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Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. >> Canucks blow a 3-goal lead. Lose 4-3 in overtime against the Colorado Avalanche. A game riddled with poor officiating and the Canucks melting down to the third. This is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number 5 orange. Get your thoughts into a Dunbar Lumber Texan box, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line at our dispatch plumbing and heating hotline 604-280-0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. It's Satyar Shah with bickensar. We are going to bring in Randy Jenda into the conversation in just a moment. For much of the night, it looked like the Canucks were going to salt away a controlling 3-0 victory. They had a 3-0 lead up until 9th, about what? Seconds left in the second period. And then they give up two more in the third and then they lose in overtime on a call, which this call was legit. Carson Suci puts the puck over the net, puts the puck into the crowd from his own end. It's the late game penalty, two minutes in the dying seconds of the third period. Canucks are on the PK. Nathan McKinnon takes a shot. Bit of a lucky deflection. His chuskin in the face. They casey to Smith. And the officiating was horrendous. Like I don't know how they missed. It should have been a 5-minute major. Number one, of course, on Manson. I don't know how he doesn't get a 5-minute major. They call it a pretty weak 5-0 on 3. And then Quinn Hughes takes a high stick from the chuskin. When the Canucks have a power play in the third, they don't call it, so the Canucks don't get the two-man advantage. But despite all that, it's one of those situations where multiple things are true at the same time. Bad officiating, but you have to help yourself more than the Canucks did in the third. Randy, especially those turnovers, which led to that 3-3 goal in the end. Well, the Pedersen one, where right before he takes the penalty, there's an opportunity to move the puck and be along the wall, make a decision. And Josh Manson makes the play. And after that, Pedersen has to essentially, you know, he takes the slashing penalty. And it kind of ensues there. And I'm with you. The Ian Cole penalty. Come on, right? Like, what are we doing here? For everything that wasn't called in this game, that's the one you call. But overall, 17-3 shots on goal in the third period. This is, you mentioned it with 2.7 seconds left in the second period. You allow that goal, and sure, that's not a goal you want to allow. It gives a little bit of momentum to Colorado, but you still got a 3-1 lead. And, you know, that Pedersen penalty, the bad call, allows it to get to 3-2. And then a little bit later on, you get the goal from Ross Colton as well, which comes from a lot of zone time from Colorado, them dominating the offensive zone. And, unfortunately, the Canucks lost their shape. They lost their discipline. I'm not talking about penalties. I'm talking about defensive discipline. And, unfortunately, that's what happens. They type the game, and an unlucky bounce for Carson Susie leads to a power play goal in overtime. I'm sure when we hear from Rick Tockett, he'll mention learning lesson. And you both know there's a game I love to reference from years ago against the Penguins. When... You know the Malcolm game. Yeah, that 8-6 game. And it was a moment you saw just a snippet of what champions look like. Yeah. And it's the empty net goal I was referencing, Malcolm, just showing the drive to the end. The lesson for me, we're going to talk about the efficiency at some point. But to me, the takeaway is that's what a championship resolve looks like from the abs. That they get this sliver of hope on a nothing play to get that 3-1 goal. And they were kind of coming on late in that second period anyways. Yeah. But that little sliver of hope with a team that has to learn the idea of, "Yeah, we can protect leads." And they've been very good at it, obviously, so far this year. But against the best teams, you have to be the aggressor. You have to be the one willing to push the pace and repel and keep the puck in the other end. They were far too passive and willing for all these bad plays that eventually happened. A Lindom giving a pass that he absolutely should nail on, get that puck out of the zone. The SUSI one. All these instances, if you're aggressive, you're probably not putting yourself in that spot. And they were far too passive. They were. And I mean, yes, the officiating was bad. But the Pedersen slash was a slash. He slashes the guy right on the hand. So that's a penalty. And especially after you give away the puck, that's going to attract even more attention from the officials where you may have taken away a scoring chance after your own mistake. And I thought it wasn't the best game overall from Pedersen. I actually thought defensively did a lot of good things back checking. And I thought against McKinnon, he did a lot of good stuff. But that was a really bad shift offensively. There wasn't much going with that line tonight. Hoaglander had one chance. That's pretty much all they really generated. It's not the best night for EP40 in his line. But that's just a penalty you can't be taking. And they invite way too much pressure on the third. And listen, I'm all four. We can sit here and rip officiating all night. I'm all I'm here for it. Like it wasn't a good night. But the reality is guys in the postseason, these things are going to happen. And you are going to be tested. You are going to feel like the world is against you, that the world is conspiring. They're out to get you. That's how it feels. Why are you going to fight through it? You're just going to give up and say, you know what? The ref's got us tonight. Let's just pack it up and go home. You can't do that. You got to fight through it. And I thought in the third, the connects were they played scared. It looked like they were playing scared and on their heels. And I hope it's a lesson they learned. Because those are the types of things in the postseason. Like you think this is pressure? Oh yeah. Imagine coughing up a two goal lead in the playoffs in a bad call happens. You're just going to pack it up and go home? Yeah, it's essentially a me against the world feeling. But that is the playoffs where you're in a, this was a home rink. You're at a road rink. You've got 18,000 people, probably 19,000 people depending on winch rink you're playing in. You know, there's that home ice advantage. So yeah, the learning lesson thing is no doubt. I think that's going to come up. But that goal at the end of the second period, guys, you'll allow that shirt. You know, you know, there's the, I believe it was ranting in. Yeah, he ends up getting between the two Canucks players. You're not able to tie up the stick. That's something to say. You got to play to the buzzer. You got to play to the whistle. And JT could probably be a bit more aggressive on Taze. Because there's two seconds left. You can take an extra closeout. Just close out. Make sure that puck doesn't get swept back into the prime area. And it's frustrating, I guess, also because for a coach that's focused on the details is tie up the stick. You tie up the stick there. You're not talking about anything. It's probably three nothing. You're feeling a little bit more confident. To your point, guys, you don't give a championship caliber team any hope. They look flat 40 minutes. And it was Vancouver was doing, you know, just in their face, strong through the neutral zone. Attacking with speed through the neutral zone. It didn't feel like they had any confidence. You get that goal. You give them a boost. And to your point, you start playing a little passive. Two things combined. And it goes the wrong way. It's the analogy I love to use when it comes to, like, boxers. And you're the challenger. You're going to take the belt away. And you're up three nothing. Fight's not over. Like, at that stage, they left to the judges. And it's like, oh, we can probably smooth this one out. And don't leave it to any chill judges, man. I'm telling you, don't leave it up to them. You can't do that. You have to go take this win away from star level teams. If this was Anaheim, I can understand it. But there's no reason to check out at 38 minutes. Boys, halfway through this game, Nate McKinnon had one shot on goal. Right? He's quiet yet again after Vancouver, even though they lost the last game as well. It's a trend where you're winning that matchup, or at the very least, you're not allowing him to get his points. And in the third period, 17, three shots on goal, where you're inviting that pressure. And if you give sharks like Nathan McKinnon and Kale McCar and Val Nachushkin and Niko Ranten room and chances to really impose their will physically as well, they're going to take it every single time. Well, wind up with speed, right? How many times in the first 35 minutes did you see natural speed coming through the neutral zone for the apps? And I thought the Canucks did a great job, you know, channeling Nathan McKinnon to redirect constantly. And in the third period, bunch of apps players skated with freedom through the neutral zone. And I knew you guys talked about the neutral zone quite a bit in the pregame show, and it was a big key for you guys. You don't slow them down in the area where they can generate where they're most effective. You invited all the pressure. And yeah, there was issues in this game, but to me, they let the result happen to them. And boys, this is an important lesson for this team because you can play an excellent 40 minutes. You can potentially shut down the best player in the league or the highest scoring player in the league. But 20 minutes, you turn it off a little bit, you turn off the switch, that can happen. Where you end up losing the game in overtime and for playoffs, it's all momentum. It's all, you can have a great start, but we see in the playoffs, momentum swings are wild. We thought this was wild, wait till the playoffs come around because you can see, you know, two or three goals evaporate like that. This is something that when you're playing teams like this that have that firepower, and this was a step up from Vegas and LA, it simply was, right? This is on par with a Boston team where they're duking it out for top spot in the central, top spot in the west. The Canucks definitely definitely have to learn from this as this was a lesson in 60 minutes of, you can play a solid 40, but the final 20, you got to clean that up. How much is this a recurring theme of multi goal blown leads to? Well, I spend more in the new year. It's happened more often. As much as we're going to put this on the players, is this a philosophical thing too, that the way they play in the third has to be questioned? So as far as the philosophical thing goes, the coach himself oftentimes mentions, don't sit back. Skate forward. Skate forward, moving like he's actually been upset about it. So I don't think it's something that they coach, like, hey, be, you know, hold back in the third. I don't think that's what they do. It could be something the players just themselves instinctively are doing, right, where they're being extra safe when they have the lead. I do think you have to be on the front foot a bit more than they have been, but also, I didn't think they were great overall tonight guys. Like, I know they had a three nothing lead, but I don't think they were dominating or anything. I mean, it was like either team was dominant. I know some of the high dangerous scoring chances. They had like something like six for Colorado in the first period. Nothing three or four of those came on the same sequence of rebound chances. So it's like one sequence. You can only score one goal in a sequence. But I thought overall, like, I thought the Canucks played better against the abs. The last two times they played them, especially last time on the road. I thought they played a better game last game where they lost 3-1 than this one. So I wasn't overly enamored with how they played start to finish here tonight. I thought the start was really strong. And the two goals, if you look at the Zadorov goal in JT Miller, they're playing fast. And the, you know, making those passes and seeing that weakness coming down the wing. And the first goal, JT Miller kind of loops around as a little wrap around, finds McKay of driving the middle. And later on, we see almost a similar play from Garland where he, instead of passing it across ice, it's to Zadorov who takes a snapshot. But they were playing with a little bit more speed. They're playing a faster game. They're pushing the pace where it wasn't as complete as maybe the last game against Colorado where that felt like a playoff game. I thought the Canucks still played the way that they wanted to in the opening few minutes where they're playing that speed. They're being aggressive in the neutral zone. After that, in the second period, it fell off. It simply fell off. And I'd rather have a team play with speed and push the pace. And, you know, if you've got to duke it out a little bit, and if there's, you don't want to play shot for shot, but the speed really evaporated in the third period, guys. And there was, you know, simple dump-ins just trying to relieve pressure. And what does that do? That allows the team to set up, attack the other way with speed, which Colorado didn't have that time. And the first, I would say first period, for sure. Maybe they picked up a little steam in the second period, but in the third period, it was a different ballgame altogether. Yeah, like the Zadorov goal is a perfect example, right? There's this kind of Garland chipping in with speed. He maintains the speed the whole way, gets clean retrieval, and then sets up Zadorov. And even PDG forces the turnover, highly on the four-check. But in the third period, forget about speed. Like, what about the just general movement? It just wasn't. Well, yeah, you get the power play in the third, that opportunity. It just, like, takes them forever to get into the zone, like, just way too passive. You know, on the play... Especially when Rick talked about talking about situational power play as well, right? Well, yeah, and there was the one play where they finally got into the zone, and Paterson did a hard rim around. And JT was just too slow getting to it. And I thought JT had a tale of two games. The first period, he was all over it, and maybe taking a hit to the head, had something to do with his game, kind of not being where it was, perhaps. And maybe just maybe when we hit a guy in the head, flush, and he's in a... Two-minute minor, apparently. It should be a five-minute major, an absolute joke. Like, I don't understand where, if you have the ability to call the major and review it, how are you not calling the major? Like, I don't understand it. Like, I really don't understand. So, if you see the play, Parker Kelly got a two-game suspension for hitting Andreas Englund in the... It's almost identical play. That one was along the right boards, if I'm not mistaken. Along the boards, and Englund is not in a vulnerable position, so to speak. And he comes from the side and hits him. JT's got his back turn to the play. Like, I don't know how you don't call that a five-minute major. And then he has a lead, he can't even be on... So, JT can't even be on the ice for the power play, because he's gone in for protocol, we're assuming. So, he doesn't come back until later in the second period, and you only call a two... Like, to me, the most egregious call, there are two of them. There was that one, and I thought it was inexcusable. I don't call that a five-minute major. And then the call, hook call, I mean, he's got one hand on the stick, and he gets stick. He doesn't really get hand, McKinnon's hand. McKinnon sells it completely. He sells it. That was a... Completely sells it. That was a Ric Flair sell job on the penalty. But going back to that hit, where the rule of the day in the NHL is, call a major, just in case, and then if you got to downgrade it, you downgrade it. That's what officials have been doing all year long. You know what it is? Randy, it's arrogance. It's arrogance. It's as simple as that. It's arrogance. You're so sure you made the right call. You're too arrogant to call the major and go and review it. There's... What are they waiting for? Are they waiting for the player to lay down there, and, you know, basically be... For an injury, were they swayed by Josh Manson being, you know, apologetic right after the hit? Of course, you can be apologetic. You did something wrong. Like I'm actually saying, like, if JT lays on the ice for two minutes, is there a different call? Maybe you got to sell it a bit more. Is that the lesson? That was a baffling one, and you don't want to talk about these sort of things after a game, but that changes the game. If that's a five-minute penalty, first of all, it's a dangerous hit. Second of all, you know, there's a five-minute, you know, power play there, and the Vancouver Canucks probably deserved one on that hit. So to me, it was, yeah, I'm with you, Sadad. I think that was a moment that changed the game, especially with... You've got Manson out there again two minutes later. It was... It's a rough look for the league when that's the stuff like that happens, especially when you have the option of calling the five-minute major and downgrading up. Yeah, like, that's the thing. It's the process of it all, right? It just feels like such a dereliction of duty. It's... Yeah. The angle from the corner, too. It couldn't have been more obvious of... It's not as if JT's, like, moving his head. He did not put himself in a vulnerable position at all. No, and he's already pinned up against the boards. And so it's not as if it was, like, a moving play. He's pinned against the boards, and Josh Manson misses the hit. Clean his day, and you made the right call. It's not as if you were like, "Oh, we called it behind the back," and we had to go check. You made the right call, but you didn't follow through with the necessary protocols. It's stunning, and I don't... We've talked about officiating. I think far too often this year, so that. I've listened to you guys on the way home, man. There's been a lot of them talking about officiating. And I don't like talking about it, but this is across all sports. Like, the standard officiating right now is extremely poor across all sports. You know what makes that really interesting, though, guys? Earlier on in the game, you guys probably saw it here as well. Josh Manson and JT Miller had a battle going on for about three straight shifts, and there was one across check that was Manson gave Miller, and Miller was talking to the referee before that hit happened to say, "How do you not call any of that?" So they were totally in on understanding what's going on, Manson versus Miller, and still, no call on the play, despite understanding that these guys have been going back and forth, and really, more than anything, Manson was the aggressor more than anybody. And I want a physical game. Like, I like the certain level of violence in the game. It hits him in the head, but that's not hockey. That is so reckless. I mean, Zidorov gets the five, and he got the game. They reviewed it, and he got thrown out of the game, right? And then he gets a two-game suspension on top of it. Like, Manson's getting something. I'd be floored if he doesn't get at least something out of this. And then, to me, that looks so-- it looks bush league, that a guy is most likely going to get supplemental discipline, and then ref's called a two-minute minor in the game. And there's also the side discussion of how much does he get, because the league potentially does not want to embarrass its officials, right? So there's that discussion as well, which is something that we've heard about. We've talked about. To me, it's one of the stupidest things ever, but that's a real discussion in the NHL. It's a cataclysmic problem, man. Like, across all sports. It's not just the NHL. This is a serious problem. That level of like, "Well, we've got to mac our officials for the sake of backing in." They've got a responsibility to protect players. And this is operational stuff. This is formatting stuff of getting things right. And they're blowing it. And I want to be clear. This is not about the winner loss. That's a safety issue right there. It doesn't matter if the Vancouver Canucks win or not. In the end, sure, they lose this game 4-3, they pick up a point. But that's a safety issue, right? Like, that's a-- Josh Manson didn't deserve to play the last 40 minutes of the game. Simple as that. No, 100%. 100%. And for those texts again saying, "Well, they blew a 3-goal lead." We literally started the first 15 minutes of this post game. We said, "Bad calls aside. You can't melt down the way you did." Multiple things can be true at the same time. And for those who just tuned in, we spent time. And somebody else who tuned in is like, "Well, I guess talking about JT making a mistake." "What about Pedersen?" "Well, we spent time when it leaves Pedersen." I urge you to download the podcast and listen to the video later on. If you don't tune in right away at the top, chances are we've covered some of the things you say we're avoiding. Just relax. Just relax. All right, keep your thoughts coming in. Randy, great stuff here, man, tonight. And we'll see how the Canucks fare the next game. That's right. On the weekend. What's going on here, man? Does the schedule so light? I don't know what to do with my extra time here. Yeah, it's been this week. I'm just going to grab the studio tomorrow in just a day high in my free time, guys. You want to come in and work? No. No, are you sure? All right. Hey, man, you put an extra work on Friday on Deadline Day. He was up at what? 6 a.m. And that's 5.38. Oh, yeah. Sorry. You had to jump in. You had to jump in. You have hour matters. Yeah. Damn, Murphy got stuck in Vegas. Stuck in Vegas. Stuck in Vegas. Stuck in Vegas. I'd love to get stuck in Vegas. Big quotations. Big quotations. All right. He's Randy, Janet, great stuff. Calling the game along Sabrina Bachelore. Four, three overtime loss for your Vancouver Canucks against the ass. Keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber text inbox. 656. 50. You can also grab a phone line. 604. 280. 0650. You're toll-free. 1888. 275. 0650. Go to the phone board, Vic, a lot of reaction on the text inbox. 650. 650. And man, there's a lot going on here. Let's face it. Let's face it. If anything, Manson only gets a fine. Manson should get suspended. Another text message says, "A wise Manson even hitting JT. JT's tied up and has his back turned. That's targeted. That's Owen texting in. So a lot of frustration from fans on the JT Miller on the hit by Manson on Miller." Yeah. It's overwhelming commentary with that play right now in the inbox. 650. 650. And again, maybe they don't score on a five-minute major. Maybe they don't score on the power play. And it's a non-issue. But the issue is bigger than just what happened in this game. This is a regular occurrence, not just in Vancouver. Across the league, across ports right now, that officiating, I think, is at an all-time low. A terrible standard right now. And the night like tonight, like very fortunate, there was no harm towards JT Miller. He was back on the ice, misses that power play, but he was back on the ice for the second period. Imagine you have to go do the concussion spot check. But it's a safety issue more so than anything. Yeah. Were the issues? The thing is, like, the E and Cole penalty, that stuff to me over the course of a season comes out in the wash, right? So I'm not even that aggrieved by that. It's not great. But I'm sure there's other issues tonight that the Canucks probably should deserve penalties. Like, there are every night. But to miss major operational things is the thing that you look at and say, "What is the process for these officials to look at a play like that and say, "Oh, right, two minutes? We're fine." And we're not going to hear from them because they're not going to ever explain it. So it just goes, it just kind of like us screaming into the ether, essentially. We're fans doing the same thing and you never really get to the bottom of any of these things. There's a lot more reaction on the text than box. Mike in Mission says, "Hi, guys. Where's Petey? Generates almost nothing. Has to be a difference maker." And there's been a lot of text messages about Elias Patterson tonight not being good enough. And it wasn't a great game from him. But there's the narrative of he can't do it against good teams is backing. And this happens all the time. Like, he has a good game against good teams. Nobody says anything, has a bad game against another good team. And it's like, this guy can't play against good teams. Listen, I don't have time for the Patterson wars. But in terms of the game story tonight, like I said, I thought defensively for much of the night did a lot of good things. Had a couple really bad sequences defensively in the third. Offensively, not much happening there with that line. I thought that was the one thing I was hoping to see here tonight, because that line and getting a bit of a push. And they didn't generate enough offense tonight. Yeah, there was a lot of muted moments by that line. Yeah. Opportunities that developed and arose. But, you know, Hoaglander had a couple of plays where he flubbed to pass and a chance went begging. At least Patterson had a play where he skated into the zone, got past Jack Johnson, but didn't try to get a shot off quick enough. And Johnson's able to recover. And then there goes the opportunity. And suddenly the Canucks are, you know, wanting for a chance to come back. And there was just multiple moments like that for that line. P.U. Souter, you know, makes a great read on a gorgiev coming out of the crease to make a play. But the puck goes under a stick. They're getting home as a chance later on a similar moment. And they can't convert. And so it's these fine margins of these opportunities that present themselves that the Canucks didn't capitalize. Like there was chances to put this game away. Yeah. Well, they did. And you don't do it. And you give them hope. And they get a one year at the end of the period. And suddenly, especially the Patterson penalty is the one that you just look at and say. You just had to be composed for seven minutes. Right? If you burn off the first seven minutes of that period, they probably say, you know what? We got our two points yesterday in Calgary. Let's close it out. But you give them right fresh off the score in that goal at the end of the period. You give them a power play. They go get another one. And it's like, all right, we can ramp it up here. We can get our two points tonight. Yeah. 100% right. And it's just one of those things where we weren't able to match that intensity of the third period. And the Canucks lose four three in overtime against the Colorado Avalanche. Let's take a couple phone calls here before we hit the break. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. We're going to take a couple of minutes. The point I was going to make was back to what you guys were saying about them paving in. They're so good. They moved their feet. The first period is such a jackal and hide with the third. Are they mentally tired? They don't have the stamina. What's going on with these guys where they can hide so badly after so dominant to play? I don't understand that jackal and hide part. I'll hang up, listen to what you have to say. Thanks a lot, guys. I mean, it's excellent. I didn't have to rant about the officiating. It's all fantastic. I love it. Hey, Jim. Thanks for the kind words and thanks for calling in as well. I do think, so you brought up the fact that the Canucks have been blowing some leads now. Multigold leads. The Canucks have lost five games in leading by three plus goals since the start of last season, most in the NHL. Yeah. It's just last season now. It's a bit different, right? Also, they've lost a few multigold leads recently. And, you know, we were talking about this with Randy, but a little bit. Or even recovered games where they've lost multigold leads recently. Yeah. So, to the fatigue part of it, I don't think it's fatigue. No. I think it's a mentality thing. Certainly not tonight. It was not fatigue. You cannot believe fatigue. And every time I hear the coach talk and he sounds like he wants them to press more in a third when they have the lead. Like, he's happy we don't give anything up. He talks about that, but he also kind of mentions we can't sit back. It's a mentality thing the team has to figure out on its own. And I know the coaches can mention things, but in the moment when you guys are playing, can they get to the stage where they're playing well defensively, but they can also push forward. And tonight, it was like, you weren't playing well defensively and you weren't pushing, so you weren't really generating either. And it really felt like, in the third, it was only a matter of time before Colorado would tie. It seemed like it was only a matter of time before they would win the game. And I felt, okay, you get to overtime, hey, maybe it's anybody's game. But then the Carson Sousie penalty, and, you know, James and Qualicum says, Carson Sousie's been fantastic. That's a bad penalty in a bad time. It's unfortunate, too. It's just, it's more bad luck. Bad luck, right? But it's also like, you have to make sure in those moments your focus. And again, I thought the Canucks focus in the third was simply not good enough. And that's a microcosm of it for the entirety of that third. And we were just talking about moments that, you know, opportunities that presented itself to the Canucks through the course of 35, 40 minutes. And don't get that fourth goal. You do have to give a lot of credit to Colorado tonight. That they kept ramping it up. And the tempo of the game kept playing to their standard. And it changed, as Jim said, the first period, such a Jekyll and Hyde in the third, will look how fluid that Miller line in particular was. And really the Lindholm line in the first, you know, 35 minutes. They were generating tons. They were putting a lot of pressure. And Miller was flying all over the place in the first 20, first 35. And it fizzled. And in that switch, it's not as if the Av is just kind of coasted and looked for the rock. Like they were flying in the second part of the game. Yeah, they really were. And I thought they played last night. They did not look like a team that played last night. And so that's the mentality you got to get to. That's the stage you got to get to. And look, they got time here to start to instill that sort of belief in themselves here. Now, it helps them when you're validated and you have a Stanley Cup behind you, like the Av's do. And they say, hey, we can do this. But you kind of saw the both, you saw what the peak looks like. And that's the fear of going up against the team, that you had a three-nothing lead, but they can push back with the peak. And can you match that? And you have to try to batch it. You can't just sit back and assume, oh, we're protected by the three goals. We'll get out of here with the two points. You've got to push back the old meat pressure with pressure. And they certainly didn't. So I think every opponent that Canucks have played so far this season, they've shown an ability to play to the top level that the other opponent has had. Except against Colorado. The first game they played Colorado, they were great for the first 40 to third. Colorado took it to another level, the Canucks couldn't match it. I thought they played really well the second time they played. It was just unfortunate, couldn't score enough, end up losing 3-1. It was a 2-1 game, empty netter makes it 3-1. Tonight, again, couldn't match the intensity in the third. And that's one concern against this Av's team. Are you truly able to knock them off? And that's something that is still very much a work in progress. All right, we are going to get to more of your phone call. So hold on to your phone line 604-280-0650. Also keep your thoughts coming into our Dunbar Lumber text inbox, 650-650. And we'll get to more of your reaction. 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And the Avalanche come all the way back after trailing three to nothing late in the second period. They get a power play goal in overtime to beat the Canucks 4-3. 30 seconds into overtime. The abs end it. And they do complete the comeback here. As Nathan McKinnon, the usual character on his left hand side, gets the puck. And first time doesn't shoot the second time he does in it. There is a deflection, a heavy deflection that goes off. Julesson and potentially Neutushkin on that goal, but it certainly hit Noah Julesson off his knee. And the face, maybe the visor of Balnichouskin to go into the net. Unlucky bounce for the Canucks as they drop this one. 4-3. Canucks lose 4-3 in overtime against the Colorado Avalanche. And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks. Sports on the 650 and the sports net radio. Networks out to your Shaw with Big Nizar. We are going to get to the thoughts of the Canucks head coach. Plus we're here from J.T. Miller as well. That's coming up in a few moments time, but a lot of reaction big on the text inbox. So hit some of those before we go to our foam boards loaded up as well. So what are the people saying here tonight after a pretty tough 4-3 loss where the Canucks weren't full control up until the end of the second period almost just gave up a goal. And from that point on it was all Colorado here tonight. 650, 650 into our Dunbar Lumber text message inbox. This one, Dave from clone as I was watching the game. There was this point where you could see things were going south. Is that not a good time to call timeout and collect thoughts? Just a thought. So questioning Rick Tock. It's game management there. This one Sean. It was like they could, they would dump and change the second they gained any sense of control over the play in the third. Seemed like a silly strategy in the moment. And ultimately it was in the end. There was a moment, I'm not sure if it was a third or second. But Brock Besser had like a controlled zone entry in the middle of the ice. And the D-men were backing up a little bit. And he deliberately shot wide of the net. Just to get it in deep. I was like, well that was like the most chip in chase moment you had ever seen. Yeah, it's like you, they're giving you, inviting you the space. Just take the space. Yeah, it was so odd. I'm pretty sure that was the second period. And it's moments like that where it's like, yeah, they started to pull in the reins themselves. 650, 650, last one here. The Canucks sat back in the third, both offensively and defensively. This was the wrong team to do this with, especially when their top players always showed up to play. No excuse to lose game after leading 3-0 playing a team that played the night before. Talk it. Should start yelling. That's from a gusto in Richmond. Yeah, and we will hear the coaches' thoughts here coming up in a bit. I know people want him to have some fire brimstone at the officials. I would say you're probably not going to get that from the head coach. I mean, he hasn't shown it all year. Why would he show it now? Right? Certainly not 15 games going from the playoffs. If this whole thing is, you know, don't get on the officials' bad side and treat them, you know, give them honey. And hopefully that's what helps you out. Maybe that's his motto here with it. But yeah, we'll hear from the head coach coming up in a few moments. Let's go to the foam board. 604-280-0650 or toll free. 1-888-275-0650. Let's go to the dispatch heating and plumbing hotline. And we go to Richmond, where we have Bill on the line. Bill, thanks for calling in. What do you have for us here tonight? Hey, boys, second time here. We were at the game seated behind the gorgia or whatever. And so that hit was so bush. It replayed it up on top of the jumbotron. You can see Masson Manson leading with his elbow. And JT's face, like, it was plastered against the glass when he took the hit. And when he went down, I was surprised that he even came back into the game, personally. And our whole section just erupted. And that two-minute, it was just a joke. But needless to say, played an excellent game. Like, it was very entertaining for the first two periods, like watching them just totally clogged up that neutral zone. Like, Colorado had no answer, trying to get into the zone. And, you know, I don't know what it is, like, if it's gas or what have you, but we just completely ran out of it. And watching even, like, again, being over critiquing, you can look at it. But Besser, like, he wasn't getting to the puck. Petey looked unstable a few times. And there was a chance on the opportunity when we had the power play when he was clearing the puck out. And he took a stick to the face that wasn't called. But, again, you know, a couple of bad luck, you know, calls more or less. Like, when Susie was clearing that puck and went over the boards, it was just a nightmare. But needless to say, watching McKinnon in person, first time ever, man, I would do anything to have a player like that on our team. Like, the first couple of periods, like, he was, I thought he was just tired or what have you. But man, when he came out in the third, guy was unstoppable. It was scary to watch. I was like, he's just going to take it all the way. But anyways, I'll hang up and listen. Hopefully, hopefully we get it together. I just hope if we can squeak out a point here and there and stay healthy and ramp up our conditioning, quote unquote, because the playoffs are a different animal. Thanks, guys, for taking the call. Hey, Bill, thanks for the phone call. Good thoughts coming in. And, yeah, I mean, we're all kind of Florida on that JT Miller play. And, you know, you know, kind of echoes what we were talking about in terms of the third period, too. And Nathan McKinnon, when he takes the game over, and this is kind of, again, what I referenced the last time, the first time these two teams met, they were very even through the first 40. And then McKinnon just decided to go to another level in the third. And nobody on the Canucks was able to kind of match that. I thought JT had a great start to the game. First shift, right? I mean, he's into it on the opening face off gets thrown out. How often do you see somebody get thrown out in the opening face off, right? So you knew JT came to play right away. And then, you know, gets the goal. And then the second goal they scored, JT just, you know, lugging the puck through the neutral zone, using his sides, his speed, going around the net, finding McKF. So he was, like, all over it. Gaining an edge on the car on that play. Yeah, it's just like just left a little bit of a sliver opening. He just takes it. Yeah. But then in the third, there was no Canucks player that was able to kind of match that. And that's what you needed these types of games, right? So I see a lot of the criticism by Patterson. And like we said, it's one of those things when they play well, it goes quiet, when he has a bad game, it comes up. However, the next step for him as a player and the next step for this Canucks team is, in the moments, when the stars on the other teams take their game to the next level, when teams elevate, are you able to match that? And that's something that's going to be critical in the postseason. Absolutely going to be critical in the postseason. Especially in this recent run here where JT is really picked up, right? Yeah. He's like, that first period was as fairly close as spectacular as Queen Hughes was on Saturday against Winnipeg. He was flying and nullifying the power five for the apps. Like their power five guys were dashed to 20 minutes into the game. And it was solely because of JT Miller. And he's here since, what, just before the all-star break, maybe even the new year, like he's been turning it up. We've talked so much about how good he is to come turn a calendar. Like he's got 39 points now and 31 games after tonight's effort. So he's turning it up. People got a fall suit. Yeah. Like one guy is getting himself ready for the playoffs. One guy's really charging hard and playing with a lot of ferocity. Playing with the level that requires victories in playoff time and crunch time. Queen Hughes showed it on Saturday. And other guys got to follow suit more often to be able to like, hey, every once in a while, you know what level you have to get to. And right now, like number nine, someone that's doing it consistently. Yeah, absolutely is. Let's go back to the foam boards. Let's go to Burnaby where we have Gary on the line. Gary, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? All right. We lost Gary. So let's go to Surrey where we have Nathan. Nathan. Oh boy. Yes. Yes. Hey, daddy. Hey, big Graham, a two-galloping stallion. How are we doing tonight? Good. Good man. Good stop. I predicted the abs would get this thing done. And then put it OT. But I didn't expect that anti-climactic ending. That was a bit tough to get. Both wonder had that juicy grade eight in front in the third. And if you put that one just a little bit higher on board. Yeah. I think it's a different ball game for sure. Good for Snake, Bitten, Iliad to get that one. First goal since the prehistoric age boys. Let's go. The zebras were totally gone in for us tonight boys. And I won't, like, I won't speak on that too much as everyone else has already. But that's a five-minute major with the way the zebras have been calling it this year. Hey, like, what are we doing here? Privileged to witness another J.T. Miller masterclass. Throwing the body, passing while scoring all around the game. Great game from Bonner Garland as well. I thought he was getting super aggressive in the corners. And it's a tough one at the end there. For Seth's second Messiah, Carson, Sossey, Susie. Absolutely potato gunning that best get into the credits. But, you know what? A point against the abs, I think we'll take it. And we keep pulling it out of the oilers. So that's the reason, right? Back to the jam. After this one for the boys, right, Max? You got it. Thanks to the phone call. Appreciate it. That's Nathan calling in. All right. Let's keep things going on the phone boards. Take one more call. And then we are going to get to the thoughts of the Canucks head coach. And let's go to Vancouver where we have Ted on the line. Ted, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Ted, Ted, Ted, Ed. You're on. All right. There you go. You're on. Guys, that guy was really fun. Bring him back again because I think he's really funny. One thing I really noticed in this game, actually a couple of things. The first one, it's better since body language. There's got to be something wrong with this guy because every single time I see him, like, miss a pass or he gets hit. He just, like, pushes head down, skates back to the bench. There was one incident, actually, where he got hit. And then J.T. Miller and him were changing. And he was taking a long time to go back to the bench. And J.T. Miller pushed him to the bench. So I was actually at the game. I saw that. I was like, wow, there's something wrong with this guy. I don't know. I mean, it's not his game. It's not his play. But it's something wrong. Maybe he's injured or something like that. And then the second thing I noticed too is that their power play is really stale. And they don't really have a second unit to back them up. To kind of show a different look, you know? So I don't know. That's something I haven't seen. Canucks really do really well. Is their power play their zone entry. The drop pass from Quinn Hughes is really not working. He's not trying to. He's not challenging the other team to do a zone entry on his own. Like, he's just so predictable. And it shows in this game. Like, it's just, you know, this is the first time I've actually seen them live. And I'm disappointed. Actually, I don't see it as a contending type of team. You know, I've seen the sedines and that era. They were really dominant back then. I don't know. I could be wrong. What are your thoughts, guys? Hey, thanks for the phone call at calling in from Vancouver. I do agree on the power play. That's, you know, they have professional teams tonight. They did for the as power play over three of the Canucks. And the Canucks, you know, their power play went from in the first 20 games being top three in the league. They have now fallen to outside the top 10. They're like 13th coming into the game may even fall more after tonight. So it's one of those things where the power play is gone from being a legitimate weapon to, I wouldn't say a weakness, but it's not a, it's really not an edge for the Canucks right now. And if your power play doesn't become an edge for you again, it's going to be difficult to go really deep in the playoffs. You know, if you don't score in the power play in the postseason, like your PK's got to be completely locked down. Like you can't be giving up goals on the PK if you're not scoring in the power play. And hey, it was a five on three. That's tough. One of the goals, right? That's, and when we talked about that call and everything, but to me, that's the big thing. So if I've got this correct, I think they are six of 49 in their last attempts here. So clicking about 12%, which is not fantastic. Now they've scored here more recently since the Boston game. So in the more immediate stretch in the last eight games, this makes them five for 21 effort tonight, which is much better, but it's these moments, right? Situational power plays. You got that chance in Hoaglander. The puck bounces perfectly for him in that spot. Could he shovel it in and it don't get that one. The earlier caller Nathan mentioned in that play. Change the complexion of this game. Don't bury it. Those chances are few and far between against elite level teams. Yeah. No, absolutely. And you have to be able to come through on those opportunities. All right, we'll get to more of your text messages and more of your phone calls. But let's get the thoughts of the Canucks head coach after a four, three overtime loss against the avalanche. Here is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett. Well, obviously that goal, I didn't think, you know, obviously that goal. Making three and one was kind of a head scratcher. But I think they started to go. The Ken and them started to fly. And we just couldn't get anybody to grab ahold of a puck, whether it's on a four check or a breakout, just to kind of slow things down. We were a little hot potato. And we were kind of soft on the puck. This is mostly the third, I think. You know, it's a hate to say it, but learning lesson. You know, we need some guys to dig in on certain situations. We couldn't get somebody, we couldn't get anybody to grab a puck for us and hold it. When it comes to the Manson hit, what was the explanation you got from the official? Were you surprised it was only a minor? Well, I got to take a look. You know, I don't know. Kyle Ray, he's a really good, I like Kyle Ray, he's a good ref. I like to talk about it because I think sometimes there's a reveal, I don't know. So I'll get an explanation from somebody. They'll tell me something. Rick, was there something about your club's composure in the third that sort of caused you to be soft on pucks as you put it? Yeah. Yeah. In decisions, not playing through people, not skating. But when you had the puck, it just felt like everybody just kind of froze in certain times. Which sucks because the first half it was working, you know, obviously the way we've been playing, it just felt we couldn't get enough guys to composure or meet pressure with pressure. It was just like everybody just kind of wanted, let's get the game over with the bite, just whatever. And I think, you know, it's something that we got to learn from. I mean, we need people to grab a hold of it. Their guys took all the mckens that I'm taking this game. We need somebody to, a couple of guys to counteract that. And I thought we didn't, you know, Casey Smith battled really hard tonight for us. That was a positive. With the way your team's defensive games trended five on five, especially since the Winnipeg game, it seemed like no one had an easy time getting clean through you in the neutral zone. And that just flipped. Is that a matter of individual play? Or did they do something that caused you guys some stress tonight? Well, I think when pressure hits you, you know, you got to find people in the puck. I think sometimes when pressure hits, people start, you know, where's the puck? Where's the puck? And then they're good at, they're good at, their middle drive guy takes our defenseman. They're good at that. And they're very good at going downhill to our net. So that's when you got to really strap it on. And, you know, you got to find a guy and then find the puck. I think we're just kind of, where's the puck on that goal? Like, you got to clear people. It's not the defenseman too. It could be forwards. It could be anybody. And I thought we just got away from that or, you know, we got to get better at it. But we have to, you know, as the games go on, the pressure goes on. That's really when you, that's really, probably pressure hockey is when there's scrambles and everybody, like, get your man. You know, don't worry about the puck and then find the puck. We did the opposite and that's why they got that one goal. And I think that's why they started to take over the game, personally. When you're in that situation where, kind of, in the third period when the situation is flipped, they're pushing. You're not meeting pressure with pressure, as you say, is what is the challenge in kind of flipping that switch and getting back to how you were playing earlier in the game? Is it, when it's the whole team that is maybe losing that composure? Yeah, you do a couple of guys, whether it's a forecheck, you know, dead in the puck. First guy, take your man. Second guy, like, get a hold of the puck. You're, you know, disconnected. We dump it. One guy was over here. The guy, like, we're too spread out. We just didn't have any, we needed people to take charge in certain situations. You know, you got the puck and the slot. You know, go north with it. You know, we lose it. We take a penalty. It's things like that where you need somebody to take a hold of it. And I thought, tonight, I thought the last bunch of games, we started to find that. But tonight, you know, it's disheartening for me because I really thought, I mean, three and a half and we could have made it four and a half. And then even when they made it three to one, we, you know, I know people are going to talk about soft calls here and there, but I'm not going to blame the ref. It's, to me, it's just we were soft on pucks, bottom line. And they know it. I mean, the guys, I hope they know it. All three of your goals are coming off plays that go around behind the net. Is that something you identified as a tactic to use against this specific team? Or is that just how you want them to play in general? I don't like, you know, we have a specific way of playing when teams go behind the net. And you've got to be aggressive early and if you're not, then you've got to take, then you have to take the middle away. We were in between. We weren't aggressive, right? And then we were, then we would dive in and that's how they got those chances in front. Oh, oh, sorry. Yeah, no, we talked about that. We talked about some of the, you know, playing the Colorado. Sometimes you can look for those plays. Yeah, that was a positive. Rick, recently in all season long, you've talked about learning how to play uncomfortable. In the third period, it felt like there was some uncomfortability. But what are you guys trying to learn, I guess? Like, when you're talking about playing uncomfortable, what are you talking about that's different from what you saw in the third period? Well, I just think you've got to, you know, if you've got the puck and you've got three, four feet to skate with it, then take that ice. And then the second, third guy, know where your spot's to go to receive the puck. But if the guy's not skating with it, he just wants to flip it out. And you've got two or three guys basically just skating, you know, like not to position to want it, then you just got basically people just skating for the sake of skating. Like, nobody's demanding or wanted the puck, demanding the puck. And I think when pressure comes to you, you want to be, if it's a wheel, wheel it. You know, if it's a reverse, it seems like we just were, I just want to get rid of the puck and everybody just kind of froze, to be honest with you. And that was the second part of the game. The first part we were happy with. And then maybe we got rattled with the penalties, I don't know. But, you know, we'll get the, we got two practices. And we're going to practice two really good hard practices. I think we need it. I think, you know, given the two days off, I thought I was a genius the first half. But obviously it wasn't because I did not like the battle of the second half. And I don't know if that's two day layoff. I don't know how to figure that one out. You got the overtime goal of bounces off of face. You got the second goal, I believe, was the one. Anyways, two weird goals on Casey Smith tonight. We think that does for the players in front of them, I guess, to see the way that he played and played so well, knowing that he's going to be getting a lot of starts here. Yeah, no, it's good to see you. You got like that battling, played hard for us, played hard, really hard. Rick, tonight when you look at the game, is it a situation maybe where you gave your opponent too much respect? And what I mean by that, you're up three nothing. You know, you've talked about it in the past where you don't want to take unnecessary chances. Maybe in this situation, guys took the foot off the gas a little bit. And instead of still playing aggressively and playing with pressure when they're playing the defensive structure, they almost kind of were too passive and allowed thinking it's Colorado, whatever the case may be, and allowed them to get back in the game. Yeah, it's a great question. Playing aggressive doesn't mean like being stupid, like just diving in. We lost our F3 a bunch of times, they started to come at us. So aggressive in me is being smart. You know, we want people to go in. We want you to be F3 over top of something, you know. Aggressive's not just diving in. To me, that's not smart. I thought we lost our F3 the second half of the game. Now I don't know if they thought it was going to be an easy game, point night, or whatever, because we were up three nothing. But that's Colorado. And they get, when there's a missed shot, like we did it a couple of times, we're forward to go down the wing. And we take a low percentage shot, it goes the other way, and that's how they got the transition. That's how they got their legs. And I think we look at our goals. Garland held it, went around the net. Miller went around the net. Like we held the puck, but then we started throwing pucks around. That's what happened. If somebody goes the other way, now we got to defend. Now they're on the forecheck. It's just a domino effect. And that's where you need somebody to take a hold of it. And I thought we were searching for people at that point. Just your thoughts on McCabe getting a goal. It's been a long time for him. And he's been doing some better things of late. Did you feel good for him to get rewarded tonight? Yeah, hopefully he'll loosen up now. Yep. That is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett, who is more willing to blame the lack of practice than the officials tonight. And he said, "Hey, I would love to be able to talk to them to understand what kind of went on." So we've had people text it and say, "By the rule, the letter of the law, illegal checks to the head, it can be assessed a minor penalty, but a major penalty cannot be assessed." However, the rule continues to say that based on official discretion, it could lead to a match penalty, a match misconduct. So they can still toss the guy from the game. Or they could just call it elbowing and go to the review. Exactly. Tyler Myers got one. Oh, I remember the Myers Miller thing. Yeah. And it was a Myers and Cole. Myers and Cole. It was very clear that they got it wrong, of the wrong players. But then at the end, the NHL said, "Well, they got the right call." That's all that matters. Maybe the process wasn't correct, but the call was right. The process here, by the same thing. You can't have it both ways. You know what I mean? So it's one of those things where you could easily call the boarding. You could easily call it elbowing. I mean, the elbow hits him in the head. I think it's Columbus, right, Danforth? Yeah, Danforth. And they got the two players mixed up and they were completely wrong on the players. And the second play, they didn't even happen until the arm went up. So it was very clear they're looking at the first play, but then realized the second play was, you know, a problem, so they end up calling that one. It was wrong process, right? That's the problem with opening the floodgates on moments like that way back against Columbus. Because we can turn to this and just point to it and say, "Why do you inconsistency?" There you go. That's the issue. And when you don't follow the processes there, it's fair for everyone to wonder in this arena. It's not as if this happened in Arizona, in Marina. And it's like, "Oh, it's a nothing game, Ottawa and Arizona." Sorry, Ottawa. It was Ottawa and Arizona. It's like, no, it happened in this building. No, it was, yeah. These fans have seen this. These fans have seen you go through video review and eventually make the right call. You called it correctly on Myers way back when against Columbus. But your process to get there wasn't right. And that's what I talk about operation of. Like, the ref shouldn't be freewheeling it and figuring it out in real time. I'm like, "Oh, whatever. Rules be damned. We'll just do it." And then tonight, you had every opportunity to do it again. Yeah. Make the right call. One hundred percent. I guess I shouldn't be surprised if the NHL doesn't come down with supplemental discipline because it's been the wheel. But look at the Parker Kelly headshot on Andreas Englund. That got two games. If that gets two games, this has to be a one or two game suspension. It looks so stupid, where a guy's going to get suspended and you only got a two minute minor in the game, right? Now, he wasn't going to go down that road the way we have and criticizing and criticizing the officials. And he's right in putting it on the players. And you know what? In the third, they were soft on pucks. They really were soft on pucks. Well, the goal, Lindholm's got like a four foot pass tonight. Yeah. Probably a bit more. Six foot pass tonight. And he was actually good up up until that moment, I thought. And I really thought, yeah, in the first 40 minutes from the offensive zone face-offs back to the Canucks blue line. I thought he was fantastic. He repelled so many opportunities. And just check speed for the abs coming out of their zone repeatedly. And this play, like he's on the puck. There's an ass player near him, but he just hits that pass that are out of the zone. Misses it. Big time. And then there's the prolonged chance. Manson gets a short side shot. Goes off the outside of the net. There's the net front jam by Wood. And then Colton's there on the ground. Able to get a shot through and not good enough. And it's those moments when you're thinking, all right, soft on the puck, even the McKinnon goal. We're only got a chance to clear that. Doesn't get enough on it. Julesin makes a great shot block on my car. And so when the puck gets worked around, they had their opportunities. Bluegert even had one even before the goal, where he doesn't have a strong clear. And Ranting is able to walk in and find some room. And to Smith was there. I think Ian Cole was sliding with to Smith there. And he was able to get a glove on it. Rick Talkett, like as much as we want him to talk about the officiating and maybe some strategic things that were on him. But he called it as it is. They were soft on pucks. And every opportunity that they had opportunity to get the puck out. And they just didn't. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know if I'd also buy. We're going to take a break. We're way late. We'll get to your reaction coming up here in a second. But I don't buy the hole. Hey, maybe we shouldn't have had two days off. Honestly, it just sounds like an excuse for him to not give them too many more days off the rest of the season. Yeah. You know, I'm not sure I buy that, right? Maybe that was just him maybe putting himself in the firing line. Perhaps. Right. Maybe put it on me a little bit. What are we talking about? A hundred percent. Oh, it wasn't. They had too much time off. Exactly. That's why they slowed down now. A hundred percent. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our text them box and grab a phone line as well. And we'll get to more of your thoughts. As a Connect Central post game show continues presented by the number five orange of Vancouver legend. They've got sports too. More coming up next on Sportsnet 650. The most comprehensive Canucks coverage in the city. Connect Central with Dan Reitio and Satyar Shah. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Canucks Central post game show. Join the discussion on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet radio network. It's middle stat McKinnon, ranted in McCarre and Nejushkin on the power play and the avalanche win the draw. Kayla McCarre. Into the high slot. Rich shot blocked by Juleson. Why? The net ranted in near corner goes back to McCarre at the line. Thirty seconds left on the five on three. McKinnon, one timer left circle scores. Set up by Kayla McCarre. Wires it past to Smith underneath the crossbar and it's a one goal game. Nathan McKinnon makes it three to two. And for this power play when it's five on three, it's target practice. They started to go. McKinnon started to fly and we just couldn't get anybody to grab hold of a puck. Whether it's on a four check or a break out just to kind of slow things down. We were a little hot potato and we were kind of soft on the puck. This is mostly the third I get. It's a hate to say it but learning lesson. We need some guys to dig in on a certain situation. We couldn't get anybody to grab a puck for us and hold it. Canucks head coach Rick Talkett. Not too pleased with the Canucks coughing up a three goal lead losing four, three in overtime against the Colorado avalanche. And this is the Canucks central post game show presented by the number five orange. It was JT Miller opening up the scoring, Ian Cole and Brock Besser get the assist. And Ilya McKay of snapping a 34 game goalless drought. Ilya McKay of gets his 11th goal of the season. JT Miller and Nikita Zadorov get the assist on that one. And Zadorov makes it three nothing for the Canucks in the second. Garland and to Smith getting the helpers on that. And from that point on it was Colorado taking over very late. They scored with three seconds to go in the second period to make it three one and queued the comeback in a third period. Which was culminated with the victory in overtime by the avalanche. Rantinen McKinnon Colton and Nechuskin scoring the goals for the abs as they win four, three. All right, keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar number text inbox six fifty six fifty. You can also grab a phone line six oh four two eight oh zero six fifty or toll free one triple eight two seven five zero six fifty. And for all the talk about the officiating in the meltdown array from Nelson texted and it said. From Russia with love love the way put Colton played and of course what can you say about Dr. Zadorov and now. And how remiss remiss McKay of off to Schmitt with a lovely goal superb. That's Ray Finn Nelson texting in yeah. Yeah, but Colton early they credited him with five hits in the first period. And I think he ended up with. Yeah, he ended up with five but he got five hits in the first period through a big one on Miles Wood. Along the left boards there from our vantage points would be the the bench side boards in the first period. Yeah, I thought he was really strong in the first period. It was the type of performance you're like all right, man, like you seen a Schmitt skin. That's the idealized version of where I want to see Vasily put Colton end up. The the player profile is there and he's got the traits and he can be you know have his own version of his game. Of course, but you think man very active moving his feet ends up with 10 minutes and 32 seconds of ice time. Obviously once the game kind of tightened up some guys in their minutes get restricted. Sam Lafferty sitting there at 958 and Fieldie Giuseppe sitting at 1126. Those are your three low guys on the night. It knows Hoaglander at 1217 as well. I mean, like we mentioned before that line with Patterson Hoaglander and Souter not their most effective game here tonight. Dave from the Valley says who cares if the team's power play is predictable as long as you keep scoring. The entire league knows the puck will go to McKinnon for the one timer. Why can't we get PD to do the same? Shoot the puck as hard as you can Dave from the Valley. A fair point. The one thing I would say about Nathan McKinnon though, his ability to get his shot off. Like his shooting radius is large and like it's not a veteran big where like you can pick any pass. I mean, that's why a veteran might break the record, right? Patterson kind of needs the puck, especially with a long stick. Like it kind of needs to be in a smaller radius for him to be able to get that shot off. And the other thing that Nathan McKinnon can do that almost no player can do is attack downhill from a standstill position from where he's at. Patterson is just not as dynamic and explosive to attack that way and take guys on the way McKinnon can. But the point I do agree too often is kind of like Patterson is just kind of a guy part of the power play. Tonight they did not respect Connor Garland. At Connor Garland, there was there was a moment you may have been may have been wide open back door and they did not care at all that he's there. You were doing TV so you were on the other side of the ring this evening and I was over here. We both messaged each other at this moment because the abs essentially went man to man and just vacated Connor Garland. He had the whole side of the ice to himself. Yeah. And I'm like, we'll rip up these four. If it ends up there, we'll rotate. And then the costumes didn't even really feed it over there either. No, but I mean, that's why I don't understand. And there's been some times where he's been on the periphery of some battles and I'm not saying he's softer. He's afraid of getting in there's just if he's on the periphery of battles, he can't get a shot off. And he's kind of standing in his net front half the time. Like, I don't get it. Like, I don't understand the Garland experiment of the power play. I really don't. The two guys you mentioned as far as getting shots off there, OV and McKinnon. We're talking about like some of the best here in the past two decades. But they're also so good at just muscling shots through. Yeah. And if you ask Elias Patterson about, you know, his shot, one of the things he mentions is timing. So he's not going to go out of his way to try to muscle shots through. He wants it in a certain spot and he's all about timing up his shot. And that's the central part of why he ratchets it up to 100 plus miles an hour. Whereas those two other guys are just, yeah, they're big time volume shooter. Now he shoots with great accuracy. He can shoot with great power. But he's a volume shooter. But he, well, yeah, those other guys are. The other guys are. But Patterson wants it in a certain spot. Yeah. And if he's not getting it, sometimes he's quick to just pass it back. And, you know, it's usually towards his back skate and that's how he wants it. And when it does there, again, I'm with everyone. I'd like to see just, just rip it. Or the other thing too is that we don't see. And it's large in part because I'm a successful JT is how successful Quinn uses on the power play. But the playmaking element. I, you know, person's got vision. He's got good hands. He's not really used enough as far as a playmaker. He's not enough of a focal point. And he would probably say he's kind of a past first guy too. I mean, absolutely is. I mean, look at the, to me, the shot totals don't lie, right? So right now after tonight, Nathan McKinnon has 319 shots on goal. Elias Patterson almost has half of that at 177. Like there's a huge, huge golf between. That's just shots on goal. That's just shots on goal. Almost twice as many shots on goal for Nathan McKinnon compared to Elias Patterson. High volume shooter. Absolutely. I'm just trying to bring up the attempts here. He's at 569 coming into tonight. Yeah. I bet you pedestals are like, what, 250, 260, maybe? Yeah. It's a huge difference. A huge discrepancy between the two. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our text and the box. We'll hit some more as the show goes on here. But let's go back to the foam boards. 604-280-0650, you're toll free. 1-888-275-0650 on the heating dispatch plumbing and heating hotline. And let's go to Grand Prairie where we have Travis on the line. Travis, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Well, doctors, I need some therapy. I hate losing to Colorado. And my hatred for Colorado is back, especially because it beat us all three games this year. 12 to 6 in goals. That's frustrating. Yeah. The refs did not help at all. And of course, you guys mentioned the 5 on 3. Prince George is absolutely bang on. You guys like, you call it. And there's really anything callers can add because you're really good at your jobs. So I wholeheartedly agree with Prince George. Thanks, Travis. I didn't like how when they, well, you know, I love you since that day. It's a deep, deep 40. Colorado when they leveled up, it seemed like our boat was just couldn't match that intensity in that play. It was like, barely get the puck in and Colorado, bring it out, get some chances. And then our guys would get it out. And then, Petey, he kind of has a bit of a habit of disappearing in these kind of games. And then it also seems like Big Z and Jules and they were the only ones that had physical pushback. And, well, of course, put cold in two. You guys were just mentioning these five hits. It's not that the rest were 100% to blame. They sure didn't help because when they call certain things, when they don't call certain things and at the time of the game has a huge influence. And if our Canucks fans remember, Canucks played playoff hockey. Usually there was a guy in the box because the rest he just gets out of control. And when our guys are set off the game by the rest, it seems like it just falls apart. So I'm hoping they can make a liar out of me. But anyway, that's a couple of my thoughts. And thanks again, guys. Big bang on. I appreciate it. Hey, you got it. Thanks for the phone call. That is Travis and Grand Prairie calling in. Well, a lot of statements coming into the inbox. I have showing championship resiliency connected. Not doesn't bode well for the intensity of the playoffs. Well, here's the thing. You've got to learn it, right? You've got to apply. You've got to take something out of this game. You've got to track what you can and be able to apply it later. I have every faith that they can do it. But the value out of this game is saying, right, okay, that's what the level you have to get to. And you've got to be, you know, sound like Sean Connery here in Intouchable. It's like, what are you prepared to do? Like, they got to figure that out. And they can. They're qualified professional players. They can. It's just the tough reality in the game when we have three goldies. Hey, you know what, like, you know, the way the Colorado Avalanche are playing right now, it's not a terrible Sean Connery impression. It wasn't a great one. I wasn't going to do it. I was just going to do it. Yeah, you were smirking. I hear like this guy does not have the goods for this. Yeah, I was just going to move on from that one. Not even going to dignify that one of the response. But it's a learned behavior from Colorado too. Like Colorado, then he just wake up one day, you know, from the beginning, and this is how these guys played. I mean, Nathan McKinnon went from making the playoffs in his first season, the missing the playoffs three years in a row, having a first round exit, and then finally kind of breaking through and then having another tough year before going on to win the Stanley Cup in terms of the postseason. I mean, Nathan McKinnon, I mean, he wasn't. I said no Alfredo sauce. I mean, he just, he just, and he changed. I mean, Nathan McKinnon, his first four years in the National Hockey League, never scored more than 24 goals in a single season, which was his rookie campaign. Everyone over 53 points. And then it just went off, right? But that's a team that'll learn this. You know, so I get it. Like the Canucks are not where Colorado is. But if you go back to Colorado when they were starting to figure it out as a group, they also were a team that didn't have all these things figured out, right? And that's part of the equation here for the Canucks is, for as good as the year they've had, it has been a tremendous season. This may not be their peak. And there may be some lessons they still have to learn. Now, we don't know how many lessons they have to learn until you get into the postseason, and they have a shot. But it shows in moments like this, there is a level that they haven't reached yet in big games against big opponents at times. And I think McKenna's the perfect example of this. And so is McDavid, but the Canucks like romped the Oilers, you know, when they were going through their thing and we'll see how they played later on, and if they do meet in the postseason. But Nathan McKenna can find a level of play that very few players can, maybe just him and McDavid, to be honest, in terms of pace that they can play with. And the two out of the three games, he's brought it to another level in the third period. The first game they played in the third, they won Ham. This period now, bad officiating and all that, sure. But the Canucks can't match that intensity when they go to that level. And that's something they're going to have to learn to do. Yeah, and that's the commentary we've had many times. Okay, you need more game breakers, right? Yeah. They got ranted in who flashed in a couple of ones. They got McCar. They've got McKinnon. They've gotten a Tushkin. If Land of Chicago is healthy, right, they got him. They have a plethora of guys who can do it right now. With the way JT is going, with the way Queen Hughes is going, that's really two. Patterson, when he is going, that's three. They just don't really have that fourth one. I know you and Reed were talking with us earlier, comparing it to like previous stamp of 18s. And you're trying to like match it. Well, who's the fourth guy? It's like, yeah, you can find the Stamp Coast. You can say Stamp Coast is JT. Kucharov's Patterson had been in Hughes, a kind of similar basket left ski. Damn cool. And then it's like, well, where's the Brayden point? One short, right? Where's the Brayden point? And, you know, where's the other guy? And that's kind of where they still have some work to do. And the hope had been that you approximate that with Linholm. And, well, with what Linholm can do, what Besser can do, what Garland can do. Yeah. Hopefully you get a better version of the Alien McCabe. You kind of do it in the aggregate. But the thing is, is then people are going to say, well, Tampa had like a cologne. These guys have had a luck in it. And he just kind of beats it out. And there's a lot of commentary coming in about like Brock Besser. It's like, what do you do tonight? There's two shots on goal. He had a great chance in the first Alien McCabe set him up. Yeah. And he kind of flubbed it. It's just like that. Yeah. On the chance he hit him and he was in cold. Yeah. It's like that, that last little gap that they have to fill in. They got some studs. But now it's turning good players into great. And, yeah. And even Patrick Alvenan is a trade deadline presser. Was talking about like, yeah, it's a young team. They're going to have to learn some things in the playoffs. And was that part of the motivation to maybe ease up a little bit on the aggressiveness in the trade market? 100%. All right. We'll get to more of your reaction. We'll take up a call on the other side. Plus player reaction and Ian McIntyre. Brandon Epoco says it sounds like Sean Conney was trying to do a big impression. That's what it sounds like. All right. Good stuff from Brandon and others. Keep your thoughts coming in. More on the other side. Canucks lose 4-3 in overtime against the abs. And this is the Canucks on the post-game show. The home here connects. Sportsnet 650. What are you prepared to do? Like they got to figure that out. And they can. This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks central post-game show on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650. And the Sportsnet radio network. Zadora, from behind his own goal. Right wing the center for Garland dumps it past haves skates onto it near boards. Garland, behind the net. Out the left leg side bar circles. A door of scores. Big Z with a snapshot for the top of the circle. Beatzky Orgy Evan. It's 3. Nothing. Canucks. Throw and hit scoring goals. Nikita's the door of having an excellent game. Half way, almost five minutes through the second period. And Connor Garland just picks up the puck on the right hand side. Goes for a skate around the net. And finds Nikita Zadora on the left hand side. Just a little snapshot that ends up going straight through. Couple of Canucks in front of Orgyev. Didn't look like there's a deflection. But good job by the Canucks to get some traffic in front of the net. 3-0 Vancouver as Nikita Zadora adds another tally to his goal-scoring efforts here in Vancouver. He's got three now as a Vancouver Canucks. Canucks took the 3-0 lead. We're in control. But end up losing 4-3 in overtime. And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. We are going to get to some player audio. We are going to play the thoughts of J.T. Miller who did take that high hit from Josh Manson. But also had a strong game tonight. A goal and an assist. But we'll play that coming up in a second. A lot of reaction on the text in the box as well. Dunbar Lumber. 650-650. This one says, "Yukeboys keep saying learn from this. They have a great year. But they didn't learn from the loss to Pittsburgh loss." And a few others when they couldn't close teams out. Maybe Colorado was simply better. I mean, Colorado might simply be better. Colorado, when we talk about the toughest teams in the league. So for much of the year, the way I've been viewing it, we've been, I think, we were in agreement on this pick. So I think Nazar connects that Vegas and Colorado at their peak are probably in a tier of their own. But Vegas hasn't quite been there. It hasn't shown it. You know, now they have loaded up their roster, but they've got injuries. I do think right now Colorado is the one team that's kind of alone in terms of being top in that group. Yeah, maybe Florida can put them there. They have a peak, right? They have Barkov and Kachaka going. They just have such an orbit to them that a lot of teams struggled to keep up with. And he's throwing Sam Reinhardt right now is scoring. The way he's going. And they're deep with the solid. Bob Rossi has been really good. Sure. You want to put them in that discussion? Sure. I mean, that's a couple of teams, right? I think both teams have their flaws to them. No perfect team. Yeah. And yeah, maybe those teams are better than Vancouver. But that doesn't mean you can't learn from these situations. Because it wasn't just Colorado taking over and the Canucks, you know, just being out-skilled. It was a lot of turnovers like we talked about. And when you're turning the puck over and you're not going in as strong in battles, that's not always just on the other team. That's something you can control. Have the Canucks battled harder in the third, cleared pucks out, but they just got out-skilled and out-chanced. Despite that, I could say, "Okay." But they kind of gave the game back. Unforced turnovers. You know, that's the thing. And that's what I say you can learn from. If you're doing things that are unforced to me, you can learn from it. If you have a skilled deficiency, which does not allow you to keep up with the team, hey, they're just better. You just say, you just tip your cap and say, "Maybe it's not going to be for us against these, this team." But when you cost yourself the way the Canucks cost themselves, despite the bad calls, that's what you can learn from. 6.50. 6.50. Corey, the physio. Was that the game? Zidorov, absolute gem. Smart plays. Crushing hits. Answers the call. No problem. Needs a long-term deal. I'll second the compliments on your commentary. Oh, thank you very much. Rest were terrible. That is Corey, the physio. 6.50, I believe this one's Coach Owen, who said, "First time comment. Coaching since 1983. Canucks fans since day one. Frustrated tonight with the refs. Number 40 tonight. Something that absolutely drives me crazy. We win the face-off in OT, and we slap it down the ice, basically 100% possession to giving it over. Please play Kipo at the point three on four. That's a tough spot to do on the PK in OT. But nevertheless, thank you for the comment. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. I'm going to ask you, though, that's a tough spot to do on the PK. And this one from Jason Coquillum, just curious, is Rick Tockett too honest and open about his coaching strategy. Second, do ref take out fan frustration on the players, Jason from Coquillum. I like Tock's level of honesty because it's the right level of transparency, I think, from Rick Tockett. There are times when previous coach Bruce would say a couple of things that were almost two-pointed at certain players. And I think, "Well, okay, you're telling us your honest opinion, but is that actually productive?" And when I hear Rick Tockett's honesty and transparency about thoughts on players and tactics, whatever it is, I think there's a productive honesty where it's a natural discourse between a subject and a media member, and he's trying to provide his intellect onto it. So I actually really admire Rick Tockett's overwhelming honesty. And he doesn't really go so far to cart people up in it. That's honestly not really his style either. No, it's not really. I mean, he doesn't like to just single individuals out. And I think he's even more reluctant to do so after, you know, some things were perhaps taken out of context or some headlines and stuff like that. So he's even more reluctant. Don't forget about that, right? All right, now we'll get to more of your thoughts coming up in a bit. Let's take a couple phone calls. We have people waiting patiently to get on, so let's get them through here. Let's go to New West where we have Sean on the line. Sean, thanks for calling in. And what are your thoughts here tonight? Thanks, Jane McCall. I'm Biggin set now. I was at the game and stuff. And, you know what, you know, that goal the avalanche had in the second period late with like a 1.8 seconds left. I think for me, that was a turning point of the game because that gave the avalanche a life. I mean, the last five to six minutes of that second avalanche was kind of coming on, right? And that goal kind of just, you know, gave them life. I know I think the connects that they get out of there with the three-nothing lead. They may, that might be enough to put them avalanche away, I think. Personally, and that, you know, that's Susie penalty late. I mean, that's kind of like a salute. That's, that's normally not going to happen. So I'm not that mad and then you got to point out of the game. So, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, if anyone wants to be mad, I think, you know, big ship will probably be mad, to be honest with you, because the Seattle Seahawks are doing nothing in free agency. They're going for a bargain-basement signings right now. While Sats, Cleveland Browns are making big, big moves right now in free agency towards finally watching his team in a Super Bowl. So that's what I would be having my focus big tonight, because this game, the Canucks have at least got to point down at it. So have a good night and make sure you might call, bye. Hey, thanks for the phone call. You're right. I mean, the Seahawks are just kind of resting on their laurels, whereas the Browns are very aggressive in proving their football team. So yeah, I'm with Sean on this one. Hey man, the Cleveland Browns are notoriously known for being off season winners. [laughter] Hey, once he made the playoffs last year, once he missed the playoffs, and the team in Seattle didn't make the playoffs. They went all out on the 6th. They went all out on the 6th. That's all I know. Fair play. Fair play. But it's like, how many times have you been excited in the off season only to be disappointed? Right now, I'm excited. Okay. You can't take that. I also remember one of my favorite moments of the past, you know, seven years. I've only known sat for seven years here, which is a long time. In Dunedin for Blue Jays training camp. Yeah, and the Odell Beckham train just oh my dude Yeah, I got wrecked that night. That was like I got a phone call for a voice memo From sat and just goes oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god I don't know. I honestly was it was the most fun. I've had and what happened that season they had a tough year, okay? Not a tough year. It was like one of the most I've only known for like a year and I think I don't know if I need to know This guy is deep. I was very excited. Okay. It happens you get excited sometimes, you know, it's just one of those things. All right, fantastic stuff Uh as well coming in here on the text inbox Let's take one more phone call because we've had Gary and maple ridgewayting patiently to get on so Gary What are your thoughts here after the loss for the Vancouver Canucks tonight? Well, I watched the whole game. I'm uh and thank you for taking my call I watched the whole game and I'm gonna gonna say something to you guys uh, with all the penalties. I didn't agree with the with the uh penalty against manson, but that's not why i'm calling i'm calling about A guy that's number 40 and he did not exist tonight Not in my opinion mckinnon did I know the mckinnon is one of the best hockey players in the world but Pedersen has got a if you go, I don't go to the games, but if I did And I'm thought i've been thinking of doing it Uh, and if I did, I'd want to see pedersen do something and tonight Sorry, but not good enough I don't care how much he's getting paid the fact is he's supposed to be one of our better plus one of our best players And he wasn't mckinnon put that team Colorado on his back And they won and frankly they deserved it Uh, not for the first 40 minutes other than that two sets was left in that second period, but that third period 17 to 3 in our own building Uh, uh, not a chance. I'm uh, I like vancouver, but uh, no and by the way I am I am I happen to be one fan of mckinnon and he is one heck Of a hockey player. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. Uh, thanks for the phone call gary and maple rich big fan Of nathan mckinnon and everything that he can bring a strong game from him tonight Um, you know what it's time to get to our closer the man we call the triple threat for good reason you watch him on tv As you did today, you read him on digital as we always do and you're about to hear him on radio. He is eon mac and tyre i I've got time to write a song play out That's what the connect sort thank you to each other to the Uh, yeah, they just uh, it wasn't much confusion. They stopped playing. Yeah, I mean, that's basically what happened. They got up three nothing They give up The goal with 1.8 seconds left. It comes out of nowhere At least I thought it came out of nowhere. It turns out it came out of the photographer's hole in the glass So it did hit the camera hole it hit the camera hole. It hit the camera hole is that allowed? I think the camera hole is okay. The camera on the top of the board. That's what's yeah, okay. I see I believe yes uh bounced into the slot and Suddenly they just looked spooked and it didn't help That then they took the penalties or at least were called for penalties early in the third period Well said ranting in scores and now and now They're paralyzed. They they just they can't play. They're just flipping pucks out. They're not uh, not making plays when they could and you know in in the end there It wasn't a shock that it went the way the way that it did Uh, it wouldn't have surprised me if somehow When sousie flipped the puck over the the glass with what 8.7 seconds left Yeah, if somehow rent ranting in or mckinham had scored in that 8.7 seconds so the connects got nothing So they get a point and they get a lesson about uh, uh, uh margin for error against Against elite teams Absolutely and you know one of the things we were kind of talking about I want to get your thoughts on this And you know bick made the point that jt showed in a game like this, especially how he started He can play at that high level. All right. He can approximate You know the top levels that players can get to but it's now two games out of the three That connects a played calorado then in the third period the abs go to another level Nathan mckinnon especially just kind of takes his game to another level And it seems like the Canucks as a team and no individual great player they have can match him when he's now He might be the best or second best player in a league and perhaps That you just tip your cap But it's noticeable in a game like this that when he went to another level the abs went to another level The connects simply could not hang. Yeah Yeah, and and yet I mean mckinnon did his damage on the power play five on three and four on three so And miller I think won that match up at five on five by two goals Um, but the certainly the calorado team they got to not just one level They went up about three levels in the third period for from what we saw in in the first two Uh, I talked to no jules and after the game and Uh, he said he wouldn't say that they calorado were sleepy at the start But they weren't on their game and the Canucks were And once they got that goal at the end of the second They got some momentum and they started feeling it and he said once those guys start to feel it They feel it and and you could see the difference in calorado And there just wasn't the there wasn't the response or wasn't the adaptation Uh, that you would like to have seen from the Canucks and You know, this is game 67 They've only got 15 to go. How about that? Like we're only 15 games to go to the playoffs Um You know, it's it's game 67 that they shouldn't really be discovering any new flaws And and really I don't think this is a new flaw. I just think we we haven't Seen it in a while. You know, we've heard Talk it lament And I missed his post game tonight. So, you know, if there's anything earth shattering you can fill me in No, he he wasn't ready to blame the officials and he said they were too soft on too many pucks tonight and too many turnovers in the third Just really what we haven't seen in a while because the Pittsburgh game wasn't that long ago. Uh, When was the Pittsburgh? 27th of February. Yeah Where they gave it up in the yeah in the third. Yeah Like that that strikes me is yeah rather similar. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Um, that was also a three goal lead Not two goal lead. It was two goals in the first period. Yeah Okay What we have heard talk it talk about is That the players need to continue to make plays Under pressure and not fold under pressure. You know, what was one of his preseason Catchphrases is meet pressure with pressure. We've been hearing that since september And that tonight is a great example of failing utterly to do that And you know, I mentioned that they stopped making plays with the puck and they start just They're they're playing out of fear and they're playing in in reverse And you just can't you can't do that against a team that has nathan mckinnon on it Uh, you know inviting nathan mckinnon to attack Offering him ice and more of the puck than than what he should have if you're if you're managing it properly Um, you know, that's a that's a recipe to lose and that and that's what happened um And and you know the calls I I said to a colleague downstairs when the wait when we were waiting to go in because he was talking about how pat Badly the game was officiated and I said, yeah, but you know, we don't often Uh, jump on all the soft calls that go in the Canucks favor We let those ones slide and then we we pick the soft ones that are called against him Now that seems like an awful lot of soft ones have gone against him in the last uh few weeks Um, you know that the the call The call against coal for the hook with that mckinnon sold And I think it was one call had one hand on his deck and yeah, it touched his glove But mckinnon's facing the blue line. He's going nowhere and he still got the puck so like You know caused to clear or anything. I I thought that was a terrible call for for a five five on three but right after The face off cleanly won by a lice lin home run it hesitates with the pocket. It's a clean win You can get it down the ice. You've got time and space get down the ice He hesitates and then a stick comes in and he doesn't get to clear I turned to bick on that. I said they're gonna score now As soon as that puck didn't go out. Yeah, and I mean it was what a 41 second five on three potentially So that one clear wasn't going to make the difference, but it would have relieved 50 seconds It would have forced them to regroup and you and you know, the Canucks can prepare for the for the next wave Um on the on the tangle teddy blugger who's one of the most reliable players on this team the puck came around to him uh On the the right side of the Canucks zone And he had time to make a play With the puck to to get it out of the zone and relieve pressure and he failed to make that play and and Normally he does well You know, it was a blue girl in home. Uh, I believe it was blugger Like the pass. I'm pretty sure was off the sideboards. I'm pretty sure it was lindholm I'm now looking at the score sheet like the cold and goal, right? Yes, yeah, it's lindholm on this. It's lindholm on these 53 23 right? Okay So lindholm had the chance. Thank you for the correction lindholm had the chance to edit it in your piece to make the play and and didn't and and then that That extends the shifts the Canucks suddenly are under pressure There's guys diving and the puck ends up in their net. You know, these these are plays That you have to be able to make and those are You know, even more so lindholm than blugger These these are your top players some of your top players that have to be able to make those plays Absolutely, uh, sorry. Go ahead. Well, just can say that you can correct me anytime Um as far as like the the things that you have to learn So this is a couple of times it's happened minnesota and pittsburgh and now here Can this be learned within the season or do you have to have the crestfall of a playoff series? It's like hey, we have to get better now now. We get a real learning lesson there. I mean guys learn all the time like There's going to be a whole new set of lessons in the playoffs Like it's just at another level And I think they're aware of that some of the guys have been through it with other teams and and those who haven are going to learn quickly, but I mean you never stop learning and just because you have you have Um, you've gone through it a couple of times doesn't mean that you're never going to go through it again I mean this this was a relapse relapses Relapses happen, but it's just disappointing Under these circumstances in such a meaningful game against a team that is a legit Stanley cup contender While the connects are on this run where they've beaten other legit Stanley cup contenders And we're only 15 games from the playoffs. You'd rather You know you hope that the last of those lessons is in november But it's in the middle of march. Yeah But you know teams this does happen it's a matter of you know how they respond and Can they make sure that it doesn't happen again? Yeah, and I mean, you know, they've they've won four in a row before it's tonight So points in five straight games picked up the points tonight and everything So it's not like they know the sky is falling or anything, but just disappointing especially in the third period how they played and you know It's you know, we've gone over You know the hits and everything the bad calls quite a bit The one thing we haven't spent a ton of time on because the story of the game flipped so dramatically in the third and overtime Ilya mikef tonight Finally gets a goal 34 game drought gets snapped and he looked terrific especially in the first I mean it was jt that I really set the tone with how he was skating and driving But mikef fast on pucks driving towards the net. I mean he scores a goal He sets up best for a great chance that he can't score on I mean he was buzzing and if they can get him back to being at you know, at least close to the best version of himself I think that's a big key for this team and that's something that kind of went by the wayside here tonight because of how the connects lost This game here. Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that, but I I think that mikef has been trending the right way I mean, it's it's nice that he actually scored because that's reinforcement. Hopefully It it exercises some of the demons in his head and next time he's He's got time to think about a scoring chance. It's not going to be all bad thoughts now. He's got a good thought Um, but I think he's been playing better, but he is a guy that they have to You know, ultimately if you want to do something It it's got to be more than just your core players and we know their stars have been great And miller was great tonight. Uh peterson was very quiet tonight Quinn Hughes has been great most of the season, but if you're actually going to make a run You need these guys from the middle and bottom of your lineup To contribute and that has been one of the connect strengths this year, especially in the first half of the year All the stuff they got from their bottom six. Well that bottom six has gone Fairly quiet, you know, the third line Has was great until joshua got hurt, but other than that they need more guys to step up now Having said that I I recognize that that nyls hoaglander for instance graduated from the bottom six He's played so well. And now he's a 20 goal scorer playing with peterson But you you need you just need guys to step up and mckayev isn't exactly You know a role player making nhl minimum. He's making almost five million a year We know these coming back from a very serious knee injury and Very uh intrusive surgery and it takes guys a long time sometimes more than a year To get back from that, but they need him to play more like he has These last about two weeks. It's great that he scored Um, he needs to score more, but he also just needs to keep playing keep building on this Keep playing the way he's playing he seems to have a step back again a little quicker than he was And he certainly seems to understand If he's playing on the line that he's playing on and he goes to the net he's going to get chances It also fits the profile for that line right when when fieldy decepe was there Okay, this is what makes it work. He's quick on the pucks and he gets the puck to jt Well, the the term we use is souped up version of pdg Well, ili mckayev can be all those things and he just if that line does feel like it has potential to fit and Joshua comes back and now Joshua garland go to the you get some lines that feel like they're steady and certainly mckayev should be in the top six as well Yeah, while they're paying him to be in the top six. That was the whole idea of him coming here is that he wanted that opportunity And for the most part seized it, you know had a good season last year to the point where he got hurt Why to the point he came out of the lineup because you had that good season while hurt And you know started all right This year and then just kind of petered out he he he seemed to labor and he told me halfway through the year that his knee Yet's still bothering him and that's the cold notes version of what he said um They need him to be Top six guy and and it's not just the scoring You know, they need his speed. You know, he was expected to be a really key penalty killer and right now he's not and They got him because he was a guy who was all it always played in direct lines And was all was seemed to be around the puck Right was hounding it in the offensive zone was make was on top of the opposition when they had it in his zone when he was playing in toronto They just need him to to be A little more like that like just be be on the puck be harder on the puck and he has been like I said He's been he's been good the last two two or three weeks But they need that now from now until whenever this season ends for vancouver Before I let you go the final one here He does a door off tonight had two points got a goal against an assist fights manson It doesn't really throw a punch in the fight with manson But you know, they dropped the gloves and you can see jt appreciate it coming over to the That a penalty box and dapping him up and laughing and talking and talking to him about it Was that one of the better games he had played up until the third? I know the whole team kind of got him in the third But it seemed like he had a a real impactful game here tonight. Yeah, I think he I think he had a good game I'm not so good coming on the show when you ask me if that was his best game or this because you know I really haven't had time to process What did you ask me recently bick was that the queen hues the best game ever by queen hues are the best first period ever by queen I don't know. I I haven't had time to process it that way But I think I think zadorov has For the most part been trending the right way and he needed to because he had he wasn't as impactful Or dependable as they wanted and be initially after the trade. Of course, there's transition zadorov himself has talked about how different the system is how how Detailed the defensive structure in every situation is in vancouver compared to what he was used to So it took him some time, but you know, the bottom line is they they got him for a reason You know, it wasn't Hey, you know, maybe we should take a chance on this zadorov guy here. He wants out of calgary you know, they they seized an opportunity because they wanted someone with his size and his mobility and and ability to Also make a play with a puck out of his own zone And I think he's been I think he's been going in the right direction I think his teammates really like him. Uh, and even when he was struggling, you know, he clearly offered them Uh a physical dimension that they otherwise did not have yeah and and you know, I thought that was a great moment Uh at the penalty box You know, miller had been the first to scoop up all of zadorov's gear off the ice to take it to him Miller is is quite hard on zadorov in the dressroom like I mean everybody is they take the teasom and stuff Yeah, yeah, I mean zadorov takes a lot of stick. I don't know why Um, but that's the way it is and miller gives a lot of stick a lot of stick a lot of i'm getting the wrong word Yeah, give him a lot of stick. Yeah, stick is like there's a there's a brick. There's a british term that involves urine But I you know, I I'll leave it at urine, but they you know Come on, Vicki. You know what I'm talking about. You know, I need to rub your head Taking the you know what? Yeah taking the and and zadora puts up with it and he's good natured about it But that was you know, that was a nice moment, you know to to see them laughing and smiling and and obviously miller Really appreciated what zadorov did. Yeah, and you know It would have been would have been nice if it had been a little bit better fight But at least nobody got hurt. There was there was no Dakota Joshua breaking his pinky And being out for weeks and weeks. So, you know, that was all good They need they're gonna need zadorov and the guys that we're talking about Uh a little bit like millers good games adorovs good good These guys are gonna be even bigger in the playoffs. Yeah, like when when chips are all in And the intensity is way beyond anything we saw tonight Those are the kind of players that you're gonna need and uh, I I think I think they're Both of those guys are gonna They won't be a problem at playoff time. I think they're gonna be just fine. It's you know A lot of the group that hasn't been there. Yeah, and uh tonight Hopefully learned a positive lesson against this colorado avalanche team dropping a four three over time decision here at roger's arena Ian great stuff as always look forward to reading your latest on sports net.ca and look forward to chatting with you on the post game show On saturday when the vancouver Canucks take on the washington capitals. So we look forward to that on the weekend You know, I really appreciate that we have a late night desk. Yes over We've we've got some excellent editors and one of them right now is fixing my teddy blugger mistake So and you know what in the professional. He is you got that fix during the interview and a fantastic stuff Ian always professional great stuff as always appreciate your time He's bickness are back on the people show tomorrow three to four. I'm sat to your shop alongside josh elia wolf Producing the show here at the rink. 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