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We never did this before. We don't know what's going to happen. They have flown from Canada, California, Florida, all across the nation to be here for the big event tonight and to hang out with us right now. It's amazing. We are, we're really, really excited to see everybody who is here and welcome them to take part in our episode. But do keep in mind, we are not live. Right. Okay. We are recording live. Yes. We are here at the Hall of Fame and Museum before the actual induction ceremony happening later this evening. But that's okay. We got lots to talk about. We've got guests to talk with. We've got all of our pod squad visitors here to join us. See what's on their mind. And we've got a lot of ground to cover. Today's show. We're going to take a look at the 2024 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame class. Of course, we're going to be talking to Rock Hall president Greg Harris. He always joins us for these events. He'll be joining us in just a bit before we get to all of the guests and talk with our pod squad fans here at the Rock Hall. We should probably run down the class of 2024. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. Yeah, we'll be looking closer at some of these with our, our audience here and sort of running down what's important about all these folks. Why they're going into why they're receiving Rock and Roll's highest honor. Right. That's what this is all about. We're going to discover why. Why? What are these people doing here on this list in the performers category going in this year? A tribe called Quest, Mary J Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Cool in the gang, Aussie Osborne. That's the performers category. Right. So those are the ones that went out to on the ballot to all the voters and then being inducted in the musical excellence category are Jimmy Buffett, the MC5, Dion Warwick and Norman Whitfield, the Motown songwriter, producer and being inducted in the musical influence category, John Mayall, Big Mama Thornton and Alexis Corner. And finally, the Ahmed Erdogan award this year goes to a longtime Motown executive Suzanne to pass. 16 inductees in all part of the celebration, aside from the ceremony itself, is the new inductees exhibit. And Alan and I got a chance to wander through their yesterday afternoon. And it is, it's the exhibit that has the artifacts of the current inductees. Right. Every year they put together an exhibit of stuff from the class that's going in that year. They did a big, big reveal. And we should say, especially when I love when the ceremonies in Cleveland, it's so much more fun. It's better. It's better. Nothing against New York, nothing against LA. But it's, you know, it's a big show and like another big celebrity night in New York or LA in Cleveland. It's a bigger deal to the community. It gets to tie into the museum. You have the inductees and the artists and all, you know, the previous inductees and everybody passing through and joining. There was a big plaque ceremony yesterday that a bunch of the artists came out for that. Even share, even, well, share it. She didn't go out in the, in the public part, but she did come through the building. She was here. And yeah, these, we saw the inductee, the, the, the exhibit of stuff from the new inductees. I would say the things that's, I mean, the share outfits, like, what are you going to say? What are you going to say? It's incredible. Line up a couple of those. And I know you were very excited. Well, not just a Peter, not just a talk box, right? I was joking. Not just, of course they have Peter Ferranton and some of his famous outfits, but they have not just a talk box, not just, but it's, he wrote on it. This is the one I used on Frampton comes alive. It is the actual talk box that's the real one. Read that. It's here in the rock. So that one you are, I know you were excited to see. That was, why was it joking? I was like, Oh, there's Peter friends guitar. There's what he wore. They should have that thing. He's drooling things in his mouth. Oh, there it is. I'm hoping he comes to get it today and uses it for his entire acceptance speech. How awesome would that be? I feel next to that. The thing that got me the most excited was his guitar that is on the cover of Fred. Right. It is the replica that was because he does use still the actual Phoenix guitar. This was the one that was built when that one was missing. Right. You know, amazing story. Well, we'll talk about Peter for a minute. That one. And we locked the cool in the gang, space alien costumes. That was, that was amazing. That was amazing. So that's super fun. And we should just mention really quick, not Hall, not Hall of Fame related, but here in the museum, there is an exhibit celebrating the 40th anniversary of 1984. Oh, right. A year that's important to both of us. And we got to take pictures of Mark Goodman next to a picture of the MTV VJs in 1984 that's on the wall here at the Hall of Fame. So it should be not that Alan Light is also a part of the exhibit. It is a quote from Alan Light that is right there at the entrance to the exhibit. So this is the thing. It is fun when the ceremony is here and you can come and hang out, see the new exhibits, check in with what's going on at the hall and remind yourself this isn't, you know, we talk about this a lot. We talk about the Hall of Fame a lot. This is not this once a year event. You know, you were saying this yesterday, that part of what's been fun about being able to come back and do this coverage is realizing what this institution is, what happens here, you know, all year round, that it's not like, Oh, there's a TV show and then you wait till there's a new list of inductees that you can complain about next year. Right. So the seeing what's going on here, and we'll talk when Greg Harris is here, there's a big expansion effort going on. They broke ground for, you know, to build a bunch of new exhibition space here. So just as an ongoing concern, all the important stuff that the museum is doing in addition to the fun part of the, the induction and people, it's what I was saying to Alan was that it was really cool over the years that we've been coming here to get to see how cool this place really is. And you sort of, Oh wow. So you see Peter Frampton's guitar. It is so much more than that. It really is. There is so much more. I mean, too, it's artifacts. That's what it's about. And if you love rock and roll some of these artifacts, like they have, we saw it a couple of years ago in the vault, but like lyrics, Bruce Springsteen lyrics and a spiral note, which are out in the 84, the board of the USA lyrics are now out for this, this exhibit. So I mean, that kind of stuff is just really, really amazing to see. It really is. And you don't know which artifact is going to just speak to you on at any given moment. We were walking through last night and Neil Geraldo's BC rich Eagle guitar was just sitting there. And instantly, I just, my brain went back to certain videos where that guitar was used and live cuts. And it just, you know, these things are just like these. They're more than just artifacts. They, they are tied to specific memories that all of us have. And as you walk through the hall and it starts triggering those things, it's really fascinating. Yeah. The idea that the things that you have seen pictures of, right, you know, things you've seen in the movie, here they are. And it really, it does make you feel closer to this, this music that you love. And that's what, and I wouldn't have realized how cool this place is had I not been able to come here. And that's why I'm excited to be able to tell everybody it's worth it. We're like, stop in Cleveland. If you're driving, take a stop, it's worth it. And it's why it's great. You know, our listeners who have made this pilgrimage, a lot of them made it before, a lot of them making it for the first time. And continuing to sort of spread the gospel of what all this work is and why, and understanding more about it's not just, you know, this sort of random list of here's some rock stars we're going to give them a prize. But you know, that it's a piece of this ongoing thing that they're building here. So should we start to get into some of some of the folks that are being honored at the ceremony as well. You want to start off with Peter Francis, who Alan Light knows quite well. As a matter of fact, having worked on the memoir, I did work on his autobiography. Do you feel like I do with him at the pleasure and the honor of that? And Peter is so super excited about getting inducted. And he was around the hall yesterday, the day before the ceremony, doing some stuff. And it's this, you know, a long and esteemed career that starts very young, taken under the wing of Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones as a young teenager, met and started to knock around with David Bowie at school on the steps of their, of their, of their school, joins puts together the band The Heard at age 16, then is drafted to go join humble pie, work with Steve Marriott after that goes on to a solo career that of course culminates in 1976 with Frampton comes alive, which was to say the, you know, the biggest album of all time, the biggest album of the year with show me the way with do you feel like I do with the baby? I love your way. It was everywhere. Very everywhere. Very everywhere. The craziest rocket ship ride that wasn't out of nowhere, of course, but seemed to a lot of people out of nowhere to become the biggest star in the world to crash coming out of that and then to bounce back to really reestablish himself as a guitarist for the, to win a Grammy, you know, for instrumental work like that. I think that seemed to, when we talked to him, right when these inductees were announced or the nominees, he seemed really especially excited about that part. I think that was so bit that having gone through the teen idol thing. Yeah. Yeah. To, you know, and then to suffer the backlash of that and then to really be recognized for his guitar playing, which is all he ever wanted to do in the first place. And he really credits Bowie with that that when David, you know, at a low point in Peter's life, when David took him out on the glass spider tour, featured him, spot lit him that way and really reintroduced him to the world as a player that opened up this whole other direction in his career that's, you know, where he continues to thrive. I just saw him at the Beacon Theatre a few weeks ago as we know he's battling health issues, but still playing his ass off and a really, you know, a remarkable career. He couldn't be happier about getting this recognition. We talked to Peter when he learned that he was becoming a member of the class of 2024 for the Hall of Fame. We wanted to play a little clip of that. I got a lovely congratulatory email from someone that I didn't know who he was when I first met him, but I definitely did afterwards. And that was Glenn Johns, the engineer. And I met him through Bill Wyman when I was 13. And it just made me think, good Lord, it's 60 years since I went into the studio with Bill Wyman and Glenn Johns with the preachers and had my first professional session, you know, and it's I blame them. Bill and it's always awful. This is always awful. But it makes me think, good Lord, that's 60 years ago, you know, and I haven't stopped. I might not have been on the tip of everybody's tongue for all those years, but for a lot of them. And I don't give up whether it's a career, a falter, or if it's a disease, it doesn't matter. I never have given up. And I just keep going, you know, and doing my thing. And I think along the way, I learned that that I'm an artist. I'm not an image, not a face. And I'm very proud of what I do. And this to me is for a lifetime's worth of career. And I believe that it's so humbling. And as this is an audience event, we have some pod squad members here who are big Frampton fans. We want to hear from them. And want to welcome Mark and Christine to the sound up stage over here. Right. See, we swear, we told you that there was fans here. There really are Mark and Christine, come on in. Hey, you guys welcome. Hey, thank you. Thanks for breaking the fourth wall and coming in the studio here. So, yeah, so tell us you, you, you signed up for the Peter Frampton slot here. So what's your connection? What's your, what's your history? Well, my mother actually saw him on the Frampton comes a live tour. So that's her screaming on that? Yeah, she said she got in pretty close. Yeah. So, yeah. So, so I've been hearing about it for years. She was, she was such a big fan. She was so excited that he's going to be inducted. Yeah. So, so you were driving home in the car from school, she's jamming it on the absolute money, a track. Yeah, a track. We had the album playing at the house. We had, yeah. So, yeah, it's all, yeah. It's great. Yeah. Was that like your intro to, to rock and roll early? Well, she, she was always a big rock and roll fan growing up. So I was, we were always listening to Zeppelin and Floyd and her, you name it, we were listening to it. And then, you know, I got into the 80s music and she's like, ah, this is, this is okay, but my stuff was better. So, but yeah, it was always great. Yeah. And, and I still love that stuff today too. Right. Right. Christine. I'm like probably more of like a more recent fan if you want to call it that because my parents are not into rock and roll when I was a kid. But I really enjoyed we read books every month and we have a book club for music and we read the book that Alan helped write and just like the fascinating story of his life and you know, just about like losing his guitar and getting it back. And then, and also just like the bounce back, like even, even like the future. I don't want to gloss over that story because I don't think everybody knows the story of that guitar. The Phoenix guitar. Yeah. So the guitar that's on the cover of Frampton comes alive. That Gibson with the white outline black guitar with the white outline, which is the same guitar that he played on the humble pie film or album that was their breakthrough and a legendary album. A plane with all of his gear went down in the crash in South America. I was going to say like in the jungle. Yes, in South America. And he he was not on the plane, but you know, the all the stuff went down in the big fireball. The assumption was all that stuff had burned up and was lost forever. And it turns out that there's this long, you know, complicated story of it was thrown from the runway, but it was intact and some kid found it and sold it to a music shop. And then they traded it to another pawn shop. And then somebody ended up with it and somehow figured out and decades later gets in touch with Frampton to say, we think we have your guitar. It's like out of nowhere gets this call. And it was even longer because like the whole like switching back and forth of countries and kind of almost like, Oh, yeah, yeah, it's going from Argentina to Chile or whatever, you know, all of this stuff. And then, and then there's this whole like, A, is this true or is this a scam? Right? B, how do we negotiate? Like he's bringing in, you know, the FBI, yeah, to like, is this some crime ring that like ended up with this and has this legit? And they have to negotiate this drop and he gets the thing and then they have to do the analysis. So it's an amazing story. But he ends up with that guitar getting plays it continues to play it. So that runs as this sort of every few chapters in the book and update on an update on, okay, now it's gotten to hear, you know, so yeah, unbelievable story was going around the world. So were you, did you know anything beyond sort of for there was Frampton comes alive before you guys read the book? I had, but it's almost kind of like, you know, I think the will to power song, I think is the first one I heard about it. Oh, and one of the things I really liked about that was like, you know, some people would say, Oh, you know, you basically took, you know, our song and and and you know, you didn't pay us the royalties and that. And then he and Leonard Skinner got them later. But you know, for him, he's like, I needed the money at the time. So I was actually relatively grateful that they had this hit of number one. So you know, I think it just goes to show like, like putting the humble and humble pie kind of thing that he really like, you know, he's like other people might have been mad or something. And he's like, for me, it was just like the best thing that happened at the time because I needed it. Right. And even just through the whole through line of him being just so grateful, like he can still tour, you know, and still being able to get a farewell tour. And now he's back again, you know, he can play still. And, you know, he just seems so grateful for everything for somebody, you know, a lot of people from the 70s that were like big stars from there, they wouldn't be able to say that, you know, all these years later. Yeah, and he seems to be one of the ones that's like the most excited to be here for this of everything that I've seen. I was like, there's other people that are excited, but then there's Peter Frampton excited. Well, people have seen the recent tour. He always starts with this montage of him over the years. And then it ends with Bowie saying on guitar, Peter Frampton. But now after that, he puts up the rock and roll Hall of Fame, you know, the logo thing. That's what brings him on stage, even prior to the ceremony. He said like vote for me, right? Yeah, every show. Oh, yeah, he was working it. And the post squad, you know, we saw him yesterday and a bunch of others when they did the plaque in front of the wall call, they did the plaque for reveal. And he was like, he was just like, he he was ready. He had like notes on his phone and stuff. And like, you know, then Dave Matthews gets up there and just kind of wings it sounds about right. He seemed pretty prepared. You know, he's been kind of campaigning slowly for years. Right. Mark, thank you guys. Thank you guys. Yeah, you know, you make there's a role in this applause from applause from the crowd going with their own out there. All right. Thank you guys. Alright, so we got another artist who is getting in this year, John Michael Ozzie Osborne. He's already in the rock hall, of course, his member of Black Sabbath. But now being recognized for his solo work, which I think is pretty important to him. He said that that's he feels like the bigger part of his career. Since his first solo release Blizzard of Oz in 1980, Ozzie has released 13 studio albums, including his most recent 2022 patient number nine became a household name with MTV's The Osborne's one of the most outrageous sitcoms I've ever seen. But Ozzie definitely is one of the first artists to leave a band at its height and wind up as a solo artist being even bigger, which is why as a solo artist, he should be invited into the rock hall of fame. I know I've told you this. One of my favorite things ever was I was I had lunch with Sharon Osborne back when I was editing spin and we had lunch and she's like, after this, I don't know, I was meeting over at MTV and they have this stupid idea. They want to do this show. They want to put cameras in our house and like, I don't know. It seems like, why would we want to do that? Um, like, I don't know. Maybe give it a shot. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go have the meeting and see. And yeah, and then, you know, history was made the next hour later. There's a little fact by the way, ladies and gentlemen, on the advice of Alan, like the odds that you should hear them out. Not my, not my idea. Of course, another thing, Ozzie long known for is surrounding himself with remarkable talent, including Randy Rhodes, who was inducted into the rock hall recently, but has also worked with Zach Wild, who I know some of our pod squad members ran into over lunch the other day. No, Jake Lee in the headlines recently for getting shot while walking his dog last week seems to be okay. Thank God. Andrew Watt, common apiece, Rudy Sarso on and on. Of course, they started Ozzfest in 1996, another sort of transformative moment for heavy music. So Ozzie going in as solo artist, we have Cheryl and Dave to talk about Ozzie and them. And yeah, again, looking at just the solo Ozzie, not Sabbath. What, what's why are you here to champion this dude? For me, it's a lot to do with, as you mentioned, the people who surrounded him. People like Bob Basley. Bob Basley is so important. And then Ozzie just did what he did. He's not the best vocalist, but, but he's the most Ozzie vocal. He's the most Ozzie. He is. He is the ultimate Ozz. So, you know, that's why he deserves to be there. When was the first time you saw him? Well, that would have been back with Sabbath with Sabbath and that and probably some with Sabbath a couple times in that did see his solo show. And that's when he had Randy Rhodes with him and which was like, you know, Randy Rhodes as someone who loves guitar, it's just ultimate seeing him with, with Randy Rhodes. Yeah. I'm going to put you on the spot just because, you know, I like to think about, if you go in the rock and roll Hall of Fame, it's not just, oh, he was good. He made some records I like, like it's got to be, there's got to be some way that like they change the game that things are different because this person, this act, this artist was out there making music. What do you think? What does Ozzie change in the story of rock and roll? I think that you can't go to a sporting event in the United States without hearing crazy training. And I think that's iconic in itself. I was fortunate enough to be able to see Ozzie with Randy Rhodes. I've seen him play with Zach. I saw him with Jake Lee. It goes back to the amount of talented musicians that he has had in his band. If you look at who's played in his band, it is a who's who of metal and heavy metal musicians. It's it's incredible. To your point, Bob Daisley is incredible. Ozzie is not a prolific songwriter to say the least. A lot of people around him have helped him with the songs. Phil Suzanne, Lee Kurslick, Bob Daisley, all these people are part of that Ozzie legacy. And I'm looking forward to see how they're recognized tonight. And I'm also looking forward to seeing this all star band that has been put together to honor him. It's going to be incredible, including Alan, our friend, Jelly Roll. Yes, that's right. Jelly Roll, a piece of that, which is a manor and manor part of it. That's right. So stoked about manor. You know, it's funny. You mentioned he's not the most prolific. When you see 13 solo studio albums, I know that number. It's more of a body of work than you think. It's tremendous. Yeah. And you know, he's one of the first heavy metal solo stars. I mean, you had some metal bands back then, but he's the first one to step out as a soloist and go out there and do what he did. And also, you know, he comes out of Sabbath. He's this heavy metal guy, but also some beautiful ballads, some really interesting things. And a lot of that had to do with, you know, he's a big risk taker. He's a massive Beatles fan. You know, he's got, you know, and in recent years, he's worked with Elton John. He's worked like people really have a lot of respect for us. He's, he's become like an elder states. Absolutely. At this point, Cheryl, I'll talk about how do you think about the that the Sabbath versus the solo distinction? What's different for you and what? I think Aussie solo expanded his audience very much so. I think there were people that would never listen to black Sabbath who might consider listening to Aussie because of exactly what you're talking about because of those collaborations because he was more out there. And so I think he, I think he expanded things even for heavy music, right? Because, because he brought in people who would have never listened to, to black Sabbath. And I do think he's, he's the guy, obviously with the band, but he's the guy who came up with all this dark shit. You know, he is the guy who is 70. Yes, the whole, the whole imagery, the whole iconography. Doom. That was in first. He deserves it. We're going to take a quick break here. When we come back, we'll be joined by more audience members. And next, we're going to talk about another Hall of Fame inductee. 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Join me on this incredible journey where will dive deep into spirituality, astrology, channeling fitness, the divine feminine, numerology and various spiritual modalities. And each week you'll receive invaluable insights and interviews that are going to bring you closer to that version of yourself that you want to achieve. Expect captivating interviews with experts. Deep dives into metaphysical concepts and practical advice to ignite your creativity and boost your personal growth. I'm your host, Alita Mago. I'm Portofag, mystical podcast. Listen to Portofag, mystical on Pandora app Apple podcast Spotify or your favorite platform. All right. Welcome back. This is sound up. We are recording live at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. This on the day of the induction ceremony for the class of 24. And our pals, pod squad members, Dina and Jan are in. Hello, you guys. Hello, guys. We're bouncing through talking about some of the different acts who are being inducted as part of the class of 2024. And we got a hole like a whole, like a I will describe them in excruciating detail. But we know you guys wanted to step up and talk about foreigner. Yeah. So I'll jump in. Okay. So I can't even remember what part of the 80s it was. It was late 80s. I get a call from my mother who my entire life listened to classical music in the car. I did not have parents who were my influences for my rock love of music and all that. And I had to kind of find it on my own. So my mother calls me into nowhere and says, I think I'd like to go see foreigner. And I said, you'd like to go see a foreigner. And she says, no, foreigner. And then we did that, you know, who's on first thing for a while. And I said, Oh, wait a minute. You mean the band foreigner? She says, yes. And I said, all right. Well, okay. And I looked and they were playing at this club that is like the size of this board in Manhattan Beach, this teeny tiny little club. And it was a bar, actually. And so my mom and I went to see foreigner. And I just remember thinking, this is so cool. And then I come to find out that like all these other people go to concerts with their parents. And I thought it was this totally rare, like rare fight moment. What did she hear that made her want to do this? I think she heard on kiss FM when she was floating through the stations. She heard that best of album that came out in the 80s. And she probably heard jukebox hero or something. And all of a sudden decided that she was ready to move from the Kingston Trio and Bach to foreigners. It was a pretty big leap. But you know what? She's bold. And it's really, but it took it. That became the beginning of her. So where were you at with foreign earth? I already knew who they were. I loved them forever and had never thought that I would go with my mother to see foreigner. I knew all the songs. I knew all the words. But it was cool. Is it it let her start to give her the doorway to listen to music that I listened to. She got into a pet shop boy. She got into Phil Collins. And she, yeah, and until it was really great to get her to get her do that. I don't know if you talked about it. I don't know why do you think that that's what registered with her? It met my mom. It could be just. Okay. Yeah. But just to get. But it sort of gets at the like, again, why are these guys going being recognized in this way? Exactly. What is it that connected with her word? The other thing did right. And I think what it was is they were super accessible. And I think that that's what let. I mean, I know for me, that's what it was as I understood it. And their songs made sense. And I felt like they were talking about me. But for her, I think she knew that I liked them. Was this Lou Graham still? Yes. Okay. Yes. All right. So you talked about the real foreign. We saw the real foreigners. We saw the real foreigners. That was just you. We have like a love affair. No, it's one of those. Where do I start? I should be the one inducting now. You've got your speech ready if they need somebody to jump up if they need someone to fill in. I'm your girl. Seriously. So yeah, my love affair started when I was nine years old on the second album. So and I finally got to see them for the first time in 1985 on. And it's so every time I say this, the agent provocateur tour, which is their best album. You know, I would agree with you on that because there are so many amazing songs on that album. Right? Yeah. Well, between that one and four. Yes. Like girl, I mean, you know, woman and black. I mean, you're talking of and then if you go back to the first and second album, you got Star Rider. There's so many other songs. It's kind of like you hear the staples on the radio. If you dive deep into their catalog, it's amazing. So can you talk a little bit about even though people can't actually see this? This one is not going to look great on YouTube. But she came with props. I came with props. Yes. So I was 16 years old when I was actually able to see Forner for the first time. And it was my brother that went with me, Mitch, and my his girlfriend, Lori, and another friend of mine, Sherry. And we used to get cakes made to go backstage. And so everybody's got their tricks. Yeah. All right. That's a new one. Oh, you know, but but the thing is, is it was all sweet and innocent. And so we were these kids at the door and, you know, 16 and my brother was 15. And so we're standing at the door going, please, sir, can we have some more, you know, that kind of thing just where we're standing in the door and a heavy down. And that's it. You know, and they gave us passes and we went backstage. McJones was amazing. The Grand was amazing. Rick Wills was amazing. And so was Dennis Elliott. And that was the fourth staple players at that time. So it was just it. They were an influence on me since I was a kid to be in the music industry to get into radio to do PR and promotion. So these guys have always been around. And I will carry the flag proudly for them till I die. And I'm going to ask you like I just asked the last guy. So these are they're one of those bands in the 80s and they had the hits and, you know, all that, you know, but why this honor for them? What is it that is was special that, you know, changes the playing field that foreigners should, you know, get this kind of recognition, you know, it's funny. You should say that because there were branded corporate rock. And that seems to be like a, you know, no, no, you know, in this industry. So when journey got in and then you get, you know, you had like death leopard and that there's always hope for these bands like sticks or and I know it's like, well, these are, you know, corporate rock bands. They had all these hits. It does. They're still part of people's lives. Well, to that point, we were walking around the museum yesterday afternoon and they have the fan vote, which admittedly it's one vote when it comes down to the final tally. Yep. But still important in terms of what, you know, the crowd loves sticks was number two in the fan vote. I should just jump in to say as a member of the nominating committee, when you come to the hall, you can vote on a screen for who you think should go in and it gives up to the minute tallies and all that. And Greg Harris, who's going to be joining us does make a point at every nominating committee meeting to present here were the top 10 that visitors voted for just so that people are aware of this, that that is a data point in the conversation. So all this stuff does, you know, it does matter. It does show up in different ways. I think one of the things, I'm sorry, one of the things that I think was so great that you were able to explain to us every year, Alan, when you came in and took a beating every single year was how that fan vote worked. But I think it's so great that the rock hall even, even minimally is recognizing that if there were no fans, there'd be no rock hall. Right? I mean, this is really a testament to who we are. And I think that it's, it's like you said, those bands are part of people's lives and they connect with people emotionally. And back to what you were asking about, I think when you were asking about my mom and what I connected with, there's something in those songs that gets inside of us. And it makes us feel things and, and, and associate things and people who have trouble communicating can use music to help them deliver their messages. And I think that's really the most important thing that happens with music. Yeah. All right. Thank you guys. Great job. Yes. Big applause. Once again, big applause recognize your, your fans out here with that. Oh, all right. Really is big applause going on. You know, and now we've been talking about how it takes maybe one band to open up the doors for others. Sure. Just like the cure did for a lot of the bands. Once the tour got in that kind of flood, that sort of post punk thing, can I make that flood for 80s music that I want to get in. Well, I do think, I do think journey was that in that, you know, within that space of saying that that territory is something that I mean, it's a free band has to go in. But that's a piece of the story. If you look at the Hall of Fame, if you, the idea is that you look at this wall of these names and this is telling you a story of how this music evolved, changed, mattered to people. Here's what happened that those are dots you need to connect, pieces you need to fill in on that map. We forget one important point about Mick Jones. He is a stellar producer. You wouldn't have 5150 from Van Halen. Right. Right. You wouldn't have a lot of these albums that he produced in the late 80s. Yeah. So Mick Jones, foreigner, and I wish he was going to be here. We, yes, we wish so, but, you know, the health issues are significant. So we'll see. All right. Thanks, you guys. Thanks for having us. All right. Well done. All right. We are, as promised, we are going to be talking to Greg Harris. He's going to be joining us a little bit later. Should we do? Should we run down the list and sort of talk about everybody that's going in quickly at this point before? Yeah. Before Greg arrives. This is the Greg who, if you've been listening to us over the years, you know, Greg Harris, president of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum, will be joining us to talk about the show and about the museum itself and all of the construction that's going on out there. Yes. Whole new thing happening. But so you want to sort of lightning round through the, the, all right, everybody that's going in. We'll just, I'll tell you what, I'm going to go through the performers. Should I put you on the spot and get you to do a sentence about each other? Well, don't make me do every one of them. You got to do some of them. So in the performers category, going in this year, first up is a tribe called Quest. And by the way, we were hearing yesterday how great they are live. They're going to be performing tonight and they are curled rush. Well, and with those people, we'll see with a bunch of guests, a bunch of their peers and contemporaries. So it's a memorable one. Look, I think tribe opens up a whole movement of that more, call it more conscious more Afro centric, a different movement that happened in the late 80s within hip hop. There's Della soul, there's Queen Latifah, there's the actual native tongues movement, but beyond that, the sort of expansion of the things that hip hop talked about, bringing in jazz elements and different kinds of sounds, and really altering the canvas of what this music sounded like and spoke to. I like when you refer to the way the reasons for people being inducted as telling a story. And that is a great part. I think that's important because I think a lot of these people like, I want my band in because I like their record. There's a lot of bands that we like their records. If this is the elite of the elite, you know, baseball hall of fame, they talk about the top 1% is who goes in. If you're a good player, you're a really good player, you're not a hall of fame player. Right. You're a good band and you had some hits. That's great. You have fans. You're not a hall of fame band. There is there is something and everybody uses their own thing. To me, it is this notion of how did they change the story? What are they? Mary J Blige. Mary J Blige, in some ways to me is if I could vote for one person out of this whole list, Mary J Blige might be the one that I vote for because I feel like if you turn on the radio right now, Mary J Blige set the blueprint for what that sounds like. Now we take for granted, hip hop and singing, you know, melody put the world was divide. There was hip hop and there was R&B and soul singing and they didn't really like each other. There was like Anita Baker over here and you know, LL over and you know, how revolutionary it was that, you know, the queen of hip hop soul brought those things together that you had rapping and singing coexisting on a record that you had that kind of soulful singing over those more aggressive sorts of beats that it brought R&B singing to a younger audience. She laid a path that today is I think as important on what pop music sounds like as any other figure. She was personal. Her songs were deeply personal, deeply revealing, which she was way ahead of her time on that and a female voice in that hip hop space. It was important. I think share you want to talk share you share. It's interesting. We all know about the controversy of her getting in. I think she deserves to be in for that reason. We're telling a story. Sunny and share is that's certainly part of the story, but in the same, in the same way that Aussie kind of blew up outside of his band, share really became a bigger star after Sunny and share this stat. The only solo artist with a number one single on a billboard chart in seven consecutive decades, seven decades, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, odds, 10s, 20s. Right. That's pretty astounding. Stop check, please. Dave Matthew is bad. Look, if you're going to, again, talk about changing the story, the second wave jam band movement, start, you know, there's the dead, right, then there's still the dead. And then there's what's become the 21st century, you know, jam band. And then that whole scene that that community that's going to open the door for like fish, fish, you know, and those things come up. But just how big, you know, that world is that he became a stadium filling band. You may hate that music, but you that the impact is undeniable. And I have to say without, you know, actually stopping and thinking about the numbers is like, wow, Dave Matthews already. 25 years get there. And again, the stats. I don't have it in front of me. But nine consecutive number one albums for a rock band in the 21st century, something like eight or nine. That's nobody touched that. Foreigner, we just talked about conversation. We already we kind of covered cool in the gang. And there was talk about controversy. There was people going, wait, wait, wait, cool in the gang and the rock and roll hall of fame. Look, there's a long tradition, obviously, from Motown from stacks. The, you know, the representing the R&B side has been built in. And that's what always drives me crazy when people resist. Right. Same area, Jay Blige. Like, well, do you want? Would you put the Supremes in? Exactly. And if you would put the Supremes in, where do you like, what's where's the line? You know, at what point do you say, well, okay, that, but this is two pop. It's not rock and roll. And cool in the gang. First of all, plenty rock and roll, by the way, when you, the, the, the funk on those guys and the, I mean, the 70s was one thing for those guys. The 80s was mass a remarkable pop return for them, for sure. Huge. Huge for us back in the day on MTV. Same for, for Aussie Osborne, who we've talked about, who was he was a big part of our lives. And I think Roger, you made a good point of what that solo metal artist, you know, when LL Cool Jay went in a few years ago, part of the argument there was hip hop was always groups was always the furious five was treacherous three, you know, whatever was that LL established that you could be one guy with a mic and be that kind of a star. And in some ways, Aussie is that sort of a figure that in that genre, it can be about an individual rather than just a collective. Absolutely. All right. So up next, musical excellence. Jimmy Buffett leads. And, you know, we've talked about it extensively, a guy who created an, you know, an empire, a lifestyle, a brand, it's incredible, a transformative way of thinking about music within community. In addition to, you know, writing some pretty amazing songs. I mean, you're right come Monday. And, and what six or seven novels, something, plus all of that. So he's he's a hell of a creative guy. Sadly, he had to die to get into the rock. It's sort of unfortunate. You know, there's always, there's, it often helps to have a hook, whether it's a documentary or you die, right? Well, it's sad, but it is true that sometimes those just illustrate and remind you the impact of some of these figures where you just go, well, wait a minute, that look how big and important that was. Yeah. And he, it was, it was sort of like he was so present in front of us. We didn't realize how important he was. He was ubiquitous. MC five. Now, I feel like I'm so glad that these guys, and I can't believe they're not in already. Many, many years on the ballot, right? Still, I think to maybe specialized, you know, they never had a hit, right? And there's not them sort of mass awareness, not a real puppet. They had, at that transitional moment in radio, they had a rocket with, was before there were rockets. So you know, take out the jams, but one of the, if nothing else, the foundational elements of punk, there's the Stooges, there's the MC five, there's the New York dolls. I mean, that's, those are the ones who established what then got passed in the, you know, the torch that got passed in the 70s. And, you know, the, the political band that backed up their talk showing up and playing at the 68 convention in Chicago, you know, taking on that. What did that crusade legendary? So, yeah, it's been a long time coming. And glad they can be recognized again. There's one, the drummer is the only surviving member. Dennis is the only one who's here. We had Wayne on, on the show. We really, really great, really great. He just, how, he just passed recent this past year. Yeah. And we're going to, we'll pause, because we have one of our, one of our friends here to talk about the on Warwick. So we'll come back. Laura is going to be talking to you about the on Warwick. I didn't know why she was a jammer. And then Norman Whitfield, super excited about this. And I know you sharing my Motown passion. I do. And he's, he's, I think, sort of, if you could say this, the lesser known Motown writer in a way. Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's funny to say second generation, because it's only like two years after Holland was your Holland, but Norman Whitfield really, the guy who sort of modernized, who caught Motown up with Sly Stone, with where James Brown was going, with more of a funk thing, as the, you know, when you wrote songs like "Papa was a Rolling Stone" or "I Can't Get Next to You" or War, or, you know, on and on and on, Cloud9 introduced a different sense of war, introduced a different sort of sensibility. Barry Gordy was, you know, the more conservative, we were in suits, you know, whatever it is. Norman Whitfield was the guy who kind of brought the, you know, talking about issues, you know, more of the sort of '60s edge to, to what Motown was. I think that's really a hugely important thing. And then finally, quick, the musical influence category, I'm going to break the alphabetizing and say, "John Mayall, Alexis Corner," because to me, they sort of go in together. These were really the father's, father figures of the British blues, boom, that then sets in motion, the British invasion stuff. John Mayall in terms of, yeah, in terms of developing talent that Clapton, Peter Green, Mick Taylor, you know, and then Mick Fleetwood, John McVee, all of those kids looking to play blues. John Mayall was the scout who brought them together. And then I know you're a fan of the stuff that kind of came after that. He was, I think, the first person, even beyond Baez and Joni Mitchell, who I heard singing about the environment and was really involved, as a blues artist, was involved in present-day social issues. And then Alexis Corner, almost even earlier, was really sort of running the blues nights and the blues jams, where the Stones first played, where, you know, Rod Stewart first sang. All of those guys, Alexis Corner, was kind of the impresario band leader, Godfather, but really sort of shepherded so much of that movement. And then Big Mama Thornton, of course, we know mostly from Hound Dog. And when you think about recording Hound Dog in 1952, I think is the thing that somebody was making unquestionably, like, outrageous rock and roll, something as a woman, as aggressive and as, you know, down in the dirt as that early on, you know, ball and chain, of course, became known through the Janis version, but really somebody who established that you could be that kind of a figure, that kind of a singer, very early on, left a really influential mark. And then while we're on Motown, the Ahmed Erdogan Award, the sort of business award goes to Susannah Pass, who was really kind of ran operations for Motown for a long time as sort of Barry Gordy's right hand in terms of, you know, actually executing, putting the sessions together, the tours together, all of that stuff. When you hear what she did for Stevie Wonder's career, for the Jackson's career, you know, she's not their day one, but she's then there to really help Motown, you know, explode and expand out into the world. That's what she's getting recognized for. So that's all of them. That's the 16 of them. We're now going to double back. We left you on Warwick on the table because we know our friend Laura wanted to come in to talk about the on Warwick, which is she's rock and roll. I think so. She is rock and roll. I think Laura, by the way, hi Laura, welcome. Hi, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks for letting us all come and enjoy enjoy live taping of the crowd goes wild. Laura is it should be known as is kind of the ringleader of Pod squad. She's the one. But so what what does Dion Warwick mean to you? So I think one of the really amazing things about Dion is she's sort of at this intersection of immense popularity sold a ton of records, you know, one of the muses for Burt Backrack and Hal Blaine. I mean, yeah, I mean, Hal Blaine. Sorry. I mean, just an just an amazing artist and muse. And yet I think in an odd way, she's a little bit underappreciated. You know, there's a kind of a whole generation. I'll just remember her, you know, the lady. Yeah, and I wonder if she knew this was going to happen. But I but I I got jokes. I got jokes. I think she paved the way, you know, I mean, in my my note to Roger, I, you know, pointed out that, you know, Clive Davis wanted another one of her so badly when he plucked one from the same family tree, you know, and it's interesting that Whitney got in before she did. But you know, with many artists, there's a through line. And I think there's so many artists today that maybe don't even realize that she paved the way for them. And you know, you had at a time when, you know, there was Aretha Franklin, who was, you know, very soulful and very, I don't know how else to say this, but maybe she wasn't as palatable to white America as Dion was. And she was able to kind of bridge that and come into people's lives and an amazing voice and just, you know, the way she carried herself. And even to this day, you know, she's just she's really kind of special in a in a in a different sort of way. She's taken the recent appearances I've seen of her. She's sort of taken on this this whole new generation of cool. Yeah, she's got the sort of sassy auntie thing going. She's definitely moved into that spot, for sure. But I think you're right, that sort of sophisticated pop soulful, you know, not saccharine, but you know, certainly the backtrack David songs. I mean, walk on by is one of the greatest singles anybody has ever made. I remember growing up and hearing that, you know, say a little prayer for you. And that was just kind of everywhere in our household, you know, growing up. And I just I appreciate, I appreciate her so much, you know, and her contribution to, you know, the song, that's what friends are for, you know, I mean, they can't be denied, you know, Gladys Knight, et cetera, et cetera. I just she's just been there more often than I think people realize. And it's really nice to see somebody of that generation and that importance getting their flowers while they're still here and not in the same situation as Jimmy Buffett or some other artists that should be there, but were overlooked for so long. I always say I'm not really a I don't really fight about who the rock hall lets in. I've always been more I don't even know if it's a word like an orderist. I like to see the foundational people go in first and so I'm happy to, you know, I'm happy to see that. Well, again, I keep returning to this idea and I always do when I talk about the rock hall, but it's like it fills in a square that Dion represents that sound, the back of my favorite thing, the strings, that presentation. That's a piece of this story of the music of, you know, whatever it is, the sound of young America across these generations. There's, you know, now that's part of what's on the wall that is included as you look back at all that. And she's going to be here. And she's going to be excited. I'll tell you what, we should probably take a fast break. We still have Greg Harris to talk to president of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum and a couple more, a couple more artists that we have a couple more of our pond squad friends want to stand up and cheer for. Believe it or not, there is a live audience. We're bringing them into the studio one in a piecemeal, but swear to God, I'm looking through soundproof glass and it's rattling. That's how noisy it is out there. It is great. It's a lot of new faces. It's a lot of faces. We remember. Yes. They connected to all the stuff we're doing, like our Facebook page, follow us on Twitter, Instagram, our YouTube channel, subscribe to the podcast. You can find all the info sounduppod.com. We'll spin you out to where you got to go. But we look forward to hearing from you to seeing you. And as we do more of these kinds of events, we want to see people right other additional people who behave yourself and do more of these. If you're new and this is your first listen, you found your community of music nerds, this group of individuals in this room, Alan, Mark, and Roger, they really created something really special and we're all really grateful and you should come and join us. We are so excited to see all of you here. That's an applause line for sure. Look at that. It is for sure. And I feel odd saying this. But the fact is, yeah, we sort of struck the match, but you guys have created an incredible fire. 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We're a few hours ahead of all the excitement over at the arena tonight and we have gathered here with a whole bunch of our pod squad members to get their thoughts. They have come from near and far we have Cleveland locals and we have people from multiple time zones, different nations who have made it here from the central and Pacific time zones here. We have pod squatters, Sydney. Hello. Hello. Can we call you a smile cleaner? Can we call you so calm musical? So calm musical. April is here and they've each got some some of this year's list that they want to weigh on. We just ran down the full list, but so it's neat. You wanted to talk about Mary J. I do want to talk about Mary J. So I mean, aside from being literally ghetto fabulous, coin the term, you know, and Alan reiterated what I would have said is that she is the blueprint. And I think prior to this, and I've tried telling my kids when this whole Rock Hall list came out and I said who they were asking who's there. And I said, literally, everything that you hear on the radio now is because of Mary J. She invented this whole thing. There wasn't even, like you said, a blueprint. That's what I totally would have said. But she made the mold. It didn't exist and she also made it. I mean, I'm just a girl from Flint, but she was who doesn't love a story about resilience, but it's you don't get into the hall because there's a ton of stories of resilience. But she made it like so vulnerable, so real to come out and you look direct line through SZA, Lauren Hill, Tyler. I mean, anybody that you hear on the radio is because she're mixing that R&B with soul and just like powerful, Ronis and raw and honest and vulnerable. That's that, you know, for her that the depth that she would go to with her own trials in her life, those things will come out so viscerally, so real. And she dressed really well. Oh my God, those boots. Right. And the dance. Yes. But she but she had all the. She had it all. Yeah. But she had that style thing. But I love this idea. And of course that you were going through with your kids, you know, what what and why did they get that? They get it. I mean, I drill it into their head, but they also get it because they understand they better get it. I mean, no, but also I think they understand that, like, I really feel strongly that nowadays the way we listen to music is genre bending. But she did that first, you know, she made that happen. And so they get it. And people look at it. Have you seen a play line? I am so stoked today because I've not. I have not, you know, in my life, I have not yet. See what I did there. April. So April wants to talk to Matthew's band. I mean, finally, I hate that. I hate that. Are you. I am. I probably seen Dave Matthews, like 12 times because it's hard, you know, you go to go to go to millions of concerts. I didn't know that you were a jam bender as well. Because they're they were very festival driven for a really long time. Right. But they're their own festival. You know what I mean? Like, they they have the frontman is, you know, Dave is worth what $300 million. You know, they gross more tickets than any other band. I think you too was the only other band that surpassed them. And just all of their wins, their Grammys, all of the credibility that I think that is worthy for a rock call inductee. Yeah. But not to mention their start is all grassroots. The loyalty of the fans, they've cultivated this word of mouth that is not industry driven. And when has an inductee been in involved in the rock call that is all driven by the fans? Now, that's why in 2020 it was kind of painful for us because they got a million votes. And then they were not on the final ballot. So it's really, really great for us jam band adjacent second-gen fans to see them because they are so amazing live. And they are as a collective group, amazing, but individually as artists and musicians, holy crap, they could carry an entire show on their own. So you really can't say that about a lot of these bands. And so it's really great. But my question is, has there ever been such a polarizing band ever? Because even when I walked in, you said, okay, you've got to explain the state, Matthew. Well, I see the phenomenon. I can understand why they would be inducted. Like I said to Helen earlier, I was surprised. It seems to me like they're not a new band, but they're not old enough to be in the rock all the season. This is where we're at. Yeah. Right. I mean, 90s. But it's almost their own genre, like the dad had their own genre. And maybe this is the spawn, but it's still their own. It's very much there. Well, two things you said they're related that are really important. One is you're right. I think it's the second most tickets sold over the last 40, it was 40 years, maybe one or two years ago when they did that, you know, you two, Dave Matthews band, total ticket sold. Madonna and photographs combined. Right. I mean, astounding and related to that, you know, as you said, coming up out of a community, a word of mouth thing, a room by room, truly an old school, you know, that it can still work that way and get you to that. I got a while I'm sitting here, I got a message from somebody I went to high school with who's here for the induction for Dave, who's at 82, 82 shows and counting. Oh gosh. So, you know, that's, but that's what they get. They follow them. They're whole, they never stop touring ever. That's why I've been able to see them and the creation just that Bonnaroo exists. Absolutely. That those festivals, I mean, there's the smaller ones, but it's, you know, yeah, as a founding member of the farmate, they like all of that stuff, whether it's them specific or what it is that they, you know, spawned and led to. Yeah, I have no, I have no problems and no issues with it. I bet you have the arena tonight is going to be Dave fans because everybody reached out to me, like, I couldn't get tickets. I wish I could go right every year. There's kind of one of the inductees that are overrepresented at the ceremony. Yes. All the Wall Street kids are now like the day, yeah, right. Bon Jovi, Bon Jovi year, half the room or Bon Jovi, I think that's going to be Dave Matthews tonight. And it's going to be amazing. I know for sure. Well done, you guys. Thank you. Thank you as always. You know, you guys have been supporting us forever. And I know that you're a big part of the pod squad and helping to generate and getting people to travel. You know, your Sneeda is Detroit. You're in California. I mean, it's it's phenomenal. We love you guys and love what you do for us. Thank you for the plot. Thank you about our love for music. Yes. All right. So we're here. Thank you. We are at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame right here with the pod squad who is out there making tons of noise. Many thanks to those two pod squatters. All right. So we just put the word out there to the pod squad out gathered out on the other side of the glass. And we've got Rachel and Kodachrome, the legend of his Kodachrome is here. We were talking tribe called Quest last night. So I figured, you know, you would when we put up the flare, you would show up. Yes. So who wants to go first? I don't mind going first. So I've actually been listening to tribe since the beginning. So I was a follower of the native native tongue. And when I first heard, I think it was a first hip hop CD. It was just called rap then. But it was a first rap CD. Well, it was actually a cassette that I bought. And I put it on. And it was just so different from anything else. Because again, it's the end of the 80s that going into the 90s. And just the sound was so different with this very, it was a communal kind of, you know, sound. And I just really enjoyed it. And I love Afrobeats. Well, Afrobeats now, but I just really like the drum sound. Right. And so it just really had this really crisp drum sound. And then with, you know, Q tip and five rest in peace, it was just so much. So I'm actually here. There's so many great artists. But because Fife is not here, I actually told anything. It was Chuck D. who posted it like, Oh, who's going to, you know, rest in P five for five. And I said, I will be in Cleveland honoring him the whole weekend. So I brought the Jordan's that have the red, black and green. And so yeah, I'm here for them because they basically are kind of a foundation of my life. Quick, give us that sense. Sort of what you thought rap meant and sounded like before you heard that boat will bragging and boasting, right? And it was territorial, you know, the Bronx and Queens. And it was very New York and I'm a California girl. But they were saying, I left my wallet in El Segundo. And I'm like, yeah, right? And so what we had in at that time was too short. So I was growing up in an area with with too short, a little bit mix of that, you know, kind of bragging boasting. And this one just spoke to me as a woman because it was very different. And so I just really, you know, just kind of claimed on to that. And I've just been a fan ever since. And Kodachrome, you were, you were breaking it down last night. But yeah, tell me, tell me, tell us more. Well, I mean, low end theory is really the sergeant pepper of hip hop. I agree with that. And it really revolutionized the game. Yes. And myself being a suburban Connecticut outside of the New York bubble, it spoke to me in a way that at that time it was either like Teddy Riley, like Rex and effect stuff. Or, you know, it was, it was not misogynistic lyrics. It was very much thought intelligence behind what they were saying, things that, you know, they were saying things that was still reaching me in the suburbs. But it was subjects that I totally put my head around and really understand. And I mean, if you really think about it, low end theory was influenced by NWA, right production style. You know, Q tippa said that was one of the things. And then now reverse it. Dr. Dre totally influenced by low end theory creates the chronic. I mean, it's, it's such a seminal piece of hip hop that, you know, if we have that other side in the rock hall, I think the tribe is definitely the representation of he's coast. And the incorporation of jazz after, yeah. So once the low end theory, which is also my favorite album as well, it is actually my top five all time. It's in one of those Marvin gaping the first. But anyway, it was interesting because everybody started to do, go go into jazz. So we saw, you know, guru going to jazz, we saw a diggable planet. So everybody was trying to go into this jazz. And so like, I didn't know who Ron Carter was. And it's like, Oh my gosh, there's this whole wrong Carter is awesome. So it really did open up a whole new realm of music. And I love the fact that Questlove has said many times that when he heard tribe, he realized there was a place for him in hip hop, you know what I mean? And we look at some, I mean, the roots very much influenced by what tribe did. And they are just everywhere. Sure. You start hearing acoustic instruments, Ron Carter here to stand up base. You were hearing different sounds that you had not been hearing in what we thought of as what that music sounded like. And I love the brotherhood that these guys have had. They've been together since high school. When fight was battling, what he went through, they got back together again and reunited so he could cover his medical bills. I mean, it's like whether they fight or whatever, they still have that basis of that friendship. And I think that means a lot of who they are as people. Real quick, you have a personal connection to the into the into the five family, you said? Well, it's funny because I did not know this, but wife's parents went to my church in Connecticut. And you know, and I heard through the grave buying somebody said, you know, oh, I think their son's wife dog. I'm like, yeah, right. You know, what I mean? In the middle of Connecticut, come on. And then I'm watching the tribe documentary. And there's Walt. I'm like, Oh my God. That's Walt. So I was like, that is. And so I walked up to him the next Sunday. And I said, well, I said, I found out a secret about you. And he was really nice. And he was so proud of his son and everything that. And I hope they're going to be here tonight. I hope that they'll be able to be part of this. Yeah. Yeah. I know that Walt, his vice father was very much a big supporter of them from the high school days. Can we just talk listeners out there? Can we just say, look, we bring people in to talk about Aussie or foreign or quest, let's now informed. Yeah, thoughtful. And you know, it's why we can do this. We can bring people in. And that's why there's a big community behind me, who is here. And you know, we actually thank you because we're those people that like we read the liner notes. Yes. We're the ones who actually followed labels for certain music. It wasn't just listening to music. It was being part music was us and still is us. And so it's brought this whole family family together and and it's growing. I've always said you two are like the uncles. I wish I were at the family parties and I could just like talk about music with while everybody else is fighting, whatever. But the way you present it, you guys are always, you know, you're very caring and you're very, you know, you have great inside baseball and you really break it down in a way that everybody cannot. For me, you can have them. We could be somebody's uncle. Nobody's going to know. Nobody's going to hear Jack. Everybody has a price tag. Oh, thank you guys Rachel, Kodakrome for standing up for Tribe Called Quest. Great. This is great. So we can we can bring pod squatters in and they can speak eloquently about the inductees. That's what we love. And the full range of we have people who can speak as passionately and as knowledgeably about Tribe Called Quest as the ones we brought in to talk about Aussie or Dion or Dion Warwick. It's really it's so great. That's why it's so great to see all these guys together. It's just amazing. And Tribe is one of those ones too that I just I hope this brings a lot more attention to the legacy in the catalog because it is such a great body of work and an important body of work. I feel like in an odd way, they are I don't want to say obscure because they're not obscure but yet this will bring them to a level that they finally deserve. I absolutely that the profile that's been induction into the rock call provides. I want to see a bump for them online. I want to not to bring this up to make trouble for myself down the road. But watching the it does continue to feel to me. Maybe this is the bubble that I live in that the resistance the opposition to bringing hip hop into the rock and roll Hall of Fame has been wearing down has been declining a bit. I think that I feel like more and more people understand the range on the spectrum of music that this institution represents and why this is important that this is part of it. Again, maybe this is just I'm sufficiently protected now or I've worn everybody down within my own circle or whatever it is. But I feel like there's a better comprehension of that over the last few years. I do too. And I think the part of the reason there is that is because of you and because of what we have been doing partially what we've been doing here to explain what the story is. You you are the one who really laid that term out to telling the story and to understand that there are very a lot of thought of facets and a lot of characters in the story. And I think you really helped me and all of us to understand the nature of the rock hall and what it means to be in it that it's it doesn't have to be guitars and drums and solos. And as we've said increasing them and you said Dave Matthews or didn't they just look almost by definition 90s your first half of the 90s. That's kind of you're clear if you're 19 you know we're up to 25 years back takes you to 1999. So soon bands that didn't put out their first record until after 2000 will be rock and roll Hall of Fame eligible. So to stick a pin that says it stops before music sounds like also this and also this and also that I mean a certain point you just sign your your death war on like that means you know we go to a certain point then all the the people that generation they're all gone and nobody cares it's it isn't telling you know it is telling the story that speaks to the listeners that follow. And I should say before Greg Harris is going to be joining us in just a minute. Who can speak to all of this way better than I can be the idea of of the story I think has come has become more clear I think because not only Greg John Sykes is now head of the chairman of the board chairman of the board for the rock hall. And he has been championing that idea that it's rock and roll doesn't have to be just guitars that rock and roll is an attitude rock and roll is is kind of a way to approach life in a way. So Greg will be joining us as you said to to expand on this a little bit more kind of get into what has gone into this year's rock and roll Hall of Fame and what his and just what his week and the week around this uh space that we're sitting in right now what that's been like. So we should bring him in Greg Harris. Hey welcome back. Well look at this you know I had to fight my way through I think the crowd out there is 10 D for you guys watching a radio broadcast. How about you talk just to listen to us and them we've had a bunch of them come in and talk about what the inductees mean to them which has been really really great to hear. So so first thing just we're at day of show it's all been building to the to this date started just what has your week been like as the guy running this operation as we build to the big climax here. You know what? It's been fantastic. It's really it's like a great big class reunion going on. You guys are here. We've got artist in town. We did a thing yesterday where he dedicated their plaques and we had Mary J. Blige. We had Dave Matthews in his whole band. We had cool in the gang. We had Peter Frampton and we had guys from Foreigner and and Susan to pass and all of them were here and then they were all up in the in the plaque gallery taking pictures with each other and then who arrives about 20 minutes into the photo taking share arrived and it was amazing you know royalty walking through and to see share and Mary J standing in front of their plaque they're going to be connected forever inside the rock and roll Hall of Fame was just magical magical. I look I'm going to say it share cooperating is it's it's a great thing. It's a win. It's amazing. First and foremost she she's here. She's present. She's going to be part of the the show tonight that we're all going to see and by the time this thing reaches the world it will be out there. It's just been a great weekend but there's so many things that happen. You know we did a special thing a week and a half ago we opened their exhibit. We had celebration day for everybody in Ohio to come in and see things for free. Then we did a concert on Wednesday night with Speedy Ortiz and we did an interview with Cool Bell yesterday the plaque dedication last night. There's a party at the museum and you you know you turned around. Oh there's Tom Morello and we all ended up watching the the Guardian Jackie's game in our theater by the way. The end of the party. It was great. You and I actually haven't talked about this. It's been a while you've been doing this. You've been here for a minute and it's you know overseen a lot of growth a lot of great things happening around the museum but has your relationship to this event. Do you think about the inductions? Do you think about this process you know differently over time again different people come up different we reach different times of eligibility it continues to expand like for you do you see different you know what do you yeah yeah not just your not just your fundraising side not just your you know building the the museum and I do want to talk about all that stuff but like just how does your relationship to it continue to change. It continues to change and evolve and I love that you know we're on we're hours before the induction like the big celebration and you're thinking about the process and the election and how it goes and what's going to come next is a is a good follow-up but uh yeah you think about it differently of course and you you gain a really we all need to gain a better understanding of other people's music that the music that moves so many other people and maybe it wasn't in your era or it wasn't your specific genre but just how broad and inclusive this art form is how broad and inclusive these induction classes are they show that loud and clear when I first started here a while back now it's been a while we used to get a lot of you know angry collars angry letters about certain artists being inducted and you know what that's kind of stopped that's we were just talking about that again it's maybe the bubble that we live in but it feels like there is a better comprehension of the scope yes that there is and there's always artists that are on the doorstep and you're more talking about their merits than then say writers that are upset about their whole genre of music for some people that like a specific type of music it's only that well you know what that has changed I think we've all become a lot more open and understanding to the connections that this music has to why somebody like you know this induction class looking at it this year they can each admire each other when the plaque dedication happened yesterday Dave Matthews what in his remarks he came in you know a little underplayed and then he just blew us away by talking about his idols and what Foreigner meant to him and things like that really just to see those crosses is to me exceptional and that that means it's very tangible and very firm and sturdy because those foundational pieces will move from generation to generation. There's been some changes at the rock hall John Sykes has come in as CEO John Winter has left and so there's been some changes in in the nominating room where Al is also how do you think that that affected this class? I think it had a huge effect on it in the last couple years you know that that change has been it's not just this year look at last year's class look at the year before it's an evolution and it's evolving and it's all very positive. I know that John people may I've worked with John a couple of years here and there but John has been really upfront about saying about the story about it's an attitude it's not a particular line up of instrument spirit it's an attitude it's a way of life spirit and an attitude and we're all picking it up too from a ice cubes great induction speech that rock and roll is not a sound rock and roll is a spirit and absolutely and John has embraced that fully believes it fully and and you're you're seeing the results of that that mindset hands down and he's doing a terrific job and we're really thrilled that he's in the seat and we're really thrilled of how this organization continues to evolve. We were talking earlier about how great it is the years that the induction is in in Cleveland and being able to bounce back and forth into the museum have those guys over here have the artists show up and see them and get a better sense of that meantime also you know you broke ground on an expansion and I want you to tell people what's you know what's coming up and what the what the future looks like because it's a big moment. Love it and it looks like is it the rock and roll hall of fame football? It's a biggie so massive. We've been open now for 29 years we've had 15 million people have come through our front doors and we're now building a 50,000 square foot expansion on the building. The concrete is coming out of the ground for the foundational pillars and peers and floor and everything soon you'll see structural steel and it's just going to make this place even better. It's going to have a performance space a concert hall it will then allow us to move our offices from the existing pyramid into the new building and where the offices are is going to become a 6,000 plus square foot exhibition gallery. It'll increase our main exhibit hall by 40 percent. We can tell bigger stories we can tell them better and we can just keep inspiring people. And the hope is that you will also have the venue here on the property as well. Well the venue yes but it's a smaller venue it's going to be mixed use for events and other things. It'll hold about 1200 people and beautiful space you know it's rock and roll hall of fame so the audio has to be killer and a lot of people fans know us about who's inducted and hopefully about visiting the museum and seeing it. We also did 230 private events at our museum last year. You got the space every day what can you do with it every day? Yeah and so this new space will let us do even more. It sits on this beautiful lakefront and as I'm saying this if you were not one of those 15 million that came the first time you better get over here. That's right we've been talking about it. I've said this is why we want you to just do it here. New York is fine we live in New York. And the excuse to bring all these folks out here you know some for the first time some have you know done this trip before. Oh yeah but it's a you know it's a pilgrimage for them too. Love the tradition you know and it's uh we love hosting it. I love wherever it is it's great in LA it's great in New York and Cleveland it's a little bigger because the museum is here everything from the hotels or within walking distance you know this is this is where it's at. You know you get a special text like hey someone says come into the museum can they squeeze it in before going to the to the concert venue. And we make it happen they see this place they love it. Many of the things in the new induct the exhibit upstairs were donated by the artist himself and a few that didn't donate when they saw it yesterday they're like oh we need to send you some stuff. Now I get it now I know what it is. I'm not I know we love them all we all love them all you got one or two you're extra excited about this year. Oh man oh man with no with no insult to the others but I know you got you know I know you got tastes and favorites. I do if I'm thinking about the show right. I'm really excited to see share and do a leap on stage like two forces a band artist wise I could I could go down the list with all of them but uh you know I came out of garage rock and punk rock so the MC5 uh I know that's your kick out the jams yeah brothers and sisters I expected that was going to be the first one you would go to yeah nominated multiple times you know the the people in that room thought they were worthy uh the voters put them over the top it's terrific. That's the other thing I think that we've been you know using more actively the early influences the musical excellence the other categories and really finding ways to get more of these folks recognized and more from different places in the history recognized I think has been a really important thing. Absolutely and uh it's interesting because it continues to evolve some of these bands being inducted this year they formed in like cool the game was early 60s I think 64 uh MC5 of course I think maybe 65 Peter Frampton's first bands are around then yep uh Uns Humble Pie is a little bit later but the herd is right then 65 66 yeah amazing amazing uh by the way I'm through I'm excited to see him as well I saw him a few weeks ago when he came through Cleveland and we went there expecting that it would be a nice look back show it was a rip roaring very dynamic absolutely talked to the band afterwards and said now that that looked like you were being spontaneous and jammy on song so like oh yeah we improvise on almost every song and it's just part of our DNA and it's a blast to be on the stage every night that's going to be killer in the arena tonight so that's what we're going to be looking for all right I'm looking forward to this class induction I think it's going to be it's a great class and we thank you for your hospitality every year and as always we thank the pod squaders yes yes yes yes love all keep looking to the future looking to you know what's coming you know looking out there I think we should make this a monthly thing what do you think guys yes right here every month yeah we're down I'd love to do it perfect all right we can get you some beds in the back and cut some cots throw some sleeping bags down we'll be good to go next year we're going to be using that twelve hundred feet tall that's what we're going to be doing that mark and allen are represented in the 1984 exhibit so we can just keep them in there under glass and take them out what's along it love it guys all right hey thank you thank you as always thank you and cheers to all your listeners for being here the pod squad nice to see everybody all right thank you all right thank you all right it's going to wrap us up we have been recorded absolutely live from the rock and roll hall of fame and it's been kind of a blast before we're we're out of here we want to thank the rock and roll Hall of Fame everybody here at the organization for helping us out making this first live in person taping for us possible and of course all of the sound up pod squad who is supporting us not only here right now but at home across the country listening to sound up we love you for that we appreciate you for that and especially for you turning up here in Cleveland flying in from all over the country we love you thank you a special thanks to revolver podcast for sponsoring this event for being our partners on sound up for keeping the lights on here here jack ops we love you all right this has been great and remember tell them how they can become part of the pot squad and follow us so always it's so simple stay connected to all of it like our facebook page follow us on twitter instagram our youtube channel subscribe to the podcast give us those five star reviews people pay attention to that stuff you can find all the info at the website sounduppod.com you can email us connect at sounduppod.com texts or voice messages yes we love hearing from you we'll want all everybody's report after the fact all of our attendees today and it's gonna do it that's a show wrap it up from the rock and roll hall of fame thank you catch you next week sound up is hosted by mark goodman and allen light produced by roger colletty and distributed by revolver podcasts the music from smile from tokyo special thanks to everyone at the rock wall hall of fame and the sound up pod squad sound up is a roger that media production it's time to have your high five moment with high five casino the top social casino where the action and real prizes never stop fun spins and big wins are right at your fingertips with over a thousand games including high five casino exclusives high five casino is always free to play with free coins given out every four hours sign up today and get free welcome coins you can spin for a chance at cash prizes visit high five casino dot com high five casino no purchase necessary void prohibited by law must be 21 years or older terms and conditions apply in the sprawling expanse of texas were oil cowboys in cattle loom as large as the state itself tales of true crime defy the imagination the texas crime stories podcast unravels the most chilling and perplexing crimes that has scarred the lone star state join me investigative reporter robert riggs with firsthand accounts from law officers and chilling encounters with serial killers i take you from the crime scene to the courtroom and into prisons it's a journey into the heart of darkness not for the faint of heart listen to true crime reporter on the pandora app apple podcast spotify or work ever you listen to podcast [BLANK_AUDIO]
On episode #64 of “Sound Up!,” it's our first-ever live audience event, recorded at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame on the day of this year's induction ceremonies in Cleveland. Mark and Alan hosted a gathering of our Pod Squad listeners, several of whom joined us in the studio to offer thoughts and insight about their favorites from the Class of 2024. Greg Harris, President and CEO of the museum, also came by to offer some insight on the weekend's events, the process, and updates on the Hall of Fame's future.
