I saw somebody say the monster mash sucks and uh I disagree with that. Sorry that you don't like fun. (Guitar Music) Through my mailbox a letter dropped My invitation to a rock and roll heart Sent to me by a friend of mine Who lived in a castle with a frankenstein Got through the castle by the quarter to eight Swam the milk, climbed the gate I knocked on the door and went in the hall Where the monster's union was having a ball (Guitar Music) You're not the night you dig or rock and roll band (Guitar Music) What's up, posers? Welcome to "Punklot of Pod" and I'm your coach Justin Hensley I'm your other co-host Dylan Hensley And we did it again, we didn't come up with spooky ghost names for our Halloween spooktacular Immediately forgot, said it like two hours ago (Laughter) Alright, we did this again I'm Goulan Krewlesley (Laughter) I was going to say, "Skelan Grimmsley" (Laughter) You're Dustin Bonesley (Laughter) Yeah, it's always bones related whenever we come up with these two Yeah, so bad at coming up with these horror themed names We just don't stick, we don't stick to the same ones, unfortunately Well, I'm Dr. Frieda of Stein on my personal Twitter right now I didn't realize you'd changed yours Mine is a glow-in-the-dark skeleton of Swamp Squatch, I believe I mean, you are the Shasta Frankenstein Yeah, well I sent you, cause I sent you another new Frankenstein Frankenstein, Frankenstein spokesman, it was a Fritos (Laughter) Because a Fritos Frankenstein shirt from the '70s, probably I'll munch to that was the slogan (Laughter) So there's like a Mona Lisa one, there's a Frankenstein one I'm such a big fan of the Pepsi Universal Monsters spots that they used to do and like promos that they used to do and like the late 80s, early 90s Love all those, so much It's funny, like my favorite stuff about Halloween is the kitschiest stuff, that is truly my most favorite stuff I don't really go in for like the actual spooky stuff Like I want the stuff that looks like it was made out of like paper mache or like was in a B-movie, you know, from the '60s Like that's the kind of stuff that I really love cardboard cutouts of monsters, way better than realistic displays and front yards (Laughter) I do like the giant skeletons They're, oh yeah, they're pretty cool to see in person Someone in my neighborhood has one and it's, it's fucking cool looking Like they got it up behind, they're like gate, there's like a arch gateway and it's just like, it's like, the house is on the corner it's perfectly looking like, in the, it's on the corner looking out into the intersection, it looks great They did a really, really good job decorating their yard Yeah, we got our Halloween stuff up, our creepy cloth and our candles and our, our we got the paper cutouts that you put on the walls and got a blow mold skull and a blow mold pumpkin Yeah, we just put our like Halloween sheets on the bed the other day and blanket and like bats and witches and stuff on it We don't really decorate the outside of the house because no one can see us It was not really, yeah, I mean it's for us more than anything but yeah, we just don't decorate but it's fun, it is my, one of my favorite times of the year I love all of the stuff I love going into a store and seeing all the stuff and the themed candies and just even just themed packaging on stuff where it's like, yeah, it's just the same regular bag of, you know, M&Ms but it's got spooky artwork on it, you know, I love all this stuff I'm, I'm enjoying the Matt McCarthy spooky videos tapes Yeah, on TikTok, it's pretty good I'm looking at Dinosaur Dracula because I haven't looked at that website in a long time and he doesn't do anything anymore He does the podcast and the fun packs Yeah, he hasn't done nearly as much in a while He's also been doing it for a really long time So there's a good chance he's just like done everything old So he only has new things to use I don't have any more good humor Ghost cardboard boxes to show you That's actually the first result on the page right now Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I've been really enjoying the Matt McCarthy video series That's been really fun, just all the spooky tapes, yeah But yeah, love this time of year, the Halloween Spectacular It's what we do every year where we choose a different spooky genre to discuss for the month And it's weird, right? Like it's weird that punk has this many subgenres that are in this mold Because most other genres don't, like rap Rap has horror core, that's kind of a thing, but that's it And what else? There's metal in itself in general is just typically horror themed anyway So it doesn't feel like you're doing anything special or specific And they do, I mean, when you go kitschy with metal Then it's just like glam metal Yeah, it's very different Hot music doesn't really do it that much Occasionally you'll get like, you know, what that Fallout Boy song that samples the Munsters theme You know, like that's kind of what you get Unless you go back to like the, you know, 60s And you look at all that kind of stuff Yeah, I mean all the novelty songs Yeah, novelty songs, that is like my favorite stuff From Halloween time I always pull up like a playlist of those kind of things to listen to And then like my wife's playlists are like, she's going for like true gothic, like classical music inspired stuff And I'm always like, I want to hear the guy talk about rifle flavin' monsters or whatever that one song was called I want to hear a surf song about Dracula at the beach The werewolf bar mitzvah And she's like listening to actual like organ music Yeah Fugues Yeah This is some carmina piranha I was like, oh, okay, that's cool Yes, our Halloween spooktacular is here We're going to do three weeks Psychobilly, horror punk, and gothic rock We used to do like death rock as an option But there are so few death rock bands that we kind of just rolling them in with horror punk So if like something jumps out at you and hey, and you would consider it like a death rock record Then we'll be right, we'll talk to it on, talk about it on that episode, so yeah I mean the thing with, yeah, it's like There's not enough, honestly there's not enough horror punk bands There's really not, it really consists of like one really big one And one big band that they don't think everyone considers horror punk with like your AFIs You know, yeah, one big band with select records Yeah, right And then like a smattering of knock-offs And yeah, there's not a ton, there's not a ton of horror punk There's a lot of like new school death rock Yeah, but it's not that fun to talk about Yeah, and then there's Psychobilly, which is kind of all the same Well, there's two types, we'll get into that more I guess But there are two main styles of Psychobilly Good and bad (laughs) Kind of how I would categorize them (laughs) Yeah, before we get much further, if you head over to patreon.com/punklotopod For $1 you get access to all of our weekly bonus audio And last week we did a News of the World Which consisted of some new stories that happened over the last month But we also did a candy bracket We did a head-to-head single elimination tournament of different candies And it was fun, I enjoyed doing that It wasn't enough to devote an entire bracketology to And we got through it quick enough that I felt like it was worth just putting it with the others I enjoyed it, I don't know if we had any controversial takes on that one You can also listen to the newest episode of the Metal Core Chronicles I discussed the Metal Core albums and EPs and demos Released in the year 1990, which is the first full year of Metal Core With the first LP as well, so that's been a really fun series And I'm really enjoying doing the research on that one Getting in the weeds and some of that stuff And we should have a Joan Jett Challengeography episode Within the next few weeks, working on that one right now as well So yeah, lots of extra audio content over there on the Patreon You can also sign up at our $5 tier Which is the producer/listening club tier And for the producer side of things, we will say your name on the show And we'll say those later before we get into the record And you get to join for that once-a-month listing club Where we choose an album and we all listen to it and discuss it together And for this month's listing club, we are discussing Stay Sick By The Cramps This is their 1990 record Spotify has it listed as 1988 and 1989 But I do think '90 is the actual real release year So yeah, because a day with Elvis came out in '86 Yeah, so if you want to get in and talk about that record with us Just sign up at that $5 tier And you'll get your name set on the show And then we have our $10 tier, which is where you choose the album we devote an entire episode to One time $10 donation, you choose it, we talk about it We got a couple of those lined up for after our Halloween spectacular So we'll be doing those later in the year But Patreon.com/PunkLotified Alright, for the first Halloween spectacular of 2024 We were talking about Psychobilly And it's a genre that we do every year as part of this series And it's a genre that I still don't have a full grasp on six years later Why does this genre exist? Why is there a whole genre like this? I don't know Why does 50s nostalgia exist? That I understand I don't know Psychobilly as a genre So I guess Psychobilly as a genre exists because of two things The cramps Who are by musical definition Probably one of the least represented of Psychobilly bands Yeah For what the genre would become And general rockabilly revival Of the early 80s So it's the cramps and stray cats It's really funny to think that the stray cats are probably as responsible for Psychobilly as a genre as the cramps are Because bands wanted to imitate stray cats But they wanted to do the kitschy retro horror stuff of the cramps And the Misfits even by extension Like the Misfits are horror punk really is an influence on Psychobilly Yeah, all the aesthetics The lyrical content The visual elements Yeah, they're all borrowing That's really what it is They're borrowing more from the Misfits aesthetic And mashing that in with a little bit of the cramps But probably more stray cats than cramps Because really most of the big psychobilly bands are doing more Rockabilly stray cats than they are doing Straight up cramps Because cramps are atypical of the genre Like they didn't even have a bass player for a really long time And psychobilly bands all over their big upright bass And when they did add bass to the cramps it was a regular electric bass It wasn't an upright double bass So they're playing the more like clicky type of bass Like you would get in a rockabilly revival Yeah, because musically Really the cramps are much more garage and surf Yeah, they are There are some elements of the cramps sound in Psychobilly bands, but yeah, it's not Even though they're the originators of the genre Which a term they also rejected They're like we're not that's not us We're not that's not our thing They get that credit that that tag But it's not really that that accurate To really give it to them But it's close enough, you know Where you just just kind of go with it And I was gonna say, yeah, the two types of Psychobilly There are the goofy ones The silly ones The ones that a lot of them come from Europe It's a huge thing in Europe And then the more like We're rockabilly with a little edge Like a Reverend Horton Heat Or like Batmobile Or you know those kind of bands Demented our go Like they're not super hung up on the like Who flat tops and spider web tattoos And trying to look like grave diggers You know that kind of thing Yeah, I mean, I think ultimately It all just kind of falls on a spectrum Yeah, I don't know Like, I think the psychobilly And rockabilly people kind of occupy the same Sphere And like some people maybe lean more Into the psychobilly like horror Aesthetics and other people But I think most are interested In what's going on in either scene Because they're both rockabilly You know, it's rockabilly music Which Rockabilly as a genre Important historically Yeah, but relatively short-lived And I don't think that it's completely Trying to think of how to describe this There's plenty there to draw from As an influence I think to go back and listen to Rockabilly records from the 50s There's a lot that you can take from it And apply to music that you make now And people did They did it in the 60s, they did it in the 70s They did it in the 80s like But to go back and listen to the 50s Rockabilly and try to do it So accurately And not as just a cover band I don't totally get I don't totally get the appeal I don't see the point of boxing yourself Into it. There's plenty of great stuff To draw from it. I just don't I don't see the point in limiting yourself To the constraints of it Yeah, because there are just a lot of Rockabilly bands that like It's just the most faithful thing Like you're just trying to do it as close As you can to the original style And they all sound the same Like, I don't know It is weird Just imagine, just think about it this way Imagine you were A rockabilly person Like, you made sure That you had the look down You were focused entirely On having the right clothes Driving the right vehicle Having the right tattoos Haircuts Like you have everything Is just meticulously Put together It's a costume Like it's just one of the things where it's like I don't know, it just doesn't feel Like a real person Like you see them and they're just like Do you do this every single day? You know? Some do? A lot of them do Yeah, which don't I just do it for the shows But credit to them, I guess, for commitment But what a weird commitment To stick with I don't know It's strange. I don't get it I don't get it. Well, is it more of a costume If you wear it all the time? Seems like it's more of a costume It's got a little life It still looks like a costume, though Like it never doesn't look like a costume I don't think there's a way to do that And it come across authentic And anyway, even if yes They dress like that every single day Well, yeah, I mean So the whole aesthetic of it, the whole style of it Is so detached From conventional Style And what people wear on a daily basis And there's always Like the cyclical nature of fashion Or whatever But I feel like a lot of 50s stuff Does not get repeated In terms of style The style that gets recycled from the 50s It's little details Because those silhouettes Those hem lines All of that stuff People don't really pull that stuff back Because you just hit a certain point And the shape of your clothes Or just like Whoa, that's straight 50s Like that is just 50s Yeah Like that style is so Unique It's really one Pretty short little like five-year period of the 50s And, you know, in the rockabilly even Then that's like a subculture within a time period But even still like If you take away the typical Rockabilly like greaser looks And you look at like the hair styles And the clothing styles of the average person in the 50s Even still that stuff looks Very, very 50s And there's just like certain quintessential aspects Of it that are like you can't do them Without it looking Extremely 50s So people don't really touch that decade That much in terms of recycling Style People pull more from the 60s And that tends to be more adaptable Yeah, as a genre It is weird And it's kind of I feel like we don't There hasn't been like a boom Since the what the 2000s Like the early 2000s boom that happened there It's odd that there was even a boom to begin with But I don't know Because the 90s, like the late 80s, early 90s Boom is a different It was more like your Evan Horton heats Than your necromantics Even though the necromantics didn't start in the 80s And then like dim into our go and Batmobile They were in the 80s I do think the necromantics are probably The way psychobilly Looks now And that whole Danish scene Because for some reason the Danes just loved that stuff But you don't really see Like new psychobilly bands come out anymore No, not really It's just the same artist putting out albums every couple of years Yeah There's definitely still like a rockabilly General like scene But I don't think there's many people going Psychobilly And I think a lot of the stuff That's kind of related in the terms In terms of like It's more of your general retro guy Like your Tattoo sleeves Guy who wears one of those little Grecian fishermen caps Anything you buy You can buy on On straight to hell apparel A lot of that's like cowboy shirts And like Stripy mod pants And so that's even still more of your like 60s garage rock mod rock That's where a lot of the retro Rock and roll looking People gravitate And so that music is all garage rock Yeah So today's album came out of the year 2001 And we like to take a look At the similar stuff that's kind of going on At the same time So we're using Your music to look at the other Psychobilly and horror punk albums That were released in 2001 There is a lot of gothic Related music that came out in 2001 But it's almost exclusively metal based So we're going to skip all of that stuff Very little of it Like we hadn't gotten to the Goth revival of like the 2010s yet And it's still just It's just like oh Tiamat Oh cool all these metal bands doing goth stuff So we're not going to be looking at any of that kind of stuff Just take a quick look Let's start with the psychobilly stuff And it's a lot of bands that I've Literally never heard of in my entire life Despite looking at lists like this Every single year I have no idea who Motel baits or Geean in the grave robbers are Eight ball grifter Psychocharger The Rippman Frantic Flintstones The specters Gorilla Yeah, there is one I do recognize The meteor's released record that year Called psycho down The meteor's been around since 1980 And they have Whoa, they have 29 albums On rate your music And I think the meteor's kind of fall In the more I guess they leaned more into Like I guess they always Had kind of the horror-ish Elements But then you look at them I mean, they started in England So they're part of that English wave Of the psychobilly bands And they didn't really try as hard Like their fashion is just still like Oh, you look like teddies Like that's how you all look You look like you're at a straight cat show Like nothing really different They have a record that came out this year Yeah I've never really listened to the meteors Yeah, I mean they're one of the ones A tribute to Batmobile That was released that year Uh, bands so important that we have to Tribute them Looking at the track listing though I don't know any of these bands either Gorilla's on there Batmobile are on their own tribute album So that's funny But like I may have seen the name Los Rancheros But I don't know There could also be like 50 bands called Los Rancheros and they mostly play Actual Ranchero music The propellers that kind of sounds monster So, yeah The Quakes are One of the bigger ones They're from Buffalo, New York Form of 1986 They have about nine records They play into a little bit of the Tiger Army story So we can save that for later What? Reverend Beatman There's an assjack bootleg That's tagged so I completely on here Yeah, there's Aquana Bats, very best of I guess that's the best of record Yeah King Kurt compilation Astra zombies Taking the, you know Misfits influence They're a French psychobilly band Wonder what that's like And yeah, and that's it I'm in the 2002 now Uh, if you go to the horror punk side of things We have even less to pull from Yeah, Blitzkid Yeah, they're what? They're from West Virginia So Blitzkid were a southern Horror punk band They have a lot of albums Uh, Frankenstein drag queens For planet 13 Oh yeah, that's also another southern From Charlotte, North Carolina Featuring Wednesday 13 So yeah Of course, but Important, unfortunately I guess there's a tsunami bomb E.P. that is to act horror punk Yeah, I saw that What? It's called Invasion from Within They got a little bit of a horror-y kind of theme To the artwork I feel like nothing else About this is actually horror punk, though There's a balsack Single, like not even an album From them, they're the Japanese Horror punk band Who is probably important to listen to at one point Yeah, there's A son of Sam album And a T.S.O.L. album Yeah, two actual, like, legitimate albums Uh, the son of Sam record Is a Supergroup Horror punk, Supergroup Featuring Davey Havok Steve Zing Of Sowen Also Todd Youth Of Agnostic Front Degeneration I think Murphy's Law is his big man Which I'm like, did AFI need to have a Horror punk side project AFI are already a kind of horror punk band It sounds like a horror punk album I mean, it sounds like an AFI record Because Davey's doing vocals And it feels just kind of like the older AFI stuff Had AFI pivoted to Have they done sing the sorrow yet? By this point That came out in '03 So their last record would have been The art of drowning And, yeah, so that would have been They still would have been in that kind of Horror punk-y vein At that point But, yeah, I mean, I guess the thing with AFI Is they're not fully a horror punk band Yeah, mostly Like a skate punk melodic hardcore band Until they switch to the, like, emo Sound post-art core sound of the 2000s Like they definitely have The goth-y horror Design elements But the songs are about whatever Like all kinds of stuff, so Yeah, TSOL's Disappear This was a comeback record I believe Yeah, because the last record they had released Was in 1990 That was Strange Love And that was when they were, like, full Glam rock band Because they made that They changed vocalists They still kind of kept the, like, goth-y Horror punk-y sound For two records And then they just turned into, like, yeah Bali crew, for some reason So this was the comeback, I think Yeah, this is the return of Jack Grisham on vocals In 1983 And it's fine It's It's a horror punk record I mean, this is a pretty Important record, but 12 hits From Hell came out in 2001 Which was Basically the cancelled Album from 1980 They scrapped the record While they were making it And then some of the songs London, Nudge, and Horror Hotel Three hits from Hell And Halloween, and Halloween 2 Got released on the Halloween single And then the remaining songs Were used as demos for Walk Among Us So, the pre-days Walk Among Us, okay I went sure where this was Why did that keep happening with them? They, like, scrapped so many records They had an entire finished album That they scrapped with static age Well, because Danzig sucks to work with Is it just purely that That's the reason The lineup was Danzig, Bobby Steele Jerry Only And Arthur Googie During those sessions, Jerry Only Was basically training Doyle to join the band But he recorded some guitar tracks And overdubs separately And they were added to steel And then steel was kicked out of the band So it's the I mean, I guess it's I guess this is the beginning of the Power struggle Of the band, that seems like it goes back To the beginning of Jerry Only Joining the band, but everyone who was in The band before Jerry Only Got fired by Danzig, so This one is considered pretty good, though Like, it's got a pretty high rating It's got a 4.02 on Rate Your Music, which Neither Walk Among Us or Earth AD Have wrote scores that high Static Age has a 4.07 Well, that's the thing Originally was recorded 78 was recorded Prior to Walk Among Us, so the first Two shelved misfits records In a lot of ways Are better Than the actual first Misfits record, because I think Walk Among Us is good, but it's not as Good as it should have been With all of those shelved two records Before it, two albums worth of material I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of Overlap on the songs that are on those That you're right I don't go to Walk Among Us Despite it being, like, one of the Only, like, actual LPs They released during the Danzig era I never go to Walk Among Us or Earth AD I listen to the collections I listen to Static Age I listen to Legacy of Brutality Which is also another collection It was just all, like, new at the time Because I think Legacy of Brutality has Some of those static age tracks in it So, yeah, it is funny Misfits records were the ones they scrapped Instead of the ones that actually came out Also, from that year, they released Cuts from the Crypt, which I think is All, like, B-Sides and demos From the Post Danzig So this is all, like, Michael Graves Collected works? That's the collection of demos Formerly unreleased and cover songs All the albums tracks were recorded By the band in the years following Their reformation, so yeah, that is Yeah, that's all Michael Graves's era stuff Yeah And it's got the demos It's got the Eggie Pop Stooger's cover The Monster Mash cover And then, maybe, some leftover songs From the famous Monster Sessions Yeah So, before we get to the actual records That I, record I did choose what I was talking about today I did send you a couple options And we kind of talked through them The first one was Fire of Love By the Gun Club I sent that to you And one of the reasons why I ruled it out Was because, initially, I said I feel like we could cover the Gun Club At any other time in the year Like, it doesn't have to be restricted To the Halloween's spectacular Yeah, and I kind of also Don't really consider a Gun Club Psychobilly And I'd agree with you on that, too There's Psychobilly in the same way That the Kramps are Psychobilly So, there's Psychobilly in the same way That X or Psychobilly, which is Not very much You know, they're just like, they're more cow punk Than they are Rockabilly or Psychobilly Yeah, and then, yeah, I mean, Gun Club is You know, kind of a classic punk blues And they fall into, like, garage rock Revival in some ways I mean, they're really not properly Categorizable By, like, one strict genre Yeah, and I feel like It's probably one of the smallest fractions Of what you could call them They just generally have that Like, they have that connection To the LA Death Rock scene And they have, like, that Definitely dark aura But, yeah, no, I wouldn't Consider them a Psychobilly band And similarly, I was considering the Flesh Eaters, a minute to pray, a second to die This was, is this the record That has, like, John Doe on it, too? Flesh Eaters, it's the same thing As the Gun Club Like, they're more blues punk Just tied in with, like, Death Rock Sound And X, and it was the same Thing, it was just, like, yeah, I don't know That this is actually Psychobilly So I wound up... Yeah, John Doe plays the bass On that record, and DJ Bone Break is on there as well, he does The percussion stuff And the Marimba. I always love that DJ Bone Break plays the Marimba I mean, I think it will be fine To talk about one of their records This time of year But, yeah, again, it's more Garagey, more blues punk Yeah, not quite Psychobilly And the other option I was Considering is also not a Psychobilly And it has never been caught by the mummies And I... It's not really Psychobilly at all It's just a garage rock Again, that's just a garage rock, man That... All on a Rare Recyclibilly I mean, they are at least, like, a Gimmick costume band Yeah, yep, I'll just look like mummies Yeah, again, I even listened to a little bit of it And I was like, this is not... This does not belong here I mean, if we wanted to talk about the Munderhoor punk I think a horror punk you can even... You can broaden the definition of horror punk And just to include stuff That's, like, horror-themed Like, the mummies I would put in there You could say some alkaline trio records You could put in there, you know There's... there's stuff you could put in But it's not Psychobilly And you're right, though, I think Psychobilly is Much more strict on what you should be putting in there So that left us with one choice But before that, let's say our producer's name So this week's episode is brought to you by Brooks Phillips, Dave Brown, host of the podcast One Band Five Songs Steve Long, host of the podcast Rebel Rock Radio And Jason W, writer of the newsletter Songs about Chocolate and Girls And now, the host of the podcast When Thousand Plays or Less Jason dropped the first episode of that on Spotify And it's such a great idea Basically, the premise is Each episode will be focused on A different band with less than a thousand plays on Spotify So, a lot of obscure stuff Probably gonna be in there And really looking forward to that series, so Those are our Patreon sponsors So, for this week's episode I selected Tiger Army II Power of Moonlight [MUSIC] Tiger Army never did Yeah [MUSIC] Yeah [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] So, Tiger Army are from Los Angeles, California They formed in 1996 And this was released on July 24th, 2001 On Hellcat Records, which is an imprint of Epitav Records This is the band's second album And the person on this record is Jeff Kresge on Double Vase and Vocals London May on drums Nick 13, aka Kearney Nick Jones on guitar, keys and vocals I had never seen another human being named Kearney Outside of the Simpsons character [MUSIC] The album was produced by Nick 13 And it was engineered by Andrew Aleckle Who had worked with the band's Puller, No Knife, Less Than Jake, Goat Snake Son of Sam, Elliot The Vandals, and Jack Johnson Also co-engineered by Andy Ernst Who did all the vocal engineering Who worked on albums by Green Day No use for a name, 15, screeching weasel Rancid, Swinging Utters, AFI And my favorite, Noggin Toboggin Also, Frito Boat [MUSIC] And this record features backing vocals from Davey Havoc of AFI Lars Fredrickson and Matt Freeman of Rancid Lars also plays guitar on the song "Power of Moonlight" And session guitarist Greg Lees or Les, L-E-I-S-Z plays guitar on the song "In the Orchard" And the album "Art" is by Sergi Lupkoff of Sami Am So yeah, that is the basics on the record What is your experience with the band I always get confused with necromantics As evidenced by me asking you They're Danish, right? The other day They're not No, they're not They're a California band I have heard Tiger Army before Probably seen a music video I do not think that I have spent I've never listened to a full Tiger Army record That's for sure I don't think I've spent a substantial amount of time listening to them ever I just generally know who they are Because they're one of five Psycho Billy bands that have been going forever Yeah And I bet if I look right now I will find a ticket for a Tiger Army show in LA That's mine Because they're from California They're based in LA now Let's see The Tiger Army dot com website is not working At the moment Oh no It does not look like Tiger Army Are playing any shows This month Missed opportunity I can't believe they're not playing Or they're not updating their website Any shows? I'm not seeing anything listed There will be no October flame this year Right, they have a festival they do Yeah This was announced in June So I'm not sure when the next Tiger Army show will be There's going to be a second Nick 13 solo album And recording is already underway My brother, they're all your solo albums Yeah, it is the Nick 13 band It is, he is the only consistent band member From front to back Even from album to album He's losing people all the time So Just do it Yeah I just saw that post on Instagram There will be no October flame this year And I'm not sure when Tiger Army will next take the stage But we've got good news and there's a new Nick 13 solo record It's been also over a decade since he did another solo record So cool, cool I think his solo stuff is considered more country influenced So yeah, but yeah Yeah, so you're not a Tiger Army stand I am not in the Tiger Army You are not a soldier in the Tiger Army I am an unwitting drafty Unwilling drafty Concientius objector to the Tiger Army They are a band that I encountered When I was like loosely getting into psychabilly stuff In like college This is around the same time I would have been downloading stuff By horror pops And they would have been like Fans also like of the time You would see the three bands you always see together Horror pops, Nick romantic, and Tiger Army Which leads It's very obvious why you would think The Tiger Army would also be Danish Because they are tied in with the two foremost Danish horror punk bands But the style of psychabilly they play Is also very European And very much in that same vein So like it's understandable But I knew they weren't Danish Because I knew that there was the AFI connection to this band Yep, like I knew there was an AFI connection I didn't know who it was or what it was Turns out it's lots of different connections They just, Tiger Army comes from the same scene It's really what it is Nick 13 does guest vocals on a couple different Tiger, or a couple different AFI records Before Tiger Army had even put anything out So he like knew them then There's Davey Havoc on this record And just more connections in general Like they used the same engineer Who did those son of Sam record So there's lots of lots of connections to AFI So I knew that going in But they're not a band They were ever on my radar They're not one that I like really listened to Like I may have May have listened to one full album Of them before But I couldn't tell you when Or if I liked it, you know Just not on my Not for me, you know Not that I was like objected to anything they did But they just didn't do anything Different enough from the other bands Of the style And we said a long time ago on the show You only need one psychabilly band And for most people it's just the cramps Like, yeah Yeah, you know I have listened to A fair number of Reverend Horton Heat records and really enjoyed them If we're going for You know bands that have the clicky bass I feel like that's a stipulation It seemed cool At one point, right? When we were teenagers? Yeah, there's something about it that seemed kind of cool I think it's like A bright bass, that's pretty cool I think that's really it Cause I don't remember being like super into the look Very much, I didn't want to Be a psychabilly I don't know, I just liked Reverend Horton Heat And thought there were some cool songs You know, psychabilly freak out, pretty fun song Yeah, and we've talked about We've joked about my, you know, dark timeline Where evil Dylan goes psychabilly It's a little more of a joke than it is realistic There was, I guess I was introduced to Some of the 50's Rockabilly And I still have appreciation for like Aspects of it, I mean I'm a gaslight anthem fan, you know That's true, it is, that is the mainstream Acceptable version of being a Rockabilly, psychabilly is being a Gaslight fan Right, and it's just, it's like I like the tattoos And like, you know, I like kind of The general retro-ness But it's not full on like Worship, it's just kind of like Yeah, here's the good ideas to take from it And also like How much more of it is just like Pulling from the 60's and You know, other places Like, I just, I'm into old stuff Like, I'm Rockabilly adjacent You know, but I like I don't like 50's cars that much I appreciate them, but I don't I'm not like, ah, that's the best Car design era, like I like Like, like, late 60's cars I like, I mean, and I like more Late 60's and 70's clothes In terms of like, wearing vintage clothes Like, I mean, you can't Find 50's clothes, but they don't Mix with anything else Like, if you get anything with like a 50's Hamline, it's like, what the fuck am I going to wear this with? It's up to my belly button You know, the real, real High waistline jackets It's like a crop top My shirts are going to hang out at the bottom So, I don't know It's like, stylistically, it's just not A time period that I'm that Really that interested, and like, as I like Learned more about like 50's and 60's and 70's Like, culture and design and stuff And like, watched Mad Men, you know And like, I was like, oh yeah, I don't really like 50's stuff I'm not really into the 50's stuff You know, like some 50's modernism In terms of like, you know Architecture, but that's That's kind of it Some furniture, you know And that's all mainstream culture It's not rockabilly culture It was the mainstream culture of the time You know, like some 50's jazz is cool But like, that's not what the rockabilly guys are listening to I think it Like, it kind of appealed to me as a teenager I guess there's something about it that felt I mean, I guess it was really in line with our tendency to like Like gimmicky stuff around that time period Yeah, that's true It is very much in the same time frame Where I would be listening to Flogging Mollie Records and Some Global Bordello songs and Yeah, I mean, it doesn't help that like When I was really getting into like new music at the time And really becoming kind of like My brain coming online to that kind of stuff Was in the midst of like the Scott swing revivals of the 90's So I was destined to fail And then I ran into new metal Like it's, there's no, I had no chance Being in that time period It's a very embarrassing time period of music But I think so I guess we kind of like beat around the bush a little bit But like neither one of us are really Fans of the psychobilly genre I think you probably like Laugh at it more than anything Despite, you know, I mean, there's like I said Reven Horton Heat and the cramps And, you know, this related stuff that I think is Enjoyable But I think what I found And why I just like kind of dropped any interest in it Pretty quickly is that So much of it felt the same Yeah, yeah, very samey And it just seems like such a homogenous Genre and like everyone Dressing the same and playing the same guitars Everybody's got the clicky bass And, you know, I just I don't know, I just didn't I didn't see the point in joining that club ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [Music] Not a little bit at the back story of the band, so they played their very first show at Gilman Street, like that's how they entered into the scene was playing Gilman Street right away. Nick was just a fan of the style of music in general, you know, necromantics were pretty big at the time and a big influence. The lineup on this record is interesting, so they played their first show at Gilman Street, they wind up releasing a self-titled EP, which has later been renamed to Temptation, that came out in 1997. This caught Tim Armstrong's eye from Rancid, and he signed the band to Hellcat, which is where they released their first LP. And that band initially featured the original bass to the band Joel Day, and he quits the band before the first LP even comes out. Like, I think he's on the EP, and that's it, he's not on the LP. So they bring in the Quake's bassist to play on that record, which I mentioned earlier. The Quake's being the buffalo psychically band, they got him to come play, but after that record comes out, they then ask Jeff Kreske to join the band. Now Jeff had previously played in AFI, he plays an AFI from 1992 to 1997, so he is on a lot of the early AFI material. He was in another band with Nick Pryor to Tiger Army, and the original drummer of the band was Adam Carson, who was also an AFI at the time, so he does the first LP, he records it, and then he leaves the band. They bring in London May, and London May is from the band, Sam Hain, aka Sam Hain, he was the drummer in Sam Hain, and then he is the one who is replaced by John Christ. So he gets kicked out of Sam Hain right after November coming fire and gets in before they become dancing the band. He briefly joins Dagnasty, and plays on the Wig out of Dinko's tour, but he's not on the record, and then he also plays drums on that son of Sam record. So we are all over the AFI, family tree right here. Jeff also played in the band's Blink 77, he does later play in the horror pops as well, and currently plays in fear, in the modern version of fear. But yeah, so we're going into this record, we have an original, that feels like an appropriate career progression. Just like, oh, now I gotta be leaving his ringer. Just like regressive punk, mentalities, yeah. So this is just, the AFI connections are all over the place on this. You know, Nick sings on AFI records, he gets the bass player from AFI, his old drummer was the drummer of AFI, Davey sings on this record. Some of them played on the son of Sam record, which is the AFI side project, they use the same engineers AFI, like basically the entire existence of Tiger Army is predicated on AFI being a successful band and very popular. And I mean, I guess I would assume Nick was just friends with them prior. Yeah, because he's from Yukaya, which is where AFI started. Yeah, he was in a band with somebody else. I could not find it listed, but I did read it. It's a similar name to that one band, what redemption, redemption 87 that Ian from Callenwald City was also in with some AFI people. Right, it's another band with like numbers in their name. Let's see if I can find it, because Yukaya is not a very big city, so that's got to be a small scene. Yeah, I don't know, I cannot find that name of that band for some reason. But anyway, yeah, I mean, so basically Tiger Army is we're friends with AFI, we play it Berkeley, we Tim Armstrong likes us and puts us on his label. Like it's just a matter of connection, really, more than anything that I feel like Tiger Army gets as big as they do. Because by the at the point where Tiger Army really blows up is also the same type period that AFI is kind of going to that next level that they're about to hit in like 03. And there was always a little bit of the, there's a boy band element to AFI, like there's a, oh, they're cute element to the band. Yeah, I mean, Davey, the chameleonic shape shifting cutie of just like I will look good no matter what the style is at the time. But even like, what's his name, Jade, Jade Pudget, is that his name? Yeah, yeah, he's got the Mo Hulk. Yeah, they're just a, they're good looking guys and it really helped their, it really helped them in the 2000s. They definitely had, they definitely both have looks that Jade especially, well, I mean, yeah, they both have looks that played well with the androgyny of emo style. But yeah, yeah, it was, I mean, yeah, their buddies with AFI and that's really kind of how it all kind of comes together and makes them bigger than probably would have been the case if they just had no connections. And just like a random Hellcat band, which yeah, just grinded it out as a psychobilly band. Yeah, right. Yeah. Cause like California's psychobilly is a thing. It's very much a thing. But even then, I feel like California's psychobilly is way more tied into just the fashion and the car culture of it. It's not so much the bands. Like the biggest psychobilly bands in the world, most of them are from Europe and they're not, they're not from Southern California. So it's weird that Southern California has that affinity or like, there's like a pocket in Southern California that's so into psychobilly, but it's not a so cow thing. Well, there's, there's social distortion. I was going to say, so Philly. Jason. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely like a South Beach beaches, O.C. Long Beach kind of area car culture scene. Yeah. Yeah. ♪ Another evening starts a wall. There's another cool land beneath my feet. On a summer night in the ocean. My car is parked down inside of the road. Over the mountain, the red moon blows. Soon the summer will be over in your chair. ♪ We really should talk about the record. We should. Why did you pick it? All right, because we eliminated the other three considerations that weren't. Yeah, actually psychobilly. Because also, out of all that we've covered a lot of horror punk on the show in the past already, we've already done Reverend Horton Heat, horror pops, the cramps, necromantics, demented our go, guanabats, batmobile. I feel like there's more. I feel like we've done most of the big ones already. And Tiger Army was one of the ones where I was like, we got to do these guys eventually, you know. Tiger Army is kind of one of the biggest psychobilly bands, surprisingly haven't done them yet. Yeah, and the only reason why we covered stuff like guanabats and, you know, batmobile is just because they were under our old version of the show where we pulled stuff at random. So like those would not have been selected if we were just going off of like, what should we talk about, you know? So Tiger Army is like one of the more important ones and probably, are they the most important American psychobilly band that's not the cramps? No. I would say Reverend Horton Heat's more important. Yeah, it's true. I mean, I still, I don't really count him as psychobilly. Like, I know it's kind of a thing, but he just feels like more rockabilly. Though I guess what's his name is also pretty important to the canceled squid billy. Oh, oh, yeah. Unknown Hinson. Yeah. Oh, I forget that he exists. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he got canceled. Turns out it was not just a character. Yeah. But like, yeah, he probably is one of the more famous ones, but even then he's doing, he looks like a psychobilly, but his music is more just rockabilly. There's, it's such a fine, fine line to between what psychobilly and rockabilly even is. I think the thing that makes psychobilly its own separate thing is the punk elements of it. Like the punk elements are played up a little more than those other artists. If we're doing the actual strict terms of psychobilly, they're probably one of the more most important. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Reverend Horton, he definitely does lean a little further into country and surf. Yeah. Uncertain songs. Yeah. I chose it because I'm like, well, we've done the others. Like, we should do this. I feel like there are a couple more that we'll probably need to hit over the year, you know, the coming years. But there may be a point where we're like, I guess we need to start hitting other ones again. I don't know. Maybe we need to open up our umbrella a little more, but yeah. Tiger Army just felt like we needed to get to them. They're pretty important. And they appealed to a younger demographic than a lot of the other bands did. That AFI connection really made them more famous. Yeah. I feel like even in America, in America, more people were into Tiger Army than they were into necromantics. Yeah. Or, horror pops might have actually still been bigger here just because of the timing of that and the whole look. And they were different. They had like a female lead singer and most of those bands all just have guys singing. So yeah. I was like, let's do Tiger Army. They're one of the big ones. We should cover them. But you sound reluctant. It's why I was looking at gun club and flesh eaters. And only reason I ruled them out is because they're not really psychobilly records. I'd rather talk about those albums. I listened to this album three times. I listened to it earlier in the week and then again last night while making notes and then again this morning before recording. And this morning I did all my track notes where I take notes as I'm listening to the record and noting each song individually. And I kept tuning out. I kept being like, oh yeah, I need to be focused. I need to be focused here. And I just like start looking at other stuff. No, focus on the record. Focus on the record. This is so fine. There's no hooks in it. It does not get its hooks in me at all. There's moments. Well, okay. There's moments where it gets my attention. Certain songs were song where the melody of the chorus primarily just kind of like sticks out enough to where I'm like, all right. That's pretty good. That's got potential. It's probably the same ones that got my attention too. If we're being honest, which one's got your attention? So I think the title track's pretty good. Power Moonlight. Yeah. That's got a pretty good one. It's got some surfiness to it. I think that's the one with Lars on guitar too. I think Cupid's victim is interesting enough. It's slightly different. I do think in the orchard is probably the best record, best song on the whole record. That's the like 20 country song that they use that session guitarist for. And I think, I guess Incorporial is, it's got a good tune. Everything else on here is a bunch of 3.0 or 3.25 songs that are just, they're fine. They're all fine. Yeah. Kind of not really that remarkable of a record. This is like probably the most quintessential Tiger Army record. Yeah. This was the highest rated. That's why I went with this one specifically because it had the highest score on writing music. I think it's also the most popular album as well. And I was like, okay, like I don't know which one to listen to from them because they are all like one, two, three, four, like that's how they named all their records. So it's really hard to make them stand out in their in the discography when you just number all your records. I guess looking at them, like the actual records, I would maybe have considered Tiger Army 3, which is like their third most popular, but it is like higher rated than the debut. I don't know. Like I haven't even done my like album sandwiches that I've been doing in a while because the records that we've been talking about, I am not inspired to listen to the albums on either side. And this is another one where I was just like, this is the best one. I don't think I'm going to think that the self, the first or the third album are any different. Yeah. I, when you picked it, I was like, well, that makes the most sense, you know, of the choices that you had. And I'm like, yeah, Tiger Army. Talk about Tiger Army at some point. We got to listen to it. And I kind of went into it thinking like, okay, Tiger Army is definitely one of the more popular, probably one of the more well regarded psycho billy bands. So I kind of had like a smidgen more hope for it. But then when I came to put it on, first of all, the album cover, sorry, Sergio. What the fuck is that? It looks like a, it's a face, right? With like a pin through the lips, it's a, is that a devil lock or is it, oh, it's just a giant bat. It's a bat flying over the, over the face. Yeah. And there's an orchard in the background. Yeah. Which makes sense with the in the orchard song, maybe. Yeah. The moonlight spelled L-I-T-E, not L-I-G-H-T, that's fun, because so many articles spell it wrong. They spell it the way moonlight is actually spelled. Yeah. I mean, it actually is probably the worst cover if we're going by covers. That first was pretty badass with the tiger and the panther fighting each other. That's pretty, that's pretty sick cover. I like that. Uh, I even think the third one is pretty good. The like wings on the bat head. It's kind of like one of those like army gangs, even the music from regions beyond with the flying bat heads. All better covers. I don't, Sergi did this cover. He normally doesn't do artwork. He's typically a layout guy, because I looked at all that stuff he did, he did in like 2001 and almost everything was layouts. So like, this is one of the only ones where he's just credit as artist. So it's not really his thing. I don't think. Yeah. I mean, they got some decent album covers, that's, you know, but not this one. Yeah. So I had, like I said, like a tiny bit more hope for this. I was like, this might be, he said it might be different enough. And I'll say that I think there is a little variety on the record that helps it. You know, there is a little bit of surf. There is, you know, like the one country song and then there's, um, I think there's a fair bit of nearly straightforward horror punk and there's definitely enough of an AFI sensibility to like, I enjoy those moments where they're like the most leaning into their AFI connections. Nick straight up sounds like Davey have it. He does. He sounds like denical to Davey. Yeah. It's that high pitch, kind of like, ho, ho, voice that they both do. Yeah. I was shocked when I was just like, oh, I see why people like type of army. It just sounded like AFI was psychobilly. Yeah. And I feel like he sounds so much like him and they're both from the same place that I'm like, he's either just directly imitating him or they both were just doing this together at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Like, were they just hanging out as teenagers doing like trying to do their dancing voices? Yeah. This is what you would sound like if you had a really high voice, but you were trying to do dancing. Yeah. Because that's kind of what I think Davey sounds like. It's like, there is that misfits like, whoa, kind of like sensibility of like melodic direction of just like, I'm going to go, well, like, but he just has a higher voice because it has the deep, deeper, dancing baritone, like chest voice because he sounds exactly like it. He's maybe not as good at it as Davey, but he's really close. And I think Davey is also helped by the music, you know, on like those classic AFI records of those being really good melodic hardcore songs to begin with. And then this is like some okay horror punk and maybe not great psychobilly. Because as far as like rockabilly, you kind of think about rockabilly guitar playing as guys with real type chops. Yeah. Like your Brian Sesser, your Billy Zoom, your, what's his name from Reverend Horton Heat? Heath Jim, Jim Heath, great guitar player. And the guitar playing here, especially when it's like at the most rockabilly, it's like mostly just kind of sub grade Chuck Berry. Yeah. It's like, it's like perfectly acceptable guitar playing, like it's fine. Like I'm not, it's not, I wouldn't say it's bad playing, but there's nothing stand out about it. Like he knows how to play the basics. I guess that's why he has to get Lars and this session guy to come play like more interesting guitar parts on his songs because all of his songs sound the same. Yeah. No, there's just, there's never any feeling like what makes anything rockabilly, you know, rockabilly revival or any rockabilly influenced music like interesting or appealing or exciting to me is like at least pushing the boundaries of your playing. And I kind of don't get that from the guitars on this record. So it's like, Oh, well, this is like the same hokey rockabilly sounds that I've heard a whole bunch of times, there's not really like interesting voicings and cause right, so many of the best, so many of those great rockabilly guitar players, like they're just as much pulling from like surf and blues. And I feel like they're always just trying to find something interesting and unique to play on the, on the guitar that I don't really get here. I feel like he's just inspired, inspired by other psychobilly guitar players. I think he's just more interested because I think the media is supposed to be like a big influence on him and like necromantics and necromantics aren't like, wow, listen to that amazing guitar. The thing you notice about the necromantics is the bass work, all the clicking and the stuff. And on this record, it's upright bass is double bass. It's not that clicky, there's only a couple songs where like it really clicks. And so it's like, Oh, you're not even doing the thing about the upright bass that everybody else really likes is the clicky part. It's like two songs that you hear clicking. But I mean, I kind of don't mind that because I do find the clicking bass kind of annoying, honestly. Well, one of the things too is that the bass player, he's funny. I was reading an interview with him and he was saying like, yeah, I didn't play upright bass before I started playing it in Tiger Army. Like I just played electric bass in AFI. And then he said, this is funny too, they are like, so what do you, you know, how do you, what do you play whenever you're off? And he's like, unless I'm rehearsing for like a tour or working on an album, I don't play my bass. He just, he just doesn't, he has a label too. But like he just doesn't, he doesn't sit in this free time playing bass. Like it's purely a time to start playing. Okay, I'll start playing. But he's like me, that's the kind of basically where I was like, Oh, I mean, a true bass player. Honestly. I want to know what made him think I could be an upright bass player. I mean, he does it well enough, I guess, but it's just funny that, I don't know, I guess he was just interested in it and he did it. But it's not so much. It wasn't like his focus, whereas most of the other upright bass playing like psychobilly bands, I think they've been playing for a while. I don't think they're just electric basses who then said, yeah, I'll try it. Yeah, I got to put the tape on it on the neck so that I know where the notes are. No where it is, yeah, but it's not that the typical psychobilly, rockabilly bass playing is that adventurous either in terms of upright bass playing like, yeah, it does require, you know, good intonation, like you got to be able to get the note right. And that's not easy on an upright. It can be off, it can be off a little bit very easily and like not really be able to hear it because it's bass frequencies that are already hard to distinguish pitch. And then you're just like throwing everything out of tune because you're like 20 cents flat. Yeah, it's, it's forgettable like it's fine. It's serviceable. It's not anything. I really have a burning desire to come back to or to check out any of their other records. No, not really. I think the production is not great either. He did it himself. He was the producer on it. I mean, you know, they had the engineers, but an engineer isn't going to give you the same type of feedback that a producer is going to. Yeah, like an engineer is not necessarily going to tell you to use less reverb on the distorted guitar parts because they just turn into mush. Yeah, I don't know. It's a strange record because like it's just fine, but they got big and it doesn't really equate to me. Like why this they became this big. I did read some interesting or it's some a couple different interviews with Nick 13 and I sent you a clip of this one because I just thought it was such a funny article and it's from what's called cult of George, whatever that is. And I'll just read you this like paragraph or so. All I can remember about this interview was that it was like pulling teeth. Nick 13 did not like to do press and I had to pull a lot of strings at epitaph to score a few minutes with him. I finally got the chance on October 11th, 2002 when the band opened up for the damned at WWF New York's The World. This is the WWF's Times Square restaurant that they owned and operated and failed. I remember talking, I remember taking forever to find him because he couldn't hear his phone in the loud club and his merch guy was nowhere to be found. When we finally cornered him in the restaurant section of the club, he gave us about 10 minutes to talk to him while he ate dinner. The ensuing conversation was far from riveting and he seemed annoyed that we didn't know enough about the roots of Psychability and that he was playing in what was basically a wrestling themed restaurant. And then he did a, I read another interview with him where it was right after Tiger Army had just done a tour with Morrissey and the guy interviewing him said, Nick 13 is in a bad mood and it wasn't because I was late. And in fact, he was late and then he said, and then I wanted to ask him about the tour with Morrissey and how that went. And he said, I don't want to talk about it, which makes me go, I can't talk about it without crying. I mean, I probably wouldn't want to talk about my tour with Morrissey either because I'm sure it sucked. Yeah, but I just think it's absolutely hilarious that like both of the separate interviewers were like, he's in a bad mood. It's like, I think Nick 13 is probably always in a bad mood is really what I think that is. He doesn't like to do interviews. And when he does them, he's grumpy, like, I just might be grumpy all the time. You know, yeah, just, I don't know. I don't get what, well, obviously I don't get why this one got so big, this band got so big, but I do. It's just the AFI connection. That goes really well. And the Hellcat, I think we maybe understate the selling power Hellcat had of this time period. Yeah. Hellcat was pretty big at this stage. Like they were pretty important because they were getting stuff in front of us in the mid 2000s. Yeah. You know, their bands were on warp tour. Yeah, they were, they were interesting because they were, they were getting across like a couple of different styles. They were getting across some like Scott, but more like traditional Scott or like roots inspired reggae. They were getting across like street punk with a lot of street punk and then psychability. So like, it was like a niche of a niche label, but then was because it had that epitaph distribution and recognition and having Tim Armstrong running it, that it was just like, Oh, okay, it's, it's something to look at. I think there's a point where people stop paying attention to Hellcat, but I do think in like the early 2000s, it was probably at its strongest. So yeah, it's a one to punch of a five plus Hellcat. Yeah. I don't think the average, I think Hellcat was getting the attention of the average press. Well, and I mean, also there was just more press. Yeah. There was a lot. No, there was, there were more places to write about records 20 years ago than there are now. Yeah. So it's just a case of just like some, the mediocre kind of rising to the top that happens a lot throughout time and in music, it's, it's that case of it just had the widest appeal less. So like being the best that we talk about a lot. Yeah. And I mean, top is kind of relative to, because I mean, you know, they were opening for the dam that the WWE restaurant, yeah, which by the way, that is just weird to begin with. I didn't know they even did live music there was gangrel there. Yeah, this record is, you want to give it a rating, I don't have anything else to say about it. Hey, this record is weird because I feel bad criticizing it because I think there is something, I guess there's something about Nick 13 that seems really genuine. Yeah. And I think he has cared a lot about the music that he has made in his life. And I think that more than anything, it's just that he doesn't really align with my interests. And there's just, there's things that I can appreciate on this record. But overall, I didn't really enjoy listening to it. I didn't really connect with most of it. And it's not even that I feel like it's like, I think it's, I think it's unique enough. It's different enough. It's not, you know, it's not full on click fest. You know, there's enough other stuff. Like, I don't know, I think I'd say like a two and a half, two and a half, that's lower than I thought. And I think that I'm even still giving it like a pretty generous half star of just like recognizing that it's not for me. Yeah, I'm giving it like a three, a three straight up, like it's not bad. And there are like two or three songs that I really enjoyed, but so much of it just out of the same and blended together and yeah, I don't know, not not good enough to really go higher than that, but well, I think that covers it unless you have any other final thoughts. Not really. Um, I hope we don't get any bad reviews, I don't think this band is as popular as they were. Yeah. This was their most popular record. Definitely has like 360 ratings on the radio music, though. I don't think it's that big of an album anymore. I think they just have a potentially very loyal fan base. They might, they might, um, that can, uh, maybe not take a joke. It's funny. I'm the one who looks at the reviews all the time, but you're the one who's always worried we're going to get a bad one. It's funny. Uh, I don't know. I don't know, I'm just weirded out by the way that people react to everything. Any negative review online for anything now, I'm just like somebody, this is going to piss somebody off. Somebody's just not going to be able to handle criticism. I don't think that I don't even know that what we're doing is criticism. I don't know. It's a conversation. It's not criticism, more of how I think of our show anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not worried about it. I don't think, I don't think the Tiger army is as big as it used to be. The Tiger army's powers have been greatly diminished. Yeah. They've been sanctioned too much ever since the war with the necromantics was too costly. All right. Well, that'll do it for this week. 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Our Halloween Spooktacular is back to take a look at American psychobilly band, Tiger Army and their second album
