The Jordan Syatt Podcast

How to Lose Weight While Improving Performance, Rebounding for Exercise, The Health Risks of Fat Burners, Appetite Suppressants, and More...

In this episode of The Jordan Syatt Mini-Podcast, I shoot the breeze and answer questions from listeners with my podcast producer, Tony, and we discuss:
- How to lose weight while improving performance

- The science of "rebounding" for exercise

- The health risks of fat burners

- Appetite suppressants

- Why I started boxing (again)

- Silly accents, religion, counterfactual histories, meditating in public, and more...

Watch my video about GLP1's HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXdiNjmoH4E

Watch my video about How to Lose 100 Pounds (Or More) HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfOqN2ZA2w

Do you have any questions you want us to discuss on the podcast? Give Tony a follow and shoot him a DM on Instagram HERE: https://www.instagram.com/tone_reverie/

I hope you enjoy this episode and, if you do, please leave a review on iTunes (huge thank you to everyone who has written one so far).

Finally, if you've been thinking about joining The Inner Circle but haven't yet... we have hundreds of home and bodyweight workouts for you and you can get them all HERE: https://www.sfinnercircle.com/

Duration:: 1h 1m
Broadcast on:: 27 Oct 2024
Audio Format:: other

(upbeat music) Antonio. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) I love like the just the like kind of generic sounds. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (laughing) Nice dude. Oh, how is the work? Brother, what's your word of the day? (speaking in foreign language) What does that mean? I do, I have no idea. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) That's a pretty good one. It means butter. Oh, it's not a good one at all. It was terrible. I thought that you're gonna be like, bro, that's actually what it is. Butter. That's a good word. I was rating you on like creativity and like how did you parse the sounds? So I thought. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah, I know it means butter. You had no chance. (speaking in foreign language) I had a chance. I just, (speaking in foreign language) Very low chance. (laughing) (speaking in foreign language) Man. Okay, I like that. So how'd you say bread and butter? (speaking in foreign language) Okay. Okay. (speaking in foreign language) Nice. (speaking in foreign language) Okay. All right. My word of the day. (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) You gotta guess. That sounds like patata, which is potato. Bro, you're good. Sweet potato. (speaking in foreign language) Specifically a sweet potato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're very good. That's crazy. You just got that. Yeah. I'm always surprised by those. 'Cause I'm like, what is the linguistic path that made those two things similar, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's actually, yeah, it's very interesting. And it's crazy. 'Cause it's just, that's specifically a sweet potato. A regular potato is (speaking in foreign language) which when you literally translate it, it's very different. It's very different. So it's (speaking in foreign language) which is (speaking in foreign language) (speaking in foreign language) And so it literally translates to a ground apple. (laughing) That's awesome. Which when I learned that, I was like, that's actually just funny. It's like, 'cause you can see where that comes from, like, 'cause an apple is (speaking in foreign language) and then a potato is (speaking in foreign language) So it's like, okay, so these are the apples and these are the ground apples. (laughing) I actually call apples tree potatoes. So perfect sense to me. (laughing) That's actually really funny. But I might start calling apples tree potatoes, but yeah, so (speaking in foreign language) and my daughter loves calling them. Could I try and say both words? So I'll be like, this is a sweet potato. This is (speaking in foreign language) This is a sweet potato. So she like opts for the (speaking in foreign language) she just prefers that one. - It's the superior sounding where it is. So when I was in, I don't know, I was in school, I don't remember what year, but we basically were talking about taste and how your other senses can affect taste. And so to do an experiment, we sliced up an apple so that you couldn't see the skin outside and we sliced up a potato. - Oh, wow. - They're both very starchy and like, they look the same when there's no like, identifying like just the flesh of both look the same. And then they had us hold our nose. - Oh, no way. - We have to eat one and decide if it was a potato or an apple. And you couldn't really tell like the sense of smell added so much to your way of seeing this flavor that like those two things were almost indistinguishable. Yeah, so they might just be, you know, ground apples. - I would imagine the sense of smell and also like the apprehension of potentially biting into a potato would be like it could change your perception of it. But that's actually very, very interesting. And it gives you a lot of context as to how that might have happened within the language of why they would call it a ground apple when like they're very similar once you take the skin away. - I don't think there's a single other podcast in like the infinite number of podcasts that I've talked about this. So you guys are getting exclusive content. - Very unique content. That is for sure. Hopefully people care about it. They're like, why am I, this is a fitness podcast. Why are we talking about ground apples? (laughs) - Hey, mental fitness matters too. - Montaquilla. - Montaquilla. - Montaquilla. - Montaquilla. Oh, so it's Monta, not Monta. It's Montaquilla. - Montaquilla. - Montaquilla. I have to say from the very beginning, I'm getting, trying to get better at this. If you're enjoying the podcast, please leave a five-star review. Written reviews help so much. A number of people have been doing it recently. And so a huge thank you to everyone who's left the five-star review. If you have not done that, please do. It helps the podcast so much. It really like it absolutely dramatically helps the podcast. So if you could do that, it would mean the world to me. Also, dude, I literally, so we're recording this August 1st and obviously like this is probably not gonna go live until sometime and probably October. But I have to read this because an inner circle member, Felicia Maslow, just posted minutes before we got on in the inner circle. I had to read this. I'm just so proud of her. She posted a video of her working out. And so I'm just gonna read the caption. And it's obviously like the video is just incredible 'cause it shows how much progress she's made physically, but the caption is incredible. Today marks the start of month eight and the end of seven months of being consistent and committing to making changes. Not being perfect, but being consistent at least 80% each month. I'm down a total of 47 pounds since January and my blood pressure is now well within normal range. I feel a million times better. I'm able to keep up with my kids. Sleep is better. It's incredible. I still have another 30-ish pounds to go, but I'm so freaking proud of my progress. The inner circle has changed my life. Jordan Syat, Susan Erigal, thank you. Felicia, I just have to, Felicia, if you're listening, I'm so proud of you. I'm so freaking proud of you. Huge congratulations. This is everything we want and more in people's transformations. It's like absolutely extraordinary. So I wanted to give Felicia a huge shout out and also use that as an opportunity to let people know that number one, it's never too late to start and no matter how far away you think you are from your goals, like you can start today and make extraordinary progress. I mean, from January to August, 47 pounds down, blood pressure is no more range. Like in this video, she's doing shoulder presses. It's just incredible to see like, just incredible, incredible work. So I wanted to give Felicia a shout. Let's go, Felicia. Awesome work. What's up with you, Antonio? I'm a godfather. Oh, wow, Mazeltov, that's amazing. Thank you. Did one of your friends have a baby and make you the godfather? Yeah, good buddy from college. Yeah. Is that why you were in Chicago? Oh, nice. So my folks are from there, so it's kind of nice. When I go up there, I get to see them and then also see my friend who's in the city. Boy or girl that did-- Little boy named Max. I love it. That's awesome. Yeah. So is that-- We're very excited. Does that mean that if God forbids something happens to his parents that you'll take him? You know, so there's another godfather and then I was kind of like leading up to it. I was like, so what does this mean for you guys? I mean, we should talk about it. You know, they kept kind of being like, we just like would be excited for you to be, you know, in his life and we think that he has a lot to learn from you. So we need to sit down and like clear that. Yeah, there's no legal paperwork saying, hey, in Sweden, okay, okay, okay. Just like in the church, they were like, do you promise for God? And did you promise in front of God? Yeah. Oh, let's go, dude. Let's go, I love it. Well done, I like that. And what did you promise just to be his godfather? Yeah, just to like support them and support him and love them and yeah. Well, you can't break that promise now. I know, I know. (laughs) It's easy when their baby is, but when he turns into a teenager, it might be a little bit more-- (laughs) Right, but see, that's where I feel like the, like the cool honor uncle or like the godparent, you know, that's your time to shine. 'Cause that's when they're like, I don't know, mom and dad, I'm not so into you right now. Yeah. Are you, are you religious or no? No, not really. Got it. I'm gonna make you uncomfortable talking about this. (laughs) We can talk about it, it's just, you know. Are you, were you born and raised Christian or Catholic or something else? So funny about that. So, didn't really have that in my life. And then in kindergarten, my parents put me in a Catholic school and I went down to Peru and I got baptized 'cause I hadn't been baptized yet. Oh, wow. And for some reason, it coincided with my grandparents from Peru coming to live with us for like six months. Okay. And so, you know, I think Papa Thorneo and Mama Yolo were like, nah, dude, you gotta raise him Catholic. (laughs) And then after that year, I went back to public school and- (laughs) Oh really, it was just that one year you went to Catholic school? It was just that one year, yeah. That's so funny, they're like, you know? They're like, you gotta send him to Catholic school. What are you doing? And then like after that year, they were like, all right, it's okay, we can go back to public school. It was cool though, 'cause I remember I was like, very, I like really was drinking the Kool-Aid, you know? And in kindergarten, you're very impressionable, I guess. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing. I'm just saying like, I was like very like, oh, I can't wait for Christmas. And like, I was like drawing pictures of the power rangers in Jesus, like together. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe like holding hands, you know? The two big figures in my life, the power rangers in Jesus. Yeah, makes sense. They are two very powerful figures. (laughs) Yeah, and so like, I do, I am grateful for that kind of exposure and like, you know, we'd go to Mass. And when I would go to Peru, like we'd go to Mass and stuff. And so I feel like I've always kind of had like a window into that, but then personally, I never really pursued it. Got it, got it, got it, got it. My own and my parents weren't really pushing me into it. Are they into it or no? No, if we wanna get really deep, like my mom basically describes herself as surviving Catholic. Like she believes in God, she's religious, but like, you know, went to Catholic school with the nuns and you know, didn't really have a great experience with that. And then my dad was always known him as an atheist my whole life, like he's into science. You know, one of those guys and his parents, he was raised Mormon, like up through freshman year. No way, okay. And they, my grandfather was an archeologist and that was amazing, you know, trying to figure out, you know what, you know, the, what was the, the, it's basically like a third testament in the Americas, right? Yeah. And he was like, yeah, there's no like elephants or giraffe or anything here. And he was like trying to figure out like what the loss he would try would be. Cause that was supposed to be in the Americas. And like he was like following the archeology and like kind of had a moment where he was like, yeah, I don't think I can really subscribe to this. And yeah. And so they like had to sit down with the family and they moved actually, they had to move to a different town. No way to kind of restart. Yeah. Oh, wow. It's pretty intense, you know, it's. Yeah, it is. So yeah, I think that that maybe has something to do with it. I don't know. I would imagine that has a lot to do with it. Yeah, it makes total sense. That makes a lot of sense. Dude, thank you for sharing that. I think it's just, it's interesting to hear different people's perspectives and experiences. And unfortunately it happens in any, in every religion, like just like with everything, like there are, if someone has a horrible experience with a personal trainer, then they're going to have a negative view of personal trainers until they eventually hopefully have a great experience with one. But they might never have one. And then if they have kids and they just tell them, you know, yeah, personal trainers aren't good, whatever. It's like, if your mom grew up in a not a great environment in school or within that religious experience, it makes all the sense in the world. And it's, you know, it happens in every industry and every, every job, every religion, it happens in all of them. So that makes total sense. I fully understand that. Yeah. And, you know, just a disclaimer, like, I don't hold anything against any religion or anything. It's not like that. I'm pretty. You are very bigoted against religious. I'm just not, yeah, I'm just not a practicing. Yeah, that goes without saying, but unfortunately, we have to say stuff like that nowadays. But yeah, I get it. Thank you for sharing that, dude. Right on, right on. What else have you been, you guys, you haven't been back to synagogue recently, have you? No, so we're in this like weird middle ground. We've been trying to find one that would suit us. Like we're, we moved far away from the one that we were at. And the one that we were at, it was a beautiful, beautiful synagogue and we really enjoyed it. But now we're a little bit too far away from it. And so we're, we've been trying to find a new one closer to where our house is that we're building. So we're going to go visit one this Saturday. But even with that, like it's, it's just a very difficult time right now. There have been a lot of attacks, whether it's on Jews individually or in synagogues and not just in the United States, but globally. And it just, it stinks that like that's always like literally going to be in the fort. Like one of the first things that I ask whenever I call a synagogue, I'm like, what's the security like? Because that was one of the major issues that our previous one is they are a security was terrible. And there were, dude, the security was so bad. And it sucks that we need it, but like you do, you need it. And there were literal neo-nazis outside the synagogue, holding up swastikas and Heil Hitler's and like finished the final solution outside the synagogue. And I was like, I'm not putting my family in here right now. I'm not, and especially when your security sucks. And so yeah, just not worth it. So that is a major consideration as we're finding one. Like what's the security look like? What's the security team look like? I want to be able to protect my family as well and not have to rely on someone else. So I want the ability to be able to do that. So there's a lot of considerations that come into play when you're, when I'm looking at a synagogue and all that, not to mention the rabbis. And I grew up in such a wonderful situation. Like the synagogue that I grew up in, in Massachusetts, it was, I just had the best experience. I had the best experience, which is one of the reasons why it's so important to me. And I've been to synagogues where it hasn't been a great experience. Like never mind the security. Just like, I didn't jibe well with the rabbis or the cantors or the teachers, whoever was there. And so it's like, it's, you really got to try and find one that really jibes with you, which is, it can be really difficult. And then coming from one that I spent my whole life at, that was just a second home to me. You go in and you've got very high expectations. But it was funny we were at this little kosher market the other day and our daughter was just, she was running around and she's just an extrovert and she's saying hello to everybody. And there was this really sweet woman who kept talking to her and my daughter was like, hug, hug, hug. And the woman looked at us, she was like, can I hug her? And we're like, yeah, of course, go for it. And we actually asked her, 'cause it was like a very Jewish kosher market where like, do you know of any synagogues in this area? And she was like, actually my husband's a rabbi and it's a synagogue. And so we're gonna check that synagogue out. 'Cause she seemed very nice. So, hopefully we'll have a new one within the next few weeks. But also my wife is due within the next few weeks as well. So we've got a crazy, crazy couple months ahead of us. I can't imagine. Yeah, I was doing sound for synagogue services for a little bit. And yeah, there was metal detectors and security at all the entrances and stuff. - Yeah. - And I was just kind of normal. - The thing for me is a metal detector isn't enough. And bulletproof glass isn't enough because it's like, that's just assuming someone is like trying to get in. But if there have been many instances where someone, they get in and like by force. So regardless, that's assuming they're following the rules enough to walk through the metal detector. I'm like, no, no, we need barriers prior to that. So yeah, it's unfortunate, but at this point, it's just not enough. Yeah. - Oh man, what a way to start your day. What do you say we jump into some questions from the listeners? So this one's from Allison L Fowler, who I'm not related to, but we have the same last name. Hi, Tony, I have a question for the Jordan podcast. How does he feel about trampolines? I got a small one or rebounder and wanted to know how to fit it into my training. Is it good for a warmup or hit or are there certain exercises on there that are especially good? Thank you. So, great question. I'll start by saying I've been getting many questions about this in my Q&A's. Interesting. One of the cool things about the Q&A's is I can see what's sort of trending in the industry. And I think the fitness industry is rebranding trampolines as rebounders. 'Cause I've gotten many people saying, what do you think of rebounding, rebounders? And I had to Google it and look up, I was like, oh, you're just jumping on a trampoline. So, Allison, thank you for calling it a trampoline. But I think they're actually, they're rebranding trampolines. Because I think trampoline, when you hear it, you think of kids jumping on a trampoline, which for whatever it's worth, I think that they should keep that. Because anytime, unless you had an awful, horrific experience on a trampoline and it was life-changing and in a terrible way, most people think of trampoline, they think of fun. Rebranding it as-- I'm very positive association. Yeah, rebranding it as a rebounder takes away all the nostalgia. And nostalgia is arguably the most powerful emotion in the world. It's very rarely fear and nostalgia, I think are two of the most powerful emotions in the world. So, I don't like how they're rebranding it as a rebounder. It should just be a trampoline. They might think that rebounding sounds like a better workout, as opposed to trampolining or something, but either way, I'm gonna stick with trampolines, 'cause I think it's more fun. I've actually done a trampoline workout. I did one when I was in Israel, I did it on the beach. It was one of the most fun workouts I've ever done in my whole life. It was awesome and there was great music and I did it with a bunch of my friends and take away the beautiful beach and the fresh air and all that. It was just, it was fun, it was great cardio. I didn't really overload my muscles or my tendons or my ligaments from a joint perspective or an impact perspective. It's probably the best part about it is you get a lot of great movement in without over stressing your joints, your tendons, ligaments, all of that. So, I love it. I mean, I think it's great and you could get a small one and have it in your living room and watch a workout on TV. You could go to a public class where they have them. I think it's absolutely amazing. And in our new house, I want a trampoline. I don't know if we're gonna, like finances are insane. I would really like to have a trampoline. They have these new trampolines. I don't know if you've seen these. I don't know how new they are. They're new to me. But when I was a kid, you know, the trampolines, how like they were, I don't know, four feet off the ground, right? And then if like my mom, we got a trampoline, I think I was probably fifth grade or something. And she put a net around it to make sure that like we couldn't fall off, but we could have easily went high enough and then went over. But either way there was a net around it, which was somewhat helpful. Now they have the trampolines like built into the ground. Which I don't know if you've seen that, where it's literally like flush with the ground. So you could be running on your ground and then just transition to the trampoline on your, in your backyard. Which is, sounds like a really cool trap. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's awesome. I don't know the cost of it or anything. But I'm like, I want that, especially from like auto like. - It's gotta take out the ground, yeah. - You gotta dig exactly. I would imagine it's more, way more expensive. But either way, and you can still have a net around it so you don't fall on ground. But either way, I want one of those. I mean, I remember even when I wasn't doing trampoline workout on my trampoline as a kid, like you get a sweat going like, it's awesome. So I, there's nothing, I have nothing bad to say about it. I think it's amazing, enjoy it, have a blast. The more we can make working out fun, the better. It's fantastic. - Yeah, any specific recommendations in terms of like, if she wanted to program something with it? Like, she was asking about like warm-ups or, do you have any ideas or thoughts about that off the cuff? - I mean, I really wouldn't over-complicate it. This is something where it's like, you get on, now do some light bounces, right? Just get on like, maybe like back and forth, side to side, like light bounces. And then you progressively get more and more intense. If you're doing it in your house, I would not try and jump as high as you can, especially on one of these small little trampolines. Like, don't try and jump up super high 'cause a slight misdirection and you could end up going somewhere you don't wanna go. Yeah. I would, honestly, I probably wouldn't use it from the perspective of trying to get like a hit workout, trying to get your heart rate as high as possible. I would use it from the perspective of more continuous movement over a longer period of time. Whether that's bouncing on two feet, side to side, I would say like try and do it for an extended duration at a relatively low intensity, just for zone two work and enjoyable work it. And if you're following a class and they have you going a little bit more intense, great, that's totally fine. But I wouldn't try and do it like as a sprint, I would do it as, think of it as more of like a light jog type of a thing just to keep moving for an extended period of time. - Yeah, added movement, added zone two. - Not necessarily like a strength training on a train. - Correct. I've spoken about how, you know, getting your steps in, you could just walk around the house. Well, if you don't want to just do something boring walk around the house, then turn the TV on and just like lightly bounce on that for the duration of a TV show. That's amazing, that's fantastic. Just do that instead. - Yeah. I'm like having flashbacks to like fun times I've had on trampolines and I can't, I have no idea where this was. I was like, I didn't have a trampoline, like my best friend's didn't have trampolines. Like when, when did I get on these trampolines? I don't know. - You don't, you can't remember where the trampoline was? - Yeah. - Isn't that crazy? - It is, but like, I have like the physical memory of like hopping on and like the feeling of, you know, having a great time and I just can't like, it's like in a yard somewhere. - Do you remember getting double bounces? - Oh yeah, when someone jumps and runs right when you, yeah, and they're landing and they launch you. Yeah, that happened. - Bro, that's like, that was, it's one of the greatest feelings ever when like, you just feel it and like the tension is just enough to where you get launched. Dude, that would happen and we get launched over the net that my mom had put up. It was like, all right, well that just doesn't matter. Like I'm going right into the woods. - So my godmother, she had a bunch of family. She was actually Mormon too once upon a time. And she had a big family and all her like nieces and nephews would play this game on a trampoline where they'd like wear, they'd put like stuffed pillows under their shirts and their baggy sweatpants and they'd like jump and like bounce off of each other and like try to knock each other. It was like King of the Hill but like knocking each other off the trampoline. - That's so funny. - Yeah, she just has stories about that. Like they would go wild. Bro, I'm imagining them like going chest to chest and then their face is just smacking each other and like someone losing it too. - I'm sure some accidents happen, but. - Have you seen people do that with like the exercise physio balls? - No. - Oh dude, it's so bad. It's so bad. People make these videos where like they're running at each other full speed and they're holding a physio ball in front of them and they like hit each other and they fly and they fly backwards, land their head on the ground, hit each other's faces. It's fun to watch on Instagram but you know they got really hurt. Like they had to go get stitches or something like not smart at all. - Please do not try this at home. - Yeah, don't do that. - Yeah. - Oh, trampolines. Thank you, Allison, for that trip down memory lane. - See, nostalgia. It's super powerful. - It's super powerful. - Yeah. This one is anonymous. Question, I used medical appetite suppressants to lose some weight last year. I've gained some of it back but I'm worried I can't do it again without the help or as quickly. Thank you so much. - You definitely probably won't be able to do it as quickly. - Yeah. - That's for sure. But that's not the issue, right? And I would imagine, did they say they gained the weight back? - I gained some of it back. - Okay, okay. Well, so you're automatically starting from a better position, right? Because you didn't gain all of it back. So that's fantastic that you're able to, even if you gained 50% of it back, you're starting off like way better off than you were when you were there before. So that's a huge win. I always find interesting people say like, "I'm not gonna be able to do it as fast as I did before." It's like, that doesn't matter. The rate of progress is honestly irrelevant. Like how quickly you do it just as long as you're doing it. So I wouldn't worry about that. And you're not gonna be able to make as fast a progress. And it's funny because usually I've found slower progress tends to be more sustainable. Not always, but 80% of the time, slower progress is more sustainable. So it might not be as fast as you want it, but that is a really good indicator that we'll probably be able to maintain it much easier this time. So that's a huge positive. I think reframing slow progress as sustainable progress is really important because people get upset when it's slower. It's like, yeah, but what if I told you slower is more sustainable? Like instead of saying, "Oh, I'm making slower progress," you should say, "I'm making more sustainable progress." Instead, it's you're taking a negative and making it a positive. I mean, it's so funny man. Like what are we all heard this story as a kid? I think the tortoise and the hare. You know that story? - It's an oldie but a goodie. - It's like, what's going on here? It's like, did we all fucking forget that story? Did we all fucking forget that story? Like the tortoise won this race. And I don't know the exact story. I think that the hare ended up taking a nap or something. - Yeah, the hare was so far ahead that they were like, well, I can just stretch out and take a little nap, nobody. - Bro, if this isn't the perfect example of what happens with fitness and nutrition, I can't believe I haven't thought about this sooner. You lose a lot of weight really fast and then you're like, whatever happens, whether it's like, "Oh, well, I've been so good, "maybe I'll just have this." Or it's like, you can't sustain that pace anymore and then you have to give up. It's like the tortoise won. I can't believe I haven't thought about this before. I'm gonna have to make content around this. - Yes. - The tortoise won the fucking race, even though it went slower. - Come on. - Come on, people. - Like let's-- - Aesop's fables folks. - Seriously, oh, is that an Aesop fable? - I believe so. - Dude, what a great book. - I think so. - That had so many, all the fables, they were so great. - You should just go through those. - Oh my gosh, and just find these amazing and albies and stories. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, it's not gonna be as fast, but-- - Who cares? - And it will be more difficult, by the way. - Yeah. - It will be. - I'm like, you're taking, it's like if someone says, "I'm taking anabolic steroids." I feel like I'm not gonna be able to gain muscle as easily. Yeah, you're not. You won't be able to gain muscle as easily. That's exactly right. And by the way, I'm not saying, people say taking steroids is cheating. Taking steroids is cheating if you're competing in something that says it's cheating. If you're just taking steroids and you're not competing in anything, like it's not cheating. I'm not saying it's smart. I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm not saying that it's healthy. And by the way, there are healthy ways to do it and all that and depending on the person, it might be intelligent depending on what they're taking. The media narrative just steroids bad is not necessarily true. I have many friends and colleagues who are on them. Some doing them very stupidly and dangerously and some doing them very intelligently. Either way, it's not cheating. In the same way that taking a GLP1 or an appetite inhibitor is not cheating unless you're like in competing in something that makes that substance cheating. But it does make it easier. So it's obviously not going to be as easy. That's for sure. It's going to be much, much more difficult and you're going to have to both learn ways to handle your hunger, which by the way, will mean you'll probably have to do it more slowly, which because you're not going to be in a severe of a deficit. So you don't want to because you don't want to be as hungry. And you're going to have to really work on willpower. Like not the fun answer, but like maybe not going to bed completely full. That's part of it, right? Like that's part of it and it's not the fun answer, but like that's sometimes what you got to do if that's your goal. - Yeah, and I think the fear comes from having relied on this thing that made it easier. So relearning that you can do it yourself is the goal here. The good news is it doesn't do anything to your metabolism. It's not like it's revving your metabolism up. It's not like it's making your body more efficient at losing fat. All it is doing is reducing your appetite. That's all it is. So physiologically, you have the exact same ability. It's just you'll probably be a little bit hungrier, which makes it more challenging. But your body's ability to lose fat is the exact same. - Yeah, that's interesting. I haven't explored that market of products, but I guess there's stuff that does increase your metabolism, right? Like these fat burning supplements and they're supposed to do that. - The only thing that's really gonna increase your metabolism would be some type of, I mean, legitimately, there are some anabolic steroids that do that, which I do not recommend, 'cause they have awful, awful side effects. The ones that really increase your metabolism, awful effects on your heart. One of my really good friends took one of them and this was, oh my gosh, this must've been in 2014. I'll never forget this. He was taking one and there's people who don't understand steroids. Like there are many different types of steroids. You could take many different types of drugs you could take. This one specifically is often used as a way to essentially like lose fat very, very easily. And it helps you tremendously. It radically increases your metabolic rate, but what that often means is you can't sleep. You are just fucking revved up. But it's terrible because it's basically like you get insomnia where you can't sleep at night and then during the day, you're exhausted. - Yeah, that's way worse. - It's horrible and he took it for a little while and he was like, I do it, I'm done. I can't, I can't do this anymore. I just, I can't do this anymore. It's just not worth it. And so there are drugs that can do that, but I don't recommend any of them. And by the way, I'll say this, if there's a drug that comes out to the world that safely increases your metabolism and doesn't hurt your health and allows you to lose fat more easily, I'll be like, go for it, take it. No problem, if it's safe, it's effective, like it can improve your health. Like go for it, why would not? It doesn't exist right now. There's nothing that's like very safe that would increase your metabolism dramatically. Now, that's not GLP1. GLP1s are not revving up your metabolism. GLP1s are, they're reducing your appetite. And to this, they can be very effective for that. And they have their own side effects and all that. And I have a whole YouTube video on it that we can put in the show notes. If you wanna watch my explanation of GLP1s and I, this title of it is explaining weight loss injections like you're five years old, which I went through a whole host of analogies and explanations to really help you understand what they are and how they work. But they're not revving up your metabolism. But if one day there's a safe effective drug that does it, yeah, absolutely, I'll talk about it and I'll say like, here's my thoughts. But as of right now, there's nothing that is like very, very safe that would radically increase your metabolism. - Yeah, we're supposed to do a whole episode on that. - Oh, perfect. - And GLP1s, so maybe we'll do that next. - Yeah. - All right. What else do we have here? - We got a little Austrian German coming in there. - I don't know why. - Austro-Hungarians for no reason. - Dude, like I don't even know what they are, they just happen. How come that hasn't come out yet before? I do dumb accents all day, every day. - I don't know. - I don't know, I'm shy, man. I'm a shy man. - No, you're not. - It takes me a long time to open up. - It does. - It takes you four years to open up to do that. (laughing) - There you go, so this is like a milestone in our friendship here. - Dude, this makes me very happy. What's your favorite accent to do? - Oh man, it depends what TV show I'm watching. Like, when I was watching-- - Do you have peaky blinders? - Oh, yeah, yeah. - I was just thinking in like North London. - Can you do that accent? That's a tough one to do. - So here's the thing, and this even, I even think about this when I'm like talking to you about Spanish, is I'm like a mimic. And basically, if I'm talking to someone from Mexico, my Spanish will take on like a Mexican accent. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So it'll take on. So if I'm just speaking English, I basically just have this like bad accent, but it'll come back as soon as I'm immersed again. And so it's like when I'm watching the show, I have that accent on command. And then when I try to summon it later, it like starts transforming. And I like put a little Indian in there for no reason. I'm like, it's just like, it gets bad. It just gets really bad. So like I'm bad at accents unless I'm immersed. And then I can-- - Dude, I very much relate to that. - Walk it off, yeah. - You're like, there's something about when you're listening to it in the moment. You can do it, like you can hear it, you can see like where the tongue is going, you can see where they're pronouncing it when they're in their throat and you've heard them say enough words to where you can mimic that. I very much understand that. - And also once you start speaking from the correct place in your mouth, right? Like with them, you know, either in the front or in the back and with the closed mouth or the open mouth. Once you are there, it's easy to stay there. - Yes, yeah. - But to like switch from one to the other, you know. - What's your favorite one? What is your all-time favorite accent to do? - I mean, probably the peaky blinders accent. - Okay, okay. What accent can you grace us with? - I mean, see this is what you're really getting at. You're just trying to get me to say something silly. (laughing) See, I know you too well. And then I get all self-conscious and I lock up. - What were you watching? - No, this isn't recent either. But like I was watching "Occupied," great, great show. And it's like, hypothetically, what would have happened if Russia basically took over or occupied Norway? - Oh, wow. - Anyways, there's like way more back to watch this. - I had to watch this. - It makes this possible, but it was super fun. And it came out before Ukraine. So it was kind of like, oh, this is fantastical drama, but like, nothing like this would actually happen. - Yeah. (laughing) - Do you have a Russian accent? - No, so that's so that the fun accent is an Norwegian accent. - Oh, I wouldn't have expected that. - Occupied? (laughing) - Do you pick? - Yeah, I can't, I can't do it right now, but. (laughing) - I love it. Can you do a Russian one? - No. - Try it. Just try a Russian one. - I wouldn't even, yeah, like, don't do this to me, man. - Just do, just do like a, just say, say-- - Ukraine is, is easy taking for the Russian people. - Okay, dude, that's pretty good. (laughing) - I know like seven words in Russian. Is that, say like a-- - Like the. - Priviet. - The. - Niet. - Priviet. - Niet. - Yeah, there you go. Dude, that's good. - No, it's not, dude. - That's good. That's very good. Yeah, that's very good. Man, did you ever see the man in the high castle? - Yeah, I watched at least the season of it. - Oh my gosh. - Then I love, yeah. - Dude, you gotta go back and watch it. It's, it's incredible. The ending was disappointing, to be fair, the ending was disappointing, but everything leading up to the ending. Oh my gosh. - Yeah. - Oh, it's, oh my gosh. It is, if you're like history and basically, you know, it's, if German, if Germany and Japan won World War II, it's, oh, dude, it's incredible. - No, I love these kind of historical re-imaginings. Like, what if this happened? - Yeah. - So that one was really compelling. I read this book called "The Years of Rice and Salt." That's what it was called. - Oh, okay. - And the idea was, what if the plague, the bubonic plague had actually wiped out most of Europe? - Oh my gosh. - How would history have unfolded? And so he uses this like device of like, following the same characters as they get reincarnated over the centuries. - Oh, very cool. - And so he's able to like, kind of paint the picture of like, from antiquities into modern era. - Wow. - How would history have changed and also like, what would have been the same? No, it's still just a book. - Oh, it's just a book. - What is a good book? - It's just a book. - Okay. It's just a book. I need a, I need a, I'll look that up. I wonder if they have it on. I had really struggled at this point in my life to just sit down and read. - Oh yeah. - Every, I feel like you're not the only one. - I feel the same. - It's, you know, it's funny. It's not because I don't like sitting down and reading. It's just, it's really a time thing at this point. Like to just sit down and read. Like, if I have free time, which is rare, like I would like to go out on a walk or something. And so I would rather just have an audio book. I don't have much time. And if I do have free time, I'd rather get up and move. So that's where the audio book really helps. And I've never been the person that can like, go on an elliptical and read on the elliptical. I've already, I don't know how they do that. So, and I don't have an elliptical anyway. So just being able to go outside and listen. I'm gonna see if I can download that. 'Cause that would be really wonderful for me to, I've been looking for a good book to listen to. So it'd be good. - Yeah, I'd be curious, I'd be curious what you think. You know, I've been looking at virtual reality headsets. Like ever since the Apple one came out. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - They're getting kind of cool. But I imagine like one of those Google glass things or something, like you could probably just wear glasses in the near future and just have a book. Like just scroll in front of your eyes. - I really struggle with that. I think one day they'll be incredible. I'll tell you, I think people who know me, and I think you could see where this is gonna go pretty quick. 'Cause you know me pretty well. When I'm walking outside, I only have one headphone in. You know, just because I wanna be aware of what's going on. I don't wanna have these glasses on when I'm outside or walking or something and not be aware of my surroundings. I'm just like, I'm hyper vigilant. And my wife and I talk about it all the time. And if I'm on a treadmill or something, I could see that being great, right? But even then, like if I'm in my own garage on my treadmill, awesome. But if I'm in a public gym, dude, like I'm hyper vigilant. I'm aware, like I don't like to just be zoned out you just never know. And I hate that that's where we are now. But it would be very difficult for me to focus on like the glasses and reading and the glasses and not be aware of my surroundings. So that's my main issue with that. - So for a while, I was really exploring meditation, really trying to like incorporate it as like a daily routine. - Yeah. - And it was awesome when I was doing it. I would love to do it again, but you know, I haven't been all that to say, I remember for a while. I was like, wouldn't it be nice to like go to a park and just like meditate out in the park? - Yes, yeah. - So I did that a few times. And I remember one time I was just like on a park bench and I was like, I'm gonna sit down and meditate. And I just remember being like, am I being incredibly stupid right now? Like in the middle of the city to like just close my eyes and try to like zone out and like, I just like, I could open my eyes and there could be like five people in a circle just like, you know, I wouldn't have known, right? - It doesn't even have to be a person with bad intent. It could be someone who's just, they're struggling mentally, emotionally. Like it doesn't have to be someone who's looking for, so you don't know what someone else is going through and what's gonna happen. You just have no idea. Like it's, or dude, the number of, at this point, I've seen enough videos on social media of people sitting in a restaurant, like in the seat next to a window where someone fell asleep at the wheel and then the car dropped. Like it's like, I don't do that anymore. Like I sit very far back now, which is like, maybe it's crazy. Maybe like, I know statistically probability, like it's very low, but dude, it's just, I don't know. At this point in my life, it's just like, it's not necessarily 'cause someone is bad intent. It's just someone stopped paying attention. They're having their own issues. And then the bystander gets hurt as a result of it. So if I'm in my own yard, I would love to be able to sit down and meditate, but publicly do this. I don't think I could do that. I'm like on eyelirt, especially with a wife and daughter and a pregnant wife at that. You're like, Tony Soprano, you sit in the diner and you always look. I always do the front door. My wife knows it. My wife knows it's like, yeah, it's not even a joke, dude. Like, my wife knows I'm gonna be looking. So I have the best view of what's going on in the restaurant or wherever we are, 100%. All right, this one is from Red Wine and Rainbows. Hi, Tony. I'm loving your podcast with Jordan and have a question for you guys. I have around 100 pounds to lose and I also recently rediscovered my love of swimming and have joined a master's team. Oh, that's awesome, right? What is the best way to handle losing weight while improving performance? I have tried following your calculator's protein and working on fiber goals, but I am ending up exhausted and wanted to eat my own arm. Thanks. So, number one, this makes me so happy for so many reasons. You have a significant amount of weight to lose and you're taking action on it. Huge congratulations. A lot of people say, maybe I should wait to start exercising until I lose the weight? No, not only are you not waiting, like you're joining a master's team for, like, I just, you're doing so many things at once and it makes me very proud of you. And so I want to say that from the very beginning. I love that. Now, what I will say is I do have an entire YouTube video about like, I think it's how to lose 100 pounds or more. I will link that in the show notes 'cause it's like over an hour long YouTube video and it's the most in-depth piece of content I've ever made on if you need to lose a lot of weight. So I would refer you to that. The thing that I'll say in terms of the, being very, very hungry. Instead of choosing your ultimate goal weight for my calorie calculator, so like your goal weight by 12, if you have a 100 pounds lose, what you could do is you could choose an intermediary goal weight. So let's just say, I'm making this up, let's say you're 300 pounds and you want to wait 200 pounds. Instead of choosing 200 by 12 for it to come up with your calories, maybe choose 250. 250 by 12 and then now like you'll have significantly more calories to work with. You'll still be in a calorie deficit. Your weight loss might be slower because you're eating more calories. And no, your weight loss will be slower because you're eating more calories, but you're not gonna be so hungry. So it becomes more sustainable. The reason I said might be is because you're still gonna be burning a lot of calories from the swimming. So it might actually end up being the same, the same rate. Obviously, if you were eating fewer calories and doing the swimming on top of it, you would be losing weight way, way, way more quickly. But if you're so hungry you want to eat your arm, then that's not gonna be sustainable. So use an intermediary goal weight and that's gonna help it be more sustainable, eat more calories. That's what I would recommend from the beginning. - Yeah. You mentioned like a 250 as the intermediate goal weight. Is it always a good idea to just kind of split the difference or how do you think about that? - That was just an example. It's a great question. It was just an example. I mean, you could do 275. 275 would be very slow, like very slow progress. I would say 225 would be much faster, but it's not that huge of a caloric difference. So 250 was like splitting the difference, getting a pretty significant amount of extra calories while also still making pretty significant progress. But generally speaking, if you choose a goal weight that is closer to your current weight, it'll be slower progress. If you choose a goal weight that is further away from your current weight, it'll be faster progress. But slower progress means less hungry, faster progress means more hungry. So you have to sort of balance and figure out which one makes the most sense to you. With 100 pounds to lose because that is pretty significant, I still wanted a relatively fast rate of progress. So which is why I split that difference, but if it was 20 pounds to lose, I might make it much closer. With that being said, by the time you get to 20 pounds to lose, you have to be a little bit more precise with your calories 'cause you have less wiggle room. Things change as you go. But the cool part is when you have a lot more to lose, you can be a little bit less precise and you have a lot more wiggle room. Whereas when you don't have as much to lose, the wiggle room gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, you have to be a little bit more precise. - Yeah. And I wonder if she just started a master swimming course or a swimming team, if she's using a lot more calories than she was before. Like if she had already been swimming all the time and kind of had like a baseline of this is how much energy it takes, I'm not hungrier than usual because of swimming. Like I wonder if it's like a double whammy there. It's like she's swimming, which is incredibly, you know, what's the word I'm looking for. It wears you out. - It's exhausting. - It makes you hungry. Every time I go swimming, I get really tired when I'm hungry, so. And she's putting herself in a pretty severe deficit. - I mean, swimming is, there's really nothing like it in terms of exercise. It's inherently full body. I don't think that I've ever been as hungry as when I swim. For an extended duration of time. Like you use so much, especially 'cause I'm a terrible swimmer. I'm not efficient, which means that I'm just, it's funny, I was gonna say I'm drowning. No pun intended. It's like I'm just, I'm drowning. Like I'm, it's horrible. I sink like a rock. I'm terrible with my breathing. I'm using an insane amount of energy. It's really, really fricking difficult. Yeah, the amount of hunger you will have will be pretty significant from that relative to, definitely relative to something like walking. So yeah, I mean, both of those together, I would say making your goal weight higher is gonna make it far more sustainable. - Yeah. I actually had a question for you. - Oh wow, I love it, let's do it. - Did you start boxing? - I did, I did start boxing. - All right, we gotta talk about this. We gotta talk about this. I did boxing in college for just a little bit. I was going to gym. - Did you like it? - Yeah, I loved it. In college, I was, I was really out of shape. I'm like, I think a lot of people were-- - I think a lot of people were. - And like, I was drinking and, and so then I would like go to this boxing gym and it was like a legit boxing gym. Like this guy was, you know, had been competing for years. I'm like, it wasn't like a collegey, like, oh, get fit. And it was like, it was like a proper, you know, old school boxing gym. And you know, and so he was having us do all these push-ups and like burpees and jumping jacks and like, just the warm-up, I'd just be sitting there like sweating, like my, like a million crunches and like my abs would just be jelly. But I loved it, man. I got to the point where I started sparring and then just kinda, I guess the semester ended and then the next year I didn't get back to it, but-- - Yeah. - It was super fun. And I was thinking about jujitsu, like in the back of my mind, I was also like, yeah, but do I want to do jujitsu or do I want to do boxing? 'Cause I've always kind of wanted to go back to that. - Yeah. - Anyway, so that's my personal-- - T.D. should definitely go back to it. You should give it a shot. It's, I mean, listen, it's all fun. The, so I box for about two years when I lived in New York City. - I actually don't even know that. - Yeah, so I box for about two years and I grew up wrestling and doing gymnastics, wrestling. So I've always liked the ground game. I've always liked grappling. I've liked being on mass. And so that's where it's nostalgia. It's like, that's where I just feel the best and I have the most fun. Jujitsu, you can really express your flexibility and mobility, your strength. You're like, there's so much you can express there. Whereas boxing, it's not as, you can't express as much of your body's ability to do certain things. Boxing is a, I mean, obviously kickboxing, Muay Thai, you get a little bit more mobility in there. You're kicking, like you can do some really crazy stuff, but I think you have more freedom to express different movements within wrestling and Jujitsu than you would in something like boxing. Even kickboxing, Muay Thai, which are all amazing. I really enjoy boxing. It's an insane workout. It's devastating. The cardio for it is absolutely wild. I'm really glad I had about two years of experience before I started this time because it gave me more context as to how I wanted to communicate with my coach. And the first thing I said was, I was like, number one, I'm not doing this for a workout. I was like, I know how to workout. I don't want you to have me doing burpees. I don't want you to have me like trying to get a sweat in. I was like, if I sweat, great. But I want to learn the science of boxing because it really is an art and a science. And that's been one of the really cool things for me, especially getting much better at Jujitsu, is like learning the science of it. And when I would watch mixed martial arts fights, I always really enjoyed watching them go to the ground 'cause I could see not just what they were doing, but what they were setting up, not just what they were defending, but what they were preparing for. And like seeing a much bigger picture based on subtle movements and subtle position changes. Whereas when I watched when they were standing up, it was very much just like, oh, here's that punch, here's that kick. I wanted to, I want to understand why and what they're doing and what they're setting up. It's really like chess. And I wanted to see that. I wanted to understand it better. And so I told that to Jeff Neal, my coach, there's like number eight ranked UFC fighter in his weight division. And he was like, awesome, like that's perfect. And it's been so fun. It's been so fun because every session, it's not done with the intent of trying to burn calories. It's not done with the intent of trying to, it's like, and he's been great because he's really tailoring it to me as an individual. - This is a one on one. This is a one on one, we do it one or two times a week. He had to cancel this week 'cause his girlfriend got COVID. And my wife is pregnant, we don't want to risk that. But I'm obviously a short dude. And I love how he's like, listen, you're a short fighter. So this is what you would need to do in order to be successful against like most of the people that you would fight would probably be taller than you. So here's the strategy that you need to get inside, you need to, how do you bait them into that? How do you bait them into making a mistake? How do you get inside? Do the damage, get back out? It's been very fun. It's been very, very fun. And even learning different ways of striking. It's different, it's like, yeah, you can learn an uppercut, but there are different ways to throw an uppercut. You could throw a straight, but there's different ways to throw a straight. You could throw a looping straight and over, like there are different ways to do it. And so learning the science of when, where, why has been, it's just very fun for me as an aside, but also along the same lines, there's Alzheimer's in my family. And my wife and I were talking about it last night and she was like, how do you prevent it? I was like, well, number one, you can't definitively prevent it. But I was like, one of the best things you can do is always be learning. And I was like, I love learning. And so I told her, I was like, this is one of the reasons why I love boxing, why I love doing jiu-jitsu, why I love doing this mobility. Like, I love learning, I love, love, love learning. And yes, exercise is obviously great for it as well, but that learning the why, the how, the science, the movement, like that's what brings me so much joy in this process. And so I've really had a lot of fun so far, and we're only a few months in right now, but, and the dude like hits like a fucking truck and he's like just being very light with me. His hands are huge. His hands are the size of a fucking basketball. And it's just like, I can really very quickly see, I never ever wanna get hit. - Yeah. - Ever, ever. - Yeah. - It's just, he'll lightly be like, yeah, and boom. And I'll be like, oh, like it's, oh, sorry, sorry. Like, and he was just lightly touching me. And I'm like, that's, dude, I never wanna get in a fight, ever. I never wanna get in a fight. I do this 'cause I like to learn, and if I do get in a fight, like I wanna be able to protect myself, but I just never wanna fight anyone ever. It's just incredibly painful to get hit. (laughing) - Yeah, I already get your, you know, arm broken or... - Oh, dude, absolutely not. (laughing) - That is, it's been very cool. When I did boxing in, for two years, we really only focused on offense, like punching. A huge portion of what Jeff has been working with me on has been defense, like defensive boxing, not even just slipping and rolling, but parrying the punches, right? So it's like being able to, parrying the punches, blading yourself, and then counter striking off of their, you're parrying off of like, and one of the things that he said to me that was just, it was very powerful. He was just like, listen, you're gonna get punched in the face. He was like, when you get into a fight, you're gonna get hit. Which is one of those things where it's like, I think people, they often think of like a Bruce Lee movie, or a ninja where they just dodge everything and they don't get hit. It's like, he's like, nope. You have to know you're gonna get hit, 'cause I was doing the thing where when he would throw at me, like, I'd like be blinking, my eyes would be closing, and he'd be like, that's your instinct, but you have to learn to just keep your eyes open as they're punching you in the face, which is very difficult, but it's like, one of the reasons your eyes will close is 'cause you're not expecting to get hit. He's like, you just gotta expect it. Like, you're going to get hit. And there are ways to reduce the effectiveness of their hit and make sure that you don't get knocked out, but like, you just gotta know you're gonna get hit. Which is like, okay, well, that really sucks, but it's also very powerful to know I'm just gonna get hit in the face. Cool, I know it, so I'm gonna hit, you know? So it's been very fun. I really like the learning process. - I remember, there was some online quiz, and it was like, what martial art should you take? And like, one of the questions is like, would you prefer getting punched in the face or choked out? - It's just like me either, like, how is that? How would you have a strong preference? - That sounds awful, they both sound terrible. (laughing) (laughing) - Oh my gosh, well listen, thank you everyone for listening. We sincerely appreciate you. If you could leave a five-star review, it would mean the world to us, the written reviews, are the best, they help a lot. Thank you to everyone who's already done it. Again, thank you so much for listening. We love you, we appreciate you. If you have any questions, please shoot Tony a message. We'll put his Instagram in the show notes. Shoot Tony a message with any questions you have. I believe he's running low on the now suit. You gotta ask him some questions. Have a wonderful week. We'll talk to you soon. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]