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This week’s podcast is presented by Stephen and Jacqueline.

We hear from:

Witherspoon, who wants to welcome Zainab and Khalil into the fabric of the Ambridge community;
Ros from South Wales, who is very happy that Clarrie is back;
Love Jazzer’s Singing, who wants more Hannah;
Katherine, who wonders what the rewilding project is all about;
Globe-trotting Richard, who thinks that Fallon and Natasha might find synergy;
Robert in Toulouse, a first time caller-innerer - Hurrah! - who wants more Rex;
Kirk, who has thoughts about the Bridge Farm employment crisis and the Ambridge Christmas Show;
Jef, who is worried about Americanisms in Ambridge;
and finally Richard again, with a question about Brad and George.;

Plus: we have the Week in Ambridge from Suey, a roundup of the Dumteedum Facebook group from Michlle, and the Tweets of the Week from Theo.

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[Music] This is Dumpty Dum, a weekly podcast about the archers and the goings on of Ambridge. I'm Stephen Bowden and I've studied beauty as well as hair. And I'm Jacqueline Bertho, happily sporting the roadkill look. And then as you are lovely Dumpty Dammers, planning to stay single as long as you can. Welcome to Dumpty Dum, a place to talk about all the things that are happening in our favorite Borussia village. This week's scripts are written by Naylor Ahmed for the second week in a row, but with what felt like an almost completely different cast. Coming up we have calls from Whitherspoon, who wants to welcome Zainab and Kaleel into the fabric of the Ambridge community. Roz from South Wales, who's very happy that Clary is back. Love Jazz is singing, who wants more Hannah. Catherine, who wonders what the rewinding project is all about. Globes Notting Richard, who thinks that Fallon and Natasha might find synergy. Robert in Toulouse, a first-time cholera! Hurrah! Hurrah! Who wants more rew? Kurt, who has thoughts about the Bridge Farm Employment Crisis and the Ambridge Christmas Show. Jeff, who is worried about Americanisms in Ambridge. And finally Richard again, with a question about Brad and George. Plus, we have the weekend Ambridge from Sui, a roundup of the Dumpty Dum Facebook group from Michelle, and the tweets of the week from Theo. But let's start by reminding ourselves of what happened over the last seven days, with the weekend Ambridge from Sui. Hello, lovely people. It's Sui Queen Autart here, and I round up with this weekend Ambridge up until Thursday, because I'm going to a gig. And I don't know whether I'll be home in time for midnight one, but I'll see what I can do. Well, it's been another week all round, hasn't it? So as of Thursday night, we still don't know whether George is alive or dead. Seems unlikely, he's dead, as you would expect, that somebody would have told Emma and Will, at least. Emma continues to blame Susan and Neil for persuading her to call the police on George. Neil proved what a lovely man he is by carrying clave love shopping, and then everything got a bit prescient with him having a bit of a funny turn. Not his first. That didn't stop him lugging veg around at Bridge Farm. What's going to happen? He can't get a doctor's appointment, so that much is true at least. Will and Ed tried to get Elizabeth to tell them how to pull strings with the Department of Justice. The answer is, you can't. Will find out what the rest of the village think when Grundy Will, that pulls takes place. Jobs would divvied out without any real enthusiasm for dressing up as an apple in a suit, which of course doesn't exist yet. Clary love is being forced into a few nights in a garret, magicing up something that a bit like a football team mascot for very little reward. Pat's plan is to take all the grandbabies, whether they want to kill or not. Helen might be buying Kirsty's house and feature wood so that Kirsty can release equity, and then she can buy Will they farm. Adam was given intensive training in the coffee making machine. He has made a blunder buying Halloween merchandise rather than the spooky disco merchandise. He won't be allowed to use the bunting, but seems reluctant to make more. Anyway, he's not going to have time when he has to do more hours in the tea shop. Fallon finally has a unit of the electric vehicle charging station. Woohoo! And Natasha is proper put out and can't understand why she's going and feels hurt. Well, Patton Henry are all about the goats, and it sounds like they will be goat curry all round. Apparently, the previous goats were dairy, but now they're going to be introducing meaty goats. Brad took coffee all over Zainab in the tea room, and then he wrapped his scarf rounder. Oh my, what's me going to think? Chelsea hitched a lift on Zainab's scooter and Brad followed them on his push bike. Chelsea is going to do a ride browse because she's learnt how to do threading, and her ride ashes as well. Oh, it's also sweet, you friends. How lovely. So, it's hardly been shaking and bridging to the core this week. But, personally, the longest usual. We'll have 20 wadlets next week. I'll talk to you then. Thank you for that. Suey, a brilliant round-up as usual. So, how was your week meeting, Geoff? Busy, great. I've gone up a group in granny cycling, so I was very excited by that. I've gone from the slow and steady to the fast and furious, and we went a long, long way. And on our Instagram page, I posted some pictures to so people believe I actually do granny cycling. So, it was very good. What about you, Steve? What have you been up to this week? It's been a fairly quiet week, but there's been a small reorganisation at work, which has left me with a new boss. So, I had a first meeting with her over dinner with her and some other people in the new team that I'm now partals in the week, which was good. It's nice to know they've got a whole new team to look forward to your bakes. Yes, I haven't been baking much recently. The trouble is, since I was on my diet and losing weight, I have been less baking. I need to get back to that now that all the work from the house has done. I really ought to get the kitchen back up and running and copying the technical bakes from Bake Off. Oh, yes. You should be doing that, definitely. I wish I lived closer. I think that's probably quite enough about us. Let's get on to the important bit, which is you a lovely caller, Inneros, and we're going to start with a very regular voice. Hello, Tiger. Mm-hmm. Y'all know how this goes. Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling into salads and scrambled eggs. Greetings, Jacqueline, Stephen, and all of them to eat embers around the world. It's with the spoon, and I'm going to get saggis here. I call her Innering early in the week because I'm going to be traveling with husband to England in a few days. We'll be in Cornwall and Devon, and by the time most of you are listening to this, I'll be recovering from what I anticipate. We'll be a wonderful wedding at the Dingles Fairground Museum. Tomorrow, we're off to London for a few days with a very full dance card of seeing friends. First, Purple Pumpkin's email made me chuckle. Is the amber to breeding ground for criminals? Is it genetic or environmental? She and the host even forgot to add Philip Moss to the list of convicts. In follow-up to Jeff's email, I was reminded of the wonderful dramatic film we recently saw Sing Sing. Sing Sing, of course, is the nickname of the prison in Asening, New York. The film follows a group of prisoners who participate in the rehabilitation through the arts theater program. To quote, "a program that helps incarcerated people develop life skills, build self-esteem, and express themselves." The film shows how creative and educational programs can be transformative for individuals as they prepare to re-enter the community. I do hope that George has access to and takes advantage of something similar. Finally, let's talk about the newest Ambridge residents, Zainab and Khalil. I also thought of Meatcute, not just with Khalil and Linda, but with Zainab and Ben. Will there be a romantic between them? But I must say, so far, I've thought the two offspring of Azra have been re-toward their elders and have demonstrated a sense of entitlement. Actually, when Khalil speaks, his voice reminds me of a combination of George with his grunts and Josh with his sarcastic edge. Anyway, I think they'll mellow out as they become part of the fabric of the community. Talk to your scene. Oh, great. Thanks for calling in before you set off when you've traveled with a spoon at Dinkles Fairground Museum venue for a wedding. That sounds quite exciting. I quite like that idea. Never been there, but I know it's in the middle of Cornwall somewhere. So I hope the weather is reasonable on Saturday for you, because in Sanguen, it is not reasonable at all in any way whatsoever. Oh yes, Philip Moss. We all forgot Philip Moss, didn't we? Yeah, he's not exactly an Ambridge criminal, though. He was a Welsh import. Yeah, but he was still very much part of him, but fabric of Ambridge for quite a few years and married to Kirsty and we knew all about his Christmas jumpers and lights and things. We knew quite a lot about him and his well spotted with a spoon. We all missed him. I've been curious about the attitude of Zainab and Khalil, because I have a tendency to agree with with a spoon that they're coming across, but I don't know whether it's a kind of entitlement and badly behaved with the elders. They come across to me as extremely confident young people. Even Khalil, who is quite young, we don't actually know how old he is, do we think he's 13, 14? Something like that. Yeah, he seems quite confident, although Zainab has obviously been put in charge of him and is keeping an eye on him when the mum's at work, because the dad's away. I just feel that they're very confident young people rather than rude. I don't know. Lillian thought they were rude last week, didn't she? Yes, I think that it's more a matter of confidence, and it's a lack of respect shown to people who perhaps expect respect, but don't automatically merit it like Linda, who expects to be treated in a particular way. They're not showing deference in an old-fashioned way, and I think there's a lot of old-fashioned views within the village that they are brushing up against. I wonder if that's a difference between village life and city life, because they've come from a city and they will have had respect for elders as in the wider family. I'm assuming that they have other family members that they know and see fairly regularly, not everybody's in his stand. They don't know the hierarchy of the village, they don't know Linda is MBE, she's the llama woman to them. And with the spool I was wondering about romance in the air and meat cutes, but it looks like we've got a very clear idea of where, if there is a romance involving Zainab, it appears to be going to be with Brad rather than with Ben. Well certainly if Chelsea has anything to do with it, but I thought it was good that Zainab and Chelsea met, because they seem to tell it immediately as girls do over something like the sugaring and the henaring and all that. If one of them is interested in it, I know it's a funny coffee throwing coffee over yourself or other people meeting, but I actually found those scenes quite touching. I even quite liked Natasha when she said no you can't go out when your t-shirts went through. It showed a human size of Natasha which we haven't seen a lot of. True, I was trying to work out the geometry of the accident and I think that what must have happened is that Chelsea was holding Brad's cold coffee mug. Natasha walked into Chelsea resulting in Chelsea throwing the coffee over Zainab, both Chelsea and Natasha were feeling guilty about what was happened. Yeah but I was quite surprised with Natasha's concern, but it was very sweet. That takes questions that I learnt, plus three meet cute was definitely between Chelsea and Zainab and Paul. Brad, yes, so there's lots of scope for more of that to go on. And you were saying Natasha was showing her some humanity, we'll get on to a discussion a bit later on. Oh yeah. But another interaction involving Natasha where perhaps that wasn't quite the case. Indeed. But thank you with the poon and next up we have Ross. Hello Stephen and Jackie and all the dumpty-dumming tribe. It was from South Wales. I've just listened to Sunday's episode and gosh how my heart rose when I heard Clara's voice because she is such a good and decent person. And I really do have hopes that she will be able to weave together some of the fractures that have been created in the village really by her sort of good sense. I thought she did a grand job as Emma's mother-in-law, that was great. So, yeah, that was really good. And I was pondering the way the script writers can interlink all the families. And at first sight you think, how do Ed and Will feel able to go and talk to Lizzie about Freddie? And then I thought, well, when Clara first came to Ambridge, it was because her dad, Jethro, was hired as a farm worker by Phil Archer. I should think, yeah, they lived in a tide cottage on Vogue Field Estate. I can't remember what Clara was doing initially. She had a job, I think. So, no fault of her own. Anyway, the job finished and she ended up doing cleaning jobs around Ambridge. And inevitably, one of them, she had a long time, I think, she was Jethro's cleaner at Brookfield Farm. So, she would have known Lizzie and the other kids very well and indeed did. And that's part of the relationship she had with Shulu and things like that. So, yeah, I can see why Will and Ed would have felt able to go and talk to Lizzie. Elizabeth, as she now is, now she's gone up in the world. But good episode, I thought. I really enjoyed it. Okay, that's a lot. Thanks a lot. Thanks for doing your job and dumpty-dumming. I didn't realize it. You'd only been going, I'm listening to the, oh dear, what you call it, I've forgotten. Podcast, that's it. I'm trying to find the word, I'm so old, I don't know the words for these things. Your podcast. And I didn't realize that you had not been doing it for so long. I thought she was old as the orchus. Only a joke. Okay, bye-bye, everyone. Talk to you again soon, I hope. One more thing, Stephen, which I've just thought of, which is that of course, Elizabeth was always called Elizabeth by her mum and dad. And it was Nigel who called her Lizzie. And I'm not sure what her brothers and sisters called her, but anyway, that has suddenly suddenly come into my mind. So, in case someone else picks me up on that, I thought I'd tell you. Thank you for that call, Ross. I think David and Kenton and Shuler always called Elizabeth, just Elizabeth, like everybody else. And as you say, it wasn't until Nigel came along and started calling her Lizzie that that version of the name got currency. And yes, it was good to hear Clara again. It was good to hear Elizabeth as well, actually. We hadn't heard her for quite a while. And I think there were a couple of other returnees. But yes, you were asking about Clara and how she arrived at the village. Jethro turned up, I think, in 1966, having been living in Dorset, and he first was working for the Bellamy estate as it was then. And then he got a job with Ambridge Farmers, which was set up by Dan, and I think he was specifically working at Chloe Tree, which was being run at that point as a separate farm by Phil, and lived in a series of houses, including both Rickyard Cottage, which he would have done when he first started working for the archers. And then Woodbine Cottage as well, which is where Fallon and Harrison now live, I think, isn't it? And Clara had a job with a travel agent, which she then lost, and I'm not sure the circumstances under which she lost the job, but everyone was a bit disappointed when she did lose it. And as you say, she went around the village doing casual work, including cleaning for various people, including, I think, that Brookfield, yes, she would have got to know people through that. Whether that was enough to get Will and Ed to feel that they could go and call him Elizabeth, I'm not so sure, but I think there have been ongoing contacts between Elizabeth and the grondies on the other. And I think the connection between the fact that Freddie went to prison, and they felt that she was someone that they've known all their lives. She's always been involved in village life, so they're both from key point families, aren't they? They would have had a lot of interaction over the time you wouldn't, so they didn't know each other at all. And just the fact that Freddie's already been in prison and George, and they just wanted to pick her brains about contacting things, I thought that she offered some sensible advice. And I think at the end, when Will had gone up as Will's, definitely in a wobbly place, offering the advice to Ed that he should keep an eye on Will, I felt was a very kindly piece of advice. And Ed, of course, took it kindly, whereas Will tends to be a bit spiky about these things. Will wanted to hear something that Elizabeth wasn't willing to tell him, because she was right to say, you can't fight this, you've just got to go along with it. There's nothing special about George that will merit special treatment. So, when they first arrived and Elizabeth's first statement was, "I can't see a way to condone George's actions." And you feel almost here, Will broisling. And he didn't want to be there, "I'm going now." And Ed was very much the voice of come. And this is what we've seen in the past with these two, isn't it? That they are very contrasting characters, and their reactions are very different. And I know George's Will's biological son, but Ed has already said that he's been invested in George's life. And also, he lives with Emma, so he's got all the furor and the sadness and the panic of Emma going on in his home life as well. So, I just felt that it was a great conversation with Elizabeth with some home truths, some sympathy on her part. But also, she did point out that George has three parents. Yes. And she was alone. And I thought there was a very sound thing for her to say, because we're getting the Grundy's saying, "Oh, well, he's us, Emma," especially. And there you are, Elizabeth pointing out the massive difference between her and her son being in prison and them. Although, they are considerably richer than the Grundy's, so the worse conversation to the other action. Yeah, but mentally, I don't know whether the mental health felt that helps at all. It means that you can bring in support through other things. Yes. So, thank you for that call, Rose. That was very good. And next up, we have another familiar voice. It's Love Jazz The Singing. Hello, Jacqueline, Steven, and all dumb to dumbas. It's Love Jazz The Singing Calling. I am very much enjoying everybody's input on this extraordinary piece of drama with regard to George's story unfolding and how it's affecting everyone and how brilliant the performances are. But what I want to talk about today is a scene which really made me lean into the radio box and prick up my ears and has been on my mind. And it's the scene when Alice stands aside for Hannah's potential romance, and I felt happy at first that she'd done that. I was shouting at the radio. I don't think Hannah would have been able to move forward had she not had that from Alice, because Hannah's a good person. She's quite straightforward and horrible. Also, I couldn't help thinking, Alice, there was a sort of, I don't know, there's a mismatch of power in that situation. Alice is someone who's made so many mistakes, and she's been so caught. She's always at the center of everyone. There's always people discussing what she needs and organizing things for her and having opinions and input. We know those people, don't we? Those sort of fragile people where everything seems to revolve around what they need. And if you're the sort of sturdy, stoic, reliable, pragmatic type, you can be forgotten and I feel like Hannah might be one of those people. And I'd love to see her come to the fore and to know more about her, and I wonder if that conversation was the beginning of that. I hope so, and thank you as ever for your extraordinary hard work. For making the show, which I really now understand, having had a glimpse of what it takes to get everything in place and ready for our e-holes. Speak to you next week. Goodbye. Lovely, lovely to hear from you, love Jasmine Singing, and to say that Hannah is a mystery to me, we know so little about her. We have the odd conversation between her and Stella now that they're sharing. We've had odd conversations in the past where we've had incidents with when she arrived and her and Neil didn't get on and there was a clash there. And then we obviously had the incidents with George. Hasn't she got a mum who has health problems and lives away and she has to go back occasionally to help her? But I agree with the mismatch of power that you have stated there because Alice is someone who she's fragile and she has problems and all her family is concentrating on her and her needs and helping her through, which is logical. But Hannah kind of plods away in the background. We knew that she fancied Chris, but I don't think she would make a move on Chris. Or did she ask him out? Yes, she did, didn't she? Yes, she's tried, she's made various attempts to do that to get friendly with immediately in the margins of the cricket. So I wonder whether, in fact, what it's needed is for Alice to say something to Chris along those lines rather than just to Hannah because Hannah's there and, as I was saying, made an attempt to get it together with Chris a bit, but Chris is still focused on Alice. Yes, Chris is clearly aware that Hannah fancies him, but as you say, he's still, I think, fixated on Alice. Alice may not have to say anything to Chris about Hannah, but just does need to make it quite clear that they are now co-parents and friends, but nothing more than that and there's no prospect of it being anything more than that. And then making sure, I guess, that Chris feels that there is no obstacle in the way of him getting together with Hannah. I think that he will always be worried about what Martha will think about all of it. But at this stage, I think she's so young that she will take anything that isn't too disruptive to her on the chin, and I don't think that Chris starting a relationship with Hannah will be particularly disruptive. I'm an exam of Hannah. I think that, yes, she was somewhat difficult when she first arrived. She was young, I think, barely more than a student, and she didn't get on with Neil because she had lots of ideas that he didn't really share. She then went away to the States for a while and came back with more knowledge, but also, I think, more maturity, which meant that she and Neil got on a lot better. And once they were out of a direct management relationship, when Justin reorganized things so that Neil had the outdoor pigs and Hannah had the indoor pigs so that they were separate, they started to get on really well. I just think that Hannah didn't really feel that Neil was managing things the way she wanted to, but give them each a different area of responsibility. And they could treat each other with respect, and it worked really well, and I think they now do respect each other. I know there are people down on Hannah because of the way she behaved when she first arrived, but in her case, which is probably exceptional for me. I'm prepared to let the past be the past and move things on, unlike the way that I approach the likes of Jazza. Yes, I was thinking exactly that. What about Jazza? Thank you for that, loves Jazza singing. Next up, we have Catherine. Hi there, it's Catherine, phoning on the middle of the night, Tuesday night. So, firstly, rewilding. Why would anyone invest in this? I don't actually get what it is apart from some fields that haven't been mowed, and a few animals and insects and stuff roaming around in the long grass. It just sounds such a boring thing to go and look at, and why anyone would want to give money to it. So, I think what they're doing is paving the way, either for Kirsty to leave, or for her to start at the new cafe that Valens got. So, secondly, the Grundy household. So, as far as I remember, in the great mystery that is Ambridge accommodation, the Grundys live in Oliver's house, and kind of share the household. Does he have a sort of annex or what? So, what Oliver's take been on all of this drama? It sounds very odd that they never consulted him, when they didn't only ever consult him about money, and they haven't got any money or anywhere to live. And then, lastly, the new cafe that Valens got to have, loved the idea of vegan. It won't work in the late, conservative, rural place. People would not go out of their way to go to this, if they would, they wouldn't go there very often. So, not convinced about this. But also, there's a big, very interesting, maybe Adam. Could you imagine going to a cafe? It's served by Adam droning on, "Oh my God, how boring. Your coffee would be cold before you'd even got to your seat." We'd just like, "Oh, that happened to somebody, doesn't it?" It was complaining, Justin, I think. So, yeah, really interesting, after third, things are a turning, aren't they, in average? Thank you for that call, Catherine. Three very different topics there. I'll pick up on rewilding to start with. It's quite our bizarre idea, financially. But the way it seems to work is that the government has got certain commitments to improving nature. And so, I think there's a plan to make sure that 30% of the countryside and 30% of the ocean is entirely left to nature. And that means that the government is prepared to give grants to people who are creating natural environments. And on top of that, rewilding takes carbon out of the atmosphere because it involves trees growing and general improvements to life. And that generates carbon credits in the crazy world of environmental finance. And there are companies who want to achieve net zero by offsetting the carbon that they burn with carbon credits, representing carbon that's being absorbed out of the atmosphere. And so, you have a big insurance company, which is investing a huge amount of money over a long time period on the Atlantic temperate rainforest, which is the type of land that used to be very common along the west side of the country. The idea is that over many, many years, there will be lots of trees growing up and down the west coast, all the way from Cornwall to Scotland. And this insurance company will be investing money in helping that happen and getting the credit for the carbon growth to offset their carbon usage, and they will therefore be able to claim net zero. Whether you believe that's all real or whether that's just fancy accounting is another matter. Less clear is what an individual philanthropic investor likes the one that about has pulled out after being interested during galloping on. What they get out of it, because apart from putting their name to it and being generally contributed to society, there isn't obviously a way of making much money out of this. You can do tours, you can do camping, you can do all the stuff that I think you think is rather boring, Catherine, but I think some people quite enjoy. But that doesn't make much money, that's going to make about enough money to cover the cost of your employees. It's not going to provide a return. Most of the return is somewhat fancy accounting as natural capital or what it's called. With gone to the Grendis, Oliver's house, they live in and Oliver lives with them, although we don't know much about their living arrangements. But it is strange that we have had no real input from Oliver about the George situation because a few months ago he was going to give George a certain amount of money to sponsor him to go forward and develop his career in the video stuff and the marketing and all hand in hand with the course that he did at college. Yeah, it is a bit strange that we don't know what Oliver thinks about the George situation, but that's often the case, isn't it? There are characters that are missing for one reason or another. Yeah, given how central Oliver is to the household at Grains Farm, it's odd that they didn't even mention him. I think they could have come up with a reason why he wasn't there to give them advice. They did with Clary. Exactly. So I guess there's a limited number of people that they can send off to Norfolk to look after sick relatives. But yeah, it's absolutely right that Oliver was missing from that. Yeah, what about the last point Catherine made about the viability of a vegan, plant-based cafe at a charging station? I think I've already stated a few weeks ago my view on this. I have always thought that sticking a EV charging station in Ambridge, which is off all the main roads, is a bit bizarre. It is right on the edge of the village. So I've said before, I think that for some people it will be easier to get to than Bridge Farm because it's literally popped down the street called the Green. Go down the footpath at the end, cross the road and you're at a solitary and you're right by where the station is supposed to be, but it's going to be designed for cars rather than for foot traffic. And so it is going to be somewhat dependent on EV owners, but on the other hand, EV owners probably have a higher proportion of vegans among them than regular car drivers. So there's a possibility that there will be a certain amount of fit, but it's going to depend a lot on the way that the venture as a whole attracts traffic for the charging. And then if it gets enough people visiting to charge their cars to make that side of the business worthwhile, then I think there's a reasonable chance that the units will be able to pick up on the passing trade, which won't necessarily go into the village. I just feel that the vegan plant-based idea is out of place in the countryside where it's surrounded by pig-fast people after a bacon sandwich, surely. Yeah, it's holiday used to be pigs and more recently it was chickens, chickens with wrecks and Toby. It was geese with wrecks and Toby and then chickens with Josh. Ah, yeah, trust us, change this then, so lagging behind in storylines. Let's move on to our next call, and this one is from Globe Trotting Richard. Richard calling in, well thank you to everyone on the podcast, and who calls in, I so much enjoy listening to all your contributions. I've had experience of going into business with employees and managers, and I thought that Natasha's throw a remark about what she's going to do to keep Falal on board was thought-provoking. Potentially, she could cut Falal in as a co-owner of the existing business, which after all, Falal has experience of running and ask for a share or not ask, propose that she gets a share in the business of Falal establishing as a partner, maybe investor. That deal could make a lot of sense for both of them, reducing competition, coordinating range, cross marketing, et cetera, et cetera. But it presupposes that Falal is really a great business woman, and if she were such a great business woman, she could have been making quite a lot of money out of the tier on previously, which evidently she hasn't done, otherwise she wouldn't be struggling. No, any business, whether you're cutting down trees, you're making cupcakes, or selling rocket fuel is based around selling things much more than it costs to make them. I mean, lots of customers and happy stuff, neither Falal nor Natasha seem to have cracked that particular problem, so that's my thought on that. I doubt when Natasha has the authority to make such an offer, even if she's smart enough to do so, and I'm not even sure it's that smart thing to offer. Given that O'Salam is not necessarily someone who I'd be leaping to go into business with, however it would be neutralizing competition. So we're thinking about, "Bye, keep up the good work." Thank you for that, Richard. We don't even know where you are this week, but I guess you're still globe trotting. I'm not going to say anything about the Falal and Natasha situation, because I'll have a call later on about that. Richard talked also about George's vocational training, whether it would be available to him in prison, but we don't know. I don't think we'll ever know, will we? No, and with a spoon actually raised that question as well, and I think the short answer is probably not. At the moment, prison's being so overcrowded, and he's in the youth wing of an adult prison. But I suspect that all prisons are overcrowded, and there just isn't the time or the space to do the sort of rehabilitation things that most people believe ought to be part of the prison experience to prevent re-offending. And I think that at the moment, they're just coping in prisons rather than actually being able to achieve anything. And we had that email from Jeff about singing, singing in, choirs in prison. I think that kind of volunteer group organizing, singing exercises and working together as a group to bring people together to help them team build in a way, or change the attitudes to be more team friendly. Maybe that's more the kind of thing that happens now, rather than learning a trade, as it were, in the olden days. Yes, things organized by external charities rather than by the prison service itself. So those are the first few calls from the remor to come. If you'd like to join in by calling us yourself, or dropping us a line by message or email, Jacqueline is here to tell you how, and all the details are also in the show notes. The first option is to record a message or plot prediction by going to www.speakpike.com/dumtidam, where you can leave a message of up to two minutes. Alternatively, you can send us a voice note or a written message via WhatsApp on 07810 012 881. And if you're calling from outside the UK, start with a +44 and drop that per 0. Please try to keep your call to a maximum of two minutes, although it isn't enforced that limit by as it is by Speakpike. And finally, we have an email address for you to contact us on if you'd rather write us with your views. 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Visit colorado.chefron.com Hey, I'm Ryan Reynolds. Recently, I asked Mint Mobile's legal team if big wireless companies are allowed to raise prices due to inflation. They said yes. And then when I asked if raising prices technically violates those onerous to your contracts, they said, "What the f**k are you talking about? You insane Hollywood s**t." So to recap, we're cutting the price of Mint Unlimited from $30 a month to just $15 a month. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch. $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first three month plan only. Taxes and fees extra. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes of details. And next up, we have a first-time caller in order. Hi, this is Robert from to lose a first-time caller in order. Now that the story about George is dying down a little bit, I was wondering what characters might be featuring in the next few weeks and months. I was thinking about Rex. He's been a little bit quiet for some time. And of course, there was quite a big story back in the day involving Toby and Rex and Pip, of course. And I always thought that Rex and Pip were going to find love at some stage. But then of course, different things happened. And I was wondering whether you think that's still a possibility or is that story now totally dead and buried? And what about Rex? Yes. What do you think his future might hold in the archers? Thanks. Thank you for that call, Robert. And thank you for calling in for the first time. It's a very good question. Rex is an interesting character. The last word of Rex, I think was not actually involving Rex himself, but a couple of people went by his boat to check it after some... Yeah, it was Kirsty, wasn't it? Was it happening? Kirsty is the person that Rex works most closely with. And I was wondering whether there was a possibility that they might get together. I think Kirsty is now 43. It's difficult to know exactly how Rex is. They've never really talked about it. But I have this suspicion that when Elizabeth was having her affair with Robin Tharebrother, Robin Tharebrother's wife was pregnant at the time, which is what had caused him to stray. And that was 37 years ago, which would make one of the two, and I suspect it would be Rex rather than Toby, 37 years old, which would fit about with when he arrived in the village 10 years ago having recently ended a career as a professional rugby player. So that would have been in his mid to late 20s, which is about long enough to establish himself as a rugby professional and then get injured. So there's a six-year age difference between Kirsty and Rex, which is not so great if they wanted to get together and they do work closely together and that seems to get on well. I think it would be fun to hear more from Rex. Toby is now off in the wine trade and we will go on hearing here my suspect as Rose's father. But I don't think it was any more prospect of a relationship between Pip and either of them because Pip has got stellar and I think they are going to inherit Brookfield. Yes, you've always said that. You're sticking to that story. I think it is a shame that we don't have Rex because he was one of those good characters who knew lots of people and was the link because he worked in the pub. He drove a taxi and he had some pigs on Lower Locksley land and he lived on this mystery boat on the Am, a canal boat. So it was a good character, it was a talking point to me, he was a connecting character and I for one really like those people, those people that bring other people together. So yeah, I missed him and obviously his boat is still there because we had that. So as we said that conversation with his boat being damaged and repainted. But yeah, I wonder where he is. I don't think I even think I know. I can't remember. Why he isn't there? I don't do something. I don't think he has. I think he's around. I think we just haven't heard from him. The pigs are still at Lower Locksley. The taxi is just I think it was a reference to him and his taxi at one point quite recently. So present but silent like so many other characters like Hannah was for such a long time. Yeah, exactly. So in fact, as you said at the beginning, we've had quite a few new characters, not new characters, old characters coming back into the stories this week. In fact, the one that everybody dreads because I had so much of her, but I'd quite like to hear from her because she irritates me so much. It is Helen. Yes. She has silent for ages. And then suddenly back and tied up with all this wretched school stuff, which I think we will get on to. Indeed. Next up, we have a call from her. Hello, it's Kurt. A second time called a written a run. One thing I've been perplexed about this week, calling it after a 13 night show, by the way, is the lack of Johnny in the bridge farm employment crisis. No mention of Johnny. They just casually mentioned him at the start of the employment crisis when George started to be persona non grater and also other issues were happening. And he seems to have sailed off in the world. Presumably, he's still doing that. No mention of what he's up to or anything like that. I think it's quite like him as a character. I always thought his answer with some of the other characters was quite fun, particularly Jazza. Yes. Also thinking about the whole bridge farm employment crisis. There is a stream of young people around. Obviously, there wouldn't be characters that speak in the arches that they could call upon surely to get working. Working with them. I'm also walking home from a show rehearsal. So gets me thinking that this show I'm currently rehearsing is put on in early November. But we're also rehearsing for a pantomime, which will be put on at the end of January. And there's always perplexes me with the arches is there's no mention of the Christmas show this year. And it always seems to be thrown together at the last minute, which annoys me as someone who spends the majority of their life preparing for one show in the amateur dramatic world. Yes, Kirk. Thank you for calling in again. Yeah, bridge farm. It's always been a bit of a mystery how they do things because surely I've always questioned. And I know Bob Trotting Richard questions as well. The overall business plan and where they're going because they do tend to make snap decisions. And this week, I think we've seen past six signs of that. Henry has an idea about goats and now suddenly Pat's going to add a meat billy to her nannies and try and produce a meat producing goat. But where does the money come from for this retired woman to buy a billy goat. I don't quite understand. And that falls into the same category as the Johnny situation. Johnny was very definitely made part of the farm at Pats. Real quite insistence at the time. And then he's disappeared off the face of the earth. I don't basically, I think they're going to lose him. I think he's going to be a silent and not come back for many years. But as Kenton did. Yes, indeed. I was wondering whether Johnny was in Barcelona at the moment, carrying one of the America's cup yachts. A bit sighting, wouldn't it? Coke's other point was about Christmas shows. And yes, it's a long running gripe of a lot of people that these shows have thrown together at the last moment and seem to come off perfectly. My son works at the Loft Theatre in Lemington Spa. And they plan their schedules out months, years in advance. He is going to put on a plate of his own that he wrote. And they've agreed to that. I think it is probably earlier in the summer or late spring of this year for a production in October of next year. So that's a sort of time span for a fairly small production in terms of planning in advance. So that's partly driven by respect by use of the space rather than the actual demands of the production because they haven't really got started on that because they've got the previous productions to do. But even there, the casting is all done well in advance so people can learn their parts and then they can start rehearsing. And then towards the end, you bring in the production side of things, stage management, sound design, lighting design, all of that. But begin with, you've got to have the thing set out and you need to know quite a long time in advance what's going on. And the average, it always seems to be thrown together. They put on a Christmas production and don't start thinking about it till the beginning of December. And that is. No, no, no. It drives me out to be bonkers. We have an Amdram group here in Sanguine. And the calls out for people to be involved from the management group, which is three people. And they called out in June for looking for characters for a production that will go out at the end of January, beginning of February next year. Yeah. It's a good nine, ten months in the making. So yeah, Ambrages are very much an exception. And as you say, we are not the only ones to moan about this. You're not alone, Kirk. Good luck with the Amdram. That sounds exciting. Two things at the same time. So thank you for that call, Kirk. And next up, we have Jeff. It's Jeff. And it's a short comment on the use of Americanisms in the archers. Do find Adam saying from here on in bit for me, America, what wrong with from now on its shorter and it's more traditional English. And Adam's not meant to be that young, is he? There we are. All right. Little message. Bye. Thank you for that. No, Adam is not young at all. I think he's almost very late in the 50s, almost 60 now. He's just a bit younger than I am. But I think that he probably picks up his Americanism through all the stuff he reads and all the work he does on enriching the soil. I think that he probably gets it from external sources rather than just organically from people around him when he was into herbal layers and all that sort of stuff. I'm sure he would have been reading American books and listening to American videos or whatever the sources are. There are various ways in which language evolves. And even in somewhere as rural and traditional as Ambridge, young people obviously, but also I suspect older people who bring in learning from outside end up adding in expressions like that. And they are getting increasingly common. Yeah. And he did spend quite a lot of time in South Africa. According to my South African friend, I talked to her about it this week and she said that, in fact, their language has evolved so much in the last 20 years and it's almost indistinguishable from British and African English, if you can say this on that mix, to a very much more amid Atlantic kind of English becoming more and more American. That's quite an interesting development. I'm assuming that Adam also changed the way in which he spoke from rural English to international English, where he was there. Yeah. So I think he was in East Africa as well with the goat project. Yeah. The goat project was in Mozambique or somewhere like that, wasn't it, tons in there. But we've had, we had somebody calling or an email in last week about this Americanism and I'm not, I'm just still not too sure. Maybe I don't notice it. Maybe because I watched too much Netflix or something like that, but it doesn't ring out to me at all. But if other people are noticing, it's a good thing to talk about. But yeah, it's not something I notice at all. I think that the script writers are probably going to be using language that they feel is right for the characters. And I think it's different script writers using the same expression. So I suspect it's not too jarring for everybody. Though I can understand that some of the expressions are a bit much, but I don't know whether it's because they're Americanisms or simply because they are modernisms. Modernisms, yeah. I would say exactly the same thing. But good talking point, Jeff. Thank you very much. And now for our final call, and we are going back to Richard. Hi, Richard, calling in. I have already called in once, but in the Facebook group, I made some comments about George and Brad's relationship and what will happen to George in prison. I can't work out why Brad likes George. They don't seem to have anything in common and be wildly apart in terms of character interests and values. My big sister had been pointed out that perhaps it's because Brad didn't have any other friends apart from me, but that doesn't seem to bother him too much. What else can I say? I wonder if George will get some vocational training or counseling in prison and come out of that person or not. I suspect there's going to be a lot of discussion on that topic coming year. Maybe Alice or I'm only from this promise to come out of a better person. I already called in about the Natasha Fallon negotiation and think that today's episode goes into the annuals of case studies in the book. This could have business and how not to run things. The fact that Natasha is completely blindsided reflects how badly she was managing Fallon, not having a weekly one-on-one, even 10-15 minutes where she listens to what's on Fallon's mind, offering a little bit extra money. And more responsibilities when clearly Fallon wants to do her own thing was just so lacking in insight. And it was so patently dishonest to claim that Fallon was such a valued employee when not a word has been said about that optical limit, someone quits. I do hope that anyone listening to whatever is in a situation where they're managing people, even if they don't have experience since five minutes on Google and read a book or two about how to do it. The remembruses have pursued in how not to do it. Bye-bye and thanks everyone who listens to the podcast. Yeah, thanks for that update, Richard. George and Brad, yes, it's always been a curiosity to me that Brad has felt that George can push him into doing things. He does he like George? He's definitely said he liked him in that last conversation that they had. I also heard Henry saying he misses George this week, which was interesting because we've only ever had snippets of George and Henry together. Although he did stick his aura in as far as getting in touch with Rob Tichner as concerned in those last months of his life. So George is obviously a person that appeals to other young men in the village and Brad has always been forced to follow him around but not do the same things with him. He got dragged into the bench business and forced Brad to do his droning business but whether Brad will is another question. I guess it's just such a circumstance that they're pushed together. I think that George is probably a lot more charismatic than we understand. He's a successful, to some extent, influencer on with his videos and I think that Brad probably looks up to him in many ways because George is successful at things that Brad can never hope to be good at. I like being more worldly. A lot more worldly and generally more successful with girls, successful with the videos, successful with various other things. And Brad's strength slide elsewhere but I suspect he can't help being somewhat envious of the easy way that George gets by with everything and gets away with stuff. So I think while we know that at his beating heart, George is a complete and utter scrot. It doesn't mean that that's exactly how he comes across to people of his own age and I think that he has an aura of success around him in that way. Which probably means that everybody is more shocked than they would otherwise be about his ending up in prison. Yeah, I can see it from that point of view. The one thing I would disagree with you there is that George is more successful with girls because we don't really know that he's got it on with anybody at all. And he's always been chasing and hoping and having certain appeal to on the internet but no, I agree that the point is not whether or not he's actually successful, it's whether or not the likes of Brad think he is. Okay, I misunderstood. Yeah, Natasha, she has been a very definite little cow this week. I found that she's so not only blindsided but she's also so lacking in insight of any, oh actually, and lacking morals because they took over the tea room, they took over Fallon's business. And Fallon was in shock about that she tried to talk. I never quite understood the logistics of how they managed to do it because it was Fallon's business in their property. So I've never quite understood why but in fact, why Fallon didn't say to her no I'm sorry but you took over my business you took over my outside catering and so just bogged off. I don't know. Richard earlier talked about whether or not Natasha and Fallon's working together in a different sort of partnership would work and he was a bit dismissive of it because he doesn't think that Fallon's a good business woman. I was thinking that was totally implausible because it was quite there from the way that Fallon was talking at the end of I think Tuesday's episode when she got the contract for the EV charging station in how relieved she was to be able to get shot of Natasha. And I don't think there is a chance in hell of Natasha and Fallon ever working together in the way that Natasha seems to think it's possible because Natasha has completely destroyed Fallon's trust in her. And Fallon will never want to work with her ever again because what happened last time could happen again. I think that beyond any business synergy or whatever it might be a brilliant idea from a commercial perspective but Fallon is not going to do it. Curious that we didn't hear Tom's point of view this week on it. We had Pat and Helen talking with Natasha about it. But no input from Tom, not that I think he would have given any sensible input because he's Tom. Yeah, see he was spending the week with Sarah and Nova. Mm, babysitting. Good for him. So those are the calls. Thank you so much for calling in. We always say this show is about what you the listeners think. So please do tell us how the week was for you in Ambridge and call in next week. We had no emails this week, so let's move on to Patreon. And as we have mentioned a few times now, Patreon backers have dumped it on getting an early add free version of the podcast at around 6pm on a Saturday. This isn't a guarantee, just an aim as a maybe weeks where other demands are my time and I can't get the edit done until later. And patrons also get a weekly email about Dumpty Dum and the Archers, which this week fits should a putty history of Americans in Ambridge. If you'd like to join the growing band of Patreon supporters you should head over to patreon.com/dumptydum and sign up. Patreon doesn't tell you to you with emails or other messages, so there's not that to worry about. 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Now don't be shy about joining in and never hesitate to start a new conversation. And of course it's never too late to start posting, hollowing, or emailing, all in the same week. So should we hear what's been going on in the Dumpty Dumpty Facebook group to speak weird to Michelle? Now I'm your dumpty-dummers, Michelle here with this week's roundup of all the goings-on in the Facebook page. It's fair to say we've had a slightly less drama in the arches this week, but the Facebook page has been as active as ever, with debates over butter versus cream cheese, place names that come inside with arches characters, and health supplies around voiding tea if you have cardiac issues. Our own Jacqueline and witherspooning lightened a fair few of us over the danger of caffeinated drinks, after Helen unwittingly offered neat a kuppa. A wouldn't like to stereotype arches listeners, but from the look of the responses, it appears there is a strong correlation between love of the arches and the love of a nice brew. Quite a few of us were surprised to hear that tea was a no-no, Mandy Millen is a lover of a builder's brew and was hoping it led to longevity. And as Richard Openshaw noted, "This is Britain! Tea's the go-to remedy for everything!" Consensus seemed to be that Helen was not aware of Neil's potential heart issues, so her offer was purely out of kindness. Indeed, Neil was the proverbial gift horse in offering to work for Bridge Farm that week, and they certainly can't be endangering potential employees, with all their workforce issues. No frothy chilates for him. Jonah Tichmarsh highlighted that he frequently travels to both Kenton and Stella. Glenn was born near Aldridge, and Chelsea is just across the river for Rosie Johnson. He pointed out there's also plenty of Georgetown's. Talking of geography, it was great to hear that Plurry has finally returned from Norfolk. While she was mentioned last week, it was wonderful to actually hear her this week, and a kind caring manner. But perhaps clarrying love is a bit too kind, especially to the grandi men. Helen Blackburn offered some words of wisdom for the grandi matriarch. Clarry, the correct response was not "I'll see what I can do". It was "do it yourselves, you bunch of male chauvinists". Whilst we are a bit tired of the "name the kid in competition" from last week, there was much enthusiasm for Stevens' "name the plant-based EV cafe challenge". Glint puns and buns were encouraged, and Humpty Dumas wrote the challenge. Glenn Fuller Love suggested that "Power Plant Cafe". Helen Cook, "Let us charge your vaults vegan", Jane Young, "Flower Power", Ruth Pearl, Bread & Battery, and Jillian Corrigan recharge yourself. Not a whiff of Bridge Farm or cow hides anywhere. That's it from me this week. Do please keep the conversation going on the Facebook page. We love hearing your views as they keep us entertained between WMD episodes. We especially enjoy seeing comments from all our newcomers too. It's great to have you on board. Keep warm and well everyone. And remember, the residents of Ambridge aren't real. But the people on the Facebook page definitely are. Terrific! Thank you, Michelle. And thank you so much to everyone on the Dumpty Dum Facebook group. If you'd like to join them, please do. But don't forget to answer all the membership questions so that we know that you're a real person. I had to turn down, I think, three requests to join this week because they weren't answering any of the questions. Same here, same here. And if anybody out there would like to write us a review, please do. There's a link to instructions on how to do this in the show notes. If you can't leave a review or if you already have, the other thing you could do is tell three of your friends about us. Even if they're not currently Archers listeners, who knows? It might be the start of a lifelong obsession. Now to Twitter, where you'll find us @dumptydum. Make sure you include the Archers hashtag using a capital T and A. So the visually impaired who use screen readers can enjoy any Archers-based tweets. As well as that Dumpty Dum, I can occasionally be found at Wenlock House. And we can both be also found chatting about the Archers on Blue Sky, where I am at jberto.b Sky.social. And I am at Wenlock.b Sky.social. So let's find out who has won the Twitter medals this week with Yo. Tweet, tweet, pushcat. Or should that be XX these days? Hello, Stephen, Jacqueline and Dumpty Dum is everywhere. It's Purple Pumpkin here with Tweets and Skeets of the Week. This week on Twitter and Blue Sky, we have quite the posse getting ready to march on Ambridge if anything bad happens to Neil. Loyal Archers academic and Dumpty Dum are Claire Asbury. At Claire J. Asbury was not alone in her view that while Nigel falling off the roof was one type of shock, if they kill Neil off at an early age, she will seriously reconsider her fandom. Brian Holding at Buggy Swires has got the air ambulance on standby just in case. And over on Blue Sky, Bruce of the Bunny at Bruce of the Bunny said Neil is a treasure. Although the comeback from Nick at Check Your Sheds.b Sky.social was. Soon to be buried treasure? We all hope not. A second story attracting great attention was Brad meeting Zainab and giving her his scarf. Winston Texas at Winston Texas was worried about Brad not being able to afford such gestures and needing a scarf. But many others see a romance in the offering. MJD2023 at MDOT21 was even predicting a bizarre love triangle between Zainab, Brad and Ben. Bring it on. And a final theme this week has been we've all been enjoying the extensive mentions of Bunting for Halloween. Will it be stolen by the Ambridge Bunting Thief? We wait to hear. But now over to this week's medals for Blue Sky skates and ex-posts, all of which we continue to consider as Tweets of the Week. In bronze position, it's Ian, at Ruth for Ian. Oh come on Grundy's, use your nodal. The person inside the apple costume must be, and I've spent ages on this, Pip! The silver medalist is Dr. Charlotte Martin at Ambridge View, better known to us as the actor who plays Susan Carter with a rhyme. Georgie Porgy putting him pie, drove a car and told a lie. When the cops came out to play, Georgie Porgy was locked away, and this from someone who's been to prison herself. And the gold medal goes to another poetic offering from Peter Bauker at P. Bauker 7. I think it's Natasha singing. Every tray you bake, every lovely cake, every plate you bake, every vegan steak, I'll be watching you. I've always thought that song from the police sounded like a stalker's charter, and it definitely does now. So on that slightly scary note, that's it for this week. I hope to see you all on #TheArchers on Twitter or Blue Sky next week. Thank you for that Theo, and congratulations to all who were mentioned in this week's roundup. And don't forget we're on Instagram @dumptydum. Please send any TheArchers or podcast relevant photos to the Dumpty Dum email, and we'll publish them with credits to you. So that's dumptydum@mail.com. We will be recording next week at our normal time, which is crack of dawn on our Saturday morning. So please get your calls in by midnight on Friday, UK time as usual. And as we come to the end of this episode, we'd say thanks to all our wonderful contributors and to the team of Dumpty Dum as behind the scenes. We need to say a great big thank you to all of you who are listening to us too. We love making this podcast and sharing our love of the archers around the world. And we must say thank you to Kim Durham and Sonny Ormond for their voices, and pay our respects to the creators of this podcast. 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