Kap & J. Hood
10/15 7 AM: The Bears After Glow: Caleb Williams
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Being four and two on the season, defeating the Jacksonville Jaguars, and now they're on the bye week and it's deserved. An opportunity for the Bears to get healed up and get ready for Washington. Their next game on the schedule, but I'm still happy about what we saw. And I always make it very simple for me as a Bears fan, as a sports fan. Would you rather see your favorite team win a game or lose a game? We don't have time to parse through and say, "Well, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm not sure." Here's the thing. Imagine what Bears Monday yesterday would have been like if the Bears were lost against Jacksonville or lost against Carolina or lost against the Rams. It's a three game winning streak and you take nothing away from the Bears for doing that. People can look at the hierarchy of the NFL and say, "Well, I'm not impressed." But what do you think of the Bears coming into the season? Did you think that the Bears would be in a position where they could win three games in a row? No matter what the competition is, with all these moving parts with a rookie quarterback and Caleb Williams and trying to figure out who Shane Waldron is and our offensive coordinator and Matty Reflus is a head coach and just some of these new parts on the offense. Did you know what the Bears were through six games coming into the season? You can have your predictions, but the bottom line is that you'd rather win those games and lose them no matter what the competition is. You beat the teams that are on your schedule, especially teams you're supposed to beat and the Bears were able to do that. One of the major reasons why the Bears are in this position right now at four and two in a very strong NFC North is the quarterback play and the offense. I say this all the time on the show that I'm really into the balance of my favorite football team. For years and years and years, for decades, me growing up on the South side, watching the Chicago Bears with my dad and my uncles and family, gathering around the TV and watching the Chicago Bears, one thing we knew for sure, no matter how good or bad the team was, we knew that the defense would do what it could to be able to help the cause, that the defense would be strong enough to hold up their end of the bargain. And here we are in 2024. The defense is good enough to hold their end of the bargain. But then it's the other part. It's the offensive side of the football that's always been a struggle. More times than not for me as a Bears fan and you as a Bears fan, you've seen the Chicago Bears struggle to try to find that quarterback, that dude, someone that can carry you for a decade. Perennial playoff teams, all these things, right? So I want you to think about what you've seen from Caleb Williams so far and it's still early in his career. He's a rookie, he's got four wins, four out of his first six games, victories. It's not always been great, but the point is though is that you've seen some really great signs from Caleb Williams that he's getting it. Incrementally, step by step, game by game, we see some elite throws. As a college football fan, I saw those elite throws from Caleb Williams in his junior year sometimes and his senior year. But I knew that he was a guy that should be the number one quarterback and the number one pick in the draft because he's such a great athlete. But in my lifetime of watching quarterback play for the Chicago Bears. The number one guy was Jim McMahon and the reason why Jim was the winners because Jim helped the Bears win a Super Bowl championship. 49 wins, 49 and 17 as a quarterback for the Chicago Bears. That's number one. Number two, you think about Mike Tomzak. Tomzak was 23 and 11 in 34 games. He was always in a quarterback controversy. If you remember that era cap, it was always Tomzak in a controversy and he was always solid. You think about someone like Jim Harbaugh. We see him now as a head coach and a genius when it comes to football on the offensive side. But Jim Harbaugh was pretty steady as a quarterback for the Bears. He was 35 and 31. From there, you take a look and you kind of say, okay, well, who's next? I mean, Rex Grossman was part of the team that had the Bears in the Super Bowl. But Rex had some to do with that Super Bowl as much as the trainer. But he was there though. It was a tough season as you recall cap because when the Bears went to the Super Bowl, I don't know what it was like for you down the dial. But for me, it was my first year being at ESPN Chicago and I was like, hey, the Bears win. The Bears won the game. Yeah, Rex sucks. Hey, but the Bears won the game. Yeah, Rex sucks. It was one of the most difficult times in my career where we're excited about the Bears, but no one believed because no one believed in Rex, but yet that team got to the Super Bowl. Well, it's like the 2018 team. Mitch sucks, but the defense is amazing, right? Yeah. They go 12 and four. I was arguing with Shay this morning. You were there. I said the second best quarterback in Bears history is Kayla Williams. And I gave the number one nod to Sid Luckman. He's in the flipping hall of fame. Sure. Shay said, did you see him play? No. Okay, the best quarterback in Bears history that you've watched is Jim McMahon. It's Kayla Williams. No, you know, if you're asking me, it is Jim McMahon because I remember the 85 Super Bowl team. And then here's the thing, Jim is not a Super Bowl champion or not a Hall of Fame quarterback, but he was the best that I saw because even with injury cap, he played and he was tough. He was tough. He was tough. He had 49 wins and 17 losses in a Super Bowl championship. To me in my lifetime, Jim is it. Jim was a really good football player. There's no question about it. But remember Dan Hampton's famous line? Yeah. What did he say? What about the monkey? Monkey driving a limo. Yeah. So Jim was a good football player. No question. And he embodied the city and that personality of that team. But I never looked at Jim McMahon and went, we got the dude. Like I love the personality. He was cool. The guy we got now, it's like a rocket ship we got on. I'm just telling you that, you know, it's Jim McMahon for me because he might have been the monkey driving limo. However, Vince Evans couldn't get that done. Nope. You know, in some of those quarters, Steve Fuller couldn't get that done. So he was a fine backup, but he was not a guy that could lead the team to the Super Bowl. Again, that's a heavy, latent defensive team. Those dicker teams. But Jim put it right on the money to McKinnon and to Galt and had a strong running game and Walter Payton. And they got to the Super Bowl Championship. So Jim is to me is the top. Even though Jake color has more victories, Jim had more quality. Jim McMahon is one. I wrote down Tom Zach. I wrote down Jim Harbaugh. I wrote down Eric Kramer for that one year and 95 that we saw it, but beggars can't be choosers cap. I guess my whole point of looking at the top four quarterbacks in my lifetime and then trying to figure out where Caleb Williams fits is. My hope is that Caleb Williams smashes all the records and has way more wins than a J Cutler or Jim McMahon and more Super Bowl championships. That's the hope. He has all the ability. Now it's about wins and production. Yeah, I've never seen a Bears quarterback in my lifetime look like that guy that we have now. Never. Mitch through six touchdowns against Tampa and never did I look and go. Oh my God. Again, I was his biggest booster in town. Thought he could develop into a really good player. I think he'd be this. No, thought he'd be a good player. He never got there. Rex, fine, fine average. I was never a Cutler guy, did not like to trade the day they made it. Thought they gave up too much. Teams don't get rid of 26 or 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterbacks and he never went to the Pro Bowl again. He was the epitome of mediocrity. 52 and 52 is the Bears quarterback. Never embraced the face of the franchise thing. Just not my cup of tea. He was just 52 and 52 because of the longevity and the Bears got tired of the same treadmill of mediocrity or less than that and say, Jay, this is your team. They didn't make this major switch in the middle of a season all that. Jay was the guy, Cap, for 104 games. He was the guy for the Chicago Bears. So that's why I don't have Cutler on my list because a lot of it was on him, but a lot of it was on the Chicago Bears as well. And the why that was, Cap, is because they did not have enough weapons on a regular basis for Jay to go to, rickety offensive line and offensive coordinator almost every year. So the Bears were just not ready to be able to support Jay. Jay was never going to be great with the Chicago Bears. That's why next man up on my list is Jim McMahon. When I'm giving you, Cap, when I say this about Jim McMahon or Mike Tom Zach or Bob Avelini or Eric Kramer, all those guys, I'm just looking at quarterbacks from when you were 10 years old to now. Luckman, we did not see, but we know that that is the guy. Historically, but I was one of my dad's best friends. But just from 1970, from 70, it has to be Jim McMahon. And I think that Caleb has an opportunity, and again, like all these other quarterbacks, has an opportunity to be great. And this is the best infrastructure that I can remember from a Bears organization and all that time. Where does Justin fit on the list? He's on there with Jack Ken Cannon. And Trubisky. And Chris Chandler, he's down there. Like did Justin ever throw as many touchdowns as Mitch? I don't think so. No, no. I don't think he did. Justin was, is this right, 10 and 28? That was his record in 38 games as a starter with the Bears. Mitch was at 29 wins. Mitch is fourth all time in wins since 1970. It goes Cutler, McMahon, Jim Harbaugh, Mitch Trubisky. Trubisky was 29 and 23. 29 and 23. And he had a 28 touchdown season, right? I believe so. I believe he had a 28 touchdown season in 2018. Just never, ever could process. And I've never seen a Bears quarterback process like the guy we got now. 24 and a 2018. 24. I've never seen a Bears quarterback look like the guy we have now. I get that cap, but again, with perspective, he has to play a full season to be able to evaluate if he's gonna be in all time great or not. He might break all a lot of different records in year one. I'm just saying that it's, this is where, again, our Hot Take Society comes in. Caleb Williams could be a top five quarterback that I've ever seen with the Chicago Bears. He probably is there right now, just based on his ability. However, numbers and production matter. If we say that he's the best quarterback that we've ever seen, or number two, before his season's over, so then what, what if there's a downturn, then do we adjust for inflation? I think, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that. That's not me as a fan. But isn't it fair, like Cody, through six games, isn't it fair to say we really haven't seen a Bears quarterback look like this? Agreed, that's my point. And if the next 11 games, he's just dreadful. A, that would be stunning. And B, then you go, those six games were a mirage, and oops. Yeah, but I don't see any scenario short of God forbid injury that he looks, doesn't look the part. That doesn't mean he'll have a passer rating of 138 every week. He's gonna have a game where, wow, the heck was he looking at? 'Cause he's a rookie. Anybody, Tom Brady made mistakes when he was his, a veteran. That happens, you're human. Like, we've never had a guy look like this, never. CJ Stroud had a three interception, no touchdown game in the middle of the season last year. But I don't think, like, that's going to happen. Nobody looked at it and was like, oh, he's terrible now, we're still going. He's in the middle of one of the greatest rookie quarterback seasons we've ever seen. Yeah, I would say that I'm very, as I said yesterday, I'm very pleased by how the offense has gotten better over the last three games. But again, the evaluation is not based on three games. You can be excited about what you've seen with the Chicago Bears, but also say, okay, let's see if that momentum continues. The hope is, is that these three games are not the high point of the Chicago Bears' offense. I'm glad, I'm hoping that it's not that way. My hope is, is that it gets even better than what we've seen. But I cannot make the bold declaration that the Chicago Bears' offense is fine, it's fixed, and this is the greatest thing we've ever seen. It's not fireworks yet. It's not. You need a year to be able to see whether or not the kid is, it's only fair. We can be excited, but also not be so over-the-top that this is the greatest thing we've ever seen. Yeah, I think that's fair. I just, I've never seen a Bears quarterback that I look and go, that's the dude. Like with Mitch, it was... Well, I hope he's the guy. I think they can develop him into this guy. Excuse me. Is the dude. He's the dude. God. Alex has been killing me. He's the dude. He absolutely is the dude and I've never had a guy in my life where I looked and went, that's the guy. Right there. You never said that about me? Every day. Three, one, two. Three, one, two, three, three, two, ESPN, three, three, two, three, seven, seven, six is our telephone number. Cap says that Caleb Williams is already the best quarterback that we've ever seen where a Bears uniform. Do you agree? Like he's the best quarterback that I've seen through six games in a while. He's telling us that Jim McMahon never had a streak like this, never had the kind of popping circumstance like boy, this offense is moving. Maybe Jim was a good player. Yes. He never looked like this. Yes. He looked like he was in control. Yes. He looked like a leader. He was a tough guy. He was a personality. He never looked like this. Not in the Bears uniform. No shot. I can be excited, Cap. I can be excited about what I've seen. I think we all can as Bears fans. But at the same time, we have to be able to watch how he develops even further. 'Cause if I say that he's the best quarterback I've ever seen in the Bears uniform, I'm no better than what we see over our shoulders every morning. On the bottom of the screen, Caleb Williams, the best Bears quarterback ever. Well, that's the hope, but not through six games into the bye. I know what my eyes tell me. I know what my fairly trained eye tells me. Like if I was an NBA basketball scout, I could go in a gym and go, I think that guy's gonna be good. And there were some you miss and some you hit. I'm telling you that if I walked into the gym, so to speak, and watch this guy play, my report would be he will from day one be the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. That's what I would write. You know when you see something great is when someone can be able to flourish in the eyes of adversity. Has he gone through long losing streaks? Has he gone through a slump himself offensively in the NFL? That's the whole thing. You wanna be able to see chapter in verse how he's able to develop that way. That's like a basketball player cap. You might recruit the greatest shooter and he has a two for 13 on the sheet. Wait a minute now. And he has another three for 13 on the sheet. How does he come out of that? Will he be able to flourish and be able to snap out of it? Or will he be a slump like that for the rest of the season? What game broke him that he wasn't the shooter that you recruited? The same thing in the football. Again, as a freshman or as a rookie in the National Football League, we have to see the ebb and flow of what Caleb Williams does before we can determine, yep, the grace I've ever seen in a Bears uniform. But I remember walking into the gym and watching a guy play, I'm like, who the hell is that? It was Kevin Garnett, he was 16, 2017, 17 years old. He said the same about Tim Leggler too. I can tell what the hell is that. Ryan walked into a gym in Rapid City, South Dakota. Yeah, like, okay, that's the best shooter I've ever seen. Of course, he won the three point contest and he was amazing. They scored 47 the night I was there. But he had one skill set, he could shoot. Yeah, but when I walked in the gym and saw Kevin Garnett, I'm like, okay, that's not normal. Yeah, and he's in the hall of fame for a reason, amazing. So yeah, I think Caleb is on that track to be special. Yes, but again, life is not as easy as four and two in your first six games. It is now, but what about on the other side? No more bi-weeks. What are you gonna do? I'm not being pessimistic. I'm just being cautiously optimistic by saying, and by the way, in his first year, I have them in the playoffs like everybody on the show. We have been the playoffs. We do, but now, again, the ebbs and flows, the peaks and the valleys, how does he handle it? How does he often handle it? How does Shane Waldron handle it? That's all, I mean, right now, the arrows pointing up way up because the three game winning streak. Now, now what? We'll see. I mean, they've done a good job at adjusting and when I listened to Iberfluce yesterday, both with us and then he was even more expansive with the media about the first 15 plays being scripted, Shane Waldron did that in Seattle. They decided to try something different for the rookie quarterback, and then the leadership group came in and said, "Hey, we gotta go back and we gotta script this." So they did, and they're three and all since they did it. All right, let's have your calls in. You heard what Cap City heard what I said about Caleb Williams, the quarterback of the Bears. What do you think? 3-1-2-3-3-2 ESPN, 3-3-2-3-7-7-6 is our telephone number. Cap and Jay Hood, weekday warnings, 7 to 10. Oh, I'm sweating. ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ Watch out, fellas. ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ ♪ This Chicago ♪ (upbeat music) (upbeat music) It's a Cap and Jay Hood morning show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Here's hoping that you're gonna have a great Tuesday as we talk to you about the Bears. Tell me about Caleb Williams in particular. Cap says that Caleb Williams is already the best quarterback we've seen where a Bears uniform in six games. My opinion is that the evaluation comes through a body of work and six games is fine. And we've seen some great things as far as development's concerned. It's not like I've never seen development from a rookie quarterback before. But the point is is that the Bears as a team, as an offense, have to get better. It's a great starting point through the first six games. But before I crown Caleb Williams the best we've ever seen, I like to see him for maybe a year, and I think that's only fair because I wanna see what it looks like Cap when the backs against the wall or if the Bears are gonna continue to flourish this way. - Well let me ask you a question. I'm the general manager of the basketball team or the football team. We'll call them the Chicago Bears. And I call you in. Jonathan, I need you to go sign or scout all the quarterbacks out there. And the whole litany that you go to scout, Jay Cutler, Jim McMahon, you're seeing all of them in their primes. - Yeah. - So we're going back to Grossman, Mitch Trebischey, Justin Fields. And I said, we've got to pick one tomorrow. Who are you taking? - Well, because it's 20, we're doing this in 1995 or do this in 2024. All in their prime right now. - You like the ability to have a quarterback that can run out of the pocket and has a strong arm. That's different than all these other guys that we mentioned before. From the Tom Zacks to the Mike Fipps to all these, Jack Cannon, Dave Craig, you rather have the guy that's a quarterback and an athlete, 'cause that's what you're looking for today. A multi-purpose type of quarterback that can do multiple things. - Okay, so I call you in tomorrow. I said, we're meeting at 8.30. Be there, bring your coffee, and we're gonna get this hammered out. You walk in. Okay, we got to pick at 9.30. We have to announce the number one pick. We get any of those quarterbacks in their prime. Who do you take? - It's Caleb Williams. - No question. - There's no question about that. However, Cap, what I'm seeing from Caleb Williams, I've already saw on the college level. So I'm not surprised. I'm surprised at the early struggles, but what I'm seeing from him, and for those that did not see that, I'm just telling you what I saw as a college football fan. I saw a lot of this when he was a junior. A little bit when he's a senior, but definitely as a junior. So his ability to read defenses and run with the football and be able to get it down the field, that's not a surprise to me. What I'm saying is, is that it's a different level in the NFL. And as easy as it was with that offensive line he had a couple of years ago at USC, it's just different with the NFL. - Yeah, I just look at this kid, and not even the Bears could screw this guy up. Not even the Bears. - Yeah, well, now we have different management. You know, I'm a huge Ryan Polls guy, and it looks like they have the right infrastructure, and they've surrounded him with great players, but not even the most screwed up franchise at quarterback in the history of the league could screw this one up. - Yeah. - For me, that's a Maserati that's parked out there, and every other guy that was here is a freaking you go. - Totally excited about it, but I'm not going to be in the roller coaster of vomit. He's the greatest we've ever seen. Boy, that guy sucks. Because anything else in life, there's stuff in the middle that we have to be able to consider. - Agreed, but I don't think you're ever going to say that. There will be days 'cause he's a human being where you're gonna go, oh, Caleb, it's terrible today. Yeah, that happens. - It does. - But guess what? There will never ever be a time that someone who looks at the Bears is gonna go, yeah, I don't know if they got the dude. They got the dude. He's a freaking Lamborghini, and we got him. - That's fair. - Finally. - That's fair. - Everybody else, they were Buicks. We never had a Lamborghini. - So Lamborghini better than the Maserati, correct? - I'd probably go Lamborghini first. I don't know the cost difference. I've never shopped for those cars, but I'll look that up. - Because if you want speed, it's Lambo over Maserati. - Okay, 'cause Maserati was Mitch. It's about a 60 grand difference, all right? - Which one's more expensive? Lambo? - Yes. - How about Ferrari? - A lot of gray. - Maybach. - Ooh, now you're talking about doing a grand plus. - I think the Ferrari's a little more exclusive, Kaplan. - Well, J. Moore, if you steal it, it's all free, it doesn't cost anything. Gary, Indiana, and Christians with us here on ESPN 1000, Christian, good morning. - Hey, good morning, guys, big fans. When you break it down and put it all together in order, Caleb number one, Justin number two, J, and then Mitch in order. I think our Chicago fans are pretty delusional that we're already talking about. And being the greatest, it's sad, but I just think in general, Chicago sports, I mean, what are the bulls doing? Levine, 200 million, a guy's a generational loser. Love you guys, have a great rest of your day. - All right, snuck in a bull's thought there. The end. - Wow. (laughs) - All right, I'm looking forward to watching Lonzo Ball on CHSN, baby. - On where? - He's back. Where, what channel? - Chicago Sports Network. - Is it on? - I got it. - Oh, do you? - Yeah. - How's that? - Antenna. - And my Antenna? - See? - Bad guy. - I'll get it for you. - No, no, no. You promised. - I did. - And then what happened? You just bought one. Once again. - I actually didn't buy it, Mindy did. - Okay. - And where's Minnie? - I got you one. Oh, wow. The 2024 Lamborghini Revuelto, 604 grand. Wow. The Maybach is just under 400, it's like 360. Wow. - Tell Minnie thanks in advance. - I will. - I appreciate that. See? - Again, bad. - Love the brother next to you. - That's it. - Joey G is in Melrose Park on Cap and Jhood as we talk about Caleb Williams. Joey, good morning. I'll picture me and Hootie in one of those two cars. - Wow. - We're big guys. - Anyways. - Oh, thanks, Joey. - Thanks, thanks. - The kid's turning obvious. - The kid is turning into a tornado. Each game is gonna get better. Camp, I agree with you. This kid's the best that I've ever seen at 63. And Hootie, when you mentioned Jim McMahon, what comes to your mind? - Uh... - This is all the Viking game, where he comes off the bench. - Yeah. - And scores three. So, this morning, I'm listening to this station before you guys, and they had a, you know, a pick five, who could contend against the peace? Who can give the chiefs our time? - Yeah. - And one of them was Buffalo. One of them was, they picked the skins. Minnesota, and I forgot the last one. So, anyways, I don't know why the bears ain't in there. The bears are a sleeping giant. They're gonna keep getting greater and greater each game. This is his tip. - He's the guy, man. - You gotta get Otis into a fair uniform and get him gone. - All right, Joey, we're preaching tough at all. - And I should have Otis the owl. - No. - Now, involved with the bear. - That's not, 'cause that would be the mush. The owl was the mush. Don't bring the owl back. Cap, he was supposed to rally the Cubs of the playoffs. And guess what? Let you down. - And guess what? I can't do everything. They gotta carry their end, it'll bargain too. Try a little bit. Add some talent in the bullpen. - The owl tried, but then, of course, the owl couldn't up push him over the finish line. - The owl finished over 500 now. - Uh-huh, how about the playoffs? - We didn't get there. - Okay. 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-3-2-3-7-7-6-R-Phone number. Let's get your thoughts on Caleb Williams on the Cap and J-Hood Morning Show. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Captain J-Hood, our back. - I appreciate your show. I'm an Uber driver and from 7 to 10 every day, I've got you locked in. - Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. - I'm ready, I'm excited. I'm another child love ball, another child been waiting for a long time. And so, let's get this thing going. Let's show the love from each side. It's, it's. (upbeat music) - Caleb Williams, quarterback to Chicago Bears. We're talking about him right here on the home of the Bears, ESPN-1000. Captain J-Hood, weekday morning 7 to 10, right into Mike Greenberg at 10, followed by Carmen and Yurco at 12. Wanda Miller, 2-3-6-30 into Tyler, in for black and a dollar at 6-30. All part of the mix right here on a Tuesday on ESPN-1000. The Captain J-Hood morning show will give you Shire No-Shire coming up at eight o'clock. We're talking to you about Caleb Williams. And Captain says that Caleb Williams is already the best quarterback we've ever seen in the Bears uniform. Do you agree? And so, we're getting your comments on that. Just my overall thought is like my hope is, is that he's the grace we've ever seen in the Bears uniform. That means multiple championships, that means being a perennial playoff team. Again, what it comes down to, Cap is, is that you want to continue the momentum that you've had. For those that look at the schedule and say all the Bears didn't beat anybody, the Bears beat NFL teams. And you got to start someplace. We knew this coming in, Cap, when you looked at the schedule, when the schedule was unveiled, we said, oh, look at who the Bears are playing. And then you don't play the NFC North until, what is it, mid-November? Man, that's a long way. So now you get better on both sides of the football. Take it on these teams, hopefully Washington will be one of those teams, and you move forward and you just march on. You're just trying to win the next game. It's hard to do that in the NFL. Yeah, and there's going to be moments where we go, I don't know, they shouldn't have lost that game. They lost the indie game. I think that was a great learning experience, as painful as it was. There are going to be games. They're not going to win every game. This is a process here. But I can look at that dude and tell you we got the guy. We got the guy. Dennis is on the west side, on Captain J. Hood. Dennis, good morning. Gentlemen, good morning, how are you? Good, Dennis, thank you. Tell buddy. Okay, I would like to chime in about this. I think, I got, Cap, man, you are, you have a reasonable, very reasonable argument, because I've been a Bears fan, where I've been able to take it in since 1977. So when Walter Payton was chasing O.J. Simpson, so I saw Bob Avelini, Vince Evans, and J. Hood, I'm so disappointed. You have Mike Thompson in there. Let me throw some context at you here. What would you guys agree or disagree that from '84 to '90, the Bears may have had, historically, one of the best defenses ever? That's correct. It's a fact. So statistically, you know, Mike Thompson was 7-0 in 1986, even though he had two touchdowns and 10 interceptions. So why, and how can we count his win-loss record, when that was exclusively because of that defense that set the record for lowest points against? I mean, no. Well, the answer to your question, Dennis, is, Beggars can't be choosers. The Bears quarterback room over the years has usually been horrible. But however, when we look at the Chicago Bears historically, as I said, I think at the beginning of the show, it's always been about the defense. Whether we had a good team or a bad team, the defense always carried the day. I'm just picking out the quarterbacks that I thought in my lifetime were solid. But think about it. If it's not him, where should I go to? Should I go to Dave Craig? Should I choose him? Should I choose Brian Greasey? Should I choose, should I go with Cordell Stewart? It's been bad a lot. This is why Cap could say that about Caleb Williams, because look what we've had since 1970. It has not been great. So yeah, for me to take my Tom Zach and my top five, that's not bad. Compared to everything else that the Bears have had. No, I agree with you. I think for the last 47 years, the Bears have had the worst production at that position in all the NFL. But as much as I was disappointed in Jay Cutler with all of the talent that he had and the tools that he had, you can't tell me that if you put Jay Cutler on the 86 team with that offense and the scheme that they ran, running the ball and that defense, he wouldn't have done more than Mike Tom Zach. I just think our bar is so low. - But there's a clear on your message something. Mike Tom Zach was beloved by the guys in the room. They liked him. They liked playing with him. They looked at him and went, all right, we'll follow that. I mean, he might not be the most talent. He didn't have Cutler's talent. Jay was not beloved in the room. That's a big problem. - No, I get that. I'm actually supporting the argument that you can look at a guy after six games and as poor as players, we've had a quarterback and say, again, not talking about Sid Luckman 'cause we didn't see him. That this guy right here could be the best that we've ever seen at that position for our team because of how mediocre the play has been. And I just was saying the time deck thing because yeah, they liked them. Just like the Cubs like Dan B Swanson, but you guys call him Jeff Blauzer. You could like him all you want, but he's not gonna win you a championship. Give me the production. - Yeah, he's a complimentary piece. Caleb's the man. - Yeah, there's a difference. - There's a difference. - It's an agent difference there. - Our buddy's filling Shane's text. It said, stop with the Lamborghinis. He's a $30 million Rolls Royce, like the limited edition. - Okay, I'm good. We'll see about that. Does that Rolls Royce have any tires? - Yes. - Okay, we're gonna find that. - Yeah. - We're gonna find out. Mark in Naperville on Captain Jay Hood. Hey Mark, good morning. - Good morning. - What's up, buddy? - I'm 78. I've been around since watching the bear since 1956. - So I have a little perspective, I think, at it. And, Capp, you know, I love you, but you're the guy that always says pump the brakes, buddy. So I think this is time for you to pump the brakes. I think the analogy that I could use is, if Michael Burton, remember when he got hurt, early in his career. - Okay, broke his foot in his second year too. - Okay, all right. - Came back. - If he never would have played another game, never would you have said he's the greatest bull ever? I doubt it, but you would have said he had the potential to be the greatest bear bull ever. So look, Caleb passes all the eye tests for me. I couldn't be more excited. I haven't been this excited about watching a bear game in years and years, in just about forever. So I'm with you, but I think the thing you'd have to say is he's probably has the greatest potential of anybody I've ever seen. He hasn't even played a divisional game yet. So let's pump the brakes a little bit. - Fair, I'm just saying to you that I'm not counting the heaven forbid possibility that the guy got hurt and didn't play. I'm saying if he keeps playing, I'm confident in telling you he will be the, there's, it's not even gonna be close. - I'm with you, Cap. I think you just said it. If he, you know, if all of this other stuff, so what you're really saying, in my opinion is he has the potential to be that with what you see right now, he has the potential to be the greatest quarterback. That's just what you said. - Yeah, like I asked Woody, if you could draft any quarterback in the history of the franchise, would you dare take the guy after six games and I would? - Yes, I would agree with that. - Right, and Woody, Woody says the same thing. I think you're looking at it from two different ways. - But my perspective is what you just said. It's more than six games, is the arrow pointing up yes, but you talked about the divisional games, which is a step up in class. It's the best division in the national football league. When you take on the Packers, you can't beat lately. When you take on a hot Vikings team and a Lions team that is on the precipice of getting to the Super Bowl again, 'cause I think they're that good again, Hutchinson or not, I think they're that good, that's a step up in class. That's another, those are three big tests from Caleb Williams and the Bears. You had a match on those tests. - So I'm with you, Woody. That's what I'm really saying is you gotta go through all of this process first. My eye test says this guy has the potential. I've never been more excited. He has the potential to be the greatest I've ever seen. I can't, you know, I got up so early on Sunday earlier than I'd ever would have because I was just excited to see that game early in the morning. He passes all that eye test stuff, but you know, I think you have to follow Woody's lead here. I think he's saying the same thing. I am in this particular case. I love the guy. I think he has the potential to be the greatest ever by far in bear history. And like I said, I go back all the way to 1956. So I got a lot of perspective on the thing, but I have to agree with Woody where I think we're, all of you guys are just excited as I am, but pump the brakes a little bit before you say he's the greatest. - Yeah. - All right, Mark, I actually thought if there was a car, I'm not sure if that is. - Mark, I think we have. - It's like, whoa, Cap, we're both in the car together, but I've got the brake. - You do. - I'm not gonna slide us off the road. 'Cause you know what that means. - You know, we have problems. - Four hours of it on sportsman-like. - Yes. - Be careful now. - Be careful. - Oh, three, one, two. - Canty's bad quarterback takes. - Yeah, that's exactly right. It's funny. - I love Chris. - It's funny you should mention that. - Two weeks ago, Caleb's not in the same stratosphere as Chris Fields, oh my God, make me puke, as Jane Daniels and as C.J. Strong. I'll give you a strat, he's proven it. I'll give you that. - Really, Chris, Justin Fields. Put the tape on, man, you know football. What'd you do? Get something in your eye that week? - He'll change in two weeks though. - Damn. - That's the whole difference. That's why you just have to keep the rig on the road with your opinion. - I'm actually texting today. - Hey, Flippy, how's it going this morning? - Oh, geez, that don't go over well, yes. - Speaking of Chris Canty, he doesn't believe in the Bears. If you don't believe us, here at next on Captain J-hood. - Yeah, damn. (upbeat music) - You're listening to Captain J-hood. Follow the show on Instagram @thecatman and @igjhood. This is ESPN Chicago. Chicago's home for sports. - Yo. (upbeat music) - Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. - There is no future in your front end when it comes to ESPN 1,000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. Captain J-hood, with you. Don't forget, we got Shadow No Shot coming way to eight o'clock. Chris Canty from on Sportsman Like. Five to seven right here on ESPN 1,000 before we come on the air cap. Does not believe in the Chicago Bears this season. - If you're asking me to pick which one of the NFC North teams would be out, I would probably go with the Bears. 'Cause I'm not as bullish on them as Evan seems to be. Like, I think Kayla Williams has shown strides the last couple of weeks, but context matters. You're talking about playing the Carolina Panthers and the Jacksonville Jaguars. So I gotta temper my expectations on that. Like, this was by far the best game he's played as a pro and you're hoping that he can stack and he can build off of that. The Chicago Bears fans, there've been two quarterbacks that the Bears could have had not named Kayla Williams over the last two off seasons. And that was Jayden Daniels this off season in the draft and C.J. Stroud last year. You passed on both of them for Kayla Williams. I think it is a high bar to clear for Kayla Williams to usurp both of those guys in terms of where they're at. Is he in a good place with his development? Yes. Is he going to be the best quarterback in this drive class? No, is he gonna be the best quarterback the Bears could have had over the last two years? No. And that's the part where I think it's gonna be hard for Bears fans to square. If we don't see this steady development from Kayla. Well, I couldn't disagree with him more. Kayla's a better player than Jayden Daniels. He just is. And how does he know that? I thought he's been six games. Well, it's the same dude that, and I like Chris. Same dude two weeks ago. He's not the same stratosphere as Justin Fields. Who do we have to click off the list next? Daniels? Straws a great player. I'm not denigrating him in any way, shape or form. You've already got Jayden Daniels. Like the Bears, if they could do the draft over would take him, they would not. I can guarantee you that. That is correct. Like, watch the two of them play and actually watch what's happening in each of their games. And this is not a shot at Jayden Daniels. I think he's fantastic. But if you watch what the commanders are doing, Cliff Kingsbury's calling the plays. Jayden Daniels is running them. It's a lot of putting a defender in conflict. Single read, get the ball where it needs to be. And Jayden's executing that offense beautifully. It's nothing against him as a player. Kayla Williams is running a no huddle and calling plays and adjusting plays at the line of scrimmage in full command of the offense. He's doing more advanced stuff than I think even Stroud was doing last year. I didn't see Stroud in full command of the offense the way they put Kayla Bennett. - I just-- - Not this early and not this often. - Do you understand, Cap, why I can't do business like that? I can't do my fandom like that. Now here's the thing. I know that all the chips will be in the middle of the table when the Bears take on the Washington commanders 'cause everyone's gonna be watching. Okay, is it going to be Jayden Daniels or is it going to be Kayla Williams? Who's the best quarterback? Okay, it's only one game. But everyone's gonna push their chips to the middle of the table and say if the Bears fall short, that came up as less than, that Bears fans will regret not having Jayden Daniels. That will be the narrative. I'm gonna tell you, that'll be the narrative nationally. And he's already pushing that narrative of saying the Bears fan is looking at Jayden Daniels like, "Oh, we should've had him." I know we got that early, but again, this is why you let things play out. That's why I can't evaluate after six games where they're not, you know, Kayla Williams will be the greatest of all time. You know why? Because you have to be able to look at the ebbs and flows of every season, especially this first season. That's only fair. That's only fair. - I understand your point. I understand it. I empathize with it. When I hear, can't they say that? That's someone then who has not talked to Ryan Polls or talked to people on that team like I have. I've sat there and asked players with no microphone, not where that's filtered. They're like, "Dude, this dude is legit, man. He's the guy. He is going to go down in history." That's just ridiculous. - Shaar no shots in two minutes on Captain J. Hood.