Host Sharon Hinton invites Massasoit Community College student Jahleill Deloacth to the show to discuss his educational experience in media arts, his background in media production at church, working on a reality show, inspirational media producers, his future aspirations, & more.
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(upbeat music) Welcome to WBCA LP 102.9 FM in Boston. We're Boston's community radio station. I'm your host Sharon Eaton Hinton and the producer of Black Teachers Matter, another episode here. We're live and you can call in at 617-708-3211. We'll be here for an hour. And talking to another fantastic host. Someone a lot younger than anybody else though. He is Jilial Deloche, a student at Massasoy Community College. Hi, Jilial, how are you? Wait a minute, we're gonna do that again. Let me put your mic up. Hi, Jilial, how are you? - Hey, I'm doing good, how are you? - I am blessed and highly favored. And I have to tell you that you are an impromptu head of a host, but it's kind of awesome. They were getting to know each other on this show. We are going to talk about you getting into this business, wanting to be in media business and being a student, a graduating student at Massasoy Community College in Brockton, Massachusetts. And so I wanna talk to you about you and a little bit about you because I've actually talked to you, but our listeners and our viewers have not. - What made you want to get into media arts? - Okay, so my first answer used to be working with my friend, then I had sit down, I was like, you know what, actually, actually doing this at church was actually the first thing I ever did, anything with media, doing their media team. So I was like, you know what, actually, I started at Kingdom Builders worship center, doing their media, didn't really know I was, didn't know that was setting me up for what I'm trying to, what I'm getting into now. - So Kingdom Builders with Bishop Perry? - Yes. - Oh, a Norfolk Street in Boston? - Yes. - Yeah, I know. - It was moving down, but that's where I started my media. - And how old were you when you really thought that this is something I might like to do? I mean, at Kingdom Builders, that's a whole, you know, we have programming upstairs in Studio A, where people are doing so-called religious or spiritual programming. That's a little bit different when you are, so you were in the live services, right? - Yeah. - Oh, yeah, that's different. So did you have, that's very different. It was the Kingdom Builders, and even when, I'm thinking about the inside of the building, 'cause it's a pretty historic building, it's beautiful inside the architecture. But I think the last time I was in there, the pulpit or the stage was literally rebuilt to be able to do television. 'Cause it was a different thing with the television and the lighting. So the first time that somebody approached you because they needed a body that was doing, you're doing camera, and what were you doing? - It was, I think, I believe at the time, it was just as young people, 'cause it was like a young, majority of the young people were on the media team. So I think it was just us finding our service to do our work so that we're just not there in church, so. - So then what were you doing, though, because we immediately start out from camera, audio, or what? - I didn't do the audio. There was, like, the director of the program did the audio. We did the camera one, which was the still camera. Then camera two would be the one that, like, switches like a four, but then we had the other camera that's going around, walking around, and catching, they like to say, catching the essence of the service. - Lord, have mercy. Now, Kingdom Builders was Baptist Church, and Pentecostal are both Baptist-Costal. - Oh, yeah, I think it's Pentecostal, yeah. - Pentecostal, so, the reason why I'm saying that is because it's usually a lot of motion, a lot of movement in Pentecostal, like some of the churches that Presbyterian, and no shade, now I'm just saying, in Piscopalian and Presbyterian, they tend to be laid back. And then if it's Baptist or Pentecostal, like there's a lot of movement and dancing and catching the spirit, and even the music, (imitates drumming) it's supposed to, you know, it's just very different. So, the stationary camera was that focused just on the pulpit with the preacher, or how did that go? - I believe that was the one that's just focused on that level up when the preacher's preachers behind the pulpit. - The pulpit, yeah. - So, and then what did you like about it that sparked you to wanna actually, if I remember correctly when we talked, that actually made you think that this is something I really like, and I wanna look for a place that will teach me about how to do this in Massasoid Community College, what was it that sparked in you? - So, that spark had been 2021. When I was doing the media ministry, I didn't really think any of it long time I was just doing it just to be a part of a ministry, a church, but my friend's YouTube channel is what made me wanna find a career in this and learn what I'm doing. - So, what was it about the, tell me about the YouTube channel, how did your friend was going to church with you and saw you in the ministry, and then what did you, you needed a cool person, how did that go? - So, I was a fan of the show, watching it as a teenager, then me and the producer Quran Wilson became friends, and then I was really going, so let me start, I graduated high school, I went straight to college, I went to bring me him, I went to a bring him State University, but I ended up dropping out, 'cause I just felt like, I got into a really bad spot on campus, and then I realized, I was going for sociology, I realized that I was just going to make people proud and just to get out of home finally, so then I got out of school, that's just like 2021, and then COVID played a big part too, 'cause I was a part of the group that had just gone on campus for fall semester, winter break came, and we never returned at the campus until a year later. - Mm, talk to me about that, because I remember the shutdown actually happened in the spring of 2020, and that was the year that my daughter was graduating for the University of Maine, and they, you know, the college was in universities and schools, basically went all remote, so my daughter called me, spring break was in March, and she's like, "Mommy, can you come get me "and come get my stuff?" And I'm like, "What do you mean, come get your stuff?" I mean, you just come up from break, like you need a suitcase, and you're coming back home, and you'll be back there, and she's like, "No." They told us that we need to leave the campus, and I was like, "What?" And so we had to literally clean out everything in March and bring her home, and like you said, it was a while, but she didn't, all the students, that was the year she was supposed to graduate in June, June 2020, and no one had graduations, they didn't have proms, they didn't have graduations, you didn't have a final football game, or anything in all the celebrations around, I spent four years here struggling, and now I can celebrate, and it's like, "No, it didn't happen." So she was at the tail end of it, but you were at the beginning of it? - Yes, when we talk about it, I feel like I had one semester of the college experience. 'Cause for us, when I remember us going, leaving from winter break, and then we just never returning it in, midway through the spring, that's when they told us we had to go and come back up our stuff, and then when I came back, it was like a ghost town on campus, barely on there, that experience was gone, and then still at that time, I was just really on the campus to finally get away from home. - So it was an escape, it wasn't really, so you said sociology was your major, and you never really spent any time on campus, and then what happened, you were a fan of the program, was it bad boys? - I'm Jimin I Films, yeah, so I just started working, 'cause I was at home, I was like, "Well, you're home now, "so you're gonna start working?" So I started working, and then my friend gave me the opportunity, "Hey, just come by filming, "we're about to start up a new show." - And the show is about what? - It's just a reality show of all guys coming to a house and maneuvering through friendship, partying, all that stuff. - Now, what is the makeup of the show itself? Is it in a house, is it in a house? - Well, he started it off in homes, now you don't work, well, Airbnb is still a home, but yeah, it's in a home. - Okay, and then what about working there? You think maybe this is something I wanna do? - Because I was like, seeing it play back on TV, and there's like literally, and there's actual fans that's in two, what we just filmed made me go, "Oh, my gosh." So this is like a real thing. This is what I watch, and then just getting in the orderized as, 'cause the platform's a really big platform in the web series world. So just being in the orderized for the work that I was just picking up, learning, while doing, 'cause I had no interest besides my little experience working at the church, and I was totally different than what we were doing filming this reality show. - So, what was different? I mean, because I think you said the reality show is really scripted, so it's not really reality, reality, because you're actually setting it up, you're doing the sets. What were you doing, and what did you end up really developing a love for? - I felt like I developed a love of creating things, having cast members come to me, okay, what do I need to do? - Just following, I don't know, I was explaining to Coron when we're filming, and we're seeing, for example, when they're fighting or something, and you're looking through the lens of the camera, oh my gosh, it feels like a movie, and we're really catching it in real life, and that's kind of like what I liked. I was like, okay, I really wanna do this. - And so, from that point, you actually looked for Massasoid Community College, or you looked for a place that would actually teach you? - Yeah, so I was like, 'cause so my thing was, I was like doing it, but I was, everything I was learning was just by being there, me and well, when we were looking for projects, he was hiring people, and people were sitting in me, their resumes and stuff to get them on the show, and it was that motivated me to be like, "Well, Gilil, your only experience "is what Coron had just taught you, "and I wanted to go find some real technical certificate "experience so that when I come back to the table, "you know, I'm certified like the rest of the people "with my peers." - So, with what you're learning, hands on this, if someone's just tuning in right now, you are listening and watching Black Teacher's Matter, and we're on WBCA LP102.9 FM in Boston. Boston's Community Radio Station, I'm talking to Gilil Roach, Diloch. - Diloch. - I'm sorry, Diloch, get it together. Let me say it when I am talking to Gilil, Diloch. And he is, this is your last semester, so you're a graduating student from Massasoid Community College, right? - Yes, my program was two semesters. It's my semester. - Do you feel like, what did you feel like you learned that was different than you being like the OJT on the job training in the web series? - I feel like my experience so far in Massasoid has been different because it's, you know, so I didn't, I've never been in a radio studio, I've never been in a TV, new studio, so I never, you know, when we're filming reality show, there's like no switcher board and that stuff. So I feel like that's what was different from the two cameras in a couple of mics that the YouTube channel had. - So have you been involved in any of the editing process of the YouTube channel of the web series? - No, he does the editing and I mean, he would send us like, what do we think? So I don't know if that's like verbal, so he would tell us what he thinks, but he does the actual editing work. - And then have you been able to direct a segment of it and actually positioning people and telling them this, what you're supposed to say and choose the angles? - Yes, there's, I have like three scenes on my Instagram that are fully produced by me. Like, you know, I gave him the idea, he says, okay, let's try it. And so I posted it, I posted those arguments on my Instagram. I've only been, I've only had like three scenes that was, I could say, I put this together. - So let me ask you something. We talked about this offline, I think you and I were talking on the phone. When you were thinking about working with myself and Barbara Barramari and Boston Media Producers Group and BNN Media and coming over here and being an intern and stuff, what is it that, I mean, you talked a little bit about what you're excited about and what you like to do, who has the job that you want, that you wanna work your way into? - Right now, who has the job? - Oh, my friend, Karan Wilson. I like, I don't really, I don't really like, there's shows that much, but like, the position of a linear plumber and being like a black guy and having his own network. And then of course, you know, Tyler Perry is a big inspiration too. - What is it about Tyler Perry that's a big inspiration? I mean, he owns, I was reading an article about him yesterday, Medea is a big part of his franchise. I think they said he's earned 660 million just off of Medea. All the stuff he's done with Medea between the plays and the movies. And I don't know how much merchandising a marketing he does with that, but she's been in so many, and she still is in so many different characters. But because he owns 100%, if you look at his plays or his, even he has, you know, he produces music and stuff too. And a lot of his plays and stuff. So whatever he does, he produces, he owns 100% of it. And then he has now with his studio that's Tyler Perry Studios in Atlanta. I think he has the biggest sound stages and production house in the country, bigger than one of brothers or anything too. - That's what more of it's really like, 'cause I like having some, I think we all kind of have some control almost there. So knowing the fact that he took his trauma and he made it, you know, funny and made these movies and he has a big studio. That's what I like. - So is it the control or the ownership, the freedom and the creativity? - I think it's the freedom and creativity and ownership and, you know, the fact that he believed in stuff and kept on going. - But he almost quit. - Yeah. - So what is it that you're willing to, okay, so in business, they call it opportunity cost, right? Which you have to give up to get it. And a friend of mine, she and I were years ago working at WBC in the newsroom and I was a news producer there, she was a reporter. And she told me, this is the kind of business where you have to be in it up to your eyeballs to hang on by your fingernails. And you heard the stories about Tyler Perry being homeless and putting all his money into his efforts and then nobody's showing up and him losing money and people, the whole media came because the person who was supposed to be the actress playing that didn't show up and he ended up doing it. And so, you know, that's where Medea was born. It was out of necessity, he ended up having to do it. So you are, at first you went into school because you just wanted to get out of the house. And now you wanna do this business. And you said, Tyler Perry was one of the inspirations also, Karan, who actually opened the door for you. But what do you, what's your game plan after you graduate? - So my game plan and my mom hates this because I keep on telling her I wanna, my game plan when I graduate is to save some money. And I have a couple opportunities in Atlanta and I just feel like once I graduate, I'm okay with leaving home and stuff. 'Cause I just wanna be, I feel like it's just fair for me. I wanna be in the environment of other creators, creatives, web series opportunities and stuff. And I feel like, before I didn't know about being in, but I just felt like there wasn't other creatives in Boston. And so I felt like, oh, actually there is, but most of what I wanna do, like web series and stuff, my goal is to really try to get to Atlanta and be in that Black Hollywood area. - So you think Atlanta is Black Hollywood and not New York? - I don't have, I never, I didn't hear much about New York. - And so when you go to Atlanta, how are you gonna, I know this is a mother talking about. So how do you plan on supporting yourself while you are putting your life's earnings into your dreams? Don't figure it out. I wanna figure out, I have some family and stuff and I have some chosen family who are literally just telling me, just get here. And you know, you can't always trust some people, but I'm just like, there's some people that's really just waiting for me to just get here so that I could chase my dream. Like I have a friend that's saying, well, I could house you and you know, we could work on this podcast and stuff. So I just feel like, I know it's gonna be hard. I really got sick money saved now. But like, I know me, once I get out there, I know knowing that I don't wanna come back without no money and stuff, I'm gonna work hard. - So do you consider, I mean, you just, you wanted to, so you're getting this certificate, you wanna move to Atlanta. Eventually you wanna be in a position like Tyler Perry where you own, produce, write, direct, edit, everything and you own it, like, you own it and then you read the benefits of it. Do you feel like you need to take some business classes or like, who's your team? Do you have a team? Are you going out there solo, like Batman? - It's so crazy, it's so funny, you guys stuff because I was just talking to my other, my friend the other day and I was like, we should create like a producer's agency or something because we're, I have a couple young creatives and we're all just figuring it out together like with people asking us to do their shows and stuff. So I feel like I'm building a team but I do need a real like, you know, someone who knows what they're like talking about with business and stuff. So I do plan on taking those classes, I just wanna get in the environment. - Did you ever, have you thought about continuing your education to get a bachelor's degree or a social degree and meeting other people like at Emerson or Berkeley or something? - I did, but I do, but I just feel like school is not, the pre-writes and stuff about school is, this is not for me, I don't, but I do wanna, I know I'm going to have to like go back to school but I just wanna like some type of experience to at least get beyond the floor to do some work. - Now have you read, I don't, I don't know if he actually has an autobiography yet but he's got plenty of stories Tyler Perry and I know he talked about what he went through in his childhood and he was actually, he was doing these plays and, but it was Oprah Winfrey, he was watching Oprah Winfrey's show and he started journaling and that's where the ideas from his plays ended up coming up in the people that he knew, people he grew up with and he started journaling and he turned those journals into plays, what are some of the stories that you think you wanna tell? - I don't know how to spell it with a room, I don't know, asking me something, I don't know, you asking me this, I've been thinking about it, should I tell it over the phone? Maybe some of you tell a little radio, maybe some of you steal my idea, I don't know. - I don't know, I don't know, like if this is like Tyler, I don't wanna tell my family business but like I do wanna use what I have to, what I had to see growing up in the household as like a push and stuff. - Now do you know, I don't ever remember Tyler Perry goin' to college, I'm sitting up here googlin' him now, right? - Yeah, so that's what I was about to say about your question 'cause I don't, everyone that I've met so far and like some higher upstays like you can get all the education in this field but it's about who you know and like when so is like, I wanna get to the certificate then what if I finish all the school, do all the schooling and then I have no opportunities? Whereas if I just get to the certificate and just keep on rubbing my elbow and getting to spaces then I might get lucky and I have to really do all the schooling because of my experience made up for that. - So you think it's either or of both? - I think it's either or whatever one works first. - How do you know if it's working? - I feel like it's working 'cause I'm here right now. - Ah, okay, I'm sitting up here and I'm googlin' him, right? And his three siblings, his childhood was described as living hell, mother took him to church, blah, blah, blah. At age 16 he had his first name legally changed from Emmett to Tyler in an effort to distance himself and his father, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking to see if he actually, okay, it says while Perry did not complete high school, he earned a GED. So, who knew, right, so I just googled him. While Perry did not complete high school, he earned a general education development at the GED. In his early 20s watching an episode of The Open Winfrey Show he heard someone describe that sometimes therapeutic affect the act of writing can have, enabling the author to work out his or her own problems. This comment inspired him to apply himself to a career in writing. He soon started writing a series of letters to himself which became the basis for the musical I Know I've Been Change. I remember that play. And I do, he's a Christian, many of the themes in his work, reflect theology and social behavior, indicative of the predominantly black church culture, such as the many scenes in both his stage and screen work, the featured church settings and worship styles. And it talked about, you know, all the philanthropy work where he lives. I remember watching an interview where he said why he wanted to do it in Atlanta because it was so hard going into Hollywood. In 2007, now this is 2024, that's 17 years ago, he bought a 17 acre estate in the Buckhead Atlanta neighborhood. In May of 2016, he sold the house with 17.5 million, also closing the biggest deal ever for private home in the Georgia capital. And in 2013, his company, ETPC, LLC, purchased around 1,100 acres in the New Manchester, Georgia area of Douglasville County, Georgia. And in September 2017, he purchased the house in Mulholland Estates, a gated community in Los Angeles. Nine months after buying the estate, Perry sold the property for 15.6 million, he owns vacation properties in both Wyoming and the Bahamas. Yeah. - Yeah. - So he sounds like he's a pretty good businessman as well, which brings me back to, if you've taken any, I don't know how long you were at, it doesn't seem like you were there that long at your, you know, the traditional college. Did you take any business courses there? - No. - Do you feel like you need to? - Yeah, for sure. - Okay, so, and so they're, all the classes that you took in mass of soil, they're basically film classes or writing or what is it? - Yeah, all the classes, as far as being the year, just to meet your arts. And... - Mm-hmm. And he is 55 years old, teleparries, 55 years old. We're gonna take a short break. And, if you just tuned in, you were listening to Black Teachers Matter. This is another episode with my guests, Jillian DeLoch, who is a graduating student from Massasoit Community College in Rockton. This is WBCA LP 102.9 FM. We are Boston's Community Radio Station. And I'm your host and the producer, Sharon Eaton-Hinton. Stay tuned for these public service announcements and we'll be right back after this. - psychologist, social worker, drug expert, sex counselor, trusted to parent and friend. Now those are some of the things you just have to be before they even get down to teaching. Now the more you know what it takes to be teaching these days, the more you realize that it's one of the toughest, most important jobs in the world. So what can you do to thank your teacher? It's cool. Learn. (gentle music) - This newspaper's got good news and bad news. The good news is that it's loaded with jobs for accountants and lawyers and nurses and carpenters and every other kind of skilled worker. The bad news is that there isn't a single ad for a school dropout, at least nothing you'd want. The more you know how tough things are for school dropouts, the more you'll see you have no choice. You have to stay in school. Think about it. (gentle music) - I can't believe that some of you guys still think it's cool to drink and drive. Well, read my lips. Anybody that's going to drive me home has got to be in condition to get me there in one piece. The more you know how I feel about drinking and driving, the more you know that if you drink and drive, I'm not going anywhere with you. But if you happen to be the designated driver, well, you can take me home anytime. (gentle music) - I know now. Help me out here. It's a punching bag, right? I mean, it doesn't talk, it doesn't lie. It sure doesn't give you a hug when you need one. Yet some of you insist on mistaking your children for it. How's that possible? I mean, when you hit the punching bag, it doesn't cry. (gentle music) Back in the fifth grade, I had a favorite school past time. Teacher, torture, poor Mrs. Schuldenfry. A left fake vomit on her desk, set off stick bombs at lunch, painted the class hamster light blue, and the thing was, I liked Mrs. Schuldenfry, and she liked me, and I learned a lot that year. So, I told the teachers who helped kids learn in spite of themselves, thanks. And Mr. Schuldenfry, do you ever find those dead frog parts? (gentle music) - Some guys will try to tell you that hanging out on the street and messing with guns gets you respect. - Well, they're wrong. - They're dead wrong. - Because sooner or later, you're gonna kill someone, and you're gonna do time for it. - Well, someone's gonna blow you away because they know you're on it. Don't kid yourself, man. You know what happens to guys who carry guns? Why is it not? It's your life we're talking about. Don't let a gun kill your future. (gentle music) - And we're back here at Black Teachers Matter, another episode, we're live here on WBCA LP 102.9 FM. In Boston, I'm your host and the producers Sharon Eaton-Hinton, and we have a call-in number, but I didn't really promote this episode. Sorry. If you have to be listening, 617-708-3211. I wanna tell you about an event that's coming up in a couple of weeks. It is the Media Networking Forum and Community Conversation. Put on by the Boston Media producer's group. Transparency, I'm actually the president of the group. And Barbara Barrow Murray, if you had tuned in last night on another level, which is the program that I have on Comcast, BNN TV, Channel 6. We were talking about the importance of the media and the community. And it was pretty interesting. The importance of the media and the community is gonna happen on Saturday, November 2nd. At 1 p.m. of Roxbury Public Library, 149 Dudley Street in Roxbury, Massachusetts. That is in the community room on the first floor. We've invited participants from WGBH, Channel 4, Channel 5. We've got Boston Praise Radio, such FM, then our own Brett Rodrigs, who's the manager here in WBCA. We'll be there. The co-owner, one of the co-owners of the Boston Banner, Andre Stark will be there. I Heart Radio, Boston Praise Radio, WRBB Radio. We've got WBCH Radio, WBCH Television Channel 5. We've got a bunch of people coming in that are actually in the media, leaders and trendsetters and movers and shakers that are in television, in radio, in print, and in social media, young and old. And so they're gonna come together at one o'clock, one until three, talking about the freedom of speech, the freedom of press, and the importance of media to the community. We're in Boston right now, so we're talking about the Boston community. That's where they're coming from. But if you know anything about WBC, you can hear that signal all the way up to Canada. So we're talking about the community, and we've invited the community to also talk to people in the media to say, "This is what's important to us." We don't want to see when there are car crashes or drug overdoses and people being stabbed or killed or robbed or whatever, especially when it comes to communities of color. But we want to see the festivals, the carnivals, the good times, the actual fabric of the community, people opening up businesses, people celebrating life, the good things, not just the tragic and traumatic things. And so if you're coming, you're a producer here at WBCA, or one of the media outlets here in Boston, you're invited to come. If you're a student in the media, you're invited to come to actually network with people, because they can tell you what it took for them to get into the business and what it might take for you. If you have an organization or an event and you want to know how do I get, or you're a writer or you want to be a columnist or a camera person, you can come in and you can say, what does it take to get an op-ed, which is an opinion editorial in a newspaper or in television? Who do I have to be? Who do I have to know? What do I have to do? And so you can come in and ask people who are actually in the business, Larry Lawson from WBC, is gonna be there, and so Carmen Fields, who's a veteran in Channel 5, will be there. We've got a lot of people, Java with Jimmy, who started his radio business on social media. So we have people that are in the business in different levels who will come and say, this is what it took, and this is what it takes to get into this business, to stay into this business, and we also have owners. This is what it takes to start your own channel, to start your own media outlet, to start your own newspaper. So that's all gonna be coming together. Saturday, November 2nd, 1 p.m. at the Roxbury Public Library, 149 Deadly Street from one until three. The Media Networking Forum and Community Conversation, the importance of media and the community, the First Amendment and the Freedom of Speech, and it's presented by the Boston Media. Produces groups, so that is my personal public service announcement, and let's get back to my special guest, who is fixing his headphones right now. Jilil the Loach, you are going to be graduating, and in December, correct? - We're done, December 17, and I believe I was-- - December 17th, right before Christmas. That's gonna be your Christmas present to you, I guess. - Yes, I didn't, it graduated since then, so May. - Wait a minute, but you're not gonna, are you gonna hang around until May? You're gonna be doing something else. What are you doing? - That's what I'm trying to figure out now. - Oh, okay. - So you're trying to figure out that now, now the web series, is that still going on? Will you still be working with them? - Yeah, where you actually just spoke the other day, talking about like bringing it back, it was on like a little mental health break, so we're just kind of playing it back. - And from, now you said that you were setting up scenes, and you're working out the dialogs, you have three scenes that are actually on your YouTube page, your Instagram? - On my Instagram page. - So what are the plans that you have to do your own productions? Like where do you see you have to go from where you are? Could you take a camera and put a script together right now and do your own production? - I think so. I kinda like, I don't know if I wanna do this like alone, I think I kinda wanna be the person that comes on, someone's show and they tell me, "Hey, this is the essence of the show, can you think of something?" - I know you told me about some of the reality shows, I forget which one it was that-- - That I like to watch? - Yeah, well that you like to watch, and you actually admire the producer and the creator of it. - I like Wanda Scott, but I like 'cause she like, I like the way she does her reunion and some stuff. - Now tell us the show that you actually watched, 'cause everybody doesn't watch those shows. - Well I watch, the reality shows I watch is Love and Hip Hop Atlanta, with some Zeus network shows like Baddies, and I really just watch Love and Hip Hop, and basketball wives, LA, with Shawnee O'Neal, I love her. - Now what do you like about those shows? The drama? - Yeah, I like the drama. - The arguing, the back and forth, I mean I think some of those shows have actually broken up people's weddings, I mean they're marriages, and so do you think, now some of those shows they're in Atlanta, they're in New York, I'm trying to think of the love in LA, 'cause you got Love and Hip Hop Atlanta, I mean there's Love and Hip Hop Miami too, I think. - And the group on shows like Bad Girls Club on Oxygen, that's the inspiration for it, that I was a club show that I do with Corona. Now how did you find out about all these different networks? - I'm just watching the TV, being old. - That's not regular television, those are cable, but those are separate networks, and so I watch a lot of television networks too, because I've been in this business for a while, but you've told me about some networks I didn't know anything about, it's probably the age difference, be nice. So did you find out like you're in the circles and you're talking about it? - No, like watching TV like Oxygen, Oxygen did, Bad Girls Club, VH1 did Love and Hip Hop, and that's about wives. - Those are on regular, like cable channels, VH1 and stuff, but Oxygen network, and was the other one the bad boy, I mean Genesis, what was it? - Bad Eats? - No, no, no, there was one, there was a network that your friends program is on, the web series. - Oh, it's on YouTube, Gemini Films is on YouTube. - Oh, so once you get on to YouTube, do the algorithm's lead you to these other networks? - No, I think once you just know like, the other things that are networks are like, Zeus Network is a network, they have an app, now that's TV is the new thing, they have an app, so I think I just knew it because that's like, our show is the not algorithm. - So yeah, so this is the algorithm that leads you to that, and then when you go down the rabbit hole of different kind of off mainstream kinds of networks, so you said you wanted to have your own channel and your own network? - I don't think I want my own, but, I mean, I think it will be a nice time of my own, I don't mind working on-- - Well, if you wanna be Tyler Perry, yeah, there's something-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If you wanna get paid, you don't have to-- - Do your own, yeah. - Yeah, I think your next wire embossing, you mean I wanna look at some business courses or something, I'm not sure. I mean, I've met a lot of people in the business and famous people, influential people, rich people, wealthy people, and black people, and what they all said is you gotta get your money tight, you gotta know what you're doing, not just depend on your tax attorneys and your managers and your lawyers and your other people to count your money. - That's true. - That's true, right? So we've got a few minutes left, about 15 minutes or so left. Tell me where your next, now we talked about your next step and you said you're trying to figure that out now and you wanted to end up in Atlanta, do you have any idea of how long you think it's gonna take for you to get there? - Hopefully it just takes me a year or about six months. - To get a job or to be where you're dreaming? - Oh, my example, in general, doesn't be where I would, I don't know. - To come out in a year, you'll be in Atlanta? - Yeah, like hopefully, generally I could bring up the conversation again and start like... - Have you gone to like any, you know, Boston has a lot of films coming through here, working on some of the films, especially during the more, actually, any time of the year. They've contacting the Massachusetts Film Office and possibly working on some of the films that come through here. I'm just now learning about that stuff, the opportunity. So I would, I wouldn't mind like seeing what such stuff it's about. - So a lot of, we talked about earlier, a lot of this business is who you know. - Yes. - And do you see any opportunities? I mean, you just found out about the Massachusetts Film Office, but do you see any of the other opportunities in Boston or you just, you go into Atlanta because you think that's what's there? - For me, I thought that was just, that's what's there for, you know, people who are doing web series and stuff. I didn't know much about the opportunities here. - So, I didn't know that you said you were gonna help out at the Boston Media Producers Group, the Media Networking Forum and Community Conversations show. You'll meet a lot of people in the media there. - Yes. - Hopefully, they'll hire you to do something that pays you and not just working there. I remember a lot of this business getting around, there's something different about the atmosphere when you're in a production set. And there's different production sets, right? There's production sets that are in recording studios, that are on sound stages, that are in film sound stages, TV sound stages. I was really, I remember going into WGBH channel tools studio. This studio was like three floors up, three stories up. It's pretty big, they're main studio. And where you can build sets and build huge sets, like production sets and stages and everything. And so, and then, I've been doing this for a while. So, I've actually been in plays, been in movies, been in the studio recording, been on stage, performed live, that kind of thing. Do you see yourself performing in front of it? Like, right now, you're in camera, because my guests bagged out. So, you gotta be ready. You got a nice little haircut and everything. So, you were ready. But how do you, do you see yourself ever in front of the camera? Because a lot of, I think a lot of this business is being in, and you're so into it, that the other doors of opportunity open for you. So, what else are you open to? - I think, I'm definitely starting. So, I feel like, as I get more familiar with the space, I wouldn't mind being in front of camera. Like, this is my first time in front of that. - Ever? - In a radio, live on radio, sitting here. - Yeah. - Look at God. (laughing) This is your first time. - Yeah. - Well, now you can't say that anymore. - Right. - This is the good thing, right? And so, are you comfortable, uncomfortable? How are you feeling? - I'm getting comfortable. - Ooh. - As the conversation, going on, I'm getting comfortable. - That's a good thing. - And hearing myself, at first, I don't like to hear myself, so. - And your head, in the headset? - Yeah. (laughing) - Well, get used to it, if you're gonna be doing it for a while. I mean, I think everyone, when I think, well, so I sort of, when I got on radio, I've got a lot of different experiences doing different things in radio. But when I was first on radio, it was a dare. Somebody, I was at Northeastern University and taking business classes. And a friend of mine who was taking business classes was me, lived two doors down. And so, we were gonna walk to campus and he had the college radio station, WRBB on, in his department. And so, I was listening and I was like, these people are horrible, and I was cracking on him. I was like, these people are horrible. I get to do better than that. And so, he said, well, what makes you think you can do better than that? It's not as easy as you think, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, I know I can do better than that. We were listening to the news, them doing the news report, right? I said, because I read the newspaper, I know how to pronounce people's names, and I know something about the stories. And he dared me to go on the radio. And so, part of being eligible to be on the radio at WRBB at Northeastern, you had to be a student. So, I was like, okay, I'm a student, we got that. And then the other part, you had to come to the meetings and do an air check, which meant that you had to read, you know, on the air. And so, I think the meeting was on a Tuesday. I did an air check and I was on the air on Thursday. And I started doing news. And the way the studios were set up, Studio A, B, and C, the new studio was in between the on-air studio, either studio could go on air. But the studio that had the turntables, two of them had turntables, wait a minute. Yeah, two of them had turntables in. The new studio was in the middle. And so, and you had windows through all three of them, so you could always see each other. And so, in between the news breaks, I would go into the studio when people were DJing. And so, I was watching them scratching and mixing and DJing. And so, I would do it when they had to go up to the bathroom, whatever, right? And I was always into music. I mean, I grew up around music. But then one day, one of my friends got up and he said, you know, "Sha, just come on over here "until I come back." And I was like, "No, no, I can't do that, I can't do it." He left. And then I ended up, you know, live scratching and mixing and learning how to do that. And then I started cracking the mic. And the phone's lighting up and responding to my voice. And your voice on radio becomes your identity. It's what you look like. And walking into stores and hearing your voice coming over the speakers and stuff and you're hearing yourself. And then people are responding to you. You start to get free stuff, right? And you're meeting all these artists and everything and all these stars that everybody else is trying to meet. But you're in it. And so, there's something about the environment. When my voice came on the radio and all the lines started lighting up and talking to me. And then I found out you could get paid for it. I was like, "Oh, I love listening to music anyway." And now you're gonna pay me to play some music? Oh, it's on and pop it now. Hey, so I know what you mean in terms of when you're doing the web series and people starting to respond to you. It's different. It's different. The people that you're working with are different. In terms of being around creative people, they were geniuses and genius and the best of what they did. I mean, it's one thing when people are doing something. It's another thing to be in the space of other people that are the best or really, really good at what they do. And you bring their best there and they bring their best there and it becomes something else. Which is, you know, we're coming down to the end part of this show. And when we first started this show, I didn't know if you knew what it was gonna feel like to be in the air live for an hour. There's other radio stations where I've been undoing talk shows. And I was on the air for four hours. And we had the wonderful blessing of being heard around the world. So I get phone calls from Africa, from Australia, from Scotland. And that was blowing me away, right? It was like, wait a minute. You're hearing me in another country where you sound totally different and it was a gospel radio station. And I'm playing music and then we're talking and we're praying together. We're, you're telling me about your culture and your language and you get to know people. They get to know more about you if they're just listening to you, right? And you're not in the air. But in a talk show, that becomes who you are to them. And then it can get, it can get really kind of strange. When people start following you and talking, stalking you and, you know, coming up to you and they're following you go, "Oh, it's you," and you go, "Yeah, you are." It's like, "Yeah, it's me, and you are." So you're about to embark. If you stay in this business, it's a really exciting, if you stay in it long enough and there's no guarantee that you'll get rich, but it'll be experiences are rich in learning. So if you've just tuned in and this is WBCA LP 102.9 FM Boston, and it's Boston's Community Radio Station. I'm your host and the producer of Black Deaches Matter. We've got a few minutes coming down to the end of the program. I'm here with Gileal De Loach. He is a graduating student from Massasoit Community College and a future business person, producer, webmaster, web series, producer, I'm putting down into the universe. What else do you want to put out into the universe, Gileal? - Casting director. - Casting director. - Oh. Casting director for TV, radio film. - TV, radio film. - All of that. - Yeah. - Ooh, do you know what it takes to be able to do that? - Somewhat, someone, I've been, again, working work around, I didn't realize when casting, we put up that flyer and there's literally a hundred emails and then we're going through them. But that's what's fun to me, so that's why I want to put it. - Do you have any advice for people who think that their passion is being in media, being in film or web series? - I think my advice is to find someone that would give you a chance and just do it. - Just do it, just get in there and just sweat in it. - Because my thing was, I didn't know, I was like, "Oh, I don't really know. Everyone else around me has experience, but now I'm getting more confident because I'm getting, I'm starting to get the experience and stuff, so it's okay if you don't start with experience, you'll get it along the way. - Now, when will you think you know when you made it? What would that look like? - I don't know, I don't know if it's something that you look like, maybe, I think I would feel it, I'm not sure. - Okay, so if you don't have a goal, you're not gonna, you gotta reach, you know, go for the stars. - Yeah. - Or go for the moon and you reach the stars. What is that? You go for the, no limit. 'Cause there is no limit production, right, Master P. You know, recently I had to write down, I had to remind myself of being focused. When you're multi-talented and you have a lot of ideas, you gotta write it down and make it plain. You gotta be stay focused or else you're not gonna reach it. You may get some good stuff but it won't necessarily be some great stuff. - Mm-hmm. - So if you had, give me, and I'm forcing you to think down last minutes of this show, but, and so the question is, how do you know when you will have made it? When you'll be doing casting, directing on major Hollywood productions or in another country, getting paid? Then will you know if you've made it? - I think I know when I made it, when I'm seeing my name and credits and people are knowing me by, oh, you're a little from this film or you could produce this show or this show or you're one of the people in the back of the show, I think it's the level I got. I know I made it. - Mm-hmm. - You know you made it when you're making money. When people are paying you to be you, right? I mean, I don't, I don't think, if you're creative, for me, when I do the TV shows, I've been doing it for a while and I've been in film and we're doing a radio podcast. Now, I don't think I'm ever satisfied. I always see something that I could do better or, you know, I could do better, it could be done better. I like the, when you said you would feel it, one of the major perks that doesn't necessarily come with money, but it usually tends to, is when you come together with the best in whatever business you are and it becomes, whatever it is, if it's a play or a song or album or whatever, it becomes greater, whatever it is, becomes greater than any one person in there and then the group that's in there. You come together and it's, if it's a music group, then you know, you've got the strongest alto soprano, tenor bass and you sing a song and you hit that sweet spot at symphony and it's like, "Oh, let's do that again." You know, you get that harmony, you get that sound. If it's a dance move, you're in sync. If it's, and I'm not promoting the group, but I'm just saying you're in tune with your body and you're in tune with the other dancers, with the music and everything. And, and that's what you go for. And you go for that excellence and you go for that, well, if you're, if you're saved, if you're Christian, you go for that anointing. You go for that place with that spirit, it's so strong. And you, it's like a real stake. Like when you've tasted a real stake, a real ice cream is something that's real, you want that again. And you won't stop until you get that again. So, Julia, I'm gonna say to you, I hope that God blesses you with everything that you want. Tell me the next thing you're gonna do when you get out of here. - Right now? - Yeah? - Go to work. - Yep. And there it is. Thank you so much for being here. I, that's what we're gonna do. We, we've been at work and we're gonna go to work. And I wanna tell you again, thank you for being here with us at WBCA LP 102.9 FM in Boston. We are Boston's Community Radio Station and this is another edition of Black Teachers Matter. I'm your host Sharon Eaton Hinton, the producer. And we'll be back another time. I've got a bunch of people coming up. Some authors with some books, some people flying in town who are doing book signings and some leadership sessions that are coming in and coming out of bunch of people. But I also wanna see you on Saturday, November 2nd at 1 p.m. at the media networking forum and community conversation and points of media and the community. We've got so many people there from TV, radio, print media. And we wanna see you. Take care of yourselves and each other. God bless you and keep you. Amen.