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I'm hosting Ashley's Calm and you two are just a series of whirling, dervish handbags. How'd you like to game, Chris? Not especially, it was a pretty lackluster performance like by Liverpool. But listen, away games, as we've seen this year, are hard. Away games at Arsenal are particularly hard. So do you know what, I think why we said a point at Arsenal is absolutely fine. We've actually, that's a point better than we've got in the last couple of years against them. And look, we're two points up in the last year. So overall, result-wise, I'm happy with and performance-wise, not so much. But, you know, we still keep finding ways of getting the results, which is kind of what we want, really, is and there's areas to work on. By the way, the injury crisis of Arsenal, put it in the fucking bid. They literally had when you put the list up, three first teamers out, which are Saliba, Odagard, and Calilio, and then they had Timber, not Timber, Tierney out, who's a squad player. It looked like five or six out. It was fucking not mentioned. And we had Jotter and Alison out, who would have started today. So it turns out injuries, squad were quite even in terms of what they were missing. So stop hiding behind it. I mean, I don't think Arsenal are. I think some of their fan base are, and honestly, but look, two, two, I think on the level of performance, I'm fairly happy with it, because I thought we weren't great first half, we were a bit better second half. Both their goals leave a lot to be desired, but listen, I'll take a point, move up. Yeah. I mean, that's a big thing. ACDC says seven points from nine from the big six at Manu Chelsea and Arsenal. I take it. Kev, a good point in the end for you. A great point. Fantastic point. An absolutely unbelievable point, because we were second best in a lot of departments. And to come out of that with a point, you'll absolutely take, because I don't think that we'll play 90 minutes as poorly or as ineffectively again this season. It was, it was so frustrating to watch, and I was confident going into it that we'd be able to get at them, get at the back forward, but it doesn't matter who's playing at the back for them. If you can't build an attack, you can't sustain pressure, you could have four dinner ladies in the back. It doesn't matter a job. We just, we were too eager to get the ball forward direct too often. And I said before we came on there, that we threw the baby out with the bathwater with how we approached this, because it was so reminiscent, that first half was so reminiscent of last season in their set up and our inability to be able to deal with it. It was really one of the most frustrating games that I've watched this season, Barono. You know, you take the point all day long when you're playing that bad. Absolutely. I feel like we've left points on the table there, and it's our own fault. Yeah. I mean, we may have left points on the table in the overall scheme of things. Actually, I think after the first half, pretty much any of us would have clawed your eyes out for a draw because it was four. I mean, that's what I said in our telegram group, like I would take, I would take a draw just so that we don't have to listen to the media go on and on and on about arsenal winning, with that slapstick kind of paged together defense that they had there. I think that is where we'll look back and say we missed an opportunity, because by the end of that game, that was like their fourth choice defense, all kind of piecemeal together. I don't give a shit about their injury crisis because, you know, I fell for the arteta line that Saka was out. I fell for the line that timber was out. You know, I have zero sympathy for them getting the injuries they did later in their like later in the game because I think that was, you know, what arteta was asking for playing those guys. But yeah, overall, I think I'm going to look back on this and say it's a missed opportunity. Hopefully I don't remember the performance that much because there was so little to write home about about this performance that I am glad that we got the point, but I just want to move on from this performance, because I genuinely never want to watch that game again. Yeah. Yeah. There was some half decent football throughout the game, hopefully because, you know, we're going to try to milk an hour out of this at least, but I don't, I don't think that'll be an issue given, given all the talking points. Chris, we got the line up there scrolling across the bottom for us. I'd like to say that I absolutely nailed the Liverpool lineup in our preview show we did on Friday that Curtis Jones came in for Saba Sly. Were you happy surprised with the Liverpool lineup? I was, I think the only debate was, I, I agree with you, I thought Jones would start. I think it was, was it Saba Sly was at McAllister in hindsight. I think you see what McAllister, I think you see what Saba Sly gives you and McAllister doesn't. And I think it's horses, of course, is you may have had this debate off fly as it has. I think Saba Sly has become a little bit of a genome out of, which is everything says, what Foxy do, if you don't fish at this, you know, we, we win things in spite of him. It wasn't playing today and I think you missed that the press and he does the energy. He gives you, especially in that 10 role, I think he, he just drives the team forward of it on that, that extra mobility, especially when you need to sit deep and I don't think it's soup Jones's game. I think Jones actually looked better. What subs like everybody went back to playing defensive? I think Jones, who actually think did okay all game played even better, deeper. I thought McAllister was off it today. So but listen, that's how you take to see what he's like, but I wasn't overly forced because they're a bit horses for courses, but yeah, it was fine. Yeah. And Brian O'Halloran here says, is this the issue with not giving D as much time after the international break? It didn't seem up to speed with the game. It's another one of those hindsight things because when we were previewing it, it was like, if they're going to play Thomas Party at right back, like get the ball to Lewis Diaz and let him absolutely go. And who is it? Man of Subedai said, Party looked like Philip Lomker to see a Luis Diaz. And Kev, in terms of the Arsenal lineup, Ashley was right in terms of the PR mumbo jumbo, the London Evening Standard was way off with their predicted lineup. And yeah, sure enough, Saka, Tember, everybody fit to go from the start. I'm surprised Otigar didn't make an appearance. Yeah, for what they had available, that was probably as strong as they could go. We'll see down the line. We'll see over the next week, 10 days, how much of a gamble he took because it definitely looked like they suffered as the game went down. I think they took some unnecessary risks, but it's a good 11. And the only questions really were how are they going to line up, who's going to play where? And it was the same for us. While he was hoping that you'd see McAllister playing on the right and Jones playing on the left, purely simply because of the role that Saka has and his ability to isolate full backs, Robertson would have probably benefited more of the job that he did against Chelsea last week on that side of the pitch. But at the same for them, were they going to line up with two 10s, two strikers? They're really going to play 43, one and match us up. It was just the way the game started. I saw it's going direct really early, that one over the top to Salah to test out the left back, to the test timbre, and one over to Diaz to test party out. And we had reasonable success on the first couple of occasions. But after that, it became meat and drink from and we kept turning the ball over and couldn't get any kind of floor, any kind of rhythm into the game at all. And you know, as first 10 minutes, well, first nine minutes above, we went, we were on the back foot for large parts of that half. Yeah, I mean, Ashley, we were talking about it on Friday when Gav, Kev, yourself and myself were doing a bit of a preview, trying to, you know, suss out how Liverpool might have approached the game. And I think we all kind of came down on it'll be, you know, kind of reserved from us the first couple minutes. Arsenal will come out, come out of the gates flying and my comms, I'm sure you had the same ones where we're not shy of sharing the fact that Arsenal had won two in a row at home against us that they had scored in the first 15 minutes, I think in four of their last games against us and nine minutes in and they were early again. Yeah, I mean, that was a horrible goal. It was so incredibly easy. And I hate like coming down hard on any singular player, but I mean, Robertson did absolutely nothing there to cover himself in glory and he got absolutely fleeced. And I mean, Sock is a tricky player, like he's on his day, he's one of the best players in the league. And, you know, whether or not the injury was real or not real, he did show up today. I thought he was incredibly threatening all throughout the game. I thought there were times where it took three of our players to do anything to stop him. I was actually, I was just very disappointed with how we defended him, especially for like the first 30 minutes. But yeah, that goal in, I think it was eight minutes and 40 seconds, you know, he, he just, there was a long ball behind Robertson. I think, you know, just to add insult to injury, Saka not made Robertson in the goal, I'm pretty sure there was a nutmeg right in there. I mean, he hit it so hard into the top and then at that, Kellehert couldn't have done anything about it. I mean, it was just, it was just a fall asleep moment and I can't give any speech for Robertson there. I really can't. Yeah, it's, it does not look good on first viewing or on repeat viewing that like, you know, he's very heavily left footed. He's good with his right foot, but he obviously prefers his dominant left foot. He's going to try to cut back inside. I mean, credit where it's due, it's a great ball by Ben White into the space in that one D one foot race. Robertson's almost always going to come up second best of a kayak, he's a dynamite player. You know, he's going to try to cut back inside. He makes a lovely touch to cut it back inside, but it just, it doesn't look good. And I mean, Chris, there's, it feels like there's a conversation around Andy Robertson that needs to be have, I mean, Brian O'Halloran says, Saka had Robertson on toast calls that he's finished a premature Anthony Boylan saying, Robbo's gone the way of Fabinio. He's found the clip edge and started to fall. Has Andy Robertson's performance is not just in this game, but in the whole season? Is it worrying you, Chris? He hasn't quite got going to his normal standards. Is that sometimes a little bit of a hangover of playing in a world in a, you know, work up probably, you know, he is, he is 30 now. I think the, the keenness to write him off and say it's the, it's the fabinia. If everyone wants to be the first to say they called it maybe years, maybe isn't. I think there are some that said you do also have to sometimes say, you know, there are signs when someone just has, has your number on that day and Saka has his number. Let's be honest. We've seen, we've seen Salah, Manny of the years, do that goal, do that exact goal. And it doesn't mean the defender that they've done to his finish. It just means they've been outdone about that Saka was excellent today. You know, I don't think as a set up when we were trying to press this four to four. It works. If you press it, pace, we didn't. So because we were going to bypass it, they were given McAllister and Grandma was too much space to cover, which meant fourbacks were left exposed and I think it took slot too long to sort of rectify that it probably got to about 55 minute about before we properly got ourselves done. So you're going to give them credit because let's be honest, if we'd scored that goal, we all go and all that fourbacks finished, you know, it's not, you know, because, you know, Salah's going to do that. Yeah, it doesn't mean you can stop it. Yeah. People who saved for seven years, all Salah does is kick it on his left foot and bangs it. Not really stopping them. You know, you've got to be balanced, sometimes go, give the player the credit off. It's more the fact Ben White was unopposed and was able to just pick it off. I think my comments are blaming Van Dyke saying Van Dyke should have seen the ball code over and got back quicker possibly, but it was also that element of, but could Robson do a bit better? Maybe because you saw we tried to do a similar ball. I think it came to the corner that we scored off where, but passing nice to get out to Diaz quicker, just get just, and it was literally, he just managed to get a touch on it. Wasn't anything spectacular, but just enough to delay him. So he didn't have time to move. That's probably the only thing with Robson. Maybe it's a little bit of quickness in mind, you just need to be that one step tighter and just take the gamble. But once he's in the add-in, Robson can't touch him. Yeah, that's what happens when you have dynamite attacking players. So like I said, you got to give credit where credit's due. It's a good ball. It's good play by Saka. Shane McCall, a little defense of Robertson saying he was poor, but no left back in the world makes a difference with that ball. It was world-class attacking play. AC/DC saying, but it is slots fault for throwing Rob over to Saka. I mean, I think a lot of us would have been furious had he started semi-passed. And Project 5 AM saying three games in a row now for Robertson, where he's been given a tough time. Pat Nevin mentioned it midweek. Kev, what's your feelings on the first goal? I thought that Pat Nevin most of biased the rules play as well. Yeah, I bet I mean, it's still correct. Kev, Kev, what's your take on the first goal in Andy Robertson versus Saka? Once Robertson is, what Saka isolates him, it's over. The problem comes from no pressure on the pass from Ben White to begin with. That's not a difficult pass. It's a very easy pass to make when you've got time on the ball and he had all the time in the world. He's a right back who plays that ball for fun anyway, and just because he's 15 yards more infield, it's still an easy ball. And because of no pressure on it, you're not forcing him to rush it. You're not forcing him to take the pass early. You're not trying to make him make a different decision. That goal is born out of no pressure on the ball, simple as that. Saka will do that to virtually every fullback in the league, Baron Nunn, and he'll make a career out of doing it. Don't care who you are, and he'll get days where Robertson will get days where a winger is going to have the best of him. Doesn't happen often. So when it does happen, credit to Saka, good player, really good cutback, and shot and finished really quick as well. I can see what Gary Neville was talking about with Virgil. Could he sprint back and be there for when the chopback comes because he knows he's going to chop back onto his left foot. Maybe he could, but that's being ultra hit, ultra harsh. It's a well-taken goal, it's a well-finished goal, but if you're not going to put any pressure on the ball and invite a player to make that pass, you're asking if you're on down for it. That's down to either Lewis D as Darwin known as someone making an effort to put pressure on Ben White in the first place. I think that, because that's a very good point, that the amount of time that Ben White was given on the ball, it was too much. To me, that was kind of systematic with, I like Curtis Jones and I wanted to see him play, but I wanted to see him play in that double pivot with Gravenberg and have Sawbleside play because the work that Sawbleside does from the front pressing, I don't think we have another player in the team that can equal that, but that's neither here nor there. After they score, Ashley, we wanted to see the response from Liverpool and we get the response from Liverpool. Kev mentioned it, I might have been Chris mentioned it, that part is forced to surrender a corner off of a long ball from Van Dyke to Diaz and somebody, I know Centurion said that trans passing was terrible and we are going to mention that in isolation, but there are two moments where trans passing were absolutely fantastic and they both ended in goals. The first one was from this corner where an ensuing corner plays it to the front man. I don't know how Haberitz lets Diaz get around him quite that easily, but he gets a nice little flick on and Virgil buries it and I won't speak for you, but I was thinking yes, that's the response that we wanted, we leveled the game up, let's push on. Yeah, I was actually surprised it took us that long because I'm used to a very quick turnaround when it comes to going up a gear and getting a goal back and I think that was about nine minutes between goals, so that felt longer than usual, obviously a harder opponent, so I have to take that into consideration. But yeah, the goal, I think it was very well worked, you know, they're widely talked about is the king of set pieces and we'll get to that later, but it was nice to see a set piece for us playoffs. I think that we need to get better at them, I think very clearly Arsenal has made that a strength and I think that we could, we get enough corners that we could make that a much more potent threat than 30 is, especially with Virgil, especially with Kanate, I think that we could score more goals from corners for sure, but I think Diaz does a really good job with the flick on, I think once there's a flick on, it's much harder to defend, you know, Virgil gets it across the line, I thought it was hilarious on my comms, how, I don't know if you guys got this in the UK stream, but on NBC Sports halftime show, they actually did a real life reenactment of how Arsenal could have defended that ball better, where they basically had one person pretending to be Virgil and one person pretending to be the Arsenal defender and it was laughable. So I don't know, they're worth watching if you have a little bit of free time in your hands, but yeah, like I'm glad that we got it, but I was surprised that the momentum did not grow from there at all, because it just sort of plummeted after that and that was very unusual for us. Yeah, that's, that was kind of what I was getting at was that we got the leveler and from there until halftime, I felt that we were quite poor. I mean, Chris, what is fucking abysmal? Well, I don't know why I was going to say I was trying to keep it family friendly, but we have like we're letting go obviously I'm going to say I'm going to say it's all right. No, Chris, obviously you can have your say on our goal because it is a, it is a nice piece of delivery. But the next note that I have is directly relatable to Arsenal taking the lead again, which is on the 18th minute, McAllister, just a silly foul against Fukuyo Saka. 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Like a more rewarding credit card, a game plan that helps you pay down debt faster, or a person alone to help you save more on interest payments each month, cha-ching! And the 18th minute, the 33rd minute, and the 41st minute, Arsenal get set pieces from almost the identical area. It was good to get the response from going down early, and bringing the game back to level, but I completely agree with Ashley, after we got the leveler, we were shit. Yeah, I mean, the frustration with that crosses, it was the same routine, which is the deep one to the back post, and the pull drop, that's fine, and also stand off side because in order to live in a drop. I can't at all, but at some point, would they not work out in hindsight? Maybe it's an easy, but I'm not a professional footballer, but you think pressure will work out going. Well, let's stand it off side. So I mean, if ours are, why it will be a break, hold your round, leave them off side, because if it will hold the line, the gun, move on, it was just really sloppy. But it all came from, I don't mean being careful having a little tiff over it, because we like to, because you know, we love to chat with the nature, really. But I've done a problem with the playing it long thing, because it's not throwing away your philosophy, because I think I get the pressure with slots philosophy, it's a bit of everything, but my frustration with doing it long as we've done it too much, to the point where, yeah, but we're not getting any respite, and the midfielders going up and down doing doggies, but they weren't getting the touch on the ball, and bless, what's his face? Diaz just wanted to kick past him, so he could get past him, so he could kick him for free kick. So I was the bit, I think I messaged you guys, half time too, while I went, that's pretty fair, that's pretty fair, half time score, as in, it was either up to 30, it was pretty even, the last 15 of the Arsenal had the better of the ball, the better the chances deserved to be ahead. And before today, we'd never conceded in the first half in the Premier League, and then we now decided to concede too, but there was sort of a random start they threw up at the end of the game on the Sky comms, which was all about laser. So yeah, look, I kind of felt it was a kick in the seats that we need. Yeah, I mean, Kev, do you have any feelings about the equalizing goal for Liverpool, or the play that ended up with Arsenal taking the lead again before the first half? The corner routine is really well-worked, that's really difficult to get that first delivery right onto the near post for the flick on, Virgil puts his head in there, fights off part a good goal, well-worked, probably a trading ground routine, because Arsenal have been done like that already this season with the near post flick on. So that's something that they've obviously worked on. To be honest, the East coach, they get done on set pieces, I thought that wasn't allowed. Well, you're going to get that. I mean, good sides will work out ways to score it, and Arsenal's third trick with the free kick, the third time was a charm. They had three efforts at that free kick already in the first half, and they did the same routine every time. Three or four players will stand in an offside position at the back end, they'll run across, try to come back into the line, block people from coming back in, and then follow the ball in itself, but ultimately, that Arsenal's second goal is all about the delivery. Declan Rice's cross for that goal is undefendable, I don't care who you- The first one was two-cap, the first ball he put in, and that should have been the warning sign for us. Undefendable. There's only three ways you can defend that. You can defend your 60-yard line, you can drop to the 60-yard line, and hope. That's all you can do is hope. Yeah. Yeah, you can hope that someone can get ahead on it. The second way is as soon as Rice goes to hit the ball, everyone runs out, and you just leave them there. You just leave them there standing up. Which is- I got to say, Kev, I see what you're saying, but it takes some stones. You can- Look, it used to be common way before the barrier, it used to happen a lot, but the big fall in that is you get a deep run. You can only do that once, because as soon as you do it once, someone will be a deep runner and they'll meet you as they're coming out. The third way is the exact way that we did, and we've been doing it that way for years, and if someone gets it absolutely perfect, if they're tying their run absolutely perfect, and the ball is dead on, there is nothing you can do about it. You just have to tip your hat and say, "Hail of a cross, good finish." I don't think that anyone can do anything more about that, honest to God. It's just one of them, that you just got to say, "That's just unbelievable." I would take that, Kev, if they'd have scored in the 18th minute with the first one of those free kicks, but the fact that they had 18 minutes, 33 minutes, and 41 minutes when they score, the fact that they did the exact same routine three times, and on the third time they got caught out, that's not good enough from us to let them- But it's- The same- If more- That's the problem. It's the silly fault to give away in the first place. But even if you give away, you have to clock on to, I would hope that our coaching staff besides getting two yellow cards, which is fantastic, would recognize this is the play they're doing and here's how we're going to defend it. It's hard to communicate mid-game, I get that, but you can't have them run the same play three times. What more can they do? They're not going to drop on to their 60-yard line and come out. They're just not. We've never done it before. It's not something that you're going to be practiced at, so they're just going to stick with what they know. When you look at where the lines were drawn, it's marginal there, but it's half of foot, it's half of foot. It's Virgil's foot. I mean- You know what I mean? It's- What can you do? Did you have Sky? I must go. I must go. Did you have Sky? Me either. I did, yeah. What's that refereeing up it? Mike? Mike? Yeah. He said it was a lazy leg back by Virgil who's played the ball on side. I'm like, "It's got to put his fucking leg down so it works as stand to end someone. It's like, to lazy leg." You have to clear the ball, I mean, your foot has to move backwards, it's just one of them. Mike deemed the excellent football that he was. But you're talking tiny, tiny margins. You can tell how tiny the margins are because of how long it took them to draw the lines. When they did, it was literally inches, a couple of inches is the difference. So I don't think we could have defended that any better than that, bar someone getting the foot on it. I honestly just think Declan Rice's cross took everybody out of the equation. I think it was one of the best crosses from there that I've seen in a long time. If Beckham or Trent needed that, yeah, if Beckham or Trent needed that, you're eulogizing about it. Yeah. And again, it's one of them. It's a credit work credit do. I said like the ball he put in the 18th minute, I put that like it was an A plus ball. It was just fantastic. And Marino just either edited or got a foot on it and put it wide. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean, I'll take my lumps for it. I sit in the pre match or in the in the preview show we did that with Otigard and Saka out that their deliveries from set pieces won't be quite up to the level that we'd expect them to be. They're better. The other thing I'd say though, I think the other side of that we did we defended really well. We didn't give a corner away until the 87th minute, you know. So that side of it, I thought defensively we were really good in that aspect of it where we weren't kicking, you know, taking risks and trying to, you know, instead of clearing it, you know, taking risks that give corners. That side was okay. But the foul that he gave up, yeah, it was a poor foul to give up in the first place, especially who the player was that you were giving it to comes party isn't going to hurt you from there. And the other side of it is you're only a few minutes, it was 41 minutes. You know what I mean? You're only a few minutes. You need we at the time we desperately needed half time, you know, we desperately needed half time. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we did. I see a lot of comments here from everybody that's watching, which again, thank you everybody for watching. Please hit the like button. If you're in here watching, if you're not a regular, I see some not so common names in here. We've got a few opposition fans in here, which is always lovely to see. Thank you for joining us on the show. Hit the like button. I'm a member. If you want it's $3.99 a month, you get access to all the shows live, you get into the chat for all the shows live, which is worth the value on its own right there. But people talking about the off sides and how long it took. And I'm presuming a fair number of people watched a classical yesterday with Kylie and Mbappe being caught offside 100 times the times or whatever it was, but just how much quicker and more seamless the semi-automated off sides is to his turn and playing in La League. It is ridiculous because that was an extremely long bar check. And to go back to, yeah, when, when it can not say, I can't remember all the games kind of blurred together after a moment, but it was a hokey-pokey leg from Virgil. Just a little bit too far back, much like cannotes was. And then I wrote there, we looked shook here. We need to get into halftime. And thankfully, we got into halftime actually. And I will just say, I desperately wanted to see Sobosci come on from McAllister. McAllister was on the yellow card. I thought he looked a little bit off the pace of the game. And I wanted to see Curtis Jones go back into that left sided six position and give Andy Robertson some help with Bikai Osaka because it felt like they were coming down that side of us every single time, but halftime subs don't happen all that often. What were your feelings that happened? I mean, my feelings were basically that we had no standout players whatsoever. I mean, I genuinely don't think there was anyone that like rose above the rest in that first half. I think there were a few players that were proficient. But in terms of grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck and actually injecting some pace and energy, I think the game was screaming for it. So in terms of substitutes, I thought, yeah, like, you know, anything is better than what we've got right now. I mean, I was just I was really surprised at the pace that we were going at. I think that we've talked about being slow and controlled and methodical and and all of these things and and maybe it is just getting used to this style and accepting that this might be the slot way. But there were points in that first half where I was like, thinking to myself, clap would never have allowed this clap would never have allowed this level of energy and performance in this first half. And whether or not that's tactical so that the team has gas left in the tank for the second half or what I don't I don't know. But I was just I was really just annoyed with kind of the effort that was being put in by our players. And I again, I don't know if that's tactical if that was on purpose. If it was, you know, I'm sure that there's smarter people than me making those decisions. But as a viewer, I just felt like we were getting dominated and I didn't like seeing that like I didn't like seeing that even though we were the away team and and I understand that the onus was on Arsenal to get the win today. I don't know. I just thought we were very, very safe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Chris, the other thing I had besides wanting to see a little shake up at halftime, which, you know, pretty much everybody calls for an almost never ever happens was that I felt it was time for Arna's lot to show some of his minerals to get the team in at halftime and change around how we were playing because you can't have a much worse first half than we did. No, I think it fell second off, although I think it took about 15 minutes to get going because of the Phantom injuries and then some actual injuries, which was quite a good thing. He seemed to ask Joe to drop a bit deeper and make it more of a three. And I think that that helped just get us on the ball and break from a bit deeper and that did get us on the ball a bit more. If I'm honest, things turned up when you made the subs. I thought gap was more effective when he came up. I thought subs like gave us a bit more energy. And to refer to Supercast, I thought, Supercast did well when he came up, I think what helped. It looked like Arsenal, I've got to phrase this, we're back into the shells. I'm trying to be polite, but they stopped attacking. They just did the city thing, which is, right, we're not going to attack them, we're just going to sit back and listen, that's attack, that's fine, because of that habits pulled why the rights against our left, so he's not as quick as Saka and Saka a bit more central. But I just felt with Arsenal, if you were an Arsenal fan, they also will be kicking themselves going. Liverpool weren't quite at their level for a good 60+ minutes today. And you didn't go for the third to kill it, which again was a question mark he asked about the city game, which was like, he didn't leave any pace on up front just on the off chance of a breakwater, maybe for a bit more pressure on the city. When you went 10 then against Bournemouth, you didn't, you took a pace option off straight away, you're still a better side than Bournemouth, they seem to be too keen about not going for the attack. And I think it always eventually hurts, because I think every time they've done that so far this year, it's hurting, so I feel like they missed an opportunity as well as we did. Yeah. Yeah, I think both teams can be disappointed in getting a draw, but both teams can also be happy with getting a point from that. Yeah, I think that always rolls in them, I think. Yeah, I definitely think it's a better point for us than it is for them, especially considering the first half performance. 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There are two absolutely fantastic charities doing really good work for people that are down and out and need help. So if you can help us, help them, help other people, then that's the sort of behavior that makes the world go around. Kev, first note I have from the second half, I'm going to use the name that Ashley gave him by accident in the summertime, Spike Hasselhoff, with a yellow card. I have absolutely like, he'll never be. Oh, okay, well, I've altered it because Hasselhoff is even better. I'm never going to call him Spike Hasselhoff with a yellow card, and I mean, just to round it off, where's the one that you had here, Ashley, about Slots, yellow cards. Slots got a yellow card later. He said afterwards, they always fell down when they had ball possession. I said to Ibu, this is a fucking joke. The fourth official thought I was talking to him and I got a yellow for it. I love Arneslot a little bit more than before, but I mean, he's right. Yeah. I mean, I'm Kev, like, it was dark arts. I don't know if it was a telegram or what's after somebody was like, is he actually hurt or is this just dark arts? And it's like, it's dark arts, as it turns out, Kev, Gabriel, he was hurt, he was hurt. But there was an awful lot of going down under very soft vowels, no fouls at all, and the dark arts from, as somebody called him in the chat there, Michael Simione. Yeah. It's something that we don't do any of enough of, and no problem with Arsenal doing it, to be fair. Your two went up, you need the win, you need to take all the sting out of the game any momentum that we were trying to build. You have to find ways to take it out of the game, and that's how they decided to do it. I honestly thought that Gabriel was just trying it on, to be honest, the first time he went down. But that had two minutes out of clocks right away, you know. It's frustrating part of football, and unless the referees clamp down on a quick, it will come in more and more as players guess to situations in the season where they're playing so much football, that it becomes understandable that they're picking up niggles here and there, and they're able to sell it a bit better. I mean, he booked Raya on about 65 minutes for time wasted, so it was clear as day what Arsenal were going to do. I mean, we did change straight away at the start of the first half. Chris spotted it with the revert into the back three and playing out from the back. You know, what we've been doing all season long that has been really successful for us is drawing sights on to play around them, and the first half we were nowhere near brave enough to do it. We were outnumbered in midfield 4 and 5 v3 at stages because Arsenal's front two dropped in to make extra midfielders, and we couldn't work out how to get out of it. Come out in the start of the second half, and he worked the boys away getting out through the back, and we started playing through the lines, and we started to work our way into the game. It's, you know, I watched a lot of football this weekend, and it's creeping into the game more and more. Gabriel goes down, injured, whatever's wrong with him, you know, he's packed on his knee. He stays on for another five minutes while his replacement is warming up, and then comes on. And it happens a lot more than the people spot now, where players are going to be coming off injured, but they'll wait until their replacement warms up, hobble around the pitch for faners, for Chelsea today, I thought was going to come off and do the same thing. But it was, it's a strange one for me, because if you've got a problem with your knee, and you're down to one of your two senior centre backs, and you're going to have to make a change, then you can't risk him further injuring himself by staying on the pitch. That's just daft. But no, look, none of that happened in the second half. A lot of that happened throughout the game. Neither keeper were really busy. Arsenal had two shots on target in the first half and scored for both. And I don't think Kelleher could do anything about either. So Kelleher, other than that, Bar, when he was hoofting it long, had virtually nothing to do. It was a very quiet game for him, and in the same, it was the same for Red, had virtually no real meaningful safe to make. The Volvo XC6D plug-in hybrid is about performance, not just on the road, but in life, with not only trunk space, but room to make memories. It's electric, with a backup plan, where the only speed that matters is how fast you can slow down. The Volvo XC6D plug-in hybrid, performance where it matters the most. Visit VolvoCars.com/US to learn more. Botox Cosmetic, out of botulinum toxin A, FDA approved for over 20 years. So talk to your specialist to see if Botox Cosmetic is right for you. 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But the game – Arsenal were happy with the game Me and Riga Long, but the changes they had to make, they were happy to sit in the shell and defend in the low block 442 and just try to see it out. And we weren't – I felt that we weren't anywhere near patient enough in trying to pick the lock to get in around them. We either didn't work good crossing, good areas to cross for from, or we were taking part shots from outside the box when it just needed us to be a bit more patient. You know, pin them in, keep making them run, and ultimately I thought the mistake will come. You know, I mean, as – and you could tell, by the way, the second half was drifting along. It was passing that cross-field switch pass that he makes effortlessly all the time. It was on – half a dozen times, he didn't complete one. It was – I've never seen them throw a right leg at a ball. And I was roaring at the telly, just stop doing it because it's just not on, it's not happening for you. I've never seen him pass a ball so badly. I don't think ever, then he did today in those cross-field switch passes. They just didn't pan out at all. I've never seen them be that bad of them. Virgil was doing it from the other side, and even he – his radar was off. You know, it was either too close to the touchline, or it was going out. I just couldn't get Salah on the ball anywhere near enough. It was just a really, really frustrating game to watch up until about 10 minutes ago. Yeah. It's – the thing about Trent – and I'll come to you with this one, actually, because it was mine. And I was like, "Well, I absolutely cursed them because when we did our preview show, I said the Trent's going to be man of the match because I like he was playing mid-week against Leipzig, and – actually, it was funny for previous shows." I said to myself, I was like, "I'm never doing that. Who do you think is going to be a man of the match? Bullshit, ever again, because that was a fucking kiss of death." Because Kev is right, those passes in through the middle, and I think anybody that watched the game would have picked it out, but I'm used to seeing Trent misplay those passes by putting them long out into touch for a throw-in. And I would have killed for that to happen, because he was under hitting them, directly into the middle of the park, where Arsenal was picking the ball up, and then unlike against Leipzig, where he was making four passes through the middle of the park, or dawdling on the ball too long in possession and turning it over against Leipzig, he was rushing back, picking the ball off, or, you know, Kanate was getting in, making the tackle, Trent was getting the ball, and then we're turning it around, going the other way. That wasn't coming off today, but it is. I mean, Kev is saying it's the worst game of passing you'll ever see, maybe, from Trent Alexander Arnold, but he gets two pre-assists. So like, it was a very strange game from Trent because he was terrible, and yet he had a direct hand in both of our goals. Yeah, I think the one thing that I'll use sort of as like a maybe this was going on, I don't know, is we've heard from Scott that Trent's carrying an injury. We don't know what that injury is, but I would say from about 75 minutes on, he looked absolutely exhausted, and I think that today was a game where I think Connor Bradley probably would have come on if he was available off the bench. I don't think that the injury necessarily impacted his passing. I don't know. I think that was just him having a bad day with his radar off, and we've seen that before. We've seen him have his radar off before, and kind of, I think in these big games where there's a lot of pressure, sometimes the team still seems to rush the pass, and I think that's the one thing that slot is trying to kind of force out of some of these players, but I think when the pressure's on, we see them kind of fall back onto old habits, and they try to force those balls, those wonder balls. And when they come off, they look great, and they came off twice. We got goals, so you know, you can't cut them completely out of the game, but I do think that when we're under pressure, you see, especially Trent, like trying to pull off passes that are never really there, and it is absolutely infuriating to watch, because a lot of times those have passes that we aren't set up to defend if Arsenal take possession of the ball, and I think that's where you get a lot of really dangerous turnovers in the middle of the park, and we had, there was one where, I think it was Kev sent a message in our telegram group, where he was just like, for fuck's sake, Trent, like that was horrible. And there were probably about four or five different examples. That would have been around the 74, 75, 76 minute mark, because there were three of them that I have noted there, I'm like, what are you doing? It was awful. So yeah, it was one of those games, hopefully it was just one game, and he can, you know, get his radar back on next, next game around. Yeah, it's very up and down, Chris, and I mean, seeing as we're talking about our right back, I think we need to give a little bit of credit to Arsenal's right back because most people would have picked out Thomas party at right back as a weak link that we could exploit. I thought he was maybe mad at the match today, I thought Thomas party was absolutely excellent, but when they have to make the change on 53 minutes and bring KVR on for Gabrielle, I put down on my notes like, this is the chance here, go equalize and win the game. They've got effectively four fullbacks on the pitch. I thought the momentum was with us there. He didn't do jack shit with it for 25 minutes, and then just shortly after my comms point out that Liverpool have not scored a last 15 minute goal under Arniss lot, would you know it? But it comes from, I don't know if it was on the show before the show, Kev saying nobody had a good game. I thought Ibu Kanate, I'm going to go early with it, I thought he was my man of the match today. Oh, he stayed with my thinking. I said that before. Look at me, I'm the captain now. I'm the captain. Get off it. You know, he puts an incredible block in on the edge of the box. He lays it off the Trent Trent with a wonderful ball, the Darwin Nunez, and in terms of acting wise, it was about the only good thing Darwin did all day. Excellent defensively again from Darwin, but he needs to contribute more going forward and then Darwin. He needs the balls to go. Two sets of Darwin. He needs the ball to do something, you know, but he did get the ball, you know, he fed off scraps and to be fair, so he just, you know, did the donkey where he, you know, but listen, he got his chance stayed on side, which is always a big, big plus, and spots mo and motors, what mo does, which is 11 goals in 15 Premier League games against Arsenal and equaling Robbie Fowler as the eighth top goal score with 163 goals in over a hundred fewer matches, which that's unbelievable. For a winger, it's ridiculous. It beggars belief, doesn't it, Kev? I mean, just the, the, not just the sheer output, but the output in big games. Yes. That's all it puts in. I mean, that goal was typified by the accuracy of the passing Trent, Trent's ball into Darwin was inch perfect. If I was an Arsenal fan, I'm looking at Bin White, screaming at him, you can see Darwin stop. Why are you, why are you going with it? Just let him run off site. But Darwin, times is run perfectly and to have the mouse to slow down, to put the ball across, again, inch perfect pass, all mo had to do was meet it and, and slot it into the compost that it was, it wanted to go to, you know, there was nothing complicated about the finish and it was a lovely goal, it was, it was, it was, I think the first goal and the last goal were the two best goals of the game, but it was a beautiful finish, it was a beautiful goal from start to finish and it just goes to show, I'd say that goal from the bot, the time the ball left Trent's foot, the time he was in the back of the net was about six seconds, you know, it was that quick, but it was all down to the accuracy of the passing, pure and simple and for the basis of what we did in the second half, I think we deserved to come out of that game with something, because for a game, this early in the season, I think it's a really important game, I know it's three points and all three points at the same value, but I just felt today that for us, it was, do not lose, and all costs don't lose, for Arsenal, I think Arsenal needed to win, to be fair, you know, it asked how this game penned out, because for all of the bluster and Huff and Puff and how average we were in many aspects, they didn't cause us enough problems, and the flip side is we didn't do the same, you know, and I think we'll learn a lot more, slot will learn a lot more, I think about the squad, about the core squad, the fact that he asked a vast majority of that starting 11 today, to do three back-to-back, high-intense games in a week, I think if we were playing in Europe again mid-week, I don't think that 11 starts, yeah. I think he gambled today on the fact that it's bright in the league cup next week, and he'll make massive amount of changes, but he broke in this seven-game block into two games of three, and one in the middle to make massive rotation, and he'll try to give as many players as possible a week to try to recover, because some of them definitely needed, you could tell by the, Trent was one example, but there were others, there's definitely players that need a break this week. Yeah, yeah, and that was early on in the show, I saved it here, where did it go, Rotors 007, I don't think they're, I haven't seen them in the chat at least, since they put this comment in 40 minutes ago, but says, "My mighty seagulls are coming for you, give us a weak team on Wednesday, and we'll let you win at the weekend, lads," to which I responded, "Soul," because you're getting a weak team in mid-week, you're gonna get Tyler Moore, being careful on the bench, I don't know if we need to go, I don't know if we need to go quite that. We're not coming off, we're just going to get a seat for the bunch. I'll carry this one, actually, I'm not running onto the bench either. You brought up a very good talking point for us here for the end that the Arsenal fans are going mental over the foul call before the ball went in the net in 89 minutes. Just before that though, just before that though, a perfect strike turn from Kelleher. Oh, the Kelleher, what a strike turn. It was just delightful. It's been hard needed to palpitate a little bit more. Just shades of net Phillips at the San Siro, that one was, but this moment where the ball ends up in our net, and I mean Anthony Taylor, who had a middling game, I felt he was calling especially Diaz against Parte in the first half under the long balls that we were pumping forward from Kelleher and from the center halves, any little push in the back or anything like that, he was blowing up for. And what Kivior did against, I'm sure with Saba Sly, I think that he challenged for the high ball, it's a foul all day, every day. I mean, the whistle has gone, like there, that is where the game ends, that is no matter what happens, it doesn't matter if you score a goal after the whistle, like that's the rule of the game. I think they're just looking for something to cling onto. I understand, I do think that, you know, I would be bitter if I was an Arsenal fan and I didn't win that game, because I think they had every opportunity to win the game. I think we did not capitalize on their defensive frailties, and I would be pissed. So a lot of times when I am disgruntled after a bad result, I cling to little instances, and I get it, like the ball did roll over the line, but the whistle was blown. So there's nothing you can do about it. The same way there was nothing that we could do anything about, you know, Diaz's goal that was legitimate being rolled off, we still had to suck it up and bear it. So I have very little sympathy for them, but it is a talking point. Yeah, and I don't think you're going to get a ton of sympathy for the Arsenal fans amongst Liverpool fans, especially with their absolute cry-arse behavior. Anytime anybody move to the ball or, you know, delay to throw in by a half a second. That's because the comms for us were trying to jump on that. I mean, first, my team was going, yeah, yes, kick it away. He goes, so is that a yellow mic? He goes, well, no, except because Arsenal even set to take the free kick set. No, is that the centre back said having got into the box yet for the free kick? He said, so it's not delay in the restart. He goes, the rules delaying the restarts are not kicking them all the way. I was like, yeah, I mean, I love that this loud goal, because you could see he was full teacher, Taylor, like, stood like a teapot, like a sugar ball, you know, hands on hips. And the scene goes like the whistle went ages ago, because you can tell, like, no, they've looked players up off the keeper, react. So wait, I'm going to be a little personal because the whistle is kicking them all the way. So they didn't get a free kick being taken. Yeah, they should have, I think he's got a yellow, so the approach just sets it off. Even Gabrielle Jez used to react. Gabrielle Jez used didn't even react when the ball went in. He knew. Because the whistle was echoing in his empty head. I mean, the thing is, a few minutes before that, they had a good chance from the edge, from outside the box. They'd work the good space between, I think, was Trossard and Martinelli. And the ball came in, and it was rifled in, and Kelleher just grabbed it with two hands and launched the ball to go straight out onto the left way. It was a good reaction save. I see the second half, really, Arsenal didn't really do much to go and win this win. I think they'll regret not looking for a third to finish the game, because I think that's two points dropped for them, rather, and it's a point game for us. Yeah. Yeah, I think that kind of wraps it up nicely, that given how we performed, which was shockingly poor, especially in the first half, that Arsenal should have taken that, especially considering that all of their horrific injuries had been miraculously cured by the time the game kicked off. So, yeah, I'm going to come around and get everybody's man of the match for me. But before we do that, I'll zip through Ashley's post match quotes that she's got here for us. Virgil, post match saying, "Listen, it's a very tough place to come." They created a solid team and make it difficult for everyone to come back twice as a good thing. And we move on. Virgil goes on to say, "But I repeated that already. There we are." He says, "You play here in London. They have the fans behind them. They created some momentum. You have to be ready to fight, because you will have some tough moments. One point, we will take it." The interviewer then asked him, "Did you sense anxiety when Gabriel went down?" Another Arsenal player injured, to which Virgil replied, "Another player. They only have two injuries, and that's our captain." He's absolutely beautiful. But then Ashley of course confirms that Califiori will be out for a few weeks after further test confirmed his injury, which if you saw the action where he got injured, I don't think you're going to be too surprised on that. Yeah, he looked quite bad. Arnes Lott, Kenate doesn't always get the credit he deserves. He's also somewhat responsible for that when he tried to claim a man of the match award after he had given the ball away for a goal. I like that, though. I think it's absolutely fantastic, because I think if it wasn't for the performances that Ryan Grattenberg has been putting in, he's been our player this season so far. Virgil on his contract situation, because heaven forbid, we go a week without going through the contract things. He says, "I'm very calm. Let's see what happens towards the end of the season. I'm enjoying my football physically and mentally. Keep enjoying the game, because it's a beautiful game that we play and I play, which is the most politician answer you could possibly get." On the title race, Virgil says, "City lost here and they won the league. I've read so many things that Arsenal are out of the title race if they lose. We're in the business where you hope you can be on top one week and then not. Let's see what it brings us at the end of the season. Enjoy the ride." Arne Slott asked the same question about us being title contenders. He says, "I know you guys like to talk about title contenders. It's part of the job. Can you get a result in a difficult way game is this one? The way we did it pleased me a lot. The way we can compete with such a strong Arsenal team in their stadium is pleasing to the she, but where that ends up leading to I can't shake." Then Michael Artetta being a little lego-headed bastard says, "We were the better team. It should have been a bigger score in the first half. They came out in the second half. We didn't have courage. In the first phase, we needed more courage to play. We created big opportunities. Poor Arsenal. I mean, first, they'd have a massive injury crisis where they have 37 injuries and now they don't have any courage. Who? Who? Who? The man of the match and if it's Ibu Kanate, give me somebody else." "Okay. Well, I did claim Ibu as a man of the match in a pre-game." "We'll get to claim him. We'll get to claim him." "You know what? He's a proper rogue, actually." "Okay. Yeah. Well, you can have him. It's fine. I am going to give it to Mo because I think that there's a lot of games this season that we have kind of glossed over him because he is always producing for us. But to continue to produce against top six teams and to get us these results, I think we're going to miss him when he's gone. And I think he just, it's a little bit of extra attention." "I like that. I like that. Chris, presumably the correct answer is Ibu Kanate, but who else did you like?" "Hey, Fagan says Virgil." "Yeah. Virgil's good, actually. I think it's a partnership. They've been good, so it's probably a good point to have them both attend them. So yeah. I'll go with Virgil. Plus he kicked the adverts, which also was really pissed ass of hands off because they think he should have been a red card, which is also awesome." "Of course it should have been a red card. Kevin, how about you?" "Look, for a game like that, I don't think there was anyone that stood out. I don't think there was anyone that stood out above anyone else. So you're looking for moments. I think for me, Darwin Nunes, his work with is one thing, but he's that run and that pass across to Salah. Yeah, I give him an honorable mention for sure." "Yeah. Yeah. It's another game where the defensive contributions that Darwin Nunes is putting in are, it's above and beyond what I expected from him. And I'm absolutely... The amount of times he ended up at right back today, I'm sure he's under instruction to come back a bit. I'm pretty sure he's not under instruction to come back to the edge of your 60 yard line on the right edge near the sideline and try to help Trent out of a spot with Martin Ellie and then have the energy to be up the other end, to make the right decision on 80 minutes. You know, that's for me, I think, is something that goes on the right end. It's all well and good, you know, having the lungs to be able to do it, but having the mentality to be able to slow yourself down and pick the pass for a striker whose instinct would have been to take that ball out of his foot and have a latch of it, you know, to see the pass and to make the pass. Yeah, I'm impressed with that." "Yeah. It's Thor to the dyslexic polyglot is wondering, is Nunez maturing, which I don't think is a word, but I think he'd be maturing. And I would say he is because it was I think the second minute, hold on, let me check the notes. Yeah, the second minute that he went in with Gabriel, and it seemed like it was going to be one of those bitty ones, then he ends up getting a yellow card, I mean, the yellow card came in the 94th minute, but my first instinct two years ago would be to worry about Darwin Nunez in those situations. But he's showing last game and this game that he's he is maturing, Thor. I think I think that's correct, he is maturing. Somebody else here, Roy Beard says, "Slotsubs have had the mirror opposite effect of ten hogs, united in 14th, happy Sunday. We've covered Liverpool off, we've got a few minutes left. Ashley, any thoughts about the earlier matches today? Because there were some late goals and some drama wasn't there." Yeah, I was not watching particularly closely, I just had it on the background while I was making myself some food. But any day that Nunez loses is a good day, so yeah. They did and it was in contentious fashion. Did you watch any of the early games, Chris? I saw bits of Chelsea Newcastle, which was all right, not great. I watched quite a few of the Saturday games, which were grateful. Yeah, the Saturday. Unfortunately, for me, I said I'm going to stick with the Villa Borg, I thought this is quite an exciting game. And then as Roy, that was Brent for this, which I was gutted, I missed that. So what's the highlights for that? It was a great week, actually, just for late goals and drama and, you know, session for a week, you know, actually a decent weekend of football. I had a man United getting beat by Westam who hadn't won a game in ages. Yeah. I mean, Kev, I'm not sure how much of it you were across, a man United can feel aggrieved. It was a rather silly penalty that they conceded. I absolutely loved it because as you told me, the C word and the R word, there's no such thing as consistency amongst the referees in the league. So you may as well just revel in it when it goes against your rivals, but I was, I called it before it kicked off. I thought Crystal Palace could do something against Spurs. That's a big win for Palace at the bottom. Massive. They desperately needed that win. I mean, Spurs, the Spurs, they'll puff and puff, and they'll pull off some extraordinary performances through the season, but ultimately did just lack staying power. That decision, that when people watch that back in match of the dates and either wherever they're going to watch their highlights from, that's an absolutely disgraceful decision. That penalty should, the fact that was given as a penalty by VAR should lead to officials being suspended because that will happen. They will do that to other clubs. They will do that towards this season. It's an absolute thundering disgrace that they can get it that badly wrong. The thing is, I don't care who it's against. That kind of a decision is happening too frequently now, and the PGM oil are a thundering disgrace. That leads us in nicely because it seems like every week, every show we do, that there's another talking point about the PGM oil, and if you want to come back for some more where I'm sure they will talk about it, Gavin, two, maybe three of the lads will be back here in just over an hour to do the Sunday night, 10 o'clock show to go through the Liverpool game and broader strokes and touch on some of the big talking points from the weekend. I get the feeling that that one will come up, but I will say the thing that made me the angriest this weekend, and that includes Liverpool not getting the three points at Arsenal, was the fact that Maverick Panos was given a yellow card against the tackle on Alejandro Garnacho when he was offside when we were told specifically that you cannot give cards for play that happens after a ball is offside when Jordan Pickford folded Virgil Van Dyke's fucking knee in half. So I would love to know from the PGM oil when that directive changed that Maverick Panos can get a yellow card for a tackle on a player that was a judge to have been offside because they took the free kick, West Ham took the free kick. It literally changed after the Virgil Van Dyke incident, they changed the rolling on it because it was a white line in the sand that the whistle has gone so what you're saying is basically I can just walk out to someone, knock them sideways and there's nothing that you can do about it. Why didn't get, I didn't get the memo apparently, I didn't get the memo. They did change it after that. And to answer Madja Apple, we do not change our clocks where I live because daylight savings times is one of the stupidest things in the entire world. It's almost as stupid as listening to the arsenal injury bullshit that comes out with them before the matches because lo and behold, all their players pretty much were fit and ready to go. But it finished at the Emirates, Arsenal 2, Liverpool 2, everybody can be disappointed, everybody can be happy to come away with the point. We will be absolutely happy if you can help us donate to our two charities. We also have Football Prizes.co.uk that still have two hospitality tickets to Liverpool hosting Real Madrid in the Champions League available. The contest runs for another day and a half, maybe two days, something like that. So get in there and join it. But other than that, thank you very much for joining us. Hit the like button, notification bell, subscribe if you want to become a member. We'll see many of you back here in about an hour or so when Gavre here for the Sunday night show. Thank you, Ashley. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Kev. This has been the Talking Talk. We'll see you after the next game. Bye. [MUSIC] This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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