Ken Meyer and Gene Hartigan discuss politics, the assassination attempt on Trump, Biden being forced out of the presidential race, projecting who will win the presidential election, comparing each candidates' policies, Gene's charity and organization work in MA & Africa, his experiences during & after the Vietnam War, & much more.
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City Talk with Ken Meyer (Eugene Hartigan)
The following commentary does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff and management of WBCA or the Boston Neighborhood Network. If you would like to express another opinion, you can address your comments to Boston Neighborhood Network, 302-5 Washington Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02119. To arrange a time for your own commentary, you can call WBCA at 617-708-3215 or email radio@bnnmedia.org. WBCA radio is proud to present City Talk, where fascinating conversation is alive and well, with your host, Boston radio veteran Ken Meyer. Well, if you ever want to know anything politically about what's going on in Boston, one person to talk to is Gene Hardigan. And Gene, I know you're on a busy schedule and I appreciate your taking time to do this, but let's go back to the July 13th weekend of this year when the unthinkable occurred with Donald Trump. Where were you? You were in a golfer union, as I recall. Well, when you say the unthinkable, which thing? Everything. The attempted assassination, the business with the Secret Service, everything. Well, you know, I heard a rumor that when questioned about the attempted assassination, his wife said, "Do I have to pay? I mean, missed." But maybe that's not true, so you know, it's I think anybody who takes the law into their own hands, whether it's Donald Trump, who I'm not a fan of or anybody else in this country, the law protects and provides you, I think, obviously the Secret Service and the local authorities didn't do a very good job coordinating. I don't know what happened. I still don't know. I don't think it was a conspiracy. I think it was just a careless comedy of errors that led to that situation and it was a very serious matter and they need to get direct together to protect anyone who was a candidate running anywhere. Joe Biden, talk about him and his decision to drop out. Well, I think it's pretty obvious Joe Biden was forced out and he was forced out because his numbers were horrible and the Democratic leadership and so many others across the party said, "You know, if this guy's at the top of our ticket, we're going to lose the Senate, we'll lose the White House and maybe even lose the House." So I think some serious people sat down with Joe and said, "Joe, perception is far greater than the truth. You may be in total control of your faculties. You may be on top of the issues. Your team in the administration may know exactly what's going on, but the perception is you're not, you're not in control." And perception leads to people making decisions and those decisions were very simple that he was going to lose the race in my opinion and Harris, I'm sure, played a role, had a lot of people talk to him and now she's the candidate. I think she made a pretty good move in how she did it and how the party did it. I don't think she's the best candidate that the Democrats could offer, but then again, if you look at the candidacy that's being off on the other side, this race comes down to what I think will be a Harris win and the reason it'll be a Harris win is that they hate Donald Trump or fear Donald Trump more than they like Kamala Harris. And I think she's lucky she's running against someone who has shown himself to be off the wall and talking about Arnold Palmer's genitalia and it's just beyond crazy. You can't make this stuff up. So I think the end run will be, and the latest stuff that's come out again about him talking about wanting to have generals that are loyal to him like Hitler had, this guy I've said this for over a year can, I said, "The reason this guy will lose is because he can't keep his mouth shut." If he kept his mouth shut, he would have won the selection hands down, but he's alienated a lot of people, he's proven to a lot of people that he doesn't seem to be in touch with what's going on and he rambles on against the wishes of the team around him who asked him not to do anything except stay on message and stay on the script. And what does he do, he gets out there, spends five minutes on the message and then rambles on and calling her vulgar words. I don't understand why. I refer to him as a three-year-old who's out of control, I don't know. I was a registered Republican, I'm now a registered independent. I've never voted for Donald Trump, I can't vote for Donald Trump. I have a wife, two daughters and a granddaughter and he has shown me that he has no respect for women and his running mate, who I refer to as the block of wood, he's condescending to women and he's got a beautiful wife, a very bright wife and I don't understand why he always says what he says about women. But I think the issue that is going to carry the day, whatever undecided vote that's out there and I don't think this much at this point. But let's say right now it's five percent, four or five percent, it's most likely those of women, 28 to 45, there is nothing about the Trump team that has appeal to women unless they're locked in a closet and not reading any of the papers or watching television because there's nothing about his campaign that is supportive of women and the most obvious one is his bragging about overturning Roe vs. Wade. That's near and dear to every woman that I've talked to. Even those who are pro-life indicated to me that no one has the right to dictate what a woman does with her body and I agree with that process, no matter how bad you may think it is and I'm not a supporter of abortion but it's a right that was there and there are cases where it was a necessary evil and there are cases where women just made a choice early on in their pregnancy. And so for that reason I don't think those women who are left who are undecided are going to be supporting Donald Trump. But yet I keep hearing how close the polls are and so and so may be leading by one point or two points and A, I can't figure that out and B, I can't figure out why people will want to vote for a man who was a convicted felon, a man who has been shown to have affairs with other women and this is before the election, I don't understand it. I mean this is a mystery to a lot of people, I guess there are, you know I liked when he ran and won, I liked the policies he was projecting, I thought there was a need to build a bed of water, I thought there was a need to have law and order but now what he's talking about suggests that just the opposite when it comes to law and order, obviously the events that took place on January 6 were disturbing and shocking and he did nothing to try to stop that until it was too late. And I don't understand, I can't figure it out but I think there are people that percentage of people who are Trump supporters really think that he'll change things, he'll make the economy better, the price of bacon will come down, the price of gasoline will come down but and again like I said before, this is not about liking Kamala Harris, this is about disliking Donald Trump and there are a lot of people out there who dislike what's happened under Joe Biden who see Kamala Harris as an extension of Joe Biden, to some extent it's true, the only thing is that a vice president sits in the background and does very little, does not determine policy, contributes to the discussion but if you listen to some of the people who are around the president, they have been trying to do things in the Middle East but you're dealing with a terrorist organization. It's hard to sit at the table with a terrorist organization whose only goal is to destroy the state of Israel or to keep mayhem out front so they can get the support of those from North Korea or Iran or any other country that will step in and help them to be disruptive. So it's whose ox is being gored but in the case of Joe Biden, he's had some very bad missteps and they see her as a continuation of that though I don't think she's going to be a follower of Joe Biden's policies. I think she'll enact her own stuff. She'll make decisions, some which I'll like, some which I won't but this again, it's about Donald J. Trump and who comes out to vote and if people are nervous enough about him getting back into office then they'll hold their nose and vote on the other side or not vote and that's very interesting. I do look at the data daily and I've confounded daily by what I see sometimes but I do think that overall I think when all is said and done, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada will go for Harris and I think the deciding factor will be that the state city won last time, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, those people now see a different Donald Trump than they saw before and he's a disruptive individual and I think they're going to look at him and say I just can't vote for this guy, I don't trust him, I don't trust him and we'll see where that takes them. The polls don't seem to indicate though that every time I turn on the news they talk about what a close race it is. Well, yeah, I mean again, are they undercounting, are they overcounting, are they shading, what are the questions look like, what makes a poll is what's being asked and having worked in politics a long time and looking at polling data, there are push questions that help define what the outcome is of a poll and it depends on how they're writing it and if it's being done by a Democratic pollster or a Republican pollster, there are push questions in there that sometimes can be supportive of their party candidate, so it's really hard to tell but if you look at the numbers right now, it suggests she holds a slight lead up in the northern states, Pennsylvania is a dead heat, Nevada, she's up I think by one, she's down in Arizona and down in North Carolina, it's a toss up and Georgia is very close, so whoever makes the last mistake in this race is going to lose. In your experience, how accurate have polls been in previous elections? Well, I remember back in when George Bush won, I picked him to win, I also picked where the House and Senate would be and I think they were enough, they were enough for indicators of it, you've got to look at the indicators and look at the candidates and see what did they do before, what are they doing now, what's the negative, what's the swing vote, is somebody at 50% two weeks before the election is somebody tied at 47 before the election, and you got to look who's turning out, but traditionally, Republicans like to turn out an election day, Democrats like to mail the ballot in. I don't think those norms hold up anymore, I think it's such a mixed bag of who's voting, I think early voting has become a pretty common place and so I think the polls can be accurate but here's the contradiction, if you ask people what's driving them and number one is the economy and then after that two places down is abortion, so you think, well, if it's the economy as Bill Clinton would say it's the economy's stupid, then the people going to vote Republican, but every time he says something that alienates certain voters, it causes them to rethink and say, am I better off with someone who brings some sense of normalcy to this country or do I roll the dice and vote for a guy who I like his policies, but he looks like he's a little off the edge, that's, there are a lot of people, I have very close friends who are very bright people and they're trumpers and she says, well, at least we'll have a little discussion she'll say, well, at least, you know, I'm not attacking you, I said I'm not attacking you, said you're attacking me because I'm voting for Trump, I said, no, you're just misled, that's all, I said, I'm not attacking you, I love you dearly, but it's, they are clean, they are clinging to the thought that he will turn this economy around with his programs, but he's never defined his programs, he just talks a lot and says, we're going to have the best this, we'll have the best in the history of the United States, we'll have the best this and that, well, you know, that doesn't tell me anything, so tell me what it is you're going to do and he doesn't, so, yeah, that's, that's a problem. Well, number one, I was surprised that the whole system, especially after January 6th, I would think that then and there that would have disqualified him and I'm surprised that it didn't and it still continues to show him further ahead than I ever thought he would be because of the fact that and you've got people that were that were murdered in January that on an event that occurred and had, and should never, ever have happened in our lifetime. Well, I just think you've got so much frustration out there and, and, and people don't know what to believe you have, you have folks, you know, getting on the television, talking about, you know, people in Ohio eating cats and dogs, you know, and swearing it happened and then coming back and say, well, no, I made it up. Well, this is the guy who's running for vice president, I made it up, but you know, and what did it do? Turn the town of Springfield out in the Midwest upside down and, and people were being injured and, and assaulted because they were legal immigrants. They were people in the town who had jobs, who owned homes, who were paying taxes. And because of these asinine comments of, of the vice presidential nominee and the Republican side, those people suffered and the mayor came out and said, you know, this is not happening. We checked it out. It's not happening, you know, it's just it, we've, we've struck a new low in politics. Just like the other day, someone out in Sterling was lighting someone's state rep signs on fire. What, you know, what the heck? We've got to get back to some sensibility in this country. Over an election was over. It was that it was over, he had a winner and a loser, and the loser went away, maybe fought another day, but for that election, it's over and you get on with the, the business of governing. And we're, we're, we're in a strange place right now, very strange, very strange. Is politics still fun for you? No, no, it's not fun. I have one sign of my lawn or my good friend, Congressman Stephen Lynch. Oh, yeah. Who represents my district and he has always been true to what he stands for. He has helped people, he's actually helped family members on issues that were government related fairness issues, and, and I have great respect for him, but I would never put a Harris or Trump sign of my lawn, fearing that people would destroy my property or injure somebody in my family and, and not knowing who was who, but it's just not worth doing. And, and some of the arguments people get in, some of the, the fights people get in. It's not worth it, and that's not who we are as a nation. And, and that has to change. We have to get back to a sensible group of people. We have to get back to people in Congress and the Senate on both extremes, extreme left and extreme right, who stand up and, and voice their convictions and not back down because they're afraid that someone is going to contact everyone in the district to vote against them. You know, that's not how we became a nation. That's not how we became great by people fearing a challenge. You've got to step up to the challenge and, and if you lose, well, then you lose. But you, you know, I always told my daughters and you know them both. I always told them, you know, you, you, you can't give away your integrity. I mean, you people can't take away your integrity, you have to give it away. And so if, if you allow your self respect in your integrity to be compromised, shame on you, you know, you've got to stand up for what you believe in. Sometimes that's not easy. Sometimes it may cost you, but that's what makes this country great. The right and the ability to stand your ground and speak your, your voice for what you believe it. You know, it's funny when I got up this morning, I was thinking about the previous election with Trump and the differences and, and what's happening now. And it's fair. It was very sad. Yeah. And, and, you know, he ran against the flawed candidate then in Hillary Clinton. And I remember being on the air with your buddy Dan Ray and it was on the Thursday night before the election. We were doing a round table discussion on the air and I said, Donald Trump's going to win and they all started chuckling. And I said, look it. I said, this is Thursday before the election and where is Hillary Clinton? She was in Michigan. She was in Wisconsin and on election eve, she's going to be in Philadelphia. Those are areas that she shouldn't have been in and Donald Trump is going to win those three states, which he did and to put them over the top. This time around, what makes it different is that Wisconsin and Michigan are dealing with other issues. Women's issues are at risk, Roe v. Wade has been thrown out by the three judges that Donald Trump brags about and in Philadelphia, they're driving black vote to get it out and some of the moderate Democratic vote in Pittsburgh. So it's a, it's a different day, a different scenario on who's running, what they're running about and how they're going to change things or not change things. So it's so much that has happened January 6th, the convictions in New York, the assault conviction in New York, the tampering in Georgia and people can say, oh, no, he was, he was just calling the secretary of state looking for, no, he was trying to get 11,000 votes. He was trying to win Georgia after he had lost it. That's tampering. So those things have all happened and still, he holds on to his base because they don't like Kamala Harris and it's going to be down to the lesser of two evils, whether she wins or doesn't win. What would you advise Trump right now if you were one of his advisors? Well, probably all the things they're already telling him that is stop, stop talking, stop talking, stop being nasty toward your opponent. Stop making references to Adolf Hitler and dictators and Vladimir Putin and, but he won't. So it's not going to matter. He won't do that. He is who he is. He's an out of control speeding train. I don't think he's going to take their advice. They've been telling him to stop for months and he keeps doing it and he thinks that's how he's going to win. He really believes that. It's just an unbelievable signal. Just out of curiosity, did you watch the events of January 6th? No, actually, yeah, many times. I mean, when it was happening live, I watched it live. I watched it many times over after that, you know, it's the people's house. It's like when Bill Clinton did what he did with his aide, Monica Lewinsky. That's the people's White House. It's not his office. Not his office to desecrate. I'm no prude, but what he did was unconscionable, what he did as a president was wrong and what happened that day on January 6th was wrong and no two ways about it. A lot of people have gone to jail, but here's another case. Donald Trump has said, when I'm president, I'm going to pardon all these people. You're going to pardon them? You know, it's a very strange time and I still think that when push comes to shove enough people are going to be smart enough to vote against Donald Trump. I hope you're right. But let me just let me update you a little bit on what we're doing in Africa because that's a very positive thing, Ken. Oh, absolutely. I was going to get to that eventually. Really? Yeah, I know. Yeah. I know you. So AframedNetwork.org, A-F-R-I-Med, M-E-D Network.org, has been operating in the Ivory Coast, known by its French name, Côte d'Ivoire, in West Africa, sitting next to Ghana, a little larger country. But we've been working to develop programs that bring basic medical care, health care to the outlying villages where they don't see a doctor or have a doctor. Now, that's not to say that the Ivory Coast is a little outpost in Africa that is struggling. No, if you look at any of the stories, the Ivory Coast is a growing nation with a growing economy. Their capital city or their business capital, Abijan, is well populated and always bustling. And the country itself is the largest producer of cocoa in the world. It's one of the top three producers of coffee in the world, the largest agricultural farmer of cashew nuts in the world, and very high in top 10 on rubber production. And it's serviced by 13 major airlines from around the world. Great restaurants, a lot of new hotels. The French have been there a long time and pushed it through to where it is today that made a difference. And so it's struggling. And so it's a great place in Afro-Med is helping in the areas that don't get attention. Just like in this country, parts of Appalachia, parts of the Panhandle, there are a number of Americans who still need support and help here. And so that's what we're doing. We're bringing something to an area that no one knows about. And a lot of people think of Africa as one nation. But it's 53 nations of all types of stripes. And Cody was one of the top nations in West Africa economically. And we've been there for six years. We're a 501(c)(3) recognized by the United States government, the U.S. Treasury, and a registered charity here in Massachusetts. And beside that, we have been, for the last two years, a recognized medical NGO by the Ivorian government. So we operate with a lot of support. And starting in January, we will qualify for financial assistance from the Ivorian government. So we've made great strides. We have a man on the ground there who was Ivorian-born, U.S. citizen, Raymond Coffey. And he's doing a hell of a job. It's a slog. It's not easy. Raising money post-pandemic is very difficult. We are always out begging, looking for money to support what we do. None of us take salaries in six years. It all goes into the program. And we're trying to make a difference, three Vietnam veterans, we started this six years ago. And we just feel good about what we're doing. And it's aframednetwork.org, A-F-R-I-M-E-D Network.org. Now, a guy that we both know, love and respect, how's Rod Fritz doing these days? Rod Fritz is my PR guy and one of my partners on the A-F-R-I-M-E-D Network. He's doing very well because he has that golden voice, radio, and he's been everywhere. He's been all over the country, worked for Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal Report, Fox, CBS, ABC, you name it, news record, RKO, and MJX, an anchor at BZ, an anchor at E-E-I. And all this time, he's not in the Hall of Fame, not in the Massachusetts Hall of Fame. And who knows, maybe it's politics, but nobody deserves more than him to be in there. And I'll tell you that just recently, and I sent it along to you, there was an online golf site called GolfSpy. And one of the people we played golf with, who always gets a kick out of Rod and I and we're together. So he wrote a story about us and ran it in GolfSpy. And people wrote in and said it was the best story about golfing they've ever read. So you get out there and have a good time. And now I also sent to you a copy of the book called Red Dirt 2. And Red Dirt 2 is a compilation of remembrances by Vietnam veterans on what they did and what they experienced in Vietnam. And Red Dirt 1 and Red Dirt 2 has a submission by Rod Fritz and Red Dirt 2 has my submission in it as well. So it was fun to do it. It's important that future generations get to read about that first hand. Not everyone was blood and guts. But everyone was in the trenches, people did other jobs all over Vietnam. And I'm one of those as was Rod. Rod was flying over the countryside, dropping leaflets and doing psychological operations. I was out in a base camp doing working in engineer companies. And I was a company clerk. So I was a machine gunner, I was a convoy sergeant at times. So you did a little bit of everything because that's what it's all about when you're in a war zone. And you know, I always tell people I came home with all my fingers, all my toes and half my mind. And that's not a bad deal. Yeah. And there were a lot of people that didn't like people that went over to Vietnam. Well, yeah, I mean, when I got off the plane coming home in Oakland, I was so happy to be back home and get down and kiss the tarmac on the other side of the fence were a whole bunch of people spitting through the fence, calling us names. And I said, where have I been for the last year and a half? I mean, what did I miss here? Because when we were in Vietnam, armed forces radio didn't feed you that they had to keep him morale up. So you didn't listen to that. I did get newspapers sent from home and I did realize there were people protesting. But it was weird because when I got home, you know, I saw some of the news that everybody else was watching and my mother said to me, are you on drugs? And I said, on drugs, I said, well, yeah, I see all these stories. And did you kill any babies? I said, ma, what are you talking about? No, but no one liked us when we came home from Vietnam. We were in the war that we didn't win. And so, you know, people just didn't like us. So most Vietnam veterans, I know, and I have a lot of friends who are. We just went about our business, got a job, went to school, eventually got married, some of us had children and didn't talk about Vietnam. But as time went by and we'd be in airports or settings where we would see Desert Storm or Afghanistan veterans or whatever, we would go out of our way to thank them for what they do. And I thought, and many of my friends thought that was very important. Same with police and fire because these are people who are out on the front line daily and who are being attacked or caught off guard sometimes and their life is taken. I wouldn't do those jobs as a fireman or policeman for all the money in the world. And I would, if I was called upon, I'd grab an M16, which I can still feel stripped with my eyes closed. And I'd go back and fight for my country, I'd defend my border. And we have to show respect for those who courageous enough and respect for all of those people who went and didn't come back. And so I'm a vice commander at my VFW post, which I didn't join until two years ago. When I was out this past year, Memorial Day, and sold over 300 copies, and those monies go to help veteran services, and next year, I'll be out there and I hope to double that. And it's our country, it's our flag. It's to one of those who come before us and made the ultimate sacrifice. Both Rod Fritz and I have been to Washington and were invited on the 20th and 30th anniversary of the Vietnam War and the Vietnam Wall and red names on a Friday night at 10 o'clock in 10, 15 of those who had fallen, and it was a very proud moment for both of us. And I'm sure well, certainly well deserved and knowing both of you now. Still watch the news every night. Do I still what? Watch the news every night. Yeah I do, I do. Yeah, I switch around, I watch network news, I watch CNN, a little bit of Fox. I watch MSNBC, I watch BBC, Israel 24, and France 24. So I try to get a sense, and the South China Morning Post, because you know I still do a lot of work in China. So I try to get a global view of perspective over and above just an American perspective. What do you think of the news coverage these days? Well, I'm not happy with ABC who repeats everything, it violates every rule of news, courting, you know, the editor writes a lead in, and then you show the sound, and you read into the sound or write into the sound, and they repeat, repeat, repeat. It's biased toward Donald Trump, but he's his own worst enemy. So every time he opens his mouth, it's news, and they report it. And keep in mind that for years, eight years, he's been calling news people everything in the book, and calling it fake news and lies, et cetera. So don't expect them to be supportive of you, because they know how to hold the grudge. And remember they used to say, Kenny, don't pick a fight with a guy who has reams of paper and a barrel of ink. You know, that's funny, because, I mean, I watch, myself, I watch ABC, I happen to, I happen to like David Mueller. But I always wonder if Trump's got some sort of hook in or lead in with Fox News, because he makes so many appearances on that network. Well, with the exception of one or two people, the four o'clock anchor in the afternoon, who I really like on Fox, he's very good, and I find him very fair. But you know, they're entertainers, just like many of the people on MSNBC and CNN, they have a bias and they entertain because they have played to their audience. So there are very few out there that I think are right down the middle. But, you know, I try to go around and listen to all of them and read between the lines. One person who I think is excellent when it comes to dealing with politics, he's head and shoulders above everyone else, and that's John King on CNN. He is, he's amazing. He really does his homework, and for that reason, I watch CNN for election coverage. I think he does a great job. Well, on that note, I know this is a rough time as far as scheduling for you is concerned, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your doing what you've just done. Your friendship is something that I would always hold in high standard, and also thank you for your service as far as Vietnam and other efforts that you put forth. And I'm sure you know that if there is ever anything I can do in any small way, what I got to do is ask. Ken, your friendship means more to me than anything else. You and your lovely wife, I'm glad you're doing well. We have many, many great stories between us that have made us laugh, and that camaraderie that existed on radio when we work together was priceless. We can never repeat that. It's just the best. Absolutely. And it's just, it was a great time, and it's great to reminisce about those things too. Absolutely. It's just just great hearing your voice and knowing that you're still around and helping our country somehow. Well, you know, you have to be positive. I always tell everyone, you know, instead of wasting your time getting all upset about this, that and the other thing, all you're doing is expending energy that could go to a positive way, and you know, I think everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath on both extremes on the left and the right, and understand what we have, and be a role model for their kids, be a role model for that generation that's coming up that needs direction. I always joke about, you know, sometimes what some of these kids need is not another phone or computer. They might just need a little slap in the back of a head and say, "Hey, listen up, what's going on?" And you know, I always say to my kids, "Again, I don't care if everyone in this school is doing it. If it's wrong, you're not going to do it, and you'll be the only one that doesn't." But you've got to teach your kids right from wrong, and you've got to stand behind those principles and make it happen, and we all make mistakes. Of course, I've made one, but everyone makes mistakes, and you have to own up to that, and learn from it. Learn from it. I don't see enough people learning from their mistakes these days, and that's sad, and respect those in authority that deserve respect. Peace and fire, who are upholding the law, not breaking the law, not shading the law, but upholding the law. And that's critical. Yep. Well listen, thank you again, and I'm sure we'll talk after the election. Yeah, and tell me one thing, who's going to win the World Series? I'm going to pick the Dodgers. Ah, I'm with you, I'm with you. I like the Dodgers, and they beat the Yankees in 1981. And I don't know if the Yankees have the right thing at the right moment. It's going to depend on how hot somebody like Aaron Judge gets, and same thing with Juan Soto and Garrett Cole, I think are going to be your components. Well, Garrett isn't showing me a lot in the last few times out, but I'll tell you, I'm a big Freddy Freeman fan. And Freddy, they threw him out of Atlanta, and L.A. got him, and boy, what a lucky bunch there. He's playing with a bad leg, and he's still delivering. Yep, yep, that's right. Honey, bets, I mean, Muncie, it's going to be fun to watch. Yep, and don't forget our friend Mookie. I know it. I know it. Good old Mookie. Right. Everyone in the playoffs used to be here, and we sent him away because we didn't want to pay him. Jesus. Don't get me started on that. Don't get me going, don't get me going on that one, man, I'll tell you. I think that's the worst mistake. Ah, you know, you listen to other broadcasters like, I'm a big fan of John Sterling. Yeah. And you listen to him, and it's hard to hear your own team criticized. But when he goes on the air and says, it's the worst mistake, and the worst trade, the red Sox ever made in history, who's going to disagree with him? Yeah. Nobody. Look at Santa Bogart's. Oh, I mean, the list goes on and on and on, and sale down in Atlanta. Yep. Yep. He could become back picture of the year. Yeah. Maybe right about sale, Gene, this is a complete surprise. But listen, thanks again for your time, and also for your service, and your friendship as well. Enjoy the election coverage, and we'll talk soon again on City Talk. Good night, everybody. Thanks for listening to another great conversation with Ken Meyer and friends. You can contact Ken by email. He addresses KJ Meyer7@gmail.com. That's KJ-M-E-Y-E-R7@gmail.com. Tune in next time for more conversation with Ken Meyer on City Talk. The following commentary does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff and management of WBCA or the Boston Neighborhood Network. 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