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You're listening to the Ushiva of Newark at IDT podcast. I'm your host and curator of Anaprom, Give a Leveg, and I hope you enjoy this episode. Here is an interesting haloha about when it comes to 3-bit seaborn, especially if you have a small community, and do you need the person who is visiting? Let's take a look at the question that shouldn't really be a question, according to many, but it is. Should there even be a minion of Benet Houtzloritz and Eretz Israel? So, Benet Houtzloritz, aboyum Leretz Israel, no agim with cabeitz, with paleo, but seabore, to feel as young to shame you. That's been a minak. Now, how old is that minak? It's not mentioned in Shulhanara at all, but it's mentioned by the bit you save himself, as you can see here on the bottom of the screen. So, Benet Houtzloritz, which is sort of like the powder that Perfume missed his. That was the chuvus of the beseo save, and he mentions there "dubbershe nazimimimeketem" "Bich neigadoleolam." Of course, the Rebius of Cairo wrote this when he came to Eretz Israel, start off in Turkey, and eventually came to Eretz Israel, and that's where he wrote the Shulhanara, that's also where he wrote his chuvote. It's true of us, and as you can see that he says, everybody's been there, they've always had Houtzloritz people, and they've had enough people here who were planning to go back. It could be going back to Midsrion, it could be going back very close, but they don't live in Eretz Israel, mamash, but they would come to be Oler Regal, so they would make a minion on the second day. The Radvaz, who was almost as old as the beseo save himself, the Rebwadi bin Zimra from Midsrion, eventually moved to Eretz al-Iim, he says that, "No, you shouldn't really have a teal of its seaboard." That you shouldn't have, that's already too much, to make a minion, that's already too much. The Mr. Brewer, if you take a look at it, is also not so happy about making minion on it, however, that's become the Minag, and Rabbi Yoshev was asked about this, and from the Salman, and they said, "Look, we're not going to try to stop these minion on it." You see that from the time the bit you're safe, people have been doing it, "Okay, so now that you have these minion on them, you're not going to stop it." So let's say they can't find 10 people, can they drag in someone from Eretz Israel to be vash with their minion? So here, if I try to do it in Israel, they told me, "No, you cannot do that." That's what it says here, "Oh, there's just how we should do it." Now why? Because the person who you're dragging in has a different feel, and that's one way. But the Ramoche Agiz explained it differently. He said, "If you had, if you would say Mosheh, you would have been with 10 people, nine other people." But then it's not low to go to do, because you're like your own seaboard, but if you're only six of you, so now you don't have yet the people. So bringing someone from the other Kihili in it creates a problem. So therefore, you shouldn't get a Ben Eretz Israel to be mash on the minion, and that's what the Kafahayim says as well, that if you can't get the minion, you should not. Now, so that is what the Ramocheh Agiz, the Kafahayim says. However, some say you can bring an Eretz Israel sticker to make the minion, in order to miss Paolo Bitzibor, and to bring in to be Corbito, and you're going to be surprised who it is. The Kafahayim also brings other posts, and they'd say it's okay. And he, of course, ended up living in Yerushwai and Bianca Baha'i himself here, and the Ashkenazi postkin the rebel solo shtern also says you can bring in someone from the Eretz Israel to help you make the minion, and rebel Yashiv also says it's okay, and I'll show you rebel Yashiv here. The Ben Eretz floritz, I miss Paolo Bitzibor, Aiden Kihim Shisha, that might have been your case. There are not many you had. You can get even four Eretz Israels to be there, and you can be some Eretz on the Materim. And what are you going to say that it's like they're there to go to do? He says no. Reyashiv says the baseo, except for what he said, that even before he got there, it's his throw. The minion was to let Ash, to make these minions on him. So therefore, as long as Rov of the minion is from Hoth's Lawrence, rebel Yashiv says you can bring the other guys, and they could sit there and learn, or do whatever they want, and let them have the minion. So that is, if people ask you again, Moshe, you could say you're with the Ashkenazi on this. But the spartum seemed to be against it. So maybe the minion you were at was probably a spartish minion, if I know correctly. Now, here's another question. What about, you want to bring an Israeli? This could happen, it might have happened with us, I don't remember, but where the minion had been a hoo, might have been the other time with Allen's brother-in-law, do you remember what I'm talking about? I don't know if he helped make the minion one day or not. But I remember that the been a Hoth's Lawrence, they're in a Hoth's Lawrence, and they don't have a minion. And it's young Tashani. Can you bring in a arachistro, dikr to be Moshe from the minion? Even from Mushe. So what is the, so let's take a look at, are you allowed to or not? So that's the question, whether you can or not. Some say you can't. That's one yei sha'om rim, beiyei sha'om sha'a'am sha'a'am ritza'if. So who is the argument between, it's Vov and Zion, let's take a look and see who the makhlokis is between here. So who says you can bring in a Hoth's nick, arachistro, dikr to help you make the minion, if Moshe finds him, Moshe finds him, feels you can't. He says, you can have six people who daven, you have four people who davened already. So okay, they have no jiv. This man from Arachistro has no jiv to daven Mushef, because for him, it's a yom hul. It's not Shminyat Serus for him. For him, it's a weekday. Okay. But you can bring someone else who has already davened, he also does not have a jiv. Afshu potter beiyei sha'om nami mikstarif. Why? Because if long as you have roved, sibre mukwiyavim, so there's a din on the tibre, the tibre is kaiyei sha'om, now, that's one smaller of Moshe sense. Then he has another sibre. Let's say, imagine it was the minion that I used to go to with you. And then we had someone from Arachistro, and we tried to have ten in order to have a minion on, let's say, on the last day of Paisach. If we say no, when he's sitting over here, and we say, no, we can't be mikstarif. And Ramocha says, geevan sha'omoye d'Sarifu l'So, hairei ain mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar, sibre mukwiyar. Now it looks like everyone's shrugging. Why can't we use him? Why can't we use him? He's a Jew? What's wrong? So therefore, Ramocha says you can bring him in, after he's sha'omoye d'Sarifu l'Arachistro is palafil musif, and therefore he can even be a chazan, maybe according to this, I don't know. Now, so that is Ramocha, who disagrees with Ramocha? I believe, well, there's a number of people here who disagree with him. One of them is sort of Taichtile, the great Hungarian Posek, who wrote the Safer on Nisha Veritistro, he disagrees. The Eritistro, Dick of Posek, Rev'Orabach, who might be in Rabina, I'm not sure if it's Ramocha, Ma'zalman's family or not, also says you can't be Med'Sarifu, and who else Rev'Orabach, Ma'zalman says that Ramocha is right. You have six who've d'Avend, you can get four guys off the street, four guys have already d'Avenderevi, and even though they have no Kyiv, but he argues with the Ramocha in the following way. It's a very strong argument. He says, (speaking in foreign language) Okay, they d'Avenderevi, but they have a connection to this d'Avenden, they just have done it. But in the case where it's Schminatzerus, it's Schümchastore for us, and for him it's Issuchag. (speaking in foreign language) He has no connection to this d'Avenden that we're doing, so you can't be Med'Sarifu to the minion. And from Zalman's as you can't compare it to, let's say, the question that we talked about, someone who's not fasting, can you at least lane the Torah with having him there? And that happens a lot, in small shows where you have older people who didn't fast, and now the question is, can you read Vayachal? So do you have at least 10 people to read? So again, as Zalman says, it's not comparable. Over there it's true, they're not fasting, but they still have a connection to the kriya, right? It's still a day of a fast, it's just that he didn't fast. But at Ben Erichizro, you can't be Med'Sarifu at all. Now he knows there's a krotum that says, (speaking in foreign language) He can be an or a for you. In other words, let's say, there's the Baram ibn Khavir talked about a case where the Ben Erichizro, where Amaratsim, and didn't know how to daven. And they needed the Ben Erichizro to be the Shriya Tzibra on Yantar Shaining. So he says, there, maybe you could see it's different. Why? Because there's a kriya, they can't daven with it, and you're still there, you're an or safe to them, because otherwise they can't even dominate at all. So that's the way you could say that that might be a difference, res over here, even though they won't have a minion, otherwise, still Reformizaman says that you cannot be Med'Sarifu, even though it means there won't be a minion. So it's interesting not to make a situation from the Zalman. This is something that comes up, I don't know this year, I'm not sure, but I have actually been in a shul where this was the case, I get to it. (speaking in foreign language) And you could imagine that that did happen. There wasn't a great migration, like we have now, hundreds of people going back and forth, but you had Shatranim, they were called, these people who would come from Yeshivot and stay many times, months, sometimes years, the Gohnhidah ended up dying in Khulswarats. He hoped he would go back. Maybe that's why he speaks about it often in his true vote, but you know the Khidah was a Shriya, from Erichistro, but he ended up spending years and years in Khulswarats and in writing, continuing to write his farm. So let's say you can imagine that this happened often. There would be a Talmud (speaking in foreign language) who's in, who's during our Simcha's Torah is in Khulswarats, so they could give him, there's a question whether they can give him another Aliyah, let's say on a regular Yantab Shainee, well he doesn't even have a theme of Kriya Satora, so what are you calling him up to give him an Aliyah for? But when it comes to the Aliyah on Simcha's Torah, especially Aliyah for Simcha's Torah, that you can give him. Now, but it should only be because he represents Torah, not because he's rich as you can see here, not because where does this come from, let's take a look. I, in Chubus Kolkas Yaakov, that's for Yaakov, Bryce, that if everybody sees, everyone sees this Rosh Hashivas there for Meritistro, so obviously it's going to be a Farsi if you don't call him up. Why aren't you calling him up? He's the God-o-Ador. The Hidah spoke about it himself, and he said no, that you should not call up this person for Meritistro. Why? You're calling him up as a big Simcha, Simcha's Torah, but it's not, it's a weak day to him, and he says it's a lie. Vigonev leh ha-mon ha-am a solverm shushaykh was Simcha'su, it's Geneva's das, he's not really keeping it truly, not like we said yesterday from the Altarebe and others. According to the Hidah, he assumes the person is Sennedere, he's a nice friend, he's discreetly observing, but he's not really connected to Yantush, so now you're calling him up for an Aliyah and Simcha's Torah, they give him Chosantari, he says it's a joke. That was the Hidah was against this. Rosh al-Mazalman said, I agree with the Hidah about the Hiyu, the first five Aliyos, the ones that are part of the Chubus Yaakov. But Chosantara is different, you don't need to do Chosantara, Chosantara is not really one of the Kriyas that's necessary, it's a special meaning to honor the Torah. Now what are you going to say that Chasha Brakhov Atala, there isn't. Because what's the reason of Chosantara? It's not because today Shmini Atzerus, not because you have to lain, it's because the cover of the Torah. So obviously he's a godl, and he also is finishing, now he finished yesterday, he finished today. Let me ask me that question as well, should he still be, does he have, because he wanted to finish Naya Micra before the year was up, so he was asking me about this, whether he got to finish by, could he have our day of Simcha's Torah as a day to finish it? But there's definitely an idea of finishing the Torah for everybody. So that's a common of Torah, they should get the Aliyah. So that is Rachal Mazalman Zbzak, and here Revmosha Feinstein was on the same page. It's not printed anywhere, but Revmosha Feinstein's Talmidim said that on Simcha's Torah you could get him, give up a banner to Israel, because he also in a way learns and finishes the Torah. The other, but on Uastay of Pesach, or the 2nd of Yeshua's, that would not be the Haulah. That is in terms of that way, let's talk about the other way. We talk about, in terms of Ashiras, why if he's rich, can't you call him up, he maybe gives a lot of tzedokah. Rachal Mazalman said, come on, he's a bannerate to Israel, now it's true there are more rights that there was, they used to give Chosantara to Parnasim, and I think over here in Elizabeth and other places too, they don't give Chosantara, I mean I guess maybe somebody rich buys and they give it to somebody, but it's become in many places an idea, the Chosantara doesn't mean the biggest Talmid Haul. So sometimes the person was a big ba'al tzedokah, so why isn't that a carpet if the person's from their sister, oh but he's a big ba'al tzedokah, he's an usher, why can't we makhap at him and say he has a connection to the Torah? So he says, Shomazalman says, now, that here he would say that he would not be mad there, as important as the message is that this man helps promote Torah, it's still the wrong thing to do considering that he comes from Herod's sister, so that's where we draw the line. We talked about, let's say, you don't want to go to your own minion, which is what many people feel, you should not make a separate minion, even though the Beseos says everybody did it. So let's say you are a, Herod, maybe this happened to you, Mosheh, I don't know, maybe you're like the Chachamseh, maybe you keep only one day when you go there, but now, but let's say you would go to a shul, like on the second day you're on tip and they'd be davening the week, they'd davening, so what would be the Haulah Haul, so let's read it inside. So even though you're davening Thilesh Yountof, right, in other words, you're davening a different davening than they are, your Shmoana S-ray is not their Shmoana S-ray, they're davening a weekday Shmoana S-ray with Yahweh Avol, and you're davening the Shawash Ragholim, that's still called Thilah Bitzibur. Now, why, you're davening something different? So that was the bsaka of rebel Yoshiv, and from Azalman, that you don't have to assume that you haven't davened Bitzibur. So Rabbi Fried, who wrote this collection of Haulah Haul says that, hmm, there's a question on this, because we know there's a discussion about a bin Erichistro on an impsib of Haulah Ritz, the other way around, and does he, what should he go to Beysachnes's to daven, or should he daven privately? So that seems to be dependent on the question, if, when Erichistro, Dick, are davens with Haulah Ritz people, is that called Thilah Bitzibur? And Rifal Mazalman is on record that, and again, it's seemingly a very similar situation. He's davening Thilah's Haul, their davening Thilah's Yantif, is that called Thilah Bitzibur? How's that different, right? Let's explain it again. Rifal Yashaf felt, it's always called, they're both chakrases, okay, this is a chakras that doesn't have the bakashos in it, this is a chakras that does have the bakashos. But you are basically bringing a Corbin Tomid, the Tomid of Chakra. So that's called Thilah Bitzibur. So it's interesting that, as this is Rabbi Fried pointing out, that when it comes to the Ben Hutslorets, davening a whole, davening a Yantif davening, well, everybody else is davening a Haul davening, he says that's called Thilah Bitzibur. So why is it that when you have the reverse situation, when you have Ben Erichistro, who's davening a Haul davening, and they're davening a Yantif davening, it's not Thilah Bitzibur. So the answer I think is pretty obvious, this is what he says. When you're a Ben Erichistro, and you're in Hul'tlorets. So what's happening from his Almond says, they're davening Yantif, there's nothing there that's connected to your weekday Thilah. But in the opposite, remember what we say is that according to the Gomara, the Gomara says that maybe you should really on Yantif daven all the eighteen Brahechas, but Khazal have Rahmanas on you, but you have a connection to a Thilah's Haul, the only reason because of Thilah Ditzibur, we said that you shouldn't daven twenty-five Brahechas, so it ever would be or nineteen Brahechas, you'd have to add something for Yantif, we want to make it shorter. But really, even though they're all davening, like it's a weekday, that thing that they're davening as a connection to you as well. Now it's true, they're not mentioning M'kaddishistro Vazmanim in their chakras, but you have a connection to the Schmonastic part, so that would be the obvious difference and that's why whereas M'kaddishistro has no connection to the Yantif part. The Yantif part by itself, there's nothing there for him, it's not Yantif. So that would be the Nafka Mina, I should have really done this earlier, but this is the opposite case. Let's say a big Rashishiva is in Eretzistro for Sukkis, and he joins the minion on Shminyat Serus, which is Simha's Torah together for the Benairitistro. So he can be the Hasantaro, why? Well, first of all, all these posts can agree, it probably happened often, but I guess it's the same idea. It represents Torah, so even though he should, if he, there should be a different laning for him, he doesn't have a minion to go to that other laning. So what are they laning? They're laning about Moshe Rabeno, they're waiting about Moshe Rabeno's death, the end of the Torah. He also has a connection to it, even though it's a day early, and he can get, especially since Chosantara has a special Hashivos. We've been talking about getting a minion, but just end with this. If a Benairitistro, we talked about this a couple of minutes ago, we mentioned it, don't ask him to be your belt filo. Benairitistro on them typical flards, he should not be the Shuyakzibor, but the minion should be the Shuyakzibor. And the opposite. So therefore Chosanim, this is a question, and Josem Ojulio Shatsbyam Narayan. And that was that other Chosan, the one that was by North Avenue, stayed, I think, right? He was staying, they brought him in, and maybe he stayed into Yuntif. I don't remember, I seem to have a memory of this. And if his work is coming to, this is his job, he's coming to do this. Okay, so that's where Chosanim Kippur, but he stays because, oh yeah, because I might as well stay for the Chagim already. I think we've had cases where they were here for the Chagim as well, right? I think so. I think one of those twins, the twins that we had, the twin brothers, and one of them ended up staying. Maybe, maybe. One of them ended up staying. So the question is, it happens often that you have a Chazan, and he's, oh, they can't get a ticket for him, so he stays for Sukkot. So he should not be a Shui Yuntif Shaini. Let's see who's Psaq, that is. That is for Shoma's Alman's Psaq. Let's see how to explain it. Now, Avapi, the Kasha, Yaysha, David, and Beimbe, maybe there's so many cool swords. Michelle is Talomoto, or you can still be the shots. Why? Because it's essentially the same Dabani. Also you could say that, of course, when he can say, he could say, let's say the opposite, the Ben-Hul who goes there to throw, you could say, well, he can say, he can say, he can say, in Talomoto, because right now, he's in a community needs motor, and you can say the opposite. When the Ben-Arrit's throw is in Hutslouret, where we're not saying, we're still saying the same, so he doesn't need to say the same Talomoto when he dabbens for the Ummud, because that could also work, because he's in a place that doesn't need rain. But to be the Chlyat Sibor, right, in other words, so therefore, we can let him be the Chlyat Sibor, because he's, anyway, helping the Chlyat Sibor out, he's not doing it for himself. But here, his Davening, had he been in their throw, would not be this at all. So therefore, as Al-Mazalman says, he should not be, but he adds an interesting word here. Leo Shatzle-Khatri-la sounds like he understands that many of these Chazanim are probably still, and maybe some of them are getting paid to continue their job there. So, that is an interesting sock, and so you put your F to be Nissar. The only Swar I would say here to be Mako is once you ask him, it's by Faha'a Hesti if he says no, like the Swarra or Mosha finds him. In other words, Rishwamazalman is probably right, that there's no reason to ask him, and if he's there, and people say, "Oh, Chazan, Chazan, you're here. Of course, you should Daven." If he says no, then he's sort of promoting the fact that he's not a Ben-Hul, and that he's Davening is different, otherwise, of course, he would Daven. So that might be a Swarra why, you know, why Rishwamazalman says the way he says it. That could be, that could be, I think, a difference, and that's probably, I think that's a strong and a Swarra to be Mako. Thanks for joining us for another episode from the Ishibha of Newark at IDT Podcast. Be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast app so you don't miss a single episode. (upbeat music)