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One Voice: The Alliance For Democracy And Freedom - With Dr Teck Khong
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In fact I'm going to I'm going to say that this interview is really going to be Debbie's ward round because I feel like matron and I have been so honored for the last few occasions because I've been joined by the most amazing doctors. I've been joined by Dr. Sabine Hazan, Dr. Robin Everett, Dr. Robin Kelly, Dr. Robert Everett, Dr. Robin Kelly and today's gonna be no different because I do actually feel actually while I'm on that. Where are you nurses? Because I'm getting to speak to a lot of doctors so if you're out there nurses, especially my colleagues do get in touch because it was always the matron that ran the hospital and the consultants, well the consultants listened to matron right and today I think no more than any other time. Many of us are feeling politically homeless and many of us are feeling homeless when it comes to the fact of doctors and nurses and who can you trust and do you wish, are you sitting there wishing that the person in charge of our health system was an honest professional-learned experienced medical doctor because at the moment we've got West Streeting who as far as I'm aware doesn't have any medical professional qualifications and do you wish and I think you probably do that you could meet a kind, honest, passionate doctor in search of the truth because we've already met so many right but today I am going to give you all of your wishes in one because I'm going to introduce you to Dr. Tech Kong and he's going to get quite an introduction because he is a man with many hats and extremely experienced. So now I'm going to introduce you to Dr. Tech Kong and I mean this is everything you could ever wish for or wrapped up in one person really so let me tell you that Dr. Tech Kong is a doctor, he's a retired general practitioner, he's also a master of law, he is a police surgeon, we'll come into all of this, he's been involved in clinical commissioning groups, safeguarding, camps, children, mental health safeguarding services so he has a wealth of medical experience but not just that, he's always been very interested in politics which we'll talk about again in a minute but he stood for the general elections in 2005-2017 as an independent Brexit candidate in 2019 and now he heads the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom which is the only political party to be headed by a doctor and you know it's just amazing isn't it when you've got a doctor that's interested in politics and also has got some answers into how our health service should be run so I am over the moon welcome Dr. Tech Kong to UK column it's lovely to see you please Tech, give us a little bit of an introduction and say hello to our audience. Thank you very much Debbie for inviting me on to UK column. In answer to your question I retired as a GP after about 38 to 40 years of service and I say that roughly because I hit the bad patch of health and I took over time and but I then went into a local service for a short time so here I am I became a GP back in 1982 and I was a GP in Airsponsel Leicester which is one of the 10 poorest wards in the country midway in my career I learned about how the poor people lived and their fears their anxieties their hopes and it led me to understand that health is a very important part of our lives in fact without health there is nothing and I often wondered you know when a patient came in on waiting lists for her new repair manual worker and for every month that he's been off work not only does his personal finance suffer the national economy takes a hit the company takes a hit the country takes a hit his family takes a hit so towards the end of the 90s when the Conservative Party losses government losses powered to the Labour Party I was rather hopeful that things would become better for the working people and I said it's not worth particular bias for the working people to the prejudice of the well-off and they better heal people but it's just that if you look at life and life opportunities and we always have to look at the Lewis common denominator because the poor people who build a country contribute to the wealth of our nation and we really have to look after them as I just mentioned earlier in my production or maybe I haven't a lot of what I'm going to say today has and the back of it and something which I very much respect and pay reference to and it's called a Gaussian curve so if you look at the heights of people it goes like a bell shape so at one extreme you have very tall people and the other extreme you have very short people and then the majority of average high a site under the bow of a curve so when I looked at how people were receiving health the poorer people were at the lower end of the bell curve and not only were they less able to access health they needed a lot of advocacy and support from those who are delivering the health and I felt very privileged because here I was expecting the new government to deliver to the work we're facing all sorts of difficulties in terms of accessing timely care and quality care so fast forward into two thousand at a time when Alan Milburn was starting to introduce the concordant where the required health service was met by outsourcing to the private sector and I thought they would have improved the situation and there was a boom in the PFI's and you know those of build and fractured health and social care centers came to be but the trouble is in concert with investment there wasn't the matching flow of talent into the new spaces so we we had a difficult situation where the illusion is one of expansion and well the efficiency started dropping so I in a sample in the early 20s early 2000s asking if they could convert and the NHS referred to a private referral and I used to I remember I used to say to some of these people would say things like you know it's it's quite an expensive undertaking to go privately but they'll briefly come around to saying that look don't worry about that we'll go around to our brothers and sisters we'll we try and bind his hip operation for our mum or grandmother or whatever it is so that got me thinking and I think it was year 2002 because of my outspoken defense of how health should be delivered I was co-opted into the BMA working party on medical chambers so I wrote a paper on how integrated cash should look how seamless cash look and that paper was taken by a consultant colleague and presented at Adam Smith's Institute later that year one of my patients who happened to be the leader of the conservative group and Lester Sher County Council suggested if I was so passionate about patient care I should enter politics and I do this lady and the late Anna Pullen and you know I entered medicine to help people not to dabble in politics and she said well young man you just go and think about it and come back to me if and when you're ready so I plotted on for a while and then realized I was getting nowhere fast I mean I was the president of the BMA for Lester Sherne Rockland and no matter how much I shouted and kicked nothing changed because the legislature made those rules up asked it down the line and we have top-down decision-making and we had a working co-face where we were very important so one fine day when Anna Pullen turned up again she said well whatever you thought about politics I said well I think you could be right whereupon Anna started introducing you to various senior members of the Conservative Party I was introduced to Oliver Hill so Oliver Hill then the chair of the Select Committee on Health and I presented my ideas and just to keep things equal and fair I sent a copy of my proposals to Tony Blair which obviously had a very performatory reply but the message that I had for the party was passed to William Hague and eventually reached Andrew Lansley who was then I think 13 weeks into his shadow chancellorship of any health so what happened from that point on I was encouraged to become more and more active I was encouraged to join the concert here wasn't quite ready for politics and not even sure whether Conservative Party was was the thing I should be doing but I sadly PAB exam I was then given a non to the parliamentary candidate and I set up the policy forum for health for Andrew Lansley in 2003 I fought the first general action 2005 and on a very committed health ticket really so my my situation is this I think we need to understand that a lot of politicians without frontline experience and health cannot deliver the health service that the public means and I say that very humbly because you know with all the experience I have and all the insight I have been fortunate to receive with my long service and we need to take care of people before we can take care of our country we got to ensure that they have good health to contribute to the nation's success and economic viability and so on well it's tech honestly there's so many there's so many I've got because you've got expertise in in a very diverse area but I want to talk to you about your party I mean I've seen you campaigning I've seen the passion when you're talking to people in the streets and you know this is where we say to our audience you know get out there and talk to people and and and have your voice heard while you can which is exactly what Tech has been doing to the point that you lead your own party and and we're talking about the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom and you know it really is when you when you look at the mission message and I'll just give our viewers a little hint of what you stand for which is common sense policies which I absolutely love because I think we're devoid of common sense which is why I've thoroughly enjoyed speaking to all of you consultants because we remember common sense right we trained in common sense and we were still able to critically think your party also stands for freedom of speech I think all of our viewers will agree with that and want that freedom of association and assembly no more lock-ups well you do say lock downs but now I say lock-ups no more lock-ups we're gonna defend our own border we're not going to be involved in any kind of foreign military activity not related directly to our borders so basically we're going to mind our own business and we're going to not stick our noses in whether or not wanted we're going to be self-sufficient oh my goodness wouldn't that be lovely because we're so unsustainable at the moment but we're going to be self-sufficient in energy in food in manufacturing lovely to see that word coming back manufacturing good old-fashioned manufacturing you're going to be free to transact in whatever form of money or currency you choose fantastic and any associate of the world economic forum should be banned and those are just some of the things that you you say and its music to my ears but tell me a bit about the ADF because it was founded wasn't it back in I think it was 2019 am I right their tech yes indeed well 2020 August 19 it was registered with electrical commission in in August 2020 so it came at a bad time it was a time when we could not assemble if you remember there were limitations on numbers I'm when and where we can assemble yes the unique thing about the party is we set up my four veteran politicians and one was Mike Hookam formerly MEP initially for UKIP and then he was independent Keith Lonsdale who was a XREF then there was Paul Goldring who was the UKIP region organizer for the northwest and Ernie Warren though was one time interim leader of UKIP so what what is set out to do was basically to establish a party base not on polarized politics just center sensible as Ernie Warner put it so we we define additional categorization into left-wing or right-wing policies we do what common-sense people do we do what is necessary to set the nation on right footing and we would not be averse to criticizing any any association of our present and court of politicians with national organizations that do not act in interest of either the country or our people so we we operate a party with no whip we believe that the whip should be the people not the party line a central party line and within the broad parameters of saying that whatever we do and support is in the interest of people and of our country so I think that that's a very good start we also run groups along the lines of regional and professional autonomy so we have we initially set up proud of groups proud of British farmers proud of British fisheries and Michael come was initially looking after that because he's a whole man and as fishing background a very ardent speaker in European Union on British fisheries then I was normally heading proud of health care workers so we we have those proud of groups vocational groups but we also have proud of regional situation so we have proud of old and proud of Wakefield so what we're trying to do is to encourage people to come out for those with a fervent desire to improve where they live and where they work to come up and and exercise the political voice and we interdigitate political aspirations with vocational experience so I think we we have a very unique formula in terms of having a party with no central whip where the whip actually comes from the people and we draw on a broad experience of political members who would then take the party forward now we're very young party although it was set up by veteran politicians and and I'm cognizant of the fact that you know tribal politics is very much in dominance at the moment but we hope that in time to come with greater publicity we will get to a state where we can compete with the legacy parties in a more realistic way so I have great hopes for the future I love that I absolutely love that the fact that the people of the whip and I do think a lot of people are feeling politically homeless for anybody that's thinking where do I get hold of tech how do I get hold of the party all of the links will be in the article that will be beneath this interview and it just reminded me when you said you know wig the public of the whips it's like in in our day tech on a hospital ward and I've said this many times before but the regulator in a hospital was always the patient's visitors and family if there was a problem or if there was something not quite right they would come to us and that's how it works so so I love that but you know here we are in 2024 we're in October and we're looming up to the autumn budget and in all my years and I'm a bit of a dinosaur in all my years I don't remember a time where I have ever been so concerned about the political landscape as it is at the moment labor obviously a secure starma prime minister things are not getting better you know their old mantra of things can only get better they're not getting better they're getting a lot worse and we're looming up to the autumn budget on October the 30th tech what are your thoughts with regards going forward with this labor government that we've got all uni party perhaps as we've got at the moment I think the budget is a very vexatious problem vexatious matter because if I saw it from the late perspective we are asked to pay more and more taxes and we see less and less of it in effect coming back to ourselves for example when I was with some of my former patients they said you know I wish we were back here again we now have so many problems we can't get to see the GDP and if we do we end up seeing a nurse practitioner or whatever it is and we feel we can't discuss things properly now if we didn't spend all that money on fighting you the war in Ukraine if we spend £1,000 a day on housing illegal immigrants if we didn't you know spend all that money on the green agenda we would have a far better health service but you know we just waste taxes and I think it's a temerity of politicians to say you've got to cover more money for us to pay off for all these things and these things have no benefit to our people now in terms of getting a good health service sorry coming back to it you know I can't understand why we take the Bessel School leaders train them and develop the clinical acumen and then at the other end they come out and they have to respond to guidelines and protocols to emasculate intellectual ability what's worse is for example when I was a GP when I first became a GP the majority of my income my pay came from capitation so the better I was as a doctor the better the reputation the better my income would be bigger because I have a bigger less size towards the end it was a mere 10 to 15% of income the vast majority was made up of targets so I would get 50 pens for converting a patient who is stabilized on an expensive expensive statin for example 50 pens convert to a cheaper statin I was offered things like a two and a half thousand pounds to identify people's ethnicity and given 100 pounds for putting people on end of life care I'm sure you know all these because you've been on a government panel advising nursing care and all that so towards the end I was noticing more and more use of perverse incentives which damage professional ethos and this is one of the things my party wants to see changed and we will lobby strongly and if we do get into Parliament if any one of us get into Parliament there is one of the things we want to change the way doctors are paid doctors are trained doctors are retained and so on now in terms of the budget going back to the budget there isn't anything we can do unfortunately because we are on the outside of the legislature and they can say and do anything with impunity so if your listeners are angry about the situation they must take a stand stop being politically homeless come and join us be a voice be the people to to run and and and and bring on the future that they desire to quote company be the future that you wish to see in the world so going back to the budget thing there are so many things that the present government has let us down very badly not many weeks ago they were talking about depriving the elderly of the when the fuel allowance and then they're talking about looking at how to claw more money out of pensions and inheritance and all that sort of thing we really need a government we really need a political party on the side of the people their rewards all Lord will endeavors all hard work so that you know the less you text people the more able they are to take charge of the lives and run their lives with freedom and autonomy we don't have that situation at the moment the more you look at it with all these expensive haberian ideas the more impoverished the people become the more enslaved they are and in the back of all this we have you know but since secure was interviewed on television he preferred Davos the Westminster what's what does it tell you about a politician who is more interested in in super national non-governmental organizations than running the government to serve the people of Britain so I despair but I'm despair with the passion to serve the British people and invite them those who are still living in in despair and the doldrums to come out and join us we we need one voice for the country right again well one voice and I think actually take it's very interesting listening to you talking about the incentivization of doctors because you know when I think back when you think back to the pandemic and I say that in inverted commas how much GPs were being paid to jab people in care homes inject people I mean pushing pushing vaccinations and other drugs onto people because obviously they're being incentivized and they're being given a narrative from up above and so perhaps we could talk about if we think doctors are getting greedy but it's kind of a double-edged question because you're right when you're saying that people aren't getting GP appointments they're not many or many people are telling me that they're going to their GP their GP surgery is empty it's just empty waiting rooms and I can actually say I've experienced that too but every time I've had to make an appointment with my GP for one thing or another it's always been a nurse practitioner and yet the surgery is completely empty so when you say that we need to be looking at the pay the pay of doctors conditions what we're teaching them I totally get that but I would ask you do you think doctors have got a future same as nurses because with all of this automation AI medical devices now nurses don't seem to touch patients we're using iPads devices telemetry and all sorts of weird and wonderful tests and robots robots as well robot surgery is there going to be a need for doctors or in the era that we can see coming up with trans humans are we more likely to be needing engineers in the future and doctors won't be needed is it that doctors have become the turkeys at Christmas I think is what I'm trying to say thank you Debbie I think your fears about Christmas voting. Turkey's voting for Christmas is absolutely right. I can never see a situation where human compassion and a human judgment can be supplanted by AI I think we should be very careful about where we position AI AI should be our servant not our master. I'm taking I've talked to a few things taking the issue about vaccination that was one of the awful things I had to deal with in my professional life as I approach the end of my working life in fact now I was very active in research in my younger days I was in research registering on ontology and you know when we do research we call it clinical trials we we have something called informed consent and informed consent and that stage is normally at about phase two if not phase three phase three is when license is approved to treat people but still monitoring and that's the situation with eco with vaccine it was in phase three clinical trials regardless of whether you believe that there is the virus or vaccines are rare or whatever it is the the mechanics of running the COVID vaccine program was totally flawed and unethical because a it have the long-term safety data the there was no clear offer of alternative measures to treat and those are my colleagues in the early days would dare to speak out it was essential so there was a total loss of freedom of communication and discussion freedom of speech within the medical profession and that is a very dangerous thing so there was a lack of informed consent it was censorship on doctors who were trying to offer assistance to the patients so patient advocacy was left way outside in the cold now when we do clinical trials in phase three we do in small batches in small numbers and what we do is we tell people what's about we monitor for safety so we do what we call pharmacovigilance so we check the vital signs we monitor their liver functions renal function ECG whatever it takes monitor on a regular basis none of the the patients I had who had the vaccine were monitored in that way my own wife had nothing of an informed consent you be all right you might get a bit of itch and soreness around injection site and off she went and she had three weeks of help and towards the end of any study halfway through a trial we would keep asking people you know if there's anything on to it let us know and if it's a bad thing we'll do all the investigations stop the stop the medication and put you back on whatever it is there was nothing of the salt because when patients came back and I had a year to help people saying to my colleagues they weren't given the support they weren't given the do you care an investigation of what could go wrong I remember very clearly when I had a patient with venus trombosis of the auxiliary vein and when I heard that Lisa showed a head certification of death related to the vaccine and cerebral trombosis I wrote an email I was just out of the board the CCG board of my county and I wrote to the chairman I said look I wrote an open letter to all the colleagues GP colleagues up and down the county if you come across anything unusual in terms of trombosis let me know with anonymized data within a few minutes I had an email back from the chair and saying you do nothing of the salt we have MHRE so there was a complete shutdown there was a complete shutdown of discussion there was a censorship of people who dare mention things like hydroxychloroquine or I have a method it is not the way science progresses is not the way we treat people you should allow doctors advocacy the patient care of the patients not care of the pharmaceutical interest care of gum and it is wrong so I felt towards the end of my career there was far too much political interference in in the sanctity of professional care and that's something I think is is something that needs addressing something that the new political party at the moment looks at and I had I remember very clearly Richard Ty Singh where Dr. Bull that people in health care should have vaccine there should be some mandates and so on and to my horror you know I used to give regular talks in the pub where eventually stood as a candidate and then one evening a week before the deadline that said each of it was going to impose a note no no Jack no job and rule and where normally we're speaking to 20 at most 30 people the pub had a hundred and twenty people of physiotherapies and doctors nurses they're all clamoring for exemption at the GP's not signed so I'm afraid a lot of my colleagues have been bored a lot of my colleagues have been captured by government dogma which I think is very very sad it would take a long time for the medical profession of this country to regain the respect that it needs and deserves to treat people properly you've given me a lot to think about and I'm sure you've given our audience a lot to think about too but you know I want to take it back in a way before I come on to the patient because I want to talk about patient I just want to refer back to when you were talking about informed consent because I did similar to you I wrote to the Royal College of General Practitioners and are about informed consent and what I asked was what the ingredients and everything to do with the vaccine what they were and what the serious adverse reactions or what doctors had been told to expect with regards to serious adverse reactions and I received a letter back from dr Michael Mulholland we've put it on the UK column a number of times and he replied and said doctors can't tell you the ingredients of the vaccine because they're not told and they're also not aware because it's novel experimental they're not aware of the serious adverse reaction so therefore my argument would be that actually informed consent never existed and doesn't exist because if nobody is aware of the ingredients I mean a chef for example if they serve you up a dinner in a restaurant they have to know everything about the food that they're serving to you with regards to your allergies and your dietary needs and you know we've we've got law to hold chefs and cooks and people that are preparing food to account and yet we seem to have a situation where we've got GPs that are being incentivized to give these novel experimental injections when they've got no clue what they're giving at all so I think I'd probably say well you know what informed consent never existed and I'm very upset that doctors or that's most doctors seem to have lost the ability either to critically think or to have a moral compass that's in what I believe would be in a very much more comfortable position if they alerted patients that the solution that they were getting they actually didn't know what it was or what it was going to do to them I think that would be far more honest and then allow the patient to make the decision themselves based on those findings and you mentioned the MHRA and I have been looking as you probably know very closely at the MHRA I've attended every single MHRA board meeting and when you said that you know we're not looking after the patients we're looking after big farmer and we're looking after industry we absolutely are because the MHRA is nothing but a massive in my opinion revolving door because everybody on the board or pretty much everybody on the board has got conflicts of interest of interest with either pharmaceutical companies or innovative companies that are active and that you would think well no actually that's a revolving door and 86% of the MHRA is funded by industry so clearly they don't have the patient's best interests or the patient's safety in mind and that's what I was going to talk to you about next really because at the end of the day tech you're a doctor and I'm a nurse and I've been on a government board so I've done a little bit I've sniffed around it wasn't very pleasant the dusty corridors of Westminster and you've been involved in a political environment for many years now but let's talk about the patients let's go back to who we are and what we trained at because I'm very worried I don't know what you're thinking but I'm very worried that it appears to be that patients are being made into paranoid hypochondriacs but worried well perhaps as we would call them they don't seem to be able to think on their feet anymore and I'm worried that they're losing that they've not only lost trust of medical professionals but they've they've also become so frightened about sickness one in two get cancer you know all of these terrible diseases that nobody's ever heard of or a resurging coming back what is going on how can we reassure the public to take care of their own health but in a way that's safe because I don't see the NHS as being a very safe place at the moment what are your thoughts on that thank you Debbie and I think you are writing your anxieties the NHS is not what it used to be you'll take a lot of time and determination to change the outlook of a health system I've mentioned before there are several things in the medical profession and health care in general that are not right there are people who worship the NHS and so they should because I believe that whilst as I mentioned the Gaussian curve whilst the majority of people are reasonably well read and the top end of people are very very conscious of the good things to do the best things to do to ensure health there is the the law harm of people which depend on a reliable service so we need to ensure that top of the health delivery tree the very privileged set of doctors they need to understand they are in the profession to look after people they are there to serve the people I've no problem with doctors becoming rich through hard work to good reputation so on on the four points that I have for correcting the professional status we should have dedication we should have a profession that's dedicated to the care of the people after the day after they have dedicated themselves obviously the reputation will expand and this is all very traditional when you are a good doctor people look up to you and when your reputation expands your practice now when the government sent very tight rules and micromanage and say look we'll give you so much for doing this and so much for doing that when the vast majority of income streams come from managed incentives you have stifled competition so it doesn't matter whether you sign up with Dr. A or Dr. B they all have to earn the living and they all have to follow the standard protocol that defies clinical acumen then that defeats autonomous advocacy of the patient keep coming back to this advocacy and patience I'm in a professional look after the people and it is my bread butter would like to be left alone to look after the people the best of my ability so competition is very important now I have friends in Malaysia friends in Australia friends in Canada and they have a very healthy system of coexistence between people choosing going to the state system and the private system and I mean Australia operates a very very successful cross referral system but as long as we have the fourth component sound regulation then we can be assured that whatever people choose their interest is looked after so I would say DRCR we have dedication to build a reputation and to ensure that the standards are kept there should be competition and then finally there should be sensible regulation regulation that that is essential not the regulation that sensuous people from doing best for the patient so I have colleagues I mean there's David Cartland there is Sam White people who stood up and say this is not the right way to manage Covid they had struck off it is beyond belief it's breathtaking the censorship is happening regulation should be about not just protecting the patients but also ensuring that there is professional excellence but most of all the protection should never be fall outside interest I mean look at this Covid-19 situation the companies that make that the manufacturers that make the vaccines are given indemnity by the government so if there's anything wrong and there's a very high level of proof required it's the taxpayers that pay for the taxpayers damage when the manufacturers should be held accountable for anything that's gone wrong with a product not the government not the people not the government using the people money to pay the people it should be the manufacturers but we have such a top-sea situation at the moment it really defines common sense and belief well I'm very proud that my my colleagues in Alliance for Democracy Freedom understand this imperative and fully supportive of my of my commitment to ensure that we going forward we have a health system that looks after the people politics is observing the people not serving the government you know the government forgets we the taxpayers pay their salaries pay their money we should have them service and this is why I keep reminding those people are political homeless we have a party here that believes the whip comes from the people not the party politics that's very very important but I also want to just head you off in a slightly different direction although similar but as a GP tech obviously you have got an interest in primary care and secondary care because you're the bridge right so you're the shop window for us to access if we need any form of hospital treatment and always surprises me when people go on about old patients are blocking you know bed blocking and we can't get them out of hospital because nobody wants to be in hospital it makes out that people are wanting to be in hospital and that they're happy to stay in hospital for weeks and weeks they're not they don't want to be in hospital that's the last place they want to be but we've also got you know this Lord Darcy report that came out and said that the NHS was falling apart basically which we knew anyway we didn't really need Lord Darcy to do to to say that to us because we knew that but that was an NHS report on the state of the NHS no mention in it really of social care and of course when people say oh you know beds are being blocked and people are stuck in hospital a lot of the time is because we're not we haven't got anywhere for these people to go to because we don't have a package of social care so I think sometimes we separate the NHS and social care whereas we should actually put them together and remember that you can't have one without the other and in social care I can see that you know we're getting patients almost being blamed for being in hospital and then how are we going to get them out of hospital well if we can't get them out of hospital one way perhaps they never leave hospital or they leave hospital from what we call the ground or the lower ground floor because they've died so what is the future what would you change about the NHS what would be your first thing that you would do to change the NHS for the in the betterment but for patients for us I think it's very important to recognize that there is a lot of passing the buck in the NHS so when I was welcoming in in casualty I saw a system where there was a lot of delay you know you get people coming to the window declaring what they have wrong and then they get triaged by a nurse and then going to see either a physician associate or whatever it is and then he goes on to a doctor a junior doctor and then goes to a slightly more senior doctor and if the problem doesn't get resolved he goes to the most senior doctor now when I was on the CCG board and there were a few of us who suggested that really the senior decision makers should be right at the front and say look mr. so and so your problem must come in straight away and we'll do this then the other four you miss so and so your problem is not important you should go back to your GP instead of clustering this please up and your GP the GP should not keep sending people away to casualty this is the problem you know they follow the guidelines they look at this the financial situation this patient is going to be a problem to me if if there's anything wrong I'll be castigated off you go to casualty that is not the situation they should have a sense of responsibility and accountability so we need senior decision makers making the decision in a timely fashion so that patients are so right away and similarly when you have patients on the wards there is so much delay when my wife was in the hospital for example we wait a day before the consultant came around and say right you can go home now why I hacked it did not happen a few days earlier when there was when she was lying in the bed doing nothing so bed blocking has nothing to do with the patient it is to do with clinical decision-making so the more senior decision-makers are involved the more clear cut and more dynamic the team is and better it is for the patients I think it's it's it's it's a part of state of affairs where you know people say oh it's my shift finishing I better clock up I have colleagues who say we've been on taking too many difficult cases because they will take me over the clockout time medicine I'm sure in your profession in your line of work in nurses people work hard and they don't clock clock out as the way some people do nowadays they would take cases where you know it's it's avoiding trouble is this avoiding trouble culture and doing what what is safe under the big umbrella it doesn't help the patients at all and it ultimately damages the profession because you are not serving the people you're serving your own interests by saying I'll get my money I'll minimize the risk to myself and then I should be all right and I'll close gently to retirement and that's it we have become so emasculated as profession you know the adding chance used to be the paragon of excellence the world says they should have and now they have shied away looking at how badly run it is yeah they certainly I mean honestly tech you're you're singing we're singing from the same him she and I could sit here and talk to you for hours about how things were done in my day and how we looked after patients and what the NHS was all about and you know I'm thinking actually after having spoken to all of our experts just recently many retired consultants such as yourself and I'm thinking is it time for us dinosaurs to return to be able to tell the youngsters what the NHS actually used to be like because I think they don't realize what it used to be like and they're going along with whatever narrative because the training has been so I mean with with nurses project 2000 I think was the kiss of death for sure and I know now that we're seeing physician associates when we don't know who we're seeing basically in the NHS anymore and I'm thinking is it time for the likes of you and me and Dr. Robin Kelly and Dr. Robert Everett to come back and tell people the youngsters what the NHS was like that it's a vocation that the patient does come first that it's do no harm all of those things that we were trained to do is it time that we've all got to come back and and before I hand across to you to answer that I just want to reiterate I am hearing from a lot of doctors however apart from the few nurses that I've managed to interview over the last couple of years I'm not hearing from many nurses so if there are any nurses I hope that tech has inspired you to speak up because perhaps we need to organize a group or something where we tell the youngsters how things are really done in the NHS what do you think I could agree more couldn't agree more Debbie we might be dying a source but I think there is no substitute for years of experience and for those of us who are curious about what makes things tick the insight is invaluable you can't put a value to it so humbly say that and the likes of you and I do have a place do have a role to play in our health system going forward the trouble with the young generation is unfortunately subjected to a culture of deference to political rights we need to reset the dynamics of the profession versus the girls set against the government we should have the that degree of autonomy to decide what we need to do best for our patients as far as nurses concerned I have counsel and nurse who was in trouble for standing up for patients who did not want to call the vaccine we need to get rid of censorship a lot of people you know whether the doctors and nurses unfortunately it then rocked the boat it then put a head above the parapet because you have mortgages to pay on a table and that's other thing we need a body of people an organization like the Alliance of Freedom where clearly and be defended I think we need to protect freedom of speech freedom association and encourage debate because that's the only way we can progress in advance ourselves as a vibrant society oh that lovely word debate because at the end of the day tech sciences fluid and everything's a theory because it moves all the time and if we're not being allowed to debate and we're not being allowed to challenge then we're under tyrannical rule for sure I'm keeping my eye on the clock and before I come to you for your final comments before your last word I just want to ask you because I know it's something close to your heart I want to ask you about D-dimer's the D-dimer test and I also want to ask you quickly to about children because I heard you say something very interesting about informed consent with regards to children so perhaps we'll take that first the informed consent and children because you were talking about the Gillick principle which many people may have heard of is to do with whether children can receive contraception without parental permission and it goes back to Victoria Gillick but clearly when it came to the vaccinations when we were talking about a novel untested untriled MRNA often injection what is your thoughts regard to when people say oh no children can make up their own minds they've got their own opinions they can give permission to have these injections without any parents being involved because we're seeing a lot of cases at the moment where parents are especially parents of learning disabled down syndrome children that are vulnerable they're being still as we speak four years down the line they're being pushed into letting their children make their own decision or that someone else is making the decision in their best interests what are your views on that because I know they're going to be a lot of parents and grandparents watching right now and the job is still being rolled out to children on Gillick if you remember Victoria Gillick's situation has to do with contraception now there isn't a very high level of science required to understand and conception happens without contraception so if somebody understands if a teenager understands that if you don't take protective measures there is a risk sorry a female young person doesn't take the protective measures then they're going to get pregnant so that is a very simple concept you cannot apply the Gillick principle based on very fundamental reproductive knowledge to something that requires molecular medicine understanding molecular medicine and how immunology works so I if the government should be on the side people and say look we had the all the data by the manufacturers all the data and we've collated information seeing that the risks are certain such the benefits are certain such then we will have informed consent and I don't think that level of understanding which distills into informed consent can be left to the teenager to decide again the Gaussian curve there might be a few very talented teenagers who understand science but the vast majority under the Gaussian bell will probably take whatever message or information is given by the government so I think the government has the responsibility to ensure the safety and health of our youngsters going forward Gillick in COVID vaccine my simple answer is no did I'm a great interesting I was on Radio Mansfield explaining about a young 27 year old who had injection and 24 hours later came to the surgery she was fitting well she goes to the gym three times a week young profession 27 year old young lady and she had an auxiliary vein trombosis now as a nurse you know most unfinished trombosis happened in older people people stasis and all sorts of problems and it usually happens in legs not in the arm and I did a d-dimer it was a Friday evening so I didn't need I'm a and I left the message that my colleagues should be contacted whatever the results is the results came back my colleagues thought hang on a second why did tank do this on a school in our music but the d-dimer was was elevated nearly six times above normal accounting for age and he thought well whatever it is I better send him to send her to casualty so she went to casualty and she was then given anti coagulation they couldn't find using out the sound where the the clock was but you know the trombosis wasn't on the main vein it was micro trombosis and this is the nature of the problem but none of the colleagues were talking about it because if you remember there was blanket censorship on discussion blanket censorship on on anything that my reduce vaccine uptake thankfully and hopefully this this patient recovered and we heard nothing more anti coagulation was stopped after a few days as the arm settled out but there are people less fortunate now I got letters asking why was I doing more d-dimer the normal and why was I checking a drop on ends and I remember working casualty I was just coming on to my shift when a nurse said though I was going to this charges 15 year old who was brought by a mum after playing football for poultry with chest pain shortness of breath and a totally healthy boy never had a history of asthma full fully athletic and I said look what was the history says well mum thinks he had COVID and had a COVID jab a few few weeks ago I said well we better do some trucking in and sit the mum outside of the child and you see what happens it was out came back 45 minutes later 10 times of earth normal 10 times of earth norm so this boy developed myocarditis the nurse said you know I'm so lucky I had this and tested them because the other colleagues didn't think about it he was going to be discharged as a case of musculistically to pay the provider to return if things didn't get better so I said look don't bother calling the registrar for upstairs to send the child across to the cardiac center myocarditis 15 year old I wrote in the daily Express why are they doing this why did Jonathan Van Tam say is he's commencing clinical trials in our children for goodness see so I would encourage I would encourage my colleagues who are continuing who I in practice I retired now to do all these tests according to the clinical instincts and serve the patient not the government not the farmers tech what you've said there is I think incredibly helpful and I hope you as a nurse will follow particularly those last two comments but D Dymers and also about the Gillick principle for parents and grandparents who want some clarification on that I hope you'll find that helpful regarding the D Dimer test I just want to for people that I said D Dimer and I suddenly thought oh I should have explained what a D Dimer is so a D Dimer test is a test where you can detect micro clots little tiny clots that you wouldn't perhaps the patient is even unaware of themselves often unaware of themselves and everything's a bit of a mystery unless you have this test called a D Dimer you won't necessarily find out but what I'm finding out from more and more people including one of my very own neighbors who I only spoke to yesterday in that they've been poorly for a very long time and now they're starting to realize that it was probably the injection that has made them very ill and I suggested that they ask their doctor for a D Dimer they've been refused three times now the doctor said you don't need one I'm not doing one and I've heard that from a lot of patients so there is that worry that concern so when you said to my colleagues please do the tests my message would be exactly the same if a patient is coming into you please believe them because that's what I'm hearing more from so many people is that the doctor doesn't believe us the doctor says it's in our head the doctor won't give us the tests that we're asking for and yet is asking us to take tests that we don't need so everything's back to front and tech I'm looking at the clock and I'm just so grateful for all that you're doing but before we throw to your last word is there anything I mean I know there's a million topics we could talk about but is there anything in particular that you would like to bring up today that that I've already for probably forgotten or I've just gone across because there's so much going on in my head is there anything else you would like to bring up I want to assure the public that you know was I'm hoping to retire even from politics I'm still working very hard trying to get small independent parties and candidates independent candidates to be on a platform of solidarity if nothing there there will be greater the greater the numbers the greater the strength and if we are on the solid platform of solidarity we are better enabled to serve the people and the interests of our country but first and foremost if you wish to take an interest in politics do not hold back come and talk to us I'm on Twitter as ad doctor tech call join the party and there is discount discounted period at the moment and we would like to hear what you want to say what you want to do how you want to create your support base in your locality and we do everything to support you I think it's time the public a good people in this country take back control on Alan politicians people who are listening to super national NGOs right into the people in this country we need Britain to be great again come and join us in the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom I love that and I would say exactly the same you know if you if you're enjoying what tech is saying and you want to support him the links will be in the 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Tech Kong I want to thank you so much for all you are doing because it's a huge amount and I do think that the more experienced of us maybe the more mature of us that have experience of the NHS really ought to get together and start to teach the youngsters what they might be missing but on on that note I'm gonna hand to you for your last word with grateful thanks and gratitude from UK column thank you dr. Tech Kong is over to you thank you very much Debbie thank you Debbie I think going forward we we should not despair we should hold on to our hopes and let's work together for the good of our country for the good of our family and to all of you I wish you every success Chevy has the SUVs you know and love and now there's one more the first ever all electric blazer EV with the latest tech incredible range and easy charging this head-turning electric vehicle is motor trends 2024 SUV of the year when you're ready to go EV Chevy's got you get all the exciting details on the 2024 Chevy blazer EV at your Colorado Chevy dealer today and learn more about EV tax credits and take advantage of current offers going on now
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