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(upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the five-year plan podcast. (upbeat music) - Hello and welcome to the five-year plan podcast. - Hey! - And this one's going to be a slightly unusual one 'cause we've only got three of us on it today. We've got J.D. - Hello. - He's back from Edinburgh. - Yep. - And Andy. - What the hell is going on here? - Who's back from second crack? - I've spiked sides. - I don't like this. - I'm used to routine. You told me at the end of the last podcast, I won't be here again for a while. So I bought out the bunting and a little celebration and then J.D. is here but he's a big guest and what's going on? - Well, the feedback from Rob was so good from our listeners that Rob was such a good host that I thought we should bring him back and then I don't have to do anything. So that was kind of my plan. And also, after 140-something pods. I never got to be on this side before. So I thought I'd see what it's like. And so far, it's not that great 'cause I've got to sit very close to Andy Street. - I don't like it. I don't like it at all. So hi, yeah, it's me, Rob again. I'm back. This podcast is brought to you by J.D. What is it? - You're the host, you're sure? - It's the brand and consultancy, J.C.I.S. who are Southland. There's number one consultancy on such matters. As well as Vector, your top embroidery and embroidery needs type entity. And you are vector.co.uk, that's fixed with us. - Okay, and we should probably point out that JCIS is JC-IS.com. - Oh, very good. - That was a good string. - JD knows, he's been away, but he knows he's been listening. - Street's been listening as well. Do you should do that more often on the board, if I can't see. - No, no, no. - To be perfectly honest, I have a real difficulty with that spill, that JCIS, which is what I asked you to do. - Well, this is a thing, like JCIS, I'm hoping that maybe in the future we might come up with a kind of a work play thing, that would be for Victor. - The vector with the K, so I think they're hoping, so if you guys have any ideas or listeners that we could do for JCIS, that's as catchy as Vector with a K. - We could like play on the JC thing. - Yeah. - So you've got like Jeremy Corbyn at the moment. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah, like Jesus Christ. - So you could say. - Jeremy Clarkson. - Better than Christ, but not as good as Corbyn. - Okay. - Is that going to be too controversial? - I feel like they wouldn't want to be attached to one political party, you know, it's not-- - Look, it worked for the Beatles, they said we're bigger than Jesus. - No, JCIS, bigger than Jesus. - Brilliant. - Thank you. - That's a slogan then. - Good. - JCIS, bigger than Jesus. - No, JCIS, hopefully that didn't cause any offence to-- - If you're a Christian, I apologise sincerely. I'm into all sorts of stuff. - Yeah, we haven't got time to go into that. - Anyway, let's move on to talking about Palace for a change. So we just beat Aston Villa, a bit of a surprise. - Was it, or-- - Was it a surprise? I think it was a game, I mean, looking at the fixed list when it came out and we knew we had, from next week, Chelsea, Man City, and Spurs, the Villa game and the Norwich game, were the two games, I think we all agreed that we pretty much had to win without kind of, you know, making or anything quite six-pointers or must-win games. They were the games that we needed to get something from. So I don't think it was a surprise. I think the main surprise was in the fact, the way we played, and actually the fact that we won, despite, I think, not playing particularly that well. Is that unfair? - Well, you're supposed to be a guest, so you're not supposed to be-- - Sorry, sorry. I'm too used to asking questions. - What you're supposed to do? - As a guest, you come to a really abrupt end. Don't even do that. You come to a really abrupt end, 'cause you make a point, so it really emphatically, you set as if you believe it, even if it's the most unintelligible trip you ever heard. - Okay. - And then you leave it at that. - Right, let me start again then, okay. I think it was a surprise that we won, because we played very poorly, certainly in the first half, and arguably, over the course of the game, did not deserve to win. There you go, boom. - Okay, I like it. I guess the question really is, with regards to the formation, a lot of questions were asked online about it, do you think, Andy, that it was the formation confusing, or what do you think? - Well, I mean, I felt that the mix in the center of midfield looks a little bit disjointing. You've got to kind of take into account, it's a slightly new set of players in there, obviously, 'cause it provides a new signing, but you've been used to having, generally, a big bad bastard at the base of the midfield to sort of reference last week's pod. There's always been a jet-mack or a leddy there, kind of shielding the back four. We tended to always to have the wingers giving really good protection to the fallbacks. That didn't really happen. They played a lot narrower, if anything, in terms of... - Big bad bastard, it sounds like a roll-doll book that didn't get past the production. - It does, sorry. - It does indeed. - Sorry. - That's okay. - I've completely forgotten the sign. - I mean, you were saying essentially saying that jet-mack should have been playing. - I don't want to go that far, but because I think you quite often get to the position where lots of Palace fans think there's ways of a panacea for whatever the current problem is, that you pick one player who will come in and change everything and that there's a silver bullet or a magic cure for everything, and at the moment, there's a few people who are espousing the, let's just bring jet-mack back and it will solve everything thing. And I don't think that's always necessarily going to be the case against some sites, but my worry is that Pargy, in all three games, so far, has decided to sort of issue that particular approach of having someone big at the base of the midfield. And I think we've lacked a certain amount of physicality because of it, I think, McArthur and Kibai aren't bad defensively, by any stretch of their imagination, they're not slouches, but they don't quite have the presence that someone like a jet-mack would like a good ass. - Which, when he came on for the last 15 minutes, we were surprised, surprised, suddenly much more solid. So it's not a difficult conundrum. - I think the interesting thing was that we tend to play with two, at the moment, with McArthur and Kibai as an almost holding kind of box-to-box players who switch roles and each one takes turns in going in a more aggressive kind of approach. - Which they can do, yeah. - And then the next three that play across, you've got the two wingers and then the kind of number 10 role. And the idea is, from what I was seeing, that we were trying to kind of switch each of those round every so often, the problem was, from what I could see, that Sacco was just not, he's just not positionally aware yet. And I think, in part, that comes because he hasn't played to that system. You know, he hasn't been with the club for very long. He's not really been, you know, he's not been match fit, so he's not played as often. And I think you could see that there were times where you look at Sware playing at left back, he was completely overrun for large parts. And so, as a result, we then move punching out to the middle and then you end up with having to put Sacco into the center, which is just not his position. People were saying, oh no, that old ward had a bad game, but wars, like Sware when Sacco was on the left, when Sacco went to the right, like you were right, it sort of ended up being central. And ward was just completely exposed. And yeah, it didn't have a great game, but I think that mostly was due to the fact that Sacco left him exposed. And we've said on this pod previously, that Balacian Will, for the last year, I've got so much better at tracking back and working for their defender and being more of a sort of team player than just kind of tricky wingers. And Sacco, I think, needs to learn that. - Yeah, yes, it was his first game for Paladin. Yeah, he scored a great goal and he showed promise, but the great thing about this squad is they've all learnt to play in this system and they know what they're doing for each other. And I think Sacco still needs to learn that. - And I think we're changing the system, to be honest. I'm quite geeky with some of the stat stuff. And one of the things you can look at on 442, got a really good stat app. And one of the things you can look at is sort of average formation. So where on average, each player has played over the course of the match. And it was market that, for both the fullbacks, the average position of the wings in front was a lot narrower and a lot further up the pitch than it was in our season. And I don't know if that was just the nature of that particular game or whether that's something that Pargy's gonna try on a more concerted basis. But it seems to me that neither a ward or positionally or defensively good enough to really take on that one-on-one type role or to be able to basically have to cover for themselves all the time. Like they're both OK if they're given adequate protection and you know, you either got a big bad boss at the base of infield to sort of patrol all around or you've got the wingers doubling up and coming back far enough. But in the absence of that happening, you can see us getting exposed quite a lot down the flank this thing. - Swari has paid, Swari has pays over ward. It's definitely quicker. So should he get caught up position? I think Swari can recover. But obviously it's not ideal. He doesn't want your fullbacks recovering all the time. He wants them to be positionally sound. So I don't have to do that. And if, I mean, if you're right about going more narrow, I worry about that a little bit 'cause I don't think that's really that sensible. - I don't know if that really suits where we play. - Do you think that it might be that Paju's playing slightly more, maybe more attacking away at home? Purely because we've found that teams are now very often coming to Selhurst Park and playing quite a deep style of football. You look at Villa, they ended up, you know, they started with quite a defensive lineup, but you know, they had a couple of players that they could quite easily bring on later on who, you know, like a Dharma Trojore. - God, it was quick, wasn't it? - But do you think that that's, 'cause Villa really, you know, that their approach was very much right down the middle. So in that regard, you'd argue that maybe going a little bit more narrow was intended to combat that. Is that something that Paju would do? Because of the fact that we didn't haven't played that well at home recently and that, you know, it's not been somewhere where we've collected as many points. I know Paju made that made a point of that in the press conference that he wants to win more home games. - Yeah, yeah, obviously, I mean, obviously we need to win more home games than we did last season, definitely, 'cause then it takes pressure off away games, although we seem to do very well away from home. But I don't know, I feel like Paju's at the moment is trying to make a point. He's trying to make a point that Palace are progressing and we're becoming almost like stoking away that we're changing our style and we can play sexy football and we're expansive and we're exciting to watch, which we are at times, but I don't want us to progress too quickly. I don't want us to kind of lose that solidarity we had under the way Poulis played. Really going back to the way Friedman sort of started that formation. So it feels like we're kind of evolving, but maybe Paju's trying to make us evolve a bit too quickly. Having said that, we've won both the games we needed to, so maybe that's a bit too harsh. - I mean, yeah, you've got to be kind of like, I've already said there that I didn't think the mix was quite right in the midfield on Saturday. I think we've started all three games quite poorly so far. But equally, you look at the things in terms of a small sample size there, really aren't you? It's three games. Two of them, perhaps we've been a little bit more fortunate than we otherwise would have been, and you're talking about thin margins in the Premier League, but ultimately the thing that people were going to look at when they come out of the game, and it sounds like a ridiculous cliche, but the thing that people will look at there is the results obviously, because it's a result business and other football cliches. But we bought ourselves at least some breathing space to allow them to bed in if the results are regressed to the mean level. - And even if we all agree that we don't think Palace were particularly brilliant on Saturday, we still have more shots, more shots on target, more, I don't know, crosses, I'm guessing that. Okay, the shots on target and shots we definitely more of the others, I don't know. But we certainly, stance-wise, we looked like we were the better team, even though I don't necessarily think, maybe we were in the second half, I think we were better in the second half, but. - What do you think of Murray and Zaha going off? Was that, do you think that didn't seem-- - I didn't see, but apparently they had a big barny didn't they, on the way off. - Yeah, well, there's rumours they are, and then there's rumours that it wasn't as bad as reported, but do you think that that change made a difference to the game? - Definitely. - Because I mean, much, much is an interesting one. I think we probably could cover that separately, but I think that. - Okay. - Well, I think it was nice about, 'cause we've done that in every game, every game we've made a change at half time, I think I saw that, I'm not sure if that's true, but certainly certainly have done on Saturday. It's nice that Paz is prepared to do that, and we've had previous managers, Holloway, who would have waited till 15 minutes towards the end, and then chucked on three strikers. So it is nice, and Paz even said after Norwich, oh, I got it wrong in the first half, or I got it wrong to start with, so, you know-- - And then he did that against Arsenal. - And then he did that against Villa. - Yeah, obviously, but I mean, at least you've got a manager who's ready to accept his failings and try and change it, and on Saturday, we were markedly better in the second half, and whether that was down to the fact the players came on, or maybe I don't know if Paz tweaked the system, whatever, but clearly he's someone that's ready to hold his hand up and change things, if need be, which has fans, I mean, half, you know, 50% of our fans' moments in the stands were always like, why is he on? I'd take him off, oh, I'd bring-- I'll bring Gail on, whatever. Partly was doing that. So I think it's difficult to have a go at the guy when he's clearly trying to make up for mistakes he makes, and actually trying to change things and be positive. - Just on the subject of Jordan March, what do you guys think of him? I mean, he seems to be one of those Marmite kind of players that some people like, and some people just can't stand the sight of him in the team, and yet, to me, the contribution he made against Villa was one of being decent in possession and forward-moving, and ultimately, we seem to lack that kind of incisiveness a little bit. - His problem is gonna be that he's got a very language-style style about him, and he always looks like he's not all that busy, which means that you'll end up with some fans preferring people who run around a bit more like Headless Chickens, Alla Guedier, and Acci Real Artie, because they look busier. - And so I've already seen-- - No, not about five pods goes by without Andy's managing a digging Acci Real Artie, even though he had the club about 10 years ago. - But, you know, someone like March will retain possession better than a Guedier, for example, but he does look lazier in possession just because it's just his natural body shape. - I think he's more intelligent. I think March is a more intelligent player. - He manages to buy himself more time, because there was even that stage in the second half on Saturday when we were starting to come a little bit under pressure, and he received the ball not too far outside the villa box to the left-hand side as we were from behind the name style. Managed to buy himself a little bit of time, turn inside, get it past the man, draw a fell, get a free kick. And that's exactly the sort of player he is, whereas Guedier would probably knocked it past the man the other side, run the ball into touch, and everyone would have clapped him because of the energy he'd shown, not taking into account the fact that his decision-making's fundamentally not as good. I mean, to me, Jordan March is a very clever player between the lines, and that sort of player doesn't always, unless they're scoring all the time, get a huge amount of acclaim. He's certainly the sort of player, I think. He's technically very adept at first touches, usually very sharp. He started pretty slowly at Palace, and because of that, I think it's gonna be a little bit difficult for him to shake off that those initial perceptions, 'cause people come to snap judgments quite quickly and then don't like to be proven wrong. - Do you think it's also case of selective memory? I mean, looking at the Twitter and also the forums, there seem to be, there's this kind of attitude to certain players that they make one, make a couple of mistakes. I mean, well, and that is the focus, and then other players can make similar mistakes, and they don't even get mentioned. So for example, Damien Delaney misplaced, I think, two passes. And on both occasions, they were simple passes that he should have done better with. Then again, Dan misplaced the pass- - Dan passed on in the first half. - And they had a clear run on goal, and it had it not been for McCarthy, who I thought was brilliant again. We could have been one-nil down at that point, and with much, do you think that that is also case that there is that kind of selective memory that-- - You know, there's not a sexy player, I think, and I think a lot of idealism goes into football, doesn't it? And we like certain players regardless of what they do. And I don't think much as the enemy can be anyone's favorite, probably because of what Street was saying about sort of weird language style, but I think he's very good. I think he's very intelligent. I think he finds space between the lines that, to be honest, Punchham wasn't really doing in the first half, but Punch had a bit of an off game really on Saturday. So I think March has got a lot to offer. He's still quite young as well, and it just seems to me that almost that kind of Dougie Friedman style kind of intelligence that trying to find space and use the ball well, knowing when to draw a foul, and when to knock it on. So I'm excited by him. I think there's a lot more to come to him. Much more, if you will. Thank you, good night. He's also got a bit of aerial presence about them as well, which not a lot of people have spoken about so far. I mean, yeah, it's kind of a cognitive bias thing, isn't it? People know what they're looking out for in a player, so that when it then conforms to that preconception, that they feel they've been vindicated, so people will always speak about Gen X passing without necessarily looking at the individual match. Whether it is, you know, past completion rate and Ed Malia right now is coming out in shivers, but whether it's past completion rate has been decent, or whether he's given the ball way a huge amount in that particular match. But they'll remember the one misplaced pass from Gen X in that particular match, because maybe there is an overall trend, or maybe it's just a preconception they've got. Similarly, people were looking for it in Jordan much on Saturday, probably. Same with Alex McCarthy, same with Damian Delaney, you know. Pard, you said that Delaney was his man on the match. I think that the way that he handled Gested, who is a really challenging player, he did a brilliant job. He got, he took an early knock as well. You know, I think it's their times when players that probably deserve a bit of credit don't always get them. - And those who don't, you know, it's the nature of football, I guess. - Or on the flip side, someone on Twitter, and I can't remember who it was, was saying that Murray had a bit of an off game in the first half, and had that been Connor Wickham. Then a lot of fans would be saying, "Oh, this is all a waste of money on Wickham." That was rubbish. - I mean, yes. - Because it was muzzle, maybe we give him a bit more sort of leeway. - Well, I suppose, and that's quite unnatural, you know, that's going to happen because he's built up a certain amount of capital and credit amongst palace fans, and is able to, you know, probably get away with a bad performance a little bit more than someone who's a little bit new, and it's come into, you know, perhaps not quite the acclaim that Murray has. But yeah, it's an interesting one is, you know, the player who has dispossessed most on the entire pitch on Saturday was Sako. Not many people probably will have registered that, or have had the sort of slight boredom that they did during their lunchtime. I had to have a look at those particular stats. But equally, Sako managed to get five shots on target, and, you know, what catches a fan's eye more, someone who's retained a possession really competently, or someone who's shooting a ball all the time, you know, it's going to be-- - And maybe it's why, maybe it's why people are saying, 'cause I've sat there, I was like, "Well, Kibai didn't have a great game, did he?" But I'd like to see his stats, 'cause I imagine Kibai probably retained possession more than anyone on the pitch and uses it very well. But because he's not made, he didn't score a goal, or made a, you know, defense-fitting pass, you think he's had a bad game, and same with Sako, I actually thought Sako was really average on Saturday, and everyone was raving about him, and yeah, he scored a brilliant, brilliant goal, and that's a great way to make your debut, but I actually did remember the miss play passes, and the crosses did meet the first man, and a couple of suchs that were heavy, so I didn't think he had a brilliant game, but again, maybe I'm focusing on the wrong thing, it's 'cause five shots on target, some aggressive play, a goal he's taking people on, maybe that's what we should be focusing on instead. - And arguably, you could say that he might not have been included, had it not been for Yannick Balassie's omission as a result of his father's passing, which I think will wanna wish him and his family - Absolutely, yeah. - Well, in the next couple of weeks, 'cause I'm sure it's judging by what people have said, it sounds like his father was quite a strong influence on his life, and so I thought it was Yannick. In terms of the line up, well, in terms of the goal score is really, we mentioned Sako, Scott Dan scored a remarkable header, when you look at the challenge he was under at that point, he essentially just picked up, I can't remember who the defender was. - It was clear and clerk, he essentially picked him up and just walked with him towards the ball. Is that, I mean, our set pieces are clearly one of our greatest tools. Do you think that teams actually worry about them? - Well, they must think, you've only got look at the numbers, like we've scored more set pieces in the time the party who's been in charge than anyone else. No, that was in, it was not match of the dough, it was not the dough, they reeled out that stat, and you could, it was very good stat. I mean, a lot of that is to do with the quality of the delivery that usually comes in from the likes of Punching, and now also could buy you'd imagine, we'll also contribute to that, but the aerial presence of Scott Dan is just phenomenal. Like, the guy's desire to get to the ball, his leap, I mean, he's not, he doesn't come across as quite so much as a monster as the guy I'm about to mention, but just in some ways, his desire to get to it, just reminds me a little bit of the manager of Vijic, just in terms of his sort of pure sort of drive to get it. - Yeah, to get on the end of that delivery, and it always puts in a pretty good contact when he wins. - I just realised that I said they're punched in a very good game, and of course he got the assist for Dan's goal, so that is obviously worth mentioning. And that's what you get with Punch, isn't it? Even if he is a bit off the game, his delivery is still absolutely spot on, and I think one of the best in the league, so. Yeah, I think, and clearly set pieces work for us, so that should be something that we should be trying to do more of this season. We've got people, we've got people like Dan in the box, and he's such a beast, and why not? Why not try and get more goals from set pieces? - So we ended up getting a win out of it, probably not entirely deserved. Tim Shower didn't think so. Do you think that on the whole, I mean, for me, on the whole, the performance was probably worthy of all three points. They brought on a Dan the Triore, who I thought was terrifying, and I think the Palace players thought so too. I guess it's just a case that that's probably what we want to round off this part on, that the fact that it might not have been a result that on the face of it we deserve, but ultimately it's games like this that you need to win in order to build up and keep going. - Well, just on that particular point, I didn't think we were fantastic, but I didn't think Villa were particularly great other than Triore either. I thought that a lot of their players seem to consist of hoisting in long balls to Gestet and then hoping for knockdowns and to pick up bits and pieces around him. And there's a guy I followed quite closely on Twitter called Michael Cayley, who's one of these studs, guys, and he produced a little models of each particular game and it's all based around sort of the type of chances created and sort of where they're created and to whom they fall, et cetera. And his model made us worthy winners in that particular game. So I thought that was sort of worth, I don't know, although, you know, we might have been under par a little bit, we're probably still significantly better than Villa is a team. And I thought we were still just about betting them on the day. Yeah, another day because it's such a thin margin as it could have been in draw, but I don't think we were bad value for a win. Doesn't that show our progress that we're a bit disappointed with the performance, but we still got a win? We were a bit disappointed not to get anything from the Arsenal game, even Arsenal were better than us, but we still would have challenged them. We're progressing as a club, you know, progressing as a team on the pitch. To have started off with six points in three matches, it's not a bad record really, is it? Brilliant, I think it's as much as we could have hoped for, certainly with the next three games. I mean, obviously we could have hoped for nine, three, obviously, mathematically, yeah. I wasn't actually going to be facetious for that. But you had your face said facetiousness. It's just my face. Your resting face. You've got a facetious resting face. No, but certainly with the next three games, come on up, we had to get a result. And, you know, it's the first time, we're three years in Premier League now, it's the first time we've had a decent start on the season. The last two have been tricky, we've actually got a decent start now. And the word is that Pardee, is someone who struggles at the start of the season, so it's an interesting one, isn't it? Myth busted. There we go. Well, join us in part two, where we will answer some of your questions. (upbeat music) Welcome back to part two of the five-year plan podcast. - Really? - That was a really sharp start. - That was weird. - This podcast is brought to you by JC Innovation and Strategy, the Global Research and Brand Consultancy from South London. Visit JC-IS.com, as well as vector printing, and that's www.vector.co.uk, and that's vector with her. - Kay, and what do vector do? What is the point about? - They do embroidery, essentially. We learned a lot about that last week with Doc Brown's needs. - Did you? - Really? - Lots of needs. - I've got a major. - Yeah, he's really needy for embroidery. - Good. - So yeah, so yeah, they do all that kind of stuff. And JC-IS do brand consultancy. - They do. - And they're better than Corbin. - They are. - Better than Corbin. - But we're not gonna compare them in any way to any form of deity, including Jesus Christ. - Good. - Better than Corbin, I think. That's good. That's strong. - Would you say he's hot right now? - In terms of scale. Would you say that, where do you think JC-IS? - I think JC-IS could probably fill more town halls than Jeremy Corbin, but probably couldn't feed as many people as Jesus Christ, just to placate all the Christians out there. And I'm really sorry. - But what about... - But now what about... - But now what about all the staunch left-wing labour supporters that you've just... - You're really upset. - Yeah. - You're not gay. - No, I'm gonna flip-flop. Next part. - I'm gonna go and talk about it. - One next, it'll be better than Jeremy Closin, which I think we can all agree is fact. - That's true. That is true. - That's just a fact. - Yeah. - Right, so this part is questions. - Yeah. - So we've got a load of questions this time. Len Hurst. - Oh, hi Len. - Hi Len. - He asked, we talked about much a little bit earlier on in the first section, but after Galen much came on, we played on the park instead of in the air. We always look to do that when we... We always look better when we do this. Does anyone agree? - I think we forgot to mention to our girl. Didn't we? I don't think we mentioned Galen once in part one. I don't think he did that much, but it was good to see him play. What was the question? I'm sorry, I was thinking about it. - Basically, are we better playing? We seem to make changes and then play the ball in the ground a lot more when we do. Is that... Does anyone agree? Do you agree, Andy? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Sorry, I'm not Andy. But yeah, carry on. - Yeah, I agree. - Great. - Great. (laughing) - What? Do we prefer seeing the ball play on the ground? - I guess the question is basically, I can't believe we have to, I have to kind of go into a bit more detail about this. So basically, I think the question really is, we seem to start matches with an approach that is a bit more focused on providing an aerial threat. Do you think that it's better that we play it on the ground and do the changes that we make at halftime tend to... - When you take off Glen Murray and bring on Dwight Gail, then you're going to have to play it on the ground more. Although Gailie, to be fair, does win a fair few headers, but you can't then start. - And Jordan much played it, played the headers a lot more. - True. - But I think you were buying my little guard front, you were naturally going to play it more on the floor. I think to be honest, it depends on who you're playing. I mean, you can't, against Arsenal last weekend, we were sort of lobbing balls into the box for Wickham. And against Permatosaki, you're never going to win him. So maybe it depends on who you're playing as. We'd all love to see Palace playing sexy football on the floor, but it doesn't always work out like that. I think sometimes the nature of the game of the floor, the game dictates as to how you need to play. And if you've got to change it up, like we said in the first half, party's ready to do, then that's fine. - I think that answered the question, doesn't it? - Yeah, Andy's nodding. - Good question. - Nodding works really well on Radio. - Good nodding, yeah. - Wayne, who's Twitter handle is winzy, winszy, I guess. - Hi, winszy. - Do we think that Charlie Austin would be the elusive 20 goal of the season striker for us? - Right, there are. This has been covered a lot, but. Okay, I'm going to go off in the game. - Come on, Andy. - So. So. Number one, he's not scored 20 goals in the Premier League anyway, even when he was playing in a 4-4-2, where he had a batting ram to provide service to him on a plate at all times. Number two, he only played one season at Premier League level. So you're talking about a still a pretty small sample size. Anyone can have a purple patch of a season. Number three, he doesn't necessarily always put in the amount of work or have quite the physical presence that you want of a big man up top in the type of system that we play. And he's not going to come, I mean, 50 million pounds. It isn't that expensive for a striker these days, you know. You've only got to look at the fact that it wasn't that great, who went to Burnley from Brentford the other day for nine million quick in the championship. You know, you're going to pay a reasonable amount for a striker, no matter who, particularly of their English. No, I'm not convinced, Charlie Austin would come here and score 20 goals as a striker, because very few strikers in the Premier League score over 20 goals, you know, you're looking at, I've said this time after time, you're looking at the likes of Aguero, Kane, and very, very few who ever go over that threshold. And there's a reason that Sergio Aguero would cost if anyone was going to be able to sign him. If you're going to be a successful Premier League side now, it's not just about having an AJ like we had sort of 10, 15 years ago, who would, how many years ago was it now? 10 years ago, so. Who was just going to, is going to contribute 20 goals and there aren't going to be a huge amount of goals coming from L&M team. If you're going to be a successful Premier League team now, you've got to have goals coming from throughout the park, including even occasionally from your centre backs from the type of set pieces we're talking about in the previous part of the pod. And it's not just going to be about going through one particular player. And we managed to achieve 10th last season without having a 20 goal of season striker. Man, you know, I've managed to make champions lead places last season without having a 20 goal of season striker. It's just not the way football works these days. - Do you think it's also the factor? - I wish him a city. - They're quite good at football, so. - You look at the teams that were relegated. Burnley had Danyings and he's gone to Liverpool and is he injured or is he just not playing? I mean, the point I'm trying to make is that relegated teams tend to have a single focal point and that's what Charlie Austin was for QPR, just as Danyings was for Burnley. Do you think that that kind of played a part as well? - I think so. You know, as has been said, he played in a 4-4-2 that was kind of geared around some more of Dany's work-ups of, but which left them far more vulnerable as a team. Would have had the same effect had he played up there on his own and they'd taken a slightly more, I don't know, progressive approach to how they set themselves up, maybe. The thing is, I'm not gonna write the guy off because he has clearly scored goals every level up to the Premier League and then had a good season in the Premier League, albeit with the caveats that I've said there. But I think people who are going all out and saying, you know, were we to sign Charlie Austin, it would mean another four places up the lead table. It's just, it's just fanciful to my mind. - I agree. Although I'd like to say, there's been rumours that Loey Remi might be back on because Chelsea are potentially 'cause of their dodgy start looking for another striker. So, for that to happen, I actually think Remi could be that guy that could maybe take us to net level, but Charlie Austin, I agree, are not convinced, certainly not for 15 minutes. - I think it's been a lot to talk about both, and I think, to some extent, the ship might have sailed with both of them, really. - I hope not. I'm holding out for Remi. - Ben Allen, once again, the HF were prevented from doing their display. Do you think the club are right in their decision, and is there a possibility that they might be risking the support? - I think we've got to be careful about how much we say, 'cause in all these sort of situations, you're gonna get rumour and counter rumour and sort of implications and counter implications. It sounds from what's been said that the council had some form of involvement with some things, and it does sound like the council were being overly officious, the extent to which the club are involved with that council involvement isn't really entirely clear at this stage. Obviously, the issue with Adrian Roberts being appointed to the club has caused a bit of rupture with some fans and has been badly received, whether or not it's him that's responsible for the slightly more officious approach that we've seen this season. I wouldn't necessarily like to say that lots of people are inferring from his previous involvement with the Met that it's solely down to him. And obviously, what we want to see is, we want to see the displays, so we don't want to, and I don't want to sound like a Daily Mail reader who starts going on, Daily Mail readers are fine, if you're listening, who wants to go on about health, if they're safer, it's gone mad or anything like that. Things do have, these displays do have to be done safely. But equally, it seems that, I thought the club's statement was slightly misguided in terms of its tone. It seems to me that there was already an ongoing dialogue between the HF and the club. And the manner which it was state was just overly emphatic. I think that maybe the point behind the statement was really the club trying to show that they were doing something about it publicly, which perhaps they needed to do with regards to the council. Perhaps there's a safety certificate and everything else, but either way, really, the impression I get is that there, with the initial display, there was a mix-up in communication, and perhaps with this second incident where they weren't able to perform their display, sounds like they're cheerleaders or something, but they weren't able to perform against Aston Villa before the Aston Villa match, that perhaps that was in reaction, that there was some kind of reaction from the council. Can I just say, I don't think we should have the HF doing cheerleader routines on the pitch, can I just confirm we don't want that happening? It's bad enough having his complete cloud ladies doing it. Anyway, rounding that one off, that was a good question. We've got a question from Colin Squires, who asks, "Do we think that 5 million for Murray "would be an acceptable fee, "as in would you actually accept it if it's--" - So I'm gonna have to give a shout out here to Kevin Thompson, friend of the port, who has a little rant about this particular subject. Every time it comes up, he gets really annoyed with people who go, "Well, I'll take 5 million quick," he goes, "You're not getting the money, "why are you saying this?" But just to annoy Kevin, I'm gonna say, "Yes, I would take that 5 million pounds," 'cause realistically, you've got a guy who's already starting to look like his legs are aging more and more. He looks a little bit off the pace at the start of this season. He had a fantastic end to last season, obviously. You have to wonder whether that was the end-to-summer for him. Yeah, if you were in the club's position, you'd have to think really, really carefully about 5 million quid for 31-year-old, who's recently had crucial issues. Obviously, I'm not gonna see the 5 million quid, Kevin, so I'm not in a position to accept it or not. I would actually disagree. And purely because 5 million to a club like Palace Now, and this seems weird, crazy to say this, given where we were five years ago, isn't that much money? In fact, it's really a drop in the ocean, 'cause considering the money we're gonna make from TV, and prize money, and whatever, blah, blah, blah. And I actually think Murray is more valuable to the squad in terms of his presence, he's an older head, we've already seen him linking up with Wilf and staff, and I don't know how much he helps Wilf, but whatever Wilf is in, and got better. And I think maybe for someone like Wickham, maybe even Bamford to an extent, or the Bamford obviously is only here for a season. I think Muzzo is a sort of person that Wickham could learn a lot from, so, and yeah, that does sound a bit like a cliche, but I think it'd be a shame to lose him, 'cause he's clearly someone that the players look up to. And for 5 million quid, 5 million is not that much money, really, so even I don't think he's really our guy up top long term, I'd like to see him stay, 'cause I think he offers a lot behind the scenes. - To me, I can't, I agree with you, JD, actually. I think that, oh, I saw you both, so. But I think that firstly, I think he hasn't had a great start, but we're only three games in. And I think people probably allow that to almost paint their judgment a little bit. I think Glenn Murray is also someone who has the experience that you would help to carry us through. And as you say, 5 million pounds. Now, let's say, for example, that he scores four goals this season, and that's it. Now, if those four goals come in situations where either drawing Milne or where they're key contributors, those goals can make enough difference for us to actually get the money at the end of the season. And if that, with the experience he has, I think that there is definitely the potential for him to score that many, if not more. - What about if an alternative in his position, which got more than four goals? - Well, this is true. But you can never guarantee anything like that. - It's just a lawyer thing. - And you can't, even for Murray, you can't guarantee that he'll score. But the other thing to bear in mind is that there is some talk about Shammak potentially being injured, until there were some rumors on Twitter about him potentially being injured. - Although he looked right, so in the dizzy penalty, didn't he? Did you see that? He did very well. - And then also, Wickham is currently injured as well, so what's the dizzy penalty? - They did a video. - He's been around on the board. - He's been around for like 10, 10 minutes. - And then trying to, it's been going around that the Twitter sphere, the Palace did it today. - It's really good. - They clearly did not do that today, 'cause everyone knows that there's been a monsoon in itself on the today. - No, they probably didn't have an early early last week. - I was looking good shape. - Either way, it could well be that he and Wickham are out for the next week or two, like a couple of weeks. - Was it still Wickham? Why wasn't he playing on Saturday? - He was injured, from what they said. But it could be that, we don't know exactly what the recovery time is for him. But I think that you need depth and-- - I agree. - At the moment, unless we make another signing in that attacking position, we can't really-- - The only thing with Murray is, he's a player that's worked up through the league in his career. He's been brilliant for us, called 30 goals in the championship, drive us to promotion. He's been a great servant, and at 33, 34, wherever it already is. - 31. - Is he really only 31? - Yeah. - He's the same age as me. - Yeah, I look so much better than he is. - I think that's awesome. - And if, no, but if, someone like that, if they want to play games, and they want to leave to play games, then I don't think we can begrudge him because he deserves it. Is there on the right to go and play games somewhere else? And if he really wants to leave, he's not happy with being a backup player, then I don't think we can stand in his way. And I don't think most Palace fans would begrudge him going to get first in football. - Lovely stuff, great question. Simon Kelly. - Hi, Simon. - Twitter handle, Simon Kelly's 1759, asks, kind of along the same vein, Murray or Wickham, Zaha, or Sacco Doritos with chips or cheese board? - Well, obviously a cheese board. - I guess it's a choice between, you've got to make the choice between the two of each. So, what were the first? - Murray or Wickham? - Wickham. - Zaha or Sacco? - Zaha. - And then Doritos with dips or cheese board? - Cheese board, easy. - I'd probably go with the same choices, to be honest. - Yeah, I think so too. We're full disclosure, we are eating a cheese, essentially a cheese board. - Right now, with, yes. - This is the most middle class podcast ever. - Well, I think Mike's last week was pre-middle class, especially with the wine that we had as well. - You had wine as well? - Yeah, James, you've liked us now. - I'm kind this bit. - Oh, sorry. - Are you really? - Oh, wait a minute. - Anyway, okay, and then moving on, is it encouraging that we have, on the topic of Sacco, is it encouraging that we have a winger who loves to shoot and seems pretty good at it too? - Yeah, well that's one thing Parge has said, isn't it? And recently, towards end of the last season, he wanted Will from Yarlas to score more goals. And I imagine that Sacco has been brought with that in mind, because he's a guy that scored quite a few goals for Wolves and has a decent shot, a very powerful shot. He absolutely, he larips it, doesn't he, straight to borrow one of your phrases? It was not your phrase, he didn't make it up, but you do like saying it. But I think, yeah, that is, I mean, you said earlier, straight on the pod, that we want more goals to come from more positions. So if you've got a winger who likes to shoot and score goals, then that's only going to improve the side. I think Sacco has still got improving to do and to step up from the championship, but he's loot. - And he's taken this level before to be first, but it's going to take him a little while, 'cause people forget that since he last played in the Premier League, he went down to League One with Wolves, 'cause he stayed loyal to him, more a single handling fire than back up into the championship, then pretty much nearly single handling fire them into the playoffs although they didn't make it. It's a very different pace of football at this level. So, albeit that I did say in the 86th minute, he's clearly a championship player and in the 87th minute, he scored the winner in a Premier League match in his first on his debut. You know, there's going to be some more sharpness to come from him, and I think it's technique when he's shooting is lovely, his decision-making will need to step up a gear. - He's got a lovely left foot, don't he? - He has got a lovely left foot. I mean, there were a couple of occasions when he shot when I thought he fundamentally shouldn't have the first half on where he was about 30, 60 yards out, this idea of a go went straight down. - But you know, because on match of the day, that was our only highlight. - Yeah, yeah. And he cleared in the first half. - He cleared the one that he fired at Guizan's face. - Not like that. - Fired at Guizan's face up. I felt that he had options in the box that would perhaps, would have been a wise choice. You know, it's going to take a phenomenal shot from there to be Guizan from that type of angle. I'll give him it, he's got it on him, but yeah, you know, he's got a real strike there. - I would say also, he's very, I think he's potentially one of our smileiest players. - He's got a really big smile. - He's got a really big smile. - Yeah, which is, hopefully will come with more goals in the future. - Jack Pierce, again, along the line of Sacco, we really were segueing from one question to the other. He asks, in light of his performance, who was the poor performance? - No. - Okay, well, let's say, let's say for the point of this, let's say it was a good performance. In light of his great performance, do you think that, who do you think, well, who was the best palace debut that you can remember? Who you had the best palace debut from? - That is a good question. - That is a great question, which has now put me on the spot massively. - Well, I remember. I'm probably a prepped you for this, no? - You definitely should have done that. A good host would have done that. - You sent me the questions. - A good host would have done that. Yeah, I didn't read them. I remember Clinton Morrison's debut, I was there for that, and he came-- - Never Wednesday. - Never Wednesday, last game of the season in '98, when we were terrible at home. In fact, there was a second home win in the season, I think. And he came off the bench and scored. He only played like five minutes at the end, so it was difficult to say it was a good debut, but that was one when I think everyone was like, oh, hello. - Lombardo. - Who's this guy? Lombardo scored in this debut, and he was brilliant. And he was at the game. - He was? - If we missed, 'cause we went out a half time. - No idea, 'cause we couldn't hear the announcements, 'cause the home's now a speaker system. - Goodbye. - As well, scored in his debut. - For me, really random. One of the two players that I really remember, and I'm just going to say David, usually, isn't he? - No, no, David. - Richard Harris. - Funnily enough, it's around that era. Tommy Black and Julian Gray, from what I remember, they both played brilliantly. The first game they played. It was almost like they'd come from Arsenal's academy, and they'd just tore it up. - They were good in the first few weeks. - Yeah. - I'll also offer, Matt Janssen, I think he scored in his debut away at Aston Villa. - Oh, brilliant. - Was that his debut? Or was it his first start, but certainly one of his first beat three men in this match game from him? - Well, we're now just talking about people who scored in the debuts. - Was that Tommy in the score, so he did. - Wasn't that the question? - Didn't we have that game? - Where Tommy scored in his debut, and did Lesley score in his game? - He scored in the score game, same game. - Yeah, I think he did. - So that was the best debut game. - Home to the next game. - Let's go with that as a best debut. - Yeah, we'll go with the West Brom one. Even though Tommy obviously went on to star for us with a long and prestigious career for Palace. - That was a good question, Jack. - Very good question. - Lee John Hughes, he asks, with all the new players that we've seen arrive, is the re-signing of Dan our best acquisition? - Yes. - Yes, easily. - Yeah, without doubt. - We were saying it's not in the pub afterwards. - Can you imagine the season we could potentially have, and I'm still worried about it now, if Scott Dan gets injured? - Well, we discussed this last time, didn't we? There was this kind of apocalyptic look at how awful things could be. - Classic Palace. - Well, I mean, 'cause he is, I think, if anyone wants to disagree with me about this, then they're wrong. He's the best centreback we've had at Palace for the last 30 years. - Oh, yeah, I mean, he's good. I mean, people love fans of that 1990 year, and we'll probably say that Andy Thorne-- - Well, they're very young and also old, and won't be able to chase herself to make particularly fast. So, I'm still sticking with it. - He's definitely one of our best centrebacks. - And he's also far about, I'm not gonna say anything disrespectful to Daymo, or to Hangaland, who I think are very competent defenders, but neither of whom are at the level that Scott Dan is. So, yeah, it's been a massive coup to him. - No, but Scott, that has, Daymo has improved immeasurably from playing alongside Scott. - I've got some cool-- - In fairness to Hangaland, in his prime, he was, you know, there was a point where he was, he was wanted by Arsenal and a couple of other clubs. He was on top of his game at that point. Well, Jim Cannon in his prime was pretty good, too, but you're not gonna-- - He's not back to his prime, are you? We're in the point. - Johnny Burnin' in his prime was good, but, you know, he didn't play for it. - But Pete, you've sent us an upfront. Why not? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, what was the question? What was the question? - Just whether we'd get it assigning Dan to new contracts-- - Well, if we'd lost Dan to Everton in the summer, and we'd still assign goodbye and Wickham, we wouldn't leave me talking about that. We'd still be talking about what we're gonna do and send him back. And we do need another defender, and I don't know if we're gonna get one or not in this window, but-- - Michael Hector's been smoking out, isn't he? - Who? - The young Reading Defender. He's been spending the last seven or eight years online. - I'm glad I brought that up just to expose JD. - That's great, that's all right. - Yeah, we still do it now, sitting in naked. It's really awkward. - Well, it's my house. - Yeah, another defender, please. - Okay, great. Miles Loudon asks-- - I'm asked. - Yep, that, yeah. - With Gail and Jedi getting game time on Saturday, was that confirmation that they're in Pargy's plans, or do you think he's putting him in the shop window? - Oh, that's a good question. - Good question. - That's a good question. I suppose there's only one person who could really answer that, to be honest, and it's, I don't know, Genak, I felt, showed up that sort of defensive box in front of the center back after he came on. So, you think it'd be a little bit reticent of Pargy to let him and let Lee go and to not retain anyone in the squad like him. Gail, you know, there's been talk about bids. Apparently, we accepted the one from Bristol City, so you do wonder whether it's a shop window point with him. There's a little spin talk of, you know, Brides and Vivitate the Interested Bournemouth, Vivitate the Interested. You'd think that if a sufficiently big bid came in, that he might be off if it's a move that he wants to make as well. - I think it's interesting, actually, on the subject of Gail's bid, that perhaps for Palace, it was an opportunity to say to Dwight Gail, they aren't actually the clubs that are being linked coming forward to bid for you when that bid comes in. Like Bristol City put a bid in, and, you know, all that kind of talk of maybe Bournemouth, potentially Norwich, neither of those sides came in. You know, there is that question of whether it was, you know, could it have been gamesmanship in order to try and show him that actually staying at Palace isn't such a bad idea, even if you do end up playing on the bench, because then you come on at half time, as he did for us, and could, essentially, have a player part in changing the game. - But that's, if he wants to be a Premier League footballer, he needs to understand that he's either going to play in a doomed 4-4-2 type team that decides to persist with him, because he's a goalscorer, or he's going to have to be a bit popular at a team like Palace, and there aren't that many better alternatives to him, I don't think, than being a bit popular at a team like Palace, particularly given that, you know, if what we've heard about the Shammak injury is true, and if we can end up being out for a prolonged period, you're going to need options there. - And he had a good game against Villain. - He came on one of you aerial duels. - It wasn't his best, it wasn't his best performance, but he still contributed. - Yeah. - That's a sit on the fence. I think both of them, Jedi and Gail, still have roles to play for Palace. It's a long season. You're going to have some games, as we said previously. - It's only two halves. (laughs) - But it's not just about his one game, yeah. - It's a game, it's 100. There'll be some games where you need an enforcer, you will need Jedi in some games, and there'll be some games where you will need Gail, will be chasing a result, and you'll need fresh legs against them. Oh my God, I'm just rolling out the cliche. - Yeah, actually a football cliche, I mean she. - I am, it's quite impressive. - For me, they both got, I would like to see them both stayed. They both, I think, are important players. Maybe not first team, and Jedi, I think, isn't maybe quite as imperative as they used to be in terms of regular action, but I still think they're both important players. - I guess it's a conundrum for the two players as well, because they both know what the consequences are. If they do stay unequally, they could well have the opportunity to move on if they want it. - Good question. - Yeah, very good question. - This is a good question, isn't it? - Top question. - Kevin Childs is our team. - Hi, Kevin. - What do you think of Blassie to Spurs? I mean, there was talking in the Croydon advertiser today that has since been seemingly, since been dismissed. - Really appropriate to publish that around time that he's on Compassionately. - It's not great, it's unfortunate timing, but I mean, do you think that 20 million, if that is the quoted price, or 19 million, do you think that's a realistic valuation of him, and would you? - I take it. I would take it 20 million. - Kevin Childs, he loves that. He really can upset someone else. - So, I'm sorry. I love y'all a bit, so I think he's absolutely brilliant, and he's just, he's so good to watch. And again, like Sacco, I don't know why this is important to me, but a very smiley player, and I like smiley players. Not that that really matters at all. - I think 20 million, I think that would be good for Palace. I just do, I think that is probably these days. I know valuations are crazy these days, but I think that probably is a bit more than he's worth, and we could use that money well. I don't know, but would maybe it be feeling like we're kind of missing out if he goes. I don't know, I would don't take it. - I think it's one of the very, very few mooted deals that you hear, where you think that would be bad for all parties. I think Yannick would be under instant expectation to be for that top six level, which I don't think he's actually capable of at this moment. I think we lose a player who seems to always fit perfectly into our system, albeit with certain limitations. We all know that Yannick isn't quite as decisive in the final dead as perhaps he should be, but you know you're going to get the sort of physicality with him, the directness, the ability to beat your first man to occupy players, and to really worry up position of fallbacks and wingers who you have to track back to go with him. Perhaps struggle, albeit you've got Sakoween now, but perhaps struggle to find an equivalent type of player to change certain types again for a huge amount, less than 20 million, because of the craziness of football prizes these days, and Tottenham would undoubtedly be buying an overvalue, so I think all parties should just not bother. - I personally think it would be a real shame to see Yannick go, firstly. - Oh definitely. - And as critical as this might be a point, I don't think Spurs would actually be that much of a step up for Yannick, I think that he could do better. If, you know, give it another season and really, you know, really impose himself, and he could do better than that. The other thing is, I think Palace fans sometimes look at a player and think, well, you know, Yannick are, well, you know, all his creativity, you know, he doesn't score enough goals, he doesn't create enough, but the thing is, that's not always what he plays. Like, that's not, that's not always his role. You look at the way that he, the work that he does, and then compare that to Sacco at the weekend where it left our wing back exposed. You know, our wing backs were left very exposed during the first half, especially. Yannick is the kind of player that puts, that has made that position, that wing position, his own where he's essentially, with a player like Yannick, you're essentially playing two wing backs, because Yannick works that wing so much, and losing a player like that takes a lot of time to adapt to, because he's got to find someone who fits into that model and does exactly the same work that Yannick did, you know, and you have to hope that they can do that in the beginning. - And can you exactly hit the ground running, which of course we didn't need for Yannick, because Yannick was a punt, you know, on a player that wasn't playing another club. - And we've struggled. - And we've progressed into a great player. - I think Street's right, I don't think it'd be, Spurs be the wrong move for him, I think they'll think he'd fit in, and it'd be a massive shame to lose him, but going back to the question of the valuation, I do think $20 million is probably a fair price. - Perfect, one more question, which is probably not really football-related or FYP-related, but anyway, we tend to have some cheeses. - No, it's not, no, we're allowed, we've decided we were allowed one, like lift, field question, okay, so without fun that we have a quote of four questions. - We're trying that for new season, that was the idea for the new season as well. - So with the shitty weather, what's your favourite anti-water device, a classic umbrella or a rainmack? - Oh, umbrella every day of the week, it's classier. - What about a rainmack? - I'm not an umbrella mat, I've got an umbrella, but only because it's too warm to wear a rainmack, and I need to keep an eye on it. - Depends on the rainmack, you're thinking of, 'cause you can get these quite nice sort of indie rainmacks that are quite cool, I bet. Like the old style kind of like a... - Cagal weirdo, cagal ones, don't know if that is. - The thing is, I work in London, and when it rains, you end up with all these umbrella fascists walking around who have no idea that there are other people who are not carrying umbrellas, and they just poke you in the eye, they're hitting the head. - But do you know what, that is genuinely one of my life's fears is getting my eyes poked out by umbrellas spikes. - It's infuriating, and so now, as I'm walking along, I have to actually pre-plan my route just to make sure that I'm missing out on all the umbrellas. - I agree about that. - They just have a clue. So for me, I would say that... - But an umbrella used properly, I think will keep you dryer than a rainmack. - Properly used umbrella. - Yeah, which I can't do, I just struggle with umbrellas, so I still managed to get really wet, despite having one. - You know what, I tell you what, the answer to that is spin it, spin the umbrella every now and then, when it's really dripping down with rain, spin it a little bit, and it will get rid of the rain. - Plus, then you look just quite drawn to you, and you're spinning a little bit. - And sometimes, if you want to do it to the side, you end up looking like some of those. - Cagal, yeah, yeah, exactly. - So yeah, there you go. - I'm just the pull of this. - Thanks for that question, Rob's up. - That was a good question. - I thought it was really good. That was from Michael Casey. - Okay, thanks, Michael. - Thanks, Michael, that was really good. So anyway, we'll round it off at Scott Point. - Thank you, Scott, Michael. - Sorry, I thought-- - Cheers, Michael, if you've discussed it down in history, you've done well in life, or not, that's true. - Yeah, this is true. There are plenty of people who are. Anyway, moving on, catch up with us in part three, where we'll discuss the Shrewsbury game, and then the Chelsea fixture at the weekend. (techno music) - And welcome back to part three of the five-year plan pod cards. - Three! - Brought to you by J.C. Innovation and Strategy, the global research and brand consultancy from South London, visit jc-is.com. - Better than Jeremy Clarkson. - That's true. - More tune for the John Kyle. - Oh, more good. - More good even Jesus Christ. - Aw, you ruined it. - Sorry. And then also, Vector Printing, which is at www.vector.co.uk. And that's Vector with us. - Yay! - Excellent. So we're moving on to talk about Palace's upcoming fixtures. So we've got Shrewsbury tomorrow night, which is Tuesday night for anyone listening after tomorrow, 'cause that happens too. So if they're listening after then, then what are surprising, when it was for Shrewsbury, it'd be incredible. - Oh, amazing. - We should have formed as well. You know, Shrewsbury, we've never been to Shrewsbury. - We've never been to Shrewsbury, yeah. - I think we have, like, once a couple of times. - Oh, yeah, a couple of times. - We went in the 80s. - In the 80s, yeah. - Through a run, I've never been to Shrewsbury. - So yeah, congratulations Shrewsbury. They're probably gonna be playing Chelsea in the next round or something like that. - Just as well that Kevin's not here, or this will be like a 25-minute segment with him about the Bovie team thing. And all of us looking permute used and end the cock looking off his face for no particular reason. But, yeah, Shrewsbury, hey. - There should be an interesting game, I guess, for Palace fans. We're probably expecting a young squad to take part. Partly mentioned that there would be lots of changes. - Who's out on loan? - 'Cause are any of our youngsters out at the moment or will they be around to buy? - Ryan, in this is out on loan, - Boating to out on loan. - Boating's out on loan. - Kai Kai won't know. - In fact, I think-- - No, I don't think he's coming back up. - No, no, yeah, he's supposed to be going to a championship side, apparently. Every loan player that played this weekend, actually, was on a winning side. So they-- - Well done, well done then. - But anyway, it does look like there'll be changes. - Or will it be a team that has some fringe players? So we'll-- - Given that debt level, good, your Jedi might start-- - I don't marry that one. - Bad him, bad him. - Bad him, probably. - Bad him, probably. - I don't know. - I think you'll see a second string here. You'll see, you probably see, you might want to start with a whole thing. - It'll be the side that starts on the bench with a couple of other-- - You know, that's a good-- - I mean, yeah, our second string now. - Kelly is one. - As good as most, a lot of first teams down at the bottom of the Premier League. If you've got a Jedi and Ledley, as you're back in your backup midfielders, bloody hell, that's a great squad. - To me, it must be difficult for Pargy, because you're basically, you've got this squad that helped to secure us the Premier League status last season. And you're now essentially saying to them, "Well, you're good enough for the League Cup." With the lights of Ledley, especially, who Mike Wicks loves, but he does have a great bid. He does have a great bid. - Oh, he has a good bid. - And Jedi as well. You know, we've got these players who really, in fairness, could be playing for another Premier League side in the bottom, in the lower half. And then not. And so they're going to be playing against Shrewsbury. Do you think that they're going to be fighting for an opportunity to start? Or is there that opportunity to come? - Oh, it's going to be difficult for them in some ways in that the Toronto window hasn't got that many days, left now, and all bit, you know, that most footballers who play at that level will probably back themselves to get into the team. You know, obviously, fans are going to be speculating on forums and on Twitter and on Facebook about who should start. But if I'm Joe Ledley, I'm going, I'm as good as any of these new fielders. I offer something that they don't. I've been part of a successful team here. I've not got a Joe Ledley bid. - No, I've got to look at your bid. You'll know any of Joe Ledley. - But, you know, I play like him may well back himself to be able to force himself back into contention. You can see that there'll be certain situations where he would be a reasonable shout to go in that midfield against certain teams. So, I suppose it all ultimately depends on who comes in for any of these players, and then they're going to have to weigh it up to a certain extent. - I don't think as well, like you can't judge a player, a Premier League player, if you're in another club looking at them, looking at Jedi, and he plays well against Shrewsbury. That's not an even play movement for Pardude. It's highly unlikely then that a player playing well against Shrewsbury will suddenly start against Chelsea, let's be honest. - No, unless like Gayle scores 10 goals or something, then I don't think he's going to squeeze himself back into the first team. But, I really, I think these games, I mean, with all due respect to Shrewsbury, here we go, cliche, number 20 for me. These games I think are a good chance for younger players who won't get many opportunities this season to show what they can do. I hope Kae Kae plays, if he's not out on loan, this is how much I know about the coach. I hope it, because he's really exciting talent and I'd like to see him give an opportunity. And there's some other younger players as well, whose names has kicked me. - Keshie Anderson, who played today, scored four goals. - He's got four goals. - He's unlikely that he'll play two games in a row, but yeah, he's scored four goals. - I'd be surprised if you got, you know, a girl will start on that one, I think. - Yeah, I would imagine so. Do you think it's realistic to, without wishing to jinx it, is it realistic to expect Palace to win this? - No, not at all. No, I'd make Shrewsbury very heavy favourites. - I think they are with most bookies. - Yeah. - And given the choice, do you think the League Cup is a good opportunity for us as a competition to pursue? - I don't think Podgey will take it super seriously, unless we sort of force our way through to that stage. - Clearly, which can come because of a, you know, it can come with a run. You have plenty of teams who may get to the semi-final without even trying to take me hard from the Premier League. So, you know, if we get to the court finals, then he'll probably start taking it seriously, until then you'll probably see some. - I'd like us to. I think we're talking about under progress at Palace. I think we're at a stage now where, you know, a good cut run isn't beyond the realms of possibility. So, yeah, basically what I'm saying is I think we definitely should win the League Cup. - So we're moving on from Shrews to Chelsea. - Yeah. - It's obviously going to be a completely different challenge. Are we talking, you know, who do you think is, do you, sounds great, doesn't it? (laughs) So desperate to get this out. Do you think we'll start with the same line-up, as we did on Saturday, or are we going to, should we look a little bit more defensively? - More than I would have. John Terry out, obviously. So that's going to be a big blow for us. And I think other than that, we'll probably start with, had to be done. (laughs) - Is it realistic for Jedd and I to be playing again, like this? - I mean, Chelsea are massive in the middle of the park. Matich is a bit of a beast. - Oh, my God. - Yeah. - You know, if they decide to, 'cause Fabregas hasn't been playing particularly well for them, then Mikael came on on Sunday against West Brom. Might be that, you know, Mourinho decides just to focus on being a slightly more solid team by playing and Mikael as well. Then you're looking at an incredibly big midfield, particularly given that they want to give a little bit more protection to the center backs than they've been given recently. - And the way that Diego Costo also drifts into midfield sometimes- - He drifts into midfield and he's a horrible, he's brilliant. He is brilliant footballer and he's fantastic at what he does. But he's just horrible. So you kind of know what you're going to get with him. I feel he back hard, sort of, center backs actually to be able to deal with someone like him. But it might be that Pargi decides that because he does sometimes drop deep, that he wants a jet back in there. You'd think that- - I hope so. - You know, Chelsea do tend to be fairly rampant at the bridge. 'Cause, well, I mean, I know they've not started this season particularly well, but what two of those games have been away anyway, in sort of a couple of them, they've been a couple of, you know, marginal decisions that have seen a couple of red cards. - So in that respect, would you say that then having, maybe, punching on the left or on the right and Zaha on the other wing, and then maybe having Kebai in the kind of number 10 role, is that, would that be the way to go forward? - He's never really played a huge amount at number 10, but there again, I think he's got the ability to do so. You know, punch doesn't play the huge amount at number 10 until we started him there at times last season. He started to look really good. I mean, if you've got the basic abilities that Kebai has, which is, you know, awareness, touch, balance, change of direction, passing, shooting, there's no reason why he couldn't play at number 10 if he decided to give him a go there. It would arguably, you know, forsake his really good defensive abilities, 'cause he is clearly very good at anticipating where the ball is gonna fall. He's very good at, you know, putting challenges, winning the ball back, interceptions, et cetera. But yeah, I mean, against the team like Chelsea, if you just want that big horrible bastard that we spoke about last week to be at the base of midfield, maybe, you know, you keep Kebai in the team by pushing him a bit further up. - Do you think, in terms of J.D., do you think in terms of strikers that will stick with Murray, because if Wickham's still injured, or would we end up with Gayle up front? - I'd be surprised if Gayle plays. I think it's gonna be hard for whoever plays that role up top, even though there is no John Terry, 'cause Chelsea have got more big horrible bastards at the back, Zuma has been playing this season and looks good and is absolutely beast. I suspect it might be Muzzer, depending on Wickham's injury. - We'll play one of Muzzer or Wickham's injury. - Yeah, I think if Wickham's fit, he'll play. - Well, obviously we can't play Bamford because you're not allowed to play him against his parent club anyway. And I think it'd be slight lunacy to be honest to start with Gayle in that type of game. I think what we'll end up doing is, you know, playing whichever of Wickham and all Murray is fit, looking sharper in training over the week. And you then expect us to try and kind of focus on the lack of pace that Chelsea have down the side, that Ivanovich is on the right-hand side, where they've looked very vulnerable at times. So it's all this season. - You're absolutely right, Ivanovich has not looked his old self. Is it a game for Jordan March, maybe? Because Jordan March played against Chelsea in the last season at the bridge and was one of our better players. And for me, he's been showing a lot of promise. Does he get a start? I just really like him. I think he's-- - I suppose if you pay him, let's be honest, because I will start every single game. 'Cause the amount you've paid for him. So if you're playing March, he's obviously playing at the number 10 role you'd imagine or possibly just off the strike but sort of be it in that advanced central role. You then got goodbye there. Are you gonna really persist with McCarthy or are you gonna go-- - I think then you need a Jedi. - Yeah, so I mean that would then arguably mean dropping MacArthur, which would be a little bit harsh in them, 'cause he's not done anything wrong. - Yeah. - Either way, it's gonna be a conundrum for Pardier, isn't it? - Yeah, as always really. - Well, I think certainly, you know, I was more scared about going to the bridge for the away game last season than I am right now. Like they have looked defensively fragile at times so far this season. They've conceived a lot of shots. Like again, if you look at the really nerdy stats blogs that I read, they're actually conceived in far, far, far more opportunities all over the pitch than they were last season last season. And we'll remember from the time they played us at Seoul as part where really, if we're honest about it, other than Fraser Campbell's chance, we barely got a sniff. - Yeah. - And you know, they were just incredibly solid, incredibly well disciplined, like retain their shape brilliantly, didn't really let anything down the flanks 'cause as soon as it went down there, you know, they would make sure they're doubling up and they got crossed into the ball there then once there's a centre-back. This season, they're looking a lot more porous and it's no coincidence that they're now thinking about splashing 40 million quid on a centre-back. So yeah, I mean, hopefully Jon Stones isn't there in time for the match to sort of shore them up a little bit. - We have options though. I mean, we've had a good game against them in the last season's run and scared them a bit. So we definitely got chances and it's great that we're going to this game against Premier League champions at their place and we're not just assuming we're going to get rolled over. We're assuming that Palace will give them a game. - On the subject of giving them a game, what do you think your prediction's going to be? - Five-nil Chelsea. - 10-nil Palace. No, I think it's going to be close. I think two-one Chelsea maybe, but I wouldn't put Palace past a sneak in a draw possibly. - I think we can get a draw. I mean, I know you're not going to Palace aren't going to be Chelsea at the bridge. And if they do, I'm going to eat my hat. - You've even got a hat, which do you ever have? - I'll get a hat. - I'll get a hat just to either. - For that sake, alone, I think it'll be a two-one winter Palace. - Oh, there you go. - They get a bit of hat-eating down. - Oh, I'm going for a one-one draw. - Nice. - We always concede goals, so I think a goal conceded. - Yeah, this was my comment on Saturday. What odds on Palace not keeping a single clean shoe all season? - I think we're going to, some of the teams down the bat, I think again, he likes a form of them. Whatford and whatford haven't scored many goals. I think you'll probably be right against them, but we're going to concede more goals this season, definitely. But I think we're going to score lots as well. So they got cliche number 20 for me for the end of the pod. - That's on the rest of the pod. - So just to, yeah, let's round that off there. JD, thank you. - Thanks, it's been, I mean, it's been an experience to be the other side of the fence. It's, yeah, it's weird looking at you sat there and the presenter's chair in my chair. - It's not a very nice chair, actually. It doesn't have much padding. Andy, thank you as well. - You do, though. - Hey, hey, it's a subject. - You're welcome. - And thank you guys for joining us. It's been a pleasure. - Bye. - Bye. (upbeat music) - It's time to get your checking account to zero with three checking from Penfen. That's zero ATM fees, zero balance requirements, and zero time spent waiting for your paycheck to direct deposit, because you can receive it up to two days early. Open your account with just $25 and see how big zero can be. Apply online today at penfed.org/freechecking. Early direct deposit eligibility may vary between pay periods and timing of payers funding. 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