-Ready! -All right, Karisica, please have a one-word, uh, saw trap-themed prompt. -Bear trap. -Perfect. Here we go, three, two, one. Never seen a bear, IRL. I know someone has... -Can't? -I don't think it's me. -So, I thought it was our best. -Oh, I thought it was our best. -I don't think that. I don't know if I've seen a bear. I mean, maybe the zoo. -Do they have bears on the zoo? -Yeah. -They have bears on the zoo? -I probably seen a bear. -Hold on, what's the bear? -Hold on, what's the bear's on the zoo? -Hey, I want to invite you to the "Overtalking" podcast. -Uh, this is... I don't know. This is the "Overtalking" podcast with your host, Ken, and CJ. -Perfect. This is the show where we talk over TV shows and movies as chosen by our guests, and it's spooky months still, so we're sticking with our theme of classic horror movie monsters and villains, and this week we're doing Vigsaw with the original saw. It's the original saw. That's the original saw, for sure, yeah. But to hear her experiences with bears, let's bring out our guests. It's Chris, so welcome back. -Hi, guys. -Hi! -Oh, my gosh. -You just tapped into one of my greatest fears, and I'm not sure that you did this. Did either of you know about my real, real fear of bears? -I did. -No. -Well... -I didn't see what you did, yeah. -I'm about to tell you about it, because I... This has actually been top of mind all year. I took a trip into Grizzly country earlier this year. My sister and I went to Glacier National Park, and it was genuinely the scariest part of the whole experience for me. It was just the prospect of seeing a grizzly bear, and in the weeks leading up to going to Glacier, it was like everything around me, the whole universe was serving me up grizzly bear content, to the point where I was like, this has to be a joke. Like, this can't actually be happening, but I will report, we did not see a single bear while we were there. -Oh, good. -Yeah, I was actually kind of... Yeah, I was actually kind of disappointed at the end of the trip that I hadn't at least seen one, like from a distance. Like, and I was looking, because I was like, if I'm in the car, I want to see a grizzly bear on the side of the road, or, you know, from a distance. Nope, none. I was really... I had my bear spray. I was prepared. We were very bear aware, as they say, but no bears. -That's a fun bear. -Bare aware. -Bare aware. We were... -Bare aware. -Because you're not supposed to like... You're supposed to be very loud, because like, they don't want to see you. We don't want to see them, but they also don't want to see you. So, if you're really loud, usually they'll, like, stay away. So, we were making up lots of little songs to sing on the trail to keep the bears away, and most of them went something like this. Bear, bear, bear, bear, bear, bear, bear, bear, bear, because we weren't very creative and... Yeah. -Yeah, I have seen plenty of videos on Instagram where it's like a bear charging towards people, and then so they all just start yelling, and then it runs away. -Yep. In fact... -There's a lot of loud noises right? -Yes. I am still, like, when I open up my Google Chrome, even to this day, I, like, number one, number two headline that I always see is like, "Grizzly bear attack in Glacier National Park." "Grizzly bear attack in Glacier National Park." I literally just saw one, like, right before we logged on. It was like, the trail that we were on is closed right now because of grizzlies. -Yeah. I heard too, it's more that they want you to run. They like chasing things. -Yeah. If you run, they think that you're brave. -So, the charge at you is sort of their way to try to get you to start running, but if you don't and just hold your ground and start yelling, then it's like, "Oh, okay." -Megan and I watched a lot of alone, which is like a older survival show, and anytime they see a bear, all of them say the exact same thing, which I I'm sure you can see anything, but they all say, "Hey bear. Hey bear." -We were doing a lot of that, too. We're doing a lot of "Hey bear," and remembering the saying. Do you guys know the bear saying? -No. Is this real? -Black attack. Yes. Black attack. Brown. Lay down. White. Good night, because if a polar bear gets you, you're just dead. So, night night. -Yeah. And also, where are you coming across a polar bear? -Right. If you're running into a polar bear, I feel like maybe that's a you problem? -Yeah. -Yeah. -That's on you. -Yeah. -Well, Chris, it's spooky month, and of course, we had to heavy back for that. Something I forgot to ask last week, but that I want to ask everyone this month, is with Halloween coming up, growing up, did you go trick-or-treating much, and did you hear of any local superstitions or any local wives' tales or anything like that? -Oh, that is a really good question. Two-part question. Yes, we did go trick-or-treating. I went trick-or-treating until I was probably much too old to go trick-or-treating, into middle school, where at that point, it's like the houses don't really want you to show up, so they're like, "You're just here for the candy. Just take your candy and get out of here." -Yeah, middle school is the border, I think. -Yeah. I think so. Had some good costumes. We also had a family friend who threw a big Halloween party every year, so we would always dress up as a family and go to the big Halloween party, which was always a treat and a trick. But, in terms of spooky stories, did you two know? See, I'm just pulling out all the things did you know. Did you know that I grew up in a haunted house? -Yes, and we have talked about that in the film before. -Oh, darn. Well, that's my only good spooky story. Otherwise, no real good spooky stories. We did have some houses in the neighborhood that were really scary, and they'd go all out for Halloween, and it was always scary as a little kid to go to the really scary houses, because the adults were just fully there to scare the shit out of you. And I'm like, "Okay, old man, what do you have against me, an 11-year-old girl?" -That's real freaks. -Yeah, but that's about it. What about you? -No, just the razor blade in the apple story is the only thing that I can think of, but yeah, I don't know. I can't think of any like local ones, even. That's just like a big one you hear about. I do want to follow up on your haunted house story, though, and I'm going to do a horrible job recapping it. So, can you give us like the five-second recap? Because I know the ghost followed you, and I kind of want to get an update on if recently you've experienced anything. -Oh, sure. Did it follow you to Chicago? -It didn't. I left. Her name was Mrs. Bookman. I left her in Athens, Ohio, in my dorm room. As far as I know, she's still there. She's probably haunting whoever lives in that dorm room now. Yeah, she's, she's pining after me. She's thinking about me, and I'm thinking about her. But no, as a kid, we just had a friendly ghost. She was around always pulling weird pranks in the house, like turning music on and off, turning all the lights on, turning all the way off. Yeah, she was just having a good time, and then when I went to college, my roommate and I both had experiences in the dorm room with her. But then, yeah, after we left college, it was all over. I kind of wish that she would come back. I kind of wish that she was in the house with me right now, and maybe she is. -Very important follow-up question. Was Mrs. Bookman a librarian? -That's a good question, and I don't know the answer. -I feel like you should be. Did she knock books off the shelves ever? -No, no, mostly she would trip us walking down the stairs, and it definitely wasn't just because we were all clumsy. It was definitely her. Yeah, and she would show up in photos as an orb, which sounds made up, but every single family photo of us from that time, my mom has a big, weird orb on her, so explain that. -I can't. -Gobby ghost. -Has to be a ghost. Has to be a ghost. It's the only explanation. Eric doesn't believe in ghosts, so he wouldn't be very fond of this conversation, but until he has a paranormal experience, I think he'll be skeptical, but someday I hope he has that experience. -I'll be honest, I am on Eric's page, but I think it's fun. I think it's fun to entertain it, but- -You just wish your husband gets haunted, is that what I- -Yeah, I wish he was haunted. CJ, have you had any paranormal experiences? -None that come to mind. We have a webcam set up in our cabin up in Minnesota, just to make sure that if a storm rolls through and breaks a bunch of shit, or if somehow, for some reason, somebody would break in on what the hell you would steal from there, but my mom likes to show videos of that, because it's like the black and white security camera type stuff, and it's almost always just a fly. I think it just- -Yeah. They're like, "Oh, do you see that? Like, something darted across the screen." It's like- -Yeah, buzzing, it's ghost. -Yeah, it's ghost. -Well, I have seen these videos. I think sometimes it's definitely dust in the air, but I don't know. I'm open to it. I'm open to it. I want to see it, so. -I'm of the- like, I believe that at least the laws of physics, like, energy can either be created nor destroyed. -That's what they say. -So then, if you die, like, we literally have electricity in our bodies and stuff like that. I do feel like it has to go somewhere. -I got to go somewhere. -Anyway, I don't- I don't want to debunk too far. I genuinely enjoy this stuff, because, like, I watch YouTube videos of, like, spooky stuff, like, what you recorded in your lake house, CJ, or just people's recounting of ghosts that they experienced as well. So, I don't know. I really enjoy it. -Okay, big question, though. What's scarier, ghosts or aliens? -Oh, scarier aliens. -Scarrier aliens. -Yeah. -Aliens are scarier. Okay, and why, tell me? -Because they're real. -Because they're real, yeah. -Okay, you've been talking to Eric. That's what he says, too. -Like, ghosts can't normally touch you or maybe they can, like, inside- -Are you touched by aliens often, Ken? Have you been touched by an alien? -We don't talk about it on the show. -That's what therapies were. -I love the idea that ghosts aren't real and aliens are. That doesn't make any sense. -Aliens have what he does make sense. -The universe is so big. -Yes, they're for sure, aliens. -We just don't know about them. -I mean, I agree with you, but can apply the same logic to ghosts. -No, I don't know about that. -You can't. -Oh, my gosh. -There might be some creatures similar to what we picture as ghosts somewhere out in the universe. That's a possibility. -Oh, that's interesting. -Yeah. -That is interesting. -Huh, are you saying that ghosts are aliens? -I mean, it could be that they're, you know, parallel universe kind of thing or, like, ghosts kind of, like, slip through a different universe into ours for a second. -Oh, I love this. I genuinely wish we could pivot the podcast to just talking about paranormal things like those. -Hey, you know I'm always up for it. -Have you guys heard of the thing that a soul weighs 21 grams? -Yeah. -That they, like- -Excuse me? -That they, they, like, measured a person on, like, a scale and then, like, as they died, the weight went down, like, 21 grams or whatever? -That's real. There's a movie called 21 grams, which is not very much about that, but yeah, like, that's a real thing. -I love that. I love that so much and it tells me everything I need to know about why ghosts are real. -Can, I'm just going to say, I don't think that is real. -It's real. -No, it's not. -Or maybe this is a wise tale. Maybe this is an actual, like, yeah, in pop culture. There was a paper published in American Medicine, but it was in 1907 and later was very heavily criticized. -They didn't do peer review back then. -Yeah. -There is a real movie and maybe we should cover it on there, sometimes. So because there's a movie, it has to be real. -That's real. -The movie's real. That's what I meant. -There is a book by Mary Roach about, oh, called Spook. Science tackles the afterlife. So she, she goes around and interviews actual scientists studying this sort of stuff. Highly recommend that any of her books are incredible, but she goes and interviews people and Ken, I think you would like it. A lot of people have interviews of reincarnation where these children know details about somebody's live that they absolutely should not and creepy stuff like that and they address the 21 grams thing. Yeah, it's really good. -That shit always makes, I love that stuff with a little kid who knows things that they shouldn't know. That is so funny to me. I just, I love that. I, yeah, I want more of it. -This is great. Do either of you know, like, of podcasts that talk about this stuff? Like, I feel like that's my next rabbit hole? -Yes, Paul Giamatti's podcast. -Paul Giamatti's podcast, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. -Oh, really? -Yeah, and he co-hosted it with some, like, university professor that actually knows what he's talking about, like, into philosophy or something. -That's very cool. I was just going to say, unfortunately, I do still listen to last podcast on the left and they sometimes get into paranormal stuff. I think that I know much more about the paranormal than maybe I'd like to admit from that podcast, but it's just kind of sprinkled in. It's not the main focus of the show, but every now and then, you get a nice little paranormal episode. -I think I follow them. Do they release, like, a 31-day challenge of watching horror movies? -Oh, I don't know. -Maybe that's not them, never mind. Some podcasts that I follow that I don't actually listen to release is, like, a themed 31-horror movie watching, where it's, like, day one, watch an anthology movie. Day two, watch, like, a ghost movie. -That's cool. -It's really cool that they put that out there. -Yeah. -Yeah, I like that. Letting you still choose the movie, but narrowing it down to, like, a category. -It's a guidance. Totally. I like that. And you get a variety of stuff, too, just inherently. Yeah. It's cool. I can never stick to that, though, because I don't know. So, I am doing that right now, but, like, there's days where I just don't have time for a whole movie, and I'll just put out, like, something that qualifies, like, a goosebumps episode. -It's totally fun. -But, yeah, it's still fun. -That's fun, though. We're actually right now doing Hitchcock, so we've watched several old Hitchcocks in the last month or so, which has been fun, because I've never seen any of those, and they're not, maybe, they're maybe not traditionally, like, horror, but they're thrillers, and they're fun, and they're spooky. I've been really enjoying those. -Are you watching them because of the podcast with the love guy? -We sure are. You know it. Yeah. In Gorley, no. What's it called? I don't- -In someone we trust- -In Voorhees, we trust with Gorley and Rust. That's what it's called. -Paul Rust. -Matt Gorley, Paul Rust. Yes, they're talking Hitchcock right now, so that's what we're doing. It's been really fun. -Nice. -Saw rear window for the first time, also recently, which, again, is not really horror, but kind of in the same genre space. Lots of old stuff right now. I've been enjoying it. -Nice. I recently went to the music box to watch Bile M for Murder, because they were still in 3D there. -Yeah. -And then I listened to that podcast episode, too, because it was like that. That's perfect. -Yeah, that was a fun one. -Yeah. -I think I've seen any of his stuff. -What? -I think that's a huge blind spot. -Psycho, even? -No. -Huh. -The original psycho? No. I've seen the other one. -Yeah. -It's very good. It's worth seeing. -Oh, yeah. Wow. I'm surprised we haven't covered. Yeah. You really have some deep-cut blind spots. We got to cover at some point. -I had an idea that I'll pitch live on the air that Ken has not heard, but I don't know if you saw, they came out with a remake of the movie The Crow, so I was going to say we should do Bird Month, and then we can watch Hitchcock's Birds as well. -I've never seen the Birds. -I've never seen it either. -You can do the Birds, the original Crow, the remake of The Crow, which I hear is terrible, but... -Yeah, it's terrible. The original's cool. At least the lore around it. I feel like we could talk about that a lot. -Yeah. -All right. -Yeah, I'm down. -Bird Month coming to Bird Month. Some months, I think we've got a lot of months busy coming up, but yeah, probably in the new year. Hit us up on what Bird Movie we should watch. -What Bird-related content can we add? -All right. We're 20 minutes into the episode. We have to take a break. We'll be right back to talk about Saw and more coming out on the over-tacking podcast. The Angry Birds Movie. -Oh, my God. What about, like, Chicken Run? -Ooh. Now we're doing the Angry Birds, and the Angry Birds, too. -Hello, Adam, Dr. Gordon. I want to play a game. -The jigsaw killer. -Paul, find a path with a race of wire. -Technically speaking, he's not really a murderer. He'll never kill anyone. -Dr. Gordon, you're even in this game. -Is to be allowed. -If you do not, then Diana will die. -Finds ways for his victims to kill themselves. -I remember back on the over-tacking podcast run once again by long-time returning guest Chris, and we're talking about Saw. -Saw. -Where's the voice? I want the voice. -I want to play a game. We're going to put 30 seconds on the clock. You have 30 seconds to describe for someone who's not yet seen Saw what it's all about. Ready, go. -All right. We've got Adam and Dr. Gordon. They wake up in a nasty, nasty bathroom, and they are trying to figure out what the heck they're doing there and how the heck they're going to get out. They find some tools that may or may not assist them in their escape, but a ton of reflection, they think maybe they are the victims of notorious serial killer. -I thought about trying to do the voice and just immediately chickened out and didn't do it. -Yes. That was a pretty good synopsis. I feel like the people in Saw would be able to figure out ways out of the traps better if they were drinking magic mind. -The mental performance shot that you and I have been drinking every day? -That's the one siege. We love it. We've talked a lot about the benefits we both receive from drinking it every single day, but one thing we haven't really talked too much about is how easy it is to get it. We both have a subscription to Magic Mind, and it just shows up at my door every month, and I pop it in the fridge and I drink one a day, and it's super, super easy. -It's so easy that if you go to magicmind.com/overtalkingpod20, you can get up to 48% off said subscription or 20% off a first-time purchase. -Yes, you can do it one purchase if you want, but honestly, the subscription is the way to go. I mean, it's just recurring. You got it every day. Super, super easy. Again, that's using code OvertalkingPod20, that's O-V-E-R-T-A-L-K-I-N-G-P-O-D20 at checkout to get either 20% off a one-time purchase or 48% off that subscription. -And Ken, did you know that Magic Mind donates five cents for every bottle sold to mental health charities and services that assist impoverished and homeless communities within the United States? -I did know that. -I think that's pretty dang cool. -I don't know why we haven't been talking about that, but yeah, that's really awesome. -That is awesome. -So yeah, get your subscription to Magic Mind. Today, we love it. We drink it. It's great. - Helps to be productive, helps your brain keep going, got all that natural ingredients, like matcha, lion's mane, new tropics, adaptogens, all the things your brain loves. -But, yeah, they didn't drink it, so they're stuck in this. -It's part of the movie. -Well, are they? Have you seen all the sequel CJ? -Spoilers, some of them are dead. CJ, have you seen any of the sequels? -Yes, I don't remember which ones. I've seen a few. I remember watching, and Ken, I have to assume this was with you, probably, so... -Maybe. -Yeah. Definitely was not just me at home by myself throwing this on. -I'm sure it was not. Yeah, Krista, have you seen many of the sequels? All of them? -I have seen all of them. -Awesome. -We finally finished all 10 of them last year, but my favorites are obviously one, two, and three. They are, and I imagine, CJ, that you've probably seen two and or three. -Yes, I think at least three. -Those three, from my perspective, are gold, and then it goes downhill pretty quickly from there, but I have seen all of them. I do enjoy it as a complete story, and can I assume you've also seen all of them? -Yeah, multiple times, and yeah, as a complete story, it's great. It's just individual movies, and I remember thinking this when I saw them in theaters, but like, man, they recap a lot of stuff, and it's like, the timeline's so convoluted. Like, there's no way someone really had the four thoughts to plan out different movies way ahead of time so that he can continue killing people after he died. Come on, man. -I love that you brought that up because I agree, there is no way that when they made this very first movie that they had all of these twists and turns and connections and everything planned out, but it doesn't even matter because with every new reveal that someone from the past was behind it all along, you're like, "This is amazing. This is the best thing I've ever seen. I love this." -Oh, yeah, it still feels like a really unique epiphany every single time it happens, but it happens a lot. -Yeah, it does. It loses its shine pretty quickly. You're always like, "Okay, who from the past is going to come back this time?" But it still continues to surprise me in every subsequent movie somehow. -Yeah, for sure. Did you see the latest one? What was it called? Spiral or whatever? Is that it? -No, there was one after that. -Spiral, the last one, saw X? -Oh, socks. Yes, socks. -Socks. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, socks. I did see saw X. -It's technically saw too, if you think about it. -It is. It is. I always want more jigsaw backstory, so anytime we get some jigsaw backstory or excessive flashbacks with our boy Tobin Bell, I love it. So a bad movie, bad movie. Good story. -Yeah, not the best movie, but jigsaw goes on vacation as kind of a unique premise. Is that really what it is? -I guess you'll have to watch and find out. -Yeah, it's not wrong. -It's not wrong. Well, CJ, I was shocked that you had seen this first movie at all. In fact, when Ken and I were scheduling this behind your back, because we couldn't include you, because I couldn't say no. We both said, like, I doubt if CJ's seen this, but you have seen it. When did you see it? -Probably when it came out, I think. Like, high school, is that what that would be? -Oh, you know what? I actually remember going to watch a sequel with you in the theater, I think. -See? It was your fault. -Yeah. -It was such a big deal. -It was. -Because it would come out like almost every year, and so it was just the thing people would go to watch. -I think it was literally every year, like, around Halloween time, a new one would come out for, like, nine or ten-- no, not that many years, because there are only ten movies total, for, like, maybe the first five? -At least for, like, five years in a row. -Yeah. -Because I would go every single year, and I was probably too young to be doing this, because the first one came out in, what, 2004? -Yeah. -I saw all of those first-- -You saw-- -You movies in the theater. I saw all of them in the theater. My dad took us, so me and my sister and my dad, every Halloween would go see the new Saw movie, and I'm, like, 10, and we're, like, cheering. We're, like, yeah, I love this shit. -Good times. Good times. -So, I don't know if you guys can believe it, but this is actually the 20th anniversary of Saw. -I know, I saw that. -They're gonna be re-releasing in the theaters, actually, this upcoming week when this is being released, so October 20th and 23rd, you know, feature a special intro from Jigsaw himself, Tobin Bell. -Wow. -Wait, that's the one I-- I only want the intro if it's Jigsaw. I don't want Tobin Bell. I want-- -I want you to watch this movie. -Yeah, exactly. -And it's just the puppet talking to us. -Yeah. -Yeah, I think there are some misconceptions that the puppet is Jigsaw, but I want to be clear that the puppet's name is Billy. -It is actually Billy, yes. -It is Billy, which is the silliest name. -Yes. -He's a pretty spooky little puppet, but no, our boy, John Kramer, he, to me, is such a quintessential horror villain. I just-- I can't imagine a better villain. -Yeah, that's-- I struck old, for sure. I mean, the casting in this movie is kind of wild, considering-- I don't know how much you guys know about how this movie came about, but this is like James Wands and Lei Wennell's first feature film. -Yeah. -And they're huge horror people now. And this is-- this launched their career, and they were just two people trying to make movies, and this was supposed to be direct-to-video, wasn't supposed to get a wide release, but they've got great people in this movie, like Danny Glover, they've got Princess Bride guy. You know, I'm surprised that it was supposed to be direct-to-video, because it's, you know, it starts out of cast, and it's like an incredible movie, like, I don't know. -Yeah. I will say, not so much fun on a rewatch when you know all of the twists. -Really? -Yeah. -I still enjoy it. -I love the rewatch. -It's still like a good movie, but like, I remember it being a gigantic reveal, and then now rewatching it, knowing the entire time, you're just like, "Yep, and that guy-- is that guy?" And they either-- you know that, and like, you're just kind of waiting for the-- -Believe it or not, listeners, we have not spoiled it, and I don't think we need to, because it's-- -I don't think so either. -Yeah. -No, there's no reason to-- -Talk up, refer to it, but like, yeah, it's-- -Yeah, if anyone listening has not seen it, highly recommend, even if it's just for that twist at the end, and that's all I'll say about the twist, it's just a all-around good time, and like you said, CJ, on rewatch, you know, this movie is 20 years old, you can see the, you know, the cracks in the facade a little bit. This wasn't like a high-budget movie. It's-- the acting isn't always great, despite having some amazing talent. The effects are pretty bad, but that makes it fun, and I think digestible for someone who maybe otherwise would avoid gore, because the effects aren't really that realistic. -Yeah, so I wanted to talk about what version of the movie did you guys watch. I watched the extended version on HBO Max, or just Max, and I'm not sure it was extended. Okay, it's CJ, which-- what did you watch? -I watched the same version as you can, which is one minute shorter than the normal version. -Yeah, it's one minute shorter-- -It's not making any events. -I didn't notice any real gore, and I was wondering if it was actually maybe the edited version, but when he cuts off his foot in the version that you watched, Chris, do you see him actually doing it? -No. -Okay, all right. That's supposed to be like a baronstein bear's thing for me, but like I-- they didn't show him actually cutting off his foot. It's just a little bit of blood when he starts to sigh, and that was it. -Exactly. It's like a lot of the stuff that you know is happening you don't see, and yes, your mind fills in the gaps, but like there isn't like a ton of on-screen gore. -I think that's smart. -I think so too. -I think it hearkens back to long legs, and that they hand away, and you don't actually see the people die. They're kind of off-screen. -You're exactly right. -And by hearkens back, I mean, you know, they came out this year. -Informs 20 years later. -Yeah, 20 years later. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -But yeah, I think that's smart. I think then you have you're able to have more people sort of digest it and tolerate it because of this. -Yeah, and it's great that they stuck with that for the entire series. -Are you being serious? I was gonna say-- -They for sure like go way down the horror torture porn path. -That's what I was going to say is, and I don't know if I'm just getting old, which I mean, I am getting old, but I feel like in the later movies, I would get way more squeamish. And like in even in recent years, when I was watching some of the newer Saw movies, like Socks, as we discussed, I would get like grossed out and I'd have to look away. And like, I don't think of myself as like a squeamish person, but maybe it's just because I thought I could handle it from these early movies where we're not actually getting a lot of that. And then when they lean into it, I found that I couldn't handle it quite as well. -Well, yeah, I mean, they go all out, like pushing the boundaries of like what they think audiences can handle. In this first movie, it's just exploring the idea and more so a vehicle to-- I mean, there's a lot of different things going on in this movie, right? Like, it's not just the game. It's understanding how they got there. It's understanding who the killer is, who the killer is working with, which is a whole different people in relationships. Yeah, there's a lot of different things. Oh, the police aspect, too. Yeah. A lot of stuff's going on. -Did this movie kick off the escape room craze? I probably did. -It probably did. That's when I was like, "Oh, this is an escape room. Is that where this is?" -That's so-- -I mean, it probably really helped people get inspired to want to do them. 'Cause you know there's people watching this movie being like, "I would have figured it out immediately." I don't know, would you? Well, if they're drinking magic wine, they probably would have-- -Well, obviously. -Yeah, Ken and I would. -At least you obviously have it. -I did. This is something that I wanted to talk to you guys about. -Magic mind. -We see several-- well, magic mind for one. But we see several traps in this first movie, and I wanted to get both of your perspectives. Do you think you would have what it takes to get out of a saw trap? -No. So, is the question, "Do I have what it takes to cut my own foot off in order to escape?" -Yes. The question is, you find yourself in a nasty, nasty bathroom, and the only way out is to saw off your own foot. Are you doing it? Or are you not doing it? -Okay, realistically, I think I could do it, but I can't do it if it's timed. I need the full amount of time. If I'm in the bathroom, sawing off a foot, I could probably eventually build up the courage to do it. But if I have like 60 seconds to cut open my own stomach to get a key out or something like that, that's not my pressure. -Me either. I was reflecting on it today, and I just don't think I have the will. I don't have that kind of will to live. I would be like, "It's my time. Goodbye." -Yes, this is it. Something's going to kill me. I guess it's this one, I guess. Now, I get all of the traps mixed up because I've seen all of the movies. But is this the one, too, where there's a key implanted behind someone's eye? No, that one grosses me out so much. -I both are always gross. They're squishy and make pop noises and stuff. -No, gnarly. Ken and I were comparing notes on our other favorite trap from, I believe the second movie, The Pit of Needles, which is the syringe pit. -The syringe pit, classic syringe pit. -But that's one of my, I think that's my favorite movie of the series. I don't know why. I think it's just because there's a house full of multiple different traps and it's just fun. -It's an excellent. -I got a song home alone house. -I love the second one, but I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. Sucks that the wet bandits got caught and put it this off. -Well, believe it or not, it's time for, hey, do you know that? -That's right. For new listeners, this is the trivia portion of our show. We put our guests in CJ head-to-head to see who knows the most about what we watched. Chris says, "CJ, are you ready to play a game?" -I'm so ready and I'm going to be so embarrassed if I lose. -All right, first question, just closest. How long did Danny Glover film for Saw? -Oh, boy. He's a big name. I would say they had him for less than a week. I'm going to say three days. -I was going to say two days. I think it's, yeah, I think you're on the right track very short. -CJ gets the point two days. -Nice. Very short. They crushed it in because he's too big of a name. -Yeah. -I figured one day, like, without the makeup and one with the makeup, and then that was- -Yeah, you're exactly right. -All right, next question. So given that, how long did filming last for the whole movie? -Okay, same logic, not a huge budget. -Not a lot of set pieces. -Yeah. I'm going to say, okay, I'm logicing my way through it. Logicing, is that a word? Less than a month, I'm going to say three full weeks. -Guess of 21 days. -21 days. Let's say 21 days. -Okay. That's a good guess. I'll say a bit more, maybe more towards a month, like 28 days. -20 days later. -No. Yeah, Krista was closer, 18 days. -18 days. -Wow. -Yeah, pretty quick. And yeah, I think we mentioned this before, but this is- they had no budget for this movie, but it became like- it is one of the most profitable horror movies of all time. I think probably only be even by maybe paranormal activity or blue. -Mm-hmm, yep, yep, it's up there. And I have one piece of trivia that helped me answer that question, which I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself in your trivia game, but that they like didn't have, at the end of shooting, when they went into editing, they didn't have enough for the movie. -Yeah. -So they ended up using a lot of like test takes in like the final cut and also just filling it out with like other kind of garbage. So I imagined that they weren't spending a lot of days on this, if at the end of it, they didn't have enough footage. -Interest. -Yeah, they- a lot of the- because I saw that too, a lot of the like security cam footage is additional stuff they threw in that was like just test footage. So do you see them like waving their hands around? It's probably because they were just like filling what the range of view was for the camera. -Yeah. -It's kind of funny. -One of my other favorite pieces of trivia related to this is like they didn't have a budget to do like car chase, and maybe this isn't in the first movie, maybe this is later. -It is, it is, yes. -It is. And so if you re-watch the car chase scene, it's so obvious. It's so obviously just two people sitting in a car and there's a shaky cam and they're going whoa! -Yeah, no background or anything. -There's no background. I just smoke around a car. -Yeah. It's so fun. -And they cut it really, really quick where it looks actually just kind of stylized. -Yeah, yeah. -But it does work. But you look closely and you're like, "Oh, that car is stationary." -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah, for sure. -If they cut back to it, it's just no change. -Yep. -Just them. So funny. All right, we'll get them back to trivia. Next question, this is multiple choice. Early ideas for this film had Adam and Lauren strapped in what other confinement was in A, a car, B, an elevator, C, a basement, or D, a fed. -I'm going to say a basement. -Yeah. -I'm going to say basement. -My logic for basement is that you still want something with a comparable size. An elevator would be cool, but then there's like nothing you can do, really. -Mm-hmm. -Okay, yeah, basement is not right. It was elevator. -Wow, that would have been good. That would have been good. -It would be fun, but I think probably I didn't go with it for the same reason I see if you're pointing out. It's kind of cramped. -Yeah, not enough space. Not enough nooks and crannies to hide little clues. -Right, yeah. You can't have like fun with that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Although one of my very favorite horror movies, which is really bad, takes place in an elevator, it's called Devil. -Yeah. I watched that, I think, last year. -Oh, it's so bad. -I think you're a recommendation. -Yeah. -It's fun, it's not very good. -It's bad, but it's fun. -All right, next question. Okay, this is very open-ended, so I'll, and Chris, it sounds like you didn't re-watch it for this, so this is, we'll see if you know this or not, but the identity of this is a bit of a spoiler, I suppose, but not really. The identity of Jigsaw's killer is revealed earlier in the film during the flashback. Did either of you catch it? There's a bit of a clue in one of the scenes that just is like, "Oh, yeah, well, that must be the killer." -I think I'm confused by the question. There's a hint of the Jigsaw's killer. -I'm sorry, the identity of the Jigsaw killer. -Oh, yes. -I misread that, sorry. -Then, yes, I know. -The identity of the Jigsaw killer is revealed early in the film during the flashback to either of you catch what it is. -Yeah. -Yes. -Do both of you know? -Yes. -Okay. -I think if I'm understanding the question, right? -Yeah. -Oh, I'm nervous, I don't know if I understand. -Do you want to, should we chat it to Ken? -Did you say "Shat"? -Shat to Ken. -Shit it right over. -Okay, okay, I'll text it to Ken. -They come back to that same scene. -It's not quite right. -Quite right. -I mean. -Okay, I just sent you something. -Yeah, you both didn't quite understand the question. That's okay. That's on me. You both said "patient in the hospital" or Lawrence is at work teaching residents and yes, one of the patients is, what's his face? What's his real name? -John Kramer. -But yeah, so what I was getting at, I'll give you guys both the points just because you were, that's the right area of the film. -Amazing. -What I was getting at is in front of John Kramer in bed is a little table with a notebook on it with a sketch drawing of the reverse bear trap. -No way. -Yeah, so they telegraphed it out a little bit, but I mean, it's really quick and you'd really have to be looking for it to see it, but I thought it was interesting. -It's so funny. -I saw that piece of trivia before we were watching it and I was like, "Oh yeah, sure enough, there it is." -I'm gonna have to, when I re-watch this, because I got to re-watch it at least once a year, when I re-watch this for this year, I will watch for that because I don't think I caught that. -Yeah, it's pretty cool. All right, then this is the final real question. True or false, Tobin Bell is actually laying in the middle of the room for all of the bathroom scenes. -Okay, I'm wondering if this is a trick question because where my mind went is there is some, I do believe that there is someone laying there the whole time, but is it Tobin Bell or is it a body double? I'm just going to answer the question as yes. -I'm going to say false because there's lots of shots where you don't see the guy in the middle, so I hope that they wouldn't just keep him down there while they're setting up different camera angles. -It's true. Yeah, he laid there for the whole movie. -Yes, I feel like I did know this. I have heard this before. Didn't they give him something to like, not like a muscle relaxer, but like something to like slow his heart rate or something so that he could like-- -I think you're thinking of one of the movies. -Oh, okay, maybe. -They gave him something to slow his breathing and heart rate. -Yeah, I think that's probably what I'm thinking of. -Yeah, not real, but I still got the point. -And that guy, I hope they paid for his physical therapy after that. -Right. -Well, so was Tobin Bell even that big of an actor at that point? Like, this is really what I feel like most people know him for. I'm sure he was in a lot of other things too, but maybe that's why they were able to get away with him just laying there for the whole movie. I don't know. -I have never seen him in anything else. And if I did, I would be shocked because I would say that's the jigsaw killer. -All right, how are we doing in points? -So that's a spoiler, right? -Yeah, we spoiler it. -Oops. -Oops. -That puts Carissa up two to one. -Okay, this might be the final question. What is the Rotten Semana? So wait a minute, score in percentage closest without going over Christmas as you're the lead. You'll go first to see the edge. This is the critic score on Rotten Semanas in percentage. Close was that going over? -I'm going to say, I'm going to shoot a little bit low because I have a love for this movie that I think not everybody does. I'm going to say 79%. -I think probably higher, so I will say 80%. -Okay, this hasn't happened for a little while, but no one gets the point. -We both went over. -Both are over. -Really? -Yeah, it's 50%. -Are you kidding me? -I was surprised, but yeah, it's surprisingly low. I don't understand. -That is shocking. -Yeah. -I assume the critics were turned off because it was gore? I don't know. -Maybe. I'm just trying to imagine in 2024 watching this and thinking that it's really bad. I feel like, yes, if you don't know anything about the franchise or you've never heard it before, you didn't see it when they were in the theaters. Maybe you would think it was really bad, but it's just so in the zeitgeist. I'm surprised that anyone would rate it that low. -Yeah, and if you didn't know anything about it, then the twists at the end should hit real hard, so I don't understand. -Well, they're wrong. -Yeah, for sure. CJ, it looks like you're looking it up. Are you fact-checking? -I wanted to see some reviews just to see what the hell they were saying about it, but yeah, some of these are back in, well, yeah, even 10 years later. Some reviews are from 2014, and then, yeah, one review is from last year. That's so odd. -That is odd. -I don't get it. Just for fun. Well, Chris, you're the winner, obviously. Congratulations. -Whoo! -Game over. -Wow, that's the first time I've won trivia in a while. Feels good. -Oh, good. Letterbox is 3.6 just saying it, because it doesn't really vary. It seems like it's probably just worked back in the Rotten Tomatoes audience score. -I will say redemption, it has a 7.6 on IMDB, which is very high for IMDB. -Yeah, incredible. -And what is the viewer rating on Rotten Tomatoes? -I think that was higher. -Yeah, it would have to be. -84. Okay, that's more like it. -Yeah, well, I think it brings us to our ratings. Chris, on a scale of 110, would you rate saw for you? -For me. Okay, that's as good as I can do. For me, this is a solid 9 out of 10. -Wow. -Yeah, I love this movie so much. It's obviously Schlock, and so it gets a negative one for being kind of schlocky. But I love it. And I think that even though the acting is bad and some of the effects are bad and there are other bad things on the whole, I love it. I just love it. I would recommend it to anybody to watch. It is a fun romp, and watching it, you get this peek into the zeitgeist, and you just get this cultural connection that you don't get if you haven't seen it. So, highly recommend. Saw's budget was $1.2 million. We kept talking about it, which that is much higher than I thought. -Hire than I expected. -That's still pretty low for a main movie in that really awesome. That's way high for what we're supposed to be directing a video movie. That's so weird. Anyway, CJ, what would you rate Saw for you? -For me, I remember liking this even from a long time ago. 20 years, God, I'm sold. It's not really great on a rewatch, because I'm just kind of waiting for the twist to happen. But I think looking at all of the twists and the thread that this movie weaves between all of the different characters and the reveals every few minutes or something, it has a nice pace that you keep unraveling it over and over and over again throughout the movie. It's a horror movie that I can handle, where it's not cheap scares. I don't mind gore or some kind with that. It's more of kind of like a thriller mystery kind of thing, which was fun. Seven and a half? Maybe eight? -Wow! Holy cow! -Seven point eight. -Okay. Damn. I think if you were watching this for the first time and didn't know anything about it, I think it's a pretty good movie. The reveals are a lot of fun. I don't think at the end you're like, "Oh, come on, that's stupid." No, you're like, "Oh, shit, that was cool." Like, yeah. -I couldn't agree more. -Yeah, damn. -Can. -For me. It's, yeah, I'm going to probably be pretty close. I think an eight or an 8.5 for me. Yeah, I mean, I did enjoy the rewatch. And I think there are some cheap scares, but they're still pretty scary. Whoever's in the pig mask jumping out at several different parts is for sure jump scary. But I think there's a lot of really tense moments that we didn't talk about. Like, the photographer with his camera in the dark room just taking pictures to light up the room really quickly and get a little, just very Texas chance I'm asking for you. But yeah, like, very tense moments, tense moments where you aren't quite sure what's going on with like the reveals. Like, he's taking photographs of Lawrence in the parking garage and find out that after you see a flash earlier on a movie. And, I don't know, there's just a lot of, like, well thought out, I don't know. And I got, like, I was going to say, I was going to try to draw a parallel between that and the, like, thinking and advanced trap setups too. But I feel like that really only comes into play in future movies. But yeah, anyway, I really enjoyed the movie. I do think it works some multiple watches. And it's just a, well, well, only movie. So 8.5 for me. 8.5. Very nice. Yeah, I think, CJ, if you really liked the pacing and how they're unraveling this thread, I do think that you would like to watch the rest of the movies because that's kind of, it's, it's, it's like a microcosm in the one movie. But the whole series, I mean, it's just twist after twist after reveal of a connection and a flashback. And this person is back. And this person was involved the whole time. I think that you could get into it. It's, it's a little convoluted. And I think you probably remember from having watched some of the sequels, but it's, it's fun. I don't know. It's fun convoluted, but fun, I think, is a fair assessment. I feel like the only way you would ever kind of watch a bunch of movies in a row like that, though, is for this podcast. And there's no way we're doing two and a half months of Saw movies. So I'm not holding my breath, but I, I think you would enjoy it too. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right, Ken. The show would need to make me watch it. Yeah. I'm sorry. You watched all of the Expendables and you won't watch all the Saw movies. Hello. Yeah, before. Well, it's only for it. They were fun. Well, CJ, you could listen or you could watch them at like two times speed and it would be fine. Okay. Well, Chris, I thank you for joining us. Do you have anything you want to plug at the end here or any words of wisdom? Oh, thank you guys for having me. Words of wisdom, watch this movie, which is what I feel like I say most times. I will say that I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to plug horror corner last time I was on. And I'll plug it. I'll plug it again. I'm still at it. In fact, day of this record, another newsletter will be going out immediately following the end of this call. So jump on the bandwagon. If you haven't already, or corner.substack.com, or follow me on the sub stack app or on Instagram where I'll be sharing all of those posts. Yeah. And you have a specific saw article where you like interviewed a friend. I sure do. So people want more saw content. Yes. Always my friend Kelsey, brilliant, brilliant storyteller in her own right. And they discussed jigsaw, the notorious killer with me. So check that out. If you want some more jigsaw content. Awesome. And next week, we're keeping Spooky Month going. Our next villain is Hannibal Lecter. And we'll be talking about Silence of the Lambs. Have never seen it. I'll be a first time. Really? Yes. Dang. Wow. Oh, how exciting. I'm so excited to hear what you think. I think it's going to be good follow up to long legs. Yeah. So yeah, it'd be fun. Can't wait to see the late great Hannibal Lecter. What do we got to plug seed? 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