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Lion's fans, it's time for the podcast you've been waiting for, the show where Kool-Aid runs blue, faces turn red, and rose-colored glasses never go out of style. This is the Detroit Lions Podcast. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another edition of this show and Brown right here on the Detroit Lions Podcast. He's got this show, I'm Russ Brown, we are back, Lions are two in one, back on the right side of things and kind of got the train back on the tracks it feels like. We are jumping right in, Lions Cardinals review, Scott my man, how are you? I am doing very well, how are you? I'm good, I'm good, we got some technical difficulties out of the way here on this Wednesday evening so I'm doing pretty well and you can see that the lighting is starting to change, it's getting darker in here so I might have to start adjusting my room a little bit as we start doing these shows, I won't right now, but change of the season and all that stuff, it's starting to mess with me a little bit, it's getting darker earlier, staying darker earlier in the morning as well. Yeah, you're still part of those fancy circle lights, I'm told that at least the stream yard screen says that if you get really good lighting, that you'll look really good and I think that's bullshit. I don't think that's true at all. No, I wouldn't look good with lights or makeup, I'm not a tech guy by any means, I can clip football plays and talk about it and that's about it, messing with lighting to make myself better, that's why I got married at a young age, so I don't have to worry about looking good, she stuck with me forever, like this is it, so we're going to go, we're going to go. Oh, I peek many, many, many moons ago, but yeah, no look guys, we're back Lions are back as well. With the win on the road, very good bounce back win, that opening drive, right? That's a huge victory. It is, it is, especially when you look at just kind of the outcome of where everything went as far as injuries, how well the defense played those first couple of drives from Detroit were really good, like that first drive was, it was, it was chef's kiss, I mean, they stuck to running the football, they didn't get too fancy and too cute and it feels like they've got their identity back. Yeah, so let's pan back to last Monday, nine days ago, we did a video, a little bit out of frustration about how they looked and how they lost, and you know, how the loss came to be against Tampa and generally speaking, I'm never going to, or I'm not going to, you know, to, we're not going to tune our horns, so to speak too much, but, and maybe it wasn't that all that difficult to see, but it was very obvious. They went away from their identity, which is run heavy and attack the middle, the middle of the field in the intermediate range, which is something they just did not do against Tampa. They did not. Yeah. And that first drive, that's, that's all they did is they went heavy, you go 12 personnel, you go heavy, you run, and then you attack the middle of the field, you get Laporta involved a little bit, you get Saint Brown on some digs, and boom, you know, like a hot knife through butter, it's seven nothing, you know, and they, that offense was just, that offense was great in the first half. I mean, that was, it was awesome, you know, and it was good for them to get, to get back to the roots of what they do well, which is, you know, scheme, scheme better than maybe some defenses do, run the ball heavy, and then play action kind of stuff around that. So I thought it was a great first half. Weird second. Yeah, great first half. Yeah. And I'm glad that you mentioned the 12 personnel, because I, I mean, we talked about it and I was pushing forward on Twitter a little bit with some of my film clips and, and breakdown and things like that. And it's like, didn't see a lot of Brock right in the first two games the season didn't feel like we saw a lot of Sam Laporta either. And it was like, Hey, we, we got to start getting these guys involved. That's what made this team. So I don't want to say dynamic because they're tight ends, but that's what made them so dynamic in their own way. And it gave them this different identity from different offenses in the league. And we saw early with Sam Laporta and obviously the, the freak thing happened on the hook and ladder play, which was a, an awesome play call, but it was unfortunate because Sam Laporta got rolled up on and has now the, the low ankle spray now, I think he'll be fine. I don't know if to play against Seattle, maybe in a limited fashion because they're coming into the bi-week. Yeah. I mean, I think by, you know, week six, week seven, he'll be at full health again, hopefully fingers crossed and we'll be good to go and he's back to kind of doing his thing. So that was, I think really one of the big offensive injuries and we're going to jump into injuries and how concerning they are. But just looking at the defensive side of the football, we've talked about it time and time again, Tyrion Arnold in phase, in phase, in phase, he's continuously in phase and these little kind of taking pack fouls from the NFL in these reps. I mean, some of them, he's fighting for position the same way the receiver is like it, to me was 50, 50 that he called for PI a couple of different times in this one, but what any takeaways, defense, and we were for Detroit by that. They look, that defense looks pretty ferocious at times. The fact that Tyrion Arnold is in phase on some of it, I would say on most, if not all of the place he's been in coverage, should tell, I mean, you know, that's hard to do. So are you going to accept some penalties? Sure. Right now, he's a rookie. We all got to remember he's a rookie, but he does not look like he is getting beat all over the place at all. He's got great reactive athleticism to keep him in coverage. And it's just, I think he has to learn what the NFL is going to let go from a grabby standpoint and what they're not. I understand what you're saying there was a play with him and Michael Wilson where he got called. And it's like, he kind of has the, he should have the opportunity to go get the ball too. Right? But, you know, that's just a, there's a little bit of like learning and understanding what the NFL wants to call or the things they're looking for, but the fact that he's staying in phase in a good position in coverage with his body as a, you know, with the receiver, I think is the most hopeful thing that we're seeing out of, out of the secondary with the exception of the way Brian Brigitte's play. Oh my God. Yeah. So, do I want him stepping up and lightening up Tre McBride like he did in the fourth quarter? No, not really, but you accept that because he's a dude, right? I mean, I'm just super hopeful that as long as the defensive line, and I thought in this game, I'm all over the place in this game, I thought they did a phenomenal job of being incredibly disciplined with Kyler Murray, keeping him in the pocket, not only pursuing, not getting out of their rush lanes, not giving him places to go. And I mean, Kyler Murray, if I was a Cardinals fan, or at least as a person looking around and watching quarterback play, if you keep him in the pocket, even if he's clean, his feet are just awful. Like he's so. Yeah. You know, I know he can make every throw, but like the example I'm talking about is the pick he throws to Kirby Joseph. He's totally clean there. He doesn't really drive that throw. He leads a thing in the air a touch, and he doesn't drive the throw because his feet are bad, and he's kind of off platform, and he just decides to just wing it and let it rip. There was no pressure there. So the lines did a great job of not letting him get out of the pocket and run around, you know, like the freak show that he is, the way he runs around and makes place. They were awesome in that regard. And when you look at it the week before of how he ran all over the Los Angeles Rams, it was like, man, Detroit could be in for a big long day, like he might go off, and he didn't. You mentioned the interception. I don't, I still don't know why he decided to throw that ball because like you said, he had time, and I don't know how, like you didn't see Kirby Joseph over the top of that guy, like, and you didn't put it in opposition for your receiver to really make a play. So I mean, that's Kirby's Dean. That's what he does. Yeah. It was a single high safety, and even if he had the split field responsibilities and he's the two I safety, his ability to just play over the top is phenomenal. And even, even away from that, the way he drives down the field and buzzes down the field to tackle or just make a play, he's so good for them. And I'm so glad that they have him with Brian Branch. Like, can't wait for Malefano to get back, because I think that's an impact for them as far as what he can do in the flats, even a single higher, even when he blitzes. But one thing I wanted to highlight, just kind of to finish off the defense is just their run defense of how stout it is. I mean, it's going to be tough for Seattle to get going if Kenneth Walker cannot play. If it's Zach Sharbenay, I mean, he might break off a big run here or there because he's so strong, but their ability to stop the run with a Lee McNeil, who will see what happens. He's got the shoulder injury, but DJ, reader Kyle Pekko, Levi Ozarique, obviously Michael Brockers. We know he's done for the season. We'll talk on injuries here in a minute before we jump into the Seahawks game. But just, you know, Hutchinson, Derek Barnes, Alex, I mean, they're so stout against the run and they fit so well with the linebackers. And I know some people may not be on the train of Jack Campbell, but his ability to fit the run in scrape and just work through contact and all that traffic and still stick his nose in there, that is something that most linebackers won't do in this league anymore. And he does it consistently and I just love the way that they stop the run. I mean, they're top three in run defense in the NFL right now and you just look at the way that they do it. I mean, it's so it helps them so much defensively and it looks like when you look at the defense in the grand scheme of things, it's like, yeah, they get torched at times through the air, but they really do have this bend don't break mentality defensively. And the way that they stop Pample a couple of times two weeks ago, but is it this defense is legit? I mean, it just is what it is. They're legit and I think it's not that it's easier to play, but when you have good defensive line play and they're disciplined and they're able to do their jobs, makes it easier for a player like Campbell and any of the linebackers to work, right? Yeah. That's been the problem in the past, like the Jared Davis years where, you know, I remember A. Sean Robinson would just get bounced out of his gaps and Davis is essentially in the same gap as A. Sean is and it's like, you know, so you can blame there. You know what I mean? Um, I think they've done a fantastic job of defending the run and being a very dangerous defensive line. You're right. They're tied for third yards per carry, they're giving up 3.6 yards per carry. They have given up 230 total run yards, which is tied for fourth in the NFL. They've given up two rushing touchdowns, tied for ninth and they've given up 120 plus yard run. Yeah, so you're making teams have to beat you passing the ball. 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It could be, my guess is, I hope it's just a couple of weeks, but Glasgow, this is one of the reasons why the Glasgow re-signing was such a big deal. Yeah, free agency was that he can play center at a, I think he can play center at a higher level than he plays left guard. I don't know what your thoughts are there, but I thought the offense was great. There were, even the plays that they made, the same Brown touchdown, it gives us wide open running underneath. You could have hit him for a touchdown there. There's so much, there's so much. They miss Jamie a couple of times. He could have had a big day, didn't need to. Yeah. It is interesting, and I don't know if I say interesting in a good way, but the second half was bizarre, they, I want to say they had the ball six times, they punched it five, they threw a pick. So you know, they didn't need to score because they kind of had, they had Arizona's in a position where I think they had them, but that game got a little closer than it needed to be when Arizona made a 20 to 13. Yeah. Still, great performance on the road. You go on the road, you play a good team and you win like that. You should be very happy, great job, two and one. It's on, you know, we're going to look back at the Tampa game and think, Oh, brutal loss, really stay real until three and oh, yep, should have what it could on that. And you mentioned second half, it's a great point, you know, five points to pick. The pick was a simulated pressure where the backside linebacker blitzed in the playside defensive end to where golf was going to throw, dropped into that made a hook. He just must, he must not have seen it or wasn't anticipating him to be there as quick as he was. But either way, I think the, the disgruntled part of the second half of the, maybe the fan's viewpoint is just simply, we're expecting the lions to pedal to the metal and stomp on somebody's throat and when we talking about the, you know, the, the reactive athleticism and just how much they've turned over the secondary room and we haven't talked about Dennis Rakestra, second round pick, you know, it takes it, it takes what was the weakness of your team and really, yeah, obviously it's being helped by your pass rush and that kind of stuff. But this is a, this is a damn good team and there's talent in depth everywhere. You know, I, I, just a little aside with, with just how I'm feeling about the secondary there. You know, we can get into Seattle now, what do you, what do you think, what do you think Seattle poses? What's the, what's the biggest problem with this matchup? Because they've had the lion's number. They really have. Yeah. I mean, obviously the genome thing, right? Like there's that whole element for whatever reason they've struggled against him and they have just struggled against that Seattle mobile quarterback. They've shown what this past week, obviously against Arizona that they can contain a mobile quarterback and keep them in the pocket. But for whatever reason, they struggle against Seattle, but this is a whole new look on offense. I mean, it's, it's not the Pete Carroll show anymore. They have like McDonald there. I look at just them like defensively, they run a lot of odd front stuff. So you know, you'll see a lot of three man fronts, two man fronts, you know, with kind of like a stand up backer or stand up edge rusher and then they'll maybe creep a backer on and off the line of scrimmage and give you kind of like a four man look, but it's not really going to be put as that. So they, they really mix and match their defensive line. And we, you know, when you and I first started kind of doing a show together, I know who you're going to talk about, you know, the one of the guys that we talked about that we both loved specifically you was, you know, boy mafia and he's starting to really turn into a fine player for them. And you know, they've obviously got the secondary pieces with, you know, Devin Witherspoon and Tariq Woolen and those guys are going to create some, some problems for them. But at the end of the day, like, I think the thing that maybe worries me just the most is DK Metcalf, the physicality that he plays with, the speed that he plays with, you would have to think he matches up against either Carlton Davis or Tyrion Arnold. And I like Carlton Davis, but man, that guy does not look for the football sometimes at all. And it's caught either staring at the quarterback or staring at the receiver. And it's not like, find the ball, make a play. So that's what worries me. And then just obviously like Tyler Lockett, you know, they're going to scheme something for him to get open deep down the field. And will they be in the right spots to stop those types of plays? But overall, like their offensive line doesn't worry me. I don't view too much like second level defenders-wise, like Tyrese Nice or Tyrese Nite and their linebacker group. Like, I don't, that doesn't really worry me all that much. So like, I feel good about it. But the thing that worries me the most is the Lions injury concerns of how many key players could be out for this game. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be the story of this game is injuries for both teams. Yeah, Tariq Woolen's awesome, Devin Witherspoon's awesome. Jackson Smith and Jig what terrifies me in this matchup. Really? He really does. It just, you know, I think in the past DK Metcalf has just kind of obliterated the Lions defensive plan because of his physicality. And the Lions simply didn't have anybody who was up to it physically to press it because they want to play man, right? So how do you cover that guy? How do you man cover that guy? You know what I mean? Yeah. That's a tough ask, but they want to do that. So you hope that they can find a way to sort of mitigate his size and speed. But then it's, I'm with you with the Tyler Lockett stuff. He's still a threat. He's still a problem. But Jackson Smith and Jibba strikes me as that guy who's just going to move the sticks. He's going to be pressure. He's going to get open late kind of, you know, that kind of stuff. But you mentioned injuries. So I want to say Seattle's a different team without Kenny Walker as they're running back. They are. Jackson is sharp and he's a good running back, but he's not Kenny Walker level. They have injuries on the edges of their offensive line. Kenny Walker's hurt. But these are the big ones. The big ones are Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy. I don't know if they're going to play. That's a huge loss for them. It just is. And especially, especially for a team that wants to run the ball down your throat a little bit, that would be a problem for Seattle for them. The Lions offense, I don't know that the Lions offense is going to shred Seattle's defense through the air because of because of the defensive back play and and pressure that they can bring to golf. I think that this game is going to be overwhelmingly won or lost based on what the what Detroit can do running the ball. And if they're if they're missing rookie Byron Murphy, who's who's a dude, right? Yeah. I just I don't know the overcome that right. So to me, that's that's an invitation just to to run the ball, run lots of power concepts. But I'm a little bit like what we saw in the first little bit of the first quarter against Arizona. Yeah. Oh, there's that there's that component of things. Seattle's past defense is awesome. They're first in the NFL. They're giving up 4.7 yards per attempt. Okay. We have to promise this though. This is the Seattle has played so far week one. They were home to Denver against a rookie quarterback who really didn't threaten in any way to pick Sponix. Week two, they were at New England, Jacobi Brissett, and not a lot of weapons, right? In week three, it was on it was home against Miami against Skyler Thompson and a banged up Skyler Thompson right away. And so it's like, you know, are you are we really looking at that at that three games and thinking Seattle's this defensive monster? Are we are we just setting an aside saying they really haven't been challenged defensively with the exception of the running that they gave up to New England? Antonio Gibson carried the ball 11 times for 96 yards in week two, right? Ramadre Street, a Stevenson at 21 carries for 81 yards and a score in week two. So they gave up. I'm going to say they gave up around 200 yards rushing in this and that week two match up in a low scoring game to New England. Yeah. The Lions can the Lions can repeat duplicate that and it one of the nice things about running the ball and running it so heavy is you're reducing possessions. So you know, it's nice to not give the ball to Seattle's offense. It's just a nice thing. So it's all kind of a bonus how it lines up. And I'm glad that you mentioned like one, the ability to run the football and how the two key players of Byron Murphy and Leonard Williams, possibly being out. I do wonder, you know, teams obviously at certain points try to break tendencies and I wonder, is this one of those where they just break tendencies and they just start blitzing because when I go to match quarters, where they've got, you know, data pulled with field vision, which is a great app and both match quarters and field vision. Great places. You should check them out on Twitter, but, but the Seahawks, they only blitz 24.2% of the time. It's, it's quite a bit, but it's not like the most in the league, the Vikings blitz way more than that. The Buccaneers blitz more than that. So it makes me wonder, do they put the trust in the past defense, send six, send seven, fill the gaps and force the lions to try to beat you either out in the perimeter where they may be eliminated because Sam Laporta might not be there. Brock Wright is the fill in. Is that a threat in the perimeter game? Probably not. Tim Patrick, are those guys going to be threats? And Ken Amunra and Jame will get open enough if they're getting pressed by Tariq Woolen and Devin Witherspoon and those types of guys. So I think it's going to be a very interesting game of cat and mouse and it's going to be a fun chess game. But I'm so, I'm also glad that you mentioned the quarterbacks because that's a great point. You know, Jerigolf, obviously not a world beater. We know what we get out of him, but he's far better than any quarterback that they've played at this point in the season. And that's saying something through three weeks. So I think maybe, you know, maybe Jameo does have a big game and he didn't get used much in, in last week's game. So maybe it's a bounce back spot for him and maybe it's a big spot for Tim Patrick. I mean, it's just one of those things where he's a bigger body and you can play him in line. He's a willing blocker. I would certainly think we see a lot more of Dan Skipper. We saw him quite a bit last week and that was helping establish that run game. So I wonder, does he step back in here to help me to pick up some of those blitzes and those types of things? It's going to be so interesting. I do expect the lines to win the game, but again, I expected them to beat the Seahawks last year. So I don't know if I'm going to be right or wrong on that, but you know, Monday night on the road in Detroit with some edge with some offensive line perimeter injuries. I think they have Charles Cross, but Abraham Lucas is out has been out for a little while. Yeah. I'm going to, I don't know, whoever is starting, whoever the other starting tackle is, I should know this, but there's a scenario, who is it? I believe it's number 75, no, number 78, stone, fourth, fourth site. I wanted to call him Derms might, but he's a tight end, stone, fourth, like that's who the guy was thinking about. Nice call. I could see a scenario where there's a lot of pressure on Gino Smith. I could see Hutchinson walking away from this game with a few more sacks. I could see whoever they deploy on the edge, whether, and it sounds like they're going to go real heavy on that D line or big. It sounds like, at least what Campbell said today, expected Pascal to get more reps in this game. He'll have opportunities too. So yeah, crowd noise is going to be a problem for Seattle. Why are there reaches on Reese's peanut butter cups? Probably so they never slipped from her hands. Could you imagine I'd lose it? Luckily, Reese's thought about that. Wonder what else they think about? Probably chocolate and peanut butter. This episode is brought to you by Carmax. Boldly searching for your next used vehicle? With Carmax, you don't have to settle on anything when it comes to your ride. Instead, steer clear of the ordinary and buy the car that's right for you. Carmax makes it easy to stop settling and find the car you'll love today. Start shopping now at Carmax.com. Carmax, the way car buying should be. This is a tough place to play, but they have had the Lions number, so they always give you a little bit of pause. It just seems to be a match-up problem, but this is a very different team. The strengths of that defense are very different than what Seattle has seen in the past in Detroit. It's going to be interesting, too, how the Lions change and shape their roster. We saw them put Marcus Davenport and Derek Barnes on IR. They've already signed Tim Patrick to the act of roster, so he's probably going to be a permanent stay on the 53-man roster if he stays healthy. You've pretty much got an open roster spot, and you would have to think they designate that for another pass rusher. Mitchell Acute would be a guy that I would push for. I think he is better than James Houston as a true Sam linebacker, but I don't know if that's the direction they go. Do they go more, as you mentioned, heavy? Do they go Pat O'Connor, the veteran for maybe this one-off matchup against Seattle? Or is it the undrafted kid out of Ole Miss, Isaac Yukwe, I think I'm saying that wrong, but you do go for him. It's just one of those things. They have options, and all three of those guys flashed in the preseason. It's one of those where every two to three games, they start creating a rotation with those guys, and they're picking and choosing when they get those chances. There are other alternatives. You should probably talk about it for two minutes. Yeah, as far as getting a pass rusher, signing or- Yeah, because to me, the Lions are one of the best teams in the NFL, and if you were to find yourself a very reliable, peace opposite Hutchinson, I think what we've seen around the NFL, not that you ever think that the Lions are the best team in the NFC, but you could make that argument. What do the Lions look like if Trey Hendrickson is defensive, and opposite hitting Hutchinson? Right? Trey Hendrickson, he asked for a trade this summer, early this summer. He wanted out of there. He makes $14.8 million this year. He makes $15.8 million next year. The Bengals are so strapped for cash that I think is one of the reasons why they couldn't sign Jamar Chase is because they actually don't have enough actual cash. So if you present that owner with the opportunity to save $27 million over the next two years, two seasons with money that he's already technically spent with a player who's asked to be traded anyway, it makes a lot of sense, right? And then you're getting a player who turns 30. This is all speculative stuff, but there's a lot of this stuff that adds up. Hendrickson is going to turn 30, but he's perfect for what the Lions do and what he's the reason. Not he. The reason why they signed Marcus Davenport is because they wanted a player letting Trey Hendrickson. If you look back in the past, Hendrickson was in New Orleans with Dan Campbell and Erangela. So they know him, right? I think there's a lot of things that do add up there. I don't know what the cost would be. My assumption is that it wouldn't be because it frees up some money for them to use in really important places, maybe it wouldn't be as costly as we think. But it would be one of those moves where you're pushing your chips and saying, hey, for the next two years, you know, injuries aside, we're making runs, right? Yeah. The other one, and I don't know if he fits great, it's a sad rhetoric. And right? So I don't know what they would cost. I know it's a mess right now with him holding out, but you'd have to sign him longer term. That's why they Hendrickson would seem to make more sense to me. Plus it's like I think they want a bigger presence anyway, and Hendrickson would be that. So those are the two where, you know, if they decide that whatever they have isn't good enough, it's not unreasonable to think they make that kind of a move or try to. I agree. I don't think Reddit would be the guy that they go for simply because of just how long he's running this whole thing out, not report. It just doesn't feel like the right fit. But absolutely on Hendrickson, I'd be down with that. And I don't know, you know, I don't think they would go this route. I think they re-sign him if I remember correctly. Khalil Mack, I don't think they would go that route. I think they gave him some fresh cash to stay there in Los Angeles with the Chargers. But the way that season's going for them with Justin Herbert being banged up and stuff, like, yeah, it just kind of makes me wonder, like if he gets worse and worse as the coming weeks go and they get stuck with one or two wins, do they just kind of say, hey, we're going to reshape this, get more picks and you trade Khalil Mack at the deadline or something like that, you know? That's the exact reasoning for Hendrickson, too, is their own three, Bengals are own three. Right. He's made it very clear, very loud and clear that he wants to win. Yeah. It's just going to get more, he's going to require more grease as the season wears on. He's already asked to be traded. Right. So, you know, there's some of that, but yeah, Khalil Mack, you need something. Yeah. Opposite Hutchinson. Right. Yeah. And it can't be, it can't be practice squad guys who aren't going to help you that much. They need something. Right. To me, it's almost, it's almost like throwing away an opportunity if they don't address it. It's a lot more, I mean, it's easy for me to sit here and talk about it. It's hard to make a trade, but the scenario does exist where guys ask to be traded. They haven't started out great. They need money. There's a lot of things that add up. We'll see. Yeah. I figured they should talk about it. Yeah. And one last player. I mean, just because they're 0 and 3, we're looking at 0 and 3 teams, kind of a dumpster fire, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they are awful. Yeah. They might be worse than the Carolina Panthers, which is saying something. But you know, Roy Robertson Harris, kind of that bigger body, 6 foot 5, affordable contract where you can get out of it after 2025, you know, not as much dead cap. So I just wonder, do they go after kind of that bigger 6 foot 5, 280, 290 type of guy? And I know he's got a role there. He's a starter there in Jacksonville, and it's not like you're going to be able to just get him for free. But it just, it's interesting to consider. But if there's, if there's anything in house, it's probably those practice squad guys I said, or James Houston, it's time to step up. This is why we've been keeping you around and it's like, Hey, it's, it's your time now. So it can be a combination of both, right? Like you could, you could elevate practice squad guy and say you are, you are edge setting defensive and in situations on third and long, we'll bring in James Houston because he can clearly win in some ways. But to me, he hasn't looked the same since recovering from that really bad fracture. So you know, but still you need somebody, we'll see, we'll see how it works out. We're going to talk about Ragnow's injury. I think we mentioned it a little bit earlier, but, but how does that impact things? I mean, Glasgow goes to center who plays left guard. Hi, is I a speaker? That's the guy I would go with. I mean, unless they really think Michael Nice is the guy, which I don't feel confident about. I like what I saw from him at times, but you know, maybe to start this week against Seattle, if they're banged up, okay, you know, they get you to the bye week, but I don't feel confident with him against Dallas. So I don't know, I mean, I think you're probably right with Avasika. I don't. Is it Colby Shores, though? I don't think so. He doesn't play on the left side very often. He's more of a right side kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. I seem like they wanted to train him as a tackle. And I think the guard stuff with him might not be a thing. But you know, that's going to be, that's going to be a big deal on Monday. Is the kid from Boston college? Is he ready to go is I thought he's still on an F I? Yep, he is. I mean, but I don't know. Is there more there in house to where, okay, you play Al Wasequa this week and the next week, you got kind of two weeks to figure out Mahogmy, I mean, I don't know what they're going to do. I just. It's a bummer because that was the, that was the so much of the love for Mahogany in the pick was, okay, in the scenario where Glasgow does have to play center for a game or two, I think Mahogany could be ready to go pretty damn quick. Yeah. But I can't imagine he's anywhere near physically ready to go. No, but I mean, I'm not sure what his status is right now anyway, right? And he wouldn't make an immediate impact, even if he was to go, because like you mentioned football shape and condition and the strength and just being in sync with Taylor Decker and Graham Glasgow. I mean, that's going to take some time. So you're probably going to have to go with one of those veteran guys. And again, we don't know who it's going to be. I don't know if if they keep Graham at a guard and do they bring up Kingsley, Agucong? I don't know. I mean, I liked him coming out of Florida, his snap to snap quickness was really impressive. Yeah. And he was really aggressive. But I just don't know if that's the move to play a rookie undrafted center. Maybe it is. Maybe that's a diamond in a rough for them. It could be. But maybe with with bye week coming, maybe rag now, I'm sure rag now is telling them right now I'm playing this week because that's, you know, but maybe you have to help them save them from themself a little bit. And hey, here's a couple of weeks for you this week, bye week next week, you know, week six comes. Let's hope your, you know, let's hope the rest helps. But you know, who knows? But with rag now, you just never know that guy is tough as nails. It's just the injuries are a problem. Yeah. It is. And it's one of those where I think everybody had that conversation of like long term is he going to be here in the next year or two? Because it just doesn't, it does not feel like it. It just does not. So yeah. Yeah. I don't know if anything seems like he's more day to day than I, than it looked. Right. I was, that was an ugly looking play. But if he's, if he's back and he plays this week, that's a huge deal. Yeah. That's a, that's a very big thing for them. Yeah. And they'll, they'll be able to make Seattle a bit one dimensional, which is I think what, what they've done to everyone to this. Yeah. So even if you, even if you had them in a limited fashion, I think that's, especially defensively, that's far more important than not playing at all. So yeah. Yeah. If you get 20 snaps out of them, 25. Okay. Cool. If you can keep them to under 50 or around 50 snaps, okay, you get them for half the game perfect. Yeah. But it might end up hurting more than it is helping you. I don't know. I mean, it all, it all obviously depends. So yeah. Yeah. And then it's a little early in the week and the extra, the extra day doesn't help us as far as information goes because we don't totally know, but the way Campbell talked, it seemed like the, the day to day stuff was, was a very promising, you know, outcome. I think Barnes will be out, my guess is six plus weeks. That's awesome. I mean, that was a bad shot. And yeah. Yeah. Yep. So injuries are piling up. I think they got away with one, they got lucky with Laporta with it being a low ankle spring. He'll be good. Even if he misses this game, he'll be ready week six at a hundred percent. Hell, they got lucky with Brian branch. I mean, that head to head was that was bad. That was cool. Yeah. It was. You get, you get fortunate with Amun Ra two weeks ago with the quad injury. That could have been bad too. So, you know, as much as we're talking injuries, both teams have injury issues, um, you know, I feel good about the matchup, but I felt a bit about the match up against Seattle in the past. And like you said, they've come out of nowhere and it's just been like, wow, you know, um, we'll see. This is a very different team than, than the lions have been in the past. Yeah. And, uh, I could see breakout game for, I could see Terry and Arnold with a pic in this game. I could easily see. I love it. It's coming. Love it. Right. It's coming. It is. Yep. No, and we'll see. Again, it's going to be Monday night. Hopefully you guys are there. They're back in black. We will helmets. All the fun stuff. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah. I can't wait. Um, but yeah, I, I don't have anything else. I don't know if you have anything else to add. No, we're good. I think, I think we touched it all. 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