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W2W 1375 - Behind the Scenes of our Great Dark Beyond Reveal!

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I chat about the inspiration behind our Great Dark Beyond reveal and what it took to put it all together.

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G'day friends it's Blister Guy and for Tuesday the 22nd of October is episode 1375 of Walk to a Comical Hearthstone podcast. The behind the scenes of our Great Dark Beyond Reveal I'm glad I got all that right. I posted a picture and discord of the script with the offending Great Dark below and it resulted in the editing. Anyway yes there were a reveal went live. I'm very happy with the reception obviously. Generally quite happy with how it turned out. There are several things that I'm really happy about how it turned out. But obviously there are some cracks around the scenes which too fair is kind of expected with our reveals like it's you know it's meant to have their handmade look. But I think I don't know. Some part of me is like I want the cracks to be where I want them to be not where I didn't intend them to be. Where the cracks are that I didn't intend them to be like that feels silly but you know people expect it to feel a little bit stuck together with sticky tape. That's the whole appeal. So it went well. It was good. I was gently trolling people ahead of time in the coin-conceived discord. I was telling people yeah no what is it? Someone said like you know blister girl that's people got mongers right there. She really is the best part. Blizzard can't afford her and I was like well I can't even afford her and they're like what? So yeah she's not even in this one. I'm not in this one either. What? Like just a couple of aliens because as you see now just on that as well I've talked before about how we need to slowly if not, maybe not quickly, but slowly transition to the idea that mongers is not on camera as much as she was before. I want her to be involved a lot because she wants to be involved. She's obviously very good for voice over and things but the more that she ages into a teenager and then a young woman like the more that the internet, some parts of the internet are not what you would like and we need to be careful of that. So this time you do kind of see our faces, you see part of our faces but it is limited and we get through the whole video and people loved it without us being as much on camera as we were and I think that at the bottom line is a bit of success. So anyway where do we start with this? I think we start with Red Dwarf. Red Dwarf is a UK comedy TV show from I think it started in the 80s and it's still technically going there. It's a sci-fi comedy thing set. It's set way in the future. It starts a little bit in the future. There's a low-associary economic UK chap called Dave Lister and he's working on a Jupiter core mining company Spaceship and he's the likable rogue, likes his beer and stuff like that. Anyway, he smuggles a cat on board because he's got this plan to retire and buy Fiji because Fiji is half under water at this point. So it's cheap and have a farm. This is planned and he gets a cat and the cat's going to live there but of course the people on the ship discover there's a cat and they're like, you can't bring a cat on board, that's a quarantine risk, give us the cat. And he's like, what are you going to do with it? We can't tell you that. I'm not going to give you the cat. So he releases the cat into the air vents and then as punishment he goes into Stasis for the rest of the journey to earn no money. And Stasis, you know, just like frozen in time. There's another character there who Lister works for called Rimmer, Arnold Rimmer, who's his superior officer. Very much a certain character who is like by the books and wishes to be bigger and important but it just doesn't. And Rimmer accidentally fails to seal the drive plate causing a radiation leak throughout the entire ship which kills everyone except Lister who's in Stasis. And the ship's computer, Holi, short for hologram I think, decides to leave Lister in Stasis until such time as the radiation has cleared and it's safe to come out which happens to be many many many millions of years later. So the story starts off basically within the first episode establishing the Lister is now the last human alive because everyone else has long since died. The cat apparently had babies and those babies grew and evolved watching Fred Flintstone videos to a humanoid cat so he's the other cat. And because the ship's computer can support one holographic life form and Holi, the computer, thinks that Rimmer was Lister's best friend. He resurrects Rimmer, the least best friend, is a hologram to live with him. And at some point they pick up an android called Kriton and follow around. So the four of them are basically wandering around deep space way in the future effectively trying to get back to Earth even though they all know that there's not going to be anything to get back to. So it's fun, it's funny, I really enjoy it. Like if I was to say the first three seasons aren't as good. The first two seasons aren't as good. They're good but they look very eighties. The third season is where it really got good and I think that's where I first started watching it when I was a teenager. And I know seasons three through six and I think they've got like eleven now or something. Three through six were particularly peak comedy for informing who I am and what I like right. And I distinctly remember being a teenager with some friends. We got a VHS copy of season six because we're talking about the British TV show here. Six episodes in a season, that's it. We got season six and we went around to a friend's house, pulled the curtains and just binged through all six episodes. I remember laughing so hard outside so that kind of thing. Amazing stuff. Anyway, I'm about to get to the point of why this is relevant to our reveal. In one episode they come across some replicants, you know, the sort of bad guy android sort of things who hate humans and want to kill them. And they're like, "Oh gosh, what are we going to do?" And Lister's got an idea. Quick, quick, kriton cat, come with me. And they go out the back. They grab a couple of Kriton's eyeballs because Kriton's an android, remember. And they stick them to their chins and then they appear on the camera upside down. So it's just their chin with the eyeball. And they are the Vindiluvians and the, some years ago you haven't got humans on board. Have you was like, "No, we hate humans." And they do that thing with it. You know, stick the tongue out which you can see in the reveal I did at one point. Like the whole thing we're doing is a complete homage to the Vindiluvians from Red Dwarf. I don't want to say ripping it off, but it is basically homage ripping it off. Now the reason we came up with this was when we were doing the Perils in Paradise reveal and Mongoose and I were doing the animation bits at the end of it because I had already shown her the Vindiluvians from Red Dwarf because, you know, she's at that age where I'm trying to share some of the comedy I've enjoyed with her so she can better understand when my dad jokes come from and all that stuff. And she has watched a couple episodes of Red Dwarf. She's not truly into it, but she has enjoyed it and understands it. Anyway, so she grabs a googly eye while we're doing the Perils in Paradise animation, sticks it on the chin. It's like, "Hey, Daddy, we could do this thing." Like from Red Dwarf and I was like, "Oh, you are right. We could definitely do that thing." And I was like, "That may even be the idea for the next reveal. Lock it in." Because at that point, because of the original this year of whatever teases, we had seen it as one of the space things. And I'm like, "I bet we can make this work." So for the last four months, I've been like, "Okay, we're doing the Vindiluvians. I don't know how it's going to come together. I don't know what we're doing, but we know we're doing that." Because I also like the idea that if it's just our chins with googly eyeballs on them, like, you know, that is slowly transitioning towards us being an on-camera. So that's how we got to where we are. And that's how Mongoose had a very big impact on what we were doing in this video. And there are definitely other things that she came up with as well. Like when we're running away from Ulu and you see Ulu coming across the screen, that was definitely her idea. Because we're just doing the runaway season. You could also have it being chased by Ulu. I was like, "Yep, sure, let's do that." You know, that kind of stuff. She painted her nails black with little gold specks on them to make it look like space. The problem is it doesn't really look like that very well on the camera, but her intent was there. Like, she's fully on board. Like other little things, cracks run, there are little noises every now and again. That's because Gert muscled her way into the room where we were filming and we're like, "Let's put it up with it." Little sit there, she's like, "It's been quite. This is good. We can do this film. She's been quite. This is amazing." And then she just like, pick up a little pencil case and unzip it loudly in the bay. Record again. So you can definitely tell we had to take many takes and some of the takes don't stitch together as well as they could. But anyway, that's the concept. Fast forward to when hat goes, "All right, these are the cards you're going to do." And surprisingly there was only three cards, which I don't want to say surprisingly because the earlier reveals were only one card, right? I do wonder if he and the team had realized that when you give someone like five cards, it's a lot to reveal and you don't really get to spend much time on it. But I don't mind. Like, it's just one card. I'm pretty sure we can make a reveal out of one card and it's still going to be hopefully entertaining, I guess. So he gave me the cards and he's like, "Okay, so Ulu, I think you can kind of do a Sing Song voice thing with this." I was like, "I have no idea how, but I'll see what I can do." And so hopefully in a sense, he was joking, he said, "You can make Ulu go viral." And I was like, "I don't think so. My wife was very skeptical. I even told her this. She goes, "Have you met the reef? Are you going to make Ulu go viral?" I don't think it's a brief. I don't think that's what we can do. But I do think that the Ulu and two big did kind of work like that and everyone sort of, I mean, I've also done my best. Like, just because it's fun. Once we figured out that was the hook, it was fun to do that. And of course, once everyone started posting the cards from the reel, I just responded them all with two big and things like that. Even this morning, Gert, when she should have been eating a breakfast, was running around holding the little alien spaceship and yelling, "Ulu too big!" It's like, it's kind of is working. And many people have actually responded that their kids loved it and their kids are running around yelling too big. And I'm like, "Well, I think we kind of succeeded on that front, which is great." And that's all I could possibly ask for. So once I knew that we were doing the alien chin thing, it was a matter of trying to tie it all together that way. I knew that, so we did like about a month ago, I think, even we were doing some like screen tests just to see if we could make the chin thing work. Like obviously, we're up the other way and you just rotate the video. We'd tried to have like black hoodies on or backwards and things to block our neck. And then the end was like, "Ah, I just need to get a big piece of black card and like paint stars and things on it." And even that, when you see it, like it wobbles, it's kind of hard to get right. But again, these are the practicalities of actually trying to film it and things. It was all very difficult. But like, we knew that we had to do that. We knew that we had to do the cards. One of the things that I wasn't happy with was I just forgot to ask for the template card things, the card images for when you're doing a Choose One for Astral Phaser. I think it would have been really good. Like when we put down Astral Phaser without the card text and then Monger puts the card text on. I think Choose One, you can just drop one Choose One and then choose the other one down and I can reach out and pick the one that we want. But oh yes, that one, please. Like overall, the script, I was quite pleased with how that came together, even if I did make a typo in the outro that we didn't fail to pick up when we record it. Like I think I managed to make it funnier than I was hoping. Starting with like the Star Trek captain's log sort of feels that. And like it's obviously shorter than that and we had to crop out, I chopped out some parts of the original dialogue that don't necessarily make sense. But I thought it was enough to mimic that. Overall, I had the script sorted and I had, I didn't storyboard it this much, but I guess if I had time I could have. I had that sorted, but I had a lot of doubt around the soundtrack. The only music that we have this time, because we're not doing a like cinematic trailer thing, they're doing like stuff with influence and stuff, which I know some people don't like, but I think it's really cool. I really like that. And part of me is like, wouldn't it be great if Mongoose and I could be included? I imagine if with the Perils and Paradise one, Mongoose and I were just two of the passages on the plane. I think there are some people out there who would just go nuts for that. I think it was amazing. But like, here are some practical things that you've got to work around. If Blizzard are trying to put my living-year-old daughter in the video, like I'm clearly the guardian there. I'm signing off on things. But there's such a legal ramification of having to do that. Like I don't know exactly what the laws are in America on that, but I know in Australia, the minute we would have Mongoose on a set, everyone working on the set needs to have a working with children's check, which is like a thing that you need to pass to the government. I'm sure everyone could pass it, but it's still an extra step, right? The great Dark Beyond influence, they record that in England, because I guess like studios over there do that kind of thing, like, you know, where they film Star Wars and stuff. Like, okay, so now we have Blizzard stuff from America who need to have whatever the equivalent is of working with children's check. And anyone in England also needs like, at no point is it worth Blizzard's time and effort to actually include someone who is underage in these videos, because it just becomes this legal minefield. Not to mention, flying us out there is a heck of an expense, because we're on the other side of the world. So as cool as it would be, I doubt you will see either of us in these. And also, you know, we're not that big time. We're not big streamers or anything like that. But still, as cool as it is, I think that's just a non-starter, unfortunately, which is a shame. Anyway, where was I? I was talking about the script. I think the script was funny. Anyway, yes, script. All right, the cards. I haven't even talked about what the cards are. Let's go over them quickly now. Now, the first one we touched on is Stargrazor, which is the eight-man 8-8 beast. It has taunt, elusive and spellburst when you play spell. Of course, you get plus eight attack and armour. Plus eight attack for this turn and armour, the armour stays. That's quite powerful. Now, an eight-man 8-8 with taunt is not a great deal. We had that in the course yet. Nobody ever played it behind butt tree folk or something. Anyway, we've had eight-man 8-8 with taunt that had been playable before, like the Lich King, which was exactly that. Eight-man 8-8 with taunt, but at the end, it gave you one of the Lich King cards. And those things could be quite powerful. This seems quite powerful. The fact that it has elusive as well makes it a lot more difficult. The problem with an eight-man 8-8 is that you could just hit it with something and it dies. Like, bonk, it's gone. An eight-man 8-8 with elusive and taunt is now a thing that you basically have to run your minions into. You can't point burn spells at it. It's very difficult to silence, especially with a spell. Unless you have something specific like the Black Knight, that legendary minion that battle cry destroys a taunt minion, you're not getting through that. On top of that, it's probably not too difficult for a druid to play a spell to trigger the spell burst, so they immediately get that value from it as well, where they get an attack in an armour and get to bonk something and gain a bunch of health. So, quite a strong card. I'm actually kind of... It's going to depend what ramp druid has to do. Like, it's entirely possible that this expansion cycle, it doesn't need star grazer, but I could see it being something quite powerful to do if ramp druid can ramp into it and it has any cheap spells to go with it. We shall see. Anyway, the next one was Astral Phaser, the two mana arcane respell. Let's choose one, deal two damage to two random enemy minions or make one dormant. I'm assuming they make one dormant targets. It's hard to tell. I like the spell. I think a two mana cleave is something that warrior has had and never really truly been interested in playing, but druid is not warrior and druid doesn't have a lot of way of dealing with minions. I think just a two mana cleave for druid is probably quite strong in the early game. Not to mention, you can then choose instead to make something dormant for a couple of seconds, which is not a long time, but it could be enough for a druid to work. That's kind of a cool spell. I want to talk more about Astral Phaser in regards to the scripting things in a moment as well, but obviously. The last one is Ulu, the Everdrifter, which is a 5-6/5 legendary beast. Each turret is in your hand, it gains different random choose one abilities. They don't stack up or anything like that. Overall, that's the least, I would say, flashy card as power level goes. It's probably not particularly good, but if you think about it, any choose one minion that has ever seen play is understated. For the cost you're getting less stats for the cost because the choose one ability is generally quite good. It has flexibility. You can choose what you're going to do when you need it and things like that. The fact that we're getting a 5-6/5 for the cost is already quite good for a choose one minion. Now, you don't have a lot of control over what the choose one options are. The random each turn. When you get to 5 mana, you're going to be like, "Ooh, I don't know that I necessarily want to play this," but you're getting raw stats and whatever the choose one was is potentially just upside. I think Ulu is playable, but a lot of people look at it and think it's bad, and I can see why. It's certainly fun. It's one of two cards that Leo Gonzales, Robles Gonzales, the lead designer of the set was like, "This is one of two cards that I really had to fight to get into the set because engineering were like, "Too big, run away!" or something. Anyway, I think I've got some tweets saved of what Leo was saying about that. Here we go. He said, "I've got some time on my hands." So here's an Ulu, the everdrifter, frequently asked questions through it. How does this work? Each turn, Ulu will randomly gain two sub-options from choose one cards in the game and become a choose one card himself using these two options. And then, whoops, I got this way. Can Ulu gain choose one effects from wild? If you're in wild, yes. Ulu will only gain an effects from cards and your current format. How does the text look? Ulu gains text from sub-options. For example, Ulu will say discover a beast, not discover one. When we're talking about peaceful Piper, peaceful Piper says, "Draw a beast or discover one." So the text can't just be discover one on Ulu, it says discover a beast, which, incidentally, we managed to put in the video. I thought that was quite clever. Whoops. Ah, look at that. Ah, there are any choose one cards excluded from Ulu. Yes, choose one cards that transform themselves are excluded. Using druid of the closed sub-options as an example, Ulu would just say taunt or rush and how it's displayed text. Oh, and Fate Spinner is excluded too. Does Ulu work with effects that combine choose one powers? Yes, on a related note, Ulu will never gain two choose one effects that both require a target. This was done to ensure that combining the two effects didn't run into weirdness like combining a buff plus removal. What's the law behind Ulu? Ulu is a gigantic alien turtle that so old and massive that an entire planetary ecosystem has developed on his back. Since he's not a regular old planet, he has no orbit and drifts around space. However, he sees fit. Now, I guess it's time to deep-door into more teenage, Mr Guy law. When I was 13, my first year at high school, like they did some engines testing stuff where they separated us into classes based on how we did on the entrance test. Somehow, I and my friends, ended up in the highest class and you're like, "Well, of course, you're a smart bloke." Yes, yes, yes. Sure. I'll give you that, but also not that smart. What we ended up being is in the top class, but in the bottom half of that top class. In that top class, you have your real actual genius, savant people. You're like, "Oh, that's a bit weird." Some of us are just normal smart jerk, Alex. Smart Alec jerks. Anyway, at lunchtime, our form room, let's just let your homeroom. There were some, so third form is when we started, which I think is year seven in Australian high school. I've done it anyway. Like 16-year-olds would use our form room at lunchtime to do role-playing. They were playing, I can't even know what they're doing. It was something robo-tech. I don't even know what it was. But me and a mate of mine, Jesse, would watch them, would hang out and watch and then get included. It's how we got into Warhammer and stuff like that. One of them was reading a disc world book by Terry Pratchett. That's how I got into those. During my teenage years, I devoured pretty much anything by Terry Pratchett. I have this, it's probably ADHD. It's not diagnosed, but this whole hyper-focused thing, when I get into something, I get into it. It's how you end up with 1,375 episodes of a Hearthstone podcast, without ever actually wanting to stop. I'm sure that's me. Anyway, I was really into disc world when I was a kid. The whole disc world series, which must be 30 odd books by now, the whole concept is it's a flat planet that is carried through space on the back of four turtles, which are in turn on the back of a giant, sorry, four elephants on the back of a giant turtle. So, you know, Ulu is very much that kind of thing. The disc world books are funny. I mean, the first few are not as well written as some of the later ones. Terry Pratchett really got good at writing later, but it was still hilarious and, again, also informed the kind of comedy I enjoyed. What's especially funny about it is, like, when you hear that as a concept, the disc world, you know, on the back of the elephants, on the back of great are two in the turtle, flying through space. And he's like, well, clearly, this is like fantasy era. This was the weird explanation people came up with to explain the planet, because they can't tell that it's round. But later in the books, like, they do actually to the edge of the planet, look over the side and see the turtles and stuff, see the turtle and the elephants, which is pretty funny and also, like, subverting expectations. It's great. Anyway, Ulu is very much clearly a nod to that. I've seen people saying that it's a reference to other things. I would be prepared to bet, and I'm not a betting person. I don't want to get into gambling. My addictive personality would just get all on that. But, like, I almost guarantee you that any giant turtle with a civilization growing on the back of it is a reference to the disc world. Like, that was probably some of the first. Anyway, that's beside the point. Ulu is amazing because of that. And I don't even care if it's not very playable. It's an amazing card on that flavor. Oh, slight side check. I should have mentioned this first. It's technically tangently related to reveals. I'm now legend and standard and wild. I'm sure if we'll get to do an episode on those, but I played XL spell damage druid and wild. Last month I got legend with bottomless toy chest, which is one of our reveal cards and woodsman's workshop. So I was like, there's a spell damage deck that plays not only that. God. It's the same spot, I think, as last time, where I get some kind of dust in my throat. I've never been knocking loose asbestos or something right here. Gosh. Anyway, bottomless toy chest and magical dollhouse. Spell damage druid deck. And wild. I kind of want to play that because it's quite good. So I did. I played that to legend and loved it. Then I started playing XXL mage and standard. And this wasn't really working for me. I was like, okay. And a couple of times I lost to people playing the XL spell damage druid and standard. I was like, not only does this have magical dollhouse and bottomless toy chest, it also has the sparkling file and Elonius. Maybe I should switch to that. And I was like, I'm too close to legend to switch. So I played a bit more of the XXL spell mage, big spell mage, lost a few with that. And I was like, well, I think I can switch to druid now. Switched the druid one some, lost some, lost some, lost some, was legend because that's how 11x works. So XL spell damage druid in both formats, loving it. My wizbangs workshop reveal cards are double loving it. Excellent. Anyway, where I have this reel, I've lost track of where I wanted to be up to. But how we handled each card in the reveal, star grazer was basically I looked at the three cards and I'm like, how do I make a narrative out of this? Like, what is the story? You kind of want to end on the legendary. So Unu is last. The astral phaser, why do we have an astral phaser? I'm like, because set our astral phasers to stun is a hilarious line in itself, because that sounds like a Star Trek thing set phasers to stun. Set our astral phasers to stun and then having it stop and mongers like, our astral phasers don't do stun, so, like, you know, it's like, oh, that's such good comic timing. I love that. And so it was like, okay, we start with star grazer. I'm clearly your seek out new life. I'm clearly this ogre over eager captain, really keen to seek out new civilizations in life. And who knows what I want to do? Like, capture them. I don't know what the motivation is there, but I'm clearly very excited to see star grazer and I want to stun it. I'm guessing to capture it or to examine it, don't do stun. So I'm like, oh, I have the dormant option, please. God, it's got elusive. It's like, oh no, how do we deal with that? It's like, too big. Star grazer, too big runaway. Oh my gosh. And so obviously, runaway is a little bit reminiscent of brave Sir Robin from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Mongers hasn't seen that movie yet, but I think we're pretty close to having to sit down to watch it together. Again, that is a formative UK comedy thing from my childhood. When we as a family sat down to watch it when I was a kid, it was me, my little brother, my mum, my dad. It's clearly something my dad had seen and you we sat down to watch it when it finished. My mum went, that was rubbish. And both my brother and I, like, at the same time, I was like, no, it wasn't. Clearly, it was hilarious. And honestly, in retrospect, she may have enjoyed the whole thing, but just the way that movie ends may have caught her off guard and she thought that was a rubbish ending. And she's not wrong. But also, when you know why it ended that way, which is that they had no money to do anything else, you're like, okay, that's just brilliant. Like, everything about Monty Python and the Holy Grail, that they were on a shoestring budget, they did everything they could with a budget, also fits what we do with our reveals. So, like, I clearly love that in so many ways. So the runaway is a bit of reference to Brave Sir Robin. The whole relationship between my character and Mongers' character is kind of reminiscent of King Arthur from Monty Python and the Holy Grail and his subordinates. One, two, five, three, sir, three, and also Pontius Pilate and a centurion in Monty Python and the Life of Ryan, which I guess is one that Mongers isn't going to see soon because it's less than work-safe, friendly language and things. But she will see it. Like, she's going to a Catholic school, and I feel like Monty Python and the Life of Ryan is almost required of giving for anyone going to any religious school, just for that healthy dose of skepticism and stuff, but also because it's an amazingly good movie and very clever and also has great backstories about George Harrison mortgaging his whole house to finance it because no one else would that stuff. So that whole centurion, Pilate Pontius, and the Knights of the Round Table and Arthur relationship with is the terribly keen but aloof captain with a very capable lieutenant. And when we were talking about this early on, my wife's like, you're leaning too far into a terrible stereotype, like the Homer Simpson and Lisa Simpson thing. And I was like, I don't think we're going that far, but also I think we're supposed to. I'm not, I think she was concerned that we were perpetuating harmful stereotypes of husbands and fathers being useless and not being capable, which is, I think that's a bit tenuous. We're not really quite doing that. But that is one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that, I mean, it's the empowering children, especially daughters, to do things and to be successful and to be an upgrade on the parents and stuff, which isn't necessarily making me useless, but it's also funny if I'm the useless character. It's about that power structure. Like, that's the whole reason the Pontius Pilate and centurion relationship works so well in much pattern in the life of Brian is that Pontius Pilate is the authority. He is the, the patriarchy. He is the power and everything, but he's just hopeless. And that takes, that dismantles some of his power and gives it to the people who are under, which is, I think, a good lesson or, or message to give to people is that people in authority aren't necessarily everything and you have power and you have the ability to change things and lead things. And so I don't know, I think that is a kind of a message and a theme that we're going with this. Like, I don't think of myself as Homer Simpson being completely hopeless, more perhaps as being more like Phil Dunphy from Modern Family. Also kind of hopeless, but not useless and with good intention. Like, I don't know. Anyway, I don't think it works as a vibe if I'm the clever, smart one and I'm making fun of my daughter. But I do think it's funny if we're making fun of me via my daughter. There's a train coming, I'm probably supposed to get on it. So again, let this one go and get on the next one because clearly I feel like I could probably talk for episodes about this whole thing and this whole reveal. So the thing that I was most happy about with this reveal, which I've alluded to and I was alluding to in the previous episodes, was my uncertainty around the music. So with the reveal, that's why I was talking about the reveal thing in the workman children's check is the reveal that they had, they have some music and it's just this drawn out epic orchestral French horn sounding stuff. Oh, and I mentioned that I was going to try and get trumpet on there, it didn't work. Like I was like this, I had this cool idea to put Mongo's playing trumpet, it doesn't sound right because it's trumpet and not French horn, the French horn has a higher tone to it and the trumpet is actually kind of lower and it didn't work. So we tried it, but unfortunately it didn't come to get it anyway. That music is really cool and epic and works perfectly for the introduction when I'm doing captain's log, the great dark beyond. Like that music just builds perfectly and then you just cut it off when she's like, did you mean to boldly go sir? Like to go boldly sir. And it's like what? And the music cuts off and then I'm like, yes, yes, we will split the infringement and the music comes back in again. I was like, oh, this works so well with that. I was, I'd hoped it would work like that. And when the music cuts off and Mongo says her line, that was where I was going to have the trumpet, but it just distracted from it because just stopping the music and having her say, no, that's not how that works. So our astrophasers don't do stunts, having it stop there would just was so much funnier. And so I was like, well, that's what we have to go with. And I loved that the introduction with the captain's log with that music swelling underneath it. It worked so much better than I had hoped that I was so happy with that after being so unsure about it. Now the missing piece of the puzzle was that I had to use some music from World of Warcraft. And part of you go, ah, it's a bit cheating is it's like, no, apparently, apparently the influencer reveal also uses similar music from that. It's from the, uh, the dragonflight expansion, like Celeste Law mentioned in the creator program, I think they use some of the music from dragon flight. So I was like, okay, then if we can do that, I'm going to go look at the dragonflight music and like just the opening music. I was like, well, that's perfect. It's like this building tension of like danger. I was like, dung, lock it in. And so like, the minute we start seeing the star grays that we transition to the dragonflight music. And then it's not perfect that like when we're running away, it goes back to a bit of the, the great duck beyond trailer music as we're running away. And then, oh, now we're seeing something else. And it's, ooh, the other guy, we were back to the dragonflight music. And then I didn't really have anything perfect for the outro. So I just used the standard Hearthstone music. But overall, I think it all worked really well. But I was really anxious about how the music was going to come together because like, when you watch a movie or a TV show or anything, the music is a big part of it. You just don't realize it. And so when I'm editing together the footage, the animation with our talking head stuff, definitely talking head this time, right? I'm trying to get the pacing and everything, but I'm having to imagine the music there just with the, the how it would end it together, like trying to put the music in too early. And then if you want to do a cut, then the music cuts and that doesn't sound right. So you've got to get, you've got to get the edit right. Like, you can do a sort of a dummy in the music in just to see, but like, you can't add the music until you've got the actual pacing of everything else, how you want it. So I'm busy hoping that the music's going to work, but not convinced. And when you add on top of that, I wasn't sure exactly which music we were using to get the vibe. I was really concerned that it was just all going to fall apart without the music. And so when I got the music to come together, I was like, so happy, so pleased with how it turned out. And then basically within the last two days, I was like, I actually have something I'm really proud of and really happy with now. And so I wanted to show everyone that obviously couldn't. It was really touch and go there that I was possibly going to post the first 10 seconds early just so people could laugh at the Chin Waggleons. Oh my gosh, haven't even talked about that. I didn't know what to call the Starship. The enterprise, the ship that Captain Cook used to discover Australia and air quotes discover obviously, because it was well and truly inhabited long boy got here, was the Endeavour. And I feel like Captain Cook's Endeavour is kind of the inspiration for the Starship Enterprise from Star Trek. It's got that same number of sort of syllabley vowels that I feel. And I kind of wanted something to go with that. And I couldn't think, I didn't want to use an indigenous Australian name. I'm not an indigenous Australian or an even Australian, so like it just seems on the nose to do that, even though there are some good Australian indigenous words. But also it might just sound like I'm being silly and because people wouldn't necessarily get it. So I was like, oh, indigenous name out. There is a local X Navy based heckled sub based platypus. I was like, platypus is an Australian animal. It's wacky. People know that's Australian. So this could be the Starship platypus. And to the last day before we filmed, it was platypus, but it just wasn't funny enough for me. I couldn't quite get it. And then I was like, what if we were the Chin Waggleons? And this was the Starship Chin Waggle. I was like, that's hilarious. Let's do that. So we now became the Chin Waggleon people from the Chin Waggle, the Starship Chin Waggle. And suddenly that all felt again. I was like, perfect. And now I'm like, the Chin Waggleons are amazing. And when I drew the cartoon for the Chin Waggleons, I haven't posted the, I'm going to do that. I'll post it. I think I've got pictures of us painting the star background and pictures of the work in progress, like the original sketch I did. I'll probably share those on Twitter or something. All that stuff. I'll post all that when I can. Like, as that stuff was coming together, I was like, wait, this could work. Anyway, there's another train coming. I should get on this one. Also, we've got to give away. We've only got four standard bundles for the great dark beyond to give away this time. I'll talk more next episode about why it's less. It's, it's nobody's fault, but it is just what it is. But going to discord, discord.me/plistagai to the W2W's contest channel. In there, you'll find whatever instructions you need to enter. I haven't figured that yet, but we will by the end of the day to go in the draw to win. And of course, follow me on Twitch, Twitter, and YouTube, @plistagai, part of the podcast. Walk to work, HS. Come hang on Discord, as I said, discord.me/plistagai. It is always a pleasure to have you join me for my walk to work. Good luck, everyone, and everything you do, because you're all absolute bloody legends, and I love you all. Honestly, I can talk for hours about this reveal. I'm very happy with it. Very happy. Oh, full train. This station is Milton's port. [Music] [Music]