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Hey, what's going on? I'm doing well. I'm looking forward to being back on. Yeah, man. How do you how do you guys view Sunday or such a pro you've seen every up and every down? Like for us as fans, we're watching what feels like two good teams going at it. You guys came up a little short, but nothing to be discouraged about from our perspective. How do you guys feel? Oh, you know, we were played to win games, you know, so we're definitely feeling it, you know, it sucks. But there is some some good stuff within the lining there. Absolutely. I mean, you know, give the Baltimore Ravens some credit. They are one of the best teams in the league. And you know, we're right there. We feel like we definitely could have made place to win that game. So far as that goes, I mean, that's good, but and never really not good because we didn't win the game. So I guess take it, take it for what it's worth, you know, a good game, but we got to win games. So I don't really necessarily say we feel good about it, but it's not a terrible feeling. So say four and two chance to get to five and two back at home against Carolina. We'll talk about the Panthers coming up in just a few minutes with the Austin, but specific to the Ravens game, not a complaint, more of an observation. You guys did way less running the ball, even trying to, then you have all season long. I know B-Rob was out. I wonder if that's why or was that the game plan seemingly all week? The Ravens are the number one run stuffing team in the league. The numbers eventually bared out that they did a really good job, but you didn't have some success on a couple early carries. Did you know going into the game just collectively, it would be a lot more passing and a lot less running than has been the case. Yeah, I think every game has a life of its own and every game plan also does as well, depending on how the game is going. And you go into the game facing a good run defense. Okay, we know that that's from their going to hold their hat on. We don't want to continue to beat ourselves into a wall. If that's not working for us, let's get to something else and hopefully find some success in other things that we've been doing, you know, moving, jading around, letting him use his legs, throwing the ball down the field, maybe running on the perimeter, some QB keepers, things like that. And so when we go into the game plan, yes, we have different things that we think are going to work, but then there's also things that you get to and be able to adjust away from. Okay, run games are not working. What can we supplement? Do we go to more to the screen game? You know, we were hitting it on some screens and quick throws, things like that to kind of compliment the run games. Less risky throws, more higher percentage completion, things like that. And, you know, we didn't do enough ultimately to make it work and make enough plays to actually, you know, get to get the job done. But game plans are like fluid, they're like water. So you never really know how it's going to continue. It's never going to be perfect. So you kind of got to adjust on the fly. You mentioned the screen game, Austin, and Austin Echler with this year on Grant and Annie. Grant and I were both raving about this. I have never seen a flea flicker screen. Like when that's first, when that's first brought up, it's like, it's, I mean, it's almost like, like an old school. You know what I'm like, hear me out, you know what I mean? Like, here's the idea. We're going to, we're going to do a flea flicker screen. It sounds like the craziest idea ever. What a thing of beauty that was. Go through that play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was, that was really creative, absolutely. So shout out to Cliff for providing that one, whoever found that one on the staff. You know, the football, the copycat league, I mean, I feel like at this point, every type of play has been run. It's really rare when you find a new place. So someone ran that at some point. I might even have been in college, like they pulled up some clip. I forgot what team it was, but they ran the flea flicker screen. And we're like, all right, we got this, we got this up this week. And sure enough, we were practicing all week. Actually, the first time we practiced it, I got stepped on by an offensive lineman because I went too fast across the formation. And I got to realize, okay, this is going to be a long screen because we got to hand it off. Jeremy's got to run a couple steps, throw the ball back, and then we got to get James to throw it to me. And then we have to run down the field and we can have any linemen down the field. And so went through it a couple of times. You never get the right timing with screens just because it's really hard to simulate like game style reps. But we broke it down. We ran it, I think, three times during practice that week. Like, you know, we got a good feel for it. Won't be really patient. Do a three count, and sure enough, ended up working out. Actually, we were accounting for a blitzer coming off the edge. So kind of improvised where I tried to block Rowquan over there. And then I kind of got stunned back and then Jeremy didn't even look at the pitch when he threw it back. No look throws it back. And then he goes to block zero. And then Jane grabs it, things that to me, and then we gassed her for like 30 yards. So it was pretty epic. Yeah, out of the shot in front. That was one of my favorite plays I've seen in years. So cool. It was just so creative. And I'm not suggesting like Cliff came up with it, you know, in his dreams or something. To your point, I'm sure you saw or somebody saw it run somewhere. But you answered my next question, which is, so that's not something that has been in the playbook since camp. Like that was something this week that basically you guys heard about saw for the first time and quote unquote installed. Oh yeah, I think I told you guys just like earlier on, you know, one of our earlier interviews and you know, for the listeners that are listening to me this first time hearing me. But we have now entire new playbook every week. But there's probably 30% of new plays that are specifically for this week. We have our bread and butter that we can, you know, run at our fleet that we've been doing since training camp and OTAs. But then it's like, okay, this is the game plan for this week. And here's what we're going to call these things. And so there's always a new turnover every week. Which makes what you guys do so much more impressive. I mean, you almost need to be like a Mensa resident to play in the National Football League with all the different terminology. So play like that. It doesn't need 10 words. It's the scat left or 72 six diver nine microphone glass. Like dude, like Philly special. Do you just have like Washington special or are there 15 words like a normal play? Uh, it's kind of both. I mean, it depends on what we have going on. We try to have tempo. So we try to maximize the simplicity of it of correlating things to things that make sense in our brain like left, right call using different type of left rights. You know, you might have, you know, an R word for a right, an L word for the last map that the word can be the entire play. So the whole play is a whole line. It's a whole sentence. But on the field, we're just saying one word, you know, we're saying tree, tree, tree. And it means that whole giant thing that yours talked about before. So we try to make it as simple as possible so we can play fast. I love that. The greatest honor of our lifetime would be on one of your trick plays. Like Ben Johnson. S three guys touch it. The quarterback gets it throws down field to the tackle who's eligible and he rumbles for a fat guy touchdown. Can we call that the grant and Danny? Just get worked that in the grant and Danny is your trick play. You know, we got a suggestion box. Maybe I'll put something in there for you. There you go. That's what we're looking for. Yeah. I just again, just thinking about how, you know, rapidly game plans change, would you guys have to, you know, to add and learn every week. You mentioned the no huddle part of this thing. You guys lead the universe in, in not huddling. Now it's not all like conventional hurry up, but it's basically catching people in, in, in matchups that you like and then, and then going from there. How tough is that to stay on the same page? And you mentioned it, the defense could probably hear some of the things you guys are saying. How do you make sure that it's still coded and secret and, and how hard is that to keep organized? Oh, yeah, it was definitely a huge adjustment for me early on just for being, from being in a huddle for the past seven years of my football journey. And they come into Cliffs offense where now everything is sign language and one word codes. So that was a huge adjustment. But then now at this point, pretty much used to it and can really, you know, run and stay on the fly. But yeah, even our code words, you know, even though the plays that we'll have from week to week, we'll make sure to change signals. So we have signal meetings, we have different one word meetings. Sometimes stuff will get changed at practice and we're like, yeah, let's call this this. And everyone's like, yeah, everyone doing that. Yeah. All right. We're changing it. So now everyone now that's a new code word. We got to make sure everyone's up to date. So it's forever evolving. But when you live in it and you breathe it, and this is what you do on a daily basis, it's not as crazy as it seems. So you really kind of correlate, okay, this play used to be this. Now we call it this. So it's easy to change, easy to pick up. So one more on that one, Austin, did you ever play baseball as a kid, bunny chance? I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah. So remember like a third base coach, like they had to learn all the signs. And then if they thought the other team was figuring out the signs, they would have to give a dummy center, like they'd wipe it off or something like that to make that sign not live. Do you have something like that where if you, because you might say the same code word twice in the same game, right? And then someone might, Oh, I remember that that's this play. Do you have words like that like almost fake words or dummy words? Yeah. So look, the NFL, like we're doing everything we can to get an edge right on our other opponent. So we understand that other teams are going to be looking at our signal. So we have plays that might have been a signal from last week. That is actually a different play for this week because it might be like all of our plays are kind of evolving. And so it's going to be really hard to like understand our signals just because that play, that signal met this last week. Now it's actually the counter for that, or maybe it's just a totally different play from that. So I mean, good luck, you know, trying to keep up with it. And there's just so many damn signals that you're going to be wasting your time to try and figure them all out. You might let us play up and you know, play your technique. Austin, it seems like they are very adamant about not overworking you, even with Robinson, not playing in the second half last week. We saw a lot of McNichols this past week, no Robinson. And you know, I think you kept off at nine carries. Do you appreciate that and understand it? Or is that something where you go, Hey guys, you don't have to baby me here, right? I'll be okay. You can give me a little more work. Yeah, it's a long season. It's a long season. And we got some talent in our backfield, you know, Jeremy's been playing well, be Rob's been playing well. I've been staying efficient. And so that's that's what you're going to see when it back to like this. And that's one of the things that intrigued me here was, Hey, we do have players that can play and so guess what we're going to be able to spread as much as that love as we possibly can. And for the longevity of our careers for this season, like that's, that's a positive I see, especially me going into your eight, like the healthier we can be, especially in the back end of this thing, the better. So at the front end, hey, if we can still win game and we're continuing to rotate people and people and people playing at a high level, like let's keep rolling. Austin, go back to Sunday. One more from me on on that. You mentioned maybe there were some opportunities or things that you guys could have done. Is there something in particular that jumps the mind where you go, man, that was close, we could have had that one or that was there and I didn't make a player or something to that effect. Is there is there one that jumps out at you? Yeah, there's a few, there's a few different plays, but it's not necessarily like it's there's multiple of us that are involved in things, you know, it's always the smallest things that that play themselves out or don't play themselves out, you know, it's maybe, you know, like a shallow route that actually should have sat down, but they took two extra steps and the ball was behind and we dropped the ball and on third down or we didn't hand off the read or actually should have been a pull read. And so it's a accumulation of small little decisions that you can't really, can't really say like this is exactly how it's going to go because sometimes we make it work. It's just kind of the part of playing the game that we need to do and we happen to play at a high level that you can't really practice. You know, it's like when you're even like some of the scrambles that James getting out and places that, hey, you probably should have, you know, VCAC on up, push back and then come back to the ball and gave James the throw right here. And so it's not necessarily anything specific because I don't want to say this is the play that could have turned everything around because it's not that one play, but there's small little details that we could have done better in a couple of different instances. And this is that would have made big, significant plays for sure. Austin Echler on Grant and Danny here on the fan. What was your reaction to the news that John Allen has been so important in this organization over the years is lost for the season with the torn pack? Yeah, it's freaking devastating. Obviously, man, just for what he means, not even have the players as far as on the field gets that second, but let's just say in our locker room too, like he's definitely one of those leaders, one of our guys that brings us up, you know, during practice or during the, you know, during the game, you know, gives us a speech, you know, really connected to pretty much the entirety of the team and the organization been here for a long time. So one of those, those life, life guys in the locker room and then obviously on the field, you know, is definitely a tear, holds his own strong. And so it's, it's obviously a hit to our team and, you know, we're working in the best, but definitely something that is going to definitely affect us. So now it's not necessarily next man up. It is, but you know, it's like it's sucked because you can't really replace that type of leadership, you know. Absolutely. Speaking of guys that, that, uh, in this is past week, we're going to talk about Brian Robinson. Do you know when you're running makes coming back? I can't really speak on injuries. You guys, you guys know this. Um, and so we'll, we'll see. We'll see. I'll let, I'll let that play itself out. But it's, he's feeling all right for the most part. I mean, we don't need to know if he's going to play or not, but I mean, you can tell. I hope so. I can't even say that. I can't, I got, I got to hold my tongue like that. No information about injuries could come from my mouth. Don't want you getting in trouble. That's right. Nobody needs that at this point. Oh, let's talk painters for a second. When do you start watching film on the upcoming opponent? They've got a coordinator, I believe still in the Jiro Evero who gets head coaching opportunities. Everybody seems to love around the league. Really sharp guy. The Angela Hall, former Redskins, been on that staff the last couple of years as well. They do a pretty good job on that side of the ball for kind of their faults in the standings. What have you seen so far? Yeah, I usually watch the highlights. You know, there's like, there's like a, I go to NFL scores on Google and then it like shows like the highlights and I watch like the 15 minute clip, usually on like Monday or Tuesday and then Wednesday. So tomorrow, you know, this is going out live today. It's live right now. I don't know. Tomorrow and Wednesday is usually when I start diving into actual watching their film because I feel like Tuesday is like my mental reset day. Like today is the day where I just get to kind of not think about football, reset my mind. Then in the morning, I'm like looking forward to being back in with the guys, seeing the new updates on the new teams, the new game plan, all of that. So I'll start jumping in into it tomorrow. But for us, like it is all about this week dominating this week, making sure we get this win this week. We're back home. So that's going to be a great atmosphere. We know there and it's about going to dominate the Panthers. So that's all we focusing on this week. Austin, you mentioned you guys are coming home last one message to the fans, man. You guys are playing in front of a, hopefully a rock is crowned against Carolina Panthers. What do you want to say to them? Hey, continue to bring the energy. Hey, we love you and we love what you've been doing. I'm new. I'm the new kid on the block and what I've seen so far, not even from our organization, but beyond that, just the fans around the love has been tremendous and outstanding. So we appreciate you guys. And I know things have been tough in the past, but hey, we are a new team with some new goals and new aspirations. I think you're feeling that new energy. So stay tuned for some more. We'll see you up there. Yeah, it looks very different. It feels very different. And we are happy with the results at this point. Austin Echler thrilled to talk to him every week. Always very, very good with us. Thank you, Austin. We appreciate you, buddy. Hey, boy. Have a good one. Yeah, be good brother. Stay healthy. There's Austin Echler on Grant and Danny brought to you by IT cadre. They're trusted insight, helping leaders of the nation's most important organizations understand complexity, align efforts and make the best data-driven decisions to achieve success. IT cadre, your vision, our purpose. I was going to catch up with Austin. So yeah, I mean, this is what I always wonder, right? I mean, pro football players and really pro athletes in general don't think of things the way that we do. They're not wired like regular human beings, understandably. You got to be pretty special to make it to that level, the elite one fraction of a millionth of a percent at the highest level of things. So they don't think about it like, oh, we lost to a good team. Aw, shucks. It's one of those like, no, that sucks, dude. That's not what we're here to do. You know what I mean? Like we're not here just to say that we tried. And I don't know, that's easy for us to kind of rationalize, but it sticks in their crawl a little bit, which I like. Sunday is going to be ultra revealing. I want to get into that next. I mean, this will be the end of the, what is this team discussion, in my opinion, once and for all, if they're able to handle the Panthers without much issue. Let's talk about that next grant and Danny with you taking you up to 6 30. It's a survivor Tuesday on the fan. From town councils to Capitol Hill, agents who are real tours are advocating for what's right. We're working to increase affordable housing supply and ensure fair housing for all. Real tours are members of the National Association of Real Tours. That's who we are. The sharpest rides spooktacular savings event is happening now with unbeatable seasonal clearance deals. But only through the end of this month, whether you're looking for a reliable sedan, family friendly SUV or something sporty. 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If they go out and beat the Panthers by 10 points, even by seven or eight points in a game where there's never really a risk of losing. It's like, frankly, Washington lost a Baltimore by seven. Did you ever think the Ravens were going to lose? No. Was there ever a moment really after the opening field goal of the pick by Sandra Still, the three, three score early where you thought the commanders are going to steal this game? Yeah, that's that's as good as a guide is there's a chance they could steal it, but it felt like they were playing a team that was better than they were to me most of it. Yeah, I think if they play that game with the Panthers and win score, not mattering, but probably seven points or more. Let's say it's not a squeaker. It's not a last second field goal. What have you? They're just good. Like we need to stop worrying about all the years as prologue and everything before this and who the last head coach and the last coordinator and the last quarterbacks were. And you just look at this resume. And while playing with the Ravens was indicative that they're pretty good, even in a loss, because you hung and you got the consolation prize, so to speak. I know Eclor's not feeling that said it sucks. We don't play that game. We can. I think sitting in studio, but I think equally as significant as how do you deal with the Panthers? Because when you played the Cardinals, you didn't play down. When you played the Browns, you whooped that butt. They have not played down. And we will be at almost the midway point of the season, about 40% into the season where they're in first place, five and two and handling bad teams. So if they come out and they beat Carolina decisively, I'm over the what are they, how good are they? Is this the whatever the next phase of shows that we need to start doing are we begin next week. I'm not playing the are they really the seventh best team in the league? Are they really is the other shoe going to drop? Maybe there's a regression. Maybe Kingsbury runs into the wall offensively. He's been unbelievable. Maybe Jaden's rookie season, you know, goes sideways a little bit at some point with adjustments. All of that, it's not going to be linear. It's it's there. It might happen. Yeah, but they're a good football team period. And I think Sunday is my gavel slamming moment where it's over after that. I would tend to agree. You've gone from nice stretch, which was was unbelievable. The four games. And if you then kind of, you know, as we're going through it, you beat the Giants by a field goal, probably a different game if they actually have a field goal kicker that doesn't pull his groin before the game. Bangles, they didn't stop anybody. Bangles missed, you know, whatever was a chip shot field goal from a guy that says reliable as anybody and then had to go for two, two times. The point is that's 38 points right there. That's what Washington up score, 38, 38. So you still go, okay, they've won these couple of games and that's fun. That was awesome. But in that football, we were there. It was great. It was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching the sport. But now we're going, okay, two fun games. But now what? Well, now what is they play their best game of the season at Arizona? Then they probably played just as good as that better against Cleveland against a pretty good defense. So now you're going, I now look at the first two wins through a different lens. Yeah, this is what I keep, I use this word off a lot and I hate that I overuse it, but it becomes validating. Your previous sample no longer becomes a fluke, right? It's no longer that data spike, right, where you have a guy that score that gets like 50 out of 100 every test and then one, he gets a 95 and the teacher's probably going, he might have cheated on that one because he's, that's my pretty reliable F student all of a sudden rolled in and turned in a work and it was beautiful pros. Maybe there's something to miss here. When there's no spikes anymore, it's just the line that you're on. That's what you, that's where you are. That's who you are. The longer you do something more is that's what you do. So this to me is a, I'm holding my stamp and I'm going to hit validated if they handle business against a bad tape. It's the Washington's actually really good stamp and you just slam it down on that paper. Washington should win the division stamp. I've already used that one. Now, Washington isn't bad stamp. I've used that one. Whoa, Cliff Kingsbury and and Jayden Daniels are making beautiful music and this might actually be a thing offensively stamp. I've already used that one, but I will be ready to use my, this is no longer a week-to-week referendum and conversation. The expectation when they're five and two in beat Carolina, if that happens should be you should hold them to the standard of don't play down to the giant. We'll be in a realm we haven't been in in years and years and years, which is very, very exciting, but I do want to open up the phones on this for you guys. It's been a light day in terms of opportunities for you guys to call. We've had some good guests and had some good conversations and some audio we wanted to play, but let's open up the MGM National Harbor listener lines right now, 1-800-636-1067. Do you agree with my premise that after this weekend, we can officially stop the week-to-week? What are we really discussions because the flip side of the decisive win, which I think is the slam dunk, is a loss to Carolina, which I think does open the door to wait a second. You're four and three and you had the really good stretch, but you've beaten a Giants team that is going to pick in the top 10. A Bengals team that just beat the Giants barely to get to two wins. Thanks. It's a Miss Field goals. A Cardinals team that's not very good and a Cleveland team that might be the worst in the National Football League that just sold off one of their best players today because they're so bad. And I think if you lose to Carolina, you have played down to the Panthers. It is the type of game for many, many years you've lost. And then I think the bears on paper is a toss up and there's no reason to believe you're not going to play down to the Giants who almost beat you in week two, right? So I think the whole field becomes different. Whereas if you win, you've won five of your last six. The only loss in a competitive game on the road against one of the better teams in football and the Baltimore Ravens. And the road ahead is a Bears team. You're going to be favored over a Giants team. You're a lot better than on paper. A Steelers team that'll be frisky, hard to play. That's not a fun matchup, but you should beat them. Like, I just think that this weekend finally is the, all right, enough is enough. We will know for sure once and for all in X number of hours. Now, what about this scenario? We talked about this a bunch when it came to remember these conversations a decade ago about paying Kirk cousins and the team's gamble, which was if he's great with this year to year thing. Yeah, no problem. You got a very quarterback. You just pay him whatever. If he's bad, no problem. You pay you pay your free hands clear. But what if he's pretty good? What if he's, what if he's better than what you've had, but it's not unbelievable? Then you're in a quandary. What if they beat Carolina, but you know what I mean? What if they equal on out against Carolina, a garbage team on the, for Washington at home? Like the way that, I don't know, you could pick your, your, your mediocre win, your unimpressive win. If they, if they go full Siriani against the Browns, right, he got against against a bad team. How validating will that be? Is that one of those? We'll take the win. We don't care. And do we still do referendums each week? That's the one I don't know about. I don't, I don't have an answer to that question. 806361067. Let's go to Chris and Oxen Hill on G and D. Chris, you buying what I'm selling here that this is going to be the tell that this game will once and for all answer what Washington really is. Okay, I was a wall fellow. Definitely appreciate you. I think I'm a court today. Oh, I'll be honest with you, Brent. I'm, I'm 50 50. Reason being is because I've been watching the same since the 90s. Um, and ever since the 90s, I've been very disappointed with where we were and where we went and don't get me wrong. I'm, I'm totally thinking that we're better than we were, but I want to say right now the step that I can definitely say is that we are better than where we were. And you know, whenever I call, got to take it back to wrestling. So, you know, I want to say right now, we're like, we're like that tag team that's, that's doing better than what they were, but we're not champions just yet. So I'm hoping that we can get to that level. And like I said, I, I really think that we're almost there, but I just don't think that we're there just yet. Definitely appreciate y'all taking my call. Thanks, dude. We're like the Intercontinental champion, like what the honky talk man was for so many years. Where's the Dudley boys while they're ascending? We need to start putting some people through tables. Danny get the tables and the Panthers will be the first team we send through. How about that? Do we send Ryan through a table? Cleary went through a table once. That was a different Ryan. He's, he was twice the way it is now. Yeah. Like not even doing a bit. He, well, I don't know. I don't know. It was quite twice. I think it's twice as much. He weighs 100 now. I think, I think, well, I think he's a little bit more than 100 now. He was a lot more than 100 then. Yeah. I don't know. I know he was, he's very skinny now. And he was not very skinny then. And he went crashing through that hot knife, butter, they greeted. I don't like his chances to get through the table anymore. The Panthers are a better team with the Bryce Young benching. And because of that, I do think they can play with everybody mostly. Like last week, they gave the Falcons some problems. If you just look at the box score or the score at the end of the game, you'd say, oh, Atlanta destroyed Carolina. They really did. The Falcons were right there in that game. There's actually a blocked punt that hurt them that helped Atlanta. There was a turnover deep in their own end as well on a short field. They have beaten the Raiders. They have hung with and played with Cincinnati, like the pre Dalton Panthers. That's an 0 and 17, 1 and 16. You should beat this team by 20 kind of opponent. That's not really what Carolina is now. Carolina now is just one of the bad teams in the league. They're regular bad now. Exactly. They're on the same level with, if you look at the conference standings, you pick whoever you want, but like playing Jacksonville, New England and Cleveland is about the same as playing Carolina playing maybe in the NFC. I don't know that there are teams as bad as them, but like the Giants, the Saints, the Cardinals, those are the two win teams in the league. I think all of those teams are probably a hair better than the Panthers, but the gap with Dalton is not Grand Canyon anymore. So that's why I kind of think this will be revealing. It's not going to be an easy game. You don't just get to roll the football out and go in, but if you can't handle them, you just keep doing that whenever you play teams that aren't that good. So that's just what you've become to your point. Precisely. Yeah. I mean, nobody's saying again that they have a, the murderers row coming up and I've got to beat all those teams just to get in or something in that effect. There are winnable games as we kind of do this dance every year. And for so long, I always used to get angry at people go, well, they're playing down to their opponent. Every single city is going, thank God it's Washington. They're not playing down to anybody. They were the down. They're not the down anymore. I also think that sometimes you can look at that game against the Ravens and go, they proved that they're good. They hung with Baltimore. Bad teams play up a lot. And I'm not saying they're bad, but like teams play above their skis because it's easy because there's nobody's expecting you to win. You're the underdog on the road. It's a better situation than the expectations. I actually think it's the, the more revealing telling thing is when the really good team just dominates the bad team. That's the behavior that actually kind of turns me on a little bit more. If you want to talk about a good football team is not, I like that we were close with Baltimore. No, no, no, no. It's the, this team that's not as good as me. Yeah. Team, it's pick and top five. You whoop their ass came to my place and I sent them home with the L that everybody knew I was going to and I might have even done it more decisively than people thought. I mean, since when has that ever been the case here? Not in my adult life has Washington been that team that just dominates the bad team and they have a chance to do it Sunday. Well, let's hear what you guys have to say on this next 800-636-1067. Grant and Danny on the fan a huge NFL news day. We'll go through some of the trades that were made today on the fan when we continue. Taking a first statistical look at the Carolina Panthers ahead of Sunday. I think it's Bryce Young, Jayden Daniels related if I had to guess last year's number one pick. This year's number two pick is we're all excited. If you missed the news earlier today, we're starting to get to the point where Washington is kind of being fought over by the networks. CBS has flexed next week's commander's bears game in week eight to a 425 kick so they can nationally televise it. They're going to put the A team. It sounds like Nancy Romo on that game, but this was already scheduled for a clock. I believe this was the only one and it's just funny that it's Panthers Washington in DC. Last week, Panthers Falcons was a four o'clock game with Chris Myers on the call. It's not some 18 B team situation. It's just a random game where they put it at four o'clock for some reason in that window. Just seems strange to me. That's all. I think they probably thought Bryce Young's coming into his own with Dave Canales. He's red hot. Jayden Daniels is one of the more intriguing quarterbacks in the league as a rookie. Let's make sure we have a decent audience for this one. And it's the B team on CBS with my favorite crew anyway. I and Eagle and Charles Davis. You also have to take into account it's the 405 game. The 425 game is actually going to be on Fox and that'll be the Chiefs and 49ers. So it's technically not the national. That's what I said. Right. Yeah. It's not necessarily the one national game. The one national game will be the Chiefs 49ers game on Fox. Right. But that's what I just said. I mean, it's a CBS non 18 game. So there's no reason to have it at 405. Well, I think the other thing the NFL is trying to do is they're trying to make sure that there's multiple enough games in that four o'clock window for Red Zone. So but why this one? This was the Panthers who are bad and the commanders who were supposed to be bad. There's not another game this weekend that on paper looked better than this one. Now it worked out because you get Jayden Daniels in the four o'clock window. But they actively avoided that. There's not one other Washington East Coast game that was going to be played at 405 all season. And every home game was at 105. Maybe everybody's got to do it once. My voice is going up because I don't know. That's good. There are games that are further west. And that's what I think of when I think of the four o'clock like Detroit, Minnesota, middle of the country, better game, by the way, Houston, Green Bay, pretty good game, better game. Are those at one? Those are both owners. Are either of those on CBS? I don't know. If they are, then then now I really don't know. Houston Green Bay is the gymnast, Tony Romo game. So that's the CBS one o'clock special. Detroit, Minnesota appears to be Fox's one o'clock top game. Okay, because they have their B team on that. So yeah, you're not going to put they pick the right A game. I'll say that with Detroit, Minnesota, for sure. Which the one o'clock, Nancy Romo situation also odd, but we don't need to get into those details that they're nationally televised game. Isn't able to go head to head with Fox like it did a few years ago. Uh huh. Now they basically one gets the four o'clock window. One gets the one kind of strange. Let's go to Will who's in Baltimore home of the Ravens. What's up, Will? Hey guys, how y'all doing? Thank you for having me on. You man. You bet. So first and foremost, long time fan. I've been a skinned fan since I was two years old. I'm 43 now. And now I guess now we're the commanders and I'm trying to deal with that the best I can. But let's talk about what happened this past weekend. A lot of people, uh, you know, obviously are upset wanting to make trades and we all need to really take a step back. How long has it been since this organization in general has dealt with? Let's say the Snyder era. That was a a dismal, horrible time for all of us as fans. Nothing good to really talk about. We had a little excitement with RG three. Um, obviously that wasn't handled correctly, but you know, let's move on from that. Now we've got Adam Peters. We've got an owner that actually cares. Seems like he's committed to the fans to being actually putting a product on the field. We also have Adam Peters that says he wants to mimic or replicate the Ravens organization. I cannot think of a better organization from top to bottom to mimic. Now, granted, that's been a great organization since day one, since the times that they're draft and Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden and all those greats they had. We are slowly building towards something. So I'm going to get you back on track here a little bit. Question is this weekend, game against the Panthers by herself that this will be when we find out once and for all how good this team is. We already found that out this weekend. We went up against a top team. And I apologize by going off. You're good. I'm just so you think that they already did that against Baltimore because they're one of the pillars of the league right now. Most definitely. I mean, you think about Kansas City and Baltimore, the top two teams and now granted. We called we grind. We went toe to toe the best that we could. However, though, Baltimore is a premium house and we should as long as we could not granted. We could give us a couple extra pieces on defense and playmakers. I don't think we have this legit playmakers yet. Totally appreciate the call. So his argument isn't and I want to say where you come in on this Danny. This is what we're talking about right before break. Going up against one of the elites and being right there is what he needed to see. I was hoping to see that. I love seeing that. I actually think I learned more when you go up against the bad teams and you crushed them. The Browns game was more revealing to me than the Ravens game. Which side are you on there? Yeah. The being able to handle your business is not something we're used to. I've seen them beat bad teams plenty of times. I see them beat good teams plenty of times that people over rate those and maybe underrate the others. It's the dismantling. It's the other team that's not on your level. Never at once looks like they have a chance. They just get throttled and that's what it's supposed to look like. So I think I do buy that in general. I mean, again, this is such a with injuries and schedules and the way this league goes. There's undulations and ups and downs. They don't have enough deposits in the bank for me over over multiple years to get benefit of the doubt. In other words, four games in a row where they won is four games so far. You've got a chance to now make it. No, no, this is who we are this coming weekend, I think. So there's still a little bit hanging in the air for me. He said he's heard from fans being upset that want to make trades. I think those are two different things. I haven't really heard any fans that have been particularly upset about what's going on with the committee and where they lost or maybe angry at a specific player, but I think 95% of what I have heard has been that they are thrilled that they hung and like kind of what he's saying that they're really good because they almost beat the Ravens. That's different than let's be aggressive and go get a corner because this seems actually good enough to win the division and maybe win a playoff game. Maybe help out this defense that's not very good with adding some personnel. But I think that's different than being bothered by the Ravens game. I think I don't know what I've heard being at the game, talking to a lot of fans. The phones the last couple of days, social media has been 99% very positive. Yeah, I've seen some and there's some crossover in the Venn diagrams there where this guy stinks or this part of the team stinks, let's go trade for somebody to replace them and upgrade because we have a chance to do something this year. Maybe more out of frustration from that Ravens game specifically, but in general, I agree with you. That's a sentiment. All right, if you guys are getting in on command or survivor, you got to vote right now because Daris and Ryan are about to tabulate all the votes. Facebook.com/grantondanny. We are kicking somebody off the island and we're giving somebody immunity. We will tell you who wins and loses and commander survivor this week next segment. 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