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2663: Youth Forum: Women in Aviation
It's a youth forum and this is another edition. Very good evening to all the listeners across the country. My name is Okela the Great and yep, today is Wednesday 6th, March the year is 2024. Thank you so much for choosing the youth forum right here on Radio Miraya. So what we do every time is bringing to you information, programs and activities that really fits youth and nothing more. Tonight in this program we are going to have a very prominent and very important discussion that is tailored not only for other issues but rather an information that you will have a takeaway on. Now as you all know of course that we are in the amount of the women's month which is called the International Women's Day but before then tonight we are going to discuss women innovation, the roles in nation building, the women innovation, what role do they play in nation building. That is the topic we will be looking at but aside from that let me give you a bit of a breakdown. International Women's Day is celebrated globally on March 8th every year to honor the socio-economic cultural and political achievements of women. It also makes a call to action for accelerating gender parity and equality. The Day provides an opportunity to reflect on the progress made by women and stakeholders to call for change and to accelerate acts of courage and determination by ordinary women who have played an extraordinary role in the history of their countries and communities. South Sudan will join the rest of the world to commemorate this significant day with the series of events aimed at highlighting the challenges the women faced in society and addressing the challenges they faced to call for action to change negative attitudes and create effective friendly and conducive environment for all males and female. On Youth Forum tonight we are equally pressing the bottom of women's achievement much harder. In so doing we are looking at women in aviation and their roles in nation building. Let me, ladies and gentlemen and for all the listeners across the country, going to introduce to you the panel members of tonight's discussion on the Youth Forum and I'll begin with Amel Ajongamawut the first female pilot she is a commercial pilot. Amel Ajongamawut is my pleasure and owner to have you on the Youth Forum tonight. All right and that's her, she will be speaking later on and we have Soppia Pia, Diu, Dong Rin, she is the female air traffic controller. So here welcome to the Youth Forum. Thank you. All right before then and all the listeners that are listening to us we will be opening the line for you and as you all know you'll be calling us and you'll be sending SMS's for those of fear talking you'll have the lead way to send an SMS. And of course, don't worry, we'll not hear your voice. But for those who are very strong enough you'll be having the telephone lines as well that I'm going to read in the second hour where you will call, share your opinions, share your questions and share your comments with the guest in the studio. Now for those who are following us on our social media page of course on our Facebook page please send in your comments and in your questions and I'll be reading later on as we move on through the cost of this discussion. And first off I would want us to begin in a very strong note. Ladies, thank you so much for accepting to be here tonight on the Youth Forum. Really, we are very happy to host you. But first of all, Happy International Women's Day to all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And all our smiling. But before we all delve into what you do, what the other person does, do you think it's important that Southland will always join other nations to observe and to celebrate the women's achievement in this country? Yes. Right. Emil? Yeah, it's important for South Sudan also to join the rest of the world to celebrate this day because I wouldn't want to say we are disadvantaged but we have gone through a struggle. We've seen all the injustices we go through, so it's important for us to celebrate this day. Right. And Sofia. I think it's important to celebrate that day. Do you mind coming close up the mic? Thank you. Yeah. I think it's important to celebrate women's day because we have great women in this country that have contributed to the struggle or the liberation of this nation and we should celebrate them and we always continue to celebrate them and continue to celebrate women's day. All right. Okay. Thank you for your responses on why we should be having international women's day being celebrated in this nation. Now, as you are all aware, we are here tonight to talk about aviation and South Sudan has got an international airport, it's a good news to all of us. But then we have all other airstrips in all the states. And so for some view of flies, I really don't. Sometime I go on foot or maybe by road and it takes me like days. But let's talk about the aviation itself. Before we go to aviation, all of you have careers in the aviation field, let's talk individually. Where did you begin and you realize, hey, this is what I want to do when I reach high school or maybe when I go for university, Sophia? Yeah, after completing my high school, I had joined construction, water and sanitation course in Rubept. And after that, I work with Unmiss as an individual contractor for like three years in, yeah. After working with UN for the three years, an ADBAD came up and yes, you know very well that the aviation industry, some courses are very expensive and yeah, an opportunity came up. The ADBAD was there for air traffic controllers, they needed air traffic controllers. So I applied in Roombet and I was just listed, came and do the interview for two weeks in the current cultural center. And from there, yes, I was accepted and when I passed the interview, that's when we're taken for the training who were actually 30 in number. So we're taken to this African school of aviation to do air traffic control for Naima. Yeah, and from there, I, from that time when I was accepted to join the aviation school, aviation became part of me and the passion grew a day and yeah, today, as I speak, aviation is, is my love. Wow. Yes. That is very serious not. Well, as you love aviation, we'll come back to that love of yours. Amel, I want to bring you in. Where did you begin the career of aviation? Okay, mine is different from so far as, it's even more growing up the way we'd be home and don't ask you what do you want to do when you grow up. So we'd be at home with my cousins and like my siblings, people would say, oh, I want to be a doctor or I want to be an engineer or like people would have different professions they would say. But then you know it was because we were young and people would just say different things. So for me, I would always be, I want to be a pilot. And then when I finished my high school, I told my father about it. And he asked me, are you sure? And I said yes. So he gave me a month to think about it. So after Kenya's certificate of secondary education, then we'd stay for like four months before getting your results for that exam. So that would be the complete in November. And then you stay until much of the following year and getting your results. So I stayed home for a month and then I went for an assessment. So I did my training in Kenya School of Flying. It's in Nairobi, Wilson Airport in Kenya. So they, you go for an assessment. This is three days flight with a flight instructor. They just want to see your general handling and your confidence. It's just, they just want to see how you are before they actually admit you to the school. So I did, I did the assessment and then like an interview, like written months, English and geography and physics. So after that, they tell you, you come back with your parent and then they tell you how you performed and then they admit you to the school. So after I told my father, he was happy to support, we went to the school. I did the assessment. I passed and then I was admitted, but he's where the journey started. Okay. So you leave it there from the admission and we'll take it from where you stop. But Sophie, you didn't tell us because this is from your application point of view. You applied and you went for this hair traffic control. But then what did you actually want it to be? What are you apart from being in the hair control? Is that your profession or you have done something different? As I said before, I did plumbing, that is plumbing. So after plumbing, I specialize in air traffic control. So basically, I'm an air traffic controller. Now, yeah, the plumbing pad is there, but I'm not practicing it at the moment. So as soon as you began working as a hair traffic controller, so the plumbing stuff sort of threw it out through the window? Not exactly. The skill can never be lost. The skill is always there. By then I was under unmiss and all the plumbing stuff and everything was within the unmiss come. But after I went for the training for air traffic control, I came back and worked at Juba International Airport. But then to establish myself, I have to buy some tools to at least be on the other side so that if there is anything I have, so it's still there, it is a side hassle at the moment. So if I have tools, then if someone can contract me, the skill is still there, it can never be lost. Any skill that is long is always there. Great. Great. I would tell the listeners that Sophie is not only a hair traffic controller, but she can manage anything to do with fixing the water and water pipe as an issue. Well, that's a story for the next day. Amel, I want to bring you back. Having stood there, you went with your parent and they sort of had to meet at you. How long did it really take you to break this knot of becoming a pilot? After the admission, it took me two and a half years. Yes. So first, it's in the course, it's in three phases. So there's phase one, two and three. Phase one is a private pilot's license. And then phase two is commercial pilot's license and then multi-engine, yes. So the private license is a bit, private license, you need a minimum of 50 hours. And then first, before you start flying, you do theory. So you go to a classroom, normal landing, you do theory. When the theory is done, you expect it to do an exam with the Kenya Civil Aviation. And you have to get, sorry, in that theory, you guys are doing drawing parts of like, you know, after. So it's, the theory is, there's navigation, there's air law, there's human performance. So it's related to almost everything. Because when I talk of human performance, human performance is like biology. If you did like biology in school. So this is just your body in that aircraft. And say, I take alcohol, how is my body going to behave at a certain altitude? If I'm not feeling well and I fly, what is going to happen to my body? So it's my body, but then how my body is going to react to different things. And then there's navigation, of course, navigation, to know your positions, to read a map. Like, you know, the first days you actually have a map. So the instructor tells you, look down, from the map it shows you there's a query and you look down, you should see it, you know. So then there's air law. So we have rules that we need to follow. And then we're all governed by the ICAO. So what is that? ICA is the International Civil Aviation Organization. Okay. Yes. So that is the body that governed civil aviation all over the world. So ICAO? Not ICAO. ICAO? Okay. Yes. And then we have met metrology. So that is... Yes, yes. So if you feel free to jump in in an event, a male probably would be thinking she's in space. Metrology? Yeah. That is, of course, weather. All right. Yeah. And then we have flight planning. And then... CNS. No, flight planning. CNS, okay. Yeah. And then we have these mass and balance, all these things. So when you do this theory, you need to get 70% of up for you to proceed. So if you don't pass your exams, there's no way you're going to come and fly. You get dropped. They are certain, because you know, they give you a certain limit because people go and recede. But then it teaches a point. They tell you, "Now take a break for like one year and then you'll come back." And then continue. I don't know if that has changed, but that was my time. Okay. Yeah. And then when the theory is done, that's when you do the flying bit of it. But then you need minimum of 50 hours for the private license. So first, it's not complicated. It's not complicated. Okay. It's just touching things and this thing just moves and it goes up. So you are telling us, and we want to bring the, feed the listeners, it's across the country. Those who are listening, you say, "You get into the plane, you just touch the things and the plane goes up." This thing just goes up. It's not complicated. Don't let anyone get into the plane, just tell you things, because I may say it. And then the flight goes up. So first, you need to get a fast solo. So you have to get, of course the fast days, they teach you how to take off. You know the one flying is this instructor that is flying, but just to get familiar with the environment and how things are running. So the instructor will do most of the flying and then the next day they will just let go and see what you're doing. But with time you get it and the confidence comes and you come very comfortable doing whatever you're doing. But then you have to get a fast solo where he gets out of that aircraft and tells you, "Okay, no mine. He had said it in case I don't know if I should say it." Okay. Now to all the listeners across the country as we are building our confidence to fly our first flight, probably in a wheel or quadroco anywhere, she will tell us more in detail. But Sophia, I want to bring you in from where you stand. You've been bringing in the CNN, what is CNN or CNN or CNN? CNN. So you, please, you do justice of trying to break down these abbreviations. Some of us wouldn't know, especially those who are listening outside to introduce this program. But from where you sit in reality, how do you control the traffic? Is it like you standing along the highway here and you're like, "Okay, you make your hand like this and this vehicle goes on this side?" Like how do you control the flights and the plane that are coming in? Actually, when you tell somebody that you're an air traffic controller, normally what they think of, the thing of the traffic police, again, they think of those people in the airport, maybe when you land there, those guys that make some, you know, those, those that stand next to you. Yes, those ones. How do you call them? Yes, they're matchless. They're matchless. Those are called matchless. But they've been thinking that you stand in the sun there waiting for the traffic to control. But we don't do that. We actually work behind the scene. Nobody, normally in the country, we are not known. We do the things and actually what we do, we control the traffic. So as you say that they have three faces, we have also three. We have air drum controller. We have a fresh controller. We have area controller. So when you are an air drum controller, you control the traffic within the vicinity of an air drum. An air drum is the same with the airport, the same, the same what. So you work with the traffic within the vicinity of an air drum, those that are landing and those that are taking off. So like the road, you know, you, the road can contain a lot of the vehicles on the road, that doesn't happen on the runway, on the runway, it's only one aircraft that they go. So you need to, you know, you need to, if someone is taking off, the other one has, the whole runway is-- Belong to them. Belong to them. So it's only one aircraft at a time on the runway, and yes, those that are within the socket, within those that you are seeing, that is air drum control. And if you are an approach controller, you deal with those that are coming in, those that are descending, and those that are climbing. So mostly you climb air, the drivers or the traffic police normally, they don't talk with the drivers, but we do talk with the pilots. So we give the pilots instruction, the levels they climb to, and the levels they descend to, you separate them, you give them distance, and you give them the different levels. And those that land, you give them, you sequence them also. The number one, number two, you sequence you actually. So you give them, first of all, we consider safety, then the order, then expedition. You need to be expeditious with those that are landing, and those that are taking off. So you sequence them, you are giving somebody to take off, you're giving somebody landing clearance, and somebody take off clearance. So let's see, for example, a male is in the plane, and she's about to take off. But before she takes off, she's already putting the cue, and she would know what time she'll fly, right? Or literally, do you communicate to a male when she takes off, before informing the cabin crew to settle before she went off? Actually, a male does not have to start off without calling me, so she needs to call me before setting up. So I have to approve, I'll start up clearance, so they don't just start up on their own. So that is the communication, she asks for a setup, I give them a setup, if they take off, and they clear us to even enter the runway. So we all do that. Wow. So a male, literally your boss is Sofia, because if she doesn't give you clearance, there's no way you and your plane, whether it's small or big, you can never take off. Yeah, we have to ask. So let's talk about that bit of trying to put people into the system, for example. But you have other planes that get lost, and maybe they lost a direction, or somehow there's a technical fault. And how do you find out that a certain plane is within South Iran airspace, and it's not identified by you, what really happened if they are not known by the country, for example? So as I said, before air traffic control, we have three passes, they approach aerodrome and area. And within, we also have radar control. Radha is where you see the planes on the screen. But then the one we are doing now is procedural. So procedural control is where you have the whole airspace on your head, you know, weak place, you know where yum view is, which direction, yum view is, which direction, back is. So that that is mathematical, that mathematical is on your mind. So if some an aircraft is in this place, you know, or if the aircraft is lost, you at least you know if there is a river in that place, like an aircraft, an aircraft is lost, and you don't see them on the screen like we do not have radar control at the moment. So you try to ask the pilots where exactly they are, the identification, whether there is a river, or if there is, if the pilot is lost, or if they are actually lost, then you have to try to get that information and you know exactly where that aircraft is, or, and you give them direction. So you have the whole airspace and you also have the procedures on your mind. Wow. All right. The listeners is four to one minute right here on the use forum. My name is Okela the Great. We are joined in the studio by a male, a jungle, a wood and a Sophia. Sophia. Yeah. The two ladies, trust me, the words they are speaking here, I'm kind of like, okay, I'm trying to digest because somewhat really I'm not familiar with. And, oh, okay. All right. Let me just slow down. How do you slow down when you're, is it when you're flying or you're driving? When you're flying. When you're flying. You're not driving. There's no steering. Actually we have the control. Not steering. No. So if you want to take it off, like do you take, do you do like gear one, gear two? No. So what gears do you people have? I mean, when you're taking off, you put the power, like full power. And then you let's go of the brakes on the runway until you get to your speeds and then you pull and then the plane will go up. Yeah. Yes. To tell us about your experience of flying a plane, how many of you flew so far and which location did you ever flew? I did my training in Kenya. So the Kenyan airspace is very familiar. And then here in South Sudan I've gone to two states. Which states? I've been to, I've been to jungler's feet. Okay. That's Bohr. Yeah. Bohr. Yes. You said you have throughout the whole country? Okay. Victoria. Okay. Western, Central and Eastern. Western, Central and Eastern. Northern Bargazal. That's okay. And then some places in Warab. In Kojok, in some areas, okay. So generally looking at the geographic of the country, what is your experience? Like, when you land, for example, and are supposed to landing on the tarmac, or you're landing on just Muram? Yeah. Is it the same? Does the plane goes on a little bit the same, or? It's the same. But you see, like most of the airstrips here, like some it finds a very, the runway is very small. So you just land and you have to use a very short distance for you to stop. You know, sometimes you have a very big runway, you can't even land in the middle and still stop. But then these ones, you have to be very keen on that also. And then some places you find it has rained and it's muddy and you get stuck. Yeah. Have you ever got stuck? No. But then some of my colleagues, like some people got stuck, maybe it rained, and maybe you've never been there. And you don't know about the area and the terrain, and then you go there and you get stuck. And then you have to be rescued, they have to come, push you, you see pictures. So when, when, when, when it's got stuck literally, we called entire village, and like, let's push our cars, our land cruisers. That's a very, a very nice experience, 44 minutes, first, first, the hour. This is youth forum where the conversation about youth is taking place. And tonight we are talking about women in aviation, their contribution to nation building. And I'm joined, of course, by Sophia Piaath and Amel Zhongong. You two are just inspirational to this nation, really. I mean, like every time we're talking about the male pilot, we're talking about the male that are controlling the airspace and not supposed to female and all kind of stuff. But you made it to that level. You must be proud of yourself. Are you not? I'm very proud. Like, what is the level of your fruitness? Level. Alright, let's, let's, let's talk about the narrative of a female in the context of South Sudan. And most part, you see, really, people would say that it's not good to allow your daughter to go to school, that she's supposed to be in the kitchen, she's supposed to be doing a lot of hours, cars and stuff. And let the boy child go to school and because he will come and do this and do that tomorrow. But here you are today. You have gone to school and this is, look at the level you are, like flying in the spaces of this country, controlling every airplane that comes in with the country, Sophie. And then a male is just there in our plane and flying like the biggest bird we use according to why young. But you are there today. What do you think should be said to the parent? What do you think you should tell the parent about the girl child, given that this is the month of International Women's Day, in a women's month rather, a male and then Sophia, you come in? Okay. First of all, there is this saying that says when you educate a woman, you educate the whole community or nation, but when you educate a boy child, you get an individual. Most parents, especially in our communities, would not let some of their children to decide on the career parts they want to take. You'd find maybe there's a parent who wants their children maybe to become doctors or maybe like engineers or whatever career parts they want their children to take. Sometimes I feel like maybe this parent wanted to become a doctor, but then maybe they couldn't do it, but they want to see it through their children. But maybe that's not my passion. I might not even do well in that. I might go to school and it becomes crazy for me and it becomes difficult. You know, doing something that you like and doing something that you don't like, these are two different things. I'm not going to have to drive to do it. I'll go to class. Do I really have to go to class really, because at the end of the day, I don't want to do this. I've opened so many times, you'd find people in my class, we had somebody who didn't want to fly. This was their parents' idea. So it should be like, I don't want to go to class because I'm tired. I don't feel like, I don't feel like reading. But you reached a point, she dropped out. All this money you've used for nothing, you know. Children should really support children, should be there to nature, yeah. Because at the end of the day, if I succeed, you walk out here proud, you know, because you invested in this child, doesn't have to be only a male child, can also be a child, you know. I don't see a difference. You have a girl child or a boy child, it's all the same identity, it's your child. There's nothing that you can do about that. So parents should really support children in whatever career paths they want to take. Yeah. Great. Great. Sofia, we need to bring your brain into this discussion. So colleague Amel has shed more light on our own perspective on how she looked at it. But we are talking about a girl child empowerment, women empowerment, so to speak. And you being a woman tonight, here on the youth forum, what really would be your message to parent outside there that only sees boy child as an asset, as a very important asset for the society. As opposed to the girl child. To parent outside there, I want to let you and them know that I want them to look at some other women that have really made it in life. Women who have not wasted the opportunity that they have given them, to at least learn from that and at least take their children to school or empower their women or their children, their girls, so that they take, you know, to take their whatever career that they like. And again, I always believe that everything is always two-way communication or two-way traffic. As we are here for aviation today, it's two-way traffic. So for the parent outside there, at least to give their children that freedom or that privilege of taking up education path and also for the girls out there to take the opportunity that have been given to them seriously, because, you know, some of our parents, some time when we waste the opportunity that is given to us, this is where things go wrong. But let it be two-way to empower their girls and also for the girls to take it seriously. So that is two-way, two-way things, it's not only one way. If you are given an opportunity, use it nicely, don't waste it. Yeah. Well, it is quite powerful. But I want us now to look at some of the challenges that you face as a female in the air traffic control, for example, or as a female pilot, Emil, for your case. Have you ever found resistance, like men, for example, would look at you as like, "What do you know? Why would you be telling me this and stuff?" Do you find this resistant that people do not want to accommodate you in the society? Despite your pilot, you have the knowledge and skills. Have you ever, whether in your, within the society, or where you grew, or even here in the country? Not really, I've not really gone through it, but I think there are some people who also go through this discrimination, considering the fact that this is a male-dominated career. There are so many men out here. Myself, when I did my commercial license, I was the only girl with 17 guys in my class. And for me, when I was in school, it's not like I would be bullied or anything. People were very accommodating, you know? And then in the industry, not really, this is a day we had a flight from here to Aurora. And then when we landed, they stared to you, like, they really look at you, especially when a watch take off, or like, we're starting up the engines, people stare like this. They really stare a lot, like, they even start whispering, like, you see, mamas from the back. So when we landed at Aurora, this lady just, it was a lady. She came to our stomach, she's like, "Oh, oh my God, can I have a picture with you? I've never been flown by a woman." That's what she said. She just looked at me and she was, like, shocked, you know? But discrimination is there, but personally, I've not gone through it. But I feel like there are women that go through it. There was a lady, she had a flight and she was supposed to, they were supposed to take off from Wilson Airport. So the passengers came, and then, plus, she was very short. So they were like, "Is she done playing us? This child? We're not going to enter that plane." And those people did enter, they refused. So, you know, there are some people who can't really understand, you know? But you'd find, you know, we're even better than this man, they're saying, "Yeah, we're better. We can fly." Absolutely. I have confidence, I'll get into your plane. Yeah, we are better. So, yeah, discrimination is there. So for me, I've not, I wouldn't say I've experienced something like that, but there's some people, I'm sure, they are going through it. Wow. And Sofia, let's come to your air traffic department. I mean, are you the only female there, or are there so many others? You know, too. So I was actually among the guys, like you said, I was a tattoo, and I was the only one among the 29, so I made the group to be tattoo. That's beautiful. So the challenges in air traffic control, as I said before, we walk behind the scene, nobody knows what we do. So even people out there, if you say to an air traffic controller, they wouldn't mind, and they wouldn't even say anything. But then what happens, we have our own challenges. I mean, as a lady, you find, like, you know, because you're controlling thousands of lives in an airplane, and when the pilot comes in and they hear your voice, some of the pilots on the air, your voice, your air lady, they feel like, you know, am I safe in this person in the sun? You know, this is what happened. Like, it's their pilot. Sometimes they don't feel confident, confident that they are being controlled, or the clearance that are being given to them by a lady, or because now in our situation in Cuba here, you find, like, everyone, these guys, the air, guys, these guys' voices every time. And then when you come in, someone will be like, this lady is the one that is giving clearance, or this is what they think. They feel like this is not, this clearance that they have been given, they are not safe, and there is everyone flying there. They feel like they are not being guided, well, some of them, yes. So that's what happens. But otherwise, from other people out there, nobody knows, and maybe even as I'm talking and nobody knows what I do, and it's nothing, so, yeah. Okay. Well, that's it for now, and, of course, it's 55 minutes past eight o'clock. My name is Okele de Gritt, and you have just heard from Sofia Piaad, due, and, of course, from Amel at Jong Amel, all the two female are experts in aviation. And they are here, right in the heart of the country. They are flying big birds, like they're flying these big birds, and, of course, Sofia is that one that you cannot see, like she's hiding. Yes, I'm flying. And she takes you from... She's actually flying with others as well. He's flying on ground, yes. He's flying up, and I'm flying on ground. All right, so that's it, and we'll be taking a break for now. When we come back, after this break, trust me, you're going to have your telephone numbers. The telephone numbers are here, and you'll be calling us in the studio, ask the question you have wanted to ask. Do you want your daughter to become hair, traffic control, or do you want your daughter to become a pilot, right here, in this country? Then you have some of the answers that will be given to you by my abled, experienced, angry guests, female guests, so to speak, right here, on the youth forum. We're taking a break, and we'll come back more. We'll follow. Stay tuned. Youth Forum. Youth Forum. It is a youth forum, and it's still right here on Radio Miraya. My name is Okele de Gritt. I come back in a very special way to those who have been with us, but if you just joined, we are talking about women in aviation, and they are contributing to nation-building. What do they do within the aviation sector that contribute to the nation-building, to our country-building, that is the very key question that we were discussing earlier on in the program. But of course, if you just joined, don't mind, don't be really worried because you never really missed a lot because the guests in the studio, they are here, and they'll be picking some of your questions later on. The questions you will ask, the comment that you'll be given, of course, they'll have reactions toward that. Are you a boy child or a girl child that's very passionate about being a pilot, or you want to be an air controller, here, at the Juba International Airport, then worry not, because we have got youth, female youth, that in the studio, and they, we are talking aviation 101. And of course, to introduce to you is Sofia Pia, the female air traffic controller at Juba International Airport. Welcome to the second hour of Sofia. Thank you. And we have Amelle Ajongamout, she is the commercial pilot, and she has been flying. You'll be seeing her moving, she, of course, is just in that plane, she's in that plane. Any plane that passed through the air space of this country, and she's one flying, it's welcome back to the second hour, Amelle. Thank you. All right. And all the listeners across the country, as I promise, and I take through to my promises, now, right now you're going to take your telephone, and please do us justice by dialing the following numbers that I'm going to read out to you, or should I say, spell it out. Now, please feel free to call on 0-9-29-68-6297. But if you want to send us an SMS, do it on 0-9-12-177141. That is an MTN SMS line, but, of course, I mean, Zane SMS line, but we have Zane call line. For ladies, it's 0-9-12-062950, and for men, you can call on 0-9-12-062079, and with me right here, you'll be able to be live, and the guest is in the studio, they'll be able to react to your questions and comment. Please do that as soon and possible. Now we're going to also read some of the messages that have been sent to us on social media, our Facebook page, the comments, and if there are questions, of course, I will do that more equally. But for now, let's get to hear from the first caller of tonight. Elore de Mera, all right, sorry for that, maybe you can call back again on the numbers that I had read all your own, Elore de Mera, good evening to you, sir. Good evening, how are you? I'm very good. What's the name and where you're coming from? Yeah. Galog Macui. Galog Macui, I see you, you're still in Juba. You're still in Juba? Yeah, Juba. I'm not going anywhere, yeah? So, you have now abandoned a cobble. I want to go to Juba, I need to have cobble when this so-called dollar that goes down. Goes down. All right, Galog Macui, let's leave dollar for now. In peace, we are talking about the female aviators that are controlling our international airport. They're here with me. What is the information to them? What's your question? Well, we have been following in the beginning of the Pazawa and I would like to welcome my boss, I call them boss, because they have gone so far. Okay, I have come to them in the studio and I wish them happy with international movement in advance. So, when I come to the phone, I would like to ask two questions. Okay. The first one goes to Pia, someone's also there, is that right? Yes. Yeah. So, now that you've been working there for a long, what can you be very passionate about? Galog, your voice is catching a little bit, wondering if the network is not that good for you. Okay. Yeah. Can you hear me now? Yes. Can you learn clear? Go ahead. Yeah. I want to ask that if she's interesting enough to encourage all the upcoming people to join, essential ladies to join that or not. Okay. The second one goes to Amal. Is that working as a controller? No, she's a pilot. So, piloting is different. Okay. A pilot. Yeah. Great. Two questions. I hope you'll hear them. Okay. Your question, Galog, before you leave, yes, Amal sees a female pilot. You're asking that piloting and the hair controlling is a different thing or the same? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. Appreciate. Hello. Hello, everybody. Good evening. Yes. Call me in the parapet, thank you again for my call, and I would like to come and give the two ladies in the, in the studio for the great job that I've done. We're really, really very proud of them, precision and well. And I should, as I mentioned, they're, you need to follow a question. I am myself. I don't mean to do this. I try to do embossing, going to, I mean, I, I have to go there and try. So, the sea of flying, of course, I feel it. That means that I went for the victims, but my colleagues have them to be a part of two. So, I would like that one to tell them that, let them prepare the young ladies to make sure that they also become like them. I will just, if not, I, very different, become pilot to the, at least, also, then, and then mapples. Okay. Congratulations to them. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Well, for some reason, a male has become a well, more brook, congratulations. You have a brand new name, but yeah, also does it, Dr. Richard is actually encouraging and asking the entire nation that if the numbers of female pilots would really increase, at least, if not five, ten would do, and they would raise our maps up. That's a very good one. Let me pick two or three, and then you, you guys will respond to the questions that were asked on your own. Elodidimirah. Sorry for that, maybe you have to climb a tree, I hear it has rained tonight. Elodidimirah. Hello? Hello. Yes. Good evening. Yes? Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Yes. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Good evening. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Thank you, Dr. Richard. Thank you, Dr. Richard. (speaking in foreign language) - Nah, (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) All right, that is Jamie Simbia calling from Tony and Jamie's has, he has two questions and in a very simple Arabic that he was talking, I would be able to translate, is that Jamie Simbia said that first of all is very happy and it's very proud of you that he really wished that it would not only be two of you, but many of you would come up in this country and that would really be very great and would push this nation up. But he has two questions. Number one is how can you stand with disabled youth in South Sudan? They are youth who are disabled, but they would want then to maybe want to pursue this kind of a career, but because of their disability, they look at them as people that would not go anywhere, regardless. So what is the information or what can you say about that, two of you? And the other one is what are your messages on forced marriages, girls that are forced to be married when they are still young, while they are not completed. They have not even went to pursue their dream or they have not reached their dream. But just in the middle, they gave them out by force and it's out of their own will. So there are three questions because the first question that came from Galawak Makwe, who called Ali Aon here in Juba, is to Sophia. Can you, what message or can you encourage other people that are also, who also wanted to come to the same profession that we are in as an air controller? So these are three questions and I think the floor will be for you now, then we'll go back again to the call us and as well, I will be reading a lot of questions that I hear, a lot of messages coming in. But then let's tackle that, these three questions. So any of you can begin, really. It's no specific order. You're looking at your eyes. Okay, Sophia, you begin with Galawak Makwe talking of what message of encouragement do you want to give to those who are willing rather to become air controller? - Okay, for the ladies out there who want to, or anyone who want to be an air traffic controller. Air traffic control is a bit different from piloting, piloting, you can do it on your own if you have money, but for air traffic control, it's from the civil aviation, if they need your recruitment, it is a group recruitment, you don't go alone, you go as a group for the training, they actually, the government that takes you for the training and fast, before the training, you have, before the training, you have the test, the aptitude test that I said before, and from there, you go for the training. So, it's not very hard if there is a recruitment that is upcoming recruitment, it is out there, so I would encourage those ladies out there if there is any recruitment, if they need myself, their ladies who are there, their recruitment, if their recruitment is out, or if the addivat that needs air traffic controllers from the civil aviation, is there, then you have to apply for it, then if you have that passion, you really want it, then there is nothing that can prevent you from getting it, yes. - Okay, and this question, Amel, you want to come in on the, do you start with the disabled youth in South Sudan that are really willing to do this kind of thing, and the second question is, what is your message to the girls that are married off, early age, before they even go and do what they want to do? That question will also come to Piato later on, but right now Amel, take it over. - The question on disability, first, what kind of disability are we talking about? And then second, before we go for the training, you have to go for a medical check, a serious one, like a serious medical check which you do every year, if you're 40 and below, everyone here, you go back to the aviation medical examiner, it's not a normal doctor, this is different. - A robot doctor. - No, he's, they're called aviation medical doctors. - Okay. - Yes, so they take you through, they do the test and everything, and then they're the ones to approve, if you're medical, you fit to fly, and then your document goes back to the civil aviation. Yes, so if I'm renewing my license, I have to come with this medical certificate. So the certain things may be that you have, and the rights there, if you fail to drive it, failed is not fit to fly, yeah. So I think the question of disability would want to know what kind of disability we're talking about, yes, because there are certain small things that would make you fail this test. Like if there are these people who are short-sighted, they have to wear specs, they tell you, they write the medical outfit, but the limitation is your eyesight. - My eyesight. - Yes, so there are things that can really take your medical away from you, yeah. - Okay, and then on the second question, over. - Second of mind, so I've seen about this child manager I would say at least we've made a step ahead. It's not like before. I also, there's this organization I came across. It's called, I just saw it on, I came across it on the internet about this ending of child marriages in South Sudan. And when you take this young girl to get married at this age, I feel like you've ended this child's career completely, because the moment they start starting a family at this young age, it's very hard to divert and come to do other things. But I've seen so many of these organizations that partner together to end this, especially in our states. I've seen in Juba, it's not rampant, but then in these other states you could see, like children being given out for marriage, and you find some people that doing it for personal gain, because if I give out my child, maybe I'll get this in return. - Okay, all right. So Sophia, what do you have any say on the early marriages, with child marriages? - For child marriages, I put the parents at least, you know, let them leave their children at least to pursue their areas or their dreams, so that, you know, as you say, that if you are at young age, and if you are destroyed at young age, you know, the thinking capacity and even, you know, thinking of tomorrow or become limited, because at that young age, then you go home and you find a lot of hardship. Then, you know, if there's a lot of hardship, then the thinking capacity or the way you think there is nothing that can get you ahead. But anyway, there are other girls that have made it, those that have been married at young age, and they still have that passion. They make it, but then when you are very young, and if you are very young, and they have married to you, when you are at that young age, the thinking capacity to reduce. - That's right. - And for the other question, it's the same thing. For us, for them, it's 20 years, but for us, it's two years. When you are below 40 years, then after 40, you do every year, medical check. So it's actually, it's not everyone that determine it, but it's from their doctor. Like for us, you look out at the window and see what you see, and the traffic, you console what you see. Then the other one, which is mentally, you also, for the year, the year in, also, you need to listen out, because there is communication, too, a communication between the pilots and the air traffic controllers. So if you are not listening out, clearly, clearly, then you are not good to go. - Right. Okay. So that's it. For now, let me read some of the SMSes that are coming on our Facebook page. But of course, you have a tag dude who say to hope they will give greater species to their fellow women and the nation at large. It's referring to two of you. And then you have Moses Awar. Moses Awar said, "I have great respect for both ladies. I wish them deeply inspiration." - Okay. - And then you have Galvanic Den Cor, who said, "If all women in South Sudan are like this, too, the country would have been moved forward." And of course, the message is keep on going, and you have Alfonso Juani. Alfonso Juani said congratulations to both of them. And you have Sam Maket Abram. Sam Maket Abram said, "Keep the control burning. Nalimu, proud of you, Madia." And that is in, I believe, in Jinkah language. And then you have Khaul Garang Dang said, "I wouldn't hesitate to stay tuned." And I think Khaul is actually right now tuned to this program. And then you have Andrea Carmillo Umom, who said, "Quite amazing to have talent women like them." And the like of Amel Ajongamawut and Khaulic "All women are encouraged to do the best they can." And then you have Monjok, who said, "Awesome." And then Pedro said, "All the best." And the message is keep on going. All right, so it started one minute past nine o'clock. My name is Okela the Great. And the guest we are having in the studio is Amel Ajongamawut and Sofia Piatdio, the two are from the South Sudan aviation. We are doing quite a lot of amazing job right here in this country, marking the international women's day. The two female and two youth young female actually are setting the bar in this country. And they're leading by example. So if you're listening to us and you wanted to call in and maybe send in an SMS or maybe you want to ask question, it is your time to do now. Elle de de Maria. Okela the Great. Good evening. 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Even if you are out there that you have achieved all the good ones in a while. Even if you don't give anything to the teacher, at least you maintain that relationship and say thank you. Thank you. It is a very great thing, better than anything in this world. To be grateful, you always have more blessings on the line. So it's always good to say thank you and it's always good to be grateful. To the teachers out there, we are always grateful. Even if you don't show it, I believe everyone is grateful to those that have achieved. They always believe even if they don't say it. But it's good to tell somebody that thank you. Alright, let me read SMS that's really quite a good number of them. I will be picking just junk in between. One is coming from Angelina Adele from Brumbag. And Angelina said good evening to you, my lovely beautiful sisters in the studio. Big up to you, my girls. Happy International Women's Day in advance next tomorrow. Continue with that spirit. May God bless you all. Thank you. My question is, what advice do you give to young girls who are loitering, moving around anyhow. Even though their families or parents try to what level of support and they don't understand, don't understand that parent should stand up for them. So it's what advice, right? It's what advice from Angelina Adele. Thank you Angelina Adele for that message. And then another one is saying thank both the female, the air control and the pilot. That is really a very good job, allow women to do their job. If that is done, then we will not be having any problems. So thank you for making us proud. Alright, that one is coming from, that one is coming from Chine Aleo. Okay, and reading on, moving on. This is from Joseph Ghatquat from Bentew. That is a good topic, my brother Peter O'Kello. I do appreciate you and all my sisters, of course, Amal and Sofia. Thank you for that talent, God bless you, my sisters. I appreciate you all for what you're doing. Alright, moving on, you have David. Okay, it's saying good evening, okay, the great and the guests in the studio. What I know is that most people fear being pilot is because they think that one may simply lost their life in a hair crop accident. What advice would you give such people, especially ladies? Especially ladies who think that this is a dangerous job. It's Francis, from, Francis John from Wow. Your heart is questioned, Amal. And of course, let me just read one last and then I give you the chance because that's really, really, very many. Call me Samuel Dengmajok from, from, from northern back as I'll state. I really appreciate the two guests in the studio. My question would go to Amal. What will you tell the students who may, who might have, who might have those dreams? And probably they could not manage to pursue them due to economic crisis in South London. Alright, we'll give you the, the floor. First of all, let me pick from Adel. Adel, thank you. To, to ladies, I, like before I say, it is always two-way traffic and it's always, it's always good to win the trust of our parents. I said before, if you are given an opportunity, use it in a right way. Because our parents actually always need the best for us and if the best has been given to you, it's always also to work hard on that best that I've been, been given to you. So, for the ladies out there, if you are given that opportunity, use it correctly to pursue your careers, your dreams, and you will go perfect. Because our parents have blessings, they actually know why they say don't do this and don't do that, that, yes. So, win the trust and you will go perfect. Alright, Amal, on the same, or on the same question? There have been varieties of questions, you can't pick from any. Okay, about aviation being expensive. First of all, this, I'm not, let me just talk about the flying bit of it. Okay. The flying bit of it is financial training, like it's crazy. And it's not easy to find people that give out scholarships because they know the weight of it, because it's very expensive. Especially having to go through the whole, all the three phases, it's draining. But then, there's a program, I think South Sudan has those programs where they take people out for training. So, they should try and also always be, today, to what is going on. They are able to get an opportunity, because I don't think you'd get somebody who would be able to sponsor you through it, because it's very expensive. But then if you, if they keep, like Sofia, go to the advert, and then she applied, that is the same way, maybe. The other person can be lucky also, to get a sport also. So, they should just try and be checking, like what's so sad, dude. Okay. At least you're able to, you can get an opportunity also, to pursue the career. One person is saying, yeah, that one thing that I like most is that the air traffic controller and the pilots, they're just good, they're doing their better job. But the worst thing that I don't like is that when you marry them, you don't have time. They'll all be either on the plane or controlling the hair in the airport. All right. There's one funny comment coming in here from one of the gentlemen, sending in the messages. And, of course, it's 46 minutes right here, and we are talking aviation, women in aviation, and they are contributing to nation building. Let's come into your respective contribution in nation building. Do you feel, whatever you're doing, somehow is contributing to the building of this country, Sofia? And then Emil comes in. Yes. Even sitting down here is a nation building. Yeah. I believe that listening out there, I believe I'm building the nation just by sacrificing myself at this time of the night to be in the city. I believe that is a contribution. And I believe also, for some ladies out there that look unto me as their role model, this is, I'm contributing to the nation building. Also, I believe, like, if I take maybe other, you know, go ahead with education, yes, others will believe that if I can do it, then what about them? So, if I'm an air traffic controller, then what about them? They can do it also. So, I believe, I am contributing to the nation building of this country. Okay. Thank you. So, Emil, okay, mine would be a bit different from Sofia because there's a lot of gender equality happening in the world. And we don't get these pieces, you know, in all aspects, you know, in leadership, in everything, we don't get spaces. So, people have this notion that women, home builders, they stay at home, bring the family together, and all these things. That is what they say is our job. But in real sense, yeah, it's true, this is, it's true, it's many women bring, put families together, bring families together. Okay. But we, if we're given more spaces, we are able to really contribute to nation building. If we're given more spaces to leadership, normally most countries you see that women are given 30%, women are given 70, why not 50/50, you know. So, this way we're able to contribute more to the society, not only in leadership, but in other aspects. Even in offices, when they're employing people, you'd find they want 20 men and two women, why not 10/10, you know. Yeah, so I feel like in, if they create more spaces for us, we are able to give results. They're able to deliver, all right. So, right now we are winding up, it's actually Fortnite Minute, past nine o'clock, and before we knew it would be out of here. And given that we are in the month of women's month, and before we leave this studio, we want to give you a chance, maybe just a few seconds or so, to be able to tell any message, special message with these regards that you want to play, or you want to give outside there before you leave the studio. If you have that chance, and you have something to say, Sofia, what would that be as your last message? So, my ladies out there, just believe in yourself, because you can do it. There is nothing that is hard in this world, and that has been instilled by my mom, Yarmacoi. She has always told us the value of resilience and determination. So, if you are determined, there is nothing that can defeat you, so always be confident and know that you will get it. Thank you. Wow, that's really, really powerful, Grinch. And Amel? For me, I would say, for women and anyone out there here, you should always believe in yourself. And if you set your mind to do something, you can always achieve it. And we are looking forward to this where we wake up, and this is a better place for us as women. And, you know, in time, we are going to do great things. Yes. Thank you. She's also a Loretta product. So, in time to come, women will do great things. That is what, from Mary White, the founder of the pantress of Loretta schools in the world. So, we always believe that in time to come, women will do great things. Definitely do great things. And it's neat, women will do great things in South Sudan. That is the pattern shot coming from the ladies. And you have had from Sofia Piat, do you thank you so much for being with us? And Amel, John Mamawut, thank you to for being with the Youth Forum tonight. I am really, very grateful in the Youth Forum. It's really intended to have you all right here on the Youth Forum. And already, Mary, I have to be specific. And to all the listeners across the country, thank you so much. I can't really afford to say thank you because it's just less word. But please, keep it ready, Marya, keep it Youth Forum together. We shall bring a change. To all the youth across the country, please be safe, be a youth for youth, and don't be a useless youth. Because with that, you'll do nothing. Be strong, be great, work hard, you're able to live. As for me to you, Amel, the great, have yourself a very lovely night.