Two Gays and a Digimon Podcast
Digimon Adventure 02 48-50 You Just Gotta Believe!!
(upbeat music) - Hello. - Hi everybody. - Welcome back to Chugeo's and the G-Mom podcast. - I'm Michael. - And I'm Adam. - And I'm Gay. - And I'm also Gay. - And when are we recording this Adam? - I'm my birthday. - I'm your birthday, happy birthday. - Happy birthday to me. - I feel like that's relevant to this episode. - I think so too. - I feel like we have a cat that has breached our security. - Oh no, she got through the firewall. - She got through our firewall. She's broken into the digital world. - Even after Blackboard, Grimon, - Even after Blackboard. (laughing) - Grimon closed the gate. - So we've been on for a little while, but we're back and we're covering the finale. All three episodes of the finale and Digimon Adventure Zero Two, the English dub from Fox Kids. Not for kids, that's Pokemon. - It was quite a finale. - There's a lot happening. - A lot happened. I'm emotionally drained. I cried, you cried. - I mean, I (beeping) - Hello, this is editing Adam here. And I just want to let you know that we're going to be seeing a lot of each other in this episode. I don't know what happened here, but we are moving forward. And I just am telling you that I cried a lot at this finale over the many years that I've watched it. So no surprise there. Anyone who's a long time was where I cried everything. (beeping) - Many a time at this finale, so. - This was my first time crying at this family. It was also my first time seeing it in any capacity. - Yeah, it's quite emotional, I think. - It's, yeah. - They, and we'll get in details, but they. - Oh gee, why don't I get into those details right now? - Let's do it. - Let's do it. - Okay, so we start off with episode 48. Oh, we caught with shame or in Japanese, the terror of Bilal Vamdemon. - Bilal? - Bilal? - Bilal? - Bilal? - I don't know how to say it. - Oh, I don't know what that means. - It's like a demon from the Bible. - Oh. - No. - Okay, wait, that's, I have a point about that, but maybe we should get more to the episode before I say anything about it. - So we start off with the Cody recap, which R.I.P. to black or gray mine. - A real one. - A real one. The dark sport kids are gathering on a bridge in heightened buteris as the digi dust didn't observe. - And they're like creepily staring out into this. - Yeah, they're waiting for Obikawa to take them to the digital world. And the plan was to go through heightened buteris that black or gray one sealed that gate. So Ty and Sora are meanwhile are observing Noriko, who remember that the dark sport flower harvested from her in the last episode. - Right, she was like kind of separated from the other dark sport kids. - Is he stirs the pot about shipping? - He does. - With Matt being jealous of Ty and Sora being off together, which I feel like is unnecessary and also weird. - Yeah, it was very, it was clearly like a plot contrivance thing to like-- - I think one thing-- - But then it doesn't really come back, I don't know. - I think once again, we are suffering from the original like season one, Digi Destin needs something to do. And since Digi Mon is a show about kids growing up, it's like, okay, well, the next phase for those first gen Digi Destin would be like dating and romance, like obviously 'cause of an anime and like they have this bond. They're all going to digi joy, probably. - Yeah, and you know what else though? I thought it was kind of weird that Izzy was the one like making that joke, like, well, why aren't you, aren't you jealous? - I don't think it's weird, but I think like when I think of like the core friend group from that group-- - I feel like it would mean me. - Well, it'd mean me when she got there so they had Izzy do it 'cause it means more sense than Joe. - So Izzy's mom calls him and she comes to bring snacks to their stakeout. - She's so sweet, she calls them from like a phone booth like on the bridge below them. - Yeah, well, she is a queen. Anyway, Kari ponders the fate of it all and TK says you just gotta believe. - For sure. - Oh, we call her what, and mom and dad show up to do mischief. - Mom and dad. - And Ken sees them briefly. We stand Mrs. Zoumi as his mom in this house. - Absolutely. - She offers to help rally all the Darkspur kids parents to maybe that they can help their own kids. - They can like reason with them or whatever. - And she says that like, maybe that's what she can do. - Hello friends, I'm back. I said here that this is what Izzy's mom felt like she could do to help where all the other kids' parents are helping with like the investigation. The who will we call is like, where are these kids from? She would like to help contact the parents. And they could degree. Although like in the episode, I couldn't tell if it was being framed as like, that's actually gonna be helpful. Or Izzy is just like, yeah, go do that. So you're not, 'cause Izzy's kind of mean to his mom in this whole sequence. - Yeah, he has a little weirdly mean to him. I think the idea is that Izzy's mom is like, she's a little overbearing, but like in a sweet way. - Yeah. - So I think that he was just like, oh, hey mom, you're embarrassing me. And we remain hopeful that things will turn out okay. - Oh, we call comes to collect the children. And we had the brilliant thought of, did he give them AIDS? - Yeah, that's kind of like the narrative metaphor happening. He's like-- - It does feel-- - Especially 'cause they said like, you can't touch those kids and he says, I'll do whatever I want or something like that. And it's like, whoa, phrasing, guys. - Well, we had the whole like, revelation last time of like maybe Oh, we call is like queer. - Yeah, he's definitely queer coded 'cause like his whole thing with Cody's dad, Heroki is like, feels like, feels like more than friends. - Yeah, they're definitely just a little bit more than friends. - Yeah, I think so too. - That's how it's coded, but-- - Cody. - Cody. - Mm. - Mm. - Like, is he named Cody because of like computer code? - I don't understand why they picked the name as Cody, Ian Jolie. 'Cause like, Davis is Japanese, the name is Daisuke, which like-- - Sounds close. - Kind of close to Davis, some similar letters. - Yeah. - Jolie is Japanese name is Miyako. - Yeah, they could have named her like, Michelle. Like, Mickey. - Maybe they were words of that being too similar to Mimi. - Oh, true, true, true. - And Cody's Japanese name is Yori. - I actually can kind of see that 'cause like, it's like short and like has an O. - Yeah. - It must be like the syllables match. - Yeah. - For like the mouth. - That too, I bet. - Anyway. - Yeah, the dark sport thing feels like it is an age metaphor, even though it's like not-- - Yeah. - So they are starting their-- Jolie Kyle was starting his quest to the digital world-- - Yeah. - With the same puzzle that we saw in Manuis Man's castle in the first adventure. - I did not pick up on that at all. Oh my God, I didn't pick up on that until you just-- - With the cards, or the Digimon and stuff? - Yeah, I was like, oh, this looks cool. It's just like, this looks, I thought it was like, oh, there had some like spin-off card puzzle game that they're like trying to put-- - Well, okay, so when we get into the next season, Digimon Tamer is that a whole thing is like a plug for the Digimon card game. - Got you, got you. - Which by the way, I sort of mean Digimon Liberator. It's very good. We stand. - I guess so. - So they confront Oikawa. And Ken asks, why did you pick me? Why did you choose me to carry the dark sport? - It was an enemy code. - Oikawa picked Ken because he was vulnerable. - And Oikawa could tell he was a Digimon. - He knew he was a Digimon and he could control the darkness that was already inside of him from his brother's death. - Which was surprising to me because Oikawa also knew another probable Digimon. Cody, whose father had just died, and Oikawa had an end with him. 'Cause he's like his father's best friend. - Cody is younger than the other kids. So maybe Cody wasn't born or just a baby. - Well, like I said, it was three years ago, but he would have been like four. - I don't know. What happened three years ago was my oldest man attacking the real world. - Oh, okay. - So-- - Got you, okay, my bad. So yeah, Cody was probably-- - I think Cody's dad died before that happened. - You're right, so-- - That makes sense. - And the control spires were you, to manipulate the borders of the digital world, but then the Digi-Destin came and ruined everything. - Yeah, which he wanted to make it weaker so he could take it over. - So he could take, so he could rule both worlds. - Yeah. - So Oikawa has a little bit of a mentee bee. - He does. - And they start a creepy child's chant when they're like boys and girls, boys and girls. Let's all go to the digital world. And let me tell you, there's just no ballot of the witches' roads. - It's no ballot of the witches' roads. - That's my other obsession of Agatha Holon. - But Patti LaPorna Digimon. - Oh my God. - Patti LaPorna says-- - Patti LaPorna says-- - She's been in Carchions before. - What? - She's in Steve Nevers. She plays one of the villains in Steve Nevers. - Oh. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - So Oikawa manages to open the gate to the digital world, which kind of makes Blackboard Greymon sacrifice feel meaningless. - Yeah. - I guess the kids are shocked 'cause the kids are like, he's walking into our trap. Like, the gate's not gonna open and we'll be able to-- - Yeah, the gate doesn't open. - And the gate doesn't open. - But he is gonna not be able to open it 'cause of Blackboard Greymon sealing the gate, but he is able to open it. - And they're kind of shocked. They're like, whoa. - They're like, what is happening? So the O2 Digi Destined follow as do our Kine Mon and Mummy Mon. - Obviously for you. - But the O1-- - The, so like Matt and Joe and Ify are left behind. - Yeah. - So they enter the digital world or to do they. - They're in a mysterious other reality that's not the dark ocean, which I kind of was hoping that like, I mean, I knew where they were going, but I was, I think like in our adventure to rewrite that we've kind of been workshopping this whole time. I think it would have been more cinematic to have this final confrontation in the dark ocean. - Yeah, instead of like a fourth different world. - Which I guess. - Which they just call the other world. - Yeah, I think it's called The World of Dreams. - Okay. - But it reminded me of the dimension at the end of season one, that I can't remember like the final boss. That's like kind of disappointing. - Were there like, were they like Apoklymon on there? - Apoklymon. - And they're just kind of floating in darkness. - Yeah, it kind of had a same sort of like art style. - Even not. - It was very like Salvador Dali. - Even that, I think. - This was Salvador Dali, yeah. - Yeah. - I think even that kind of space would have been a little bit more cohesive. - Yeah, 'cause it at least would have been like a revisit. - Yeah. So they're in this other reality and a familiar voice starts talking to Owekawa. - I feel like a creepy mouth. - Through a familiar creepy mouth. - I didn't, I didn't know what that familiar was until they revealed it. - So, Owekawa was manipulated by this voice and we have a flashback to Owekawa watching the original Digi Destin's return to the digital world after they had defeated Venom Myotis Mon to go fight the Dark Masters. And he is like holding this picture of Cody stand out and saying like, look, look, they're going, take me with you. I don't wanna be here anymore. - It's very strategic. - Very strategic. - Gachomon recognizes the voice. It's Myotis Mon. - It's Myotis Mon. He's back, guess who's back? Back again. ♪ Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum ♪ ♪ Who's been missing everything? ♪ ♪ It's Myotis Mon ♪ ♪ All along ♪ - Nice, very good, very good. - Yeah, that had me jump in out of my seat. - Yeah. - But did not see that coming. But it makes so much sense, it's perfect, it's perfect. - So we learned that the dark rings that, well, my, 'cause Myotis Mon and Gachomon got a, you know, got a Mon one thing, she's always ready to fight. - Oh, yeah, she's definitely- - And then first grab. - This is her old boss. - Yeah, well. - So. - The dark rings are based off of her tail ring that she lost in the first episode of this season. - That was the first episode of the season. - Yeah. - And last so long ago. - The dark spores are really energy to restore Myotis Mon. - Right. - And we see him separate from Ovi Kawas. - Who he had been manipulating this whole time. - Yeah. - And we enter Malo Myotis Mon, or in the Japanese belayo Vamdi Mon. - Hmm, very scary. - He's very scary. - And he's got like, Digi armor. They don't say it's like an armor Digi Volusion, but like- - Well, he's, this is kind of a kind of, could you use the theme of like all these armor? - Well, he has more of an armored version of Myotis Mon than Venom Myotis Mon. - Exactly. - But he picks up our Kenny Mon. And before, because she's thinking that she, he's terrifying and that she wants to get away from him, he tortures her before granting her wish and destroying her. That it's kind of hard to watch. - It's really hard to watch it really. It's like, he's like hitting her with his like stinger or whatever. And there's like flashes of red across this green that's making it with blood and stuff like that. And her wish is to get away as far away from him as possible. And he, and his interpretation of that is ending her life. - Yeah. - Which keep going 'cause I want to talk about. - Yeah, you did just repeat what I just said. - I know, but I- - It was fine. We got time to kill baby. It, it was sad 'cause I, I, you had said before that you didn't, you hoped that this didn't end with our Kenny Mon and Mummy Mon dying. But the next thing that happened- - Mummy Mon has devastated that the losses but love it are equally well. And he tries to avenge her but it's no use and he is killed as well. - And it's, it's rough. Like he says something like, "I'll show you to fear me." And it like doesn't, it did nothing. Yeah. It, it messed me up because like, even though they were a villainous, they were also being manipulated. - And they weren't even really Digimon 'cause they were kind of created from a week off. Like we wanted, that we kind of wanted to see them be redeemed. Like how Blackboard Greymon and how Ken were. - Yeah. - You know? I kind of wish that they were. Maybe in our O2 rewrite, we'll see that like, you know, when it's time for the final battle and everyone is powered up and whatever, we see like the illusion of our Kenny Mon and Mummy Mon behind Imperial German and they lend them the last of their power. - Yeah, I like, they also like, at least Mummy Mon like cared about our Kenny Mon a whole lot. - And I mean, I think that she cared about Mummy Mon too. - Yeah. So it was really not. - It was really, it was unsettling. - It is the, it is a disturbing part of this finale to me and it is very sad. And it feels almost out of the spirit of Digimon Adventure 0.2. - I think so too. 'Cause I thought this episode was very harrowing overall. I thought that was like the peak of it. I think the other thing about it that messed me up is since we cosplayed them for Halloween last year, it was, it was like a little bit like, obviously I know you're not Eric Kenny Mon and you know, I'm not Mummy Mon, but it did kind of like feel like that for like a second. - We have that attachment to them 'cause we've been calling them mom and dad this whole time. Like we really like them and it sounds, and I've always really liked Eric Kenny Mon. I mean, I was obsessed with her, first real female villain in Digimon. - Yeah, I just, I didn't, I mean, I kind of see why it happened. I didn't think it, I don't know if it needed to happen in the way that it happened. - So what is upsetting to me is that when the other Digimon die for the most part, we see them become a Digi egg again. - Yeah, so it would have been at least a little bit more comforting to see like a red and purple and like a white and blue Digi egg, like send off into the sky at the end. So we were like, we'll know that, oh, they'll be reborn again someday and maybe they'll get to be good Digimon this time. - Yeah, I didn't like seeing her so scared. - You know, it was hot 'cause she's now and then scared the whole time. - No, and like, I just, it, I get that it was like, and we'll talk about this more, but like it was to show, it was like to show like Malamayo's month's strength and to like temporarily like dislodge the belief and hope that the Digi doesn't have in their own abilities and their partner's abilities. But I think, I guess I just wish, I don't know if this would have been better for the plot, but it's what I would have bought it 'cause I like these characters. I wish it had been more of like, he like really badly injures them and they're like down for the count, but they're not like, murdered. - I think there's a reason they have to die. - I kind of agree with you. It's just in my, my head agrees with you, but my heart. - I know, but that's what I said. I wish that they had just turned into Digi eggs. - Yeah, that would have been a nice to show that they were real Digimon all, they were real Digimon all along. - They were real Digimon all along. - That would have been nice. - So the Digi just turned our paralyze of fear that the plot of losing their own Digimon partners in the same way, but not Davis and X-V mine. - No. - They are unflappable. - Unflappable, unsinkable Davis Monomeo. So you just gotta believe in the power of friendship and they have to mask their fears to defeat Malmaio this month, and that's the sedans. The next episode is episode 49, the last temptation of the Digi destined or the last armor evolution in Japanese. - Very, very Biblical name. - I have to start with fuck off TK with this recap. Davis has been awesome. 'Cause they are giving Davis so much shit because he is like the only one who's not scared and he's like making a lot of sense to everybody and they're like, wow, Davis really is brave and he really is cool. And I'm like, where have you guys been? He's been like this for the past 20 episodes. - Yeah, he had a bit of a turnaround. No, he didn't, he, it was not a sharp turn. It was gradual. - Yeah. - And I'm just like, God, I cannot re-watching this. Now, I cannot, I really liked TK and Kari when I was younger. And now I'm like, fuck off. Like, I don't, you're so mean to Davis. - I think what also helped Davis was like, Ken kind of more and more became like another protagonist. - Well, again, we've learned that there was a division in the writer's room of, do we want TK to be the rival or do we, and the kind of second-in-command or do we want Ken? And to me, it should have been that TK was the leader and Davis was the Deuteragonist. - Yeah, the heart of it all. - Well, the, yeah. So, we have a cat, trying to. - Cats, cats, cats. - Just serve the recording. So we start with an old-fashioned Donnie Brook. Xemon and Davis's willpower stands up to Melo Myotis Man. But, Melo, which I think now I had a thought that if Davis had his own crest, I think that tenacity or willpower would be the name of his crest. - Mm-hmm. - Just a thought. - I like that. - Melo Myotis Man casts an attack that shows the Digi-Destin's greatest desires or greatest, like, seers or whatever. So TK's family is reunited, which I'm like, oh, that's sad, you know, 'cause he's a child of divorce and, like, you. But, they didn't do a good job leading up to this, in my opinion, because, yeah, I have some notions about TK and Matt being children of divorce in the first season, but it kind of felt like they came beyond that with, like, Matt learns that, like, oh, just 'cause TK's my little brother doesn't mean that I need to, like, hover over him all the time. And, like, he is capable of doing things like himself. And now we've seen that TK has kind of got a lot of trauma, but the trauma seems to be more related to his time in the digital world than his time with his divorce parents. - Yeah. - Also, it is very, I mean, I get it 'cause they have two kids, so, like, obviously, one parent would take one parent and one parent would take the other. But they are both boys. And you are telling me that that mom raised a son all by herself. There's a lot of, I mean, I just, I feel like, I mean, it makes sense to me. I'm just saying, like, poor Nancy. - Yeah, no, absolutely. - So-- - She's a saint. - Jolie gets all the dessert because, once again, she's a girl. And so she doesn't really get the same emotional depth that the others do. And, like, she's not the right type of girl for this nearing of, like, how they want us to think of Harry. - Oh, I interpreted it differently. I think that we can get to it in a minute. But I think we had that emotional moment with TK. And then, next beat, we're supposed to, like, laugh at, you'll leave Harry and his eye or being a table full of dessert. - Yeah. - So, Cody gets to show his dad the digital world, which this got us messed up. - Really bad. - Really, really bad. - It's so sad, like, 'cause Cody is so young, he's only supposed to be, like, eight years old. - Yeah. - And he-- - It's so excited to show his dad. - He's so excited to show us to have the digital world. And all he wants us to do is have his dad meet Armadillo Le Mans. - Mm-hmm. - So. - And then, "Kari and dreams of a peaceful world full of Digimon and humans living together in harmony." - The Digimon break them out of the spell. - Mm-hmm. - Well, Davis fights the good fight. So now we can get into it. You'll need his illusion is deeper than what we thought. It has to do with, like, her brothers and sisters not being there, her being the youngest child. - Mm-hmm. - So they did not do a good job of setting up. - No, they really didn't. - Yoly's kind of trauma, because I said it earlier, there was a character that was with June in, like, a scene in an earlier episode that I've never even realized in my many rewatches of this as one of Yoly's sisters. - Yeah. - So, like, we should have gotten a little bit more of Yoly with her family. - Mm-hmm. - And I think that this would have made a little bit more of an impact. - Yeah. - 'Cause it does. It gives, like, the platitude of, I love my brothers and sisters even though they irritate me. But we haven't really seen Yoly's brothers and sisters that much. - No. And we haven't seen them, like, really be problems with her. - Yeah. - I think, I don't like this, but I think kind of what they're trying to do is show us that Yoly is more of a selfish character. Like, her illusion revolves around. - Well, sure, as opposed to, like, her and someone else. - She's not the correct type of woman for this genre, like, Kari or Sora. - Yeah. - She's brash, loud, intelligent. - Mm-hmm. - And I think that she's an icon. Say it a little minute instead. - Yeah, I do too. I don't like that they did this, but I think the selfishness is a kind of angle. - Yeah, but I think that also, it's not selfishness, it's that she's the youngest of, like, five kids. - Yeah. - Which is a big family. - Yeah. - And so it's, I didn't get the attention that I needed. I don't get my own, probably don't get my own clothes. I probably don't get, you know, my own things. I probably have to share a room with my two sisters or whatever. - Yeah. - So that, to me, would be more something, like, showing that, like, one of the episodes where they just started off with the kids in the real world, and it's like a weekend or whatever. Show that, you know, Lee is, like, locked outside the bathroom because her brother's taken forever in the bathroom. - Yeah, something as simple as that. - Showing that, like, she has to share a room with her two sisters, like. - You know what else is weird about it too? - They have that thing where they say, like, you'll use, like, I don't actually, I love my brother's sisters. I don't actually want to lose them. All the other illusions are things that kids actually want and are reasonable to want. Like, it makes, like, TK actually wants this family back together. Cody actually wants his dad to be alive. So, Kari actually wants, like, a peaceful digital woman. - I think that there's nuance. I think that, because Digimon is about growing up, where, like, I think Pokemon is, like, a utopia. It's kind of an essence of, like, childhood whimsy forever in Pokemon, which I also love. We stand whimsy in this house. - Absolutely. - So, I think that it's kind of got to be a realization of, for TK, I would love for my family to be back together, but I know that it is better for my parents that they're not together. - Oh, okay. For Yolie, my brothers and sisters are very annoying, and I wish I kind of got my own independence, but I love them. And I think for Cody, it's got to be, my dad was taken from me, 'cause his dad was killed in the line of duty. My dad was taken from me, but I know a part of him will always be with me, and he eat and share his, I can't share this world and this life with my dad, but I'm going to share it with my mom, which I think is nice, but I also like, what about Grandpa? - Yeah, what about Grandpa? - Yeah. - He's a king. - Grandpa is the adult character in this kind of timeline that I wish got a Digimon partner. Like, I kind of felt that way about Matt's dad and the first, Matt and TK's dad in the first season, where I'm like, oh, there is probably a separate timeline universe where he gets partnered with Wizard Mom. And then in this one, I feel like Cody's grandfather gets partnered with Black Fork Ramon. - So then we exit the interior of Regent's Lounge. - Which we leave the interior at the Gold Bar. - We see that, we see Flame Drummond come to get Cody. - This confused me, yeah. - I mean, I figured it out. - But then we go to Kari's dream. And I do not like that Kari is last in this kind of group. I think that that is just stupid. I think that her dream is nice, but I think ultimately, it's not really saying a lot about her other than once again, Kari is the perfect angel woman. And of course, her dream is world peace. - Yeah. - I think Cody should have been last of this grouping. Actually, I think Kari should have been first. - Yeah, Kari's GK, Yo Lee Cody. So back in the world of dreams, got him on Roast Her Old Boss, calls him lazy. So, and then we go to Ken's Illusion, where we see him as the Digimon Emperor, crucified. - Yeah, crucifixion. - As Digimon seek their revenge on him. - Which, can we bring up a theme here while we're? So the crucifixion is happening. This episode is called "The Last Temptation of the Digidest End." You said the Japanese name for Malamay or this man is like a biblical reference. And it got me thinking about how biblical this whole season is. - I think that it's a huge biblical vibe. 'Cause I mean, it is very good versus evil. - Yeah, but there's like even more, like Oekawa as like a false prophet, like leading his disciples down the path of evil. And like he's trying to corrupt the digital world, which is like very like a garden of Eden type narrative of like Satan corrupting the garden with Adam and Eve. It's like there's like this. - It's like this, Kari and Kari. - This is like raised Catholic in me jumping out on this podcast for the first time probably. But yeah, there's like a ton, I mean like obviously Anjouman and Anjouman are biblical figures. - They are Adam and Eve. - A lot of like the imagery of like even like the eggs, like with the scripture on them and stuff like that. Like the tablets that get shot out and things like that. And it all looks like ancient like biblical world stuff. - Even Pegasus Man and a furry man are very angelic. - Yeah. So Anjouman, I think also has a kind of a - He's a biblically accurate angel kind of like. - He's like an ancient doll. - Oh, right. - An ancient doll. - An ancient doll. So yeah, I just, I mean like, I'm sure if we went back and watched it again, I'd pick up on more of it now that I'm like looking for it. - I mean, there's plenty of like, I think what it is is that like the first 13 episodes, the first arc of Digimon Adventure One is the kids, you know, learning the kind of ropes of the digital world. And in the end of that arc, an angel defeats the devil. - From the devil, from the devil. - The devil from the bible, the divimon from Defile Island. So I think there's always been a biblically thing going with Digimon, but I think that it's, we get it, 'cause it's very black and white of like, good versus evil, but then we see that like, oh, sometimes evil is not bad. It's just different from good. Like, yeah, 'cause we see like Gato Mon was evil and Wizard Mon and Oger Mon. So another thing that made me mad at this is that we never got to see Leo Mon come back. - Yeah. - So in Ken's illusion, his brother Sam invites him to stay with him in this realm forever. But Wurman is there to free him from this illusion, along with everybody else finally, like cementing how much they believe and need Ken, which I thought was nice. - Yeah. - So we see their back. They're all in this twisted, Salvador Dali dimension, and Flame German, Ray German, and XV one are all fighting Malamayotus Mon. - Which, I was like, whoa. - And it's because Davis wished for them to be there. So XV Mon could be stronger. - He just had to believe in the heart of the card. - Believe in the power of the armor Digimon. - Yeah. - Which is why this episode is probably called The Last Armor Evolution, 'cause it was the last time we're gonna see the armor evolution. - Yeah. - So everybody to G-volves to everything. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, they say a little prayer for you. - Yeah, which also biblical, they were like in prayer. - They were all in their G-vices and they were kind of saying their greatest wish for the battle. - It was also given Dragon Tale. It's like, I wish I wish it was on my heart. - Well, I'll show you on the land of art. - biblical. - Yeah. Wait, what is Dragon Tales that is the digital world? Concepts, crossover. - So everybody to G-volves to everything. Everyone gets their own G-volution. It's like we got, we get to see Pegasus Mon, Anjaman, and Magda Anjaman, Halsaman, Aquilaman, and Shuri Mon. - Hello friends, we do also get to see Enquilaman, Digmine, Samari Mon. Pegasus Mon, all of all of the digital issues, even like Anjaman and Seth, they're pretty awesome. - Here. - Mm-hmm. - So. - Did you monol a bit? - And then they're kicking old boy's ass. - Oh yeah, they're beating him up. - Yeah. - And we see a sick combo from Anjaman and Neferti Mon. - It's basically. - Where Neferti Mon's like, "Bro, is that a stone?" And she shoots her big tablet out, and then Anjaman's like, "So that's D.O. Arrow!" And she shatters the tablet into millions pointy rocks, and he's like, "Ah, awesome." - It's really cool. - So then it's time to DNA Digibowl, and Mega Digibowl, and Davis' tenacity makes him immune to Malamayotus Mon's fear tactic. - And don't forget his bullheadedness. - And wait until you see his bullheadedness, is what Davis says about himself. - Goofball. - So they blast Malamayotus Mon out of the world of dreams, and into the digital world. - Done, done, done! Which I thought was the Dark Ocean, but it was just kind of the digital world, but like at night. - Oh, you know what would have been kind of interesting as if they went from the water dreams into the dark ocean, and then into the dark ocean. - Yeah, into the digital world. - That would have been cool, yeah. - Just because we didn't get any closure with the dark ocean, it's frustrating. - We get like one throwaway line, and that's it. - Yeah, which we'll explain later. - So Malamayotus Mon's power grows as Kari is overwhelmed by the darkness. Things are looking not good. - Not good. - As he is able to, you know, best shakua man, selfie man, and imperial term on. - Yeah, this was like his plan all along. - So Malamayotus Mon spreads darkness throughout the digital world, and crosses over into the human world. - Yeah, he opens up a gate or something. - And what they really need is a miracle. - That's right, that's what Davis says. - And that's, yeah, so, and I kind of was like, you know, Davis, you are missing a digital revolution here. He's missing Magna Mon, who was V-Mon's form with the Doujiga Miracles. - Oh, yeah. - So, "A Million Points of Light" is the name of episode 50. - Mm-hmm. - "More Our Digital Worlds." - So good. - Which I kind of-- - I love that. - And I like both titles, but I think "A Million Points of Light" is a little bit more hardcore. - Yeah, I think so too. - So, this starts off with a Davis recap, which to me is fitting for the final episode. I love Davis so much. This whole rewatch has really turned me around on Davis. I love him, I think he's a great character, I think he's fun. I think he's, I like him way much more than I like Ty. So, the OG kids are in the real world so they're shrouded in darkness. And then we come back to the digital world and the Digimon are back up, they're not ready to give up yet. But the Dark Spore Kids are full of-- (laughing) - Disturb! - As they watch the battle. Then the OG kids give them a rousing speech of like, you know, enough of this feeling sorry for yourself, it's time to get up and do something. - It's like nobody wants to get up and fucking work. - Yeah. - So in the real world, Izzy's mom assembled everyone at the summer camp where they first went into the digital world and they need to save Noriko who has been not feeling well since her Dark Spore was harvested and they need to get into the digital world. But the original Digimon testing kids are like, well, we don't know what we're gonna do, I don't know. Back in the digital world, the Dark Spore Kids are still despond. And then in the real world, Izzy sees that the digital gates are opening across the globe. - It's Mimi, bitch! - It's Mimi. ♪ It's Mimi ♪ ♪ Boodle, boodle, boodle, boodle, boodle ♪ - Our last, it's Mimi, bitch. - Wait, we forgot something. When they were talking about Noriko showing all the parents, we forgot. - Oh, no, we didn't, no, we're not saying that. - Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, everyone. - The power of friendship brings out the light, as all of the Digimon and their Digimon enter the battle. - Around the world. - Around the world. All the ones we visited on the Digimon world tour. - And we see as the original Digi Destin plus Noriko enter the digital world, that the families believe in their children. Yeah, we get the final, bitch, that's June. I wish that she had said something. - I know. - I'm kind of surprised that she did them. And I also think that there is a parallel universe where June is a Digi Destin. - Absolutely. - I don't think you've even guessed this. - Wow. - I believe it necessarily is this universe, this universe, this universe, it's canonical. - Yeah. - I would like to think she gets like a water Digimon. - Yes. - So, the dark score kid's negativity is powering Malama Yoga Smun, who I've just abbreviated as Mm, in my notes. (laughing) And the Digi Destin give another inspiring speech to the dark score kids, telling them not to give up on their dreams. And everybody shares their dream of what they would like to be, like, you know, they say, you know, Davis wants to open a noodle cart. - Yeah. - Which is, which I was shocked it wasn't soccer player, but go off king. - Cori wants to be a kindergarten teacher. She can find more kids to bully. - Oh, yeah, I know. She's just so perfect. - And that's also what Nureka wants, which is like, okay, Cori, copycat. - Yeah, just steal Nureka's dream, I guess. - Yeah. - And other kids say that they want to draw a comic books and they want to be baseball player. - Be baseball player, they're opening their own bakery, and as they're achieving, shouting out what their dreams are, Malama Yoga Smun is disappearing. He's not powerful anymore now that the kids are hungry and believe in themselves and have hope for the future. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So, once again, they just gotta believe the power of friendship. And they get, the Darksport Kids Get Partner Digimon, all the little babies. - Yeah. - Little babies. - And they're also cute. - They get their own digivices and everybody uses their digivice to give. Oh, I will say. The Digimon, they know. The Digimon that says that the calls out for their old, for their partner, are like, "Oh, I need your help to do this." Is Palmon calls for Mimi. - They know. - And Mimi says, "I'm right there with you, Palmon." And then she's right there with her. - They know the people crave Mimi content. - They know the people are, I mean, name a batter bitch, the Mimi. - I can't. - Yeah. - So. - They use the Digivices to get rid of the darkness five ever. That's what I wrote. - Five ever, including my Malamayo's mom. - They destroy Malamayo's mom's darkness completely. - Which, like, get wrecked, scrub? - Yeah. - And then Jenna returns, and he has got to Mon's tail ring. And he explains that the other realm has the power to grant dreams. And we see that Cody is trying to get Oika Oika's body, who he's very weak. But he's totally trying to help him get up and get into the digital world so he can achieve his dream of going there. - Because Cody is the ultimate, like, optimist. So he always thinks he's good in people. - Yeah, maybe optimist and his Cody's press. - I think so. - I think you'll be using passion. - This is a really emotional part. - This is a huge idea. - We get to meet Oika Oika Oika's partner, Digimon, De Tirimon, who is a cute little Barry. - The cutest Digimon I've ever seen. - And I think this is why mom and dad had to die because they were not really meant to be his partner. - We're so right. - That makes it hurt worse! - To be partners with De Tirimon. - I don't know what it'll do that to me. - So Oika Oika sees the digital world, but he's dying. The power of Malamayo's mom was too much for his body and to take anymore, and he is dying. - Yeah, Jen I said that. - Yeah. - He doesn't have a long left. - He uses, 'cause he's not quite in the digital world, yeah. But he's still in the world of dreams. And he uses that world of power to grant his last wish to help heal and protect the digital world. - Yeah. - And that he will always be a part of the digital world. - Yeah. - And that's the end. - Yeah, he like turns into-- - He turns into butterflies. - A bunch of butterflies which maintain Digimon Adventure's butterfly motif. I'm sure that in the Japanese version it plays the song "Butterfly" at this part. - Yeah, which I was thinking I was a little sad we didn't get one final, like, "There you go, "wing digital!" or like any of the other like, "I'll talk." - I think that we should have gotten like a... ♪ Da-da-da-da-da-da ♪ - We should have. - Da-da-da-da-da-da. - Which we might have, but it might have been really quiet. - Yeah. - Or we might have been crying too loud for a second. - So, then we get an Appleog. - We do get an Appleog. - Narrated by TK, 25 years after the ending of "Battle of Malama" or this month. And it's 25 years later. And now everybody knows about Digimon. And the worlds are kind of merging together in a positive way. And we see, just like you, did you notice how this is how this season started? Was with a catch up with TK of what everyone's been up to. Since their last adventure, the digital world. And now we're seeing what they're up to now through TK. Which I think, again, to me, as London and TK should be the leader, but whatever. So, TK has become an author and he is writing about their adventures in the digital world. - Yeah. - He's like his dad, kind of, 'cause that's a journalist. - Yeah, well, his mom's a journalist. - His mom's journalist, that's like a TV guy there. - A TV anchor, whatever. So, Ty and Akuman have become diplomats. - And Akuman, just a cute little- - He has a cute little bow tie suit, yeah. - Matt and- - They're giving Matt's advocating for relations and seeing the real world of digital. - Yeah. - Which is even cooler. - Matt and Gabaman became astronauts. - Which I didn't like that. It felt too goofy to me. He should have been a musician. - I'm not crazy about it either. And I think this has been a point of contention because now we're seeing in like, there's a fundamental try and last evolution, Kibana and Dujima in '02, the beginning of these kind of movies where they're all older. That Matt is leaning away from music and more into this world of science and space exploration. And I think that it once again is relating to Dujima and being a story about growing up. Where he was like, well, my rock star dreams are not working out in like, I'm really interested in space. So like, now I'm pursuing that path. Sora and Biomon are fashion designers. - Love that. - And Biomon says their new collection is to die for it. - Love that, even though it feels more meaning than Sora. - Well, I think that I think- - Sora's mom does like something like that. - But we saw Sora has, Sora and this season kind of became more feminine. - Yeah. - 'Cause again, it's about growing up. She was a tomboy when she was a kid, but now she's a woman. She's a woman. And she is, I think it's more that she does like traditional Japanese fashion. And she's wearing it for the whole now and was still. - Yeah. - And we're seeing this as everybody is meeting up with all of their children. 'Cause now they have cats. - In Digital World. - And they're in the Digital World and their cats have Dujima. - Yeah. - But I think it's cute. Joe is the first Digital World's doctor. - Yeah, silly. - And it shows him patching up Ogerman. - Very cute. - I think it would have been nice to have him like patching up Ogerman and Leomond who- - Yes. - 'Cause it's on-site. - 'Cause they got in a scruff. - Mimi hosts her own cooking show. - Absolutely. It's the only time she takes half her hat. - And she's still dressed for the Pink Pony Club. - Absolutely. - Izzy and his daughter have their own kind of tech language and they are studying, he's studying the Digital World still. - Kari became a teacher. 'Cause she actually likes being in school, isn't that great? - Isn't that great? Especially a girl liking learning what Kari is. But you know what it is, Kari is a kindergarten teacher. And kindergarten is like where you kind of learn all these social skills and like learning to share and be kind. And I was like, well, Kari wouldn't know how to be kind if it bit her in the foot. - You know, I'm sorry, this re-watch. - She was kind to the, oh my God, I'm getting the names of the little Bhooman guys in season one. - Yeah, well, and then I just went out the window. - And then I just went out the window. - But then, I think it's the writing that keeps Davis with this goofy character who like everyone's mean to. But to me, I'm like, well, Kari shouldn't be being mean to him if we're supposed to think she's the goddess kind of, so. - Yeah. - But Yoli and Ken are married. - That had me shook to my core in a good way. - I really liked it. - Yoli is a stay at home mom. But I would like to think that she's, they're living above her parents convenience store that she runs now. - Oh, I like that, I love that. - And Ken is a police officer. - He's a detective. - He's a detective, which is completely based off of common writer. - What was that? - Another Japanese TV show, Tokusatsu with guys in the suits. - Oh. - Where there is a common writer character that looks like Stigmon. - Oh. - And he teams up with a private detective whose name is Ken Ichijo. - What? It was that deep forever, it's the whole day. - Yeah, that's nuts. - Stilcymon is also based off of common writer. - Huh. - So Cody is a defense attorney. And I was like, (gasps) - He's gone through a hundred briefcases. - Cody Heida, ace attorney. - Oh, yes. - He's gone through a hundred briefcases 'cause Armadilla Mon keeps sitting on them. - So silly. - And Davis has opened his noodle cart and it's very successful. - Well, the first one is now it's a franchise around the world. - Yeah. - Noodles, noodles come get you noodles. - Yeah, which is an amazing title for a company. - So silly, how do you fit that on a sign that's so many letters? - It must be 'cause like the Japanese is like not as-- - Oh yeah, it's just like eight congee or whatever. - So that's the end. And I won't say that growing up in the Digimon Phantom, this ending was very controversial. - Really? - Yeah, people did not like it. - They really wanted, 'cause they wanted the season two of these characters. - I think it's because of things like, well, you have the shipping between Thai and Sora, Thai, Matt, and Sora. - True, and then that never goes anywhere. - And it kind of, well, it definitely is heavily implied that Matt and Sora are married and have children together. - Wow. - 'Cause they're right next to each other. And the kid that looks like Matt says to Sora that he'll keep an eye on the kid who looks like Sora that Matt is like talking to. - Oh, maybe. - And then-- - It's weird that they would mention it explicitly for Jo and, or for Yolie and Ken and not for them. - Well, you know what I think it is, is that Yolie has been boy crazy and like romantic this whole time. - That's true. - He did get to get married to Ken. And that is cute, I think, her bisexual king, Ken, and T. Jo and Ken. - Oh my God. - And I wasn't crazy about this ending too. You know, I was of a mind that I had my own pairings and my own ships and now I think differently and I think this is a good ending. I was working on my own fan fiction that was a little bit, the one part I still don't like is that the kids, I don't really love everybody knowing about Digimon. - Yeah. - I think that like the government becoming aware. - That's good. - I think the government becoming aware about Digimon and Ty working with the government to like foster relations to the digital world is cool. I think Izzy is still researching the digital world. I even think Jo being a doctor for Digimon is really fun. I don't love that all of the children just have the same Digimon that their parents did. - Oh, honestly, I was like so overwhelmed and I didn't even know that. - And I totally get it because it's like, they're not gonna design unique Digimon just to be seen in this one clip, but. - I think we've been better on virtual movie if that scene had been them finding like the eggs and we didn't see what the eggs are changing. - Well, maybe, yeah, and are we right? - In our view, right. - Yeah, who are you shipping as being married in our Indians, 'cause I have ideas? - I think, I mean, obviously, you'll lean can. - Yeah, they're the one that I like strong on. - Honestly, the Mad Sora Thai thing doesn't feel like compelling to me, 'cause it doesn't really feel like any of them actually have that much chemistry. It just feels like the two main boys and the main girls in season one. So naturally, there has to be a love triangle. It's kind of how it feels to me. I would say Jo and Mimi still. - So my initial thought was I was like, well, Thai's gotta get married to Sora and Matt's gotta get married to Mimi. But then I was like, not in Mimi have no interactions. - Yeah, I think Jo and Mimi. - I, here's my thoughts, here's the breakdown. Matt and Sora. - Okay. - Teaking in Kari, but now they're divorced. - Oh. - Yeah, I didn't really think about Kari if she. - I wish I could forget. I'm sorry, she's fine, she's fine. You'll lean can. - Mimi and Izzy. - Interesting, okay. - They introduce the girl and try that is clearly supposed to be Thai's love interest. - Okay. - And I think Jo and June. - Okay. - I wish June had been there as Jo's wife. - That's interesting. - Okay. 'Cause I'm the only people that I could see Matt marrying are either Sora or June. - Yeah. - Maybe she can't take in Kari can stay there anymore. - I kinda, maybe this is boring, but I kind of thought a lot of them had explosives that just weren't in the show. Like they had to make them as kids, they met. - I don't know if you saw the kids. - But they all kind of, they all look like each other. - Yeah. - Like they all look-- - Mash-ups of each other. - Mash-ups of each other. The only one that doesn't is Cody has a daughter that looks just like him. And we don't really see Cody with another character. - Yeah, I don't ship Cody with anyone who's at it. - My ship was Cody and Rosa 'cause they were like around the same age. - Oh, maybe. - But now I'm thinking Cody and, though two that I don't know are Cody and Davis. - Yeah. - I ship Davis with Noriko for a little while. - I was thinking about Noriko. - And Cody with another one of the dark spore kids. - Huh. - But. - Um. - So. - So stop. Can I get some thoughts on this finale? - Yeah, yeah. - So I liked this finale a lot better than the season. Okay. The season one final episode where they're like saying goodbye or whatever is amazing. - Yeah. - But that's kind of like that whole episode is kind of like an epilogue. The finale like arc of "Apocalypse Mon". Super out of nowhere, super rushed, anticlimactic. Like here's the big bat, here's the big actual final boss, big actual final plan. OJK, he's gone. They kind of did that a little bit this time with Mal and my own son. - I think it's better. - But because it's better because it's two episodes because we know that he's been channeling Oh, we call her this whole time, also 'cause it's a callback to my Otis Mon. - The best villain from the first season. - Yeah. - It feels more, I think also knowing that it's like the final adventure. Like it's not like season one, the finality of that like epilogue episode where they're saying goodbye is cheapened a little bit by knowing that Zero Two is coming and that the characters like are present there. So it's not like goodbye, goodbye, where this is actually goodbye. So I think it has more impact there. - Well, this is not goodbye, goodbye. - But it's like, - But it definitely feels that way because there's such a huge gap in this finale airing and the premiere of "Digimon Avenger" trying. - Yeah. And it's also, they've done a 25 year time skip. So like, the point of that is like, okay, so that's kind of like, all you need to know about these kids childhood. - What I do, sorry, not to cut you off. - No, that's okay. - What I do like is that, you know, adult TK says that they're still having adventures. But not like the ones that they have on their kids. - Don't, yeah. - And I was like, you know, maybe today, because I'm, I'm, I've turned 33 and I think you, I grew, I grew up myself. - Yeah. - I think, you know, I kind of gotten this like vibe of like, well, I'm old now because I am way older than any Digimon protagonist has ever been for the most part. And I, you know, grownups aren't allowed in the digital world or whatever, you know, that kind of like thing. I was like, oh, I'm too old to be delving into this fantasy. - Yeah. - But there's still time to have adventures even though I'm approaching my mid 30s. - Yeah. - So I, I don't know, it warmed my heart to hear that story. - So yeah, I think there are some little things, maybe they're not little, but there are some things in this episode that I think helped tie it together in a more cohesive way. Like, I don't know if you might have mentioned this when you were explaining it and I might miss it, but the, because Black Wargre, Wargre Mon closed the gate in Tokyo where the kid, the season one kids and the parents are all gathered in order to get back into the digital world is the like snowy mountain where they first into the digital world. It's the summer camp, yeah. So like that is very much like a full circle moment. It being my Otis Mon again is full circle. - Oh, they've slowly attended this to be the end. - Yeah. And it's, but it feels like more, it feels more prepared and more deliberate than the Apocalypse Mon thing, which felt like we need one more episode. - Absolutely. - So I, like, I'm, I guess I can see where it's controversial from a fandom perspective because like the shipping element of it and stuff like that, from a narrative perspective, I think this blows, this is in one. - I think it's controversial because of the era. You know, like early internet, people arguing on forums about stuff. - That makes sense. - I don't think it's really that controversial anymore. - Yeah, you think you can understand older. - Yeah. - I think of it as like, oh, you know, I kind of wish that I think the biggest disappointment is not, not pursuing a career, some career in entertainment and music. - Yeah. I think so too. - I think, I think Matt, even growing up to be like a tour manager or something. - I just had a thought that. - Or managing a younger kid's band. - Okay, here's my thought. I don't wanna make you cry. You know how TK and Matt's whole thing was like, they missed each other 'cause they didn't get to spend a lot of time because it's divorced. What did they like to go through books together? - Yeah, like something like that, where like there was. - Matt is now working with those camera guys that keep working here. - Yeah, so are we talking about the season as a whole? - I think we can, we're not. - Yeah, so I think, ultimately, and I wanna hear your thoughts, but you've already, you have seen each other. I wanna hear your thoughts, but you have seen each of these several times, so I think ultimately, I liked this better than season one. I think it is much more of a narrative season than season one, which is much more of like a Saturday morning cartoon-like flavor of the week. - It still has a narrative arc, but it's- - I think that this still has elements of the new bad guy every week. You know, new challenge to face. But I think that there's something that feels more grand about, is more- - There's more characters. - And I think- - I do think that it is really because it was probably meant to be the finale to this universe, like- - Yeah. - 'Cause Tamar's is not in the same universe. - Right. - 'Cause otherwise- - We'll see some homages to- - Does you mind the venture in Tamar's? - Yeah, but it would be hard for them to like- - Do a season like Tamar's if everyone knows the digital world. Like it's over now. - Well, you don't even know. You don't even know, yeah. - True. - So- - But- - Like I've been saying, I really love this season. I love these characters. Like I've been saying, like, I don't really view them as like children or mouse. It's like this is my childhood friend, Davis. - Yeah. - And I think that this is really spending to watch my birthday. 'Cause I think, you know, I've been, you know, full, like, transparency. I have a feeling really depressed lately. And hearing them shout about believing in your dreams and, you know, the only person that can stop your dreams is you. And I was like, that's true. You know, and I just like, okay, I need it. My old friends that you just didn't tell me that, so. - Yeah. - But I think this has been a great season. I really loved talking about it with you and showing it to you. - Not sucks. - Even though we had some ups and downs and we've been sort of with our recording process and- - Yeah, and the frickin' dark ocean. Oh yeah, there was like one line about like, maybe if the world of dreams can grant wishes, maybe the dark ocean makes your fears of reality or something. I'm like, okay, whatever. - Yeah, stupid. - Get out of your dark ocean. - And we don't even see the conclusion to the dark ocean until Digimonadventure try. - I don't, I don't care. Like, I don't- - I think that, you know, we definitely noticed that, oh, overall, the structure was more compelling of 0, 2 as opposed to Digimonadventure because Digimonadventure, there's clear beats. We have the coming to the digital world, immediately to Digimon. Everybody to Digimon is to champion. We defeat Devimon. - Yeah. - Then we gotta go, we can't go home yet. We gotta find the tags and the crafts and we gotta go to the other continent and we gotta defeat Edimon, who's a little bit more silly than Devimon, but still scary. - Yeah. - And then we gotta learn about the incursion of the digital world and the real world. - Yeah. - And then it's time for Myotasmon. He's really scary. And then it's, okay, we're protecting the real world and the digital world from Myotasmon. And then it's the Dark Masters, which I think is very rushed. - Super-ish. - Yeah, I think everything up to Myotasmon in the first adventure is really, is kind of as tight. It's a good narrative. - Yeah. - And then we defeat Myotasmon and it's, okay, the Dark Masters are here. - Yeah. - And we're gonna defeat them in like, you know, a long weekend. - Yeah. - I thought it feels very rushed. And then a path in one that's come out of nowhere. I think almost for that, it would've been better for us to learn about a path in one up front. - What that's what I was gonna say is, I think that's why I like about season two is even if there is an element of like, monster of the week, it's usually tied to a villain that we know, like the digital emperor. - Yeah, there's only one of my mom. - We have to defeat Ken. We have to defeat our okay mom and mom and mom. - And they're like present in the episodes. Like, even if they're not the ones doing the fighting, they're there in the episode. - Yeah, we have to stop black walk around. - It feels more grounded. And less, season one, it feels like they're, they're like lazily trying to create mystery by just like not telling you stuff. Where season two, there's like-- - The season one is like a journey to get back home. - Yeah. - A journey to like get back to the state of normalcy. - Mm-hmm. - And like growing and learning about yourself and developing a friendship with the Digimon. And in season two is maintaining that friendship with the Digimon, but also now it's more of a, it's not quite, it's not quite an isekai anime is they're not trapped in a-- - No, they're fighting for something on-- - They are, they are free moving in between their world and the digital world. - Yeah. - And that I think is making it more, I think that this is a more grand tale than the first adventure. - I think so too. - I think that it's, when it hits, it hits. - Yeah, absolutely. - Like all the stuff with Ken and Worm on that hit, black or gray mine. - Any of those would have been good enough to be like a finale. And we got all of them in one season. Like you could have had a season culminating in the Ken and Worm on stuff or in the black or gray monster or in the Malamayo response stuff, but then we got all of those piece. - Yeah, I do think that the Owekawa dark spore narrative is rushed. - I think, it's hard for me to feel that way because we just love to watch it, but I think it makes me feel like the dark masters where it's over so quickly. - Yeah. - But it feels like we are, I think what is interesting about it is that we meet Owekawa before the Digimon World Tour. - Yeah. - And then they leave Japan to go on this world tour, which is kind of stopping Owekawa's plan of like, you know, shifting the border of the digital world or whatever. But it is so obvious to glaringly solve that some things up in Japan. - Yeah. - Like, so we had said previously that we wish that June had become kind of, this is where June became into Digi Destin. - Right. - And what would have almost been interesting is that like, okay, now it's Joe and June or, not Joe, Jim and June, Joe's brother are like, like kind of tailing, are you cutting mine and money mine? Here's how, here's how we save them, okay? They are Joe and June's partners, or Jim and June's partners. - Oh damn, oh damn. - 'Cause I was like, oh, who's a brash, kind of obnoxious woman? - June. - June. - Oh my God, you're sweating. So, or even if we don't want to do that, we want to keep them still dying at the end, which is sad, but, okay. I think that, let's have Nancy be on the scale of Ocala. - That will be interesting. - Let's have the parents be more active again. - Yeah. - 'Cause we've kind of seen that Izzy's mom says that all of the other parents are helping with their special skills and she wants to help too. So, I think that it's just a really tiny narrative, it's really great. I mean, we've said in the past that we're gonna come back with, we're gonna do a cheer list, like how we did last time. - Well, yeah. - And I don't know what the chids will be about, we might rank all the characters, maybe we'll rank all the different armored devolutions that we've seen. Maybe we'll rank everybody the devolutions. - Yeah, I think all the new characters basically. - Maybe we'll call the new characters. I think that we're gonna watch the movie, we're gonna find it online somewhere. And we, I do want to watch the re-release of the movie, but I also want to watch the dub of the three movies that make up the movie. But we will watch that on our own time for the podcast. - Okay. And then after we watch the movie, we're gonna record a podcast about it. And then we will start, did you want Tamaras? - Oh, yeah. - So do you have any other thoughts about did you want to talk about Shaziro too? - Just, you know, like you said, I really enjoyed watching this with you and talking about it with you. And I really appreciate the journey that you have now had to take me on and that you're able to share. And I hope you have a happy birthday. And then I love you. - Gay? - Yeah. - I am? - Oh, please. - That's okay, I'm sorry. - What did, what did Kari say when she realized the illusion? - What nerve? - I like zoomed in on her algebra. - She said, "The nerve." - The nerve! And I'm like, "That's so funny." - Or like, she's using her karening powers for good. - The cheek, the call, the audacity and the gumption. - Kari is short for Karen. - Oh my gosh. - I love you too. And I love you guys out there on the phone. I really appreciate being tagged and stuff on Twitter. And I appreciate that people are patiently waiting for our episodes, even though our uploading schedule has been so sporadic. - Yeah. - We're busy adults and I know that people out there listening are busy adults too, so taking the time to listen to us talk about a show from the '90s is crazy to me, but I'm glad that-- - That's very special to me. - All over the world are along for our ride. And we're not stopping this train until we're done. - Yeah, so we hope you'll join us for the next one. - So we'll join us for our tier list episode, and then we'll join us for the movie, and then we'll join us the movie star Digimon Tamers. - Yay. - I think you're really gonna like Tamers. - I think so too. I have a good feeling about it. - I've been Adam. - I've been Michael. - And if you meet a creepy man who offers you a dark sport, don't take it. - We're in the fight. - We're getting a strike. - Goodbye everybody. - Bye. [ Silence ]