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"Can Gut Bacteria Cure Chronic Fatigue?"
[music] Welcome to Listen2. This is Ted. The news was published on Saturday, October 26. Let's dive right into it. With us today are Eric and Kate. All right, Eric and Kate. Today we're talking about the increasing link between gut bacteria and chronic fatigue syndrome based on recent studies. Can you both help break this down for our audience? Sure, Ted, essentially the article highlights the connection between an imbalanced microbiome in the gut and the onset of chronic fatigue syndrome, also known as EMs, such as SFC. The study notes a significant increase in patients suffering from the syndrome, especially post-COVID. It's pretty eye-opening when you dig into the numbers and the implications. Yeah, Eric's right. But I want to emphasize that the condition involves a host of symptoms. Like severe fatigue, gastrointestinal issues, muscle pain, migraines, and cognitive difficulties. It's not just about feeling tired, it's truly debilitating. People might think it's just being overly tired, but the reality is far more complex and painful. What exactly are these microbiome disturbances the article mentions? Can we clarify what they involve? The disturbance refers to an imbalance in the trillions of microorganisms in our gut. Normally, they aid in digestion and send vital signals to other parts of the body. Certain bacteria like those producing butyrate are crucial for metabolism and immune regulation when this balance is off everything else can start falling apart. Right, but let's not forget the viral angle. The article notes that EMsFC often appears after viral infections like COVID-19. The disruption in gut bacteria may exacerbate or trigger these symptoms. It's like the aftermath of a storm, everything's just out of whack and trying to reset. Suzanne Vernon from the Bateman Horn Center talks about these gut disturbances persisting in some patients. Could you elaborate on this? Suzanne Vernon mentions that while many people's microbiomes return to normal after an infection, some experience lasting disturbances, this prolonged imbalance can lead to issues in other bodily functions. It's like a ripple effect where an initial disturbance in one area causes waves of problems in others. And that's why, as the article mentions, long COVID patients show similar symptoms to EMsFC. Estimates for long COVID sufferers in the U.S. range from 8 to 23 million. That's a message. The article also describes studies that show lower levels of butyrate producing bacteria in EMsFC patients. What's the significance of butyrate in this context? Butyrate is a short-chain fatty acid, vital for protecting the intestinal lining and regulating the immune system. The lower presence of these butyrate producers could explain the chronic symptoms. Think of it like a defensive barrier that, when weakened, allows all sorts of issues to break through. I agree with Eric. It's a big deal because without enough butyrate, the body struggles to maintain a healthy gut barrier, leading to systemic inflammation and other metabolic disturbances. They ensure a castle without its walls, leaving everything inside vulnerable. Brent Williams and Julia O provide insights into the roles these bacteria play. Any thoughts on their findings? Williams' work with Columbia University highlights a direct correlation between reduced butyrate producing bacteria and symptom severity in EMsFC patients. This connection could pave the way for targeted treatments in the future. True. And Julia O's study supports this by showing that recently diagnosed EMsFC patients have more severe microbiome degradation compared to those diagnosed over a decade ago. This suggests a timeline of worsening symptoms. Let's look at similar historical events. How does the current understanding of EMsFC compare to past medical mysteries? Eric, can you start us off? One comparable event is the 1980s emergence of fibromyalgia as a recognized condition. It took years for fibromyalgia to be acknowledged as a legitimate disorder despite widespread symptoms similar to EMsFC. The journey to acceptance was long and filled with skepticism. Absolutely, Eric. Additionally, the discovery of H. Pelori in the 1980s dramatically changed how we view stomach ulcers. Before that, ulcers were thought to be primarily caused by stress, not bacteria. It flipped the script on what we thought we knew. Why is it important to mention these past events in our discussion today? These historic cases show how long it can take for new medical theories to gain acceptance. The skepticism around EMsFC and its microbiome connection mirrors early fibromyalgia debates, patients and persistence are key in these scenarios. And the H. Pelori case underscores the importance of considering bacterial influences on various conditions. It took groundbreaking research to shift medical paradigms, much like what we're seeing with EMsFC. Can you both reflect on how these past cases might inform current research and treatment approaches for EMsFC? For sure, the delay in accepting fibromyalgia taught us the necessity of persistence in research and advocacy. Scientists and patients must continue pressing for more studies to validate their experiences. The H. Pelori discovery taught us not to dismiss bacterial links too quickly. Just as treatments for ulcers transformed after accepting bacterial roles, EMsFC treatments could evolve with more emphasis on the microbiome. How did the broader medical community's response to these past cases affect public perception and treatment options? With fibromyalgia, slow medical acceptance led to delayed treatments and years of patient suffering, public perception was one of skepticism and misunderstanding, which was a huge barrier to proper care. The same went for ulcers' pre-H. Pelori discovery. People resorted to drastic measures like surgery unnecessarily. Public and medical recognition of bacterial causes changed everything, opening new treatment avenues. So what lessons can current EMsFC patients and researchers draw from these historical comparisons? Keep pushing for microbiome-focused studies and treatments, historical reluctance can be challenged with persistent evidence-based research. Don't take no for an answer. Right. And patients should advocate for being taken seriously. The sooner the medical community recognizes the gut's role, the faster we can develop effective treatments. Looking forward, what do you both think are the potential ways things could unfold for EMsFC and microbiome research? Eric, your thoughts first? If the research continues, we might see early stage interventions that prevent EM out SFC progression, probiotics and microbiome-focused diets could become standard treatment protocols. Prevention is often easier than a cure. Alternatively, if the research stalls, we could face prolonged skepticism and delay in effective treatments. This would mean continued suffering for millions, especially in the face of increasing long COVID cases. There's potential for public health policies to promote early diagnosis and gut health as preventive measures. Funding for microbiome research could increase significantly, leading to broader acceptance and quicker implementation of new treatments. But if the studies don't get enough support, policies might not change significantly. We'll struggle with reactive rather than proactive health measures, leaving many of these developments integrate with current medical practices. Ideally, integration involves training health care professionals to recognize gut health's impact on chronic conditions. This could reduce misdiagnosis and improve patient care. It's about making the connection clearer for frontline practitioners. On the flip side, without integration, there could be a further disconnect between emerging research and actual medical practices. Patients might have to rely on self-experiments and non-regulated treatments. What role do you see for patient advocacy in shaping the future landscape of EM-SFC treatment? Patient advocacy will be crucial, grassroots movements can push for necessary funding, and more studies. Patient stories can highlight the need for medical acknowledgment. Exactly. Patient voices have historically been powerful in driving medical change. Without their advocacy, the urgency for research and new treatments might diminish. Finally, what are the broader societal implications if we find a conclusive link between microbiome health and diseases like EM-SFC? Finding a conclusive link could revolutionize how we view gut health in relation to overall health, possibly leading to a preventive healthcare renaissance. It's a potential game-changer. Conversely, failure to find a link could entrench existing healthcare challenges. Leaving many chronic fatigue sufferers in limbo without definitive answers or treatments. Thanks for sharing your insights, Eric and Kate. That wraps up our discussion on the link between gut health and chronic fatigue syndrome. Stay tuned to listen to for more enlightening discussions.