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We shop, you save. Full details on example policies at select quote.com/commercials. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - And this is welcome to the five-year plan podcast. - Hey! - Pod 149. - Wow, nearly a big one. - Nearly a big 150. Which is worth listening to, I think it's got a very special guest. So then- - That's a bit presumptuous to me. - That's what it's saying next week is worth listening to. - This week, yeah. - Fair point, yeah. - Could be terrible next week. - What you said about this week is- - There might be a lot of pressure on you next week because it's 150 and you might crack under the pressure like you do. - Have I ever cracked under the pressure? - Yes. - Yes. (laughing) - Fair point. We are sponsored. Well, no, let's introduce our guest first. We've got Kevin Day back from Edinburgh. - Hey! - How are you? - Your Edinburgh show is very good. I'm sorry, I was saying that for cheap laugh, which it got- - You know your audience. - So they won't, they won't, they won't be listening to me. So your Edinburgh show is very good. - How was your show? - Kevin. - It's all right, it's very good. - Kevin, sorry. - Yeah, my show was very good. - And the most specific joke I've ever done, but Alan, we're all having a bath. - Okay. - Quite a bit. That's how you know there are palace fans in the show. And Ed came third and said you're thinking funny, so it was all a good time. - It was a good time. - It was a good time, yeah. - And it's really, what have you been up to? - I'll be up in a month, aren't I? - Good. - Some time is glowing. - Well yeah, I know I've got three more freckles, which is basically my version of a tan. (laughing) - I've been to Greece, that was very nice. - Well done, good. Well welcome to both of you. - It's the advantage of the terrible economic situation. - I own three ironers now. - Don't knock it. - What a lawyer thing to do with that. (laughing) - Well listen, welcome back, both of you to the podcast. - That's good to be back. - We've got sponsors. - Yeah, yeah. - In fact, actually, Kevin, since you've been away, we've got a new sponsor. - A new one. - Yeah. And they are JC Innovation and Strategy. Oh no, you were here actually when they did this. Anyway, JC Innovation and Strategy. JC Innovation and Strategy. The Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com. - Oh, there we go. - And of course, we've still got vector printing for all your print and embroidery needs, should you have any of those. And that's vector.co.uk, which is vector weather? - K, so you can research the globe for things to get embroidered. - Exactly. - With the podcast, we've covered both those. - There you go. - You're not doing the JC thing anymore? - Oh yeah, so in the last few weeks, we've been doing JC bigger than Jesus Christ, or what did we do last week? - I think, and this said something about Jarvis Cocker. - More, did we do more electable with that? - More cool, nice, more cool. What sort of language is that? Cooler than Jarvis Cocker, I think, and it's did. You've run out of JCs now. - We've basically run out of JCs, so. - We did the Corbin thing as well. - Very cool. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Julie Caesar? - Good. - More despotic than Julius Caesar. - Nice. - Let's go with that one this week, good. Anyway, let's crack on with, oh no, I must say actually, let's start with this. So we, it's award season in podcast land, and we might be up for an award if our listeners will vote for us. So we know our listeners to tweet the following, which is, I'm voting in @thefba's, which is football blogging awards, for @fipfanzine as the best football hashtag podcast. So there you go, bit wordy. - Wow, that was demeaning, wasn't it? - Well, the other thing is if people do that and tweet for us, then we might, you know, win. We might not. - I feel absolutely smaller. - Well, you're not getting the input up to the final show then? - There's no impression again, is it? - It's not far off here. - Yeah, yeah, I think it is, yeah. - Well, it wasn't actually impressed tonight. I thought it was impressed, it was actually a Manchester. - Oh! - The football history museum. - Oh yeah, which is supposed to be very good. - National football. - There you go. - Well, listeners, if you enjoy the pod, which we hope you do, why do you do that? - Well, next week, it's gonna be brilliant. - Exactly. - And maybe we'll wait 'til next week and then. We'll do it now, to get it out of the way. And then, obviously, next week, it's probably great anyway. If you could tweet that, we'd appreciate it. Anyway, that's all the admin out of the way for the start of the pod. Let's talk about Palace losing a title clash at home to Celeste, to Celeste. Two Man City at Celeste, one nil. Last minute goal, frustrating, wasn't it? Kevin, I mean, Palace deserved something from that. - Yes, I think we probably did. - It was interesting when the team was announced, I think there are sort of, well, no two of the changes had to be made, but they didn't seem to make much difference, to be perfectly honest. For Kellyanne Hangeland, both played very well. For Swire, they played very, very well. But it was kind of interesting, 'cause there was some talk beforehand, like, would he sort of go for an old-fashioned fuelist type, just pack the midfield, maybe being Jedi back, but pretty much decided to go for two four and just deal with the fact that they're better than us in midfield by just trying to attack them and defend where we had to, which I think for the most part, well, I thought MacArthur played really well. I think first half, in particular, we had a proper go at them. They had to, actually, it had to be very good to beat us, mate. I'm slightly worried about where the goals are going to come from, and I know a lot of people were still moaning about, and I don't know, Taylor made for Murray. I don't think it would have been really not to the pace and intensity that we attacked. So would have possibly, like, I've seen Sako play more central than he did. So it's kind of slightly confusing, the whirlwind of changes up from, but it's all right, it's encouraging, it's positive, but my big worry is the goalkeeper at the moment. - Really? - Yeah. I don't think a couple of people half mentioned it, the Norwich goal was his fault, the Chelsea goal was arguably his fault, and they talked on match of the day about our central fenders being slow to react to the parry, but it was a pretty feeble shot that he parried straight back out into the mix, which no one's really talked about. - That's interesting, 'cause, I mean, it's a lot perfectly savourable. Yeah, that's what was frustrating, is it wasn't really a proper chance. I mean, it's just a sort of half chance, half hit shot that he just... - Certainly compared to the chances they did have in the game, 'cause they had some very good ones. - Yeah, and we had a couple of good chances, but yeah, I mean, that was the annoying thing about it. - You know, I think McCarthy had a good game, 'cause it's the fact that he did make some good saves. - Well, you know, it's the opposite of the Cameron Jerome arguments. I don't care how many good saves he makes, if he makes one bad mistake. And the fact is, he got away with the one at Norwich, and he got away with the one at Chelsea, 'cause he's positioning at Chelsea, he's beating on the near post at Chelsea, from outside the near post, which shouldn't have happened. The Norwich one was a pretty feeble Daisy cutter shot, which he couldn't get down to, and he can be as good as he likes, but it's a little bit like, reminds me a little bit of Julian, when he first came in all those years ago, when he looked like a half-decent keeper, but he made mistakes every game. And at the moment, I think he's a debate to be had as to why Hennessy's not starting in McCarthy, 'cause to me, to me, looks like a very good championship goalkeeper at the moment, and not a Premier League goalkeeper. - I think it was really interesting to say that, 'cause a lot of people have been staying the opposite, and saying that they think McCarthy's been very, very solid, and that now tools is back, or he's certainly played in a reserve softly, but he won't get his spot, what do you think? And do you think that he has been at fault for gold? - I certainly thought with the Norwich one, his footwork wasn't quite enough. I think he got some criticism for the Arsenal goal, which I thought was slightly ludicrous, and had a few bears and told a few people that I thought they were being slightly ludicrous, like media that accused him of being at fault for that one. I think, yeah, the Chelsea one will be a great header from Foul Cow and great movement. Perhaps wasn't as alert as near post as he should have been. I'm still not sure about the one from Saturday. Again, I got a bit drunk on Greek bear and told people they're talking nonsense for blaming him. You watch it again, I mean, it's shot across him from a fairly acute angle. I mean, it's not like he can really push it further away, 'cause of where his feet are, his starting position was okay. I mean, some people would say, maybe he should have strong enough arms to sort of hold it from that position. It's quite late on in the game, you know, tightness does start to sit in. Doesn't look to me like he is bringing out any nervousness in the defense that are in front of him at the moment. And he does sort of command himself around the box in a way that I quite like. But I think it's going to be one of those things that inevitably, because he's new, and he's in a role where you had an incumbent who has been at the club for 10 years and is a massive fan favorite, and a second choice for those who don't rate you and they all seem to love Wayne Hennessy, and is one of those players who's been widely heralded as one of the guys who either would come in this season, or who should have come in last season and has a number of applause despite having not played a huge amount for Palace. It's probably not surprising that there's going to be a huge amount of emphasis on how McCarthy plays and the sort of micro analysis you get of every single shot and every single decision. And I've not thought that any of them have been clangers at all. I mean, Norwich won, I thought was poor. And yeah, perhaps, you know, a sharp world-class goalkeeper in the sort of early stages of a match holds onto the shot on, was it from Nasri? - Yeah, he did hold on to... - Well, there's stronger shots. It is micro analysis, and if you like, I'm looking for things to criticise, because otherwise it's going to be a short pod. But I think, you know, everyone's talking about, from Steve Parrish now, and everyone's talking about new levels of professionalism, because we've moved up a degree within the Premier League. We're looking at a club all round, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, that's, for me, that was... I thought it was his fault. I don't think there's no point Pussy's thought about it. He had a really good performance, but, you know, to criticise in the central defenders for not reacting quickly is one thing, but they shouldn't really... Maybe it's a credit to him. They didn't expect him to parry it back. But he parried it... It wasn't a thunderbolt, you know, it came for a player's beat. He did parry it straight back into the mix. I mean, in question mark, as well, whether or not they should have allowed Nasri to get a shot away. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fact is, as well, we're talking... We're talking borderline issues and decisions in a game against the team that costs, however, hundreds of millions to put together. And I think that a guard in summed it up today, the man city had to be very, very good to beat us. And, you know, the league table doesn't lie, we're not... It's not like even last year, when we beat them, it'd sell us under parry, it was kind of... It was overlooked really, it's back to the wall. I mean, they bad us for a lot of that game. Season before when Peele has tried to sort of match him in midfield, they were just at their best. And that was when Toure was arguably the best player in the Premier League, and we couldn't get near them. We more than got near them, we matched them. They had to play very, very well, that had to be very physical to beat us. We had to go as well, we were positive, we tried to score goals against them. And the fact is, we lost 1-0 at home to a really, really good team, lively Champions League contenders. And it's a measure of how far we've improved that we're disappointed by it. - Definitely. - By that. And the overriding feeling afterwards, there was disappointment. - Because of what we could have got. - Because the performance had been, as I say, really, really good. I thought Hanglan came in and played really well. I thought Kelly came in and played really well, because I was sitting along the side for the first time, so I saw Swirey. I thought Swirey was great. - He's brilliant now. - I thought going forward he was really good, but defensively, he's just so much stronger than he was at the second part of last season. There's so much more tactically aware. I thought he looked... I'm still slightly worried about the lack of cover. I'd still... For him, well, it's sent him back hand-right, but I still think... You haven't really got a left-back cover, have you, Bob and Kelly, really? - Well, Mari Appa. - Well, Mari Appa. I mean, if the thing is one more injury, and you'd be looking at Mari Appa, and then what? There's no other options, basically, is it? Well, that's what we're worried about, we'll see, then that Dan may be getting injured. And again, so then we should point out that we nearly beat more. We need got a point against Man City, with two of our first two... And with both striker. - And with both striker. - And with Adam with no striker. - Starting. Just on McCarthy, before we move on, what would you guys do? Would you keep him in? Would you bring him in? - What was that? - I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit, because I was just surprised that nobody made more of it, because I thought it was his error, and it wasn't... It's not the first one this season, but clearly... I mean, part of you, from what I can gather, made a real big effort. I'm not sure what Hennessy thought about that, but he made a big effort to get him. So clearly, I don't think Julian coming back fixed, going to make a difference. I mean, McCarthy's our first two ask people, and then it's just a question of who's on the bench. Well, it was rumours that Hennessy going wasn't there in the summer, so... Well, and the thing is, we've said it before, but it's now what? Four managers in a row, if you want to include Keith Menon in there. Yeah. - Who haven't picked him, you know? Or who've only ever used them on very much a bit part basis, and we spoke a few weeks back about it being almost the sort of Matt Parsons syndrome that the longer a player is out of the team, the more he becomes sort of... The panacea to every single ill in that position. And I think you're probably looking at the fact that McCarthy is still getting used to playing week in week out at that level. I mean, I've been sufficiently impressed with some of the stuff, obviously. Yeah, there will be tiny errors with sort of footwork and positioning and handling from time to time, but I've been quite impressed with the vast majority of what I've seen from it. Errors when you're a keeper, they get magnified because they need to go. Yeah, absolutely. Given the nature of when the error occurred. Exactly. But the thing with Hennessy, I think it would be different for Hennessy if Mark Hughes was saying to him, "You need to be playing week in week out that clearly is Wales' first-choice keeper." I mean, that might be different when it comes to actually the actual time. We could probably point out he has played very well for Wales and kept a lot of clean fees. Is it different level? Is it harsh to compare that into Premier League Park? I think you'll get a lot of tweets from Welsh people. You would argue that Wales vs. Andorra, or whatever of it, isn't Premier League standard. But what I'm saying is that Hughes is obviously clearly happy enough with his sharpness and his fitness. It's not to be a massive issue for Hennessy, but I'm sure Hennessy is disappointed. But I think it's a good point in the street, mate. Since he came two seasons ago, I think week in week out, we've been predicting that he'll be the first-choice keeper next week. And like you say, four consecutive managers now haven't made themselves. I should also point out as well that the second-choice goalkeeper of Wales is me. That few goalkeepers in Wales have actually been called up 17 times. I've seen you playing goal, and that would not be good for Wales. Even when he was away in Greece, it was still... Yeah, by the way, I mean, it's the same that they are, Nipi. I thought McArthur was really good. Yeah, on Saturday. Cabay still, I think, hasn't had a full 90 minutes for you to go. He's brilliant for the whole... I mean, there's a couple of things he did. There was one bit. He won a tackle and did a little job of him, which was brilliant. But at the moment, I don't think things are not quite coming together. We're not quite seeing the player. We know he will be. Do you feel like he's setting a bit more into the role? I think it does a little bit. And also, I think as well, it's because we kind of... You know, part of you does play different systems week in week out. So I think Cabay is probably getting used to that. It's not kind of not got the same player in front of him two games running, basically. And you kind of thought, "I thought Cabay was a bit more happy when Gail came on." Because he had suddenly had a more obvious pass to him. But it's not... Cabay's playing well enough, but it haven't quite seen what he's been doing. Do we like him playing here? Because probably he's been persisting with him in the deeper position. We haven't seen him really further forward yet. I think we did in the Norwich game for a little bit. But do we like to be before him deeper or anything? He tended to play deeper for new castle and he has done generally throughout his career. I mean, I know people look at him and go, "Yeah, he's a great technical player. He's not sort of further up where given that he's scored goals and he's great with his pieces and has an eye for a pass and has the ability to sort of change direction very quickly. Why is he not further forward?" You know, query whether or not he would be able to sort of make an impact on that role. You would have thought that someone of his obvious ability would. But we've got about a million number 10s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to throw another one into the mix, really. I mean, I questioned it a few weeks back. I said that the mix in the midfield didn't necessarily look right to me. I said, at the time, I didn't know whether it was the fact that him and MacArthur were too similar or whether it was betting in there and getting used to each other. It looks more like it was me being completely wrong and it was the betting in period rather than the fact that they're incompatible with each other. I think they're now starting to look like they certainly did at the Chelsea match, obviously, Kevin and I didn't speak after because we weren't on the pod. But, you know, they looked very dynamic and mobile and that match gave them more than a match for a quite physical Chelsea midfield when they got a match in there, when Michael came on low in the match. And obviously, you know, Man City have Yayotura in the middle, who is physically very, very imposing and they weren't edged out of the game by him at all, so physically, you know, that they were more than a match for him in terms of sort of aggression and sort of will to impose a physicality upon the game, this might have been smaller. So, I mean, I've thought, you know, that they're starting to come together a bit more. And Paju did say, and, yeah, it turns out quite often since he took over that he does tend to be right more often than we are. But he did say there were slight issues with Kebai's fitness because he hadn't played that much for PSG and he wasn't that sharp. And he said it would take probably ten games he said before he saw. And I think, I think, sadly, it was the first time he started to look like the sort of planner because he liked the streets physically. I thought he was, I mean, McArthur and Kebai didn't take her backward step in midfield. And McArthur especially was just, I thought that was one of the better games he's had. And McArthur, it was noticeable that McArthur was the one who went forward more than Kebai did all they let Panchin. Panchin's kind of, you know, a strange sort of floating around. Didn't really have a position, did he? He didn't really, that was kind of odd. I mean, I know they were sort of rotating Sacco and Yannick from the left and into the middle, but Panchin seems sort of slightly flighty a bit. It's weird he's been playing out wide recently in recent games and looked quite good and actually looked better than when he'd been in the middle of the week, in the last season, we all agreed he's more central. But getting that comes back to the whole thing about the Kebai, and I don't think I've done the Protestants. The Kebai thing was odd for me, it's brilliant. I'm really pleased that we bought him. But there were plenty of other options there. I mean, you kind of, I'd be more pleased that we'd bought another centre back. Or Kebai looked, it looked to me the sort of signing that the club was saying, look, we're a bigger club now, have a bigger signing. That will keep you happy without necessarily really thinking where he was going to play and how it's going to impact on other players. But I mean, I'm really pleased that Yannick also I think it's noticeable that it's interesting, he's got a downside that the reason he's stayed was because we signed Kebai. And made MacArthur find a five-year deal as well? Yeah, but I think MacArthur and Kebai really do have the makings of it. But I think Kebai, maybe slightly less creative than we thought he was going to be. There's also physically much bigger than I thought he was going to be as well. He's also that side of his game, the physical side, and not something that I'd really appreciate it. But he's very good, he's willing to get stuck in and track back in it. Well, I'd heard Newcastle fans say, he doesn't mind a tackle. But I thought that meant in that kind of lightweight throwing himself into tackles that he shouldn't do. But he came properly, certainly, sadly, he was properly mixing it with, and the city was very, very physical. For all, I was really quite cross with Pellegrini and a couple of friends of mine are city fans afterwards because for all, you know, they had more yellow cards than we did. And for all, Dan's tackle was a bad tackle, there's no way around it. It was late. It wasn't malicious. He's studded on it. He just got done for pace and intelligence. But Yara Torres was a shocking tackle. - So it was Mangala? - So it was Mangala. Torres was, I was really close to that. That was a straight red and a half. That was a poor challenge. That was malicious. - Can you get those now? - We should be in half of that. - Retrospectively. So that was like Pellegrini didn't seem fit to mention that. And also Pellegrini talking afterwards about Pardu contesting every decision. That was right behind a dugout. Pellegrini didn't stop once did he stop having to go. And if he wasn't having to go, he was telling Brian could still have a go. - Well, that manages prerogative. - Yeah, that's fine. But don't afterwards say I'm the only one Pardu. - Oh yeah, that's fine. - Pardu, I thought, was noticeably quite. Pardu spent a lot of time looking at his notebook and not making eye contact. - I don't know, I'd say it's a good thing, personally, because I thought that, you know, you look at the whole thing with Martinez and Merino wasn't there over the weekend. And Martinez said, well, last time when they beat our 6-3, Merino was, you know, all sort of lightness and grace with me and was very gracious in the interview after the game. And this time when we beaten them, he's being particularly cantankerous and difficult and blah, blah, blah. Same with Pellegrini, you know, he whinged after the loss to us at Cellar's last season. It's taken a last-minute winner from sort of an 18-year-old, nobody, and a match in which they've been in a real toss on a battle with Palace. And where he's seen his probably his best strike, well, easily his best strike and one of his best players sort of hobble off. I mean, he knows that he's been in a bit of a war there. So, I mean, it's probably only natural that after that he's going to come out and share a little bit of, you know, the usual sort of rhetoric. Because otherwise, how else you can deflect from the fact that you've taken a last-minute winner from an 18-year-old when you spent, you know, 200 million quid over the summer to beat little old Palace, you know? I took it as quite a positive sign. I thought if you're a believer in conspiracy theories, I thought they were trying to warn Pajac because Pajac was on several warnings, isn't he, from his zed that well-publicized lap with Pellegrini before. I thought Pajac was, well, not after the Toure tackle, but for the most part, I thought Pajac tried not to get involved in too much stuff with Pellegrini because they were winding him up. Yeah, well, and they shook hands, didn't they? Yeah, that was where afterwards they made a point to make up for it. But surely it's an indication that you've got under city's skin. Yeah, you've done exactly the job that you want. Oh, we do. You could see that in the first half. You could see they weren't happy with the physical approach. We were matching their physical approach. We didn't set out to try to impose ourselves on them because we couldn't do that. We didn't have the numbers immediately to do that. We know Pellegrini particularly over the physical team. We're a competitive team, no more so than any other team. We are getting bigger though, which is good to see. I think we're all so high. It turns around new players and stuff. Yeah, just in terms of you look at our back for Suarez, not Toolbase, Stroll. Stacked, yeah. And Kelly's big, and Sacco is, that was always a massive three, four years ago. The amount of times we used to talk about away games where we'd get muscle out of it in championship games, and that's not happening anymore. No, we've got Yarl as a beast, so let's go back to tackle. So down on Aguero, not a red. It's very cynical, but it's a yellow, it's not a dangerous play. I don't think it was even cynical. Do you think he knew what was happening and just took one for the team? No, I think he just got out smart and I just think Aguero was too quick for him. I think he didn't expect Aguero to have gotten that. I think he'd put the tackle in, got the old cliche, got there as quickly as he could, and wasn't quick enough. And just wasn't quick enough. It was a foul, but it was on the tomb pad and it was the studs weren't up, and it was definitely yellow. There's no way that was a red. We're like the city ones, because Toolbase was for me. I didn't see the mangal. But because the ref didn't give the red for Dan, he's not going to give it up. I don't think there had been, the other thing I was disappointed about was my friend of mine, his man City fan. It's quite so straight away. So I really disappointed with Palace fans because they booed Aguero. I said, "One of it was a booing him, nothing. A booing the rest of the city team were trying to get Dan sent off." Because they turned it into an issue. Immediately Aguero was out unconscious for four seconds before looking up and brandishing the imaginary card. Toolray was around the ref. The other was around the ref waiting card. So I don't think anybody else would have thought it was anything up in the yellow card until City got involved. And so I said, "I was more disappointed." City had started to show that sort of united sense of entitlement. City doesn't seem to like it anymore in teams. But that's going to happen when you've got a temerity to stand up and play again. But the toolray one was malicious. I mean, the ball was going nowhere. It was on the touchline. One, if not both, feet were off the ground. That could have really hurt MacArthur. And what about the Mangala one? Because that again, I didn't want to see him flip his ankle as he was... If I'm honest, I thought all three of them were yellowies. I think the rashes to one is probably two or eight. But I mean, having watched it back a few times today and having watched it at the time, obviously, he's coming from the side. His feet are slightly off the floor, but they're coming down. As he comes through him, I think the feet are more or less grounded. Like, the studs aren't fully up. He did come a long way. And he's a very big man. And so when you see him, MacArthur's quite a bit smaller. So when you see a guy like that wipe out MacArthur, it was a yellow card all day. I didn't think any of them were dangerous enough to warrant a red. Well, possibly. If you talk about intent, I think there's more intent on to a race tackle with hurt. MacArthur and the one on Dan. I think that's probably right. And I think I've watched back the Dan and Aguero on quite a few times as well. And it just seems to me that it's one of those where it's sort of the combination of him being knocked off balance within landing quite badly. On the leg that's been injured. He's not gone in with his studs yet. It's clipped him not too far below the knee. But it's one of those where you got him with the laces of the boot rather than with the studs. It's not dangerous. To be fair, do you have a way around? We've been very upset. But I think the other thing that annoyed us, I tried to say to my city friend, the other thing that annoyed Palace fans was that Aguero seemed to be all right. But then he decided to stop the game. He went down and basically the city players stopped playing. They didn't wait for the ref to stop the game. It's like Zach kind of getting that arrogance. So that's, I think, but the booing was more to do with the rest of the city players. And actually booing Aguero. But even if it was, I don't care. I don't even remember booing. I didn't. It wasn't all around the ground. But I don't know. It's a football match. It's a pandemic, isn't it? I was delighted to see him go off personally. Oh yeah, so yeah. I was too. I was too. I was too because I benched him for my fantasy team out of loyalty against Palace. And that's paid off massively. A lot of football football. It's a lot of football. Well, modern football, the local school was number 72. It's a squad number. 72 on the back of his shirt. OK, I don't think, I think Pelly Green forgot what he was there. Lazyly. I've never heard of that guy. But he, fair play. It's good to go. Looked around when he came on. Let's just round off by talking about Gail then. Because if you are the right girl, you're probably going to be a bit annoyed that Palace have gone with no striker when you are on the bench. Did he do all right when he came on? And should he have scored that chance at the end? Well, I want to talk first of all about the whole sack or ballacy thing up front. And I just think fundamentally it's obviously it was limited on Saturday by the options. Yeah, we would be playing Conor Wickham up there where he fit. And he's not fit. Well, he wasn't fit for that match. I don't know if he's going to be fit for Tottenham on Sunday. But in his absence, I mean, I just don't really think that the ballacy thing can work really. He's just a bit too direct. And he's not quite canny enough with his use of the ball. And he's bringing other people into play to be able to play that central role. I'd say probably the same as Sako to be honest though. Even though I've already embarrassed myself once in reference to Sako this season. I'll say in terms of him playing in that very, very central forward role, I just don't see him having the ball retention ability or the passability or sort of knowledge of where runs are going. Like he's great at beating a man. He's very physical and he's clearly a very good finisher. But he's not going to play the sort of Wickham role. So I think Paji probably needs to have a think about what he's going to do when Wickham's not available. I wondered, because we had this chat before and after, I just wondered with the pace that we tried to play, whether he would have started to work in any way with it. Because I thought it was quite, especially the first 25-30 minutes. It was quite exciting the way we got the ball. You mean start again? No, I just thought the way we started. I thought that maybe something that Paji had thought about anyway, because it was like that maybe he thought that trying to grow the ball into a central striker was back to goal, would slow everything down. And they were so big at the back. They've got two really good central defenders. They're really a good screen that maybe he thought the best way forward was to get the ball in the box as quickly as possible and run at them. And run at them, either with the early crosses or just to run at them and then sort of rotate who was in the box at any given time. But it didn't quite come off. But I don't think people said I would have married been there. That would have made a difference. It would have changed the way we played entirely, I think. And I think Paji almost was happy to sort of not get involved in the midfield battle and to get the ball, because we were far more direct than we have been for a long time. And I thought there were times in the first half where I thought they struggled to cope. The other big question of course is where is Banford? I don't know. Didn't he engage? Yeah, I didn't get in the match. But no, which is slightly odd. Well, I thought it was a slightly odd signing to be perfectly. Well, I thought Wickham was the odd signing after we got Banford. I think, to be honest, if you're in Crystal Palace's position, that the sort of player that you're going to get to improve your squad is probably not going to be a lone offshoot of someone who's above you in the league. Like if you just come up into the Premier League and you're a born with, for example, I don't mean that particularly disparagingly towards born with and no disrespect intended at all. But the sort of player who's going to improve our squad now is not intended to be employed. Okay, well, I will say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, the sort of player who's going to improve our squad now is not going to be a scenario who hasn't played at Premier League level. It's not going to be a Banford who's only, you know, had one season at championship level. It's going to be either somebody who comes in from abroad who has already a little bit of pedigree or something about them or is performed in a foreign league, but is relatively cheap by Premier League standards, or it's going to be a proven Premier League player. And in some ways, I just found it a slightly strange sign. And because of that, he might, you know, he might prove me completely wrong. There's so many people having the path. But it still seemed like a slightly bizarre one, particularly given how committed he seems to be to the idea of being a successful Chelsea player in the very near future. But you don't, I mean, maybe we're doing a favor to Mourinho, because quite clearly he seems to like Palace. But I don't think you can argue that Wickham is that much better than Banford in terms of what they've achieved in terms of Premier League record. And we paid 10 million quid for Wickham. Again, I think Wickham will be a good player, but it just in terms of looking at his stats. But I mean, he's played quite a lot at Premier League level. I think that's the only thing I've scored any goals at Premier League level. But he's been played out wide, fundamentally, by Sunderland a lot. He's shown in glimpse that he can. He's shown glimpse that he can, I think. It's going to take Banford quite a lot of time. Even, I'm not just talking in terms of like the goal return. And admittedly, when you look at, you know, Wickham's goal return, even if you don't want to take into account the caveat of where he's been played by Sunderland, yeah, it's not that impressive. But sort of the experience of playing that sort of pace of football and that speed of football is I think just so fundamentally different to playing at championship level. And you notice if you watch like a match at championship level and a match at Premier League level, just how much quicker the teams are in sort of transitions when they lose the ball, sort of in terms of going forward and attacking in sort of the speed of which they get into the forwards and so on and so forth. It's not just the pace of the players. It's actually the pace of the game. And some of that comes down to speed of thought effectively. And I mean, that's why I found the Banford thing incredibly strange because it's a guy who's made his Premier League debut with Palace rather than with Chelsea. I think that's right, isn't it? Yep, yeah. Again, it was in the Arsenal match. Made his Premier League debut with Palace. And it's unless he is an utterly remarkable player and truly, you know, outstanding talent, he's probably not going to hit the ground running. So he's going to be betting in with Palace rather than with Chelsea. And if you get any return from it, it's probably not going to be this side of Christmas. Which for a player who, you know, you had a pool of strikers of what? Four of them really. And well, sorry, it was five now down to four if you want to include Shamak in that number with Gail and the two others Banford and Wickham. And Campbell? And Campbell, yeah. I had forgotten about him. He was on the bench. Well, I mean, for him to be considered a head of Banford, maybe sort of speaks volumes. I know that, well, again, that might come down to the fact that he didn't want to play that sort of, I don't know. But yeah, again, there were some crosses coming in. If Banford was on the end of that one, the punching got his head on the possibility. Where does it go? The answer to the Gail question, I think, is that I'm really pleased we kept Gail. And I still, you know, clearly again, it comes back to that successive managers haven't trusted him enough to start him, but I think he deserves a chance. But I mean, that chance, I mean, that was a tricky chance. But we've talked about this quite a lot in the past two or three seasons. If we're not creating that many chances against the team like the team, you've got to take them when they, when they. So I was fairly encouraged by that. I thought we'd created a good few opportunities rather than chances. Well, I mean, we tested Johar a good few times. I mean, there was the great save in the second half from, was it punches head on? Punches head on, you know, we, yeah, we've not, our finishing wasn't great that day. Arguably, she'd have had a penalty in the first half anyway. Foul on goodbye. Foul on, yeah, definitely. Which very much that I've penalty, you don't have too much. You got the ref because it was pretty crowded. Yeah. Also very, very quick. It came at the end of a sort of six and two threes. They were both tussling and then, but that was it. Yeah, could it be a fail? It was a fail, but you could easily have blown for a fail against him. Before him, but I, you know, it's just like still, when, when something like the foe is the way, the way you kind of think, you know, would, just that striker, we would take that one. But then there's so few, so few of them in our price range in that division, because we're, you know, we're, it's, it's brilliant that we can afford goodbye, but you look at the players that are coming off the city. Yeah. You brought in 45 million quid coming on. Even the youngster, you know, yeah. I mean, the, the alternative. But go, I'm, I'm pleased go was there as an option, though. Yeah. Which one of, one of, one of the few sort of strikers that would have probably fit into that and that we were interested in, not that long ago, was gaming, but he would have, you know, he would have, would have ended up breaking the bank to, to get him in. I mean, yeah, players like the foe are brilliant finishes like Galitz, but you know, you look at what Sunderland paid for Defoe and what they're paying every week and how they've tried to shoehorn him into that shoe shoe horn. Yeah. Shoe horn him into that team and an album of the league because they just looked like, well, it's not entirely because of that. And I think it'd be a bit unfair to blame it on Jermaine Defoe. Well, I figured there was a very dysfunctional scene. Yesterday was the first time we started actually up front rather than wide on the left. Yeah, where I'm playing in wide, like, so, you know, I think we, if we wanted to fit to why Galin's the same, we've sort of said this before. He'd end up having to play out wide and he's just not quite good enough. The thing about why, we should point out that chance to get on the chance for a punch. Great crosses. We've talked more about getting more balls than the bottom two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excellent crosses, aren't they? Yeah, yeah. And, and I thought the Swari had that shot, which I don't think most people in the Grand Realists are close. It was very close. It was very close. It was going in before it was missing. To quote the wonderful Mark Webster, who got watching the England Sweden game one night when Joe Cole just left Western. He scored a world-class goal against Sweden. Yeah, sort of curled up and came back in again. The Webster was just furious when that was missing before it went in. Shit, that's simply celebrating that. But now I thought Swari started to, and what was interesting as well as the amount of space, but even against Man City, who's haven't considered a goal yet, but Lassie was making so much space for Swari to get down into. And also, I don't know, somebody mentioned afterwards, and the courtesy of it, I don't know whether the pitch has got something to do with it, but I thought we were far more confident in our passing. It's less hopeful. It wasn't just hopeful, knocking the ball forward. It was putting balls in front of people 10, 20, 30-year-old proper passes, rather than just sprinting it forward on the way. Someone on the Guardian pop-cast this week said that the pitch is wider. The pitch has got wider, or is one of the widest in the league or something. So I don't know if they have changed it. James Richardson said he also then said he wasn't sure if it got smaller. He couldn't remember. But it's not the bigger or smaller. It's not the bigger or smaller. He's got taller, I can't remember. Or he's standing further away. It's quite an absolute perspective. I thought there was more confidence in our passing than it was in the last season. And it was paying off, and the passes were for the most part, getting to where they had a passing at pace as well. Oh, the confidence in the team is immeasurably better. Anyway, let's round off part one there. In part two, of course, we've got to say immeasurably. I think so, yeah. I think that's his longest year. You know, it's new season. New word. Yeah, it's far too little. Got a dictionary for my birthday. Erm, let's, right, that is the end of part one. In part two, we've got questions from our listeners. So see you in a bit. And listen, welcome back to part two of the five-year plan podcast. Good to see you. Pod one, four, nine. Sponsored by JCIS. That's JC Innovation and Strategy. The Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Jaz, yeah, then John Coltrane. Nice, let me do it. The website is JC-IS.com. That was a good one. Jaz, yeah, then John Coltrane, yeah. Good. And of course, vector printing for your print and embroidery needs. Go to vector.co.uk and that's vector with her. Kati. There we go. It seems to be a bit of an after-fall, now, don't they? No, no, they're very much to all part of the team. Store what? Oh, yeah. Oh, store what? Good. Right. I haven't been delaying this. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You fall back on them with another embroidery of crafts on them. Now, but reliable, but reliable. Let's crack on one of the questions. Dan. Hey, Dan. Dan of South London. Dan of the South. Nice. I'll let you know. Says, it goes on your point, actually. Kevin, from earlier, are city fans the most precious in football? You'd think we were leads from the 70s, if you listened. Oh, I'm going to say, no, they're not the most precious, because precious has to be like, you know, a bit rare. So I'm going to go bright in front. OK. I think there's been a slight change in city fans in the last couple of seasons, because there's always been a good bond between police fans, because they've got a lot of good mates with city fans. But there was a certain sense of entitlement creeping in now, a certain sense of that. Do you reckon that does happen as a successful team? I think it'd probably happen to us. I think we'd, I think, you know, probably Chilton, the middle fans, probably think we're more arrogant than we used to be. I don't know, but I think probably we don't. I think what's disappointing was Aguero naming Scott down on his tweet today, saying that tackle, that tackle by school, well by school, yeah, and also city. I mean, they made a lot more fuss with it than they need to. They got a very big squad. I'm not only playing the Champions League on Tuesday, but I think, especially given the other tackles it went on in the game, I think it was a bit ungracious to behave, to react to the way they did to Scott down's tackle. It was a bad tackle. It was not one police fan who would say it wasn't a bad tackle, but it wasn't. But if City hadn't, if City, if Tory and Mangala hadn't done their tackles, he might have been like, okay, maybe fair enough. But the fact that they did tackle as good, if not worse, it's a bit rich for them to sit. So you're a very physical team? Yeah, very physical team. And it's just that they are, it's not all city fans, but there are one or two special and social media who are starting to go, well, yeah, that sort of actually, the Arsenal fans always say, well, if you're going to go around tackling us and then what's the point? If you're going to go around playing football against us, that's not. But nothing wrong being a physical team, being a physical team, when you need to be. We're not with, we are more physical than we are. We probably won't even under peel this, but we're not, we're not dirty. All right, we've got to do that. But again, yeah, that's got down, let's not be hypocritical. If it's the other way round, we probably wouldn't be furious, but it wasn't through on goal. Exactly. There was plenty of cover, and it wasn't. I don't think it was, I think it was cynical, not malicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's meant, I think he's probably meant to bring him down there. But he's not, he's not gone in there intending to hurt him. You know, he's not a miter of it to anyone like that. He's not a lunatic who goes around, you know, being entirely cynical. Well, he's never done that before for Palace. He's never done that before for Palace. He just got caught for base and decided to make a fairly professional foul, which, you know, it happens. And he took the book in that he deserved. So I just, you know, it's a little bit sanctimonious, but I suppose you're going to get that. Well, can I pose you this question then from Tony? No, you can't move, we're done with questions. Okay, fella, she's in the fart too. Tony G. Hey Tony. Hey Tony. Says, big team bias does exist. But do we sometimes suffer from small team paranoia? I heard a few moans about the man. He told him that. Listen, a few moans about the man city bookings should have been a red. But for me, Dan was as bad as man gala. Is that, is that a thing small team paranoia? I think every team, I think man city fans probably have the same paranoia. You know, I had fans would say city fans who got that paranoia. There's still, I think most Palace fans, I thought the referee was very good on Saturday. And I think the longer we stay in the Premier League, the more decisions will start to even themselves out. I'm sure Watford, Ballmouth Norwich fans are doing their pod at this very same moment. You know, I hope not sponsored by Vector with a K, but you know. Well, if I find that, we'll be in the case. With an L, Watford fans will probably split it. I don't know. But only draft in fella pods, which is a bit amazing. Cut the pods in Grenada. It's like a tri-lingual pod. He's a good player at fella pods. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be sitting there doing the pod saying it's, you've got to work much harder to get decisions. But I think also as well, I think it's noticeable. I think, well, it might be anecdotal, it might be imagination, but I think we've peeled this prowling the touch line and parried you prowling the touch line. We'd probably get a few more decisions going away than we used to, but I think there's no fear of uniting any more for referees now, Ferguson's gone. I think I had no complaints about the ref on. Anti-fair against Norwich. We did get that decision, didn't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, my complaints were more to do with the main city fans who refused to accept that the Tourary Challenge was just, but I've got no complaints with the ref. I thought the referee handled the game very well, I think. I think, oddly, I think from what I've seen, a couple of the younger neuro-refs that have come in, they're looking all right in the Premier League, so. Okay. There is that paranoia, there always will be that kind of, because we still, most of the fact, this is all new territory for us. Well, we used to be in underdogs, aren't we? Yeah, we'd get the sort of siege moves out. Absolutely, yeah. And we weren't, oddly, we didn't go into that. I mean, it's slightly odd, people talking about it being the top two clash, because we won't be in the top two at the end of the season, but. No, in the top one. But we weren't underdogs though, we weren't. People were predicting city, we'd have a tough game. A lot of people predicted the drill, so it wasn't like, even at the end of last season, with the two one, when we won, we were massive underdogs going into it. And so, we have to slightly get used to that. Right, that's progress already. Since that game came in. Yeah, we've had that. And we played better in losing than we did in winning. Well, here you go. The next question is on that from Adam. Seamless thing. Adam Butel. Hi, Adam. That's Will Sikek, as well. I didn't even know where the next question is. Great, and he says, is it more encouraging? Hi, Adam. Oh, hi, Adam, sorry. Hi. Is it more encouraging to play well against city and lose, or not play as well, but win like last year? Well, obviously, you want to win, but I mean, I thought it was a terrific game with football, and it looked like two, I mean, obviously, they're a proper football inside. They've got world-class talents, but, you know, it wasn't one of those, like last season, as you say, even though Joe Hart made a series of very, very, very good saves, we were for a lot of the match on the back foot there. They had a ridiculous number of shots in comparison to us, like a ridiculous amount of possession in comparison to us. Like, had far more of the ball. Like, we looked like we were basically playing, like, completely in a way, too. We didn't know like that on Saturday. It was just, it looked like a terrific game of football between two teams going for each other. Last season, it was like a cup game. Really, almost like a championship team. And bear in mind, we were in quite good form at the time. It looked like a championship team, straining every muscle to stay in the game. But we looked like we belonged on the same pitch. And it's slightly, you know, the whole form is still slightly worrying. But even I'm happy to say, we're not going to go down. We look like a team, we look like a useful team. We look like... Oh, well, we're not, but we look like, you know, we belong to be there. It's like, yes, it's five games on the trot now. It's not, they clearly, most of the newspapers said, the lead table, it's not flat ringers. And they clearly knew, you see the way they celebrated. They knew they'd been in a really... Exactly. Tough game. And they would have looked at that and said, that's a brilliant three points for them. Yeah. And it's interesting, because obviously, you know, the TV companies in the summer looked at the fixture and it didn't occur to them for a moment. There's going to be a big top table game. But we looked like a team, we narrowly lost to a really good team. And we narrowly lost to, let's be fair, a slightly better team than us. We've, yeah, but... They've given their one of the best teams in Europe. Yeah, yeah, but why shouldn't they be a slightly better team? I think we've shown big progress. Yeah. In a short space of time already, I think. I still think the home... I mean, what's interesting, because we... There were some Palace fans who panicked when the fixtures came out, but considering our first five games have included three, Albeit, where Chelsea are, they included three of the teams that you'd expect to finish in the top four. And we've got nine points. It took us first season, we were up, it took us 12 games to get seven points. It took us 10 games to get nine points for the last season. And we had, arguably, an easier start to the season than last season. So, we... This is our toughest start to the... Yeah, and in terms of what we have to achieve, which is, and I know people will laugh at me for saying, it's what we have to achieve is staying in the Premier League. I agree, yeah. In terms of that, and it's all looking very encouraging. And, yeah, I just think, in the next transfer window, and that's awful to talk about already, but we just need a striker and some cover. But, no, we're a really good work in progress at the moment. And, like I say, your home form, yes, on paper right now, doesn't it? Good, but it's against Man City and... And Arsenal, it's only got to do it the amount of the way, and you've got some win-ball games coming up. We beat them teams at a blower, which is what you want. Exactly. Chelsea figures, just as strong as you know. It's slightly, again, it's a strange how some football fans' minds work. People say, "Oh, well, them losing to Everton made our result look worse than it was." But we went to Stanford, which is under the second... I don't think we've quite got the credit that we deserve. It's one of the second teams to beat them at Stanford reach. Pardu is the only manager who's beaten three times. We've beaten it three times, but we deserve to win that game. And it's a different balance because in years gone by, if that equalised would have led to them scoring an other goal, they didn't. We just carried on attacking our right back when I scored a goal, which was ridiculous. And we deserved it, is that me? And that shows the progress that I think we've made so far. Next question is from Andy Bell. Hi, Andy. No, not the guy. From Eurasia, that's correct. Sorry, Andy, because I thought I thought I'd... So we have to keep saying it in case one day is my origin. It might be. I don't think he listens as well. Can you imagine, if it one day was? That'd be great, Andy Bell. I can't imagine so, please, won't it? By the way, that's pleased, but I think he looked particularly pleased. Lost a bit of weight, and the car saw him sad. He's lost a bit of weight, isn't he? Are you sure he just won't do his heart? Mainly round the legs. No, no, he just won't. Anyway... First of all, see him, guys. I don't normally see him full length. He's normally sitting down when I see him. He's got quite skinny legs, it's quite effective. Right, Andy says, "What other last minute goals in your experience have we conceded that hurt as much as sad day?" After playing so well. Can we count? Danny Higginbottom, or was that too early? It's pretty late. How late was that? It was late. '86. Was it '85 or something? Well, I'm glad that we got some of the competing knowledge. Danny Higginbottom's Southampton, the Dowy Premier League season. In fact, it must have been about '86, '87. It was. It was ventilate scoring about '81, I think, off top of my head. That was bad. I think Higginbottom was... It must have been. It was very late, because I was doing it for the day two, and we'd already gone round the back to get into the press box thing, so it was... Well, that was late. That's one of the most sickening. Well, Claridge has to be out there as well, instead of sickness. Well, in fact, especially that he won't acknowledge that he was a shit-doll that he didn't mean. Despite the fact that I constantly tell him that, if you tell us it, it looped off his shit, didn't it? Yeah, it was a shit-doll. He didn't mean that. I think that's the only Palace goal that I've never watched on a goal in a Palace match that I've never watched in a replay since, and I refuse to steal to this day. Won't watch that, Steve Claridge got. I think that's probably, though, it would have felt, because the playoff didn't quite have the same desperate urgency as now, does it, to get into the Premier League? It was still heartbreaking. No, massively so. But it didn't feel like life-changing, like it does now if you lose your life. But it made a year later against self-denited. Filled all the more sweet and top conschooled at the same time, didn't it? Yeah, well, there you go. I think I used to have probably the biggest sickness. The best one we scored. Yeah. Mark Breitgen's Millwall. OK. And we were three one up. That's so lost. We were three one up and they got that to three all with about ninety-sixes to go. Can we cancel out against Brighton in the Palace? Is that late enough? Yeah. I think if you go for a Palace, if I only go for Doug, Doug, it's top four. Doug, it's top four. Surely we're up there. Yeah. That was big. Which was handled last weekend. It was massive. We couldn't have made that now, can't we? It was handled. Was it 14 years later? Yeah, that was definitely humble. Yeah, we're right. I've hopped in the Wembley. Probably in the Wembley. Yeah. Oh, that was good. That was brilliant. What was it? One of his poll draws was the last minute. I can't. Derby? I'm struggling. Because obviously, in the mind, these cards, you forget the ones that are against. I remember Charlton coming down in the Premier League year one year and scoring in the last minute. Denn is wrong. Yeah. He ran for eight, isn't he? Yeah. That was a bad one. OK. Good question, though. Yeah. Anything question. Right. Rich is a whole special on it, like we tried to do in the summer. We did a good special on summer. Good job. Let's practice. Oh, and the fact that you lot were so outrageous, not including Kevin Phillips and your five and six. What are you trying to say? Oh, let's not open that wound again. Open that wound. I had a five-hour rant about that at a Greek bar on Saturday to people who didn't care. We know the feeling. Richie Wiseback. Hi, Richie. Hi, Richie. It's a long question, as I'm going to paraphrase it. Including Wilf Inard, done his research, we've had 32 captains, apparently. For 21 of those captains, it's heralded the end of an era. And they've either left or finished their career as captain. Is this the club captain see a curse or disguise? Will Jedi pass the captain see to someone like Kebai, or will he play on and leave? Hey, we've had 32 captains since Wilf Inard. Wilf Inard. I don't know. I'm guessing that's back in like the 20s or 30s or more than 32 captains. Well, like club captains, like official. Oh, I see. OK. As an alternative to you, surely, a club captain is like someone who's at the pinnacle of their career or is, and is therefore probably getting close to retirement with Palace or becomes one of the most important players in the team and therefore more susceptible to being bought. So would it not naturally be the conclusion that a player would end up making the final part of his Palace Group? You're not going to stay at Palace and go, I'm the captain, I'm the captain. Oh, you've demoted me. Oh, I know. I've had him a coffee, it was still technically. I don't know. Well, there's a difference. There's a massive, the thing is, again, we're the only country that really takes the captain thing. For most teams, especially in the national teams, it's the most senior player at a club or at the country who gets the captains on, but there's a big difference with club captain and team captain, because quite often the club captain will be somebody who has different characteristics to the team captain, somebody who's maybe more articulate, more less intimidated by authority. The club captain will be somebody who talks to the chairman or talks to the manager on the player's behalf, or is more happy to go to charity functions or stuff like that. It's more of a, it's quite often more of a PR role for the players than it is, it's sort of a leadership role as the team captain is... You've had Jedi does all that. Yeah, it does. But I'm not sure how the role of club captain sort of impacts on a player. It's Patty McCarthy still, he's still here. Yeah, yeah. So maybe he's still club captain and Jedi's team captain? I mean, because Damian's been, who's been captain and James and Jedi has started. Damian or Dan? I think he's... I think he's... I think he's... Damian or? I think he's just Damian. I think he's just Damian. I think he's just Damian. I think he's pretty much Damian. I think he's pretty much Damian. I think he's pretty much Damian. Yeah. Because I don't think you don't appoint an official team captain, you ever captain for each game. I don't think you necessarily say you don't have to announce that this is your team captain, do you? I don't know. I don't think... Well, I had that wrong because I did the U.R. The riff thing there was there and got them all wrong, which was astonishing. I'm a brilliant... I'm a brilliant club referee. I'm fully qualified. I've got free. I was really shocked. It was really quite there in the office, but I got... No wonder they should only listen to part I'm 50. And I suppose you know, you must have to, you know, I suppose you do have to announce that your captain is starting to see what you must do. But I suppose it would be an indication if a player is not in the manager's thoughts, if he's not team captain. I'd imagine seeing your team captain be starting every game. I'd imagine Jedi would still be club captain as long as he's here, I think. I would have thought so. I would have thought that role well off the pitch as well. Yeah, but also other players tend to step forward to do that role unofficially anyway. There's always sort of three or four. Andy Johnson was always the one that was always happy to do club stuff. Well, Veroni. In another life, one's Veroni would have been club captain for years. Well, he'd be a kickman, he'd do everything when he'd be a caterpillar. Catering, yeah. He'd be running down a red and blue bar. He'd be like, "Man, well, we've just been doing everything for really." Yes, everything he threw in, he'd cheerfully take on it. And he might do after he retired. Yeah, he might come down for the step, for a penalty of carrying two trays of red wine. OK, I've got a question about that. It's a good question, though. Longer. Good question. Yeah, interesting. I've got a question about Veroni from Robert Nester. Hi, Robert. He says, "Is Veroni a being a keeper of Eman City? Do you think he would have been criticized more for the Golden McCarthy?" Oh, that's a good question. I think that's a very good question. Probably no. I mean, again, it would depend how he'd started to season. I mean, I think Veroni's thanked up so much. Good will now, I mean, that's part of McCarthy's problem, is that we still don't know how good he is as a keeper yet. And there's quite a bit of pressure on McCarthy because Pardue went to a lot of effort to bring him to a club where we had two really good goalkeepers anyway. So there's always that kind of suspicion, like that's talking about that small club paranoia. There's always that suspicion amongst fans when you've got certainly one player who's a legend. One another player who's bought in that position has got to work much harder and will be scrutinized. The way that Julian was when he first came into the Palace, you know, when he's at first season in the Premier League, when every mistake, because he was making so many, every mistake was under the spotlight. So I think the answer is that Veroni probably wouldn't have been under so much pressure or wouldn't have been criticized so much, but I can understand why McCarthy is because he hasn't settled down as our first choice keeper yet. We don't know much about it. I mean, we still don't know. However, sprouting me back in the team, it would have been - there's no reason why Pardue should, but it would have been quite nice if we sort of knew that he was our keeper full stop. You might be more inclined to get behind him, because at the moment you don't know whether he's - well, I don't know we shouldn't get behind him, obviously, but at the moment you don't know whether he's a standing or whether he's a first choice or - and the fact is if he is first choice, then he will get more scrutiny because he's come out of nowhere to become - he's jumped two good goalkeepers to become - you wonder if he might not know if he's. That's a good point. You kind of assume - I think when we had this discussion we brought him, you kind of assume he must be, really, but if he is, that does make it difficult, because as I say, it looks like he's jumped ahead of two, one very good goalkeeper and one goalkeeper. We assume he's very good, but we don't see him enough to make, but that's a good question. - Very good question. I suspect that we won't see Speroni apart from cupcakes. - Yeah. - I've got a feeling Julian won't be starting. - I agree. - Also on the bench, I don't think possibly they'll be looking for a different role for him in terms of maybe goalkeeping coach. - I mean, I've thought of some sort of ambassador role, hopefully he'll stay at the club. I wouldn't like to see him start moving down divisions. - Well, it depends on what he wants to do though, doesn't it? - Of course, yeah. But he's relatively old. You keep forgetting that he's relatively old now for a keeper, so as a selfishly, as a Palace fan, and this will sound odd considering what I said about Glenn Murray that we shouldn't hold Glenn Murray back by saying, I've found a whole Glenn Murray thing with some Palace fans really odd, because basically what they were saying is it's very selfish that we should keep Glenn Murray having on the bench like an old Labrador, so yeah, he's not going to play, but it's nice for him to be around the house. - From a bull. - Yeah. And then they were kind of saying, well, why have you let him go? Because he wanted to go and play football. - He wanted to go and play football. - Exactly. But I would look, yeah, the opposite selfishly, I would really like to say Julian Stair at the club in some sort of role. - I think he would like, oh, I can't speak for him, obviously, but he clearly got a connection to the club, so he'd like to think that would be the game. - Well, the way he talks about Dundee, he didn't really want to leave then, basically. - Yeah, true. - Well, clearly from the testimony. - I've got a pretty strong connection with him. - I saw, in fact, quite a few Dundee fans came to my show, I don't know, which is basically off the back of... - Really bro, yeah. - Thanks, Jules. - Yeah. - Brilliant. - Right, our next question is from Brown Bear. - Hi, Brown Bear. - Yeah. - He says... Is it... His real name is Leon Mook. - Mook. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry, because I'm a Native American sweetheart. - Yeah. - That'd be one of a Dakota Hills police fans. - But who knows, we might have found out there. He says, "Is it okay to use bubble bath in the shower if you run out of shower gel?" - Well, I just don't think it would be sufficiently solid to be able to get you a watch from, because it's quite... quite... quite liquid... liquidus. - That's the worst. Clearly. - Hold on. - Do you naive fools? - It's the same thing. - It's all a nice... - It's all a nice... - It's a solid... it's... - Just go to the factory. It's one big tap. They just put different... - No, no, no. - Shoes. - Washing up bowls, blurt. - Well, not all of us have a side loan, BBC side. - Yeah. - Yeah, washing up liquid batteries like you. - Yeah, washing up liquid batteries like you. - Hair dress, shampoo, conditioner. - It's just the same thing. - All the same thing. - All right. - Just different colour, different bowl. - Well, I've learnt something. - Well, there you go. - Well, that's the most middle-class question we've ever had. - That threw into my house. - Just have water. That'd be fine. - I used to work... - You saw my show. I used to work in... There's my first job as in a barbershop, as a young man. - Yeah, well, I say you know what you're doing. - You know what you're doing? - Well, there you go. And he... I can't tell you his name, because he may still be alive, but one day he said I'll let you into the trick of the trade, because apparently there was only one when you were a barber. He said you go to a... you go to a spa and you get a really cheap shampoo, and you pull it out, and then you... Yeah. You pull a lot of those in, and you pull it out, and then you pull the cheap shampoo into the bottle of those in, and you charge more for the... You charge more for the those in, but it's really cheap shampoo, so I said, what do you do with the those in? You'd pour it out. And there's a silence, because he obviously hadn't thought that. (laughter) Just as well as pour it away, and I said, right, right, right, and then he just used the posing, charging more for that then. (laughter) Brilliant. What's phosing? Yeah. It's... Well, back in the day, it was like a posh. It was the posh shampoo. Oh, there we go. And wall, basically. In the cup. Oh, I know. You would've used what I walled. I imagine. He showed you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. He's always here. It's black, really, because there's so much more wall. (laughter) He's rubbed it off. He's down to the root colour. Right. Next question is from... Poor enders. Can't defend himself. He was here. He was here. He was here. He wasn't bad. Bless him. Right. Bless him. John Dodds. Hi, John. Says, "How high..." (laughter) Can't get round in me. Exactly. John Dodds says, "How high can we finish in the table?" What, theoretically, first? Well, I guess, you know, out of the back of that result, now, where do we think? Well, surely, surely, surely, surely, the position we finished last season would be fantastic. I think most people would admit that. We can, if we have an amazing season, we could do, I think, similar to what Southampton did in their brilliant season when, you know, various players who are underrated by a lot of other teams come together and form a really good, easy team unit. My worry, though, I was actually thinking about this earlier while Kevin was talking, my worry, though, is that if we have particularly good season where they all gel and they're all capable of doing that and we do finish probably above expectation, even sort of our wildness expectations, you do then worry if the vultures will really start surfing. What Southampton have found is that when they perform to basically the ceiling of their ability and to sort of the maximum of what they're capable of doing, obviously the likes of Liverpool then go, "Oh, yeah, they've got some good players and they played in the Premier League. Let's buy their entire team." So, I mean, that's kind of a little bit of a worry, from my perspective, but I would say we're capable of finishing sort of seventh if we have a really good season. I think anything hard in that, you know, you've got an established top six there really, if you're factoring sort of Liverpool and Spurs as well, and you would think over the course of the season they've got big enough squads to sort of probably outperform us. If we lose someone like Scott Dan for a prolonged period, we would be in a fair amount of trouble. Will we to have to rely rather than on a MacArthur or a Kibai on one of the other guys you would have thought that over the course of the entire season will probably perform at a slightly lower level. Despite me saying completely the opposite on a pod about three weeks ago, I think we're a couple of injuries away from sort of a bit of a tail off in the inform, but you know, I don't see why we're not capable of pushing on from what we did last season. I think we've reached the point that we talked about in the first season in the Premier League, about when we talked about expectations and chelting fans back in the day, et cetera, et cetera. But if we start talking about where we can finish then disappointment is the inevitable outcome. I still forgive me for saying it and it is people will be going for the love of God and frame whatever they're listening to at the wall, but first thing is to stay in the Premier League and I think we will do that and then see what happens after that. I just think, I think what's interesting in this season is that already I thought that Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford would be pretty much nailed on to go down and that sort of took some of the fear away, but I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Look, it's hard looking at even though Newcastle losing as we speak, Sunderland look pretty poor. No one's, no one looks like they're a basket case at the moment. I thought less than we're going to throw a basket case. Absolutely. And I still, I think they're in a false position as well, but no one looks like they're a basket case at the moment. So I don't think there's any obvious candidates for going down. So I think it's going to be tough, but I think it's hard to say it out loud that we look about a football team and quite a few of the teams in the Premier League, but I do worry about the home form and I do worry that there will be a different way of expectation that suddenly the club and the players feel they have to win every game against the smaller teams and which Palace fans will start expecting. But he's a danger in that, but I think staying up is the important thing. I think Street's point is a good one, but I think Southampton has slightly, they kept some of the players that came through. Again, we're not getting that much. We still got quite a few of the players that got us promoted. I think the ethos at the club is that we will still, we'll always have a sort of nucleus of five or six players around which the squad is, the squad is based. And the fact is that if they do come in for our players, they'll have to pay decent money for them. I think we're starting to put in place with Pargy, with Parrish, we're starting to put in place a sort of continuity in the system where we won't sell up. We don't have to sell our players anymore for the first time in the years. We don't have to sell our best players. And if we do sell them, we'll get good players in because, again, it comes back to what we said about Scott Danstone, the longer the more players like goodbye we sign, the more players like goodbye we sign because it shows where a club with optimism and attitude and ambition. But the thing is as well, we have to accept that we're not going to break into that top six or seven on a regular basis. If we do, we could have a good season and do like Newcastle is under Pargy and finish fifth, but then struggle the next season. So I think as much as I'm really enjoying what's happening at the moment, I am really enjoying it. I'm really optimistic. The fact is that we are one of the four in clubs in the Premier League that probably won't be in it in ten seasons time. And that includes people like Everton and Villar and whose ambition is always to stay in it. Obviously, the longer we stay in it, the more we become like Stoke and you look like you're one of those teams that will be there. But even Stoke is struggling now. But we have five or six seasons ago. You wouldn't think Bolton would ever be in it, but the important thing is staying and it's like Steve Parrishdon is in the garden. It's not just important in terms of football. It's important in terms of what we're doing in the community, what we're doing in terms of the training ground, the academy attracting new talent, but we're at that brilliant stage where one thing that could impact on is the academy because it's the one thing Simon Jordan did that was sensible was to keep the academy going because we've had to rely on, you know, Victor Moses is playing for West Ham tonight. We've had to rely on bringing players through like that and getting money for them to survive in the past. And you only have to look at the amount of players' chills you have out on loan. If you reach a stage where you're going to comfortably be in a Premier League in a top 10 every season, then that ambition, that desire to bring the young players through doesn't have the same urgency as it used to have. I mean, I'm hoping that that won't, that won the Palace fans or the Palace as a club are passionate about. Yeah. And that's important to our identity. Yeah. But the thing is that could change if we become a bigger club than we are at the moment. I doubt it will because I think it will always be a club that attracts people from the local area. But that is one of the things that could change. But for the most part of the moment, I just think it's brilliant to just enjoy it. It's not start staying. Enjoy the ride. Yeah, it's not start staying. Where can we finish? Can we get into Europe? See what happens. Just see what happens. Alright, final question. And inevitably we will lose to West Brom. Probably. Yeah. That's the Palace way. Final question comes from Graham Neland. Hi Graham. Hi Graham. He lives in Australia and he says, "Given the leadership spill currently happening here in Oz, don't know what that means about it." I believe that means... Or is it short for Australia? Yeah, it means Australian. They got rid of their Prime Minister's State Tony Abbott, I believe. Okay. Who is the Murdoch stooge? Can you do that? The government. Yeah, it's a strange, invoked, a strange Australian rule. Yeah, it's his own party you've got rid of him. Okay. He's the Liberal party. But even though he's very far right wing conservative idea look, he's the one who's been particularly harsh in things he said about sending the navy out to sink, though it's full of refugees off the Australian coast. Wow, okay. It's probably best to get rid of him than I imagine. Well, we don't know the ins and outs of these things, do we? We don't. And obviously that's not why we're doing a podcast. Yeah. But anyway, there's more to... Well, we do, but let's not talk about it. There's more to Graham's perspective than he has. Sorry. Graham hasn't just asked us for our opinion done, what's happening in Australia. He says, "On the back of that, which Palace player would make the best Prime Minister?" Ooh. Ooh. I would go... I'd go for Shamaq because, wow, because the electorate would be so baffled by what's going on on top of his head that he could sneak in any, basically, any part political broadcast he could just say, he could be promising a giraffe for every garden, you know, and no one would take any notice. They'd just be going, "What on earth is..." I'd vote for that. How's he going? And let's face it, if you can manage what's happening on top of his head, he can manage a country. That's his tagline right there. That's it. I thought. Yeah. Right there. He's probably for the best... I think none of them would be... I would take it. Julian would be good. I think Julian. Julian would take on too much, so he'd be traveling, he'd be trying to do the NHS and ISIS and son of his garden. Yeah. He'd be doing all sorts of things. Yeah. He'd be fixing the pot hole as well. Yeah. In itself. But he'd be good, though, because he talks well and he's just nice. He's a likable guy. Yeah. So he'd be lovely. It'd be nice to think that we've moved on enough to have an Argentinian as Prime Minister. Well, why not? I'm sure the sun would love that. Jesus Christ. Can you imagine? Straight? What are you voting for? Well, I think we've got a range of options really, haven't we? We've got Bamford, who obviously haven't been to Harvard's part of the political and need anyway. Oh, okay. He's book-learned, don't he? Yeah, exactly. You've got Joe Ledley, who has the Corbyn bid thing going on, but also it's Welsh, like Lloyd George in the early 1900s. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Thanks. Good night. And that's it. I thought of another one, but I've completely forgotten it now, so yeah. No. Or we could have Yannick Blassie, because I believe he'd probably do Prime Minister's questions to a grim soundtrack. Oh, that would be good. He does like these little videos, I think, so probably Periscope from the House of Commons or something completely against normal conventions, so I think he shakes it up, as the phrase goes. Yeah. And that is the most street that the street has ever sounded. Thank you, Graham, for that question. That was very good. Thank you, listeners, for your questions. In part three, we look forward to Palace's Game Against Tottenham. So we'll see you in a bit. Hello, listeners, welcome back to the Fabio Pan podcast, Pod 149. Oh, what's happening for 150? We've got a very special guest for 150, and someone to do with Palace. Oh, okay. May I get anywhere? I can't say. Possibly. Is it Kayla? Car say? Not being put down yet. Just wait until we're not doing that again. Just wait until next week, and you will find out by listeners, it's a very special guest, to cap off 150 podcasts. We don't have to wait, obviously, you know, but don't say it, don't say it now. 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And if you do that... Gee. It is catchy. And if you do that, we will very much appreciate that indeed. Now, Palace are playing Spurs away in their next game, a game last season that Palace played very well in and arguably, well, not even arguably, should have got all three points. Neil, Neil. It was Neil, Neil, and then we beat them at Celeste. Karl Mortimer's got a question for this game. Well, the question is in part two though. Can you say hi, Karl? Hi, Karl. Oh, yeah. Well, no, it's Froder's a little bit. He says, "Do you start Gail at Spurs?" Well, I'm not the manager, so how do you know? It's a very good question. It would depend, I suppose, on Wickham's fitness, on the availability of other players. I think the answer is that he won't start, to be perfectly honest. Again, Gail suffered, in an ideal world, ten years ago, Gail would start with next to Wickham's. I still think Gail was a big problem, as we discussed before, is that he's an old-fashioned striker in a world where 4-4-2 is considered so out of date that no one's going to give him a chance playing next to a big... Although, City did kind of start in a 4-4-2 on Saturday, were bony and rarer, up top. Yeah, and then when I was a bit... Not that sort of traditional littler, but I was tight for most of Gail using his pace to get onto flick-ons. No. I don't think Gail... Again, it's difficult. I'm really pleased he stayed, but many times he'd argue that he would... And he's as good as impact, isn't he? As good as an impact. Well, he's very much an impact player, to my mind. I'd be amazed if he starts now. But I personally wouldn't start. I mean, we mentioned there the fact that City did start with the two up top in that game. You know, arguably it was their worst performance of the season so far. Admittedly, we played quite well, but there were times last season when they tried to go with the 4-4-2 and he just didn't work for them. And again, arguably after Aguero goes off and they end up having to... It came off... De Bruyne. De Bruyne, they end up effectively dropping another man back into the midfield. They ended up, possibly, you'd say, getting more control of the game from that point onwards from the point at which that extra man adds a bit of weight to the midfield area. So... I mean... I think... Hangulam played really well. I thought Hangulam was very good on Saturday, but it did kind of play into his hands a little bit in that they did start with the 4-4-2, because you worry about Hangulam if you've got a team playing with just one striker or a full striker and he's getting drawn out of... When the game's in front of him, and when he can see the ball, he'll head it and kick it really well and he's a good... That's when he was very much at one man up top. Yeah, absolutely. Which Hangulam... Yeah. He dealt with that very well. You worry about him when you've got a more mobile set of forwards, which is not a criticism of Hangulam. I think he's very... I'm glad he's in the squad. And I think he and Kelly did well, but... No, I don't think Gail will start, but I think Gail does give you a different option if... Well, if you need a goal. Hangulam... Not pretty poor. I watched the Sunderland game and, you know, obviously it'll be nine pallets. It'll be Kane's chance to score his goal. Yeah. I don't think we should go there of any worry. And it's interesting to... He kind of... Andy's absolutely right. He would normally include Tottenham in the sixth or seventh at the start, but at the moment, they're not firing on all cylinders at all, and I don't think they'll be too pleased about us coming to the white heart lane. I mean, too tricky away, that the Watford game I'd have been more confident about before they beat Swansea, because I thought Swansea would just pass them off the pitch and wear them down and score two or three in the last 15 minutes, but Watford, I thought, looks right, and all accounts and reports that they look good. And the effect is that we can't... The awayform can't... It's got to stop some... It's got to stop somewhere. I mean, the awayform is freakishly good. Two point four points. Yeah. It's astonishing. I mean, to the extent that we're starting to take it for granted, and we can't do that. I mean, our record under poetry is fantastic, but we are starting to take it for granted, and that's why we're sort of overlooking the homeform a little bit, and partly because we lost the city, and I understand that, but you can't... You can't rely on winning these away games, because teams will start seeing it through us eventually. And certainly we can't underestimate the spares. I didn't see them actually getting sunlings on a plane at the time. I think other than that, they've actually created quite a lot of chances of the season. They've not been putting them away, but their sort of chance creation has been actually okay, and they've been periods of matches where they've looked pretty good. I wouldn't say they've looked phenomenal by any stretch of the imagination, and certainly we're capable of going there and getting a good result, but I think, you know, we've got to be a little bit wary of just saying, "Oh, we've got four points in the last six." Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's spares. Well, I thought what was interesting in watching them yesterday, compared to watching the Palace on Saturday, was that they moved the ball about, but really slowly. And they'd get... Sundon had so much time to get men behind the ball, whereas we were moving the ball about so much more quickly and so much more precisely. And I do think... Yeah, I'm not scared about going there, but I am scared about us sort of just taking this away form for granted, because it will end eventually, it can't just the lure of averages we've gone. But there's something, clearly, something that Pardre and the players are doing that makes us so good away from home. What is the kind of the recipe behind it? It seems to be on the front foot, don't I, against us, if they're the iron team, and we're set up to play as a counter-attacking team, and that's always going to be more conducive whether the Hine team tries to play like a Hine team. I'm not saying anything, because I asked him that question at the player of the year, doing nickel with an idiot. Oh, right. Did he? Yeah. So that was a layman's question version of an idiot's question. Wow. I accept the criticism for myself. No, no, I don't know, because I think it's a fair question, yeah. But you've only got to look at the points total, it's not a layman's question or a stupid person's question. If the points total away from home is 2.4 points, it goes more like me saying is it to do with the fact that at home teams don't sit back, and we haven't got the space to counter-attacking it. Maybe you just don't want to say that the picture is shit. I think there was that. Yeah. The fact is, as well, I think we are still set out to better as a counter-attacking team, and that's why we probably look good against City. It doesn't matter if City at home or away, they'll still play their way in the tacky, but you have to think, eventually, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already. You think there's obviously good managers out there, but they can't seem to come up with a way of stopping us playing that way, but also I do worry, because we still haven't got a natural goalscorer. Well, we have in Gayle, who doesn't fit our system. Or Sacco looks like he might be, but I don't think Sacco is going to get 20 a season. Not yet. Definitely not yet. Well, it's interesting. We've got options. We've certainly got options off the bench. Well, again, it comes back to me and disappointed about losing at home to City. When in the past, have we talked about going to what are they and saying, well, we should be able to get something there. Exactly. And in fact, I work with this first fan, and he's terrified. Yeah. A lot of the first fans are not looking forward to Sunday at all, because of the way we played last season. Because Palace are now by teams of sports of other clubs, seen as a viable threat and a decent team. Yeah. Yeah. And Tottenham haven't even allowed for the fact they won yesterday. They didn't look impressive. And it was against a pretty poor Sunderland side. I know Sunderland put the effort in, but you kind of would hope they would do that. But that's why, if I was a Sunderland fan, I'd be worried because they look like they're meant to work really, really hard just to stay in a game against teams. Yeah. And apart from Defoe, it just doesn't seem to be any goals in them. Well, we've taken one of their main strikers. Yeah. Yeah, that won goal in two seasons. He'll come good. He will come good. I got faith in him. That's kind of it, folks, for this. Do we have some predictions, I suppose, game? No. No, we're growing up. Are we? Are we there? No. Okay. That ends up being disproven very quickly. So I think when it comes down to putting something that's quantifiable, then very, very, very precise that people will come back at night. Okay. We're going to win one. Let's just show the big table. Let's go. We're down to six now. Oh, no. We're basically in this race. But we are seven points ahead of the bottom three, for those of us with a pessimist. There you go. That's the important thing. Are we safe yet, Kev? Yeah, yeah. In. Are we safe? I don't think we'll go down. Okay. So therefore, yes. Wow. There you go. No, I don't think. No, I don't think... No, I think we'll... Well, barring a disaster. Well, which palace perfectly capable of doing? Yeah. Biring part you, you know, leaving for some reason or getting an England job or whatever then... Well, Dan getting injured or... Yeah, but even so, I think we're still waiting off about us to not... to not get replicated on the net position. Good. Exactly. Yeah. Let's end the pod there. Chaps, thank you very much for being on. And welcome back to the pod. To both of you. Listeners. Oh, one more thing. We sold... If... FIP issue 43 was on sale on a Saturday against Man City and sold very well, so thank you to everyone that bought a copy. Are there any left? There's some left, yeah, which I think are good for you. Well, where would they be on sale? The next home game I think, which is... It's against a... West Brom. There were some left because you forgot to go and sell them, didn't you? No, I didn't forget... You've got a phone call when you're in the pub saying, "Why aren't you out selling the fans in here?" Oh, yeah, no, I did technically. Yeah, I got... The next time... Well, the next time I've got... Well, the next time I've got... Yeah, well, there might be some chance. Technically. Everything listeners, and we will see you next week after Spurs for Podcast 150. Ooh! See you then. Goodbye. Bye. This podcast is part of the sports social podcast network. How do you feel when you switch to Geico and save on your country? It's like going to work on one Thursday morning and thinking to yourself, "Just one more day until Friday." But then, somebody in the elevator says, "Happy Friday!" Then you check your phone quickly and discover today is actually Friday. So yes, happy Friday, random stranger in the elevator. Happy Friday, indeed. Yep, switching and saving with Geico feels just like that. 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Kevin is back from Edinburgh and rejoins the pod to review the slender defeat to Man City. Jim and Andy are also there as they try to work out if Scott Dann's challenge on Sergio Aguero was a red card and which Palace player would make a good Prime Minister.
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