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(upbeat music) - We have to stop, but I don't ask it if the war is too far. - I don't know what I said. - I do not have sexual relations with everyone. (upbeat music) - I will chance that certain people we could death. The war possesses weapons of mass destruction. I alone attacks will be carried out by no kind. (upbeat music) ♪ I remember that we were too long to escape ♪ ♪ We are still fear ♪ ♪ We have to say yes to you ♪ ♪ We are too long to escape ♪ ♪ We are too long to escape ♪ - Back in the morning, no, it's a big flow. - You ain't in it. (upbeat music) ♪ Oh, ladies, gentlemen, boys, girls, welcome to the system is down ♪ - I'm, I'm joined by Dave as always, Dave. (upbeat music) Dave, Dave from Delaware. - All right, Dave. - What it is, I'm doing great, bro. Jazzed up today, love the early stuff. Got my cup of coffee here. I normally, I normally love the early stuff, as you know. Today is an exception for I feel like shit today, Dave, because I got a grand total of three and a half hours of sleep last night. - Don't tell me why you only got three hours. Were you working very hard on some tired, Dave? I'm tired of bullshit. I'm tired of dog shit. I'm tired of all the shits. My dogs, the last two mornings have one of them. One of the two dogs. So two dogs sleep together, same kennel. They both have a kennel, but they like to sleep together. But once they sleep together, no matter who's doing the shitting, they all share in the shit storm that is come. So yesterday morning at like 5.30, I got up and took out the kennel and the dog covered in shit and gave the dog a bath. And then we went to church, Dave, because we're good. We're good Christian conservative Republicans around here. And then after, in the afternoon, we got back, and the dog had been let out during the day, and the dog had still shit in her kennel again yesterday afternoon. And then this morning, at 5.30, somewhere in the time is meaningless at this point, but at like clockwork, she shut in her kennel again, which is currently sitting outside. So Dave, I am tired of dog shit. I am tired of bullshit. I'm tired of all this stuff. I'm even getting to the point where I'm like, OK, let's wrap this up. Like, I'm one of the few people who's like, let's stretch out this election cycle. Let's keep this going, because I enjoy it. I have some sort of sick fetish for it or something. But yeah, even I'm getting to the point where it's like, all right, guys, let's move along. Anyway, so a beautiful night of cleaning up feces repeatedly. OK, all right, have you ever thought about getting rid of one of those dogs? Maybe you got one too many dogs? No, Dave. I love them dearly. All you got to do is just put it back in the shopping cart on the website. You got it, hit return, and they'll come back. Just box it up and slap the label on it. And Amazon will take it right back. It's no big deal. And just real quick, shout out to Alex Schilagel, who's in the comments. I'm using the old trusty libertarian party of Maryland coffee cup that we got when we were hanging out with those guys. So shout out to him when those dudes. We've already got-- oh, wait. No, it's not a fake super chat. It's a faker-terians. Faker-terians definitely has CIA asset vibes. I literally thought that was a fake super chat, and I'm very tired. So bear with me. We're going to talk about shit still, because there's plenty of shit to talk about. Libertarians are going to be brought up more than they deserve today, but not as much as they deserve at the same time somehow. 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And sign up for the Downers Club, where you will not only support the show, but you'll get more weird, more raw, more offensive, more weekly content. Generally weekly, we're not doing one today on reasons that I am very tired, and there is nothing that I want to talk about in the after party. But this might not be the last thing that we do this week, so go join. And you can also find out why last week we questioned whether or not Dave Smith was endorsing Kamala Harris. And the week before that, we questioned whether or not Ian Carroll was a Fed. So if you want to get all those fun things and all the back log, go on over to patreon.com/thesystemasdown, today. And stuff. All right, we're back. [APPLAUSE] All right, Dave, last week, we did a show, like, what was it? Thursday, Wednesday, something like that? Yeah, Wednesday, I think. Yeah. So it's only been just a little over half a week. And last time, I was like, you know, there's not a ton to talk about. It's been a fairly slow news cycle. And then in the next three days, Donald Trump went on Joe Rogan and out-shadowed himself by going and playing Madison Square Garden the next night with everybody and his brother there. But, you know, lots have been going on. I do want to start with this. So Kamala Harris did a town hall. We're not going to-- like, I want to spend an hour talking about each one of these things individually, but we don't-- we're not going to. We don't have time to. And also, who gives a shit? Kamala Harris has done a bunch of interviews that were all train wrecks. Donald Trump has done a bunch of interviews that were Donald Trump on cool shows. I want to say that they're mind-blowingly amazing interviews or anything, but it's Donald Trump being a human, very humanizing on the Joe Rogan show. But on Kamala Harris' town hall that everybody was talking about a couple days ago, which feels like an intern day ago, she had a whole lot of Kamala word salad. And there was one in particular that I wanted to share. Because it contrasts well with something that Donald Trump said on the Joe Rogan show. But here's Kamala Harris being asked what her weaknesses are. Is there something you can point to in your life, political life, or in your life in the last four years that you think is a mistake that you have learned from? I mean, I've made many mistakes, and they range from, you know, if you've ever parented a child, you know you make a life. She hasn't, by the way. She has not parented a child. Her stepchildren were adults when they came to her. Some mistakes, too. In my role as vice president, I mean, I've probably worked very hard at making sure that I am well versed on issues. And I think that is very important. It's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question. Impressive. Impressive. You know, when you're in that kind of situation in order to have such quick-witted answers-- You need-- That's a better clip. But-- You need to shut the fuck up. I was going for something. Here it is. You got to be able to pew. Yeah, I'm off my game today. It's all right. But yeah, basically her answer was, when asked, what were some mistakes that you made while in office, her answer was, well, people know about mistakes. You've seen mistakes before. Parenting is a mistake. You know that by my abortion bill. Parenting is a mistake. And also, it would be a mistake to-- She basically said, it's a mistake to go into any question that you don't know the answer to, which was the end of her answer to a question that she didn't know the answer to. And the fact that you can't-- I know it's kind of a stupid question, because who wants to answer, like, what was your biggest failure in life? Like, I don't know. Nobody wants to say that. Call her out on her many failures, because we know that there are many. But yeah, her answer is basically, my biggest failure, so far, is doing this interview, because I don't know the answer to that question. You could have literally said anything. Like, it could have been, I don't know, I don't know. Afghanistan? Like, you could give at least a wink and a nod to the fact that you fucked that up real good. Any thoughts, Dave? I shouldn't have called Joe Biden a furious racist when I debated him on the stage. Right before becoming his running mate. Yeah, I figure, yeah, I owe him one for that one. But, you know, that was a mistake, I guess. Yeah. And how do you, like, of all the nothing-burger questions to be asked to not be able to answer, to come up with something? Like, it just says that you're not a good politician, because any good politician can come up with an answer to the question of, have you ever done something that wasn't amazing? Dude, she obviously, she doesn't know how to puke. That's the thing. She doesn't know how to do that. You've got to be able to puke and she can't. You know who does? You know who doesn't know how to puke, Dave, who that? Well, here's Donald Trump being asked basically at the same, or answering basically the same question on Joe Rogan a couple days later. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people. I picked some great people, you know. But you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. Nia cons? Yeah, nia cons, or bad people, or just loyal people, or-- People that were just bad. People that weren't, because people got that advice. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, you reading about them a little bit today, a guy like Kelly, who was a bully, a bully, but a weak person, you know. You know more about bullies than anybody, probably, around, because you deal in a certain sport, where the bullies are exposed very quickly. Yeah. But you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me, because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton, you know John Bolton. A friend of mine called me up. I was picking Bolton, and he's a very smart guy. His name's Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas. One of the-- he's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player. You know, he's just a natural poker sense, right? You know, a good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of a guy, and very one of the richest people around. He's weaving. He's off on his tangents. He's got great success. He'll be back down to his people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton, or a big Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him. He's a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics at all. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just-- it always works out bad with that guy. And I said, ah, I wish you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired him. You know, he's here. And he was right, but he was good in a certain way. He's a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this-- Basically what he's saying is, John Bolton is Donald Trump's Donald Trump. He's the guy that everybody is afraid is going to blow things up. And if you're using him to that degree to intimidate people, it's good, but also a judge up. But that is kind of a better term. It's kind of 4D chess. Like, he's telling you, oh, yeah, they told me this guy's a fucking psycho. But when I'm hanging around President Xi, they don't fuck with me because I got John Bolton by. But they don't know-- He thinks about that like the art of war. I'm standing next to this crazy person who you think at any time might do so. That is actually the best reason I've ever heard to have John Bolton around you. President Kerry's a big stick. His name is John Bolton. I do appreciate that he did call John Bolton a nut job and an idiot or whatever. But yeah, the main point, we'll get a little bit more into some of this stuff later. But I did want to just kind of contrast the two because given those two answers to basically the same question, Kamala said, parenting, I shouldn't be answering this question. Donald Trump, he weaved a lot. And he Donald Trumped for two and a half minutes there. But he said legitimately, I made a mistake, a mistake in hiring John Bolton. I mean, he still kind of says it was a good mistake in some ways. But he has an answer. And we are supposed to be gaslighted into believing that Kamala Harris is a better candidate. Just something I don't want to keep in mind as we go through some of this stuff. But again, we'll come back to Trump in a little bit. Right now, I want to move on to a couple endorsements that came out over the last week. First one being the very brave and not cowardly at all, Dave Smith with this. I think I might vote for Trump. Wow, that's a bombshell of breaking news. And I'll tell you what it did. And it's funny because literally, when we finished the show yesterday, it was like an hour after we were done recording or something like that. I was just literally just on Twitter. And I saw Kamala Harris campaigning with Liz Cheney. And I'll play you the clip in a second. And I was just so disgusted by it that I was just like, it was just like, oh, fuck you. Yeah, boom. Yeah, that's the very short-- Dave Smith voting for vengeance. I like it. For those of you that are in the Downers Club, you know that we are responsible for this because hours before Dave put this out, we said in our private Patreon Downers Club episode that Dave Smith was a coward if he didn't come out. If he was going to secretly vote for Donald Trump and not say it, then he would be a coward. And I can only assume that Dave Smith is secretly one of those names on that list that are sneaking into the Downers Club to see what we're talking about. And we changed his mind, Dave. We did that. I have a feeling too. Dave Smith, you send Dan Smith five more dollars. That's right. Now, what do you think about this, Dave? Dave Smith is finally not a coward for now. I'm sure he'll come back around to coward him later on in his cowardly career. But what do you think about him coming out, making this endorsement publicly? We were told for generations that the only reason Dave Smith existed was to get Donald Trump elected. And now we see that the fake raterians and all the dipshits on the internet were right about Dave Smith. Right, Dave? Yeah, I guess so, man. I guess they were. Honestly, they can't fuck with my vibe at this point. I still see some people, oh, I told you so. It's like, really the last thing that had me hanging on to like, oh, we got to fight these dudes, is that the battle for the word libertarian. But actually, your post on that that you put on Twitter actually kind of changed my mind a little bit. We have to protect language and everything. But like the energy-- I'd share that. It's coming up on the list anyway. We should. I mean, like, we should-- Yeah, go ahead. All right, so I shared this yesterday after a bunch of bullshit that we're going to talk about today. But just to kick things off, before I read mine, I did also want to point out that Michael Heisz of dissident media also has put out a very long-winded-- [BELL RINGING] --long-winded re-statement. I say that, and I'm about to read mine, which is equally as long. But I put out a statement that he's voting for Trump. Yeah, go find that on dissident media. I would read it, but I did invite him on the show today. And he had kids and stuff and dad life. And to my children. I have to change diapers. He had good dad. Feed my spawn. All right, so here's what I put out. I said, "ah, bad. I'm not a libertarian. If this--" I'm going to-- where is easiest to read here? OK, because this is stupid and long. "If this list--" which the list doesn't exist anymore because the guy apparently didn't like that. I, quote, tweeted him, and he blocked everybody. But the list that this is in reference to-- Dale Cummings, Liberty Dad, great guy, posted something about who are some libertarians who are some people who call themselves libertarians who actually aren't. And one of the comments was like, Dave Smith, Clint Russell, and Jeremy Cuff, and then one of the comments on that was like, Dave Smith, and Tom Woods, and Ron Paul, and Eric July. And it's like, all right, this is feeling like 2016 all over again. But I wrote this. Op-ed, I'm not a libertarian. I'm not a, quote, libertarian. If this is a list of, quote, non-libertarians, then I'm not one either. Go fuck yourself. Take your label. Go play. I don't give a fuck. The word can go the way of liberal for all I care. Words have only the power that you give them. And if you insist on depleting the power of the libertarian-- the power of, quote, libertarian, so be it. Invert it, distort it, embrace pride. Hail say, in history repeats itself. All cults are for cattle. In the current political/cultural paradigm, the libertarian party at large needs to come to terms with the fact that it has become simply a miniature replica of the two-party system, big tent, accepting any disaffected, quote, rebel who, quote, doesn't like the duopoly, we agree on, quote, liberty. But when shit hits the fan, we disagree on the exact same major issues that the two major parties disagree on. But on an infinitesimally smaller scale of relevance that we will spend generations insisting will help. Thus, we are devouring ourselves far faster than the rest of the duopoly is. For years when I joined, quote, the movement-- T.M., should put trademark in there. When I joined the movement, I was told by left-leaning, quote, libertarians that people like Dave Smith, Tom Woods, Eric July Ron Paul, the entirety of the Mises Caucus, even Real Spike Cohen, and basically literally all the people who were doing the work that literally brought me into, quote, the movement, were evil racist plants to install Donald Trump. Yet I haven't seen any now supporter, many of them still aren't more reluctant to finally give into Trump, including myself. The left-leaning libertarians succeeded at thrusting chase into the LP POTUS spotlight in order to stop the evil Trump infiltrators in doing so. They ironically pushed every right-leaning libertarian straight reluctantly to Trump as the only viable vote even for protest. Meanwhile, many of the left-leaning libertarians have come out in full force to support Kamala Harris, despite getting their sparkly golden boy POTUS nomination. What's the deal? Is it because he's failed to garner any of his promised media, or is it because he's flat-out rejected any media that isn't politically niche upon niche chase-friendly? You were supposed to be the gay millennial chosen one. Or is it because you were projecting your convictions onto your libertarian opposition the whole time? They were always going to vote for Trump, you say, but no, we really weren't. This is on you. You got your guy, but you were always going to vote for Kamala Harris because you're a Democrat. And this is, quote, "the most important election of our lifetime." When you realize that chase Oliver is, let's say likely, taking dark money from Kamala Harris to defeat Donald Trump, perhaps you'll be less offended by Angela succeeding at making real Donald Trump more libertarian. Perhaps you won't see chase as the pure libertarian vote that will help you sleep better on your principles. This is politics where people generally kill other people for power, regardless of their affiliation. Theory, there are no, quote, "real libertarians" anymore because there are no real libertarians. There is only logic in system. When shit hits the fan, there aren't left-leaning libertarians. There's a spectrum of logic-leaning leftists. When shit hits the fan, there aren't right-leaning libertarians. There's a spectrum of logic-leaning conservatives. For whatever it's worth, this is not a rage quit. I don't have anything to quit. I'm a libertarian, quote, unquote, when libertarian is logical. When libertarian, quote, unquote, is anti-logic, I'm not a libertarian who cares. Be human, vote for who will realistically, potentially, advance liberty in any way in your life. If they end up not actually doing it to take solace in the fact that your vote barely fucking mattered anyway. If you vote, protest. If you protest, do it most effectively and logically. If you plan to vote, how you were told/obligated to, don't. If you're still confused and will vote for whoever you're told regardless, vote for Trump. It sucks. I get it. In three elections, this is the first time I will, thus far, reluctantly be voting for him. I am fully aware that I might regret it, at least to some degree. I didn't come to the conclusion at all lightly, and my initial conflict has largely been documented on the internet, so see for yourself. It's not my job here to convince you of anything, but to stop lying to yourself. And if you vote, vote logically. If you want to know more of my vote reasoning, feel free to reach out or just watch my show. Thanks, and this concludes our broadcast day. Thank you. Good night. [MUSIC PLAYING] I'll just say I really appreciated that from you, man. You didn't have to do that. But I like a little explanation. And I feel like you're certainly more patient with these people than I am, at least vocally. So I kind of like that you seem like you're at your wit's end with these people. That is nice. And I'll say, just like, again, to go back to Elon, I'm going to talk more about him today, but the most ironic outcome is the most likely. And as it turns out, Chase is the real matrix breaker. That's so funny. That's so funny that he burned this down. That he was the one that made everybody open off their eyes. Not just the libertarian party, but the whole-- Not the whole world. We were all sitting around, please give us something better than Trump to vote for. And then you gave us Chase. And we're like, all right, I guess. We still drug our feet for the last year of-- or at last, whatever, four months since-- I don't know when that fucking convention was at this point, six months ago, when was the convention? May, so yeah, pretty close. Yeah, we've been dragging our feet ever since then, still. It's not like we were like, well, Chase is in, so we're voting for Trump. It was a week or two ago. A couple of weeks ago that we finally both were like, fuck this. And I don't feel bad because it keeps getting better the longer it takes. So keep going. It's fine. Yeah. And whenever I look, when I see people, good people, too, that say stuff like, ah, the Mises caucus was a big failure, and it was all for nothing and blah, blah, blah. Like, I don't expect you to understand fully. There's probably some, like, ingratitude there and probably some people that just don't know how it actually works. But-- and I don't even know if I have any real way to prove this. But a lot of what you're seeing right now with the party and its influence on the other party and any kind of involvement in the unity coalition, that is all because of the Mises caucus, man, and all of our efforts. Like, it's not one person, it's not Mike Heis, it's not Angela, even those guys are great and champions of this shit. But it literally is the thousands of people who have been working for years and years and years to just kind of shift this a little bit. So I would implore you guys if you're going, ah, man, it was all for nothing and it was all stupid. It's like, just open up your eyes a little bit and see how cool this time is. This unity shit is more exciting than anything that's happened in politics my whole life, including everything I've done in seven years with the Libertarian Party. So this is just the beginning. The Libertarians might get a seat at the table. So if you're going, I don't want a seat at the table, I want a Libertarian President. You're a loser. And we don't have time to play with you in the corner and yell about principles. Like, you can go ahead. Not only can you do that, but you can, whatever, if you want to do that from the Libertarian Party and get 0.2%, go ahead. Us are these people, the people who you list is not real Libertarians, me, Dan, Smats, Rompal, Eric, July, all these people. We're going to go do other cool shit. And you can, whatever, fight on that list. What's that? Was I two people in that list? You said me, Dan. I listened to it, Smats. And maybe, it's a long list. But look, when they go over those lists and they, when they list the top three people, the people that shouldn't be in the movement and you go, oh, those are like the greatest people. Then stop fighting with them over words and go, those are the people that I align with and you can be with your friends. And you can call yourselves what you want. If you need the term, you go right ahead and take it. And if you need to call me a Republican, then I don't give a fuck about that either because I'll just keep being honest and you'll keep lying. So go ahead. But yeah, and look, the Overton window is moving. Elon just posted about the Overton window moving today or yesterday. And by the way, Overton was a Libertarian-leaning guy. So he made this window to kind of like show you how to move public opinion. And it actually is happening. So like, I'm not saying that that's because of the system is down or even Dave Smith, I'm just saying like everybody who's been pushing as hard as they can for the past. Yeah, since the Ron Paul revolution got kicked off. That's the reason you're seeing any kind of movement at all in 2024. So don't think about it like a loss. It seriously is like a, it's a huge win, but you have to have been there to understand it. And proud of you guys for making those moves. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Ron Paul said many times in his career that freedom is popular. There have been many times that it's been very hard to believe that statement. However, lately it starts to, I mean, just logic is seeming more popular. And even if you don't agree with these people on everything, be it Tulsi Gabbard, RFK, or even Donald Trump, who cares? Like, what are they offering you? As we've gone over many, many times here, who's offering you what and what can, like, what are they actually going to be able to provide you out of this deal? And Kamala Harris so far, if you're going for abortion, just like that's your main thing, go for Kamala, you got it. If you're a leftist who loves abortion, but also loves open borders, if you're an open border-terian, Kamala's not your woman. Sorry, vote for Chase. If you're, I'd lost me. Okay, now I'm frozen. All right, that's cool. Oh no. But if you want- The over to window has been frozen. If you're interested in, like, the guy who has a very high chance of winning this thing, oh wow, oh wow, what is going on here? All right, there we go. Okey-doke. We just did a colonoscopy up at Smatsy's house. No, don't turn around again. All right. Anyway, vote for Trump. That's what I'm saying. Fuck you, I'm tired. Dave, what do you got on that? Well, just to kind of like, you know, to tie it in your statement there in with the main story of today. If I may, it is, this is something I've learned too with the libertarian party, man. You are such a small group in such a big, uh, ocean of people and thought and everything else, but you just don't have the option to be a libertarian party that simply promotes libertarian values because you are always going to be susceptible to people who would rather use you as a vehicle for Republicans or as a vehicle for Democrats. And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. You're not a thing because you have no political power. So that's my central thesis thus far. We'll talk more about that, I'm sure. And I mean, like, that the whole saying, don't make like perfect the enemy of the good. Like, no, Donald Trump's not perfect, but he's not bad. Like, show me another president within the last 30 years who has had more interest in appeasing libertarians than Donald Trump in the last six months. I don't know, like we've got Donald Trump. There's been so many things lately too, where Donald Trump, I don't even have this pulled up, but Donald Trump said he was gonna abolish the income tax and replace it with just tariffs. And of course, libertarians like screeching on the internet because tariffs are still bad. It's like, yes, but right now we've got both. So what if we didn't have one? And even if tariffs make things a little bit rougher or they increase the cost of living or something, or like increase it and it even levels out a little bit, or even if it's just an experiment, let's try it. I'm willing to try getting rid of the income tax. Maybe that makes me not libertarian to not want the income tax anymore, but because tariffs are mean to other countries. I guess, do you have any thoughts on that before we get into more libertarian bullshit, Dave? - Yeah, dude, this is more of the libertarian problem. Yeah, tariffs are taxes that people pay Americans pay for. But this is the... Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Yes, right now we have both. You can have one or the other. If you had to select one, don't be the douchebag who goes, "Oh, the gun would go off 'cause they're both equal." You have to go, no, the one that affects everyone because you have to work is worse than the one that affects some things that you consume. - Right. - It's so simple. Only an idiot would have to go in the same thing. (both laugh) I mean, yeah, and it's the same as like all the Jacob Hornburger shit throughout his entire campaign, this guy around, where it's like, "What you're saying on paper?" Yeah, that's libertarianism, 101, pure and beautiful and great, and the rest of us are here in reality where we're not getting Jacob Hornburger for president, believe it or not, we're not even getting Chase Oliver for president, and we'll be lucky. We will be, God damn lucky, if we get Donald Trump for president over Kamala Harris. So bring on the tariffs, baby. I don't care right now. Just, you're a libertarian's complaining about the, a president, a former president and probable future president, if all goes well, pushing for getting rid of the income tax. There has never been a greater libertarian offer. We were getting Ross in, we had a Tony Hinchcliffe, come on, we'll get into that in a little bit too, at the Madison Square Garden thing, but he was talking about end all these senseless wars. We got like, what do you guys want to vote? Like, what would it take to get these people to vote for anybody who's not a libertarian? And I say that, but as I'm saying it, I'm realizing that a lot of them are voting for Kamala Harris. So it obviously wouldn't take too much, it just takes party politics and they're all full of shit. When you tweeted the other day that the first candidate that gets Tony, goes on the Tony Hinchcliffe show, gets your vote and then the next day I woke up and I saw Tony Hinchcliffe with a big Trump sign in front of him with 80,000 people in front of him. I was like, yeah, that's not, that might not, it's not exactly on his show, but that probably should do it first month. Yup, that's a, I mean, that's more of an endorsement than Donald Trump going on his show, it's him going on Donald Trump's show. So, all right. But again, we'll get to that later. Libertarian stuff, we gotta talk about the headline here. Let's not bury the lead any further. Chase Oliver, as we all know, is the Libertarian candidate for, Libertan president, candidate for president. And I guess I almost missed the opportunity who haven't talked about him in a while, but any time we... ♪ Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase ♪ ♪ C-H-A-S-E-J-E-S ♪ ♪ Nah ♪ ♪ Chase ♪ - That's right, it's Jason Kopp, where we do the thing where we talk about Jason Kopp, 'cause nobody else is gonna. Now, let's talk about Jason Kopp. Let's go on over to you, dissident media, who shares this. A dark money group linked to Kamala Harris campaign, attorney Mark Elias is boosting the Chase for Liberty presidential campaign through a series of YouTube ads in battleground states on apparent ploy to poll conservative votes away from real Donald Trump. Now, we're gonna watch some of these clips here, because these, as a video guy, I gotta say, I was impressed, and I've got pretty high standards. Let's see, Chase Oliver's latest ads for president, whether he likes it or not. - They don't have to do this again. There's another choice, a fiscally responsible anti-big government true conservative that will slash the budget, abolishing come taxes and dismantle the nanny state. His name is Chase Oliver, and I'm voting for him. (laughing) (upbeat music) - True conservative, Chase Oliver. He's slashing the budget, he's fiscally responsible, anti-big government true conservative slash budget, abolish income tax. - Oh, wow, and dismantle the nanny state. Now, these ads, so we don't know if Chase had any part in this, right Dave? - No, there's no evidence of collusion, bro. - I don't know, the whole thing is kind of confusing to me, whether Chase is involved in it, in its creation, or if he is not, because why would the Democrats think this is gonna work? Like who could possibly think that any Trump supporter at this point is going to see this shitty little ad and be like, oh, true conservative, gay millennial, libertarian, Chase Oliver. He's the guy, and it's not Donald Trump. Like Donald Trump, I would say a lot of conservatives, their biggest complaint about Donald Trump is he's not conservative enough. Like on the abortion stuff, he's a little bit more lax than a lot of conservatives would like him to be. So, you're telling me that somebody is like, well, Donald Trump's not quite there for me, but I'm pretty close, and then you see this Chase Oliver pieces of paper with lists on it that say things, and then you're like, wow, that's my guy now. I'm just fuck this Trump guy, Chase Oliver all the way. - Honestly, man, I'm gonna give you a little bit of pushback on that, and I'm gonna assume that Mark Elias, lawyer for Vice President Kamala Harris and lawyer for Hillary Clinton, and solicitor of the steel dossier, like this guy is a deep state stooge. Currently working with the campaign doing this stuff. So... - Not with. - For the campaign. - For the campaign. - He just had a change of heart and became a libertarian and decided to boost Chase Oliver's street cred 'cause he loves him so much. - Here's where I think that you might be missing the mark. I don't think if they're gonna play this ad and millions of Pennsylvanians are gonna see it, all they need is a few thousand 18 to 34 year old men who will see it, who might be on the fence. Not, you don't need million, you need 5,000, 10,000, couple hundred, you know, when it comes down to these tight races in the swing states. So I think that these guys who see that ad who are susceptible to it will do zero Googles, zero research and go, oh, that looks like a clean cut guy who's, you know, from what I'm from. And then just go do it, you'll just hit the third box. Third box, libertarian, clean cut, fiscal true conservative. There you go 'cause I don't like the way Trump mean tweets. There will be thousands of those people in Pennsylvania. - I don't know if I buy it. - They will do no research. They will find no pictures of Chase wearing rainbow capes and holding gay fans. - Well, let's help them then. (both laughing) I mean, there's plenty of them if we wanna pull them up. We can, but conservative Chase Oliver. Let's find our most conservative Chase Oliver picture here. There's a good one that Chase Oliver, conservative man of the people are at there. - Yo. - Just push on you as a way. Showing you as conservative pubes and package as you do. Now, whatever, I don't know, I don't know if I buy it, Dave. I do think there's a possibility that there might be some people who just vote third box. Anyway, I don't know that this is gonna be the thing that sways them to vote third box anymore than seeing the third box that has Chase Oliver there. For the person who's not. - Go ahead. - Truth, truth. - Go ahead. - Cut me off, Dave. - I'm so sorry. (both laughing) - I won't do it again. The group, I think it's truth, civic truth action, something like that. Obviously, just a fly-by-night corporation. Put this stuff out, bro, I'm pretty sure, yeah, didn't clear this with the campaign for the sole purpose of pulling votes from Trump. But dude, they didn't spend, it's not just like they had a videographer and stuff, like this went on TV. They spent $1.5 million on Chase and PA. - Sure. - Yeah. - That's a lot of money. So people were like, oh, that's not gonna work. It's gonna work a little bit. It's gotta work for $1.5 million. - Probably gonna work a little bit. - Even if it doesn't, it's still funny to point out that that's what they have to do is go show you a libertarian to pull votes away. - Yeah, what's also funny about this is that it's the inverse of the Angela strategy that everybody was so outraged about, that she would dare just, and she just said, like, vote for Chase Oliver in these states, wink, wink, which you all knew. It's fine, whatever. But yeah, this is, this is, I don't know. I know that people are sheep, I know that people are sheep, and they're gonna, they might sway some people. But even if they do, like, see this and they're like, oh, there's a third option. I'm gonna look into him a little bit. Chase Oliver has been real clean cut, and we've called him, what was his name? Like, shit, Oliver, when he puts on straight face and, you know, suit and ties it up, and slicks his hair over real nice, or puts less Paul made in his hair, so he looks like he likes women or something. I don't know how stereotypes work, but yeah, I think that even if somebody does go look into him, they might be like, oh, this guy's making some good points because I don't like Trump a little bit, but it's only gonna take a matter of time. If they do enough digging, they're gonna find the rest, and I mostly don't care. It's funny, and if there's any collusion between Chase Oliver and Kamala Harris's campaign, or her people, or people associated with her, that is the exact opposite of what Angela was being accused of the entire time, just for having Donald Trump attend our rally to hear our pleas, but yeah. There's another new Chase ad out as well from the same people, and this one is equally, if not more, retarded. - One side doesn't take us seriously. The other takes us for granted, and the media says, "Poting for the person who will eliminate income taxes "and protect freedoms is a waste." You know what I say? Screw 'em. I'm voting for Chase Oliver. One side. - Bro, listen, these guys are savvy as fuck. Listen, the way in which they frame the commercial. One side doesn't take us seriously. The other side thinks, blah, blah, blah. You're proposing this like you're a libertarian. You are not. You are a Democrat. - You're a Democrat. - No way. - Who is telling, they're not, I mean, they're not only propagandizing you into believing that both sides hate you. They're telling you the truth to some degree. They're like, we don't take you seriously. Those Republicans over there take us for granted this us. Who's this us we're talking about? But we don't take you seriously, libertarians. Just wanna let you know that out the gate. But screw us, right? Go vote for Chase Oliver, if you're considering voting for the people who take us for granted. But also, you're right, the wording is sneaky, and kinda smart, but it's also really lame at the same time. Like it's really watered down messaging of like look around at the Democrat party and the Republican party and the complaints that people have for both of them. And if you wanna boil that down to one thing, Democrats don't take us seriously and Republicans take us for granted. Yeah, that's it. That's like, it's just very weak messaging to begin with. But you're right, to the layperson who's just like, I am sick of hearing about Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, they might see this and be like, "Screw him, vote for Chase Oliver." There's a reasonable third option, I didn't know, thank you. Yeah, yep. So how much was spent on this, Dave? Did you say? $1.5 million, the receipts are in the link there. Okay. From our intrepid reporters over at Distant Media. Yep. All right, I can't scroll. Let me see if I can open it, new tavern scroll. There we go. Okay. So what are we looking at? Oh, there's the amount, $1.5 million. Who's Chase Russell? Name, oh, it's his middle name, Chase Russell Oliver. Oh, wait, did they? Wait, wait, wait. What, so did the money go? I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read this. Did they donate to Chase? Is that what it says? No. It's his name of Federal candidate. I think it's just the candidate that is being represented here. Okay, cool. Yeah, let me see, support. There's not a ton here. Has there ever been a Libertarian candidate who's had a $1.5 million ad campaign spent on him from another party, Dave? I bet you that this is not the first time. Sure. Just to make my point hit at home. That's what I'm saying. You don't have a choice in this. This is what I said to regarding Chase's, regarding this story. When Democrats tied to the VP, spend four times more on ads promoting your own campaign in key swing states, then you could raise for yourself nationwide. Yeah. You need to accept the fact that you are a candidate in name only. In reality, you are a tool that is to be exploited and used by people with power. You are a power bottom. That is what you are. That is what you are. You are to be used and exploited by people with actual power. And the more that you go out there and just present yourself as an equal, the third option. I just, I resent it so much more as time goes by. Yeah. And we do have the original article here from freebeacon.com. So you know, it's legit, they say Kamala Harris is campaign, oh, that's the same headline. We just read Kamala Harris campaign attorney Mark Elias linked to swing state ads boosting libertarian candidate. YouTube as encourage young man to say screw him and vote libertarian, be a man, vote for the gay guy, be a man, you're a man, I'm a man's man, I'm a man, I'm voting for a gay man. A dark money group linked to Kamala Harris' campaign attorney, we already read that a third time, an apparent ploy to pull conservative votes away from Donald Trump. Civic Truth Actions, a super PAC launched in July has spent more than $1.5 million on ad supporting libertarian candidate Chase Oliver, according to campaign finance disclosures released this week. Is that the same thing that we've got here? Is that the same disclosure? Yeah, that's all right. Cool. The group is airing dozens of YouTube ads in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, touting Oliver as a true conservative who will abolish income taxes and dismantle the nanny state according to the company's ad database. But Civic Truth Action isn't funded by a group of small government activists. It's a soul backer, or it's soul backer, a dark money outfit called Evidence for Impact has contributed $4,350,000 to Civic Truth Action since September, according to the campaign, or two campaign finance records. Little is known about evidence for impact, but regards records obtained by the Washington free beacon show that it's beneficial owner is Ezra Reese, an attorney at the Democratic Elections Firm Elias Law Group. So a Democrat, a Democrat is paying lots of money to because they hashtag walked away from Kamala Harris and now they're just supporting Chase Oliver to the tune of $1.5 million to push the two gayest ads that I have seen out of this campaign. But he still works for her and they just set up this pack in July for the sole purpose of laundering money for this kind of effort. Amazing. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's a bold strategy. Do you think it'll pay off, Dave? Do you think that this will get us above that 3% threshold that we need to be there and do nothing less? - This is probably something we should consider to incorporate into dissident consulting services in the future because it seems like there's a lot of money in, like they also use this pack to put money into an independent candidate in like Arizona or something like that because they, anything you can do to just tilt it 1%, 2%, like that would do the job and then you win and then you get your bonuses and blah, blah, blah. You know, if you're the campaign manager for Kamala Harris and you get 10% of what everybody, what you raise, you'll probably be some shit. - We should have started Dems for Chase and then like made a Twitter page and put out ads and 10 like we were Democrats. That would have been funny. - That would have cooked. - It would have, unless we got bored and forgot about it and stopped doing it because it was boring. - Yeah. And I like to punch down. At this point, I feel like he's almost done. - He got $1.5 million toward his campaign. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, kind of, not really though. But here's at the end of the day, you and I know that Chase would prefer a Kamala Harris presidency. That's the fact. - Sure. - Nobody can hide that. Angela-- - The gun would go off Dave. - The gun would go off. - Angela would prefer Trump and Chase would prefer Kamala Harris. And-- - You know why? It's because they are libertarian leaning leftists and rightists. Like I'm getting to the point where it's like, as I said in a million words in that statement, it's like, okay, libertarianism is what exactly? If it means legal abortion up till birth and also protecting human rights, like that's just one example. But like the splits that libertarians have amongst themselves are so heavily split that like, why do we have a third party if we're just bitching about the exact same things that we would be bitching about if you were honest about being a Democrat and we were honest about being more closely aligned with Republicans. Like, what difference does it make if our party's not doing anything and we're just bitching on a smaller scale and nobody gives a shit? Except for people who wanna use this as pawns and pay $1.5 million, do you use this as tools against their opponents? - Yeah. There's a guy in the party he ran for, I think Vice Chair last time, his name's Tub Rora Ball. He said-- - I got a question. - I'm not laughing at your name, Tub. - When libertarians say they support Harris, they're dismissed as Democrats. But libertarians supporting Trump are not Republicans, how is that? - I don't care what they are. - Don't care what they are. - But the answer is Trump and Republicans are more sympathetic to causes, to libertarian causes than Kamala Harris and Democrats. I hope that helps you. - I want to remind Kamala Harris said the word libertarian in her entire career. Like, Donald Trump didn't up until he came to our event and now he's saying things that are a lot more libertarian and bringing people on, like Vivek and even RFK Jr, who are a lot more libertarian than Kamala Harris's, who has zero interest in you, zero interest in your party, isn't even trying to garner votes from it. Like, the only thing they've done, the only thing the left has done to try and pay into libertarians is using Chase Oliver with $1.5 million to try and fuck with Donald Trump. That is the only time that they have given a single shit about anything libertarians have to say, let alone libertarian principles, values or anything that would make us, you know, inclined to vote. So, yeah. - And they're not doing it out of the kindness of their heart or even being public about it. Those videos were hard to find, hard to find. They don't want you to see, they only want those ads to be seen, like they have to be uploaded to these certain channels and stuff for transparency sake. But, you know, we got that ad sent to us via text because somebody in PA saw the ad, got the texts about it. - Yeah. - But that's amazing, that nobody would have known, $1.5 million, the whole Chase campaign raised $400,000, which is by the way, the worst fundraising that any libertarian candidate has ever done. Congratulation. - Congratulations. - Yeah, yep. So, yeah, you know, 1.5, you should be happy that maybe the Democratic Party, even though they don't want to talk about it, is gonna help you get some votes in a swing state or two. - Yeah. And like, again, like, you're right, punching down sometimes is kind of what it feels like. The guy's not doing great, he's not gonna do great and we're just the dicks who made sure he didn't do great. Okay, fine, whatever. But, like I said in my statement, this guy, Chase Oliver, much like all the rest of them, like in fairness, but this guy, as did everybody else, insisted he was going to be the guy to go, he went to all 50 states. He did the 50 state tour. It's the first time any libertarian candidate's done that. He's a millennial, he's gay. He'll get the media coverage, he'll get the eyeballs. He can speak the message better than anybody. And then once he became the candidate, he didn't accept invites to go on libertarian podcasts, even lots of, from what I've seen. I haven't seen him on much of anything. I definitely haven't seen him on Joe Rogan or, you know, 60 minutes or Tucker Carlson. I would think that the libertarian candidate, if he was worth anything at all, could at least get on Tucker Carlson at this point, right? But instead, he's turning down people who are offering him, yes, not giant platforms, but offering him platforms that are more friendly than anybody else would be. As far as I can tell, he has avoided as much media as Kamala Harris has, if not more, and Joe Biden, like he's using the democratic strategy, he went to all 50 states, yes. But just 'cause you drove through and stopped at a park and said, hello, I'm the candidate. And some people said, hello candidate. And then you drove on your way, doesn't mean that you did anything by spending all that gas money and driving all across God's green earth. And as is evidenced by the fact that we are now, what, seven days, six, eight days away from the election, and still, nobody cares. Nobody cares at all. Your name doesn't come up. And why would you expect to come up when Donald Trump has everybody who was running against him is now on his team, and Kamala Harris, everybody who's running against her is now on her team. And then we got Chase Oliver, everybody who's running against him. Does it want to vote for Chase Oliver? Like, there's nothing to be gained or benefited from for pushing, voting for this guy, unless you are a Democrat. - Yo, bro. Perennial loser, Jill Stein, has already lost for the Green Party twice before now, and currently is sitting on a war chest of $2.5 million raised. And she's been on the breakfast club, and she's talked about her platform, and she goes hard on anti-war shit, and she goes hard on the Israeli Gaza conflict. So if you need that for your protest vote, you loser, then vote for Jill Stein, okay? 'Cause that actually makes sense. But if you just want to get away from the kids table for the first time in your life, just make an adult decision, and choose. Just like all the infiltrating Democrats and infiltrating Republicans in our party, you can act like you want to share a party with people who were pro-life versus pro-choice and all these things, you don't want to be around them. I don't want to be around them. So just pick the one that most closely resembles you. Be grateful for the fact that the Democratic Party is now the pro-war and pro-abortion party. So you don't have to feel like you're touching down on both sides. They've made it very easy for you. - Right. And also, do you know who, I mean, it might be too mean. Maybe we're giving Chase too hard of a time, 'cause he's not getting the same amount of press coverage as Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Of course he's not, of course he's not. But you know who got more press coverage than Chase Oliver has so far? Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, Spike Cohen, Joe Jorgensen, even Vermin Supreme. Like there are people who weren't the nominee who have gotten more press coverage running for the libertarian spot than Chase has gotten since having the spot. So I don't know why you think that people should vote for you if you're not even willing to like, I don't know. I don't know. - Do stuff. - When this is all over, you'll see Mark my words. "Mark my words, "Mark my words. "We'll come out, so we'll chase go." We got no support and nobody from the party gave us any money, and that's why our campaign didn't work. That is what's going to happen. - You will be blamed for this. Mark my words. - Absolutely. But the libertarian in chief that epic was there, he put out this list of like all of the money raised by every libertarian candidate from 1980 till right now. And dude, there's, Ed Clark in 1980 raised, this is not adjusted for inflation, by the way, $3.2 million in 1980. And what did Chase Oliver in 2024 to 0.4? Like, bro, that's so pathetic. It's actually, there's a real story in here. You know, you can see the second campaign for Johnson in 2016, by far and away, so much more money than the party ever made. $11.7 million in their campaign. And to be fair, that's probably because-- - He's concerned about Dave. He's concerned about-- - Bill Weld. Bill Weld came in and he brought all kinds of daddy warbucks. - Sure. - You know, Ray Theon money into the party. And that's where that came from. They wanted to see that guy get elevated. So we're probably still feeling the effects from 2016 when you let all those NeoCon pieces of shit in to do some fundraising and lean the party their way. You're probably still dealing with some of that. - Yeah. - 3.4 million for Jorgensen. That was a lackluster campaign, but three million more dollars. Great videos. Listen, I wonder how many millions of dollars that you affected that campaign. You know, probably at least a couple. They should have probably thought about spending a couple bucks with you, but now you left with that. - Yeah, they should. It gives me much more money than they did, but it is what it is. - I am grateful for everything the libertarian party has given me before now, before six months ago. Anyway, there's a, I mean, that's pretty much the gist of the chase, all of her stuff. Yeah, you want support, you gotta earn it and you haven't, you haven't even earned it from libertarians, let alone anybody else. The only thing people see you as valuable for is to use against their opponents if you happen to be, you know, something of value in select states. - But yeah. - Like a glory hole, like a truck stop glory hole for Democrats and Republicans that just come in and use, damn straight. Now, if you, if you, if you were working on the chase all of her campaign and you slipped, had a tumble on the job and you got injured and suddenly you woke up and your butt hurt, really bad for some reason, probably from falling on it is all I'm saying. And you should call Lone Star Injury Attorneys. Have you or loved one been injured by some fucknuggets reckless driving, a tumble at your shitty job or some other form of dumb shit outside of your control? Well, fear not because today's episode is sponsored by a lawyer, Lone Star Injury Attorneys is an award-winning personal injury law firm that achieves maximum results for its injured clients. Max The Axe is not just a lawyer but a hardcore Mises caucus libertarian and also a big supporter of this show in all of our bullshit. Max is the best personal injury lawyer in Texas but don't judge him by his occupation or location. Max is an avid defender of liberty and justice in whatever state you got fucked in. 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"You would have gotten more invites "even just from people who don't like you. "If nothing else, you'd have gotten invites "from people who want the libertarian "presidential candidate on their show." I don't know how much he's been offered and turned down, but it doesn't really matter. I guess I'm not sure, which is worse. Not having, not being offered or getting the offers and turning them down, either way, whatever. You're doing great. Tim Brown says, "Power bottom, LL good one. "Poom Dave, pew, that's right. "You gotta be a bit a poom." Sean Van Beaverhout says, "Thanks Super Chat. "Kojima made me gay was always Dave Smith after all." I'm sure it's awesome. He's just been sneakily hiding out there with that convoluted name. Ray Sees is fake super chat. Who the fuck are these people voting for Harris? Have they just siloed themselves so much that they don't see any of their hundreds of gaffs? Yes, I think so. That's what it is. It has to, when I watch these clips of Kamala Harris and these clips of Donald Trump as, again, not a big fan of either one, but when I watch the clips side by side, which is kind of why I wanted to open with that, the gaslighting or just the sheer stupidity of people who are like, well, clearly she's intelligent and she's gotten there. I saw people making the arguments on some of my posts this week, she got there because she's an intelligent, able-bodied, capable woman and he's an idiot who can't string a sentence together. It's like, what are you watching? Is it that we are literally living in different realities and you are seeing something completely different than what I'm seeing? Am I the idiot here? Am I stupid? Is your brain broke? Are you lying? Am I lying? I don't know anymore. It's making me tired, but I'm pretty sure that you're a fucking retard or you're a lying retard or you're a fucking lying retard. I don't know, Dave, my brain's broken. I cleaned up so much shit this morning, Dave. - It's always malevolence and incompetence. It's just the ratio that you have to figure out. - Yep. Anyway, let's move on from Libertarians. Again, let's move to-- - Real quick, before we do. - Okay. - Real quick. - Just one last one. - Go ahead, cut me off, Dave. - I'm very sorry, but I didn't want to do it on the next subject, so this is, I just wanted to make a point 'cause we've been picking on Chase and kind of, you know, whatever, the LP for a little bit here. And I just want to say that, you know, we spend a lot of time on this show and in our personal lives and, you know, just focused. Man, remember all those debates that we went to with 10, 12 candidates and they did it 30 times and it fucked up-- - I moderated one and I watched all the rest of them and it was like-- - Dude, I got involved in a campaign and it hurt some friendships and, you know what? Every single person that I was fighting with. Listen, me and you and Josh and Dave and all the people who were giving a shit for even entertaining RFK, everybody's on the same page now. All for not, it was everybody ended up at the same thing. We got a binary choice between that bitch and Donald Trump. So all of that was all for not, it was all stupid and we can all shoot it before good that time and spend it doing other shit together. Sorry for yelling. (upbeat music) - Chase. Chase. Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase, Chase. All right, this has been, that has been Chase and Cup. Yeah, all right. So we're gonna talk about people who actually get media coverage now, people like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. A couple of weeks ago, if you remember, maybe a week, two weeks ago, there was this whole thing. Kamala Harris was having this big media blitz, this big push at the end and everybody was like, wow, Kamala Harris is a really step in her game but she went from zero interviews ever. She, I'm pretty sure they were comparing her to Chase Oliver at that point. Zero interviews ever too. Now she's got five interviews in two days and they're with a bunch of people that agree with her on everything and are gonna ask her softball questions that she will still somehow manage to fuck up the answers to. Everybody's like, wow, this might be it. This might be what pushes Kamala Harris over the edge. And then we had Donald Trump went on flagrant with Andrew Scholz, he went on Theo Vaughn. He went on, I guess he went on PBD. I didn't even know he went on PBD but I saw a clip this morning that he was on PBD. Have you caught that? Just a clip. Okay, you went on PBD, you went on Joe Rogan, the largest podcast in the entire fucking world. And then just to round it all off, you know, like a day or two after he did the largest podcast in the world that everybody's been clamoring and anticipating and then he gave us three hours and we didn't even have time to filter through those three hours of conversation before he was like, I'm gonna do Madison Square Garden and bring all of my friends out to support me. So we can kind of talk about this all as one big thing because we definitely don't have time to get into each one and individually, but did you catch the entirety of the Rogan interview Dave? I know it's long and it's a lot. What have you seen of that though? He doesn't know he's muted. - Fuck. - I've got a song for you Dave. ♪ Big guy, cry hair, but he ain't slow ♪ ♪ In the world of truth, his game is pro ♪ ♪ Eyes wide open, mind ready to blow ♪ ♪ Every tear he knows leaves him hollering ♪ ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ ♪ Tracy on the mic with his blood ♪ - All right, that was fun. Let's do that some more. Yeah, from now on, when you mute yourself, I'm just glad you talk for a bit and start playing your latest theme song with the week, but what were you saying there, Dave? - I don't even remember, dude. I just got lost when the dance there. That was fun. - What did you ask me? - And then I'll show you what I've got. - Rogan, Trump on Rogan. - Yeah, so I did not see any of the hate rally last night in Madison Square Garden, but I did see all of the Rogan interview. - Okay, what was your, I planned and still kind of plan on re-watching the Rogan interview. I had it planned while I was working on some shit and wasn't paying that close of attention. I've got Dylan's thread here actually of the different segments we can kind of go through, but yeah, was there anything particular that stood out to you? I don't even, I'm not sure if I've made it to the end of it yet even, 'cause again, it's three hours long and there might be a 30 minute segment on like boxing versus MMA or whatever and I just trail off too easily. My weave isn't as good as Dylan Trump's. I weave away, but then I don't come back. But what stuck out to you in this interview, Dave? - You already kind of, I'm trying to find the tweet when I talked about it, but you talked about the John Bolton part where he kind of like gave you a clue as to who he really is and I liked that part. But he did it a couple other times too. Let me see here. Okay, so when Trump talks, there was a part where he was talking about environmental groups profiting off builders. Like, oh, they'll just take, you know, it'll take years for you to build something and they'll just point to a puddle and be like, that's a pond and you can't build here. And then at the end of it, talking about how, you know, all this government bureaucrats getting the way of progress and building and everything, he goes, yeah, if I was them, I'd probably do it too. And I was like, wow, he's really kind of, he's giving you something there. When he says, when he talks about advising his friends, like his friends will call him and be like, look, I could get this job at CNN, but I have to talk shit on you and he goes, do it. Go ahead, you need to work. You need to work about it. This, so basically, this is what I've been trying to say about Donald Trump. He's not a savior, he is not the devil. He is a WWE Hall of Famer who will say whatever it takes to do the job. And that is what he, that was my takeaway from the Rogan interview, is that he just gets to be himself and he is a real one, but he's not either of the things that both sides think he is. - Right, yeah, I think the main thing that this interview did was humanize him. I mean, it doesn't get much more human than three hours. Like, there's no running, there's no hiding, there's no editing, there's no, like, there's, you can weave all you want. Oh, what's happening? You can weave all you want, but at some point your weave has to come back because you still got two hours and 45 minutes left after that weave. So there's speculation of Kamala Harris going on, which I think would be just, ah, just gloriously awful. I'm torn on it, I want it to happen, but I don't think it's going to because she can't, she can't answer a question like, what have you done? Would you have for breakfast? What's your favorite color? Ah, like, just, it's nothing. But this was good. And Joe Rogan being Joe Rogan asked him very human questions and he gave very human answers. Here's Donald Trump talking about, I would say one of, what I would imagine most people would want to ask Donald Trump about, which is the scar on his ear from being shot. And I'm surprised that, like, I don't remember Andrew Shultz or any of the others being like, can I take a closer look at that ear? But Joe Rogan did. - We really can't, I was, he was a nice day shot you. I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing. - Timing is good. - I think timing's perfect. Do you have you have a scar on your ear? You got anything on there? - I do. - What do we say? - So right over here. - It's a tiny little mark. - It zipped right there. - It healed up pretty fucking good. - Yeah, it's pretty good. - Yeah, it's a little, it's not like some of the wrestlers. - When I heard this, I was like, if I was Joe Rogan, I'd be like, can I take a closer look at that? 'Cause even here Joe Rogan's like, yeah, looks like it healed up pretty good there. But do you think he's skeptical at all? Or is he just being like, good job. I mean, congratulations that healed up really fast. I know your wounds suck. - Ah, I wonder. You're like, I'm sure there were, like Joe did not, he could have asked some tougher questions in this. And I'm sure that was probably part of the deal. Hey man, we don't talk about this. And like, that's fine. If you got a deal, I'll come on your show, but we don't want to talk about X, Y, OK. - Yeah. - But yeah, maybe, man. I don't know. Joe Rogan's skeptical a lot, a lot. - I get it. I'm not sure. - I get it. - I'm not sure. - Yeah. - That's some of the UFC fighters. - No, you think it's a cold fire. - No, no. It got, it was sort of like a top shot. The point of the bullet was all over the ass, but you see the things take it off a little bit, but it makes me a tougher guy. - It makes me a tougher guy. When you say that it makes you tougher, it actually takes away some time, so. - But it makes me cooler, bro. Chick-tick scars. Check this out. - You get this, this is just a little bit. - Joe, it's called secret. I got it. - You should try it sometime. Yeah, it's interesting to like, see these people get together. 'Cause like you said, Trump is the WWE guy. Like he is a showman. Joe Rogan is no different, really. I mean, he is in some ways, but he is literally the UFC guy who, it's more realistic. It's more real. So he's got more, you know, actual legitimate questions than Trump has, but it's interesting to see these two people clash. Who have, not clash now, they're more coming together. Who have clashed in the past just like four months ago, Donald Trump posted after Joe Rogan said something about Trump. Donald Trump was like, I hate Joe Rogan. And the next time he goes into the UFC, they're gonna all boo him. Like it's all fake. Like all that showboating shit. I didn't, like that didn't even really occur that much to me when going into this. I saw some people being like, they're gonna just be like screaming at each other the whole time 'cause these two guys hate each other. I was like, I don't think that's true. I think that's the internet that you're talking about. And this is two people in real life getting together for a three hour conversation. I don't think they're gonna be like, remember that time you said something that was mean? I didn't like that mean thing. And yeah, I don't know. - This is not how people who are worth hundreds of millions and billions of dollars behave. These guys go, is this, I mean, I'm not talking about Joe Rogan, he's probably, whatever. The idea that you can do business and make money is what successful people think about. So that's, at the end of the day, oh, is this gonna draw eyes? Are we gonna hit the mark? That's, we're gonna do a big show. That's what is important. Vince McMahon used to get sued for $100 million at a time for fucking sexually harassing chicks and all that. And then they would come back a couple years later, they'd settle and he'd hire them back. And people would be like, how could you do that? You went through all these fights because he's trying to make billions of dollars. - Business, baby. - That's why. - Yeah. - Yep. Here is Donald Trump and Joe Rogan discussing whether or not Kamala Harris will go on. - Can you imagine Kamala doing this show? - She could imagine her doing this show. - She'd be lying. - She'd be lying on the floor. - She was supposed to do it and she likes to do it again and I hope she does. - She's not gonna do it. - I will talk to her like a human being. I will try to have a conversation with her. - If she did this kind of an interview with you. - Oh shit. - No. - I hope she does because it would be a mess. - She'd be lying on the floor, Kamala. She'd be saying, call in the medics. - I think we'd have a fine conversation. - Joe's still trying to give it together. Like he knows, he knows like, no, I want her to come on the show. So I'm not going to frighten her. It will be a fine conversation, Mr. Trump. I think Trump's more right on this one. What do you think, Dave? - Sure, of course. And he's just at so much more of a position of vantage because he gets to tell the truth. It's nobody's in my ear telling me what I have to say. They might give him pointers and go, hey man, he's going to ask you about John Bolton and your bad hire. So you might want to have something ready for that. But like nobody's telling him what he has to say. And these are your line. So he's just at a forever advantage. I feel so bad for Kamala Harris. She couldn't even answer that one question. Have you ever made a mistake? Oh yeah, adopting these stupid kids was a horrible mistake. - Have you seen the girl one? I don't know what's going on with her. - That's a real big mistake I made there. - Yikes. - Train wrecked. Now, Trump and Joe Rogan also discussed third parties and let's see how drinking game. Everybody drink every time the presidential candidate or vice presidential candidate's names are brought up when discussing the third parties. Here we go. - He's now with us. - But it's a two party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. and so do I. He's a fantastic guy. - I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense. - It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words, you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress. I'm never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and I know how you feel about Bobby and I feel the same way and he's now with us, but it doesn't, it's pure and simple. It's a two party system. You know, it's a two. - Congratulations on Super October, everyone. If you are playing the drink every time Chase Oliver's name is mentioned in mainstream media, you'll be just as sober as Donald Trump is. - Now, here, well, let's see. Was there anything else? I can go through some of these, but was there any other points that I should look for specifically Dave, anything that stands out to you worth bringing up? - No, that was the thing, there was nothing newsworthy. It wasn't, it didn't make Trump, it didn't break Trump. There was nothing outrageous. It was a decent, unoffensive conversation between these two guys. It was just like, oh, it's kind of good. Like, sure, there's not as much sizzle and spice as we would typically prefer, but it's like, I was told that these guys were going to tear each other's heads off or Donald Trump was going to flounder and fall apart, but no, it was just two dudes having a conversation for three hours about shit. And interesting people having interesting conversation. They talked about nuclear war, they talked about the no tax on tips, let's go ahead and watch a little bit of the no tax on tips and see. - But she was in favor of it. - Yes. - So think of it, now she changed, she changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to send her a maggot cap. - She stole your idea about no tax for tips. - I came up with this idea that honestly, nobody ever heard of, - I like it, it's true. I like how Donald Trump's like, yeah, she did. But yeah, I mean, it's not like it's, he was the first one to propose this idea, but as far as people who might be president soon, he, to my knowledge, is the first one that did. - People don't understand. - Listen, just just this one, like he's made so many promises, but just this one would actually make America sizeably greater again. - Sure. - If you let the bottom most earning portion of America make $25,000, $35,000 in a part time job serving at TGI Fridays or something, just to keep all of their money. - Yeah. - Do you understand what an extra $700 or $1,000 would do for a poor person in America right now? - Yes, I do. - Yes, I do. - Exactly. Lots of us are living paycheck to paycheck, and that would help. So, it's a simple solution. It would actually have great benefit, and you'd think more libertarians would go, "Oh, wow, just that." Just that would actually be like a libertarian win. But no, 'cause he's, 'cause he's maggot, it's a red hat, so I'm sorry, no. - Yep. - And now it took her two months, but you know what, all of us-- - It caught fire. - And she just put it into a little speech. - Yep. - But I think we have, I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But no, we have a lot of good issues. You know, we had the other day, think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster. They have a huge factor, a huge car auto-plant vehicle by China in Mexico. Make car, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business, right? Here we go again. I said, "If that plant is there when I'm president, "I will put 100 or 200% tariffs on every car, "they'll be unsaleable in the United States, "and they just announced they're not gonna build the plant "because they think I'm gonna win." - Uh-oh, scary tariffs again, Dave. - Very scary. - Very scary. - Yeah, there was one point that it was brought up the income tax also. I'm not seeing that one off the bat, but yeah. It's apparently, you know, a real thing being discussed and not just headlines and there goes my camera again. And I'm back and frozen, yay. (laughing) I love technology. I love it. - Yeah, you gotta be able to pew, you know? - You gotta just get a roll with the punches. There's the inside of my colon again and there we go. All right, now we, if I keep it on follow mode, it'll stay awake. All right, so whatever, we can move on from the Joe Rogan debate or Joe Rogan discussion because, yeah. Go watch it, it's worth a watch. Certainly it is fucking history that like all of these things are historic and I don't think that's getting enough appreciation. The fact that Donald Trump did Madison Square Garden right after going on Joe Rogan is fucking historic and can you imagine, for as hard as it is to imagine how Kamala Harris would do on Joe Rogan show, can you imagine Kamala Harris booking Madison Square Garden, Dave? - Bro, no. - Doesn't that tell you all that you need to know about this election? The fact that one guy can pack it out and sell it out and the other person, I don't know, maybe they would bust in enough people to make it look full but I doubt they even would try to do something like that because it's such a massive arena that it's gonna be obvious if you're lacking at all. But we've been told that by Kamala Harris that people are showing up to Donald Trump's rallies and leaving 'cause they're bored. Like, yeah, Madison Square Garden sold out because Donald Trump and I'm pretty sure that all the rest of the cast of characters that showed up for this thing were not on the billing even. Donald Trump played Madison Square Garden as though he were a musician, a comedian, anything else. He's just some dude running for president and we're supposed to hate him, be scared of him and sold it out. Now, we don't need Kamala Harris to go and prove that anybody, just old anybody, can sell it Madison Square Garden. All we gotta know about this major event is that, well, let's just take it from MSNBC. But that chamboree happening right now. You see it there on your screen. In that place is particularly chilling because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler, packed the garden for a so-called pro-America rally. A rally where speakers voiced anti-Semitic rhetoric from a stage draped with Nazi banners. When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote, instantly, "A dozen or more stormtroopers set upon him, "knocking him down and beating him "as he held his head in his arms. "Most of his clothing was torn from his body. "Later, he was booked for disorderly conduct." Now, against that backdrop of history, Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls enemies from within, who has threatened to use the troops to quell what he says are lawless cities and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants is once again turning Madison Square Garden into a staging ground for extremism. - You know what this is, Dave? You know what this is? - What is it? - What is it, dude? - This is the Ivermectin of venues. Madison Square Garden now is evil, all of a sudden because Donald Trump went there and did a thing. Like, it's been praised as the greatest play, like I wonder if Madison Square Garden has a problem with MSNBC doing this type of coverage for their like, they hosted a Nazi rally according to MSNBC, Madison Square Garden, the largest or like the most prominent venue in the entire country because Hitler did it once. Now, anybody who plays or does anything political at Madison Square Garden, they are Nazis and we should be concerned about their extremist rhetoric. It's like Ivermectin winning awards for curing all sorts of diseases. And then when COVID comes along and we don't want she, he was an Ivermectin, it's horse paste now. Madison Square Garden is horse paste to these people because Hitler drank water once and now we've seen Donald Trump also drinking water coincidence, I think not. What do you think, Dave? - Look, man, I'm not gonna lie, like that news segment, and you know, it seems like par for the course, but like that enrages me, dude. Like I have absolute hatred for MSNBC. I hate them. Whatever penance comes to the criminals whatever what whatever Donald Trump can do with Project 25 to the people at MSNBC when he gets elected, I hope he does it because they deserve it, dude. When you for the same in the same way that authoritarianism and locking them all up for crime, Steve, how far do you take this? - No, it's, no. - Rachel Maddow told me that he was gonna kill them all. So is that how far you take this? - It's free speech. You can say what you want, but in the same way that if you lie about like a rape charge, oh, this person raped me, but you made that up, you lied. What should the penance be for that? I'm not saying it should be the exact same thing as doing a rape, but it should be pretty fucking bad. - If you get it. - If you accuse somebody of raping you wrongfully, you get raped, like if you wanna have that, if you need to have that banner to make your victimhood more, more, you know, - So these are people. - You get raped. - Oh, we want America to be united and we're tired of the hateful rhetoric and then you come out and you go, but unfortunately, a group of black, white, Indian, Asian, Latino Americans gathered in the most liberal city in America to capacity in peace, but it's a Nazi rally, fuck you. - Yep. - Fuck you, you are un-American filth. And I'm right, right, this point bro, I need a little bit of unity. I want to be around people that care about this country, regardless of our political philosophies, let's see where there's common ground. Those are the people who I'm interested in talking to and being around, not people who think exactly like me and fuck everybody else. That's an inversion, a perversion, and I'm not interested in those people's ideas anymore. - Well said, well said Dave. And I didn't mention earlier, when Dave Smith came out and finally stopped being a coward and endorsed Donald Trump, I noticed multiple people coming out, all of a sudden having this brave moment of, "Hey, I also support Donald Trump." You know, it's fine, you can do it better late than ever, but I'm good on you for being brave when Dave Smith finally does it. Now one guy in particular, who I've been a fan of for a very long time, who has said that he agrees with Dave Smith on all of his politics. He has said that on his show, Tony Hinchcliffe, comedian, who hosts another one of the largest, I think it is the largest live streaming podcast in the world, "Kill Tony" is. And he hasn't been that out. I mean, he winks and nods about stuff on his show, but I've never heard him come out and outright say, "I'm voting for Donald Trump." I still haven't technically heard him say that he's voting for Donald Trump, but I do think it's telling that he decided to show up and they gave him 11 minutes of time to literally say whatever he wanted to say, for a better or worse. And here's a little bit of why people are mad about that. Here's Tony Hinchcliffe, hoping for Trump. There's a lot going on, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico. Okay, all right, okay. We're getting there, again. Oh, he's going to follow the national anthem, everybody. A lot going on, like. All right, yeah, there was a few jokes like that that people are very, very outraged about, I think it warrants a conversation because I have thoughts. Tony Hinchcliffe and his show, Kill Tony, I think, is one of the best things for culture currently in the zeitgeist because they do offensive jokes. They make fun of each other, no matter your skin color, your race, your gender, whatever, anything. All is fair, when you're on the stage of comedians making offensive jokes at each other, I think it's beautiful, I think it's unifying. Now, he takes that energy, which Tony Hinchcliffe is known for, that roasting and offensive energy, and he takes it to a Donald Trump rally where everybody's being called a Nazi and makes a couple, you know, racial jokes. I like them, I understand what jokes are. The rest of the mainstream media is now using this to say that Donald Trump invited some unknown comedian to just spew white supremacy all over this white supremacist stage. Dave, I'm curious, is there any part of you that's like, maybe this wasn't the time or the place to say that Puerto Rico is a dumpster or like a floating trash island or something? Not that, not because it's offensive, but because we know what is happening here and how it will be used. Do you think that this was an overstep, an oversight, or do you think he's on the money and fuck these people? No, I definitely, I mean, it was funny. I laughed, that is my humor, too, and I think that he's great. This is not a critical-- - I also don't like Puerto Ricans, so. - But, no, I think if I was the Trump campaign or somebody on it, I would go, oh shit, we did not need that. Like, that didn't help you, that did not help you. But because they are so, and I'm not doubting his intentions or anything, it's just only the other side. Only the other, you can only lose from that. - And if you watch the entire 11 minutes, it was fucking hilarious, there were some more things, and he brought him back around, and sometimes the crowd turned on him 'cause they were uncomfortable, and he would just, I guess, jokes, whatever. Of course, the media is always, and forever, going to clip everything out of context and going to take the worst thing that can possibly find, and say that this wasn't a comedian, this was just some dude who was being erased on Trump's stage, and Trump was fine with it. Trump also, his team issued a statement saying that it's kind of distancing themselves from it, saying that that's not the view of the Trump campaign, which, I don't know, I mean, politics is politics, but grow the fuck up. Like, he's a comedian, you invited in there, he's an offensive comedian, you invited in there, he made a very benignly offensive joke about race, and ooh, that we don't agree with that one. - I think that it was pretty spicy for one of those events, and I think that it was a mistake to invite him, because all of Tony Hinchcliffe's audience is already voting for Donald Trump. So just strategically, I don't think that that was wise, but still hilarious, and you know, it'll be okay, I'm sure. I think Trump's lead is wide enough, but I don't think that's gonna help him. - Yeah, I guess. I mean, you talking about it makes me more in favor of it, because I don't like when you're being a bitch, Dave. - Sure, sure, yeah, we like it, yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to get a big, I wanna be a campaign manager for a big guy in a couple years so that I can run some ads, 1.5 mil, screw some people over, so I'm just trying to earn my spot. - All right, so Tony Hinchcliffe did all that, and people were big mad about it, and you would think that Tony, like, you would think that this was Tony Hinchcliffe open for Donald Trump, and that was the show. Now, there was a Hulk Hogan was there and spoke, Dana White was there, Melania was there and spoke. I don't know, that just, person after person, oh, Elon Musk was there and spoke, and Donald Trump. So we had this playing, I was working on some stuff last night in the living room, and my family was working on play stuff, reading through scripts and things, doing a nerd shit, but as this was on, I don't even think we turned it on at the beginning, I didn't notice it was happening until, like, probably an hour or two into it, we turned it on, have it playing live, and Donald Trump is going and going and going, I was like, how is this dude still going? Then finally, Donald Trump stops, and then... So, like, I missed the Tony Hinchcliffe intro at the time, I didn't see that live, but Donald Trump talked for a very decent amount of time, you know, because he's an old man, and he's feeble, and he can't string, sends us together, and he'd bet time, gaslighting, blah, blah, blah. He talked forever, as he does, and then a bunch of these other characters came on after him, even, I was like, oh, Donald Trump's not finishing up the night, I was wrong, Donald Trump came back on and did it again, he talked for like another, I don't know, half hour or 45 minutes, maybe even hour, I don't know, I wasn't paying that close attention, but all I know is I kept looking up at screening, being like, this motherfucker is still talking, how is this possible? I was told that this guy had a bedtime at 8 o'clock, maybe that was a different guy, I don't know, but did you catch any of this one, Dave, or did you say that you had a chance hit? - No, I just a couple, like I saw the hinge clip, a couple clips, saw Dr. Phil there. - Yeah, pretty much the same, like I saw it, it was on live, but I've watched through some clips, I'm just gonna share a couple more, we don't have to go too deep into this, 'cause we are at an hour in 40 fucking minutes, all right, so this is nothing, but this is hilarious, and it exists now, here is Hulk Hogan dancing like Donald Trump on stage dressed as Hulk Hogan, and there's, I don't know what to do with it. (upbeat music) - Awesome, like I don't know how to feel anymore, it's cringy and stupid, and also fucking hilarious, and somehow still cool, that Hulk Hogan is doing Donald Trump's dumb dance, dressed as the Hulk Hogan still at whatever, 80 years old. - This is how we know, we times are living. - This is how we know, dude, that we've been properly demoralized, that the programming has worked, that this has been going on for so long, that we yearn for a Hogan to dance to a silly song, and we yearn for Donald Trump to serve up some hot and fresh fries out the drive-through window, like, yes, America, you know, that's the funny thing, I'm not gonna deny it though, it feels good, I want to see Hulk Hogan out there dancing, there's something about seeing this, and seeing the Trump fries thing, and seeing Elon jump, and all of them getting lambasted by the media for having a good time, and it's like, is it cringy? Yes, but also, it's not somebody insisting that the world is ending, and their opponent is going to be a racist, fascist, literally Hitler, this is at, this is at the Nazi rally that we're told about, this is at the big scary event, Hulk Hogan dancing like, dork on stage as part of the future Nazi rally, I don't know, I'm just, I'm not that worried about it, but it's probably- - I want to tell that 18 to 35 demo that the civic American action pack was trying to seek out that 30 years ago, the whole country was in Nazi rally, everybody was on this unity tip, and everybody was flying American flags, and that was it, that was it. - So when they talk to you about not going back, they don't want you to go back to flag waving, and enjoying yourself, and enjoying your neighbors, that's what they don't want to go back to, so something to keep in mind. - Big super chat, no one at all says, you two are killing it today, I love you handsome, wow, Dave, you got some fans, you've got some fans. - Nazi fries. - All right, now, Donald Trump, lest you think that we are just these die hard Trump supporters, as I always say, we are, so fuck that. But there are, we will still call them on bullshit when it happens, and here's just another little nugget from Trump. (crowd cheering) - And as long as the Speaker of the House of Representatives is here, I would like to put forward a bill, because I watched two months ago as some very bad people, radical left people, by the way, nothing happened to him, in Washington, D.C., burned our American flags that were burning flags. - Gasp. (crowd cheering) - And I would like to suggest that we put in a bill, if you burn the American flag one year in jail. (crowd cheering) - Is it stupid? - Yes, it's stupid. Am I concerned? Not even the slightest little bit. I am not at all concerned that they're going to start blocking up people for burning American flags. Am I wrong? - Yeah. Am I wrong, Dave? - No, no, dude, he can't even, bro, he can't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. - Right. - He can't do that because it would take so many. What do you think you're going to get, you're going to get people to overturn the First Amendment retard? Like, it'll get claps, and that's great. Do whatever you have to do to pander to your audience. But uh. - Boomer, conservatives, love this shit, I'm sure. - And they are stupid, by the way. They are stupid people who would applaud. - Are you just saying boomer, conservatives, just in general, are stupid? - Anybody who would go, yeah, put somebody in a cage for a year for setting fire to my flag. - Right. - 'Cause it's just, you're an idiot. You are a lowbrow, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging fucking retard. But you vote too, so I don't blame him for trying to get you on board. But um, no, he's never going to be able to do that. You know what he can do though? He can appoint people to like lead the Department of Education. He can fire up to like 75% of lots of these agencies. He can, you know, like maybe move some things to get some, you know, halt CBDCs. But no, you can't stop people from doing that. So, I don't worry. - Of all the things, of all the things to be weirdo, especially like if we're comparing apples to oranges here, Kamala Harris, yeah, she might allow the American flag to be burnt. And then there's the rest of the stuff. Like, libertarians will focus on the one thing, the one and only thing, not that it's the only thing I'm sure that he said that I disagree with in the five hours at Madison Square Garden. But I've seen a lot of libertarians sharing this round being like, see this peruse that you're pushing an authoritarian? Well, he's, I don't even know if, I mean, to some extent, it's pandering to his boomer conservative base. But it's also probably because there's a little bit of boomer conservative in Donald Trump, or at least boomer old school Democrat, a little bit of patriotism in Donald Trump. And he's like, I don't like people that don't like this country. And, well, if we locked him up, I would imagine if this was an actual bill proposal, he would get a lot of pushback from a lot of people who are now in his unity party, or his unity, whatever the fuck this is. I don't think there's gonna be a whole lot of Ron Paul's RFKs, or Rand Paul's RFKs, even Tulsi Gabbards, I would imagine. I would imagine the vague Rama Swami is not gonna be like, yes, we should jail people for burning a piece of fabric that has the wrong, or the right colors on it. But I guess we'll see, we'll see. But, well, you know, when it's between Kamala Harris is a Nazi camps and, you know, train cars that she's bringing out to take all of our guns away and murder us all in our sleep. I mean, if they can do this shit, why can't we? If it's between Kamala Harris, genociding all of us tomorrow, and Donald Trump saying locking people up for burning the American flag, I will still go with Donald Trump, because I'm pretty sure that's what Kamala Harris is doing. She is bringing all the Nazis into the party, and she is going to round us all up, put us in camps, and just execute us. That's what I heard. At least that's what I heard from a source. A source told me that Kamala Harris is genociding all Americans as soon as she is elected on day one. Well, they do love their double speak, so it's a good possibility. (laughing) And we laugh. Anyway, speaking of Nazis, let's talk about AOC, 'cause she's got something to say about Donald Trump's evil, bigoted rally. - This was not, this was not, this was a hate rally. This was not just a presidential rally. This was also not just a campaign rally. I think it's very important for people to understand that these are mini January six rallies. These are mini stop the steel rallies. These are rallies to prime an electorate into rejecting the results of an election if it doesn't go the way that they want. This was not-- - Let's get one from Tim Walz and we'll respond to both of them. - Donald Trump has descended into madness over the last few weeks, and I think some of you don't miss on this, go do your Google on this. Donald Trump's got this big rally going at Madison Square Garden. There's a direct parallel to a big rally. Boo, Madison Square Garden. Everybody's favorite venue, boo. - That happened in the mid 1930s at Madison Square Garden. And don't think that he doesn't know for one second exactly what they're doing there. Donald Trump has just-- - Don't think for one second, Donald Trump doesn't know exactly what they're doing by going to everyone's favorite venue and holding a political campaign rally and bringing Hulk Hogan out to dance like a dork. Do not be fooled by the dorkery. This is Nazis of the future. And/or at the present or at the past. Oh, in one, I'm sure. But AOC, what was, there was one line in there that I want to mention. Let me see. Oh, the mini January six rallies for Kamala Harris and like, where do these fucking people get off? Like how stupid is everybody? 'Cause there has to be people that buy this shit. How stupid is everybody that you can just say this on the internet. And somebody's like, oh yeah. I remember the 30s when Hitler did that. Wow, yeah, that takes me back. That's scary. - I don't believe for a second that Tim Wallace believes that. I don't believe that AOC believes that. I believe that they know that's bullshit and they're saying it anyway. - Yeah. - So fuck those people, fuck those evil people. - Yeah. I mean, it's like the October surprises that we talked about last week where it's like, Donald Trump said so, and you noticed that those came out right before this evil Hitler rally. They had these statements that Donald Trump definitely said because somebody said that somebody said it and then we put it into a meme in text. And so there's your evidence. Donald Trump said that Hitler did some good things and he wishes that he had some of Hitler's generals or something like that. That we've never heard Donald Trump say those things. One person somewhere did definitely, but a week later, now we've got Hitler rallies. And if you go back four years to, you know, when Joe Biden just got into office and he did the soul of the nation's speech and said that all these people, I mean, he said that all evil right-wing MAGA supporters, the what was it, the MAGA extremists or something like that, compared everybody to, I don't know, like just this playbook has been going on for quite some time and they let it die down for a bit just so that they can ramp it back up at the end. Do you think it will have any effect, Dave? Because we've been hearing that Trump has literally Hitler for the last literally 12 years. And I feel like they took a break from it just so that they could bring it back for one final push because what is worse than calling Donald Trump literally Hitler again? How could we, how could that, how could he possibly survive after he went to Madison Square Garden where Hitler also drank water? - So I don't think it'll pay off in the big payoff. Like, it won't be, it won't win the election for them. But this is, you know, AOC, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, this isn't, these people aren't independent thinkers coming out and just going, here's my thoughts. I felt like that was a Nazi rally. This is the independent- - There's some thinkers who all think the exact same way. - So I think this will be, he'll be the Nazi that beat the woman of color and they will campaign on this for the next four years as they work to, you know, roll out the 2030 agenda with AOC's help and with Kamala Harris's help and Tim Walz and whoever else will help burn down cities to build up their new one. And they'll do what they always do is fundraise off this, fundraise off the fascist to Nazi who usurped power and is turning this into everything that you hate. - Yeah. - We'll do this again in four more years. - Absolutely. - Yeah, and you know, there's that, everybody keep, I've seen so many people sharing the, it's the slogan. I voted for Kamala Harris because I understood the assignment because I know what's at stake. I've seen so many people use that exact phrase so many times while calling the, the MAGA folks a cult. It's like you're, you are, I don't know. Like it feels like the quiet part out loud. I'm doing this not because I support Kamala Harris. I'm doing this because I understand the assignment and I know it's at stake. Yes, Kamala Harris sucks. We all know that. We've all accepted that. We're not gonna say it. But what we are gonna say is I understand the assignment and I know it's at stake. I know what must be done. I know where the Kool-Aid is. I know what's in it. I know what I have to do in order to save the future of humanity is how they feel. And so they share the same mockingbird playlist every fucking day. And I am tired, Dave. I'm very tired of it. Like I said at the beginning of this, I am one who enjoys election season if it isn't obvious. I enjoy it very much. I find it entertaining and exciting. And the rhetoric though gets exhausting. Like if you're gonna do stuff like what Donald Trump's doing by putting on fun events and having cool people come speak, great. Oh, I forgot to mention Kamala Harris had Beyonce finally on and she still didn't sing. Anyway, I'm just exhausted with the same thing over and over again. And people say that Donald Trump is the one who does the same thing over and over again, and to some extent, that's true. But the people who hate Donald Trump have been saying the same thing over and over again for the last 12 years without ever giving the slightest bit of evidence that Donald Trump is a white supremacist, racist misogynist who wants us all to die. So I'm just tired of hearing that. I'm tired of my Twitter feed being endless amounts of gaslighting, endless amounts of like, I saw somebody post the other day, no joke. They posted, if Donald Trump wins this thing, we will know it will be so clear that it was rigged. If Donald Trump wins this thing, if Kamala Harris doesn't win, it will be clear that it was rigged. Donald Trump's a former president of the United States who's doing all this shit that we've been talking about for the past two hours. Kamala Harris is doing a couple interviews where she can't answer basic questions. But you are supposed to believe that if Donald Trump wins already now, they're not gonna die the election, of course. They would never do that, that's bad. But what they will tell you is already, if Donald Trump wins, it was rigged. - Sure, and they're planning the seats for that already on MSNBC going, they want you to know that. - I'm sure that, I think AOC said it in that last clip, like, oh, they're planting the seats for, they're gonna deny the election when Kamala Harris, they won't accept because they know that that's- - You know what it is? - It's a bunch of tiny little January sixes, Dave. It's a bunch of little insurrections. - I mean, it's the same thing. If every single Donald Trump rally is an insurrection, then I would say that every time somebody says, don't pull you the results of the election if Donald Trump wins is kind of the same idea, but. - Oh, I, to not leave on a down note, I am still glad that we're in this election season because I'm not sure where it goes, but I feel like we're to a point now where quite the opposite of what the mainstream media is telling you, I don't want to count our chickens, our orange chickens before they hatch, but if Donald Trump doesn't win, it was fucking rigged at this point. And I don't want to be like planting the same seeds on the opposite side, but that's genuinely how I feel. And it's based off of evidence. It's based off of looking at Kamala Harris and the nothing that she is and looking at Donald Trump and the better stuff that he is, still not. Still Donald Trump, but to end on a positive note, the more time goes on, the more I'm hopeful because as we mentioned a couple weeks ago, it's less and less taboo to support the guy who has all the support of all the most reasonable thinkers in politics right now, even if he's still Donald Trump. The fact that he has all these people of reason talking to him, like last time, last time you won, and he did some things wrong, he had Fauci, had John Bolton, he was willing to admit some of his mistakes, but last time when he won, who did he have around him? Like, who did he have where we were like, yeah, yeah, that guy will speak some sense to Donald Trump. Was there anybody? I mean, there was Mike Pence and it seemed like him and Rand Paul got along a little bit there once he was in office, but he gave Rand Paul shit all the way leading into office. Donald Trump didn't seem like he had a whole lot of people around him speaking truth into him, so as time goes on, we see how much worse Kamala Harris is getting, we're seeing how much better Donald Trump's, you know, people that he's surrounding him with, how well they're helping him push for more things that are reasonable, like getting rid of the income tax, or here's J.D. Vance talking about Rand Paul. - Is it me? - Black Rock, is there a way to calm that down where they're purchasing all, and they're driving up the cost of real estate? You walk around New York City, there are buildings that are full of empty apartments because it's money laundering from people overseas that are stashing money, and it's raising the cost of living for the entire city. - That's exactly right, and you know, like I'm actually not a Rand Paul guy, one of my dear friends is a big Rand Paul guy, but like I've kind of come around to the Rand Paul argument, I don't fully agree with it, but the criticism of the Federal Reserve that makes the most sense to me is that it gives massive corporations a lower cost of money than the average American, right? So part of the reason Black Rock has been able to buy all these homes is yes. Well, what is Black Rock borrowing at? Right, what rate are they borrowing at? Because the average American right now, I think he cares about that, who cares about the rest of the answer and how great it is? He said our guy's name, so yeah. - Yeah. - Let's see, come on, let's do that. - It's cool now. At first I was like, oh man, Palantir, and then I was like, oh, in the Fed, no we're friends. - Yeah, let's see Mike Pence dropping in the Fed, quote, of any kind. Yeah, like I'm not gonna pretend like, this makes JD Vance a Ron Paul supporter, and he's gonna end the Fed. But we've got the potential future Vice President talking about the value of Ron Paul's views on the Federal Reserve. When has this happened before now? - This is-- - And why am I supposed to hate this, Dave? Why am I supposed to be mad about this too? - You have to not only hate this, but you have to embrace this. This is the time. We need to stop, as Mike high said, we are on a competition with the right in a way that we are not with the left. Leave the left behind. Whether it's in your party, in external politics, these people are the worst, leave them behind. And instead, while this budding unity movement is happening in real time, and is kind of chaotic, it's like the Wild West, you guys get in there and you steer it, because look who you have. You have Donald Trump at the helm who is not an ideologue. He's a guy who listens to people. And if you give him the better idea that makes more money or that more people like is more popular, he'll do that one. - If you make up people like Donald Trump more, he's gonna like you. And I feel like if you believe in your libertarian principles at all that you're grasping at, if you believe that freedom is popular, if you believe that your ideals are popular, if you believe that, I don't know, Dave Smith or anybody would have had any benefit to having a major platform to really push these ideas into the mainstream. Well, we've got Donald Trump doing it. Is that enough? I know, no, he's not a libertarian, but he is pushing a lot of our ideals. A lot more than any other Republican ever has, or at least any other, sorry, sorry, sorry, Ron Paul. No, more than any other Republican that had any potential of winning president has. Sorry again, Ron Paul. But at least, yeah, we've got Donald Trump out there saying, and the Department of Education, free Ross, legalized weed, I think he said. Get rid of the income tax, get rid of tax on tips. He's pushing freedom of speech. He's having people like Tony Hinchcliffe's main points where end all these ridiculous wars and keep speech free. So like even the people that he's bringing on who are causing him grief or whatever with their one or two jokes that were offensive, we still have a guy, a very popular comedian, bigger than Dave Smith on Donald Trump's stage, pushing Dave Smith's ideals, saying end all these wars and make speech free. I'm gonna take it. And by the way, JD Vance the other day. You know, if you wanna point at Donald Trump to go, oh man, he's awful on that. The one thing is that he's the most, the strongest Zionist president ever in the history of the United States. But JD Vance just maybe on that same podcast, I'm not sure. Just was like, hey man, yeah, Israel is an ally and we're gonna have the same goals lots of the times, but sometimes we're not like going to war with Iran. He just said that. That's fucking awesome. So I'm saying, we'll take that bro and just make sure that they surround their people with guys like the vague people that are against the extinctionists like Elon and RFK and hopefully we can pressure them into peace even when other people are pressuring them, pressuring them into war. Yes. And we are down to the wire now. Voting is next week. And I mean, lots of voting has already started. If you vote, once again, vote logically. You decide. If you need help being logical, feel free to reach out. Dan@tsidepod.com is my email address at Dan and Twitter at, you know, @tsidepod on Twitter. Not just @Dan, I don't know who that is, but I'm sure he's a great guy. @tsidepod on Twitter, this is down.tv or wherever the system sounds are sold, reach out. If you would like to know, we will help you know. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but it should be Trump. I don't know. I don't know where he's going with that. Dave, any final thoughts and where can people find you, man? Yeah, you can find me at dissidentmedia.net and also dissidentmedia on Twitter and Dave versus Goliath1 on Twitter. But if you got any hot news tips, be sure to forward those to us 'cause maybe we'll publish them like that cool story out of PA. And yeah, be sure to support this show, send Dan five smackers or more and get on that club, get in the dissident stuff. We're going to do some really cool things coming up here pretty soon, so get on boy. Dan, straight, damn straight. And when you're out there in the throes of life and you know, it's throwing any curve balls. You don't know what to do with this election stuff and you're feeling down the world's dark and it might be over any day now. It might be over tomorrow, we don't know. But if you're feeling like, you know, everything's stacked against you and there's nothing left to live for, just remember the wise words of Donald Trump. You gotta be able to pew damn straight. Thank you guys, you think you guys all for being here? Thank you for hanging out on this Friday. No, I don't even know what day of the week it is. This shitty Monday morning. Thank you for making it a little less shitty with us and for hanging out. Tune in whenever we come back and we'll talk about the next thing that happens, which will inevitably be bat shit crazy. So, see you next time and we'll talk about that. Until then, question everything, stand comfortable. 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