judas?" And I had a time machine, basically. But we would expect... If an ex-Pallis player scores against us, we would hope that they did the same thing. So... Quite little to let Murray score against the ball. Exactly. So I don't think we should respect the fact that he was Liverpool-born and Brennan's Liverpool fan. He went through their academy. It doesn't affect... It's like all those Liverpool fans, idiots tweeting about. Scott Downs then taking a season ticket away. He's a professional footballer. Doesn't affect the way he plays forward. Then he gets the many games for this season. (LAUGHTER) Sorry, for me, it's against Murray Wright. (LAUGHTER) It must have been tucked in his shorts. I don't know. (LAUGHTER) But I don't think you can... I don't have this... Can I have a... I think Kelly knows he's not first choice, if Ward's... Yeah. He's played both... Four-beck positions when he's out of position both times. But let's face it. He's a professional footballer. He's going to do his job. And he's a really good defender. I think the reason we notice Kelly is because he's not flying by in it. Because he's not... If he's on the left four-back, he doesn't go forward the way Ward does. If he's on the other side, he doesn't go forward a little bit. They're sorry, he does. But he's a very good defender. He's done a really good job. He's done a really good job for us. It's kind of a really good job for us. Yeah, dependable. Scott Downs celebrated. I'm sure Kelly celebrated in the dressing room. I think that's a very fair point. Good question. Good question from Peter there. The next question comes from James Melody. Hi, James. Good name. He says, "My brother and I were both born in Mayday Hospital. I have always supported my..." Hold on for surviving this long, then. I have always supported my local team. But for some strange reason, he decided to support Liverpool. What should I say to him? For today, he just jumped up and down, waving two fingers at him. (LAUGHTER) Hopping from foot to foot. Well, finally, I'll go out. Now it's been 30 years after I decided to do it again. But would you probably start talking again? I'm sure his brother's got some make-up emotional reason for supporting. And they always have a nature. But he's made the wrong choice. He has this year. Yeah, over the years. Over the last 30 years. Yeah, maybe not. If you go to average it out over the next 30 years. (LAUGHTER) Yeah. But it's nice that James is having, because I'm sure, for most of the children growing up together. Yeah. It's pretty tough. So we feel key James. Absolutely. We know what it feels like. In general, I never understand people not supporting the local team. But you can kind of, if you're a kid growing up in the 80s, we didn't really give... There wasn't much else. We didn't give Palace a lot of reason. But the mystery is why somebody bought in Halifax and did not support him. But also, exactly. We've been through this a lot. We've been through this a lot. But you also get people from outside Croydon. I was at the game yesterday and they were the Irish Palace fans. Yeah, yeah. There was a big honor in the other lads were there. Yeah. And they were obviously not too far away from Dublin. Yeah. They made the effort to come through. Yeah, absolutely. It's flipped. Yeah, yeah. And the longer we stay in the Premier League, the more we will get fans from. Yeah. Just crawling. Yeah. No. He'd embrace it. He'd embrace it. Right. Trafford. The next question comes from Hannah Lockett. Hi, Hannah. Hi, Hannah. This one's for Kevin. She says, "Hannah times all Kevin quote "demo" as he appears to have... What I'm doing, it's a very good question. As he appears to have a lot of love for the great man, as we all do. We were wondering if he would like to join the Damien Delaney Appreciation Society for the more mature woman formed by me and Betty in the mainstand." You talk about me joining it or Damien joining it? Oh, happily joining. I think you... I think you... Hannah and Betty crop up regularly and I suppose names my generation. The reason I mentioned David Delaney quite a lot is it's a broadcasting trip. I'm just adding gravitate. I'm adding... This is reminding new listeners, didn't we? It's good. That we have access to... It's almost advertised, you've made it. Yeah, but also sometimes if he did say something that's germane to our conversation, look it up again, JD. Yeah. Wasn't he even flat on the con? No, he used to play for Spurs. Okay. Then why would you not... Why would you not listen to it? Yeah, I think it's just a little reminder that H.O.L. keep going without Steve Post. We had a proper palace legend on our podcast. Are the podcast... Yes, I will happily join. There is another one. Oh, there's a new one now, isn't there? Yeah. Which you went on? I did, yes. It was great. It's three mature people talking about things in London. Imagine that. Yes, I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there, I'm Betty. Good. He's in. Good. No, I'm there. Right, moving on swiftly. The next question is from Simon King. Hi Simon. Simon says, "If palace were a restaurant chain, what would they be?" Oh, very good. Good question. Why did you never give us notice of this? I would, because we're clever off the cuff. Yeah, come on. It's just buying time. I would say we're... I'd go nandos. Would you? Yeah, I'd sort of slow start, but we'd gradually getting there more and more people notice us more and more. We'll get you into more. Get more popular slowly. Get more popular. Especially in South London. Yeah, it's obviously chicken, isn't it? So if we go and chicken, we'd have to go on maulers. Oh, yeah. Because it's earth, it's downer worth, and they're everywhere, and it just tastes better and better the more you're drunk. I've never tasted palace, but you're right. Well, you are tasting success right now. We are, but nandos have got a few more flicks and tricks, I think. Oh, they have, yeah. Nandos are like maulers, but with the lassi. And Portuguese. Yeah. And you get an ending supply of soda as well, don't you? You do. That's true. Yeah, you do. So you can just go in there and drink Coca-Cola all day. Yeah. Oh, are there other soft drinks available? Anyone else? It's true. Uh, probably the burrito place in Victoria Station. Why? Because I never seem to go there when I'm drunk. [laughter] Good. Okay. Good question. Very good question. We've missed that sort of question. We have, yeah. Well, we're going to pepper the pod now with them. Not too many. Nicely seasoned. So please do keep sending them in listeners, because we do like them to have them down then. Cliff Jones. Hi, Cliff. Cliff. He says, "Would you prefer to see Brighton gain promotions? We can play them in the Premier League next season. Or, like me, would you prefer them to fail miserably and preferably in the clouds?" Well, I think the second option, possibly. Or are they tail away and finish seven? I don't want to see it. I want to see Leicester tail away. More than I want to see Brighton at the moment. Oh, really? It's starting to annoy me a little bit. They will, though, won't they? Yeah. It's just a purple patch. It's a whole Leicester thing. It's starting to really annoy me. Yeah, Brighton, it's interesting, right? I hadn't really noticed. I don't mean this to sound patronising, even though it does. I hadn't really noticed how well they were doing, so I forgot the championship was still going on. But it's, I mean, yeah, good for them. Well done, little Brighton. Yeah, good for them. Pat, what pattern on the head? I don't want any risk that they could beat us in a football match, frankly. No, that's true. Because it could end up not sulling the memory of that playoff, because nothing ever could, because that would be the ultimate bragging rights for the rest of time, frankly. But any risk that the most recent result against them could be a Brighton, where I want to avoid any possibility of. The perfect rivalry, I think, always involves your rivals being a division or two below you, pretty much. Yeah. Having said that, beating them in the Premier League, I've learned also we should be looking, again, at teams we can finish above. Yeah, basically. Well, actually, we found this team, Palace, at the moment, we're doing that, aren't we? We are taking points off teams. We are. Yeah, we should. Yeah. Maybe Leicester was what we didn't, but... I would rather... I would rather... Leicester were top 14. That's true. Yeah, that's true. And West Ham were top six. Jamie made a shout in the car on the way over. Not as usual shout in the car when I'm with it, but a different shout in the car. He thinks Leicester are going to finish bottom half. Yeah, I think they'll fall away. That's going to be a big fall away, like. It would be a big fall away, but yeah, I mean, they've already got... It took them to April to get 25 points last season. And I mean, that's off to them, but it just annoyed me. There's always a good list of some reasons. Really? They're very nothing. They're very non-stars. It's a script, aren't they? It's partly because of Lineker, I suppose, being so happy about it annoys me. But it's just they're getting a lot of... Getting a sort of love we should be getting, basically. Yeah. Which I think... Also, I don't think I'll just... Yeah. Well, do you think we don't get that love then? Do you think we're not getting the... No, we're not getting the Leicester love, are we? Well, probably because Lineker's not a Palace fan. If Lineker was a Palace fan, what would we be getting there? No, but we'd be getting the whole... You know what they're saying? Vardy. Well, it's because he's a Ford and an English. It's English. It's all that nonsense and work. Should we be getting more? Cos, actually, a party was asked that yourself at the game. Should we be getting more praise? Do we deserve more than we get? Well, I... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's a reaction to the fact that we're not plucky little Palace this season. I think we're just very solid. Yeah. The thing is, like, the top four team, the big, big teams, even Chelsea who are now in relegation for a bit, like the traditionally big four teams that they're always going to get the attention. You don't want to eat sort of plugs away like a Palace and like a Stoke. You just don't really get much attention. If you are having an exceptional season like a Leicester, because it's so sort of unusual and because it's breaking into that top four that they expect the likes of Chelsea to be in, that's always going to get more attention. But, you know, there's going to be plenty of teams where we are. We always stoke up. We've still... It's still pretty unusual. It's still pretty unusual. We're from the Premier League, which, if you look at our recent history, it's unprecedented. It's unbelievable. But we've reached a situation really where the people aren't that surprised when we draw, we may not at all go into... But we're also starting the season. We said we'd love Palace to kick on and get a bit higher than 10th, but get some shot results, beat the teams we should do. We're doing all that this season. We're doing everything that we hope to talk to you. We are, and also we're playing good football. That's exciting football. That's the thing I don't think we're getting enough praise for. It's like you talk about Stoke and West Brom. Maybe it's another example. West Brom, by all accounts, just went to Old Trafford and just clang on for as long as... Until they could see these inevitable first go on. We're not doing that. We're playing actually really exciting football. You probably would pay money to watch this. We're not doing it for 90 minutes, perhaps. But we are playing really exciting football. I don't think we're getting enough credit for that. But I think... What's slightly worrisome is I don't want us to start, assuming that we're going to go to Anfield and win, or we're going to draw mainly... I don't think we would. I mean, the first thing I looked at yesterday when I looked at the table was to see how far we were off to the bottom three. The bottom three, still. I don't think most parents' fans will still do that. And the answer is very encouraging quite a long way. Quite a long way. At 21 points. Yeah, to go. But off bottom three? No, to get up 40. To match the 40. I don't think I need to look at it, but... Yeah, we're already... What are we 15 points ahead of Villa? 40 points ahead of Villa? Something like that. We've got a different... It's hard to imagine Villa winning five more games. They've got five points. We've got 19. So it's a goal difference. It's already looking slightly wrong. You're looking very good. Okay. James was taking the phone call with the Brighton question. I want to see what he says. Oh, God. Oh, the question is... Would you ask Brian get promoted so we can play them in the Premier League or would you rather they fall away? I want them in the Premier League. I want to play them. I want to play them. I want to play them. I want to play them. I want to play them. I want to play them. He's only saying I want to beat them. No, I don't want to beat them. He loves a Brighton away. Come on, man. There's nothing better. It's nothing better than a great Derby. That tensions... We haven't had spines for a while, have we? It had spines for a while, have we? It had spines for a while. It had spines for the day. You build up, you build up, you build up, you build up. Give them a cup final when they get us in the third round. I'm fine with that. Leave it. If the God of the FA Cup is listening, by the way, could we have in the third round a really low-rank team at Sullis Park? Sullford. Just once. Oh, I want to beat Sullford. The BBC, the BBC love him with the Sullford. Oh, exactly. I want to beat them. I want to beat them about 10-0. So shut the BBC up. That's what I wanted. I want all my arse. I want all five of them on the bench looking so good. Yeah, looking really glum. Of course, you couldn't get a word out of the twat for 15 years. You wouldn't stop the show, would you? That's what I wanted. That's a great show. That's a great show. That's a great show. I get it. It's all out. God sold it now. Anyone at Sullis Park that we can put six bars. I just want to game where we're free to go. We're being charged. Just be in charge. Smashing four-pass chart on was pretty good, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. In their cup final. Anyway, this is the final question. Final question is from John Dodds. Hi, John. Hi, John. He says... Dodgy. Dodgy. After yesterday, what was the favorite away win for each of us? He said his was whatever. Yep. His was probably Manny Nighted in 1899. It's got to be the Brian away playoff for me. Yeah. The Manny Night was out. He did bright his career on that one. He said bright, he got two apparently. Oh, that's a good... I think... You've got to be in it as well. I can't be in it. Yeah, no. I think for me, probably beating Wimbledon in the last game at Plowlane. Well, Ian Wright's falling. Ian Wright's falling. Oh, that's strong. I think that's strong. Just because it just ruined the ungrateful. I just... For me, that's a good question. For me, probably... For me, probably... I think that was a good report away, 2001. Yeah, doogies. That was good. I think that was very... No, no, no. The game I mentioned earlier when we'd be looking to one, Jeff Thomas and Gabby Dee, just because it was such a good day and we... The famous cut, we had some, them all away for it. It was a really good journey up and back, but that's a good question. Good question. Very good question. Yeah, it's kind of... Oh! Away from home. It could be one of the playoffs. It's not strictly away from home, but it is away from home. The journey to Fulham was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. Didn't win, did we, but that was good. That was good. You know, it wasn't a victory, but when we went to Hillsborough a few years ago, the whole four or five years, it felt like a victory. And it actually was a victory for the club, because I think if we lost that game, we might not be starting here now. Yeah. One day later, we were excellent. We had one away. We were two little down the road. Yeah, anyway, Kev, moving on. We were waiting for... No, we were two little down the road from the week before. And we said, if we win this, we'll get the rest of it. We got the rest of it. We'll treat ourselves. We got the rest of it. How's he on days, eh? No, not really. It's horrible. So, family's still like that. But we did win one deal. Oh, OK. So, all I remember is the barbed wire fence. In front of the away fence. Yeah. Those are the days. We're not the days. Right. That's a good question. But away goes. They're always that much more. They're always good, aren't they? Yeah. It's done really away from home. OK. Listen, thank you very much for your questions. They were great. In part three, we got a new feature. Ooh. So, join us in a bit. Hello listeners. Welcome back to the Five Year Plan podcast. Hooray! Hooray! Pod 156. Sponsored by JCIS, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com and vector printing for your printing board you need. Go to Vector.co.uk and let's vector with a K. As soon before, we'll just talk about that away games as we were. Yeah. It would have been lovely to think that there would probably be a little boy or a little girl in the first Palace away game, honestly. Strong. And in 10, 20 years' time there would be a podcast being asked. Yeah. It might be on their own podcast. Yeah. When we've moved into... One or two awards to win. Yeah. And we've all retired. Yeah. Kevin will still go on that one because he goes on every Palace podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The four. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is nice, I think. That'll be it, I must. (LAUGHTER) Right, as you can never tell, there's always a moment when it grabs you for the rest of your life, and it just... Yeah. I kind of... I'm trying to think of what mine was. I'll just look at the most. I actually got... JD in the most of watching their way. They had a little shot at their way fans last night. Yeah. That's brilliant. This is really... It was good. It was good. I got emotional at the end of 40 thinking I'm never going to go home. (LAUGHTER) Especially in the car with a sober JD and a not sober near the fish. Both of them were sober. Everyone was a scary, sober near the fish. Yeah, yeah. Everyone was sober. It was a sober bus. It was good. What went on then? I don't know. It's like the pry on the wheel. Cool. Right. It was a long journey. Yeah, it was a long journey. We've got a new feature that we're going to try out, and the feature is called "On This Day". Oh. Oh. So we're going to try it each week. So on Monday... (LAUGHTER) Well, you all hate work. On this day, right? Night... recording 9th November. I don't want to say "Happy Birthday" to Olive. Yeah. Happy Birthday, Olive. My daughter who's a Palestinian to get hold out of it since she was about 10. Yeah. And she's 17 today, so happy birthday, Olive. Happy Birthday, Olive. Have a great day. Ask Olive what her favourite away game is. Well, all of them, because she goes with that. She was one for Ticco and we went to Leeds. Well, don't leave. You went to Leeds. Yeah. And she went to the Lou and got locked to the toilet. And we're all leaving and didn't know where she was. And she was only about 10 or 11 years old. She had to climb over the girl's top out of the... Anyway. Are you in David Cameron? I know. I've left your daughter... You know, leave her up and didn't know where she was. Well, I think she's done for her somewhere. Anyway, it doesn't matter. She'll find her. She'll be right. She's a resource for you. She did. She did, yeah. It was in the North. She had just called her everyone. She just missed the first half. I was like, "It's very lost, isn't it?" We did lose. We did lose. Yeah, we did. But if I'm not very touched, you know, that's her thing that you and her... Go to where you came to go. It's lovely. Yeah. Watford was went to Watford with you. I think you drove us to Watford, JD. Possibly, did I? When we were selling t-shirts and got told by the police or something. Which I think is far more responsible than Lincoln and the public, and the bit and the juice you'd care and change. And we just moved about ten years down the road and just carried on selling them. Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. Great days. So, on this day, on this day in 2013... It's cool. So, not that far in the past... Two years ago. Palace played Everton in the Premier League. It was Keith Mullins' first game in charge after Holloway Gun and we drew Neil Neil. We did. I remember that. It was kind of the first game. And it was... We hit the bar, didn't we? We toured in. And we had about three points. So, we were four points. We had three points, I think, at the time. Because we'd beaten Sunderland. Yeah. And everybody said we were going down. Yeah. But that was the first game. Because everything went well, I think, at the time. And they just finished fifth, possibly. But that was the first game. I think we all came away thinking, "Oh, hang on. We actually could stay up, possibly, or we could do something." I don't think we thought... I don't think we were thinking we might not be humiliated. Yeah. I think we're thinking we might get more points of diving. I think that's what we're thinking. Yeah. But it was the first time you saw Palace that season play and think, "Oh, actually, we can..." In retrospect, it was the start of the next two years. Yeah. Yeah. It was culminating in there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, the journey it's been. It's been all of two years. I like the fact that J.D. picked for the first one of the future. He goes as far back as two years ago. Well... It was a good feature. It was a good feature. 105 years of Palace history, he goes back to... I was gonna go back. I was gonna go back to... Well... This is a runner. It works. It works. Nothing happened. I went to the shop. I bought a chomp. It was 23. I was pissed off. They used to be ten. It was a memorable chomp. Palace did nothing but man city. I bought some milk. You know what? There weren't that many games on November 9th going back. There was one from 2010 where we beat Watford. And Darren Emberg's Owen Garvin scored a couple. But I thought the Everton game was symbolic. No, no, no. It's a significant way. We are taking the making. And also, it reminds us how much we owe a debt to Keith Millen as well. Yes. But I think that game we had about... Because we played Arsenal. A few weeks later. When we had... Or was it before? Did we lose to Arsenal and drew... We lost to... Arsenal was Millen's first guy. Arsenal's right. And that's one we had in the first half. And then we had 17. And then we had hole. Yeah. And then Everton we played really well. Yeah. Because everyone was 17. And then that hole. Because I was in the hospital. The hole was out. And I got told off running up and down the corridor. Did you? Yeah. Because it wasn't appropriate. It was quite serious. But that hole was out. That was a... I mean that's fantastic. Dan, wouldn't it? If any of that had been on this day in November, Charlie. Well, that'll be this day. Well, next week. Wouldn't it? It'll be a week later. Well, let's just do 2013. Well, now I've even surprised them, will it? My little cat just walked past and looked in with a look and said, "Did you just pick two years ago?" Because two years ago, I was walking through that corridor. But two years. Two years is not. It is not that long. You could think back to under the previous regime. We had four or five seasons when nothing happened under Francis, whatever. Two years is not that far. And now we just come away from being Liverpool deservedly and filled. I don't think anyone would have predicted two years ago today on this day. We'd be Liverpool at Anfield under Francis. We'd still be in the Premier League, basically. What happens? I was just going, I was watching some FA Cup program yesterday and they were showing... Did they have soften in it? Things from the first round and they showed Wigan. And Wigan won the FA Cup like two years ago. Ben Watson. Ben Watson. Very much. But that was two years ago. And now they're languishing, what, in league one? Yeah. Yeah. You look at Leeds. You know, they look at Portsmouth. You know? And these all happened in like two or three years. So, we take the mikage head here, but I think you made a very good point. Well, also, not only have we done very well, we have stabilised as a club. Financially, everything. And all those clubs you mentioned, does indicate how it's not the B or the end of the Premier League. And we have discussed this in the past, mainly with one in it. But it... Do you mean the B out and end out? Yeah. Super well. But it is the place to be. And the fact is that once you're out of it, really difficult. And you look at... There's something made important about Bournemouth. You know, Bournemouth, God bless them, insisting on their attacking football. In the same way that Martíne has did with Wigan. But if it doesn't keep you up... Yeah. And see, as you say, see where Wigan are now. Yeah. And people might argue that they're at their natural level. But, you know, if you go down, then... Yeah. It's a real struggle for them to get back into Premier League and wouldn't... Yeah. I think we've... And if you talk about the future survival, that's the most important thing for any family span. It's lived through the last few years. Right. This two years, though, is the most... This two years is the most accelerated progress I think we've possibly had in a long, long time. Possibly ever in the club's history, you think about how far we've come and... I've had a lot of progress in the club. No. It is. Well, it doesn't feel like a one-off is what it does. I would... I was going back to say... Five years. I'd go back to... Well, I'd go back to that game at Hillsborough that I mentioned earlier. Yeah. Well, I think... But it's not this day. It's not this day that you've missed the point of the year. I'm going to surprise a whole point of the year. That's why he's hosting it and why you're just... That's why he's having big bucks from Vecta. So, five years ago, we did play Watford at home in the 2010, 2011 season. Yeah. And when we had the good start season, it fell away. Yeah. That's why he's lining his own pocket with embroidery and cossies. Quite literally. Literally three embroidery. It's over that new show. OK. Right. Let's round up. That's part of the jokes. That little hat. He's going to round off this. He's knitted hats and looks like a tea cozy. There's one of the new part which I think we can all agree it's been a massive success. It's been really, really good. I can't wait to see you. I can't wait to see you. So, where are we going to be in another two years? We're coming today. Sat here talking about what I'm doing in 2015. We'll go and sat around this table and just be a little... Well, nothing because there was no game. Is this a separate feature? Is this on that day? No. It's where we're going to be on that day. Yeah. Right. That's part of the... It's probably not money. It'd be a Wednesday, so... Well, Palace in two years, be as a club. Yeah, see, 25. Oh, good. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do. So, the difference between what you hope and what past experience... We're talking about Palace here. Paju could be in the manager next week and it will go really wrong. Palace's capacity for shooting themselves in the foot is legendary. So, I would hope that we would be... But it doesn't feel like we're doing that at the moment. It feels like we kind of... If it hasn't done in the past before we go on. That's the point of shooting. It's all been going along quite well, thank you very much. Yeah, it has. But... If we're sitting in the Premier League, I'll be highly delighted. Yeah, I would hope that Paju is still there. Because I think that's what we really need. It's a dinner still. Just five years of stability. Yeah. And I think Paju not only is a brilliant manager, but clearly off the pitch, he's really doing good things for the infrastructure. So, that's what I hope. I think all going well will be. I'm barring any massive disaster. I think the owners want to have Paju in for a while. He wants to be here. We want to try and build something really special. That's exactly what we need now. You know, the only sort of possible pothole. And it's not as if somebody comes in with too much money for the owners to resist. I don't think they would sell to anyone. They don't think he's going to keep the club going on this stabilised way that we're going. I don't think they would... You know, we don't have to have money to talk to them. Well, we are saving up the money from Vector. So, you know, in two years time, we might have enough time. We might be able to get an ice cream each. Well, that'll be... Let's make that our ambition. And in two years time, the whole club is responsible for Vector. And we've got the... And J.C.I.S. And J.C.I.S. And J.C.I.S. Vector. They've got a stand each. Vector to me on the kit. And no impaling, so they'll get another company to put it on there. Right! Okay, that's the end of the... Good feature. Part 3 of 3, J.M. Part 4. We're going to go back to regular ways and look forward to next game, which is Sunderland at home. This is Doctor Who. We were two years in the future. Monday. Two weeks in the future. And that's a Monday as well, isn't it? That's a Monday as well. Oh! Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Join us in Part 4. Hello listeners, welcome back to Part 4 of the 5-year-pal podcast. Hey! Hey! It's Pollard 156, sponsored by J.C.I.S. the global research and brand consultancy from South London. Visit jc-is.com and try to make that a bit different. I'm leaving in the start of this pod, so there's a bit of realism that goes into our performance. Right, no game next week because it's international break, so there'll be no pod listeners next week. But we'll be back in two weeks time because Palace are playing Sunderland at home. And the lights. And let me offer you, you looked really astounded by Palace Club under the lights. I love evening games. They're good, aren't they? Midweek evening games in winter. I love evening games in the winter, it's cold, it's a bit damp in the air. Well, hopefully it'll be cold. Well, it's going to be cold, isn't it? I've never been saying that since the first of October. Bloody weather. It was cold in Liverpool yesterday, very cold. Let me offer you this. Connor Wickham made his first appearance back for Palace on Sunday at Liverpool. He might start, possibly. Is it the perfect game against his former club for him to come back and start for Palace and get bang in the golden? Yeah, of course it is. Right, it's one of the great things happening football, isn't it? You just hold it, it's going to happen. In the same way that Glen Murray will score against it on Boxing Day. Yeah, I think we did say last week that it would be a lovely scenario, but we didn't think we could be anywhere near thick enough. So it was a real bonus. Yeah, it was a real cough. I wish we didn't have the week off because Ella and I have another week to work on Sunday. Have you said that? They are terrible. Dude, they look. Even in that new console match, where they somehow raced in. Somehow raced in. Jam out of the arena when they were awful and average. Ella dice, yes, they certainly rather looked a big amount already. Who did they play on the weekend? Southampton. Why not? It was a really bad penalty to go away. They should have been four or five down. We make ourselves a hostage to fortune by saying this, but they look like they're there for the taking. They've still got, I mean, I'm amazed he's not starting with Jermaine Defoe. I'm amazed that he should have started with him, but they've still got goals in them. But defensively they look like really, really could. It reminds me a bit like, do you want me to play QPR last season at home? Yeah. And they are on a similar kind of real downfall, looking terrible. Yeah. And sort of game where they can tell us when you think, well, either going to smash him or we're going to struggle or lose one now. And we did. We went from the off and we absolutely steed rolled them. Yeah. You kind of hope Palace do the same thing. Well, their defense is really, really, really poor. I mean, Newcastle will create a chance after chance after chance in that match against them in the Derby. But for some terrible finishing, should have easily, easily beaten them. But if we did go at them and go for the jugular, then their defense is slow, old and not very good. It's the same with Bournemouth on, certainly Bournemouth should have taken Newcastle apart. Newcastle's defense was awful and the keeper was brilliant. But I don't think he'll start with Wicom. No, I think he'll... Get on. No, I don't think... Because it's... I just think he'll start with the pace. I think he'll do the same thing he did against Liverpool. He'll go for them for the first 20 minutes. That's 20 minutes. And then maybe bring Wicom on as another option, because I think it's sort of... Wicom... And I'm not saying I would don't want him to play, but it slows it down a little bit. Because it takes time for the midfielders to join in with him. And I think the power play option is one he'll go for. I can't see them... I can't see them dealing with his pace. I can't see them dealing with any combination of Sacco. Do you... I'm glad you've forgotten about Gail. And of course, before the game, I was talking about Gail Liverpool. It didn't even need him in the end. Yeah, it's fantastic. Well, they were talking about what a brilliant player Gail was now. They've never been able to deal with him. I didn't even need him. I didn't even know his injured, to be honest. But I guess you'd rather have him start up front if he years back. I just think... I don't know about any combination of him plus the players you started on yesterday, basically. Because I just think... I just don't think they'll be out of court with that pace. And I think I'd get two of them up and then bring Wicom on to sort of give it a slow down another option. It'd be nice to get a very good comprehensive victory at home, wouldn't it? They're two centre backs are slow, but the proper old-fashioned centre backs. Wicom might be easier for them to deal with than... Because he's not going to be fully fit. So he might be a slightly easier option for them than the mobility of the... where they're from. Yeah, I mean, we also got to be very careful because... So we lose one. You know, this is the sort of game that now after our good results, the end of May and I deliver Paul, and we've been saying before, we are beating the teams, we should be beating this season. But on paper, there should be a routine victory for us. But we all know that no game in the Premier League is easy. Some will still have some very, very good players. And they are fighting for their life as well. Yeah, and just a dangerous kind of recipe. Yeah, and also I think she's very mum. Talk about bogeys. How did I say we're telling them all about our home record? Yeah. Because that must play on our players minds a little tiny bit as well. Because our record isn't good enough. I know we'd be west beyond that. And we've been playing good teams at such trouble. We should have beaten you know, I had to really. We should have beaten you know, I don't know. But we need to, our home record needs to improve. And we're playing two teams now will probably be in the bottom three by the time we get to them. So you would expect to beat them to sell as part. And there won't be that many sandal fans in a month, which is good on a Monday night. It's shocking that some of them come to sell as part. And then we have to go to them on a Tuesday. Yeah. Both games, I mean, that is insane. It's very unfair on all the fans. It's one of those home games. What a surprise. Yeah. But it is one of those games where you actually look forward to it in a proper, you know, man city, man, you know, it's brilliant. But you still at that sort of level where you think anything's bonus, but the next two home games you go into thinking we should be able to win these. And if we do. Yeah, we'll look very encouraging. We'll look. He's very, very encouraging. Yeah. Possibly our best start to a season. Certainly in top-flying. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we can come out of this with 25 points next to it, I mean, that would be. It's insane, isn't it? Yeah. It would be great, wouldn't it? That would be the one. On this day. On this day. On the day we've got 25 points in two games. Yeah. Amazing. We really turned the corner up that way. Oh, God. But it would do. I mean, it would do. It would be a bit. It would be a bit. It would be six points on the next two games. It would be fantastic. It would be fantastic. It would be fantastic. It would be fantastic. But it would be, yeah. And the whole style of season has almost been very good. No, to have 25 points after the next two games will be after like 40 points. But even if we are, we've had, if you look at oddly enough, as a look in our recent running, we've had some tricky games against tougher. And we're on a run where technically, because after that, we've got Everton, Stoke, Southampton. We've played all top picks. Well, yeah. Well, go on. We've got games coming up that you would think are winnable. Also, even if we don't, even if we get a point in next games or whatever, two points. I'm just trying to play Devos Abaca. Even if we're on 21 points, I'll have next two games. Oh, yeah. Still not. It's still a great time. Yeah, it is. As James said earlier, all to do with looking at the bottom three and getting into it. It is. It's all about that. Because Sunderland are a team that we need to finish above and if we get. Because we would be, well, 17 points in and whatever. Yeah. That's what? Yeah. Basically, if we beat Sunderland in the new castle, then you can't imagine them getting more points and that's for the rest of the season. Yeah. We talked about the forward line. Would you, the rest of the team, we stick with that, stick with Hennessy. Back for Wardy, possibly a fit in. But otherwise, it's all fairly picked itself, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But Ward, we know what his third back four is. Yeah. Unfortunately, for Kelly. As long as Suarez got his head glued back together after that, fairly horrible. Oh, yeah. He took me out of here. Yeah. He's getting damaged up. He's supporting, isn't he? Yeah, he did. Yeah. There's an issue with hoarding, because players and coaches apparently hate them. Because they're rock solid, those electronic ones. Otherwise, the old ones, you could have gone through them or whatever. Well, exactly. Because they're for TV, aren't they? Yeah. But the old paper ones, you could have not paper. Yeah. The card ones, yeah. You could have gone through. Yeah. At the back four, he'll start. It depends on whether Gail's fit. If Gail's not fit, I think you'll start with the same. Yeah. But also, last couple of games, you know, at a home Liverpool way, that midfield three are starting to really gel punch Cabayan McArthur. Second game in a row, the Cabayan punch. You've just switched a few times a punch to come deeper. As of Trio, it's actually really starting to gel, wasn't it? There was a moment. Yesterday, I can't remember. I think it led to a punching shot. But there was a little change between Cabayan punching. It was really good. It was a really good angle that punching made for the ball from Cabayan. Well, he spoke about punching starting the season relatively slowly in the house. But he now looks like he's starting to sort of share a bit more form again. And he's so important to us. So, you know, if he can continue that, then we'll start picking up more points. Going over the next four, five, six games. Well, let's hope we do. 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