Rabbi Aryeh Beer
Hilchos Tefilah Siman kuf chaf daled part 3
OK. So we are holding in Sim Kofrov-Tarrut page 294. OK. I looked up, talked to Shilah about, we discussed a little bit yesterday that we mentioned passing that somebody who is in the middle of Srinhese and he has kedusha. So in the middle of Srinhese as we learned we cannot interrupt to say kedusha you have to listen. So we call the jesif on emoshe and they have to listen to the schliach sibhoo because the other people are not motsi you they don't have kavana to be motsi. You have to listen to schliach sibhoo and that's what emoshe says that the schliach sibhoo should wait till the sibhoo has finished answering kadushkadush or bollukk klaudushim incoma and then say it out loud so that those who are in the sibhoo who need to listen to kedusha should be able to be ate. The question was what if the and a lot of shoals either in the sibhoo and the husband say it together so I can be ate from the sibhoo. So there are post games it seems there's a bit of one motsi motsi in the schliach and all like that that not like emoshe. Emoshe says you cannot be ate only from the schliach sibhoo but there's motsmoss in the post game to shave it. The labia has a chew on it and others also. The motsmoss is that you could be ate by listening to the sibhoo. Anyway the motsi hold you can't. Okay now even if they're having mocha been to me, right? Yeah yeah that's yes because they hold if you want to know I don't want to go into the motsmoss now they hold in a darabonon and plus that you are a shoamaya you may not need it, may not need it, as it doesn't agree but that's what they may hold. I'd rather say they maybe even get the rest and hold it. No I know but that's a real hiddish right that's it is but it's true but but maybe maybe that's another sniff to remark me no but they seem to hold that if you as long as you heard kedusha somebody in the middle of schman essay does not say kedusha as long as you heard the kedusha it's good enough. Okay now now we have to deal with another sensitive issue in the michtobuas of cotton bays he says something which creates a little difficulty not necessarily here but we'll see in a minute where it's a real difficulty. It's as of here that if you're listening to kazal sashat and you want to be out say you have to be makhaben. You have to pay attention from beginning then but including in makhaben says the michtobuas bays saure shayyovin velocianakreit. You have to understand the language you have to understand the taiq. The taiq not not deep meanings but you have to understand what those words mean if you're being yoi tai by listening. The imlafqain lo mehane. Otherwise it's not going to help. Apsi shomeya michtibur kol taba which is hard enough but even hear every word but you don't know what it means. Now it can't mean by the way every word you have to know what it means because some words are not makhaben. And his point is if your personal doesn't understand loshanakreitish according to this you can't be answered that's essentially a simple. No in those days they didn't know they didn't know how to daben but they knew the language. Yeah yeah yeah. A lot no no. No you're already in the in the system with the school system. You have to remember you learned to come up with a bastard you know until you show up in Gamla if you if your father didn't teach you you didn't know. There was no ha'don. You are just woke yeah. No conversation. Not enough to understand it. Yeah not. Well anyway I can't answer you apparently apparently yes apparently they knew they understood what he was saying. Anyway that's what he says. Wait that's a lahaha. It's a makhokasadi shainen. We'll come back to that just moment there. Let's see what's a lahaha. But then he says if you daben yourself. Ham is followed by atsmobuloshanakreitish. So if you don't know all the words. You don't know. You do know how to read. I feel it may not have been a lotion. You're sorry. With one exception. Aye lei which we learned about. Isimin kuf alef. Bemishnaburah. A kopan im bhikas ovus yir al-arabim. Mashiu omir. Bhikas ovus ybathas. Then you have to be makhavin. You have to have makhavin for parish and milas. So obviously you have to know the parish and milas. So but the message when they say let's say you only have a general idea what you're saying and you don't know. You don't really understand it. Even longer you say it. And that is the din by other bhakas too. If you say it right and you just you said the right thing even though you didn't quite understand it. You're right. All right that's the Allah. Listening is a problem. So the biggest shaylah is kiddush. Almost everything else we can get away with. The problem in Europe was today is different. I mean girls today they're probably no parish and milas. I'm afraid they might know better than men. But they no parish and milas. So but in the time in Europe ladies didn't speak Lushma kiddush. Or whatever language they spoke. They didn't know Lushma kiddush. So so how did they write the kiddush? The husband makes kiddush. They're listening and he tells them yeah you know Evans Inn to be write the kiddush. But they don't understand it. So this is a problem. So the problem is also mentioned in the shoshanor in siman kufzade gimmel. Benching. And over there is interesting. The mister boar brings the same thing that if you're listening to Benching you have to understand it. But then he brings the cheetah sarshi is. No the Benching is a lush on a kiddush and you pay attention. Your yachts are benching even if you don't understand. Try hard to pay attention if you understand something. But let's say the person did. She knew that in general this is benching. She pays attention. He says amen. I don't know all the Brahas. So nashi shite is shijite. And the mister boar brings the henah minik. That the minik was not to be midaktik. That the person had to understand the language. As long as he listened, right, paid attention, wanted to be jite. The same thing will be with Brahas too. If a person comes to hear the Brahas and shayfra let's say. And she doesn't really know what the words mean. It doesn't matter. She has to know. She has to listen to the Brahas. I say amen to the Brahas. And shijite to the Brahas. Right. That's how we fear the calamity. But you should know that really it's a minority opinion. Most opinions hold that if you're listening you have to understand the language. Even lush on a kiddush. If you listen. Okay. Now there's a very interesting tradition that has a niche. In the long days it's a very interesting tradition. And there's something similar to it nor shokumba. I thought brought down together but I don't think they say the same thing. The has a niche of mahadish, amare the kizak. In the time of the gimara there were a lot of people who could not come to shore. That was the mitzis. They are called Amishibasadis. Workers started work very early. Especially it's harvest time. You can't. There's all sorts of alafas. How much they have to dab on or not. But anyway, let's say these workers, Jewish workers, they didn't know how to dab. Let's say theoretically. So they're out there in the fields. So according to the spritat al-ahr they are yoi'd say, the heft fila, with the dabbing of the schliertsibur in shul. Even though they are not there. He's mite to the town. Or anybody who can't dab it. And they're not the same idea. They're the same idea. Exactly. And he can hear a little bit more. There's a broth of gold and stuff. Well, the idea is, the heft individual person. The heft is, that didn't know, but this is atilas atibu. That's what it comes out. That was also shot, is not just some atila. It's atilas atibuur. And anybody is a member of the atibuur. Yeah, no, if he can't come, dalak is a bakki, has to dab him. But an anabakki, or somebody who's on this. And that's the kumuur says. Amshibu sadus. It's a kumuur. Anisih. They can't come. Yeah, it's fila. Yeah, talking about fila over there. Anisih, it's a kumuur. Same thing, similar to bakus kind. If they can come, if you're in shul, you have to stand in front of the ka'anim. But if you can't come, you can't come. It's a, that's the ik-a'alach. So says the hazzanish. So wait a minute. This person, who doesn't understand, he has no loshna kaidish. So he doesn't understand. So what do you couldn't tell me? He's not your ik-a'alach. He's no worse than the amshibu sadus. He can, he's doing the best he can. Not only that, he's there. Right? But he can't, he, he, there's no way for him to, he, he doesn't know how to dab him. If he will know how to dab him himself, he's not your tibuur, tibuur. Anybody who's a bakki must dab him himself. You can't say, "I want to be right to the street," but you can't do it. You must dab him yourself. But somebody who's ain't a bakki, right, he doesn't know how to dab him. And he doesn't understand loshna kaidish. So, so says the hazzanish. He's no worse than the amshibu sadus. So, strictly speaking, he's the ik-a'alach. Now let me tell you what happened. It's a very interesting question. What's the better ik-a? Somebody doesn't understand the language. So you have to train him to say, "The words." "Mila bimila." And that's what it says tak-a. I mean, we don't see people do this. I mean, I haven't seen it. That's not a riot, right, the way to a riot. But really, if somebody doesn't understand, let's say have a woman, a woman, she, right, she can read. She, but she doesn't understand loshna kaidish. Every, she, she, she speaks yiddish. She knows how to read this either. She knows how to tell him. She may not understand what she's saying, but, but she says it. Now, she doesn't understand kiddish. That's what she doesn't understand. So what really should she do? The best thing for her to do is to say along. Just to read it together with the mivare. You know, he's how he'll hold the cup, right, and she'll read it along. "Mila bimila." You don't have to hold the couse. As long as the couse is in front of you, you can be arrested. It doesn't work for her. It really would work too if they were make of it. No, it's not, it's not, no, it's way. So anyway, but we don't see it done. But what happened is a moshga has to file in Shilah. Very nice Shilah. You have a shul in a new community, and let's have care of a hulking. They have a hulking. And, or could be Russian Jews when they first came. Same problem. And so, so it, the best thing is you should have a sitter with a translation. And, but I don't know not a read yet. You have to cheat there. So, so what would you say? Or you have, sometimes you have somebody, it comes, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's learning about Yiddish kite. He's not from learning about Yiddish kite, and you invite him. So you can just say listen, or you can say say with me. We'll say it together, right? You say the bhaka together. Right, it's good. Anyway, there was a shul. The rav, I don't know if it was the rav as a shilah, it sounds like it wasn't the rav. But, the answer to my, so what they did was, until the people know how to lain, I don't know, I'm sorry, how to dab in, the chazin got up. Those people knew how to dab in, you know, people in the shul. Then the chazin got up, and he said out loud. But in this shul, for some reason, I guess if they felt it was too much for the, for the oil, so the chazin said out loud the first three. But like we say by orchestra munez, right? We'll get the orchestra munez to mute the shim. Right, so said like a orchestra munez, right? And everybody said along, he said it's slow, millibimilla, and they all said it along. But they stopped after three bhaka's, and then he kept one. So Ramaish says, you can't do that. You can't, you can't. There's no such thing as saying three bhaka's orchestra munez. So he said, Ramaish, what you have to do is, so let them say slowly the hosh munez out loud. He's going to say it millibimilla, and they'll say it together with him. And he said, do you hear it to that way? They don't understand, right? That's the only answer for them, and that's what they should do. But so we, in general today, I would suggest, I mean, if you have, if you have a sitter with a translation, anybody who doesn't know, but it's learned how to read, it needs to take time out before adopting. Look it over. If you only have some idea what you're saying, you're all right. You can even look at the same times you say, not a problem. Okay. Bidiavid, a really big bidiavid, you could dab it in a different language. I'm sure when the Russians first came, and they couldn't read the Russian orchestra, probably dabbing in Russia. Bidiavid here, I'd say, we just don't do it. We don't like, we don't like the, it's a very bidiavid, but anyway, so this is what he says. But it's interesting here, the Mr. Wu doesn't hear bidiavid, which is a little bit strange. He says, if you're listening to chassal sashat, you have to understand it. It makes it very difficult. That's not everybody understands. Okay. Now, if you're doing that, so now, again, for most of us, it would not be no gay. The only time it's really going to be no gay is the spaker shyness. We're going to, at the end of the simming, if somebody, not just fakers, if somebody has a yalabiavo, he dabbing. We hold a buck, he has to dabbing. But once he dabbing, he can be it to the chassal sashat. If you have a problem with the alabiavo, and with some other mistake in the middle of a schmunez state, you could be it to be by listening to the chassal sashat. It's hard to do it. It's not good. You have to be very, you have to concentrate a lot. So that's so easy to do. But I might say, if you are doing it, so you have to stand for it as a anomafsik, zuktamishtabur gimbal, hain afilim shama makhayreem. Bitar kakh is a caducia. Now, quickly, there's another minion going on, or, and he hears them saying caducia. So normally, this comes very interesting duke. I'm not sure duke is correct, but what is he saying? I'm listening schmunezt, it hasn't changed schmunezt. There's a caducia going on over there. So I don't, don't stop to listen to them. You have to pay attention to the schliertiabur. In caducia, a bohu, koshe keinde aus al anus bohu vuushmau, right? I'm listening to all the bohas. I cannot answer bohu vuushmau if I'm being yeite. I just answer, amine and all the bohas. Now, bohu vuushmau. I'm an amine, a kobraja, tari klanos, saheem, especially when you're being yeite, say it even more, but it's always a heave to answer, amine. But if you're being yeite, say, for sure, you have to answer, amine. Not that it's makhay, but you have to answer, amine, and all the bohas of the schmunezt. He'll come on, sahe vub, shahe tril. Now, here's the duke. It comes out like this. This hasn't that I'm listening to, shaats in this minion, he's not saying caducia now. He's saying caducia. Of course, I pay attention. Of course, I have to pay attention to caducia. So, what's happening? What? No, no, no. He's being yeite, say, schmune, kind. But it's melissa, let's caducia. No, he's listening to the whole thing. You want to know, is he allowed to? Yeah, but he's listening to the whole thing. He's listening to the whole thing. He's listening to the whole thing. He's being yeite, he has also a shout. So now, so now, so that means if you heard it from someone else, he doesn't pay attention. Come to house. Now, let's say you're not standing schmune essay. There's a minion going on there, there's a sloshing, and you're over here, you're listening to those also shots. Now, in the middle schmune essay, right? Or, even if you're in the middle schmune essay, but you're not being yeite, you're saying you're on schmune essay. The problem is only if you're listening to the kasen, then you cannot interrupt your own schmune essay to listen, even to listen to something else. Because you must pay attention, right, to the kasen. That's what you're doing now. You can't listen to something else, but come to house. Let's say you're saying you're on schmune essay, and there's a caducia going on over there, right? So, we'll come out and go into that. They're just like, if the kasen, your kasen would be up the caducia, and you're in the middle schmune essay, what do you do? You listen. You listen to be yeite, the caducia. You don't say anything, but you listen. So, come out, even if there's another caducia going on, you will also do that. Because his only time is, his only time is because you're listening to schmune essay. You can't stop and listen to something else. That's what he's saying. "Would you call the schmune essay?" What? No, you can't say anything. "The okling did not be yeite." Are you one of the ones being yeite, say? "No, but then we are walking by the pressure." Should he, should he? If he's doing everything, I have to, I don't remember seeing it. I would think, yes, he's doing whatever the, is it marecave? No. But I would think, yes, I would think he should do whatever the kasen is doing. Let me think about that. It's a big problem. A lot of shows today. "You wait until the, sometimes I go a little, maybe you should wait until the day." "I won't finish his production because of the boom-sub-shop about it, then I say it." No, no, that is, that's what Ramesh is saying. "Do I say it to twine it into the area there and here?" Ok, so the answer is, no, the answer is that, really, if there would be nobody being yeite, he's supposed to say it together, the kasen, the tibre. And he's, he's being mad. Well, what is, what is nāritra or nākādish? It has mana, to say kiddushit together. That's what it is. That's all when you establish a shinqa broilam. Let's all say it together. And then it starts down strange. Now, when he says, kaselsa or mār, so it's this, ain't getting, he's not saying it. Really, he's supposed to say it together. A mochi just says, if there anybody listening, you have to make sure that he hears you. And yes, they hear you're going to the mochi separately from the tibre. That's another kiddush. I always thought, it's a process to wait. I can't, I'm telling you, the minigailam before a mochi was not to wait. When we were, man, we didn't, it hadn't been wait. Everybody said it together. Somebody was in the... No, wait, no, the killer sultan, you started to tear. Oh, yeah, ok, that helps. And I thought, until I saw a mochi, the way the mochi writes it, it just took a problem. I thought that the husband just had a good voice and said loud. And I said loud enough that people can hear him. And he doesn't get drowned out. But the mochi is much more than the tibre was. Trei kali lo mishtami. It's a... But wait till after anybody... So he writes it later? But then he's not... But he has to do that because there he has to be mochi. What does he really say? Is that really, is that the mochi of the tushis? It's not an animal about sorrow. No, there's ten people listening. It's just... it's no different, not really. It's no different than if everybody will be listening to the hazzah shots. We do it differently, but if everybody listens... Isn't it? That's called the tibre saying. They're all listening. But everybody, even though everybody said it really? Ok, that... you have to be mochi say that. Anyway, that's what the mochi says. I just... it's just strange to me. The whole chakratari, by the way, bothers me. Why is it bothering me? It's nice to hear you. Mochi was a Robin Luban. He was a Robin Europe. You know what people... So apparently, he must have helped it. Unless there was nobody... It can't be that they waited for everybody. You know, the answer would be to wait for everybody. You know, so nobody said nobody is listening. But these are things... Wait, maybe back to punishment, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Amideus Hasidus, it definitely would be correct. It definitely would be correct if the tibre is nice and... Why should he lose out on caducia? Really, he's supposed to wait for a row, right? We... A lot of menion, we don't wait for a row, right? They have ten people. They start with also shots. That's all the way. That's it. That's not sufficient. Most of the people are being very caducia by listening. And according to the mochi, they have to hear the chasen. It's not so simple. According to others, it's good enough to hear the tibre. But I'm saying, yeah, it's a chakratari issue. Anyway... Anyway, it's a little mushroom over here that if you hear caducia for another minion, you could... Even if you're in the middle of a schmanessa, you could stop and listen and be your say in that way, which is a... It's reddish. It's also reddish. Few notes from the last round and the minion went fast and they're late. Yeah. And you stop and listen. Ah, so this is another one. Okay. I... I... Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." Say, "Eggish." A prime says, "Yes." Right. A prime says, "Yes." And others also, they say, "Yes." Yeah, he says, "Yes." If you ask... I thought it was very strange. Did it sound emotional also? I don't know what it was. I don't remember that it was what it says to do with it. It wasn't by a dog. Yeah. And it was... But... But... But... Because there's another sound of you. If you hold it's not a "chiv" on the "chiv". Then it's a big problem. How can you stop if you're not "chiv"? Right. If you hold it's a "chiv" on the "chiv" and then you add the "chiv". It's not like "micra" "migula". "micra" "migula". Everybody has to... It's a "chiv" on every "chiv". But "chir" is a "chiv" on the "chiv" on the "chiv". So it's true if you're there. Of course, you have to listen to "chir" is a "chiv". But if you're in a middle of a schmoness, they may... It's a "chiv" or a "chiv". No, but you're in the middle of a schmoness, they may have to... You're doing a "mitzv" or "fila". "Kidushi" is a "tina" part of "fila". But this is a separate "mitzv" right? Yeah, but he's never... Let's say he was "biyok" and he wouldn't be kind. But once he's part of the "sibur". I'm not sure... It's still much of a "chiv". He is the "chiv". It's a "chiv" to... Ah, a tenth person. That's a very good question. Maybe they should wait for him. No, he started with just "have nine" and "have eight". Uh, it's not so simple, it's not... We'll get... I have to look up this case without... I don't want to say offense. But anyway... Yeah, up high and clear, up high and just say, "Yes, you can listen to "kriya satayo". I find it strange that you... You're interrupting to do a different "mitzv". So, a little strange. "Bikus karnim", it does say you listen. But "Bikus karnim" is different. Not just because it's part of "fila". "Bikus karnim", they mention you. It's a "dorisa", you're supposed to listen. But here's a "tayreb". If you hold the kriya whenever you're a kid, yes. If you hold the kriya... If you hold the kriya when it's simple, it's hard to understand why a person who's in the middle of doing the "mitzvav" is barbing into the "abishtuh". Speaking to the "abishtuh" was... Now, of course, it's "tayre-sham" of "chur". He's listening to the "tayre-sham". Not like it's not... But still, it's a kriya-sham. Anyway, they say, "yes". I would have said that. Certainly, it's not a kriya-sham. I can't imagine why it would be kriya. And sometimes it takes a long time. Okay, anyway... So, that's what he says here. Okay, now we did the first "bir-alokha". Okay, now there's this interesting problem here with the second "bir-alokha". Very interesting. Second "bir-alokha", "misha-sophic-lo" in "is parlous-shakus bishabis". Okay, the case is a... Right? Somebody has a "sophic". Where did he dab it? I don't know how the "sophic" happened. He has a "sophic". Now, what do you do in "sophic"? You're in trouble. You can't dab in the "dab". So, "omus-sophic-lo" in "is parlous-shakus". Same thing, "chur-sophic-lo" in "is parlous-shakus". "The end of your "halaxo" in "is parlous" will be "tam, the end of your "dab" in "dab". So you must mean... "omus-sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo". So, "omusic" anytime. You can't dab in the "dab". So, what do you do? "Mecom-sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo". "Yeish-lo-tak-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo" in "sophic-lo". He says, "You can be the schliehrtibm. Hop around, go over to the "gaba" and say, "How can I go over and be the schliehr?" And finally, you could do that, even because you dab in "nab". Or you have a "sophic" if you dab. He says, "You could do it." "The hoyza atfila, vishfila-tak-kona" and "sinsi" has to say, anyway, somebody has to say, "chas also shat" because of the "kona". So, he can do that. "Be itinam-visa". So, what's the deal? The deal is what I just told you. Why did I tell you to have to be the shat? Why can't you say, "Well, can't you just listen?" So, you could say, Pat, quickly speaking, it's hard to be here listening. But I don't think he means that. Because the premium got them halved like this. When do we say that a "bucky" doesn't, it can listen to "chas also shat" and be here, I'd say? If he dabbed. He dabbed and made it left. That's the thing that will be here. It's at the end of the simmon. It says, "Clearly, that misha shaka-kola-ma-yala" "be-a-du-ra-sh-ra-dish" "or-ma-yay" "kola-ra-mash-tok-lax" around page 298. You're having data, vish-ma-mash-tats. If you have, if you have, if you have, if it's a problem that you left something, anish-ma-nash-lay, we give a "bucky" resource to be, I'd say. Because he did dabbed. No, but "chas also" didn't want a "bucky." I'll listen. No. Everybody has to dabbing today, vish-da. You did. But you ran into trouble. So now you have to dabbing over to be, But now I have a suffix, I have a suffix, if I davened or not, not if it was Yahtzee. My suffix is, did he daven, so now on the tab that he didn't dab in, he can't be able to get out of his suffix, so he's telling you, you want to get out of your suffix and decide you didn't dab in, because I'm going to help you, you have to say a schmone essay, because on the tab you didn't dab in, you cannot be right, it has also shots. It has also shots for a bulky, if you davened and you made a mistake, you left something out. So he really means it this way, but others follow and bring down that you could listen, but it's pretty clear from the, and to be a lokha quotes him that way, that the etis be to be, by the way, let's say he doesn't, he didn't dab in the first time, maybe he didn't dab in, how can he be a hazzan if he didn't, so that's a very sift base, that it's not me active, and therefore in sift base, you're looking sift base, we just start, and I'll tell you the most, the most, the people ask, "Sha'at shinnikna sift base at nesses," he walks into shul base, sift base, "u mozzat shiboshi spallabalahsh," it's, they're finishing their silence from an essay, and he asked, "But who's a chlamal if nair table alta?" Now the reason is they don't have a hazzan, they don't have somebody who can say hazzas or shaat, okay, so then he can do it, even though he didn't dab in yet, you're either from that table in spallabal, kowam, let's see boy, and he's yu'at shiboshi with his filler that way, even though he's dabbing out loud, but since that's a takana, you're not supposed to dab in out loud normally, but to be yu'at shishman essay, but since that's a takana, so he's yu'at shiboshi, and he enters the last of spallabalah. So the chalad they ask, this is where they need him, they need a hazzan, chalad if you have a hiyu, a yu'at shait, or a novel, and he came late, and he would light the omit, if he goes to another minion, he's not getting an omit, not getting an omit, that's what the minion has, somebody else, so he wants to go over and just start mincha time, it says, probably mincha time became late, it's mincha, he missed it, he said, so the post scheme, Mr. Bure does not talk about it, does not talk about it, it's much more in the case of Mr. Bure that they need him, not that he needs except for this case, you know, where he is, so, but in the safer Isha'is soil, he brings now, now somebody quotes the issue, did the issue quotes Isha'is soil bashim alhamkah nefsti, I have never had an old Isha'is soil, it was reprinted, there they quote somebody else, but they, but they say yes, that, that if you won't be able, he's not Muhriyiv to go to a different minion, if you won't have an omit in a different minion, if it sounds like if you could get the omit in a different minion, you should do that, because the Khakrila, you're not supposed to double Khazalah sashat, if you didn't double the sandwich, but if you won't be able to get the omit in a different minion, they're a maker, then he can go over to the omit and say the Khazalah sashat, and he'll be, I'd say, with the Khazalah sashats, he could do that, his own schmanessa, okay.