The Killer B's: Joel Blank & Jeremy Branham
10/21 Hour 1 - Texans Offensive Line Had Worst Performance of the Year
The Killer Beast! ESPN 97.5 and 92.5 probably present. The Killer Beast. It's definitely a fan of the Killer Beast. Don't sweat the technique. Now from a Veritex community bank studios, bring you the fastest three hours in Houston Sports Radio. Here's Joel Blank and Jeremy Branham. Ooh, what a breakdown! Hey, how are we doing? He's blank on Branham. It's Branham, it's Brian behind the glass, and it is a Monday edition of The Killer Beast on ESPN 97.5 and ESPN 92.5. And on the hills of the Texans second loss of the year. Busy show, we'll break down this game in every way possible. Twitch loves that. I believe, what do you believe in after this college football weekend? Melbag Monday asked the bees whatever you want. A lot of people are losing their minds about the Sean Watson tearing his Achilles and certain reactions to the Sean Watson and some Domingo criticisms. We got a very busy show. Texans, Packers, yesterday and so much, so many things. So many storylines when it comes to this game. Domingo's being criticized. A Stroud's offensive performance was not very good. The offensive line was bad, bad yet again. So many takeaways. What's your biggest takeaway from yesterday's game, Blankers? The offensive line is horrible. And it's perplexing in the fact that they were so good running the football. But I think a lot of that goes to the credit of Joe Nixon. But overall, it's hard to believe that a line that's capable and fully capable of playing the way they played when running the football was just so horrible and past protect and in any kind of passing situations. And regardless of how much you want to be critical of the quarterback, we've said how many times everything efficiency wise starts and ends with the offensive lines ability to do their job and they couldn't do their job. I think everything was bad. Everything was bad on the offensive side. Like you can point at every single with the exception of mixing. A mix is the only one that I would give a passing grade to. You could say with a run blocking was good. If mixin had some success, which I would agree with, but they're negative and past blocking outweighs their positive in run blocking. The offensive line was bad yet again. Nothing new, nothing new. CJ Stroud played the worst game that he's had all season long. By far the worst game that CJ Stroud and I've seen some people making excuses for Stroud. You know, the offensive line didn't protect true. He didn't have a ton of time to throw true. But there was a lot of things that CJ Stroud missed. There were times whenever he had time that he made some pretty uncharacteristic throws, very inaccurate. Throwing behind receivers, under throwing receivers wasn't very good. The receivers, they did nothing to help him. Stefan Diggs was whatever, getting in fights before the game, whatever, I don't really care that Stefan Diggs for you. Tank Dell dropped the touchdown pass. You got nothing from your tight ends except for that one play on the first series where Schultz Scott in between the first layer and second layer of the defense. Bobby Slowick was awful. The game management offensively was really bad. The offense all around with the exception of Joe Mixon was not very good. The offensive line, I would agree, was the biggest negative among that. And again, you know, let the killer bees tell you stuff that you're going to be talking about three weeks later. Same thing with the stunts. We've been on the stunts since week one. Yes, you win and all that stuff. But there's a reason we do do not ignore in victory, which you wouldn't defeat. The Texans have had trouble against the stunts all year long. It was magnified yesterday because they lost. It was magnified yesterday because CJ Shroud had the worst game of the season. It was magnified yesterday because the Packers were getting pressure on CJ Shroud. It seemed like every single drop back despite not blitzing that much. They didn't blitz that much yesterday, but they were getting pressure. Why? Because they were disguising what they were doing. They were stunning the Houston Texans to death. And this stuff isn't sophisticated. But if you do anything that's above basic against the Texans offensive line, they're going to struggle. You delay a bit of blitz. They're going to struggle. You send a stunt. They're going to struggle. You send numbers from one side. They're going to struggle this offensive line. And we've again, we've talked about it as the start of the year. The governor for this offense and the reason that this offense could potentially not click on all cylinders, not hit the potential, not be a top five top 10 offense in the NFL is why because their offensive line is dreadful. Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, I think it was a little over 80% of the time. The Packers only rushed four guys yet. They were incapable of stopping those four guys and it was amazing on certain plays where sometimes it would even be three guys, but they would shuffle. And at the last minute, the stunts would come would come and the pre snap would be adjustments very, very late. And it looked like the offensive line was totally freaking out. And then they'd all concentrate one direction or the other. And either the edges were getting there really quickly. And Rashan Gary, who has been so criticized in Green Bay for being under productive since he signed his contract, suddenly looked like one of the best past wrestlers in the NFL. So much so that at times when the stunts were really working, they'd bring him completely off his main position of the edge, line him up behind the nose guard. The Texans offensive line had no freaking clue what was going to happen. He'd delay about a half second and wait for the first contact. See an open lane the size you could drive a truck through and had right to see Jay's backside. And it was ridiculous how incapable this team is of past blocking And yes, it should be first and foremost, the priority of the offensive line and they were horrible. The tight ends on the edges were pathetic in the way that they were attempting to try and stop guys on the pass rush. And they looked like they had never seen this stuff before. Yet by the way, they're compensated where they were drafted and how this team looked at them at the start of the year. They were supposed to be a top 10 top 15 type offensive line. And the problem with that is that they've seen it all year. Like why is Green Bay going? Jeff Hathley got a stinking game ball yesterday. The defensive coordinator, the Green Bay Packers got a game ball yesterday. So that's what's frustrating about this offensive line is they've seen this. Like if you get stunted to death against the Colts in week one, you get stunted to death against Chicago and week two, whatever, like that's first two games of the year. You're going to have some issues. The first few games of the year defenses are going to exploit you. Find your weaknesses and then you have to adjust. You have to adjust to those weaknesses. This is this is seven games into the year and they're falling for the same old stuff. So by week seven, it's something that it shouldn't be an issue anymore. So in week seven, if it continues to be an issue, what's the deal? Is it because they're offensive line coach? Chris trouser is not coaching them up on it. I can't believe that's it because of layman's like you and I are noticing they struggle against the stunt. What do you think Chris trouser is doing? They're working on the stunt. So what else could it be? Well, it could be personnel. We don't think that the offensive line should be bad. Laramie Tunsell is extremely high pay. Titus Tower was a first rounder top five pay right tackle at the time of his contract, Shaq Mason, somebody that you coveted traded for, signed him to an extension. You trade it up for juice grugs. You trade it down for Canyon Green. So what is the issue? What is the problem? What is going on? I think it's a combination of all of it potentially. I think the trouser might not be a great offensive line coach. Although he did a decent job last year with chicken with chicken salad. Quite frankly, he did a decent job turning chicken into chicken salad. Um, what else could be the, was it personnel? Are they not, you know, are they not united as one? We always hear the old cliches when it comes to offensive lineman. You don't want to be, you know, an open hand. You want to be a closed fist. It's not about, you know, five pennies. It's about a nickel working together is when all the offensive line cliches, you have to figure something, you have to do something. You have to start looking and searching for other ways to fix this offensive line because you try the coaching thing. You know the errors. You know the mistakes. You've tried to coach them up to fix those mistakes. And it's not working. It's not working. So what is next? I think it's personnel, like you're going to have to change personnel to see if you can figure something out. If it's one piece, if it's, if it's moving guys over, if it's trying and you configuration, but the reason that you need to do it now is because if that personnel doesn't work, you need to go out and make a move before November when the trade deadline comes up. I think that's the thing because you've given them enough time. You mentioned it seven weeks. You've given them enough time to try and fully settle in and show that they're going to come together and everything's going to work just fine. I mean, some of the things that were absolutely mind boggling to me were the play were Titus Howard just absolutely got completely blown off the line on a speed rush and basically kind of did the whole quick look like whoops. Was that my guy that went right by? And then on the other side, I mean, there was tonsil, I'm sorry, tonsil on one side. On the other side, Howard fell straight on his butt. He got speed rushed. He tried to back pedal. He fell flat on his rear end. He tripped with Schultz. But there were more than one time where he looked like he was off balance when he was trying to back pedal and get into the simple offensive back pedal stance. There's just too many mistakes this late in the season for a line that's supposed to be as good as they were supposed to be. And at a certain point, if you're looking for things that get through that can make a difference to shake it up, let's go back to last season when you had all those injuries and you had to just do completely musical chairs, which drove me nuts, but they played a Steelers team that was supposed to just pin their ears back and go get your quarterback and they led the league at that point and given up sacks, they didn't get up a single sack because they made some changes. They brought in some veterans. They did some things differently. I'm not saying that's going to solve it, but at a certain point, somebody better start to realize there's something else that can be done if you're not going to do your job. You got to start throwing things at the wall. Like you absolutely have to start throwing things at the wall. You have to you have to start searching. You have to start you have to start trying to whatever you can to change things up. You got to figure it out because what you're doing right now is not working. Going with the same offensive five, going with the same starting line is not working. Chris trouser is not coach either. He's not coaching it up or the message is not being received. It's an issue and it's an issue beyond just the offensive line. Yeah. You can throw in the tight ends. You can throw in the running backs and pass protection. You can throw in shroud being able to reckon like a shroud saves him a lot. I don't think he saved him yesterday, but he had saved him a lot prior to this this game. So yeah, they got to they got to do something else, just just run out a different starting five, whether it's very simple, whether it's a very, you know, complicated move, whatever. We'll talk about that greater to tell a little bit later. Here was D'Amico Ryan's now, look, D'Amico's not being like he, I did techno lies with what D'Amico was saying here. I don't think D'Amico is like being, you know, false. What he's saying is fact, but I don't really remember D'Amico Ryan's pointing the finger to the offensive line as much as he did after yesterday's game. Obviously, we didn't pass the ball well all day, right? So it wasn't good all the way around. We ran the ball well, thought Joe did a good job running the ball and, you know, we needed to pass it. It was not good enough. Starting with the protection. We can't protect and that's going to be difficult for the quarterback to make the place. Okay. Like that's fact, like it's hard for me to say D'Amico is pointing the finger at the offense whenever he tells us exactly what went down. Like that is a very accurate assessment of what the offense gave you yesterday. So I don't think D'Amico Ryan's is pointing the finger of the offense and be like, oh, our defense did the job. I think he's just given you an accurate assessment from his point of view on what went wrong with the offense yesterday. I don't think D'Amico is pointing fingers, but D'Amico is saying that the offense needs to get better. What is holding this team back? The offense specifically of the offense. What is holding them back? The offensive line. Here was D'Amico a little bit later in his press conference after the game yesterday. More criticism specifically to that offensive line for us to play how we play, you know, offensive lives is not not good enough for us. We have to play better guys have to execute better, have to step up. There you go. Offensive line. Not doing what they have to do. So look, I mean, he's telling us what we all know. He's not giving us any news. He's not breaking into down force and telling us company secrets. No, you're right. But at the same time as the head coach, as your leader, if no one else is willing to do it or discuss it or even like threaten it or contemplate it, you have to be a guy at a certain point in time that says, look, we've tried everything else. We're trying to do whatever we can to make this thing better so that this line is more cohesive. Our quarterback has saved our bacon so many times by just being so good at being able to move the pocket to step up to move that it was inevitable that a certain point a day like this was coming where even he couldn't save your bacon and make you look at least good enough to do the things you need to do offensively. Who would have ever thought that you would have a pedestrian number like 86 yards for a quarterback that has been rolling as good as even it's unacceptable in the NFL. It's not even pedestrian. It's brutal. It's not pedestrian. That's about as bad of a quarterback line that you're going to see. Like if it wasn't CJ Stroud, you'd be calling for him to be benched. Like if that was Bryce, he's not somebody that should play in the NFL. If Will Levis had that line that guys shouldn't play in the NFL, that's one of the worst quarterback lines that you're not only going to see from CJ Stroud, that's one of the worst quarterback lines you're going to see from a quarterback in a season in an entire season. And there's a lot of variables that go into that quarterback line. All right. 713-780-ESP and Busy Show, we'll talk into detail about how CJ Stroud faced. We'll hand out some game balls. We'll get into some D'Amico Ryan's criticism. We'll take your thoughts as well. Lots to get into from yesterday's game, 713-780-ESP-N, the HRNP listener line, 713-780-3776. We're on Twitch, Twitch.tv/ESP and 97-5 on YouTube and ESPN Houston. Blankers at Pac-Man Joel. I'm a Jeremy Branham on Twitter, Brian's at Sack by BMAC. It is the bees on ESPN, 97-5 and ESPN, 92-5. You know what's coming up on Saturday? You know what's coming up on Saturday? 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And the guy gave him the little shoulder check to the ground, and CJ kind of embellished and kind of flopped on it. But he was over there kind of face to face with a couple of packers and then nobody came to his defense. You see a couple moments later, you see Titus Howard or Laramie Tunso in one of the other offensive linemen, like Tuku for school, like slowly walking over there. Yeah. Honestly, even as a Texas fans, I'm in CJ Shrout, like you said, embellished it and called for the flag afterwards. I'm glad they didn't call that on the quote unquote shoulder check on the sideline. No, I'm with you, but beside the point, offensive line not coming over, which I've noticed particular offensive lineman that has not come to the fence of CJ Shrout once upon a time. So again, you hear what the killer be something that you're going to hear way later. We see things before anybody else sees things though. The one that was to me really stood out because I agree with you guys. I don't think that should have been a penalty, but there definitely should have been some teammates around him. The double hit because Nixon got him first and then after Nixon got him, that's when Alexander tried to again, because Alexander drove me nuts yesterday because he was trying to overdo and over talk every single freak and play, but he was trying to get under their skin all game long. I was surprised he didn't get a penalty because normally he goes too far, but at the same time, that one was the one where credit to CJ who just was doing the first down signal and trying to keep it, but even he, because he just kept going and I was waiting for like any half second now. Some guys are going to surround CJ and no one did. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. I'm a, I'm an expert on body language and I don't love the body language. I saw on that play, just something that I noticed 7 1 3 7 8 0 ESPN. We'll take your thoughts on the game yesterday 7 1 3 7 8 0 3 7 7 6. Let's go out to the HR and P listener line Lamont. You're in the hive with the bees. What's up Lamont? I have one question, man, and this probably it's going to go back to the offensive line, but it also points in the Niko Ryan, the Niko Ryan, I thought that was infusible that he didn't challenge that, but okay, over that and put a record. I'm not really mad, but what I am kind of close with about one hill, one hill is anybody on that offensive line is a captain of the scene. Why is that? Well, they're voted. They're voted. But I see where you're coming from. I agree with you. A captain of the scene. He was voted. The goal doesn't come to work. It would almost be like, it would almost be like, like, like, like work every day and you'd say, now you're at, you know, hanging out and, and then getting rewarded the best crimes and stuff. I mean, how is everybody going to look at it? It makes no sense to me. I think it's bull. I think it's bull. I don't go to the other word. I think it's bull. I think it's bull that he's a captain, man. I think it's bull that he's a captain. And I know you guys say it's a, it's a bold, but yeah, he shouldn't be the captain. No one on that line should be the captain. They should be in, they should be inside of the ashram didn't beat up like that. They were from full metal jacket with the soap. Shosh. Shosh. Appreciate the call. Look, I think this is back in the football card. I think this is, you got a guy that's ranked as one of the baseball card. Yeah, the top of the top of the left tackles in the league, he's one of the, he's looked at that way. People, you know, his job is one of the most important jobs on the football field. So in the locker room, I think that carries some weight. And as Jeremy said, when the players are the ones voting and he is the one of the elder statesman that has that kind of back of the football card, I think that a lot of players looked that way when they're making captains out. Yeah. I mean, it's a player vote. Players voted for him to be the, to be a captain. I'm sure a lot of that is cache and his resume. I don't look at the offensive line as a Laramie Tunsel issue though. Now, could you make the case that none of those guys should be captains? Yeah, probably. There's some certain things that Laramie Tunsel has done in the football field the last couple of years that don't make me think captain, whether it's being at the defense of CJ Stroud, whether it's kind of the too cool for school attitude. That said, of the five offensive lineman, which of the five do I trust the most to do their job? It would be Laramie Tunsel, Laramie Tunsel would be at the top of the list to be perfectly transparent. 713780ESPN0635 low IQ starting to show with Stroud's blitz recognition. I haven't noticed that was Stroud this year. I've actually thought the opposite. I thought he's been really good at blitz recognition. There was a play last week, yes, against a far inferior opponent where they, the Patriots had three free rushers, Stroud was able to buy enough time, find his hot route and it turned into a 25 yard play. He got an explosive play out of three free rushers. You could go back and look at a variety of different plays this season where he's done the same. Yesterday was the first time that I noticed that CJ Stroud really struggled with blitz recognition. There was two plays and I haven't, I haven't seen the all 22 yet. My subscription doesn't come out until later tonight, so I'll watch it not looking forward to that. But there were two plays just on the TV copy where I saw CJ Stroud have very poor blitz recognitions and there's probably a lot more. Both of them were on third and long whenever he could have gotten rid of the football quicker, probably didn't want to because he didn't think it was going to be a first down, probably trying to do a little bit too much, but I did notice Stroud have trouble with blitz recognition, either blitz recognition yesterday or not taking with the defense game. It was one of the two and you could say maybe it was both. I think it was both because I think before the game, we were talking about the shoe being on the other foot. Jordan loves the one that struggled mightily this year with blitz recognition and when he gets blitzed, he didn't have the same kind of poison composure that we were talking about that CJ has shown all season long in his ability to move up slide and adjust to wherever the blitz was coming from, but I also think credit to Green Bay and the fact that they showed a lot of different looks that maybe he hadn't seen this season. Some of the ones we mentioned in the first segment, but overall, the combination of all of that. And as you said, not just taking what they are giving you and a lot of times that would be the guy that just the back that slides out in the flat where they were still able to do when they did go to that play, they were able to pick up four or five, six yards and keep, you know, keep yourself in a more manageable next down position. But it was definitely a learning experience for CJ shroud and a performance we haven't seen from him so far as a text. Yeah, maybe, maybe a little bit last year in his rookie year, whenever, you know, they played the Jets or Carolina or Atlanta. But first time this year, for sure, Coupe Blay saying tonsil is good at football, bad word teammate. Maybe he certainly hasn't been there at the defensive of his quarterback on a couple of occasions or was slow getting there on a couple of occasions. My takeaways of the online sucks, CJ and the line struggle to read defense before the play. CJ hasn't been as sharp passing. You're being very specific to yesterday because he has been sharp at passing, but not yesterday. Receivers can't get open. Didn't have a ton of time. Bangles would have won a Super Bowl if he were if mixing ran the way he's running with the Texans. He's going to kill the Cowboys. Maybe, maybe so. Eric says a little hard to listen to Blankers knowing he's happy with the Green Bay win. Mm. It's a fair point. It's not a fair point. We talked about it on Friday. I wanted the Texans to win this football game. I've been more dialed into the Texans than the Packers and was really thinking this was a measuring stick for the Texans to kind of get off of what happened with Minnesota and move forward to get another to get a win against another team from the North when the North is such a good division and it was right there for the taking. I mean, the end, they had an opportunity when this game started to really make a statement. And instead, we're still talking about the kinds of mistakes we were talking about in the Minnesota game. 713 780. 0ESP and HRP listener line, still a million things to get to with this game. One that will go to break teasing. Did the Texans play it too safe on the final offensive drive? Are they too safe on that final offensive drive? 713 780. ESPN. It is the bees on ESPN 97 5 and ESPN 92 5. If you want to play it safe and get the best goal on the market, you need a goal from pro Don Coop. They're they're the best. They're they're easily top of the market when it comes to basketball goals. The highest quality that you'll see tempered glass backboard gives you that true sincere authentic feel that you find in the pro gyms or college gyms breakaway rim or on that later. A stainless steel hardware, it's rust proof, which is a requirement in Houston. 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I mean, I think after they got inside of two minutes and the fact that they ran it straight into the offensive line twice, mixing got tackled basically behind the line of scrimmage and then decided it was a good idea to pass. If you're going to just do the run-run-run kick, get the field goal, then make them burn all their time outs because that last time out turned out to be pretty important for them to stop the clock on that very last play, whether it was a catch or not, but with three seconds left to where if you're going to do it, just go all out. Run in the ball three times, make them burn all three time outs, take it down as far as you can, then kick it. But don't do that twice and then throw the football on the out route. Don't complete the pass. Stop the clock. Let them save a timeout and still kick the chip shot. That's almost exactly where I'm at. You have to be consistent with what you're going to do and they'll running the ball and waiting for the field goal was actually something that I agreed with. Like the passing game was awful yesterday. You almost ran the ball for three times as many yards as you pass the ball. Any times they drop back to throw, I was just like, oh, I hope he doesn't get sacked. Oh, I hope he doesn't throw an interception because he's under pressure. I have no problem abandoning the pass after you converted that big third down to Hutchinson. Once you like you even saw the riding on the wall, okay, you convert the big plate of Hutchinson and you don't hustle to the line, you let it expire to the two minute warning, perfectly okay with that. I'm fine with that and then running the ball in the first two downs. Okay. I don't want them to throw. I'm scared of what the passing attack is doing right now. I'm worried about what the Packers can do to this offensive line and or CJ Shroud. So they run the ball on first and 10 at the 13. Each team had three timeouts. You run the ball and you mentioned he was, he was hit for a loss loss of two yards green bay with the immediate timeout. So now your second and 12, 156. I think the first time that you run the ball there or even taking it down to the two minute warning, you've committed to running the ball. You run the ball on second and 12, minute 56, what does green bay do immediately? They take a timeout. That was actually a three yard loss. So now you're all of a sudden you're at a third and 15, a minute 52 to play. Okay. Well, if you've already committed to this, it's third and 15, not a great down and distance. You're behind the chains. Just run the ball again. Run the ball, force them to take the timeout, kick the go ahead, field goal. What do they do? They run in an eight yard out on fourth and 15. DeMico Ryan's after the game is saying, well, we, you know, we thought that it was completed. He doubled down today. Landry Locker asked him, was that the goal? He's like, our goal is to complete the pass. Cool. You complete the pass. You stop the clock and you have a shorter field goal. That's already a short field goal. So I didn't care about them being conservative. I think I would have gotten conservative there because I didn't trust my passing attack there. I didn't trust my offensive line. Stroud certainly was not playing to the point where I trust him. So I'm perfectly okay with them running the football, but then throwing it on third and 15 is stupid. Yeah, it is because the chances were you weren't going to get the first down. The chances were you were going to kick the field goal anyway. And the fact is, is you heard the gasp of the entire crowd when Hutchinson made the catch because there was a legit thought that by the time we get the ball back, we're not going to have any time outs and we're going to have to go the length of the, or as far as we need to go to get into field goal range and it's really going to be a tight, tight window to get that done. Instead, you do the defense. I mean, you do Green Bay, a huge favor and basically help them out. You leave them that security blanket timeout. The fact is is they're still going to kick the field goal. You knew what the situation was going to be. He's going to make that pretty much no matter what. And yet you leave Green Bay enough time on the clock and one time out to only need a field goal and set them up to basically win the game. Yeah. I thought that that was poor game management by Demico Ryan's and well Bobby Sloek's calling the play. Demico has the right to override anything Bobby Sloek is doing. He can jump in the headset before the play. Yeah, hey, Bob, let's run it here, call safe, run, call, get into the middle of the hash. Just get it. Work time. He fair bearing likes it. I hated the pass on third and 15. Yeah. The worst possible thing you could do in that situation is to try to play in the middle and do both. Like you guys have said, if you're going to take it to the two minute warning, if you're going to run on first and second down, then commit to it. Keep running because even if you complete that pass, it's short of the line to gain. So you're not picking up the first. You're not running more clock and if take a comment, he caught it falling out of bounds. You're stopping the clock for him anyway. It really reeks of complete lack of situational awareness. There was no benefit to completing an eight to ten yard pass to the sign line on third and 15. It didn't add anything to you. Normally I would be against them running in that situation because you're facing a good offense that you thought could move the ball, especially if you're going to play soft coverage when they do get the ball. But given how poorly they pass protected, I was all for it because they could sack you and knock you 20 yards back completely removing from a field ball situation. I don't think it's an interception. Yeah, or an interception that is poorly as they played up front. So I was all for running in the situation, but commit to it. None of this in between. Well, yeah, they looked like they were just kind of in complete pre-vent mode on the running play. They didn't look like they were really trying to open up a hole or anything on the first two plays. But the only thing that could have been beneficial on any kind of pass play on third down was that at least that Hutchinson, I mean, whoever it was that would catch in the football tank stayed in bounds. So that they would still have to burn the time out, but he wasn't even close to doing that. That was an out route on the line. As you guys mentioned, it was going to be out of bounds one way or the other, whether the catch was made or not. I think he caught it. I'm pretty sure he caught the ball, but he was out of bounds. He caught it. Right. He caught it, but he was out of bounds. There was no way for him to catch it and stay in bounds. Right. I'm saying, but the only beneficial thing would have been to run a pass play where if you caught it, you still would have run the clock, but even then what does that do? Like just makes you closer for a field goal. But that's it. I mean, that increases your chances of making the field goal by how much. Right. And it's the exact same thing is what another running play would have done. Exactly. Yeah. The reward there for running a pass play that you have no chance of gaining the first down on is incredibly high compared to the reward. That's why it's silly. That's why it is dumb. Like, and if you want to, if you want to be like, well, they need to be aggressive and go for the touchdown after they converted the Xavier or Hutchinson first down just beyond the two minute warning. Okay. Like, I don't agree with that, but I certainly understand where you're coming from because now a field goal doesn't beat you. So I, I don't agree, but I respect the opinion, but the half measure like Brian saying to me is full. Yeah. And because like you said, the, the risk of an interception too, if you're passing the ball, just run the football, get, get at least one block it, let everybody just hold their block and just run, make, make them run more, make them use their time out. You're, you're going to do the exact same thing than any pass route was going to do unless you're taking a shot in the end zone. And yet you're doing it the right way to manage as much clock off as you possibly can. I think that this is Demico's a killies hill and we've, we've noticed this for the last couple of years, but last year as well as his first year, he's going to, you know, get better, which he should. And I think that he will be better in year seven versus year two, but the one weakness that I see in Demico Ryan's is his time management and his game management. I don't think that it's very good. I really don't. I think it's below average in the NFL. Do I want to fire Demico? Obviously not. Would I trade Demico for another coach in the NFL? Nope. Probably not. There's probably only two or three coaches that I would trade Demico Ryan's for. So I'm not, don't, don't get it twisted. Like I still very much like Demico Ryan's happy that Demico Ryan's is the head coach has turned this organization around, but his one weakness, his one bugaboo is, is clock in game management. He's not very good in that, in that department. No, he's not. And, and as much as we rightfully so ripped apart David Cully, uh, and even lovey to a certain degree and lovey at least was more advanced analytics has there, there, there's reason for, for people to say, there's room for improvement with Demico with any of those factors because we've seen it time and time again. We saw it at the end of the half early in the season. We saw the fact that there is a lack of communication. We'll talk about it, but we saw it on even the fact that on a play where that you, we've talked about what we call it. What was it? Was challenges and clock management and timeouts? Well, we've seen pretty much all of that in a nutshell in a microcosm out of Demico this year and going back to last year. Mm hmm. Uh, that brings up the, how about the set, the final drive, the, the green bay possession? A lot of people wanted to make go to take time outs as soon as green bay got into field goal position. Where do you stand on Demico? Not taking time outs in the final drive? Cause they had all three. Yeah. I think that that's the fine line between, you know, do you think that they're going to be in a position and look, they, they, they know that green bay has had a massive amount of field goal problems in the last two years and they've gone through multiple kickers this season. But at the same time, you know that the likelihood as you get inside the, the 40 and the 35 yard line is there's a pretty good chance you make the kick. So if there is a chance for you to call time outs, then you have to at least consider that. Cause otherwise you know what, what the situation they're in with only one time out, they're taking it down as far as pretty much, they're going to end up taking it down pretty much as far as they can go and then taking the field goal. So if he didn't use them, I'm not going to nitpick him on that part of it. But if you were thinking at all that once they got close enough to where it would, not that it was a chip shot, but the likelihood was they were going to make the field goal. That's when you got at least, we seen what this team has been able to do with about 17, 20 seconds on the clock was CJ at the helm in other, in other games to where at least you want to leave some time on the clock if you're going to give up a field goal. The answer is yes. He should have taken the time outs, but I don't really think it swings the game that much. I look at the offensive possession with a lot more, you know, vigor than I look at the defensive possession because even if you start calling your time outs whenever they get into field goal range, now the Packers were still throwing the ball a couple of times after they did that because they wanted to get it a little bit closer from a man is who should have been banned by the NFL, by the way, I'm kind of teasing. But yes, the answer is yes. Domingo should have taken the time outs, but even if he starts taking the time outs, Green Bay could have still gotten it to the end of the game because you have three time outs. If you take it after the first down conversion, cool, you burn a time out there, you take one after first down, you take one after second down, they still have any, they still can still do whatever they want to do beyond, you know, between third and fourth down after that third down play. So the only thing that the time outs would have done, they would have either made it a longer field goal by about, you know, 10 ish yards, maybe not even that much might have been under 10 yards, maybe five to 10 yards, or you would have gotten the football back with like under 20 seconds to play. So is it the difference in the game? No, should he have been taking the time outs to either a make the field goal longer or allow your offense to get a few seconds left on the clock? The answer is obviously yes to that. I don't think it was an egregiously bad decision by Demico, or it was egregiously bad. It just didn't cost them a lot on that final defensive possession. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have called it early in that drive, obviously, because you don't want to potentially look back and like, Oh, crap, we gave them extra time towards the end. But once Dobbs pick up that picked up that first down tight, I think got him to the 37 and first first and 10 at the 37 with about a minute left in the next play, I don't think a snap to till 27 seconds that that was where you could have used your time outs thinking, okay, Packers now are in a field goal range. They're probably going to try to run three plays, get a tiny bit closer, and then settle for 40 plus yard field goal. And that's kind of what they did, even though they didn't throw the ball after that. So I would, I would have liked to see Demico use a timeout there, see if they can maybe get the Packers to the situation where they pass, they stop the clock for you, and then you actually have some time on the other end, but like you said, Jeremy, it probably doesn't change the result of the game. So, but you know what? They did you a favor a couple of times too, because they were really slow between plays in the hurry up to where time was ticking off the clock. And you're like, what are they doing? Like even in that last drive after the one, I think it was a Dobbs completion. It was like, they were milking the clock. They were taking their time, right, which is exactly which is exactly where the Texans should have stepped up and start saying, even if I get it before, that's where I gotta do it now. Yeah, that's, that was the point was after the first town that they'd got them into field goal range, and look, Green Bay was still throwing the ball there. Like they kind of helped you out after that, because they did stop the clock by throwing the football. Now, if you use your timeout after the first down play, I think it probably changes what they do. And you also had a critical offside by Will Anderson, like they gained yards on that play, but it turned what would have been a second and seven that stopped the clock because they went out of bounds into a first and five. Right. Like low key critical by Will Anderson, so not, not great game management there by D'Amico. I don't think it's like a grievously bad to where it cost them the game, but just it's kind of simple. Like, why wouldn't you take the timeouts? What are you going to do with those timeouts? Well, you think about it too. It was a 58 yarder at the point in time when he got the penalty. So now it's, it's basically 53. And then they completed another pass to where it became a much more easy kick for a guy that hasn't kicked the football in almost a year in the NFL. And that's what you want. I mean, his, his record throughout his career is he's nails inside of 50 outside of 50. He struggles and you did him a huge favor. Yeah. Texan's used one timeout in that entire thing. They carry time out over the kicker and the less, which is, and you know what's even worse about because I, I've long thought icing the kicker is one of the dumbest things that people do in sports, but if you're going to ice the kicker, actually ice them by, by waiting until the snap is imminent, they gave McManus a free kick, a practice kick. Like if you're going to ice the kicker, ice them before he gets to take a practice swing, especially since, as you lay out Joel, he's a guy who hasn't kicked in these situations and over a year and you allow him a free practice kick before the one that counts. Yeah. And I thought he missed it. I thought it was going to work too. I didn't, I actually thought that he might have slid it, but yeah off the bat. So to speak, to use the baseball tournament looked like it was going to fade to the left, but ultimately stay them. Yeah. Yeah, not great. 3, 2, 0, 9, how come D'Amico didn't throw the challenge flag at that last play? I think he's referring to the tank del play, not review. It's not challengeable. Under the two minute warning, the replay boot takes all challenges. So that's not stops anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But he's asking about the completion that the tank del might have been in bounds. Like it does impact the result of the drive. Like even if he catches the ball, you have a shorter field goal, Kaimi made it anyways, but he's just asking why D'Amico didn't challenge that play because D'Amico talked about after the game. He said, you know, why they were asking him about why he, what do you thought? What the referee's told him after that play? He said it was incomplete. Like, what is he going to tell you? Yeah, it's an incomplete pass, but that's not one where a coach can throw the challenge play. Now there are the flag. There was one earlier in the game, though, where it was borderline whether Jordan love through an incomplete pass or a lateral. It was to me live, it didn't look like a lateral, but whenever you slow it down and watch the replay, the camera angle is bad, so it would have been really nice to have the 50 yard line camera. I wonder what that looks like. I'll be able to look at that later, but where Jordan left through it live, it looked like it was clearly four, but when you slow it down, like the ball leaves, I forget the yard line they were on. Let's just call it like the 41 or whatever. It looks like it left at the 41 and then landed at the 42 and they were at the text inside. Like I think it could have been a ladder on 50 50 on it now. But the fact is, is that such a big turning point in the game if you get that call? That's one, especially if you've got the red flag still sitting in your back pocket. That's one that's worth the challenge on because you're right. The angle sucked on the live game footage. When the game, when the play happened live, I was like, no, there's about a yard, yard and a half difference. He threw it forward. But when you look at it just when they came back and Stairator was able to say, hey, look, Jordan's back foot was between the 36 and the 37. And when Jacob's touched the football, it looked like it was right there on the 36 or 37. No, I'm saying, but it looked like the fact that if you're trying to say it was just a parallel, it was just a straight line. There's a good chance that it was behind the 36. If that's the case, it's worth at least letting the officials upstairs make the call as opposed to just throwing ads. It's not going to. It's where the ball is released. And it was very close. I think it's 50 50. I really think it's 50 50. But then the second part to this conversation is that I went back and listened to Green Bay post game sound. Jordan Love was asked about this play. D'Amico Ryan's was not asked about this play yesterday. He was asked about it today. But Jordan Love was asked about it after the game yesterday and loves like, I think that I threw it forward, but whenever we're in doubt, we're going to go fast. And you notice that they went fast on the very next play and you notice D'Amico Ryan's because they were on the opposite sideline of the TV camera. He's jumping up and down. I thought originally that he was like talking to the refs. If you go back and watch that place, trying to communicate to his say, he's what coverage that they're in. They're lagging in the coverage. They're a half step late, maybe a full step late. And what happens on the very next play, wicks burns the Angelo Ross for a touchdown. Now, would Bullock have been there if the coverage was sent in on time? I don't know, but maybe, but if you're going to, like, if you're in that spot where you don't have the right defense in yet or everybody doesn't know their coverage, you have a play that could have been a lateral. Maybe you don't know that in real time. Maybe throw the challenge flag. And even if you lose it, it just works the time out and you can get your defense set up. Exactly. Either you either say no for the timeout, regardless, just to be able to stop the clock so that you have the time to throw the flag or just get the flag out of your pocket and make sure, hey, look, this one's worth it, whether I lose it or not. This is one that could be a game changer, especially when it turns out to be seven for them instead of a potential extra turnover for you. You've got to be on it. And it looked like, and I'm not John Boy with my lip reading skills, but it looked like after that, there was a sideline shot of D'Amico where he was on the headset and just said something to the effect that we got to be better or we got to be faster because it looked like they were still trying to figure out from their replay, guys, whether they should challenge that or not, you just got to be quick on that play. That's one that's too critical to let go. And now we're talking about in retrospect going that could have been a game changer. And even if you even if you lose the challenge there and you're wrong, they don't score the touchdown on a long deep play because they're going fast and you don't you don't have your defense in and no one's killing you for doing that because everybody's thinking the same thing like it's worth it. It's too critical to not at least take the chance chance. That was that was tough when D'Amico Ryan's did admit today that if he had to do it over again, that he would have challenged him, which is a rare thing for D'Amico Ryan's to admit fault. Like he usually kind of like is pretty adamant that the decision that he made in real time was the right decision at the time. He did today. If he had the the ability to do it all over again, hindsight, 2020, he would have challenged that one. All right. Seven one three seven eight zero ESPN three plays from this game that no one's talking about that were paramount that were critical in yesterday's outcome seven one three seven eight zero three seven seven six. It is the B's on ESPN 97 five and ESPN 95 guys where we go to the break or it for all state windows and siding. 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Hindsight is 2020. I posed the question on Twitter at Jeremy Branham in real time. It was 19-14, second quarter, whenever you had the opportunity to make it a seven-point game or you kick it and you got a six-point game, would you have went for two there? I would not have. I think that normally when you think about people that are always looking at the analytics of what the right call is to do there, they normally let the game be a lot later in the contest to start figuring out when you might need to worry about that extra point, getting that point back or utilizing the chance to get that extra point. I would not have done that. I kicked it and said let's see how the rest of it plays out as we get closer down the line. There might be a different scenario for us later. Things are a little different now, like coaches are a little bit more modern, like when they go for it. They're a little bit, they're a little different too, like I think those charts are a little bit different because the extra points are longer now. Now they are making a very high rate still. I would have went for it. I don't have a strong stance either way. I wouldn't have died on the hill either way. If they would have kicked it there, cool, if they went for two-fourth there and didn't get it, well I would have went for two there. I was on the fence about it leaning towards the go for its side because I do like taking the seven point lead. Having that full touchdown lead is something that I like, even though it's still in the first half. I personally would have went for two, but I'm not dying on that hill. If you were to kick the extra point, I'm not really putting up a huge fight. The big thing is you were in the lead too. So at that point in time, I'll take six or seven and then, you know, as opposed to seven or just later on in the game, I'll adjust. Yeah, and with it being the first half, it's not something that I'm really willing to die on a hill about, but to me, I always just follow the math. Like in that situation, you're up five, whether you fail the two point conversion or you make the extra point as touchdown, assuming they make the extra point, still takes the lead for the other team. So if your downside is either way, the same, a touchdown and you lose the lead, then I'm willing to go ahead and take the risk to go for two and put my team in a situation where the touchdown doesn't take the lead. Yeah, I really don't think it influenced the game either. Like it's easy to say, well, they could, you know, if they were scored there, they had the two point conversion. Well, then, you know, you're looking at a point game, but at the same time, Green Bay had an opportunity in the second half where they could have kicked an extra point or went for two and they actually kicked an extra point when given a three point lead. I believe I didn't really either. So like it would have influenced the way that the rest of the game was played. Now, let's say you kick the extra point, well, then it would wouldn't have had any influence in the game anyways. Like if you would have had the one extra point, well, now it's 23, 21 in Green Bay's driving down the field with a chance to kick the field goal. So I could have went either way there, but I have a slight lean to go in for it. So I wouldn't be too critical for D'Amico Ryan's there. The three plays that no one's talking about that were critical in yesterday's game. I guess they are talking a little bit about the first play opening drive, Tank Dell opportunity to catch the ball back of the end zone does not would have been a good catch. If he made it, it's a play that he should make, he'd be the first one to tell you that he should make it wasn't wasn't a very good throw, by the way, low, he could, you know, she just I can put that in a much better spot, but it was Tank Dell's fault. You know, Tank Dell makes that play. Maybe it's a much different game. This textor says him dropping the ball was a huge momentum killer. I wouldn't call that a momentum killer. Like it gave him the lead. Texan still had a lead for a majority of the first half. They took a lead late in the second half. I wouldn't call that play a momentum killer, but it could have changed the way that that game was, you know, the outcome of that game. I will give you that. And it was one of the three underrated plays that I had that were huge influences in that game yesterday. Top of my notepad tank drop to TD and regardless of where the throw was and those are throws that a lot of those that we've seen him make before, we've seen Nico make them a lot before even digs goes down and gets those. That was a catchable football. And then when you look at the replay and realize he had both hands underneath it, he had the ability to get it to his torso and then it just slipped away. That's exactly what it was. That was a momentum builder that slipped away. Yeah, I don't know if I call it momentum like killer though, like they had the lead. They had a lead for a majority, like not a majority of the game, but a good percentage of the game. They had the lead at the half. They had a lead in the fourth quarter. That was the opening series of the game. That's just an opportunity then sure that that completely got away from you where you could have had a lot more. Yeah, it could have been seven nothing. It should have been. It should have been. Yes. Tankdell should have made the play. It should have been seven nothing. I liked the way that Navell Hewitt played. I thought he played really good. The drop off between Toa, Toa, and Hewitt isn't that severe to me. I didn't think that going into the game, but he potentially gave Green Bay four points. He turned a third and seven into a first and 10 at the 20 with his little souplex, a souplex city penalty and there's no guarantee you would have got off the field in a third and seven, but Green Bay would have had a third and seven probably has to kick a field goal if they don't convert on third down. On the other hand, you gave him a first and 20 because of the penalty and then Green Bay scored later on that series. Unacceptable. And he next to Joe Mixon was the next most positive guy that I could point to from the Texans. He did so many things well. He got the pick. He got the tip on the ball when love tried to feather it in over the first line of defense in late in the game and he was all over the football field making hits, but that was one that I also notated when watching it like you just gave them a first down. You just gave them an opportunity to move the chains and reset the deck when they were really kind of reeling and that one really hurt. Pretty good chance that that cost you four points, like Tank Dells drop cost you four points. Develop you. It's penalty. Good chance that that cost you four points. And then the last play, this one that I thought was completely overlooked, Eric Murray missing a tackle on third down in Green Bay territory that would have forced a punt doesn't make the tackle. Green Bay later, same series scores a touchdown. That was a seven point swing. So the Tank Dells drop four point swing, develop you at potential four point swing, Eric Murray missing that tackle, seven point swing. That's the backup running back in the flat right with a one on one tackle on third down to basically stifle a drive. Yeah, it was the backup running back. It wasn't even Josh Jacobs. And I went back and looked at it again this morning and Eric Murray missed several tackles. Eric Murray was a guy that look, he flies all over the football field. There are times that he can really step up for you when, but we were talking about this a week ago where he suffers in coverage. He really, he's like a little mini, a smaller, not a smaller, a different version of Jalen Petrie. They're capable of hitting. They're capable of going and making tackles. And then in open space, when it's critical, you just go and wrap up the legs and just keep that from getting to the first down. He got juked by a very simple head and shoulder fake. And they got the first down. Yeah, that was critical. Those three plays, the first two three point or cost you four points on the tank drop play that he should have made. No doubt about it. The novel he would play probably cost you four points and then Eric Murray cost you seven. And those are little things when you're playing a good team, especially on the road, especially on the road, like this, you, your offense was atrocious yesterday. The offense was absurd. They were incredibly bad. They were so bad yesterday. And despite that, you could have easily won this game. How bad you played, you could have easily won this game. It's kind of, I don't know if I'm taking solace in it. I don't know how to like really, I don't know how it hits me that you played so poor offensively and you're one play away from winning this game on the road at Green Bay against a playoff caliber team. It's weird. These were two good teams that didn't play anywhere near what they're capable of playing. I thought the Green Bay defense played really well. I've never seen their defense play like that, literally in the last decade or more, just simply because everybody always blames the defensive coordinators. For all the picks that they've spent on defense, their defense has been less than for over a decade. That was impressive what I saw out of that defense yesterday, especially against a caliber of offense that I thought was a step up from a lot of the ones that they've faced because they haven't played Detroit yet. They've played Minnesota once. But overall, when you look at what was there on the table for you, that was a game right for the picking. You could have taken that game, especially because everybody knew that coming into the game, you're five starters down on the defense. You're going to be in a position where you're not at full strength and that people are going to look at it and go and on the road and against a decent team, you're not supposed to win that game. You probably could have. And maybe you, I dare I say you should have won that. That's why you're a play away from winning, play away from winning. There is some thought on the Internet Texans cap pointed this out that he thinks the Green Bay might have had the Texans plays. Not so much that they were like giving away their play, but their tendencies are so obvious that they had a good idea of what plays the Texans were about to run multiple times, which hey man, like you're yourself scouting needs to get better if that's the case. If Green Bay knows your tendencies so well that they're predicting your plays before you run them, your advanced scouting is poor and then your counter plays are poor. That's terrifying. Plus we goes back to what we said in the opening segment. If you're you on the other hand, when you're doing your game planning, if you can't look and understand that he throws a ton of exotic looks at you, much like what Brian Flores does and be prepared for the fact the stunts are coming and they're going to be coming from all over the place and you have to be prepared for it as an offensive line because they look like they were absolutely stunned and shocked when anything came up to gut and everything was coming right at CJ. Yeah, it was that offensive performance was awful yesterday. Are there any positives from yesterday's game any positives seven one three seven eight zero ESPN HRP listener line seven one three seven eight zero three seven seven six. It's the bees on ESPN 97 five and ESPN 92 five.