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Today's podcast is brought to you by Howie's new book Paperboy. To order today, go to HowieCarShow.com and click on store. Live from the Aviva Trattoria studio, it's The Grace Curly Show. We've got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. Especially Grace, Grace Standup. Here's the millennial with the mic, Grace Curly. Alright, welcome one and all. I know we have a lot of people listening who might not be typical listeners of The Grace Curly Show, but they are following the Karen Reed case and they're following a lot of the reporting from Aiden Carney, from otherwise known as Turtle Boy. If you are one of those listeners, join us anytime you want. You don't have to just tune in now, but we appreciate it nonetheless. Aiden joins the show and for people who are new to this story, Aiden has broken down the specific details of it in previous podcasts. You can find them where we get your podcasts, Apple, Spotify. But he's going to give us a quick summary for the newcomers of this case. For people who are just starting to get familiar with it, it's a story out of Canton Mass that has captivated the country. If you buy the prosecutor's narrative, Karen Reed and her boyfriend, police officer John O'Keefe, went out with friends on January 29, 2022. Later, after a night out drinking with friends, Reed dropped off O'Keefe at the home of Brian Albert, that's a key name here, and accidentally struck her boyfriend with her car and left him to die in the snow. Now, Aiden is here. Aiden, please explain to the audience the major reasons, in your opinion, why this theory does not hold up and then we'll get into what we learned in the hearing yesterday. Well, for starters, the autopsy photos don't align with somebody getting run over by a motor vehicle. He's got dog bites all over his arms. He's got black eyes. He's got a three-inch laceration. In the back of his head, he has no broken bones anywhere on his body, as you probably would if you were smashed into a by a three-ton vehicle. And then for start, after that, we got the fact that the plow driver who went by at 230 not only said that there was no body on the front lawn, but that had there been a body there, he most definitely would have seen a body there. So if Keanu Reed killed him at 1230, then his body certainly should have been there at 230, but it wasn't. The same plow driver saw a Ford Edge parked in the same spot where John's body would later be discovered at 3 a.m. To this day, the state police have done zero research in defining who was driving that Ford Edge. So how about the 227 Google search that Jennifer McCabe made for how long to die in cold? A woman who, she also deleted that search. This woman was inside 34th year of U Road, and why would she search for how long to die in cold? She thought that John O'Keefe had just gone home and gone to bed. It's an odd thing to search for. So there's a lot I could go on all day, but those are the big points. Yeah, actually, you know what? I was going to ask that later, but I want to skip to McCabe's Google search because this is going to sound dumb, Aiden, and I'm sorry. I asked my friend this last night who follows all your stuff. Did she at that point, if we're in this mindset of, you know, we know she Google that we know she deleted it, did she at this point think he was dead? Like if we're going off of Karen Reed, what Karen Reed thinks happened, did she think that he was dead and he was out in the snow, or did they think that maybe he was still alive and they were just waiting to see how long it would take for the cold to kill him? That's the part of it I don't get. That's correct. That's correct. So we know he wasn't outside at 227 because lucky locker room would buy at 230 and there was nobody on the lawn. So John was still inside the house at that point, and the plan was to put him outside on the front lawn so that he could expire. And Jennifer McCabe wanted to know how much time did they have? How much time did they have? And so she Googled, "How long did I in cold?" She realized what a silly mistake that was, and then she deleted it. She searched for that same thing again at 624 after the body was discovered because then it would make sense why somebody might Google, "How long did I in cold?" That point, she also blamed Karen Reed for telling her to Google, "How long did I in cold?" which is an odd thing that somebody with a bunch of paramedics around could just ask the paramedics instead of asking Google. So she Googled that we believed to figure out how long they had. And in the morning, she didn't go to bed that night after a night of drinking. She was awake at 4.53 in the morning when she got a phone call from Karen Reed asking if she knew where John was. And why didn't she go to sleep that night? Why was she still awake at 4.53 in the morning? She got in the car with Karen, they drove around, and they took over an hour to get the Fairview Road. It was almost as if Jennifer McCabe was trying to prevent her from getting there to make sure John was dead. Now, Turtleboy, another question I have for you, it comes back to the news we got yesterday that the feds had hired their own experts to figure out if the injuries that John O'Keefe sustained were consistent with someone who had been hit by a car. They determined that no, they don't. They don't match up to that. I know that you were very, very passionate about that part of this case from the beginning when you've been on the show before. But what was your reaction when you found out that the federal authorities hired experts to look at this? Were you surprised? No, I felt vindicated. Everything I've done in this case, all the protesting and the reporting and activism, it was all vindicated yesterday by the revelations that the FBI confirmed that John was in fact hit by a car. That John O'Keefe was in fact, that Jennifer McCabe did in fact, I apologize, that he was not in fact hit by a car, that the injuries on his body do not align with somebody who was hit by a car. So I felt completely vindicated by all this, but I also feel robbed. I was arrested and charged with witness intimidation for reporting these things and for asking these people questions in public. Tough questions about why they googled how long today and called. That was framed as witness intimidation and I was arrested incarcerated for 60 days. Yeah, and I think a big part of this, and it's a huge part of this puzzle for people who are just hearing it for the first time. And I know people are probably ripping their hair out who followed it from the beginning saying, you know, we already know this, but can you give people a little background because I think the culture in Canton and the relationship between John O'Keefe and the Alberts and the elite investigator in this case proctor that came up yesterday in the hearing, but give us a little background into these relationships and why you think it's so important in the case against Karen Reed. Well, it's a complex, you know, the fact that Michael Proctor happens to be close family friends with the Alberts, you know, conflicts in office case. You never mentioned that he testified in front of the federal grand jury and admitted that he minimized his relationship with the Albert family. We found out yesterday that two weeks before John died, he asked Julie Albert if she could babysit his toddler son. You know, who would do that if they didn't know a person? If you trust your toddler with somebody who you didn't know very well, of course not, of course not. So, when investigating this case, you know, normally the people inside the house would have to be ruled out as suspects, but they were never once considered suspects. And that includes Colin Albert, who is inside the house and happens to be very close friend. His family has to be extremely tight with the proctor family so tight that Mrs Proctor said that the Alberts were like a second family to them. So, obviously, he should have been conflicted out, but he never mentioned any of us. Now, another thing that came up with a hearing yesterday was the text about the thank you gifts. Can you explain that to the audience? Yeah, so, Julie Albert, the mother of Colin Albert, three days after the investigation on the day that Karen Reed was arrested the day. Julie Albert sent a text message to Michael Proctor's sister saying, we need to get a thank you gift, a gift for Michael Proctor to thank him for this investigation. Thank him for what? What is Julie after thank Michael Proctor for for arresting Karen Reed for focusing on her instead of her son and her brother Brian Albert. I mean, what else is there to thank him for? It's an instead of saying that's inappropriate. You guys are witnesses in a case you can't offer me gifts. Michael Proctor said, give it to Elizabeth instead, his wife. Yeah, I think a lot of this stuff is leading people to the conclusion that this case will not go to trial, but Aidan, I asked you about that earlier and I hope you don't mind me revealing what you thought. You said you think it's a 50/50 chance. It's all up to the judge here, but I think a lot of people genuinely want to know how do you go to trial with all of this information that came out that not only shows a conflict of interest, but to your point shows that it's not consistent with somebody who was hit by a car in the first place, which is kind of the entire idea that the prosecution is pushing. I mean, it's all up to occupy, Beverly can only whether or not she wants to, you know, finally take a stand and say enough is enough. This is a farce we cannot let this go to trial. But does she have the gumption to do it? Does she have the fortitude? She certainly hasn't given any indication that she's that type of judge afraid to stand up to the system and actually take a stand. But this is her moment to shine. This is when she, I'm not a fan of Auntie Beth, but she could steal the show here and really do the right thing because, I mean, what else do you need to know besides an independent investigator for the FBI determined that John was not hit by a car? End of story. There's nothing else to talk about. John wasn't hit by a car. So Karen Reid couldn't have killed him. Okay. Drop the charges. I'm speaking with Aidan Kearney from Turtle Boy and Turtle Boy. Can I have you stay on the line and come back with us after the break? Because I do want to talk about the cell phones and just something that has not been picked up by the mainstream media really anywhere that I've been able to read about it except for your site. And also, I want to ask you about what happens if this case is dismissed. How do we ever find out what truly happened if that's even a possibility? Aidan, can you stay with us for another segment? Yeah, I can do one more segment, sure. All right. Thank you very much, sir. When we come back, we'll talk to Turtle Boy and I'll read the text line. I'll get some of your questions out there as well. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Follow Grace on Twitter at g_curly. This is the Grace Curly Show. Welcome back, everyone, to The Grace Curly Show. And, you know, we played a cut from WCVB of Karen Reid telling reporters outside the courthouse yesterday. She said it feels like we're the only ones who want to get to the truth. And that brings me to my next question for Turtle Boy, which is if this case is dismissed, you know, a lot of people are saying case clothes. He wasn't hit by a car. That's what the federal experts or that's what the experts at the federal authorities brought in came to the conclusion that he was not hit by a car. It should be a no-brainer that the case is dismissed. But then the follow up, Aidan, that I hear from people who follow your reporting is what happens then? Like, does anyone ever find out what really happened to John O'Keefe? Yeah, that's the problem is that that's why we don't want this to go to trial because that would be a farce. That's exactly what they want. They don't care if Karen Reid gets convicted or not. They just need to try her. And if they try her and they lose, they can throw their hands up in there and they say, well, we gave it a shot. Turn her into Casey Anthony. But then there will never be justice. There will never be justice. That's why this charade needs to end. It needs to end now. Clearly, the state police are incapable of investigating the actual people who did this because they're covering for them and they themselves are the problem. And that's why the FBI is involved. That's where the DOJ is involved because when your local town government or your state government is corrupt, there needs to be a higher authority that holds them responsible. And I would want to be in their shoes right now. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. The other part of this story, Aidan, that I know you've been on top of is Michael Morrissey, the district attorney. And there was a little bit of rumblings, but not a lot in the mainstream media who've obviously dropped the ball with this case. But, you know, he claimed yesterday in this hearing that D.A. Morrissey gave Brian Albert and Brian Higgins permission to destroy their phones. If he can prove that, what does that mean for D.A. Morrissey? Well, I mean, he didn't think he and Morrissey himself. He said the district attorney's office. So that could mean, I don't know if the specific person in the D.A. Oh, okay. Thank you for clarifying. Thank you for clarifying that. But either way, you know, why is anyone from the D.A.'s office telling two quote unquote witnesses, both of whom are law enforcement officers, to destroy their phones? Why would anyone destroy their phone, other than being involved in a cover-up? And, David, you know, he wouldn't just make this up. I mean, they have the results of the FBI investigation in front of them. They can't, and at no point did Adam Lowry attempt to say, "No, that's actually not what happened." Instead in their response, what do they talk about? Turtle Boy. They planned everything on Turtle Boy. Can't reach fault. She talks to Turtle Boy. This is all the distraction. It's a three-card Monty called it. So, yeah. Yeah, this is unbelievable. As far as the mainstream media aid, and it seems like they're picking up on this a little bit now, and it seems like they're kind of out of options. They can't ignore it anymore. Has anyone reached out to you? And as far as the interest goes in this case, have you ever seen anything like this in your years as a reporter? Have you ever seen this level of interest from people all across the political spectrum? Really? That's the part of it that amazes me. I've had people reach out to me when you're on the show who hate my politics, who say, you know, what's going on with Karen Reid. So, are you surprised at all how this is connected with people in such a big way? No, I mean, we should all object to government corruption. We should all object to murder. These are common things that unite all of us. And, you know, this movement that we've created aligns people of all political affiliation. That's the beauty of it. We don't even talk about politics. We all agree that corruption is bad and murder is bad. And so it's been really -- it's been nice to almost take a step back from politics and really get invested in this. Yeah, and as far as Karen Reid goes, I noticed that your name was getting tossed around a lot in your contact with Karen Reid. Do you have anything to say on that? Do you think that's something that should be held against her? No, I remember a reporter covering a major murder case, and she's a source. And I have access to the source. That's it. She asked for anonymity. She was granted it. And then her anonymity was violated when the state police basically disregarded the Fourth Amendment and decided to take both of our phones and search through our phone records and see that we spoke to each other a hundred, eight, nine times or whatever. Of course, I'm writing stories about this case all the time. If she has information that I will vet to make sure it's accurate, then I'm going to ask her for it. Period. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, one thing you said, Aidan, the first time I had you want to talk about this case, and I remember I had said to Howie, I said, "What's a good question for Turtleboy?" You know, some people aren't believing that there's any way this could be a cover-up. There's just too many people involved. And Howie brought up the fact that, you know, police officers, oftentimes there's incompetence involved with police. And so in the case of when they showed up at the Albert's house, it's not a surprise necessarily that they would mess up the investigation after the fact. And what you said, which really stuck with me, you said they were dealing with one of their own. Police officers don't mess up when it comes to investigating the death of another police officer. And I thought that was a really good point. I kind of keep going back to it. Yeah, I mean, they should have taken extra care with John, not that police, you know, are better than anybody else. But yeah, there is a certain unwritten code that involves that. Like a police officer gets killed. It's going to be treated differently. And John's case, the way John has been treated, the investigation into his murder, is so insulting. They didn't even put crime scene tape up. The whole thing was contaminated. They didn't even go inside the house and look around, just to see if there's any blood or any signs of a struggle and they're nothing. They didn't do anything like that. Instead, they just blamed it all in this woman. And that was the end of the day. That's it. And in doing so, even Michael Proctor's involvement, they knew that if the defense ever found out about how close he was to the Albert family, that it would compromise everything. It would compromise the whole case. And they went forward with it anyway. It's like they just don't care if they're going to get justice for John O'Keefe. The only people fighting for justice for John O'Keefe are the people that support Karen Reid. That's it. Now, as far as the house goes, just really quickly here, Aidan, before we have to let you go, as far as this house goes, what happened after the fact? You talked about how the crime scene was contaminated and there wasn't a lot of great care put into it. But what happened with this house after the fact? Well, they ended up, after they were named as potential suspects by the defense, they decided they were going to sell this home that had been in the family for almost 50 years, the generational family home. They ripped up the floor. They replaced the basement floor and their family dog is just gone. No one knows where Chloe, the family dog, is the six-year-old pet who has twice sent people to the ER and there happened to be a dead body on their lawn that had dog bites on it. But the dog's just gone and we're supposed to think that this is normal. Brian Albert, who was a train first responder, never came outside of his house during the 20 or 30 minutes when first responders were all over his front lawns. Never came out. Wasn't curious what was going on outside. Nothing. Turtle Boy, we're running out of time here. Tell people where they can find more of your reporting. You can find me at tbdailynews.com. Check out our YouTube Turtle Boy Live. Follow me on Twitter @DrTurtleBoy or on Facebook. Thank you very much, sir. All right, everybody. We'll take your calls when we come back. That was your care and read update of the day. The murder case that has captured not just the town of Canton, Massachusetts, but really the country. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Live from the Aviva Thratria Studio. Welcome back, everyone, to The Grace Curly Show. We were just talking to Aiden Carney, otherwise known as Turtle Boy. About the recent updates in the Karen Reed murder case. And it got me thinking, because you know, this is going to obviously, at some point, it's inevitable, it will turn into a true crime documentary. And by the way, they're making documentaries now about everything. This actually would be interesting, but I just want to let people know, like any sort of pop culture moment, they made an entire documentary about Abercrombie and Fitch, and now they used to only hire-- There's no illusion in it. They used to only hire good looking people. Like, I haven't watched all of these, but I see them pop up and I go, damn, they're really running out of material. Now, this would be something I would watch, but it's, it just got me thinking about all the true crime cases, because Turtle Boy mentioned Casey Anthony. And I was thinking of the big ones. Obviously, the Murdoch trial, that was very popular nationwide, but especially if you go to South Carolina, people there were obviously obsessed with it. It was their Karen Reed case. And then I started thinking, okay, what were the other big ones? We had, I remember Scott Peterson. I remember that being a huge, huge story on Nancy Grace. This was before podcasts. So, you know, Nancy Grace was a pioneer. She was ahead of her time. Amanda Knox shared, that was a really big one. I've seen documentaries on that after the fact. And then I said to Jared, because I'd like to remind Jared that he's old, at least once a day. Cute mumble. I said, you probably remember OJ Simpson. Damn! Jeffrey Cuban? Yeah, I remember the OJ trial very well. And actually, I was, I was in high school. And I remember they came over the PA, like where they do the morning announcements. They actually, because the verdict came down in the middle of the day, they actually announced over the PA system that the verdict came in. No way! Were you surprised? I was not. Just, it was, I mean, I, you know, I don't want to sound like I'm some legal legal. I'd done mock trial when I was in elementary school. So, I had, I had a very amateur understanding of legal precedents and just watching the whole thing. I was like, there's no way. High school, high school Jared was like, well, based off mock trial, I'm going to say he gets off. He probably did it, but I, I just, there's no preponderance of evidence. There's no beyond a reasonable doubt. No, I'm not unsure. 100%. But, I knew that after the fact to make you more convinced or less convinced. Oh, it makes me more convinced. Yeah, me too. When you wrote that book, like, if I did it or something like that. Yeah, it's like, if I did it, this is how I would have done it. Yeah, very, very strange stuff. But do you remember the chase? I kind of remember the chase a little bit. I mean, I wasn't really, I think it was like June 17th or somewhere around there. I think it was the day. So, I kind of remember the chase, but I wasn't really invested in it. So, because I, I mean, I didn't, you know, he'd, he'd been out of the NFL for most of my childhood at that point. I knew him from the Naked Gun movies, but that was about it. Like, I knew he wasn't like a hero that I grew up with. Like, he was for a lot of people. Yeah. You know, I think I've talked about this before, but I was really young when the trial was happening and my parents took us to Disney World and it was during the trial. And so imagine though, like, I try to envision this because my grandmother was there too. My dad said they were trying at all times, like, find a TV because they were glued to it. It was really the beginning of that kind of televised true crime situation. And so they're, we're like, we want to go on, you know, magic, whatever. And they're sitting there being like, where's a television? We need to tune into this. I mean, that was really the first big celebrity murder case that, you know, was in the era of 24-hour television, cable television. What about your guy? Who's the Star Trek dude? He was involved in a true crime situation. The guy he does the commercials now for the hotels. Oh, William Shatner. Yeah, with his wife. When his wife drowned in the pool. Was that a big deal at the time? I'd like to talk to Jared like he's Joe Biden. Tell us about that time, Grandpa. It wasn't as big a deal as OJ because it just didn't have all the sensational components. And quite frankly, all the, you know, the racial components that OJ had. Yes. For the criminal justice system versus, you know, black people at the time. So, I mean, it just didn't have the same elements that it had. That was kind of a big story, but nothing compared to OJ. I mean, it just dominated everything. You know, what's interesting is that when I wrote down this day, there's still a stigma on Ford Broncos. I wrote down a list of, yeah, that's your takeaway, huh? I met Kato Kalen once. He actually, he was supposedly he was the house guest of OJ. And he was kind of involved. He came on the show. He was a big figure in the case. He came on the sports station. Did you ever meet Rob Kardashian? I never met Rob Kardashian. I never met any of the, well, actually, and I, Lamar Odom played for the Lakers. So I've met. Well, no, no, I, yeah, but I met Chris Humphries. He went and played for the Celtics. This has just become a name-dropping segment for Jared. Should we continue? Cause Humphries is not a name-drop, trust me. You know what's weird is when I was thinking about these true crime cases, I'm like, okay, Amanda Knox, Casey, Casey Anthony. That was a huge one. Karen Reed. A lot of women, like a lot of these cases revolve around women. And there's Nancy Grace. I remember with the Casey Anthony thing. My mom was watching that all the time. That was wild. But yeah, this is all the makings of a documentary. And I think the part of it that really bothers people who've been following it from the beginning is exactly what Karen Reed said, which is once you take this focus off of her. Cause a lot of these investigators and police, they get, they get very, very focused and very determined to make whatever narrative they're pushing fit. To make it work. And once you lose that focus, does nothing happen? Do we never find out? Is it just one of these big mysteries? Does everything just kind of come to a standstill? And that's the part of it that I'm curious about. But we might as well do the poll question, Jared, since we're here. Today's poll question is brought to you by the Nossett Beach Inn. Book your spring stay at Nossett Beach Inn with April rates starting at $249.99. To reserve your pet friendly ocean view room with a fireplace, go to nossettbeachin.com. That's nossettbeachin.com. I still can't believe your high school announced it. Oh yeah, Robert Blake. That was a big deal. He's the other Hollywood guy who murdered his. Yeah. Did he get proven guilty? I don't remember that. He was accused of murdering his wife. That's how I should put it. I think he was unguilty, but I don't recall. I get him confused with the jinx, the HBO documentary about that other weird guy who was accused of murdering people. But Jared, I still can't believe your school announced it over there. Yeah, it was crazy. It was a kind of like high school too. Like, I mean, it was just crazy. They announced we just came over the loudspeaker and were a clapper like, wait, what? They kind of should because it's like a major cultural moment that everyone's waiting for. It's like, well, you guys don't deserve to know because you're stuck in school. They're going to make you find out at $330. Well, some would call it the first reality show and it launched the Kardashians. The Kardashians. Yeah. Wow. That's poetic, Jared. Yeah. Yeah. You're a wealth knowledge. I'm OK, so give us the poll question. If the love don't fit, you must announce it over the loudspeaker for all the kids to learn. Oh, no, Blake. He did not get convicted. Thank you. So I'm glad we said accused. Yes. Today's poll question, which you can vote in at gracecurlyshow.com, is do you think the Karen Reed murder case will get dismissed? Yes. Yes, I do. 63% of the audience now believes. Yes, 37% say now. It's all hinging on the fact that she backed over him with her car and the experts hired by federal authorities say he wasn't hit by a car. I don't like to use the expression case closed too much, but this feels like a case closed situation. Now, another thing I wanted to ask about or I'm sorry, another thing I wanted to play here that I had teased earlier, but now I'm curious if any of these callers are on the topic of true crime because I could keep this conversation going. I did want to play a little bit of Janet Yellen. So Janet Yellen, treasury secretary, she had made several. It wasn't just one time that she said inflation was transitory. This lady doubled down quite a few times and she made a comment about this on Fox Business and it turns out that she does regret it. So even though you might be angry with her that she was wrong, that she was insistent on this thing that turned out to be completely false, it might bring you some comfort that she does have regrets. This is cut seven. In 2021, you though, you did say that inflation was transitory. Do you regret saying that now? I regret saying it was transitory. It has come down, but I think transitory means a few weeks or months to most people. Well, that's nice. That's the most accountability I've ever heard a Biden administration official take ever. So you know what, Gold Star, Janet Yellen, Gold Star. By the way, Jesse Waters had a video out on his show of spring breakers talking about the Biden administration. And there's constantly polls about Biden's not doing well with black voters, Biden's not doing well with young people. Obviously a lot of the Gen Zs are not happy with the way he's handling the Israel Hamas war. They think he should be giving more aid to Gaza and being harsher on Israel and calling for a ceasefire. But these spring breakers, I don't think they're part of that group of like Ivy Leaguers who are mad at the ceasefire for Gaza. They do have a lot of thoughts on Joe Biden. Can I get a little bit of cut to? Oh, this ****. I need a hot president and I think it should be me. Look, I'm very young, energetic, and handsome. What am I doing this for? Joe Biden sucks, dude. He's raising prices, like, not it. This ****. Oh, he's not really doing ****, man. Take a look around you, Ellen. We're at the threshold of hell. What is Joe Biden accomplished? What has he accomplished? Nothing. That would be correct. Really? Yay, me! How's Kamala doing? Kamala? Is that the colored lady like me? I don't even know who that is. I don't even know who that is. Kamala Harris? What do you think she does? Oh, it's a girl. Harris, dude. She's running behind the scenes. She's pulling his strings like a puppet, bro. This is making me scared for all of us. I don't know if that should even make us feel better. I have to agree. They're probably not Ivy League. Yeah, I don't think they're Ivy League. Ed, you're up next on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Ed. Hi, this is responding to your question of what happens after the criminal case. Yeah. Kamala League files a giant defamation suit against all these people and probably a civil rights suit against all the state police and DA people, all the government people. How much do you think she, if you could put a number on how much she should get at, what would you say? Well, it's what, I mean, how much do they have? She could get a verdict for a huge amount of money, but she can only get what these people actually have. I mean, I think in the double digit millions would be appropriate. Okay, so I'm glad you brought this up because I was recently watching this Netflix documentary. Again, this true crime stuff. I love it. And by the way, we have true crime here at the Howie Car Radio Network, Dirty Rats. You can always check that out when you get your podcasts. But I helped produce it because I was telling the mayoral manager, I watched this stuff pretty often. And there's a new one out on Netflix and it's called American Nightmare. And it's a story. It's all about this woman and she was kidnapped and it was horrible. She was, you know, horribly raped and just a really scary story. And the police at the time tried to paint her as kind of a Gone Girl. The movie Gone Girl had just come out, tried to make it seem like she had orchestrated this and it was all fake. And it wasn't at all. It turns out her and her boyfriend were telling a very true story about what happened to them. And at the end of the movie, you know how they'll tell you, you know, updates because obviously this happened a while ago. They do an update and they say, you know, she sued after the fact and she, I think she sued the police department. And it said she got two million dollars. And like you said, it all depends on how much they actually have to give her. But in my mind, I was like, this young woman's life has been destroyed. Not just from the guy who did it, but from the court of public opinion, from the narrative that was pushed by these people who wanted to make her out to be some sort of evil mastermind lying. And then she gets two million dollars. I'm not saying it's nothing, but I don't think it even comes close to the damage they caused. I was like $2 million. And I feel the same way about Karen Reed. Like, how does she, she can't, I mean, I guess she could get a normal job after this, but it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard to live a normal life after this is all over. And so I don't know what the price tag would look like, but I don't think there's enough money in the world really to undo the damage because once everybody knows your name, and you're associated with this, it's hard to shake. Eight, four, four, five hundred, forty two, forty two, but I do get your overall point that, you know, you can get a ruling that they owe you however much money. It doesn't mean you're actually going to get it. Recently, a Grace Curly show listener called in. She was telling us how much she loved her thunderstorm. And what I love about the thunderstorm, Jared, is every time we get callers, they tell us a different reason why they love it. We get some callers who say, oh, I love the thunderstorm because it eliminated the odor after I cook. Some people say, oh, my musty basement, the damp smell in the basement is gone. And then some people have allergies and it eliminates that. But the key is the thunderstorm is the eliminator. 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That's eating pure deals.com code grace. And then number three, you know, it's another case, Jared, wasn't as, I mean, it swept the nation. It was crazy to coverage, but it was further back. So there wasn't as much TV and things like that. Um, coverage of it, but the Manson's, the Manson family matters. That's another one that if you start reading about that, I remember my mom told me she read helped her shelter when she was a kid, and that she'd have to sit outside and wait for her parents to come home. Because she's so she was so afraid of being in the house by herself after reading it. 844 542 42 will be right back. We'll talk to how we carve out all this. So don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Grace Curly Show. This is the Grace Curly Show. Today's car crossover is brought to you by ReadyWise with inflation, food and energy costs, rising families are feeling the financial pinch as they struggle to make ends meet. Preparation is key and our friends at ReadyWise have emergency food kits that will provide peace of mind. So go to ReadyWise.com and use code how we 20 at checkout to save 20% on your order. How we car is joining us now. How we, my first question for you, just because we've been focusing heavily on this Karen Reed case, is what do you think the chances are that this case is dismissed? If you had to put a percentage on it. I think I'm with Turtle Boy. Last night on my show, he said he thought it was 50/50. I, you know, I know that's a cop out, but I think it could go either way. I mean, the judge is a real hack, but the, the evidence is just so, so overwhelming. I mean, when was the last time you, you saw something like this happen with the FBI intervening, not, not with the indictments or anything, just throwing stuff out there to prove that the case was a murder charge was nonsense. How we, speaking of that, we were just talking about, you know, true crime and how it manages to really get people's attention if it has all the right elements to it. Besides OJ, because I know that's everyone's go to, what was a case like either when you were growing up or when you just started out in radio that you were glued to, that you felt like, "Oh my gosh, I can't stop watching this." I don't know. I mean, it was a little before my time, but the, the doctor in Cleveland, Sam Shepard, I mean, that was, what the fugitive was based on. I mean, that was an, that was an amazing case. That's a good one. And the Kennedy assassination was, I mean, that's the, that's the ultimate mystery. It's, it's still never been solved. Yeah. No, those are two really good ones. Howie, the other thing I wanted to ask you about is this TikTok bill. So you've got Nancy Pelosi saying, "Tik-tok-toe." You've got Tom Massey saying this is a bad idea. As someone who's seen things in the last couple of decades where maybe the intention behind them was good and then they got misused and abused as time went on, are you skeptical of this TikTok bill? Yes, yes, I am. The, the Patriot Act comes to mind. And the secret FISA courts, "Oh, we don't have anything to worry about the government's on the level." They won't abuse the fact that the, their secret courts and their no six, six amendment protections against confronting your accuser. Oh, we, wireless, warrantless surveillance. What could possibly go wrong? Yeah, no, I totally didn't. Yeah, I, I, I wouldn't. No, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. And my last question for you, Howie, is I was reading today, I know you've been on top of this Snickers conversation that Joe Biden keeps having with himself about how there's 10% less Snickers, but the Mars company has come out and they said that's not true. Right. Do you think that this company, I mean, they're not making, in my opinion, a big enough stink about this. The president is lying about their product at the state of the union. To me, that's kind of a big story. Well, you know, the thing is he's just, he's insane because he saw this picture in the New York Times and they just picked the Snickers bar. I think they could, they could have used an almond joy or, or a Charleston chew, but they just picked the Snickers because they're, they're probably more popular. And, and I don't think that there was anything really about the, about Snickers per se, except maybe saying a bar like a Snickers bar. Yeah, well, that's, he can't get his focus off it now. Howie Carr is coming up next. (upbeat music)