Talkin' Ball with Pat Leonard

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New York Daily News NFL columnist Pat Leonard and Super Bowl champion former NFL receiver Bennie Fowler break down Daniel Jones' benching, Brian Daboll's job security, Saquon Barkley's demolition of the Giants and the culture problems of both New York football teams. Then they cover the rest of Week 7, the Kansas City Chiefs' win over the San Francisco 49ers, the early AFC and NFC playoff pictures and more in First Down with Bennie Fowler on Monday, Oct. 21, 2024 @Bleav. SUBSCRIBE to the @PLonNFL YouTube page to get the latest Giants updates and news delivered directly to you, and to participate in regular LIVE Q&A chats with Pat. Purchase a Super Chat or Super Sticker to have your comments elevated to the top of the feed and have Pat answer your question FIRST! Watch the full video of this @Bleav podcast on Pat's YouTube Channel. Find Pat also on 'X' (@PLeonardNYDN), Instagram (@PLonNFL) & TikTok (@PLonNFL). Talkin' Ball with Pat Leonard is brought to you by MyBookie. It’s MyBookie’s 10th year anniversary, and they’re rolling out the red carpet for bettors, including Risk-Free Thursdays and weekly no-sweat bets all season long. Use the promo code 'PATSPICKS' here to get your first deposit of $50 or more matched 100% up to $1,000 plus a $10 casino chip. Make your Football season a winning season with MyBookie! Bet Anything, Anytime, Anywhere. Talkin' Ball with Pat Leonard is also sponsored by @BoomChaga and @Estate98Coffee. BOOM Chaga Mushroom SuperDrink is a natural extract loaded with anti-inflammatory, immune-boosting antioxidants and heart-healthy compounds. Go to BoomChaga.com and use the code TALKINBALL25 to get a 25% discount on your first Subscribe and Save Order. Estate98 is an all-natural, specialty coffee with no sugar that is convenient for the on-the-go coffee drinker. Go to estate98.com/talkinball to get a special buy one, get one free deal.

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How you doing? Madam good, man. Another crazy week of NFL football, but man, got to love it. Got to love it. No doubt. Let's start with the crazy right here in my backyard. The Eagles boat race. The Giants and our guy Daniel Jones gets benched early fourth quarter. Saquon Barkley, 17 carries 176 yards, 10.4 per carry with a touchdown. And the Giants only had 119 yards of total offense. Benny, the first time since 1999, it's been that bad. And I want to throw some stats at you first before we get into this. Joe Shane and Brian Dable now in their three years, one in 10 record against the Eagles and Cowboys are two biggest rivals have been outscored 339 to 168 in those games. Oh, and three NFC East this season, oh, and four at home averaging seven points per game at home. The Eagles go for 269 rushing yards and Deontay Banks, a corner, quits on the field on a play for the second time in four weeks. And Malik neighbors after the game was answering a lot of questions with I was open. Check the film. Benny, where do we start here? Where does the blame belong? Is it unfair that Daniel got pulled from this game? Where do you see this falling with the Giants right now? What was the score when Daniel got pulled? They were down three touchdowns. Yeah, so I don't think he necessarily got benched. I don't think, I wouldn't call that a binging just because they didn't feel like they had a chance to really get back in. I mean, you see this sometimes where, you know, there's not really an opportunity to come back. Let's put somebody else in there. Daniel does have a little bit of an injury history. Let's take them out of the game. I'm not saying by any means that they are trying to protect Daniel, but I wouldn't call that a benching. I would say if it happened in the first half, I would consider that a benching. But regardless, this organization and this team right now is lacking leadership. And I can say that for both actually both of the New York teams where they are lacking leadership from the GM to the coaching all the way down to the players. There's just no accountability, no leadership. When somebody quits on a play, that is, that speaks to the culture. When you have a young Malik neighbors talking about II that speaks to the culture. There is no culture at either one of the teams, but specifically talking about the Giants right now. Your culture walked out of that locker room and he had 189 all our purpose yards and he was on the other side. So when you have a leader like that, when you have somebody who is a selfless teammate, one of the best teammates that I've ever had, and also one of the most talented players I ever played with in Saekwon, that's what happens. I played with Saekwon his first and second year. And yeah, he was young and he had some injuries, but you still could see the talent and you could still see the competitiveness. And you saw the competitiveness yesterday and he made it a point to truck people on the sideline to let that coaching staff know to let those fans know, hey, it wasn't me. It was everybody else on the other side. And that's what we saw. And it sucks that Daniel has to go through this, but he needs to change the scenery. He needs to get out of New York. He needs to find a different place where he can just get a reset where he can be reset and just have a refresh. You know, he needs that. And you saw, you saw the, I talked about it at the beginning of when we first started this at the beginning of the season, that Saekwon was going to have Penn State like numbers and he was going to give the Giants Hill. And that's because he was going to go play some, a place where there was more talent. And that's what you see right now in New York and it's, it's, it's, it's late in play yesterday, right? Uh, Darius slay or Darius Layton. Slay. Slayton did play. He did play. And he didn't get the ball a lot. Yeah, they just, uh, they just barely generated any yards at all. I mean, nobody really got the ball a lot. Darius Layton ended up in this game with one catch for 11 yards. How many targets? Uh, three. I mean, just coaching. Yeah. That's an interesting point you mentioned about how you don't really consider that the benching. Maybe they're protecting him from injury. Because Benny, that is the real context of this where if they are going to move on from Daniel next year, there is an injury kicker clause in his contract where he would get 23 million of his $30 million salary next year guaranteed. If he sustains an injury this year that prevents him from passing a physical in March. And actually Adam Schefter put a rare byline on a story a several weeks ago about the potential of that happening similar to like Russell Wilson and Denver of Daniel Jones may be getting benched in relation to that. And then they pull him from this game. So that's still a very real thing is that the exact reason why they did it on Sunday. We don't know that yet, but that is a part of the context here. So that's a really smart point by you. I wanted you to react to this quote from Saquan as well. I actually caught up. No surprise to you that he gave me after his press conference. He gives me six minutes one on one at his locker in the visitors locker room. It was very strange. Um, but first of all, he's in a great headspace. Benny, like he, he really is. He was so funny. He said, I'm mature now, Pat. I write things down in my daily planner. I'm focused on consistency. I was like, I'm impressed. But I asked him about what it was like seeing Daniel get benched. And he said, well, it sucks for me to hear the booze for him. And this is what he said to me. Fans don't get it. They give us a hard time. We know sometimes the games don't go like we would like, but Daniel works his ass off. He'll do anything for the organization to try to win a Super Bowl. He says, I know the fans are over it, meaning the losing. And the fans are tired of the BS and the same old stuff, but it's sad. Because there's guys who don't care in this league and there's guys who do care. And he's one of those guys. So it sucks to see that, but he'll shake back. What do you think of that comment about him at the end there about how there's guys who do and guys who don't and Daniel is one who does. Is that, is that a very real kind of description of not only the NFL, but also a reason maybe to appreciate Daniel beyond the numbers and the on field stuff. I mean, it's one of the things that why why people love DJ and you don't see at least his teammates. You don't see any of his teammates throwing him under the bus because they do know how hard he works. They know the attention to detail. Yeah, he is the first one in that building. He's the last one to leave. So yeah, it does suck. And it sucks, you know, to be a former teammate of his or in Saquon's, you know, in Saquon's eyes, you know, plan with DJ for maybe what six years or however long he was four or five years ago. Whatever it may have been. Yeah, it sucks for Saquon to see it. And Saquon can actually take a step back now. And he's on the other side of it and is in a thriving situation and can see that, you know, your hard work will actually pay off when you do have the proper roster and proper roster construction around you and a team and an organization that is looking to try to win. You know, regardless of the Philadelphia Eagles leadership, you can still see that there's a, it's a super talented team. Then Daniels never had a super talented team in New York, not at all. We've never looked at the roster since Daniels been there and be like, you know, this is a damn good roster. It's on the quarterback to take us to the promised land because everything else is in place. Right. So I just fall back on leadership. I fall back on roster construction. I fall back on culture just in terms of what I've seen as a player and what I've been able to be a part of the culture that we had in Denver when I was playing a patent. You know, I think, you know, Eli had incredible leadership when I was playing there. But our culture still stunk. It wasn't, it wasn't great. And then going to play with Sean Payton in 2020 and finishing up training camp in my career with Kyle Shanahan. I know what great culture looks like. I've seen it. I've been a part of it. So, I know, I know the Giants don't have it and you can tell. So, Benny, my, that's great perspective. My perspective, I don't think Joe Shane and Brian Davis should be the leadership of this team after this season. I frankly, as we sit here on Monday, October 21st, as we record here, this is one of those days where I'm constantly looking at my phone, sending texts and emails, wondering whether something's going to come down. Now, I don't know if a mid-season firing is going to happen, there's still many weeks left in the season. I wanted to ask you, you look at the jets, you mentioned them briefly about kind of the lack of leadership and culture there. Is the way that they are still dysfunctional and honestly look like an even worse team since Robert Sol is firing and Jeff Oberg takes over his interim. Is that an argument for why the Giants should not just fire Brian Dable early or mid-season, the way that I'm kind of advocating for based on what I see? Is that kind of a statement to listen, ride it out, let it go at the end of the season if it's time to change, pull the plug, but don't do it now? Or do you have to kind of block that out and say like our situations are on? Yeah, there's situation, the Giants' situation is their own and what's firing Dable actually going to do? It's not going to do anything. The Giants don't have a chance of making the playoffs, so it doesn't really matter to fire him unless you just want to see the team super miserable. So, yeah, there's no reason to actually fire him, nothing's going to change, no momentum will be gained and it doesn't really matter. Everybody, this is one of those situations right now in the Giants. Actually, that would I experience my two years in the Giants where everybody, every man for himself, this is everybody's playing for stats now, everybody's playing for contracts, everybody's, you know, "Oh, look at me, look at me." That's where it goes, you know, I've had some good mentors and friends tell me in the league, yeah, when you get to this point in the season right now, you know there's not a chance of the playoffs. It's all about you and that's what you're getting ready to see from the Giants. Yeah, no, that's a good point. So, really, you're saying the difference there is like Woody Johnson, the Jets owner, he's convinced himself that with some changes, they could still compete and be better, but you're saying the Giants have to be realistic that firing the coach or shaking anything up right now is not turning you into a contender this year, so why do it? Exactly, exactly, why do it? Got you, yeah, no, very interesting. Pivoting to the team that spanked the Jets on Sunday night. Benny, I think I, along with a lot of other people, and maybe you two were skeptical that a Pittsburgh team that looked pretty good just was inserting Russell Wilson seemingly for no reason. They thumped the Jets 37 to 15. After a shaky start, Wilson finishes 16 of 29, 264 at two touchdowns and this team is five and two right now with the Giants and a buy coming up. Did you like the end result of this decision from Mike Tomlin? How do you see the Steelers moving on from here? Does this make them a better team or are you kind of still watching and wait and see type thing? I think it's still a wait and see situation. I think that, you know, they do have a favorable matchup coming up with the Giants where they can get a nice win. The six and two heading into the buy, which is a great spot to be in in terms of midway through the season. They can get a little bit healthier, but their defense is incredible. Mike Tomlin is one of the best leaders. He proves to be right right now in terms of making that decision with the Russell Wilson thing, but I still don't think Russell Wilson, like he didn't go out there and win them that game. He made some really good throws in terms of the short red zone throws to the receivers and Pickens and Vance Jefferson. I thought those were great throws and I think that's where he is better than Justin Fields, where they will be in trouble. I think is later on down the road when they start to get into those division games is now we could still see that Russell Wilson can't get away from the pressure, and he still made some pretty bad throws and George Pickens made some pretty incredible catches last night. So I think the jury is still out. I think they do go end up going back to Justin Fields, maybe later on down the road because, yeah, I mean, Russell Wilson was still holding onto the ball. He still can't see over the line of scrimmage and, you know, some of these plays, I mean, just defense just stuck last night and they had a lot of people out. So, I'm not just sold on terms of, hey, Russell Wilson, he looks like how he was when he was in Seattle. He's back. Yeah, right. You know what's interesting. I was looking at the AFC playoff picture. Obviously, we're still only in week seven here and Baltimore and Tampa and Chargers, Arizona, still about to play on Monday night as we record here. On Monday afternoon. But Benny, to me, the AFC playoff picture feels like it's already set to me. I mean, you have the Chiefs at six and oh Houston five and two Pittsburgh five and two Buffalo five and two Baltimore four and two with a game to play. Chargers three and two with an extremely favorable schedule. And then really, there's that seven spot right now the culture in a four and three, maybe have Denver at four and three and Cincinnati at three and four, but am I crazy to say that like after that Miami Raiders, Jets, Jags were really in the AFC talking about seating at this point and maybe like the seven seed. Am I, am I off my rocker here? No, I mean, the AFC is definitely not as strong as we thought it was going to be going into the season. You know, Jacksonville has been in disappointment. The Colts aren't, aren't really all that good. But yeah, those teams, I think we can see a late surge from Cincinnati, but they got a hell of a schedule that remains in terms of all the division games that they have and then they have to stay healthy. So it's going to be a crazy finish. I think with just those top five to six teams and maybe Cincinnati's squeaking in there. But now we're looking at Kansas City, Baltimore and Houston, talking about who's going to buy for the home field advantage. Yeah, no, good point. And Kansas City, another impressive win, 28 to 18 over the Niners and by impressive, I don't mean pretty. I mean that they just know how to win. Like my homes go 16 of 27, 154 yards, two interceptions. But Benny, how about this? We talked about this last week to Kareem Hunt, 22 carries. This guy wasn't even on a team a couple of weeks ago, 78 yards. Two touchdowns and Steve Spagnolo, flustering Brock Purdy into three interceptions. Benny, is the Chiefs quiet superpower spags? Like it is the fact that they can just kind of get their way through. They don't have to go make that Devonta Adams type trade. You know, that they can just kind of weather the storm and win in the playoffs because as much as Andy Reid is deserving of praise and an exciting play call. Carson Wentz even played a snap in this game, by the way. Is Spaggs the secret superpower here? No, he's not the secret superpower because everybody knows about Spaggs and everybody understands what he brings to the table. I would say they just know how to win. They are just a great team now. And they're learning how to win. Now, what I will say is that Patrick Mahomes obviously has to be better, but he still doesn't trust. There are people open on these plays and he just doesn't trust these receivers to catch. I think there was one play at the beginning of the game where they run a little, we call it a bull's concept. That's where we used to call it Peyton, which you have a sit route and then you have a dig coming behind it. Okay. The beginning of the game, he doesn't throw it, ends up running for a first down, I believe. Second quarter, they run the same play. He throws it to Skymore and Skymore drops it. He's wide open. So, like, Patrick's in this point right now where he just doesn't trust. He trusts the tight ends. He doesn't trust any other receivers. He missed a deep bomb to exave your worthy, which I don't think he'll continue to miss. He missed another deep ball to Kelsey, but he's now he has to get to the point where he has to start to anticipate these throws, not throw it a whole bit of velocity, but start to anticipate the throws before they get out of the break. So now he has to take that next step into his progression. If I were him in the off season, I would be hitting up Tom Brady and Peyton Manning in terms of, how do I take the next step in my progression as a quarterback? But when we go back to Ken City Chiefs and who they are, they know how to win these games. And Tom Brady, one of the things that made him incredible, which I've talked to you about before, is that he will do whatever it takes to win the game. Yeah, 154 yards, two picks. Yeah, it looks nasty, but what about the 30 yard running at the end of the game? What about the small things that he does? What about him trucking the safety from San Francisco? So, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't look pretty right now. But he also isn't playing with all the weapons that he wants. Juju Smith, she gets hurt Xavier, not Xavier Worthy, but Marquis Brown, her, she writes out for the season. So, passion for home is still playing well with despite the weapons. I hope they got, they go out there and get Tyree Teal to bring him back. You know, Tyree Teal, I mean, you don't know about to his career and where he's going. He's not that good out there. That's being friendly. You're being generous to Miami there. 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Yeah, Tyree Teal, you know, bring him back, plug and play. Oh, I love it. When you say that Mahomes needs to start learning how to anticipate the throws, are you saying because these guys are dropping passes, he needs to take something off the throw and therefore throw it earlier? Or are you saying you see him waiting for the guy to uncover first and he needs to throw it before the guys actually open? He doesn't necessarily have to take anything off the ball. I mean, he could. I mean, like C.J. Shroud, you know, he anticipates his throws a little bit, but I would say just, it's more of just trusting, trusting these people getting it out of the brakes and hey, look at. Yeah, if you look at the TV copy of the film or not the TV copy, but the coaches copy of the film, there are plenty of people open. He has to. He's got to hit some of these people now. It's time for him just to take the progression up in his game. Very interesting, very interesting. So switching over to the NFC playoff picture, Benny, a little more interesting there. Unfortunately, seeing Jaden Daniels go down with a rib injury, hopefully not too serious sounds like he's getting further tests after initially. People said that it seemed like he was OK, but we have Detroit at five and one after an impressive win in Minnesota, Washington five and two Tampa four and two Seattle four and three Minnesota five and one Green Bay five and two Chicago four and two. And then behind that, you have the Eagles potentially finding some footing four and two. I think Atlanta is not a real team, but they're four and three Dallas is 500. Who knows. But then, Benny, like, San Fran is three and four. If they get healthy, who knows. And even the Rams, like getting this win. I mean, it's ugly. If they don't get guys healthy, they might just run out of time. But then getting this win being two and four. Like the West just seems really up in the air with kind of some of the better teams unhealthy and possibly surging down the finish. So I don't know if any of those teams kind of open your eyes to being challengers are kind of flipping the script in the NFC, whether it's San Fran, Rams, Philly, or maybe you disagree with me over the Falcons. But seems like there's more parity right now going on over there in the NFC. Yeah, definitely a lot of parity going on in the NFC. I'm not an Atlanta person in terms of believing that they'll make any type of noise. The NFC South is just a weird division. I just think Tampa is going to run away with that division. Dallas definitely isn't a real contender. I can't put my finger on the Eagles in terms of. What can I trust him later on down the road? I believe in their running game and I believe in Sequin. And I know they got incredible talent on the outside, but I don't know if I just believe Jalen hurts if he's got to go throw the ball more than 25 times. Like, can they really do it in terms of that offense. But yeah, if San Fran gets healthy, they can be a problem. But right now, I mean, you don't know if McCaffrey's coming back. They said, I you might have an ACL. So, you know, I think San Fran is just running up against just that the toughness of going deep into the playoffs back to back years and some of those injuries similar to Kansas City are catching up with them. You know, usually they've been the healthier team later on down the road, but I think the NFC was sort of self out after Thanksgiving in terms of who's going to play some really good ball Detroit is playing phenomenal. And they are just, they're just an absolute unit as a team in terms of the way they just, the way they flow, the play call in the way Jared Goff is playing, their receivers, incredible. They got to stay healthy though, and they need to trade for a pass rusher before it gets bad. Because right now, Sam Darnell did have a lot of time to throw and they did, but it was a tough win on the road. So, Green Bay, you know, Jordan left turns the ball over, but at the same time, he makes explosive play. So, yeah, we'll see, we'll see what it looks like down the road. For the record after you told us here on last week's episode of First Down With Benny Fowler, that you were already in the market as a lion for the pass rusher before Aidan Hutchinson went down. Now they needed to literally 12 hours after we posted that there was a report that the lions had checked in, I believe, on Hassan Redick or that situation. And so, we had already dropped his name, you had already kind of put it out there, that that was a need prior to the injury. So, way ahead of the curve there, they're definitely still in that market. I saw, I mentioned Miles Garrett, you told me I was crazy, but Zadariya Smith from Cleveland was a name that popped up on a report as a potential target there. And Deshawn Watson with the Achilles now, that team obviously a crumbling mess, and Mark Cooper's gone already traded, so that could be potential. Fire sale. Fire sale. I'll close with this. I know your time is valuable, but you mentioned the Detroit Lions wanted to dive into this for a few minutes. So, Benny, last week when they dismantled the Cowboys, David Montgomery, 12 carries 80 yards, two touchdowns, Gibbs had 12 carries as well in that game, but Montgomery kind of ruled the day in the running game. This game gives 19 touches, 160 yards, two touchdowns, including on the final game winning drive, three touches for 44 yards. Benny, are the Lions ahead of the curve of some other teams understanding that the NFL has kind of gone back to a run heavier offensive success type league. And not only investing in it, but having two guys who can control the line of scrimmage week in and week out is putting them kind of a leg up on a lot, a lot of the rest of the league right now. I wouldn't say the Lions are reinventing anything. What I think they've done really well is those guys up front. Don't get me wrong, David Montgomery is an incredible back and Jamar Gibbs, an explosive playmaker, but it starts with their offensive line. And you saw this or you see this when Sam Fran is healthy, incredible running game. When I played in New Orleans with Sean Payton, you had an Alba Kamara, and you had a Latavius Murray. So, the NFL has been like this, you have, you have had had explosive backs. I think it's just incredible to see it out of the Lions who, you know, have become, I would say one of the NFL's most fun teams and favorite teams to watch because of the unique play style, the unique play calling. But everybody's going to look at the running backs. All I look at is the offensive line because they are dominating literally every defensive line that they play. They are pushing people back. Every play, every run play is a positive run. It's three to four yards at the minimum. And then all of the misdirection with the motions and the zone cutting and Ben Johnson and the play calling, it all goes together. Yeah, the running backs, yes, they are the exciting people because they are carrying the ball, but it really just starts up front. So that's what they've done really well. Invest there. Yeah. And honestly, ever since we had the conversation last week where you said they need to go to Ben Johnson and pay him whatever he wants to make sure he stays because of the momentum that the offense and the team have that the chemistry he has with Jared Goff. I've been thinking more and more about that. And it's going to be an even bigger issue week to week now because you already have Robert Solafired, Brian Dable, Hot Seat, Gerard Mayo in New England. First year head coach just called his own team soft, which obviously reflects on him. You have Dennis Allen in New Orleans losing 33 to 10 at home to Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos where frankly I thought I saw some players quit on the field as well. That, you know, yes, those are all individual situations that are interesting in and of themselves, but I keep thinking about Ben Johnson and whether the Lions will be able to prevent him from leaving again. Because he was a big factor in that Washington hunt. He comes back. Can they keep it going and keep him here because he's really going to be in high demand. If I'm Dan Campbell, if I am the Ford family, if I am Brad Holmes, I am doing everything and I'm telling Ben Johnson hey, we will pay you like a head coach. We want you to stay here. We want you to continue to develop this culture with us. You are a leader within this organization. You can't lose a guy like that. We saw it in New England. Josh McDaniels goes to be a head coach for the Broncos first. Office is isn't the same. No Super Bowls goes back. Three Super Bowls goes to become the Raiders head coach. Then the offense becomes a shit show in Tom Brady retires. So that camaraderie, that chemistry, that means a lot to a quarterback. And I don't know, Jerry Gossum, like he's only incomplete at what, 12 to 15 passes over the last three weeks, which is insane to say. But that's because of the trust in the camaraderie and he believes in the play call coming from Ben Johnson Ben Johnson believes in him. So, you know, I wouldn't don't overestimate that stuff. Ben, this has been a lot of fun. Some of our viewers here on the Talking Ball with Patlon or podcast have commented on my YouTube page that this is their favorite recap of NFL action every week. Let's go. Let's go. That's because of you and all the insight you are bringing. It's excellent as always. Thank you so much for giving us your time again. And we'll look forward to breaking it down in week eight. Awesome. Appreciate your Pat. That was another awesome episode of First Down with Benny Fowler here on the Talking Ball with Patlon or podcast on the Believe Network. Remember to sign up with my bookie for your sports betting make the football season a winning season with my bookie. I went through three and oh against the spread this week's this week with my Pat's picks. We had the bills, the commanders and the Chiefs, all covering use the promo code Pat's picks for 100% match on your first deposit of $50 or more all the way up to $1,000 plus a $10 casino chip. Also boom chaga mushroom super drink a natural extract loaded with anti inflammatory immune boosting antioxidants and heart healthy compounds. 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And, you know, hey, sometimes we're full of it. And sometimes we're, we actually know a thing or two. Well, we do do a lot of research. At least I do. You, you little spotty, but you know, you're, you hang in there. It's fun. I love doing this and it's been awesome. Sims complete. Check us out wherever your podcasts are available on the Believe Network. Appreciate it. See you. If you liked the show, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe. It really does help the show to grow. Thank you for listening. [ Cheers and applause ] [BLANK_AUDIO]