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And to celebrate their partnership with Five Reasons Sports, they're offering listeners a 10% discount on their next purchase using the code 5. That's F-I-V-E and get 10% off at checkout. All right, here with Alex, and today we're gonna talk about the Heat and I've just got one question for you. Are they mid? Yeah, they're mid. And we were talking about this off air and we both independently had the same thought which was merged together. But how could we not have this thought being people who were fans and cover South Florida sports teams? Miami Heat so far this season remind me a lot of the Miami Dolphins last regular season where they're capable of winning and sometimes even beating up on bad teams. But then when they face good teams and have an opportunity at signature wins, the signature wins don't come. And it's such a trend to this point, Ethan. I know there's a couple of different stats that illustrate this, but one that I was looking at earlier today is, and obviously the Heat just lost to the Nuggets. 108 last night, which means the Nuggets get the regular season sweep against the Heat and we all saw what happened in the finals. Last year, the Nuggets are our daddies and they've been that way for a long time. But overall, for the Miami Heat so far this season, facing teams that currently have the top five records in the league, the Heat are 0-11 against those teams. And I know it was a topic on a recent five on the floor from a night or two ago. How badly do the Heat need a signature win? Last night would have been a great opportunity at it, Ethan. And it was one of those things where, on nights when the Heat or Panthers aren't playing, I like to go to bed very, very early. I stay up to watch my teams and sometimes not the case with the Panthers this year, but sometimes with the Heat, the last four games, I regret staying up past 9.30 to watch the end of the game. And last night, I thought they had a shot heading into that fourth quarter. And when Jimmy Butler really needed to step up, he just, Denver's a tough matchup for him. We'll talk about it, but it's been a trend though during this four game losing streak where he just doesn't look interested enough in creating offense. And that was something that reared a tug we had last night. - Well, we're gonna have Brady Hawk on the show here about halfway through. Brady does stay up past 9.30 because he's 20 years old. And we'll get back to the Heat in a second, but I wasn't gonna wear the hat, but my daughter got me this hat. And now that you say you can't stay up past 9.30, I will show the hat. I'm old, this is not you. I'm old, but I'm like, cool old. I will not be sending you that. - Definitely not me. - No, since 9.30 is problematic for you. But here's the thing about it, they are mid this year. The numbers all suggested. We have tried on five on the floor to sort of, I guess, hope traffic them into something more. But you can't get past, you mentioned Owen 11 against those five teams. If you add the bucks, they're one in 13. Now, so really they have one signature win, which was the win in Milwaukee. Like, that's the one. I mean, they've beaten some other, you know, pretty decent teams, but if you take a look at the, I think you're gonna throw this graphic up here on the YouTube channel. They are the top 16 teams in the league. Okay, and again, in net rating, I think they fell the 17th yesterday. So they've been in that kind of 15 to 20 range and net rating the whole year. But as we're scrolling down here, their record against above 500 teams is, what is that? 14 and 21 in that category. So that is the worst of the top 16 teams, which again is expected based on what we've witnessed this year. And against below 500 teams, they're 21 and nine, which is fine, but this is why the Washington loss was problematic because they have handled most of the teams. And now they're getting two against Detroit. And I don't care if, you know, is hero and love or out or what, I mean, you have to sweep two games against Detroit. They had to get the Washington win. But you know, you take a look at the game in Dallas to me. I didn't think they were gonna win both games in OKC and Dallas. But I thought there was a chance to at least get the Dallas game. And I think what you've mentioned, and we're gonna talk about this more on five on the floor, is if they don't get the engaged, aggressive, dynamic, interested Jimmy Butler, they don't win. And they can't beat these kind of teams. And there is a trend this year for sure, where he has not played that well against the better teams. And we're gonna dive more into that on five on the floor. But Denver is a specifically challenging match up for him, because it's not just that they can put Gordon on him, who I saw someone on our Discord today, say he's kind of like their BAM, and they put their BAM on Jimmy. Then when Gordon's not on him, you're switching KCP on him. Jamal Murray is bigger than I think people give him. I mean, you see Jamal Murray on the court, like he's a stocky 6-4 who could still move. And now they've got this Peyton Watson, who's kind of replaced Bruce Brown, who's another of these NBA ready guys, or close to NBA ready guys that they drafted. They have a very similar philosophy to the Heat now. And he's got length, and he gives Jimmy problems also. So Denver is almost a non-starter for the, honestly, they would get beaten four or five games in the finals again by them. So the only chance they would have to win a championship, in my view, is if somebody else knocks off Denver first. But it's not just Denver, Alex. It's also early in the season. He didn't show up really against Milwaukee or Boston. And when they don't, and again, recently, that's been the case in some of these games against the better teams. And look, I understand the playoff Jimmy thing, and that there's a ramp up with him. But he's also 34 years old. And he's not gonna have it every night. We have to accept that. But you can tell with his energy. And we mentioned the free throw shooting with him a lot. His attempts are down in the losses. He averages six attempts in losses, I believe, 10 in wins. And now the league has kind of trending towards calling fewer fouls. Even sports reference that yesterday. And so it's not that Jimmy sells fouls, but he kind of needs some of those sometimes to get him into it. And he's not getting them lately. And then when you talk about not just the good teams, but you go against a bad team like Washington, and Kyle Coosle has got 16 attempts at Jimmy's got four. And you're not gonna, I don't care who it was all the rest of you. You're not winning a game like that. So a lot of this, unfortunately, we boil this stuff down. Some people say it's unfair. Jimmy's the highest paid player. He's the reason for belief. And if he's not getting it done, you can't believe in this thing. And I'll get to this part of it on this, 'cause this is the difference. Gentlemen, the dolphins. You mentioned this on pre-show, so I want you to elaborate on this. With the dolphins, they couldn't beat good teams this year, but we haven't seen them do it in the playoffs. So everybody just kind of expected the worst. I feel like heat fans are just holding on to the fact that, well, we did it last year. So yes, we're mid, but we were mid last year, too, during the regular season where three minutes were being eliminated from the whole thing, and we turned it on. So I guess, how strong is your belief that that would actually happen? - Yeah, well, they've certainly built that belief in the fan base, and they have some equity from that perspective, 'cause we've literally seen this team do it last year, like from the play-in to the NBA Finals. And obviously, you're a loser in the finals. It had happened in the bubble. It happened this time. You don't really remember who comes in second place, but still, they were punching above their weight in both of those runs, especially last year, coming in through the eighth seed. So they've built that equity. But the problem is, I don't think it's just the heat fans, some heat fans who believe that this team can just flip a switch in the playoffs. I also think a lot of heat players believe that they could just flip a switch in the playoffs. Jimmy included, but yeah, the difference between the heat and the dolphins is stark. And you can even say the same thing in a way. When it comes to equity with your fan base, we talk about what an incredible run the Florida Panthers have been on this season, and they're Stanley Cup favorites in some places, depending on which sports book you look at, but there still is a feeling among South Florida sports fans. You've got to actually show me, you can do it. You actually have to show me you have to win, where the heat have built enough equity where people assume they can do that. But I still, I hate the idea, Ethan, in this play-in era where you face one and done or two and done situations once you get into that play-in round, depending on what number you go in from, it's frightening. Like I don't want to gamble with that. I don't want to be a seven through 10 and have to rely on getting through that game or games in order to actually get into the playoff proper this year, 'cause I think you're playing with fire at that point. And I also, for a team that just had a deep playoff run and has had a few of those in recent years, I think a certain point fatigue comes into play, and once you get late into May and June, that it may be tougher to grind out some of those games that you grinded out last season. So I don't want that. But yeah, there's obviously a difference between the heat and the dolphins in that respect, where Miami Dolphins last year, I know the wheels came off late in the season and of course that Tennessee game was what ultimately cost them home field advantage, but I still, and maybe I'm just more cynical than a lot of people when it comes to the Miami Dolphins, who I've been a fan of my entire life, but I'm cynical to the point where you've got to show me, you can win a playoff game before I believe you can, at least with the heat, I have seen that, but I still don't want to rely on that mentality every year that these guys can just flip a switch and that Jimmy is going to go from a disinterested, six for 16 that he shot last night, magically becoming a 40 point score, hitting 70% of his shots in the playoffs, even though we've seen it happen before, I don't want to rely on that every single year. - So compared to the Dolphins and the Panthers, the Dolphins have no trust in this regard. So I think that fans' frustration with that and where they thought the season was going to go and where it ultimately did go, which is a validation now, that's going to be the case until they prove it. The Panthers are proving it. I think that may be where the Panthers and heat have diverged this year, whereas last year they got totally aligned. If you look at their seasons, they were the same. - Yeah, they were. - They were really the same. They kept doing the same things and wasn't so good during the regular season because the Panthers won the president's trophy the year before and then we're struggling. They only got an eighth seed in the last week last year and then obviously upset Boston and went from there, but those things are totally aligned. The Panthers and this year are not the same. You mentioned the Panthers and good teams. Well, they were losing three, nothing to Dallas, okay? One of the better teams in the NHL. They came back and scored four goals at the end. I didn't have any faith that the heat were going to close that thing out yesterday. Like they got it within one at the end of the third quarter. They actually were leading by one and then Murray made this ridiculous reverse layup. And then in the fourth quarter, I'm not sure what's supposed to doing there, but it feels like experimentation to me and I don't know that Denver's the team to do that against where he's starting the fourth quarter with a lineup that includes Patty Mills and Thomas Bryant. And Jimmy and I guess it was Jimmy, Caleb and Hawkez, which is just an odd group to go with there. Like you can't have Patty Mills who just arrived as your spacer in that lineup. And so I think that's where he fans are kind of like, okay, is it both taking this thing seriously or are we just sort of waiting to try to get out of the plan or be in the plan and kind of dig ourselves out of that again? Some of this is the inconsistency with availability, hero and love being the latest, but the heat have talked about their depth all year and they've talked about the resilience and it just feels to me like when they go against the better teams, they're outmatched. And a lot of that points to size. And that's a philosophical thing that I think the organization's gonna have to look at more seriously and maybe it is more of a commitment to Yovitch next season or maybe again, I'm not a big believer in the four or five thing with BAM or whatever, but just getting bigger players to play up front to take the burden off of BAM because they don't have functional size compared to other teams at some positions and Denver does. And we can say, well, I should just Denver. It's not just Denver. And Denver is the standard right now, just like the Warriors with the standard for a few years, just like during the big three era, the heat were the standard, you have to go after the standard and they don't have a team to match up with that one. They just don't. And there's someone who's been in the organization a long time. He's not a decision maker. I'm not gonna give the person away who walked by me last night while I was going to the locker room, said we could play that team a hundred times. We'd lose 99. - Well, I believe it. I mean, it's basically her record in the last 100 against Denver. - It's right, exactly. I think I saw the, well, the one way it was in game two, I guess, of the NBA finals, but a little bit of a different roster. But there you go. All right, we're gonna bring on Brady Hawk here in a second before we do want to tell you about a great sponsor. The five reasons, of course, that were five on the floor, three yards per carry. 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I don't know what's for it. - Him using mid definitely. I was shocked by that as well. Although I'm the guy on the show that usually goes to bed at 9.30 when there's not a heat in the answers game. So I shouldn't be talking. - I'm dead ass serious about it. - Okay, I'm just going to move past this. I mean, yeah, I mean, every metric and everything that we've seen this season in the regular season points to that. And I mean, everything that pointed to it in the regular season last year showed that they were kind of right in the middle of the pack. So, but I mean, this time around, there's just, it's a different feel because we've said this is a better roster. The guys, the role players that were on the regular season last year, we kind of talked about like the maxes and the games of the world had horrible regular seasons. Where you look at a lot of their role players, like individually have not been bad this season. It really comes down to it for me. Like they don't have an identity to me. Like they don't have, if you have an identity, it means you do something consistently. Like whatever you're good at, you do consistently. And this team does not do anything consistently. Like I've seen at points where they defend well. Like they had February where they were the best defense in February. I thought that they were really pointing up in that way. And then it's fallen off in March. Like they've been really bad. I thought they were good against Denver last night. I thought they were defended good enough against them. But ultimately, they just don't do a lot of things consistently well. Offense, I don't really know what they're trying to do most of the time. You look at the fact that you cannot not shoot well. Like shoot 20% from three last night and also not have Jimmy clicking. If you have both of those things that are not going your way, you're not scoring. You're just not. And then you have, I know you just hit on Ethan about the lineup last night. You cannot, and games like that against Denver, when you're playing these really good teams cannot have, especially in a game where you're scoring 88 points, cannot have a three to four minute pocket where you're just kind of shooting yourself in the foot. You just can't. Like you cannot have that lineup in there where the offense is going nowhere. Like it's like Patty Mills, I think you pointed out, it was like Patty Mills, Jimmy, Caleb Hawkes, and Thomas Bryant. And I know everybody's pointing to the fact that like, why is Thomas Bryant playing with Patty Mills? It's not as much that for me as like, who was playing with them? Because you have three wings next to those guys that are not complimenting each other in any way. Like you're basically asking, either Jimmy's going to be, Jimmy, crazy Jimmy, getting to the line, getting to the rim consistently, or Patty Mills is going to hit pullups. Other than that, you're not really getting it. You're not having like a consistent hub to get to. So yeah, they're just not a lot of consistency right now. And that's why they're a middle-of-back team. - Jimmy, Jimmy to me has just not done nearly enough over the past four games. But let's focus on last night. Is that just a case of Denver being a horrible match-up for him? Or, you know, is there something where he had an extra gear last night that he just chose not to hit? - There's no doubt that Denver is a tough match-up for him. Like they just are, they pack the paint, they have Aaron Gordon on him who's just really physical with him. 'Cause you look at like a lot of the time, there was a play in last night's game where Jimmy got the Jamal Murray switch. I think it was in the first half. He gets to the rim and like bullies him. Like those are shoulder right into his chest and gets a lift. Like he's like, it was almost like a breath of fresh air. Like, oh my God, wait, I could bully somebody now. Like I could find somebody on the court that I can even somewhat bully. And it's even tough with Jamal Murray because he's a bigger guard and a tough guy to post up. So they just don't have a lot of guys to attack for Jimmy. And it seems like it gets in his way of getting into that mode where he's getting a bunch of foul calls or he's getting to the rim consistently. I asked Spov at a last night where he kind of pointed to the fact that, you know, it's an officiating shift where he's like, maybe Jimmy has to start entering shot-making mode instead. Like he needs to start trying to find those different spots where he almost needs to hit pull up jumpers against Denver. Like that's pretty much like the key to that matchup. He has to be able to hit those kind of mid-range jumpers consistently. But the free throw thing is kind of the most odd thing because it's not, it wasn't just last night. Like as you point out, it's been over the last four. I was looking at some numbers today where he's shooting 10 free throws a game in Whittens and he's shooting six free throws a game in losses. So then I look back to last year and I'm like, is this like what is the difference compared to past years? Last year he was shooting nine in wins and eight in losses. So like pretty even, like he's pretty much doing it consistently, doing what he does no matter what. This year it's like, there's just some nights he just doesn't get to the line and it hurts their offense. And as much as Pho said it, like he's right. Jimmy is not like a guy that just baits fouls and tries to do it. Like he is physical enough that he draws fouls. He forces contact, but they need that. Like they need him to be the aggressor. They cannot have him standing in the corner in a Patty Mills Thomas Bryant line. Like they have to have him being clicking in that mode. And Denver is just a tough match for him to kind of find that rhythm. - Yeah, Brady, you mentioned something I completely agree with a short while ago that you don't really know what this team's identity. They don't really have an identity. So you know, you know so much about the construction of this roster. What do you think that identity should look like if they were clicking on all cylinders? - It's always gotta be defense. It just has to because their offense has never consisted enough for me to say that. Like you don't know what Jimmy you're getting. You don't know what the shooting's gonna be. Like it could be bottom of the league. Like it was last year. Then all of a sudden they shoot the lights out in the playoffs. So like random stuff can happen on that end of the floor. And then obviously you never know who's gonna be playing. Like we have this idea of like Tyler and Bam and Jimmy kind of leading the way, but then Tyler's not playing. And obviously the offense is all over the place where they can plug things in defensively to figure it out. I know it's not talking about, especially at this Denver game, we're gonna be talking about the lack of size and everything. But like they defended enough last night. They scored 88 points. If they shot at a decent level, if Jimmy played at a decent level, they're right in that thing and they probably win it. Like the defense, the stuff that Bam was able to do last night was big. I thought their off ball defense was really good in that game. It gets a team that usually exposes you with the stuff that they run and the movement and the way that Yokojka hit passes over the top. So ideally it's always going to be defense. But like I said, like as much as I was on that wave in February, I've been a bit surprised how they've defended in March. I thought this is the time of the year when they're gonna see a little bit of an uptick. And maybe it's 'cause they're still trying to figure out rotations. Like Heywood, a guy that's probably their second best defender on this team is on the outside of the rotation looking in where he's basically, he keeps talking about like, I don't even know what I'm gonna play. But he's staying ready because he randomly gets thrown in at the end of the second quarter. But like it's just a tough dynamic. It almost feels like they're gonna hit a certain point where it's gonna come down to like five games left in the regular season hanging in the playoffs. And they're just, you're gonna see a shift. And I don't know if it's gonna be yo-vitch or not. But they're gonna hit a defensive shift where they're gonna say, okay, we're just gonna bet on this defense and see maybe, you know, Jimmy around this time of year could save the offense. - Right, but the problem with saying we're gonna shift to defense is they're getting hero back at some point, right? So there's going to be a transition period here because as we know on the offensive end Tyler is gonna be a high usage player. Maybe not as high usage as he was. And we're at the point now where, I mean, it's gonna be under 15 games before he starts to play again, right? And I don't get the sense that, I mean, again, maybe longer than that. So some of this, I was reading in the comments here on the YouTube channel like about Spo experimenting and all the rest of this and hiding things and all that. And I kind of want to believe that too. But like Spo is just throwing like Mills Bryant lineups in the fourth quarter against defending champions at the wall to see if that sticks. And, you know, not surprisingly it did not stick. I mean, it's just sort of dripping down the side of the wall. But with that, I mean, with that said, like I don't know how we can convince ourselves at that at this point. Like it's, I mean, that, okay, all of a sudden there's gonna be this nine man rotation. Like once Tyler and Kevin, love her back and it just emerges and all of a sudden everybody's gonna understand their roles and all that. I don't see that happening prior to the playoffs at this point. Am I too pessimistic about that? - I'll say I think the, not to like go to Kevin before Tyler, but like the Kevin thing legitimately shifts their lineups, like it really does. Like they need, this is why we did the podcast before where I legitimately think Kevin, love is our most important role player, like not that it's the, like I said, Thomas Bryant played decent enough last night. You played way better than he has in the past. But Kevin, love does things for their lineups and spaces them correctly for Jimmy to be able to get to the room, to be able to draw fouls, to be able to do all of that stuff where it's like, I really do feel like he fixes a lot of the non-BAM minutes and even the BAM minutes, like a game like Denver, you could see matchups where they play Kevin, love next to BAM, a lot more. Teams like Boston, they're gonna play Kevin, love next to BAM, a lot more. So I think he's gonna kind of be like the guy that they're, if we're, if they're saving somebody, they're saving Kevin. I don't think they're saving Tyler. Like I think they're more so saying, we need Tyler back. We need him in this final stretch. We need to figure out what lineups he's best in. We need to figure out how we're gonna split up this usage. As for Kevin, it's like, get him to the playoffs, healthy, please, because we need that guy when it matters most, but the Tyler thing is like, we keep saying about it, you guys, we talked about it after the Denver series last year. Like they, Tyler definitely would help against this team. They can't score against them. Like they force you to take mid deep mid range shots because they limit your three point attempts as we saw last night. They pack the paint in a way for Jimmy that he's not able to do that. So they force a lot of these mid range jumper that's like, Terry should be taking more of the mid range jumpers, even though he was passing up on a few of them last night. Tyler would take them. Like Tyler would be, love those type of shots that they're giving him. So he's just a perfect matchup for that team. So they need to figure it out. Like they need to find it, as I said, the word consistency before, they need to figure out, like they cannot just walk into the first round or not even the first round. They need to, they can't walk into the play in and say, like just throw their players out into the court and say like figure it out again. Like they legitimately need some type of formula that they think is going to work. - It's a good point from our Conk 77 on here. In the Bron era, they consistently talked about building championship habits. Where is that mentally gone in the Jimmy era? This team is consistently inconsistent. Well, there are different rules for Jimmy then for LeBron, which is as much emphasized we're in the locker room yesterday and we're like, is Jimmy talking tonight? And they're like, well, he's not submittal. Okay, he's not submittal about talking to the media after a loss. It's a little bit different. Brady, I'll go to this on before we close here and things are joining. And of course you can hear Brady regularly on five on the floor. I'm looking at the rest of the heat schedule and this is a plus and a minus in some ways. There aren't a lot of opportunities for signature wins left. Like we've talked about, they had the signature win in Milwaukee, right? That's their one. Like and they have one against Cleveland. They're two and three against those two teams. They're all in 11 against the other better teams of the league. I mean, they got a game in Philly without MB. They're in Cleveland. They're not totally healthy right now. The home games, I mean, they play the pelicans again at home, Mavericks again at home. But there's a lot of Raptors, rockets. I mean, they get the Knicks again at home. Wizards, we see what they just lost to. Of course, I guess that'll be a signature win now. Like if they beat Kuzma this time. And then they've got two in Detroit. Do they need to prove something before the playoffs or is this just get into the playoffs and whoever the matchup is and just go from there? - I don't think it matters anymore. Like at this point, they just need to get to the six seed. They cannot be a play in seed. They have to, I guess it's what we even talked about it before when they were playing well. It was like, six seed is probably a better spot for them specifically than the four or five seeds. Like just because of the matchups. And if you were to make a run, you're keeping Boston as you're kind of keeping them down the line for the Easter Conference finals and everything like that. So it's like, at this point, they just need to win the games that they're supposed to. And in this season, which is not something we're accustomed to, have won most of the games they're supposed to. Like that Washington game, as much as we're talking about how horrible that loss was, they haven't done a lot of that. They've pretty much taken care of a lot of the bad teams. So now you have Detroit up twice. You could try to find a rhythm a little bit, but it's like they need lineup consistency, rotation consistency more than anything to me. Like there's this idea that like Jimmy, we're looking at what you were talking about in the locker in last night. Like they don't know what Jimmy they're getting. They just don't. Like they're looking around some games and it's like, okay, well Denver is a game where he, this is the one team he feels like he probably has to prove something against it. It's like, okay, so he should be able to come out. He's gonna come out with that fire. And then randomly it'll be like a game against Detroit and he'll be fiery and trolling and do all this stuff and they'll lead behind him. It's just a tough thing. So now it's just literally about finding a way to get out of the plane. It's just fighting to get to that spot and trying to find a way to get out of it. So the thing is now, the next question is, and I know you were talking about this earlier, it's like, can they kind of find life in a bottle? Like they did last year in a playoff setting. Like can you get to that spot and make a run? Is there a confidence in that? I think there's a 50/50 split, Ethan, if you pulled that right now, like probably they'll probably lean no right now after a loss. If you asked after a win, it would probably lean yes, 'cause it's just the reason he buys, but it's probably an even 50/50 split because there's partial people that think, okay, Jimmy has this ability, no matter what you saw from him the game before, can just randomly just start caring about basketball and playing like you've never seen before. But then there's also this thing where he doesn't, I don't trust this team at all. Like not only from a basketball standpoint from like a mental standpoint, I don't see them being able to bounce back from that. So there's a lot going on here, but it's definitely just about the consistency of lineups. 'Cause Ethan, the last thing I'll say, you're talking about the signature wins that they've had and everything, even like the two or three that they've had, they were missing a key player. And that's a problem because like they play better when they're missing people. Like that bucks game, I think it was, was it Jimmy that was out? I remember it was like a big yo-vitch and dunking game in that Milwaukee game. And they just kind of went off in that game. So it's like they need to figure out a way to play together with their best players. - Yeah, well if Jimmy's non-committal about the playoffs, like he was about the media yesterday, they got a real problem. Thanks to Brady, thanks to Alex, we gotta drop, check out the next episode of the five guys next Tuesday, midday, and listen to us, the rest of us on five on the floor. 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