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ESPN's Sal Paolantonio: An Eagles 'must-win' and high Giants stakes in Saquon Barkley's return

Broadcast on:: 19 Oct 2024
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ESPN national correspondent Sal Paolantonio joins New York Daily News NFL columnist Pat Leonard to break down Saquon Barkley's return to MetLife Stadium and preview a critical NFC East clash between the Giants and Philadelphia Eagles @Bleav, including analysis of Jalen Hurts, Shane Bowen's Giants defense, Nick Sirianni's standing as Philly's head coach and much more. SUBSCRIBE to the @PLonNFL YouTube page to get the latest Giants updates and news delivered directly to you, and to participate in regular LIVE Q&A chats with Pat. Purchase a Super Chat or Super Sticker to have your comments elevated to the top of the feed and have Pat answer your question FIRST! Watch the full video of this @Bleav podcast on Pat's YouTube Channel. Find Pat also on 'X' (@PLeonardNYDN), Instagram (@PLonNFL) & TikTok (@PLonNFL). Talkin' Ball with Pat Leonard is brought to you by MyBookie. It’s MyBookie’s 10th year anniversary, and they’re rolling out the red carpet for bettors, including Risk-Free Thursdays and weekly no-sweat bets all season long. Use the promo code 'PATSPICKS' here to get your first deposit of $50 or more matched 100% up to $1,000 plus a $10 casino chip. Make your Football season a winning season with MyBookie! Bet Anything, Anytime, Anywhere. Talkin' Ball with Pat Leonard is also sponsored by @BoomChaga and @Estate98Coffee. BOOM Chaga Mushroom SuperDrink is a natural extract loaded with anti-inflammatory, immune-boosting antioxidants and heart-healthy compounds. Go to BoomChaga.com and use the code TALKINBALL25 to get a 25% discount on your first Subscribe and Save Order. Estate98 is an all-natural, specialty coffee with no sugar that is convenient for the on-the-go coffee drinker. Go to estate98.com/talkinball to get a special buy one, get one free deal.

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Sao, thank you so much for being here. - And thank you for mentioning the book. It was a labor of love over many years, came out almost 15 years ago, believe it or not, Pat, but the publisher wanted to republish it, re-release it in a new version. It's how and why the game was created and how culture in America shaped the game of tackle football through the decades. And it's taught in a lot of schools around the country. And I'm happy it's had a long shelf life. When you write a book, you never know, right, Pat? - That's right. I still have not written one, Sao. One day, when I published one-- - I keep saying, Pat, you got to write a book, Pat. - When I publish it, you will be in the acknowledgments because it will be in part because you have pushed me to do it. And so we start there with the depth of knowledge you have about the game of football and about the NFL. And it informs our conversation today about a riveting game coming up in the Meadowlands, the NFC East. A lot of teams are imperfect, but there has never been more emotion, more of a heated nature to this Eagles Giants rivalry with Saequa and Barkley coming back up I-95 in the New Jersey turnpike to MetLife Stadium. And so we start there. I want to ask you, Sao, up here in New York, in New Jersey, everybody knows the Giants desperately have to win this game. But in Philadelphia, is this a must win for the Eagles? Or can they lose this game and still find their footing down the road? - It'll be hard to find their footing. And this to me is a dictionary definition of a must win for the Philadelphia Eagles. Because Saequaans return, the first road game in the division, even though they beat the Browns, things went off the rails at the end of the game when Nick Siriani was jaw-boning with the crowd. And I'm sure we'll get into that. There's a lot of questions about this team. It was Super Bowl or bust before the season. And things have been in fits and starts for this team. It's so important that they prove that they are in the playoff conversation. Right now, both of these teams, Giants and Eagles, season ends today. They're out of the playoff picture in the NFC. And for the Eagles, considering that they do have their franchise quarterback for the Giants, you're not sure with Daniel Jones. And there was much higher expectations because the Eagles stole Saequaan Barkley from the New York Giants, who in my opinion, Pat, was the number one off season acquisition of any team in the NFL. And so this is a emotional game. It's a game for the Eagles psyche. It's a game for the Eagles positioning. But most important, it's really a game for number 26. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Number one acquisition in the NFL, this past off season. You mentioned Nick Siriani, I wanted to get into that a little bit. The Eagles head coach comes off a bi-week, new haircut, yelling at the home crowd after a narrow win over a bad team. Sal, can you put into proper context for people on the outside? How much pressure is on Siriani in the immediacy of this game? And is that informing maybe the way he's behaving, the urgency he's showing, the emotion that is coming out now. So what are the stakes for him in this game? And then I just want to know your opinion of how he conducts himself, because we can see a 10 second snippet on SportsCenter. But I want to know from you knowing him, knowing the Eagles organization, what you feel about his leadership and just how he's carrying himself. - Super complex answer for you, Pat, but I'm going to try to boil it down into three areas. Number one, let's talk about the incident. The incident was fairly benign. The fan in the stands who was jaw boning with Nick Siriani came out with a statement and said, it was harmless. All I said to him was run the ball in the first quarter and I was harping on him, run the football, give it to Saquon Barkley. Actually, he was talking about Saquon Barkley. And after the game, Nick went up to him and said, "Hey, I told you I was going to run the ball." So it wasn't aggressive, it wasn't profane. It was a bad, bad look. I don't like all the name calling of Nick Siriani. I just don't because of the context or perspective of what went on on the field. You've been at Lincoln Financial Field. I've been covering the team for 30 years, starting at Veteran Stadium. Philadelphia, Lincoln Financial Field is a wild thunder dome of vile hate. The fans I call the children of a lesser God. They're out of control. I love them. They've given me my career. I love the passion of it. But, you know, the way that has been portrayed is that, oh, well, fans were, quote, voicing their displeasure. That's the ultimate euphemism. My wife voices her displeasure at me when I don't take out the trash in the kitchen. That's much different than the language that goes on at Lincoln Financial Field. Now, Nick, Nick Siriani should definitely not engage the fans. He should be focused on his football team at the end of the game. My opinion is, and this is something that I learned very early on in life. It's not how you act. It's how you react. That separates the haves from the have-nots. And it's very important for Nick Siriani to understand that. And he does. It was obviously something that the organization was not comfortable with. The fans were not comfortable with it. The national media was not comfortable with it. The next day, he apologized. So, move on from that. How much pressure is on him? I don't think that much. This is my opinion, my view of the situation. Kellen Moore's in charge of the offense. Vic Fangio's in charge of the defense. I think Nick Siriani is playing with house money. Whether the Eagles win or lose, his tenure next year is not going to be decided about what happens with what he does. He has to get his act together, obviously. But whether this offense functions properly, only score 20 points against the Cleveland rounds. The Eagles defense got it together last week. Five sacks. The rush yards after contact was way down. So tackling is better. Vic Fangio's practices have become longer. That's an interesting little development that's gone on in NovaCare. Try to get this defense right. The defense is not as good as the Giants defense. Shane Bowen, we have a piece last week on the NFL matchup show that Greg Coel did, showing how good this Giants defense is. The scheme is good. The players are really believing in the scheme and responding. Shane Bowen, Acolyte of DNP, that's the reason why Baltimore rehired DNP's is a defensive consultant for the Ravens. He's really good. And he taught Shane Bowen everything he knows. That all comes from Belichick, by the way. Shane Bowen can coach and that defense is good. So the Eagles have to get their act together, especially in the first quarter. They're the only team that hasn't scored a point in the first quarter of the season. - What a crazy stat. I'll be the first one to raise my hand, by the way, Sal, and say, I did not see the Shane Bowen, like Giants strong defense and improving every week coming. I thought, and especially early, there was a lot of chatter even in the locker room that the adjustment to a new scheme was something they were struggling with. And so the game against Seattle that they just turned in, the game against the Cincinnati Bengals, they just turned in. The Giants should be a better team with how that defense is playing. You're absolutely right. And Shane Bowen absolutely deserves it. - Oh, it's a really, it's a lockdown scheme. It's a, it really works if you have the right players. And the scheme is this. We're gonna rush the passer with whatever it takes. We're gonna lock down your number one target through our film study. We're gonna realize by formation or down in distance or time of the game who you're gonna go to. We're gonna lock down that guy and we're gonna get after the quarterback and we're gonna play too deep so we don't give up the big pass. And this is a scheme that basically almost every NFL defensive coordinator tries to duplicate. But if you don't have the players, it's hard to do. And you really have to practice hard and keep players on the straight and narrow to make sure there wasn't working early on for the Eagles. They weren't able to lock down. One thing to watch on the Eagles defense, the addition of Cooper Dajean, the rookie safety, that Vic Fangio banged the table for the Eagles to draft in the second round. They put him in the slot and he is running some really good slot corner blitzes that they used last week against Sean Watson. You will see that in this game against Daniel Jones. - Interesting. So let's talk the exes and o's of the Giants defense and how it affects the Eagles for a second. You mentioned how strong the scheme is and the two deep safety taking away the deep pass. So I know a lot of the conversation around Jalen Hurts and the Eagles offense is about Hurts not throwing the ball over the middle of the field, even routes not being run necessarily as consistently over the middle of the field. Also, Sal, what we saw in Cincinnati, Shane Bowen, it's almost like Patrick Mahomes, the way he was being defended a couple of years ago, where teams started dropping into two deep safety and saying, we'll let you beat us on a 15 play drive. You're not gonna let you beat us on a three play drive. My question to you is, the way Hurts is playing, the way you see him playing, and the way the Eagles scheme an offense, do you think they would be patient enough and good enough on offense to matriculate down the field against a drop zone, as they would say? Or are they the kind of team, just like we saw with the Bengals, where the quarterback is going to want that nine route to AJ Brown. He's going to want and force those throws over top. And you see that play now. - And that's a great question, Pat, and hit the nail on the head for Jalen Hurts. Last week, he had no turnovers for the first time in. Ten games, and he was throwing those interceptions over the middle of the field. That's why they pretty much have eliminated a lot of those over the middle throws. You see the nine route that AJ Brown ran against the Browns, that was an outside route. You see the Devante Smith route, that was a rotating wheel route that Smith ran, and it was also outside the hash marks, and Smith goes down the sideline. The linebacker, who was supposed to interfere there, slipped, busted coverage in Jim Schwartz's defense. There won't be busted coverages in Shane Bowen's defense. I haven't seen very many in the last two or three games. So they take away the middle, because he doesn't have a lot of success over the middle. So he's got against Shane Bowen. He's got to be quick, but he's got to be patient. And those things are not contradictory. He has to be quick, because Shane Bowen will bring quick pressure in the face of Jalen Hurts. So make sure in the face of that quick pressure, the ball comes out quickly, not easy to do. But he also has to be patient when he goes downfield, because Bowen floods different areas, and entices guys to throw interceptions, just like Dean Pease did, just like Bella Chek did. So don't throw the ball into double or triple coverage. Be patient, throw it away if you have to, or get that out with the safe one, Barkley. - One thing I'm interested in this game is watching in the last couple of weeks, despite the strong defense the Giants have played, one thing that's killed them oddly south is quarterback scrambles. Geno Smith, late in the game, had a huge one that nearly cost them in a comeback for Seattle at home out in the Pacific Northwest. Joe Barrow hit that 47-yard touchdown on a third in 18, tied for the longest rush ever against the Giants defense by a quarterback since the merger with Cam Newton. Back in 2015, you didn't think Cam Newton and Joe Barrow would go together in rushing. And Jalen Hurts, obviously, if he can get out and get through that beat gap and get going, the Giants would be in trouble. And this takes me to Saquon Barkley. You mentioned right at the start of the conversation, you felt like he was the best acquisition of the offseason of any team. I think the run action, just a simple read option for the quarterback and either handing to Saquon or going is going to give the Giants fits. But the question for you is, for Saquon, why has he been such an excellent addition for the Eagles specifically? And then in this game, how do you see him fitting in and do you think he is primed for a monster game against his old team? - And not a monolithic answer to that, but I'll take it in two parts. Number one, the wrinkle, the problem is the running quarterback for this defense. You know, Dean Pease, he coaches against Lamar Jackson all week long. So he understands what the problem is with that defense when a running quarterback. He had a problem with J.D. Daniels last week when they went in there. And this is a problem for this defense because if you're playing man to man and the backs are turned to the quarterback, quarterbacks gotta go. It's evacuation time. And so the Giants will have to employ a spy. Rokwan Smith last week was employed as a spy against J.D. Daniels. I don't know who the Giants will use, but that's something we will watch early in the game. And that takes somebody out of coverage. That takes somebody out of a possible blitz because Jalen Hertz can run. I think you're gonna see Saquon, if they're smart, they will split Saquon wide in this game against the Giants. Move a linebacker out of the middle of the field so that it gives Jalen Hertz an extra spot to run into if he wants to. They have to isolate Saquon on a linebacker. One, they get favorable match up so that Saquon can win. And two, so you get a linebacker out of the gaps where Jalen Hertz is going to run. And if they're smart, they will do that. I saw them do it a lot in training camp. Now, as for Saquon, such a great teammate, such a great leader, Man of the Year candidate for the New York Giants. He'll be a Man of the Year candidate for the Philadelphia Eagles. I think early on, he was so good at calming things down. Now, I'm not so sure where he's at. Only 20 targets, I'm excuse me, 20. - Touches, yeah. - Touches last week, excuse me. Not enough. I don't care what the defense is throwing at you. Be sure Saquon, as much as possible, early in the game, don't abandon him and make them defend him. Make them defend him with linebackers and safeties. And that will open up things for Smith and Brown. I'm talking like an offensive coordinator, which I'm not. But it seems to me counterintuitive to take Saquon out of the game plan in the first quarter. You haven't scored any points in the first quarter, Pat. Five opening drives. They have one first down, 22 yards. Five opening drives. One first down, 22 yards. And you know what they say. And Dan Olafsky said this on Get Up yesterday. Coaching, I mean, the beginning of the game is about coaching. The beginning of the game is about coaching. The end of the game is about players. At the end of the game, the players decide the game. At the beginning of the game, the coaches decide the game. You know, there was always a slogan. I remember in Washington with Joe Gibbs, we decide who wins. And that's what coaches need to do in the first quarter. We decide through our preparation, game plan, scheme, and athletes, we decide who wins in the first quarter. - Yeah, if your offense is worst when you're scripting it. (laughing) Not a good sign for your coaching staff. I think you're absolutely right too on offense. It's probably even difficult just for jail and hurts under center 'cause he likes AJ Brown so much. He's a security blanket and he and Devate Smith do win their one-on-ones. But you do need to commit to say Quambarkle. You do need to commit to the run because as much as the Giants. - Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify is there to help you grow. Shopify helps you sell everywhere from their all-in-one e-commerce platform to their in-person POS system. Shopify's got you covered. 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Now, you mentioned on the defensive side for Philadelphia, that they're running longer practices. The defense and Vic Fangio, they're putting in more time there. South from the outside looking in, the Eagles defense looks extremely flawed, looks like they don't tackle well. But are you saying that you're seeing some improvement and that comes Sunday against the Giants? We're gonna see a little bit of an improved version, maybe, of the birds on defense. - Yeah, I actually have the numbers here, Pat, just so I was preparing for your show. Eagles, you already have to contact the loud, which is the stat that basically measures mistackles, because it's the most accurate way to measure it. This comes from ESPN stats and information. Now, week four against the Bucks, they allowed, the Eagles defense allowed 150 yards after contact. That's a lot of mistackles. So that was a point of emphasis during the buy. It was one of the major reasons why they lost the game in Tampa. Nick Sirianni talked about it right after the game and said this is what we'll work on, and they did work on it. First of Browns, yards after contact 63. So they went from 150 to 63. Now, you have to obviously factor in that the Browns are totally dysfunctional on offense. They didn't have Nick Chubb. So that was, you know, there is that. - Factor, yeah. - Yes, but, so it's not, again, the end all, be all, be all, end all for, you know, whether or not the Eagles are playing better defensively, but they did have five sacks. The odds you have to contact was down. It is a point of emphasis, and they know against the Giants. They're gonna have to be good. They have to go on the road and win a football game. They went to Brazil and they won. They went to New Orleans and they won. They went to Tampa and they got boat raced. They need to win two games in a row. Super, super important game for the Eagles defense. - Couple more questions coming for you, Sal. 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I'm all about antioxidants, Pat. - Oh, I'm getting you a sample media. - Bring one to MetLife when I see you. I wanna check it out. But, you know, you have your my bookie.com. So here's some numbers for you, are you ready for this? - Yeah, let's go. All right, let's go. - This is from ESPN BetLife, and we're gonna do this on Sunday morning. The Eagles are one in seven against a spread in the last eight games as a favorite. Let me repeat that. The Eagles are one and seven against a spread in the last eight games as a favorite, and they are favorite in this game. They are, oh, the Eagles are, oh, and five against a spread in the last five games as road favorites. So there are two major betting trends that the Eagles are bucking in this football game. I'll give you one more. The Eagles have failed to cover in three straight as a favorite, three major betting trends that the Eagles are swimming against as they drive up the turnpike. Make that left at 16W, which I will do early Sunday morning, get into the swap and take on the New York Giants where they lost twice last year. The lot of stuff going on. The psyche of this game is crazy. Lost at the Jets. We were there January 7th. I thought that was the worst loss of the Eagles in a long, long time. - Terrible, excellent stats out. Okay, so a couple quick more questions. One, what do you think is a bigger loss at left tackle? Jordan, my lot of not playing for the Eagles in this game or Andrew Thomas not playing for the Giants? - I think it's Andrew Thomas 'cause Thomas is their best offense in lineman. - Yeah, and right there. I think Fred Johnson is the left tackle. Maybe who is replacing Jordan, my lot of for this game. The Giants, as we sit here right now, it looks like it's gonna be Josh Azudu who was. Unfortunately, the guy was playing left tackle last year when Daniel Jones got blown up and heard his neck in Miami in week five. So knock on wood, hopefully that doesn't happen. And he gets out of this game healthy. - Love Daniel Jones, such a tough player. - I mean, I've always loved the fact that he just, you know, just takes the hits, never complains, great teammate. Well, you know, he's just fantastic. I call him little E-I man. - I was actually, that was my next question was going to be. So Sal, up here in New York, New Jersey, Northern New Jersey, the fans are treating this like the Giants are a better team, but their quarterback's not good enough. You know, the fan base right now says, "Get rid of Daniel Jones, retire with Daniel Jones. "We want a new quarterback." What do you think about Daniel as the future of the Giants quarterback position? They paid him like it. He's two weeks removed from having a game like it in Seattle, but whenever they lay an egg at home, which they have been prone to do several times now this season, the fan base turns and it feels like at this moment, they're not interested in turning back. But what do you think of Daniel and whether he will continue through this season and beyond whether he should continue through the season and beyond as their franchise to be? - Well, I was there on draft day and through your reporting and some others in mine, it was pretty clear that the Giants were trying to go up and get a quarterback. And that certainly was the case, you know, at PostScript. We found out that they certainly were. So I don't know about the future of Daniel Jones there. I root for Daniel Jones. I think he has a future in the National Football League. It may not be with New York, with the New York Giants, but now you've got to do everything possible to protect him. You've got to find a way to make sure that this season doesn't go like it went last season. And if you're without your left tackle, the most important thing is to give that left tackle help and get the ball out quickly. Daniel can't hold onto the ball. And Daniel should use his legs in this game. Daniel's, you know, he's a fast runner, he's a good runner. He should use his legs in this football game. Malik neighbors is gonna be back. You don't know to what extent he's got a little bit of a groin issue I heard. So he is on the injury report with a groin issue. So he's coming back from the concussion. I'm interested to see just how productive he is in this football game. A lot, there's so many question marks going into this game. I think it's one of the most fascinating games between these two teams in a very, very long time. So much on the line for both organizations, both head coaches, both quarterbacks. Everywhere you look, people have something at stake in this game that if it doesn't go the way they want it to, things could get pretty bad. - Frankly, Sal, I know that neither of these teams look like a Super Bowl contender this year. I'm surprised this game was scheduled at one o'clock on a Sunday and never moved. - I'm not. - You don't want people from New York and Philadelphia out in the parking lot for that many hours before they go into MetLife Stadium or like a financial company. - I didn't even think of that strategy. - No, no, no, no, you don't want that to happen. Never have a Giants at Eagles game at four o'clock Sunday night, no. - Ah, good point. To counter your Eagles stats, so just to illustrate the stakes for the Giants, if they lose this game, and this is for Joshi and Ryan, they able to, they will fall to 0 and 4 at home this season, 0 and 3 in the division this season. And Sal, listen to this stat, they will fall, if they lose this game, they will fall to against the Cowboys and Eagles head to head since they took over in 2022. Their record will be 110 and up in their head to heads against the Giants, two biggest rivals. - Lot of stake, lot of stake, Pat Leonard, a lot of stake. - A ton of stake for the Giants, a ton of stake for the Eagles, Sal Powell. Thank you so much for breaking it all down. He is the great Sal Powell Antonio, ESPN national correspondent. The book, as you already know, is how football explains America, new version out now, go get it wherever books are sold. Sal, thank you so much for being here. - And there's a lot of Eli Manning in that book, a lot. Many chapters about Eli Manning, so Giants fans will enjoy it. - All right, yeah, Giants fans, NFL fans everywhere. Pick it up today, thanks, Sal. That was the great Sal Powell Antonio from ESPN. How football explains America, go get the book. We are sponsored here by MyBookie. 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I would say that to my son, man. I mean, come on, man. - Just go. - This isn't CBS. - All right, be quiet for a few seconds. Why would people want to listen to the Sims complete podcast? Well, a couple of things. One, if you like to see sons pick on their father, this might be the place. If you want to see a place where the father just kicks the (beep) out of his son, this would be the place. What do you like about it, Matt? - Ditto. Father, son, dynamic duo talking about the game of football that we love and share and appreciate together. And you know, hey, it's an extension of what we did, right? Growing up, I was able to watch my father play football, then obviously watch him as a broadcaster. And then he taught me the game of football to share the wisdom that he learned throughout his playing career. And you know, hey, sometimes we're full of it. And sometimes we actually know a thing or two. - Well, we do do a lot of research, at least I do. You're a little spotty, but you know, you're hanging in there. It's fun. I love doing this and it's been awesome. - Sims complete, check us out. Wherever your podcasts are available on the Believe Network. Appreciate it. See ya. - If you liked the show, please take a moment to rate, review and subscribe. It really does help the show to grow. Thank you for listening. (crowd cheering) [ Silence ]