Former congresswoman and presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard joins the show to discuss her new book about why she left the Democratic party, whether she would accept a cabinet position (or more) from Donald Trump, how Americans' liberties are being trampled by the Biden Administration, and the legitimacy of the 2020 election.
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"Thanks for having me, this has been a long time in the making." "It sure has!" "I'm glad to actually be able to be here with you guys in person." "Did I respond correctly, you said Aloha and I said Mahalo." "A Loha or Mahalo works." "To prepare for this interview, I watched Moana last night with my kids, so I feel like I'm in touch." "Are you ready to bust out in song?" "I tried to get these assholes to play it as you were walking in, as you were walking in." "That would've been pretty awesome." "Yeah, they're fucking cowards back there." "I can do the old man voice." "Okay." "Moana!" "That's pretty good." "Thank you." "That's pretty good." "That's the cuff." "Yeah." "They're coming out with the second one." "They are. And they're doing a live action version as well." "This time it's personal." "It sure is, yeah." "It's like Moana, too. She's got a chainsaw and shit." "She's ready." "She's going out to the fires." "Taking on the full warrior personality." "She's going to stop the fires in this one." "Yeah." "Look, she's going to go up against Oprah, then." "She sure is." "Yeah." "Is that what happened? Do you guys believe in that conspiracy theory that Oprah started the fires?" "No." "No." "I'll just start there." "I think Billie Joel did, to be honest with you." "I don't know, Billie Joel. He was he five foot three. He's not starting fire." "He's starting fires. He had a huge song about it. Tulsi, you're in a crazy moment in history right now." "Yeah." "You're rumored, rumored. We'll get to the bottom of it here to be the potential VP pick for not one, but two presidential candidates. One came from Anthony, Anthony Holloway himself. "Okay." "Thought you were going to run with RFK Jr. Now, I had read that as well, and it was a fun story at the time. It appears as if he's picked somebody as of yesterday, the entrepreneur chick who nobody's ever heard of, but has a lot of money." "Correct." "Brin something?" "No, that was her ex-husband, Brin Sergei Brin was her ex." "Yes." "So, Sergei Brin is one of the founders of Google." "Yes." "Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha." "That explains it on the money." "That's on Larry Cage." "Yes, and he needs money, apparently." "I don't know, RFK does. I was thinking of Sergei." " No, Sergei is all set. Sergei does. Yeah, he's fine, but RFK does." "Yeah, you know, running, obviously running for president in any situation costs a lot of money." "I think the average candidate this year is going to spend $4 billion for the two major parties. Last time, it was like $2.5 total, and that's including the tax and everything." "That includes the super PACs and all of the kind of, but to also, I mean, he's chosen a very hard path, it's hard to run for president in general. He chose a Democratic primary, then dropped out midstream and decided to run as an independent. And to run as an independent, you're taking on both political parties and the propaganda media and big tech and all of these forces who essentially profit and benefit from being a part of the cabal of the power elite. And so to have someone who's able to run a serious campaign as an independent is a threat to them. So the money thing, and this is a whole topic in and of itself, but the money thing as much as you might not like it, is a practical reality when you're essentially waging an information warfare, information warfare as they are." "Yeah, because it's costly, and you've got to get all these people on your side. You've got to go out there and buy them out." "And you have to, you know, you've got to have, like they ran a $7 million ad during the Super Bowl." "Debatable, whether that was the best use of $7 million and you don't have a lot of money. But you know, that's what it costs. You've got to get your name out there. You've got to get your message out there. And what I found when I ran for president in 2020 was that, you know, even on a, like, who knows if there's going to be presidential debates this year? That's a valid question that this norm that's existed forever, it may not happen at all. And for a candidate like Bobby Kennedy, I know he's counting on and has been counting on, being able to stand on a stage with President Biden and President Trump and have that opportunity to make his case to the American people. I don't know that he'll get that. Oh, that's definitely not happening. You don't think so? No. Do you think Biden won't even sign off on any of these debates? Because if he doesn't, Trump's not going to, which means Bobby doesn't get a shot on stage. He's an outside shot. They'll pump him full of Adderall like they did the other day for the State of Union and let him go after it. But it's risky, man. I mean, I think it would be more likely than a direct one on one debate, even more town hall style where the moderators only ask questions, but you know, Trump, right? He's just going to go off. Yeah. Right. And the debates are important, especially for a candidate who's trying to get their name out there. We'll go back to you, for example. That's how I found out about you. When you were on stage going up against Kamala Harris and absolutely eviscerated her overnight, everybody knew your name, Tulsi Gabbard, Tulsi Gabbard, Tulsi Gabbard. And you were the one who essentially got her to drop out of the presidential race. That's what it felt like. Now, I don't know what the real story was behind the scenes, but that's a major famous over there. What was interesting is, and still people I run into all the time in the airport or wherever, like that's usually one of the first things they say is like, you were the one who took out Kamala. I'll tell you behind the scenes, some of my friends who are working in some of the green rooms or the newsrooms at that debate, and they have this whole thing after the factory going and you have the media is all in one room waiting to talk about this and rehash and everything else, that when that happened, there were people in the green room for CNN and these other things. They were cheering. Finally, someone told the truth about Kamala Harris and her horrible record as a prosecutor, as attorney general, and I thought that was interesting that they were also afraid to bring it up themselves, even though it was obvious and that they were happy to have the truth out there. But to the debate formats, I forget how many debates I participated in, but on average, I had six to eight total minutes of talking in a two hour long debate with 10 people on the stage. You got to make the most of it. You got to make the most of it. Yeah. And now that she kept people in jail for weed forever, in the head, exculpatory evidence and enforced the Biden crime bill. And the hypocrisy of her doing that. And then going, I think it was Charlemagne's podcast and the answer, she smoked weed. She started laughing. She's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was a joke. Why? Just like for the sake of honesty, I'm high right now. Yeah. No. Every day, I assume you're on something. I'm not on weed though. Right? Yeah. Is it life today? Yeah. I don't like it. It's like crocodile stuff that eats your skin on a full-on Florida. Oh, a big fan of that. But we're going to watch a real life transformation happening here. Oh, we're going through the Florida man videos for the next three hours. We're kidding. It's not a three hour show. But with you, you made the most out of that eight minutes. Yeah. And to me, I was like, finally, because I lived in California when she was attorney general there and all that stuff, the DA there. Because I knew what she had done, but unless you live there, you don't really know. And you're able to hide some of these stories. Well, people in California know, people in California, and it's shocking to me that Gavin Newsom keeps getting elected to stuff and comable for him because they are the architects of all the horseshit that happened in San Francisco, the stuff that London Breed doubles down on now pretends she's part of the solution for, which is that's my favorite part of politics right now is her being like, "We got to do something about crime." And she's the mayor of San Francisco. Fuck you talking about. Yeah. We're paying people 85 grand a year to walk around and collect human shit off the ground instead of just arresting people like we normally do. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it shows how dangerous some of these politicians are though. That a guy like Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris, they can make their way through California politics is a whole thing in and of itself. And I've never lived there, but I've been told how completely corrupt and rigged the system is because of the unions and all of these special interests that will get their person into position, you know, the well-being of the people be damned essentially. But I think the record of Gavin Newsom in California, obviously he wants to run for president. He wants to be president. There's going to have to be a lot of people telling the truth so that people don't fall for charisma and I don't know if you saw that debate he had with DeSantis. I did. It was interesting. That's one of the, that debate was almost as bad as like Al Gore versus Admiral Stockdale back in '92. I don't know if you're about the age when he pulled out the hearing aids. Yeah. Admiral Stockdale, he had spent six years underground in a Vietnam prison camp, right? So, you know, I mean, no offense, but he was basically retarded at this point and he just kept saying, oh, I have to get back to you on that over a long time. finally a mid no live mid debate pulls out his hearing aids and goes I'm all done here. I'm all checked out here. He's like just some salty all due to the VA that's had enough. I think Phil Hartman played him on SNL. Which was a perfect casting choice. But like it's it's interesting when you go into a debate armed with just the facts right because new sums of piece of shit and you know whatever you think about the see and this he's done a pretty good job in Florida. I'm sure you can find a complaint about anybody but just like some of the claims that Newsome makes about the state of California. When I say the state I don't mean the physical state. I mean like the state that it's in right now. It's like demonstrably untrue right. You can just go look that shit up. It's you would think in the age of the Internet that where you can just go look stuff up on the Internet. People would lie less but they've lied more more and it's in our faces more and that's something I wanted to ask you about today. I know you you've got a book coming out here on April 30th for love or country. Do you get into the debates there and then these candidates like Newsome and everybody else that's coming down the line. Yeah this book for love of country the subtitle is leave the Democrat party behind and I go into my own experiences of having been 21 years old in Hawaii. I was running for State House and my why I decided to join the Democratic Party because I didn't come from a family of like you know my dad was a Democrat and his daddy was a Democrat and all that my parents are very independent thinkers raise us fourth of five kids on the fourth of five kids raise us to be independent thinkers and so in the book I really talk about why I made that decision then the experiences that I've had now for over the last 20 years as a vice chair of the DNC as a member of Congress for eight years as a candidate in a Democratic presidential primary and really exposing the truth of how corrupt this system is and and how people these people especially now and and the foremost reason why I left the Democratic Party they're motivated by power and willing to destroy anyone and everything including the Constitution in order to hold on to that power or get more and so I go into a lot of different examples of of exactly what that looks like how they're doing it and who is impacted and it's not just people like in working in politics it's affecting us in in almost every aspect of our lives no matter where you live in the country in all your social settings yes if you go to dinners or or meetings or you're playing with kids it it comes up politics comes up now it didn't used to 15 years ago nobody cared and you could still you know break bread with somebody now it was like our uncle right yeah like there was one uncle at Thanksgiving and he was like JFK's a fucking communist like maybe he's not alive to tell me differently it's amusing yeah it used to be fun but yeah it's not anymore and now it's become a hard line it's a hard line where you know people are demonized apps actually demonized if you have a disagreement on on an issue or you like one candidate or another candidate you know families are are disowning family members friends are just like no I can't talk to you anymore that's happened to me it's happened to so many different people because what yeah political differences and and and really to me what it comes down to and this is both the problem and where I see the solution as we head into this next election which is the most critical of my entire life where where our ability to live in a free country is on the line nothing less than that is what's at stake and so the problem is we have far too many people in power both in government and outside of government both elected and unelected bureaucrats who only care about power and they don't care about our constitutional republic our actual foundation as a country too many Americans have gotten sucked into this hyper partisan divisiveness that that many people have forgotten who we are as Americans first and what we stand for what this country stands for so to be in a position now where where it's an open point of discussion like I don't know maybe we shouldn't have freedom of speech in this country because of hate speech and disinformation and you know you go down the laundry list of excuses that that's being used to censor people the fact that that is is an actual point of conversation in many circles points to the deep problem that we have and also the solution where if we come together around those fundamental values of freedom and get out and vote throughout the people who are abusing their power and put people in both parties who at a minimum are committed to upholding the constitution that is how we begin the process to get back on track and with you personally from what I've read and correct me if I'm wrong here your father's not real aunt that your republican has made some statements recently saying I don't know what's going on over there and I have no idea what's happening in that party you've obviously hacked into our family chat how about did I do that sorry group chat what is it what's your what's your family chat what's on signal so you know you probably weren't able to ask it's white lotus season one yeah that's your group chat over there my dad and I are best friends and like he I didn't even know that he talked to us a today for this article but he sent me the article he's like they took me way out of context I recorded the whole thing they screwed up my dad's a state senator in Hawaii he is the chair of the agriculture committee loves and supports me and everything I do as I do him but I don't know what question they asked him is probably about you know VP this or this or that or whatever and he gave them an honest answer which is like I'm really busy right now we're in the middle of our legislative session I don't know the details of what's going on something along those lines okay so there's no there's no problems in the in the home just making sure no I'm glad I'm glad we cleared it up I know that when he read that and that's why he texts me right away he's just like I know he I mean he's sensitive he wants to make sure that that I know that he loves me and all that sure but on the flip side of this I think it the question came because it is also rumored like I said at the top of the show that you might be on the short list for former president Donald John Trump to be his VP is it John it is John yeah James well you're not going to get that job now pulsing she's that out dude don't let him see don't let him see it don't let him see it but it was Jamal be great if it was you know he should he'd really get that black book get some street credit or wood is that something you would even consider or have considered did you even hear that interview on on Fox when they asked him that question your name was in there I was sitting on on the couch at my friend's house in DC when that town hall happened and I had gotten I think it was my sister someone else had sent me a clip of it so that was the first time that that I that I saw or heard such an interaction of course of course I'd consider it I think the most important thing for me in my life whatever position I may be an in office out of office is doing my best to be able to serve our country and our country is in a state of existential crisis right now and both with domestic issues as well as foreign policy to be in a position where I could actually help support president Trump and executing his policies to secure our border to bring inflation under control to improve our economy to support small businesses to to stop us from continuing down this path that president Biden's taken us on where we have we have multiple fires around the world that are pushing us closer and closer to the brink of you know war world war three nuclear catastrophe you know those are things that I would be honored to be in a position to actually help solve these problems and get us back to where we need to be I think voting for Republicans is the way to solve that because I don't think I agree with that frankly I think that well he is not I think I know that the Democratic Party President Biden President Harris you know there's a lot of questions oh is there someone going to be switched out it doesn't really matter whether it's president Biden or someone else because we've seen how the Democrat elite across the board are intent on voting on to power and willing to destroy our country in the process so you know whoever people want to vote for they can vote for but understand and know that to be true and there are so many pieces of evidence that prove that I'm not saying there are problems in the Republican Party as well you know we look at you look at the uni party in Washington the uni party in Washington made up of both Democrats and Republicans are eager to go to war you look at this whole TikTok bill that was just fast tracked through the House and is sitting before the Senate that's a that was a huge majority vote between Democrats and Republicans in the House and it is a fundamentally anti freedom something Ron Paul recently said is mostly agreed the most egregious attack on civil liberties and freedom since the Patriot Act on 9/11 so so this is not to say you know one party evil one party good it is it is it is a statement of fact that the party in power in the White House is destroying our country and our freedom and at a minimum we got to stop the bleeding and begin to start to rebuild by electing the right people in office in both parties of course I agree because you know Dan and I have talked about this ad nauseam here on this show as far as let's just take the wars are concerned it seems like both parties are pushing in for this on each side in this funding for Ukraine in Israel and Hamas it's almost like I'm on the ground over there but but with that's why is the question because they all want to line their pockets at the end of the day it's that simple right yeah why why even think about it any farther than that it's it's which is why you know I don't think that the average Americans problems get solved in Washington D.C. I think that's an insane belief and it also gives entirely too much power to people who weren't meant to have in the first place right we are a federalist system of government yes which is to say the federal government has a very short enumerated set of powers and then that's it yes that's not how we operate anymore no and that's a bipartisan problem it is yeah I mean it's it's you know you give somebody power they're not giving it up that's a problem yep unfortunately and I don't think voting is going to undo that particular problem there are too many people though that are they see the log jam or whatever you want to call it or the unit party and become fatalistic or hopeless and think that somehow political violence or something is going to is inevitable I don't think that's true at all I think people just being responsible for their own lives probably helps a little bit yeah and then saying no to the government like there's two very concrete examples of the collective power of no that have happened the last couple years the first is covid and the restrictions the lockdowns the force vaccination all that horseshit people capitulated to it and the government ran rough shot over the country and fucked us up added what 15 trillion or so probably to the debt created 40 year high inflation and then there was a second version called the government governance disinformation board DHS and everybody was like fuck that we're not doing that and it went away within three months right yes like very for DC terms it went away very quickly and I think that the Missouri versus Biden court case which Bobby Kennedy is his party to was another good example of of how the checks and balances in our system are supposed to work or a judge actually had the courage and audacity to say no President Biden you and your people will not coordinate with these big tech companies to decide whose voices are censored and who's are not and that week that they announced that that that court hearing or that that ruling the White House actually had to cancel meetings with meta and Google that they had plans specifically to determine how they were going to stop quote unquote disinformation in the 2024 election yeah they fired that lady and now she works for the British government is that right oh yeah she's the one covering up for Kate's covered a cave middle she probably is yeah where's Kate goes back to the kingdom it sure does it all ends up in the crown doesn't it's at the end of the day we need to throw these people back in the harbor yeah get our tea back is what we need to do about three or four weeks ago you were down there doing a fundraiser in Marlago yeah for it was a fundraiser this is this is kind of it was an amusing experience for me the organization is called the 917 society it's a nonprofit started by this this woman who on her own understood and saw the problem that our kids go into school are not learning about the Constitution she's like I want to do something about this so she made it her goal starting with a very small group of schools to get pocket sized constitutions in the hands of every eighth grader and she's been at this a few years now and has expanded now to last year they got a million constitutions into eighth graders hands in different states across country wow and this year their goal is to hit two million so I learned about them a couple years ago I wanted to get out to one of their events I'm not able to make it happen this year it happened and I was and I was and I'm very proud to support their cause and their mission the funny thing that I didn't expect was you know I said yes to do this event I don't know ended last year early this year it was held a few weeks ago and it was at Marlago and I started getting all kinds of messages from people there's just an assumption that if you're doing something at Marlago it is with President Trump yeah and they're like hey how do I you know can you comp me a seat at this thing and I was like well it's not my event the seats are fifteen hundred dollars it's a fundraiser so no I can't like well I want to see you in our president all anyway it was just funny I was like look he's not on the program maybe he drops by maybe he doesn't it the event was held the night of the state of the union so he did not drop by he was in a room next door doing his live truth tweeting truth social truth social anyway it was a phenomenal event and we had people from all over the country some of them were big donors to this nonprofit others were people who were in Broward County in Florida which is not a conservative or Republican County at all there was a woman who was there with her family they went and and got these constitutions to the hands of every eighth grade public school class in Broward County. Which is really awesome I think this is really important but you know what the speculation was speculation was Tulsi's going to meet with Trump and they're discussing VP options and then they're gonna couch it is this fundraising events with air quotes and that you guys had some secret conversation about when you guys would announce and all that other stuff so for the record you didn't talk to him at all I didn't see him on that trip really no you just happened to be at his house essentially and you didn't talk to him at all I mean it's a pretty big place. It's not according to the judge in New York it's only 18 million so you know sorry so no conversation you get out of there all the headlines the next day said this exact phrase Tulsi Gabbard goes full MAGA yeah which sounds like an action film and like the late 80s I don't like what is that how do you define full MAGA I think it's probably defined differently by different people but there was ultra there's ultra headlines yeah there's cut there's a color system I think Marjorie Taylor Green's outfit during the State of Union would would classify or qualify as full MAGA oh for sure she's been on this show yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah she's been on it she's been on here not this crazy as you think in real life by the way most of these people aren't so with that you didn't meet you didn't discuss politics presidency vice presidency anything else but now you're lumped in with the MAGA crowd and it's Tulsi Gabbard's a hardcore I mean it kind of feels like page six doesn't it does like none of that shit's ever true here's the cool thing that that first of all every event that I've ever gone to that that has had Trump supporters and there were a lot of Trump supporters there in the crowd that night I think they were probably hoping to be able to meet him as well they are people who in my experience have been kind and welcoming and people who love our country period and you know I'll take this all the way back to I think it was like the middle of 2022 I got a call from my friend Kristi Noem who said hey the organizers of CPAC wanted to invite you to come and deliver a keynote speech at CPAC at their big annual thing in DC and I was like that's interesting yeah of course I'll go and talk to anybody and when I was backstage about to go out and deliver this speech it was during their big Reagan dinner Matt and Mercedes Schlapp who run that organization they're like well we have no idea how our crowd is going to respond to you so we are going to physically walk you out one on each side of me because we just like I don't know people I was like what are you wearing a throw like rotten tomatoes at me or something and they're like maybe it could happen with this crowd but it was cool because they did walk me out I got a huge and resounding warm welcome from that crowd I was still a Democrat at the time I hadn't yet left the Democratic Party and I gave a speech about freedom and the thing that I care about most and after that speech I stuck around to meet people and it was it was very moving the kinds of response and comments that I got back from them it was just about how refreshing it was to hear from somebody who probably isn't and hasn't been in the circles that they run in and to recognize hey there are actually a lot of Americans in this country from across the political spectrum who share that same fundamental love of country and who cherish freedom and peace and prosperity and so that's where you know the fact that President Biden has chosen to use the term the MAGA Republicans and the speeches he's given basically labeling the quote unquote MAGA Republicans as the biggest threat to our democracy in the country it's not only I mean I know why they're doing it to foment fear but nothing could be further from the truth in my experience with people that I've met who consider themselves the MAGA Republicans or the ultra MAGA Trump supporters they're people who really do love our country and who have taken up this cause because they are so concerned about the attacks on who we are as a country. Yeah and by the way same experience in 2016 when Trump was running on the House they gave us full access to all the campaigns Republican Democrat even the independents and we had most of them on the show got to meet Trump his entire family everything else. The crowds there were just so overwhelming and it felt like a party and a gathering and it gets together it felt like a really sweet Renfair is what it felt like we were just like okay cool same exact experience with all of these people here they're not crazy the media makes them out to be they do care about the country and because you care about the country and you don't want you know two million immigrants coming over the border every single month per year per year yeah it feels like monthly yeah feels like monthly at this point but they're saying for this year and I don't have all the numbers at my fingertips but they're saying for this year they're anticipating it will be up to eight or nine or ten million people. We'll see right I mean it's hard to say the previous years they've gone somewhere between two and two eight yeah so far that's the that's the people we've encountered we don't know about the other way. And I think that's the hard the hard to quantify is how many get away from. But we estimate something like 25 million total illegals in the country right now give or take which is you know that's what seven percent of the population here you want immigrants that's weird yeah I mean it feels a lot like Rome and the reason the city eventually failed. I'm going to I'm going to the border next week in California and I have a friend of mine who who's a veteran of the Marine Corps who just who sent me a text last week just saying hey there's a huge untold story of what's going on at the California border and that the situation there is far more worse and more extreme than the stories that are being told about what's happening in Texas. Yeah I mean a lot of the stories that are being told don't include the fact that if you're an unaccompanied woman or female child you get sent to a stash house for about two weeks or so and you get gang raped and fed drugs and then they push you out to some place or another right that's pretty routine and I've been talking about this for a couple years now because I got buddies of work down there. The U.S. government has been complicit in an M.B.M. Inc. Southwest key programs there's a lot of NGOs that are getting paid millions and millions of dollars to traffic children around the country right now right and I haven't seen one Republican do a goddamn thing to stop it not one I don't even see him talking about it like this is this information is available now right these people have been caught doing these middle of the night transports of illegal immigrants all over our country including unaccompanied children and now one motherfucker in D.C. has done a goddamn thing about it not one nobody's even tried to do anything about it. Well let me ask you about that do you think it goes back to what Trump said back in 2016 because he got killed for this in the press where he said there's murders, rapists coming across the border and everything else are people afraid to say anything because they're going to be lumped into that same category and how the media is going to paint them because that's what I can't figure out either is the Republicans haven't brought it up either Democrats you know why they want to hide California obviously Newsons running and everything else and Nope Democratic party is great and we got to get Biden in for another four years and then I'll be after him so we're all good here no need to say anything at the border of California but is that it and then what's the solution for it in your opinion. I think there are there are too many Democrats and politicians in general from both parties who are making their decisions driven by fear rather than by recognition that we actually have to do something and take action to solve this. On the Democrat side you know they're under the control of this this kind of woke cabal and those who don't fall in line with their woke agenda. They face a lot of the treatment that I got a lot of the treatment that Bobby Kennedy got which is just an attempt to cancel you and smear you and completely destroy you your credibility and your reputation. That's a common sense minded people there but they are not willing to speak up for fear of their own political career being destroyed. And then I think it's also just a fact that they see this open mass illegal immigration issue as one that potentially works to their favor in their in their political outlook. I think that this is coming up in whatever six or so years now and they would like to see some of these states completely in districts redrawn given this new dynamic of having millions of illegal immigrants now in our country. But do you think they would vote Democrat because Dan and I have always said for the last three or four years more and more Latino voters are going over to the Republican side because they just came from either a regime or some type of gang influence in whatever country Well these people aren't going to be voting like the more direct threat right now is the next time a census happens right so a census happens. Everyone gets counted whether they're a citizen or not right and then you get reassigned new or more districts based on that so California last census in 2020 lost a congressional district because people are fleeing that state rapidly. Now the opposite can happen too. And notice this is this is why I believe that the government is shipping them all over the country to major cities instead of just leaving them at the border because you put them in more major cities population density goes up you get an extra congressional district in Philadelphia for example right or boss in a row New York is a critical one too they they Democrats lost seats in New York in this last election as well. So it's not just about the voter themselves a lot of it is just a numbers game I guess. And some of some of there was a congressman from New York who who said that out loud she's saying hey some people are saying there's quote unquote no room at the end. She said come to my district we welcome you I need you for redistricting purposes. She said what a lot of them don't have the courage to say out loud. Which is interesting to hear. I think the other issue I think it's important to bring up when we talk about the border is something that we've known has been happening for a very long time which is you have members of different Islamist terrorist organizations coming across the border. Yeah that's what I was caught what Monday wait to these Tuesdays it was Sunday yeah with a pipe bomb and he was heading to New York City FBI Director I think last week talked about how they're concerned about ISIS connected human trafficking happening. Well maybe they should have paid attention to that. Exactly. Instead of Catholic moms. Exactly. Exactly. And that's that that's you know points to the serious national security threat that they are creating by allowing this to go on. But this is what happens this is why federalism has worked for so long because decentralization fixes that particular problem it prevents the centralization and amassing a power in one place. So I don't think the federal government should even exist I don't kind of a radical on that I think it's pointless. But I want to hear your thoughts on like if Vivek remiswami who's I know your guys are friends has said some he's on the Javier Malay side. Like let's start getting rid of the ATF and the FBI and so on and I agree with him I think they're fucking dysfunctional organizations and anybody that anybody that has the attitude or the predilection to try to control other people is a problem. That person has to be rooted out of any kind of position of power in any way that we can so I want to hear your thoughts on that. Yeah, no I think that I agree with the need to to get back to what our founders intended in having localized control, essentially localized control and remembering and going back to the reason for our constitution was to ensure that it pointed out the limitations of what our federal government should be concerned with. I think that it is necessary and healthy for us as a country to have a lot of these conversations and debates that people in Washington are unwilling to have around things like for example the department of education. What is the purpose of the federal department of education. They are dictating things that are impacting people at the local school level. One example that I learned about when I first ran for Congress in 2012 was Hawaii obviously is very connected with and rooted in Native Hawaiian culture. It is a part of everyday life for everyone. There was a woman there who was teaching in an elementary school she was teaching kids how to sing Hawaiian songs and Hawaiian music and Hawaiian culture. Well after some federal legislation passed she got fired because this auntie who was probably in her late 50s who spoke fluent Native Hawaiian well she didn't have a master's degree or she didn't have a bachelor's degree. But you can't you can't send you know someone who's 20 years old to go to school and learn the richness of Native Hawaiian culture that she has had from her life. And those little examples that impact specifically local schools in Hawaii that will be very different in other parts of the country the federal government is intervening in and going to a place where they have no business. What to speak of at the broader level where we have essentially across the country over half of people are graduating from school functionally illiterate from our education system. It's called social promotion. So if too many kids from certain areas are educationally suited to get promoted to the next grade they do it socially because they don't want a 16 year old and fourth grade basically even though they read at a third grade level. Yes social promotion it's evil nonsense it's actually from Bush it's from the leave no child behind act is where that came from just like generations of incompetence now. Yeah because I'm from Georgia and somebody taught me how to eat peaches growing up. My teacher did and they weren't from there I would tell you get the hell out of the state you get out of here I know how to eat a garden. You know when people say diversity is our strength they're full of shit right because any time anybody tries to actually be diverse in a real way they shut that shit down that's what public education is all about it's about shaping factory workers. Right it's Henry Ford's model and Rockefeller's model like we want compliant workers. Fuck that. And I agree with you here because why is that at a federal level when locally yeah you can't teach these things that go on in people's cultures. I mean and just like you know you can't go and change education policy as a parent or as a concerned member of the community by going to your local board of education and having them basically say well hey look these are federal mandates we can do anything about them. Period. Well they can though right the way to do it is to reject federal money because the federal government only has power if you have your hand out. Those guys exactly that's the way to deal with it right is to start getting involved with programs like Tim Kennedy's Apogee program for example and teach your own kids and let those assholes mind their own business. So my parents you know they saw this problem way a long time ago and they made the decision there's five kids they homeschooled all of us specifically for this reason is they they were not willing to seed our upbringing and you know the instilling of certain values and our education to some random stranger in a school. There's a lot less resources available at that time and I give them so much credit for making that decision at a time when it wasn't popular but it's more of that more of encouraging and providing different kinds of support to parents to be able to make that decision best for what's best for their kids. So if you did get in there let's say you were Trump's VP and he said hey I'm going to shut this down I'm going to shut down DOJ I want to shut down teachers you know the education department all that other stuff. You would be in support of that FBI CIA. I think that within everyone I can't think of a single federal agency or department or institution right now who is living up to fulfilling its constitutional role. And so I think every federal agency is ripe for challenging whether or not its existence is validated or validated in being able to serve the best interest of our country and meeting its the federal government's role in our constitution. And I think we've got to do that and question everything in every federal agency. 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What about like we found out last week there's some league documents that the CIA had a couple of hundred people at January 6, right? CIA's mandate is foreign and not domestic. As a matter of fact they're legally required to operate through a domestic agency to do anything stateside. But yet they were doing it anyways. We also know there were 180 I believe federal agents. In addition to that in the crowd out there. What are your thoughts on all that? Because that seems kind of fucking weird to me to be honest. I mean the whole thing is weird. The whole thing is weird. But that part in particular is pretty weird. Yeah. And that's not the only thing. I think there was another report that came out showing that our intel agencies got other foreign countries intel agencies to spy on President Trump or surveil President Trump or his supporters. Yeah, that's not new though. It's not new. But the point is there are so many different examples of how they have egregiously and increasingly brazenly are using these powers that are supposed to exist for national security and turning them against Americans. And not just like random samplings of Americans across the country but specifically fitting within this category of those who are either direct political opponents of the Democrat elite and those in power or those who are challenging them. And a lot of that started with Obama in 2015 once Trump announced that he was going to run that steel dossier bullshit like it was funded by the DNC. I mean it's like, I don't know that the FBI has ever been weaponized by the presidency to go after a political rival before. I know that Hoover did that on his own quite a bit. As a matter of fact that's a big reason he started the agency in the first way. He's the ghost, dude. He's the biggest piece of shit in the American history maybe. He's the ghost is spying on people though. And the building is still named after. Yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy. But to that point that persisted well into Trump's presidency even. So the Obama influence over federal agencies persisted. That's that again is another thing that's very bizarre to me. And there are even people who Trump appointed within his own cabinet who either allowed this to continue or frankly just did nothing about it. And this is where I think it's essential should he be reelected that he chooses people to serve in these leadership positions. Not only those at the very top but the thousands of political appointees that he has the responsibility to appoint be people of courage who are not going there and looking for their next political job in order to actually truly execute the cleaning house that needs to occur across all agencies. Because as you know well it's the middle managers and a lot of these bureaucracies who their whole philosophy is like hey we know we're the ones with the power. We know we know we're the ones that actually make things happen. Voters. Yeah, you know they'll pick someone they'll stay there maybe four years maybe eight years we will outlast them all. And we will do everything we can to block the policies we don't like and enact our own mission or vision or whatever. And a lot of this came I mean a lot of this was exposed during Trump's presidency. People like you know Alan Vinman and others who in congressional testimony said well I don't remember the actual. The actual quote but essentially saying that what we were trying to protect the country from the president and what he was trying to do which is such an incredibly dangerous mindset when you look at how our system is supposed to work. But that's what government does though right I mean it eventually becomes such and it's it becomes patrician or aristocratic and eventually the attitude turns from servicing the community to thinking for them right like it's it becomes a nanny state eventually and telling people what they can and can't do for their own sake which is you know I can figure I mean I don't have thirty four trillion dollars in debt. So I don't want to hear anything from the federal government frankly until they can figure that out I haven't lost multiple wars. I haven't completely fucked my foreign policy for the last hundred years. So maybe you guys do your thing and shut the fuck up right. Yeah because like it's anytime anybody who appeals any anybody in this current political generation that appeals to their foreign policy experience. I'm like all right cool let's look at these box scores right quick. Let's check the example looks like you lost everything. Yeah you fucking incompetent turd right. And when Eric was on the show Eric Trump last year I'd asked him I said what would your father do differently if he were to get reelected. And he goes look I think he was naive in the fact that all these people were going to work with him that were under him. And this next go round will be a lot difference where you know I told him this I said look it felt like everybody was out for a book deal. They're in and out in a couple weeks try to get whatever they could record whatever they could get out of there sign a huge book deal and then make a career in something. Like an Adam Kingsinger on CNN or something like that where you're like all right I gotta parlay this into something. And I think Scaramucci he's won he's won. Oh he walked off the show. I think I called him a cunt. I don't remember I mean I call people. I'm sure he probably remembers. Yeah he's a little fella he's a little fiery guy. He's a tiny man but yeah he wasn't he wasn't thrilled. His was over the vaccine is what he walked down. Oh yeah he said we were agents in China because we weren't forcing our employees to get vaccinated. I'm like really. Yeah we said look I don't we're I don't even think you guys are technically employees. I just pay you under the table in cash and that's kind of it so. I thought they were slaves. Yeah for a lot more elves or something. I'm pretty sure the Keebler elf thing is a whole slavery. Same. It feels like it doesn't. But if you dress them up cute it doesn't really feel like slavery. So they're on drugs. Yeah just kind of sugar. If you're eating cookies all day. Are you really working a day of your life? You know you're going to ask yourself that. But it was interesting to hear him say that and I think he's right. I think he will learn from the experience of going back in there. I think you know you have the four years off. You're able to study some game tape and then and then try to figure it out. As far as immigration is concerned this is what I have personally said on this show. And I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I think you should shut down the border for 10 years. Just get a count of everybody who's here. Shouldn't be here. Get them out. Obviously you want some people to stay and do some of the jobs that you know the white men won't do or whatever the media is going to you know call it. I think a 10 year ban of just immigration as a whole to we get a count of our country would help not only financially but it would help with the budgets and everything else. And then we could actually figure out who's here and then how to help these people if they're going to stay. And then who to get out like you mentioned earlier. And it was what 378 that were on the terrorist watch list that we know that are here. Yeah those are the only ones we know about. Right. Yeah. So let's get a count. Let's get a head count of everybody. Figure it out. Do another census. Well, luckily now a federal judge said that it's okay for them to purchase known firearms even if they're illegally here. Right. Which is kind of that's that's interesting. They don't believe that for us. No. No, but for them it's fun. That's weird. Right. I don't. Would that solve anything? I'll disagree probably meet you halfway. I think that that all of the efforts and energy and and I hope that I know based on what he has said that if President Trump has reelected this is this is the priority to shut down the border and actually put the resources to securing it. And working with the states and the governors obviously as the Biden administration has not in actually executing that using all the tools and technology that we have available. And and going through and looking at a the people who've come across the border over the last three plus years under the Biden Harris administration's open border policy. Find them and get them out and send a strong message. Anyone enters our country illegally or tries to enter our country illegally. You'll be immediately deported and you will not be allowed back in this country period full stop. I don't think we should go so far shutting down all all immigration legal immigration included because I think it ends up it ends up hurting us. And I got a call from a friend of mine who is about to retire as you know he's done over 30 years as a green beret. He wants to invite his his wife is from Europe. He wants to invite his wife's family to come to their retirements kind of a big moment in their lives on a tourist visa. They have jobs and kids in school and all kinds of things and they are being told they have been rejected. They are not allowed to come to America for two weeks to come to this significant milestone in this man's life who's given his life in service to our country. Because some bureaucrat was like yeah no I don't think so. We can fix that for you. Yeah. Sneaking me an Eagle Pass is open. No no I can make some phone calls that's easy to get that fixed. Eagle Pass is open too. I got a buddy. I'm really good at lifting up barbed wire. You can't see me scratches can you? No. Not one. One of the other things about this election that people aren't thinking about right now and is the composition of the Supreme Court. Because it hasn't really been made public yet but behind the scenes the DNC is trying to get Sotomayor to retire right now. They're really pressuring her to retire so Biden can put in a new younger person to take that spot. Because they're really worried about Trump doing exactly what he did last time which is put three justices on. How old is she do you know? It's young for anybody in politics. There's three in their 50s now. Four in their 50s right. Cantonji Brown Jackson in their 50s. The party guy what's his name Brett Kavanaugh. Yeah. The beer guy. Automatic. Still is. The white blonde lady what's her name. Amy Cody Barrett. Cody Barrett and then who's the other one. There's one other that's still in their 50s. I don't remember who it is. But even like. Gorsuch. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe this Gorsuch yeah. But the rest are older. Like Claire Thomas is in his 70s right. She's 69 now. So yeah I think the composition is going to change pretty soon. And that's to me is something I don't quite understand right now. Like the fact that they stayed with Biden as the nominee because there's no like he's incompetent. I'm not that conspiratorial generally speaking. But I do think Obama has more influence in the White House than Biden does right now. I think he's Obama and Hillary. I think he's president. But the fact that they're trying him out there still is the candidate is very bizarre to me. Considering it could be a seven to two court pretty soon. Like within the next two years it could be a seven to two court on the conservative side. Not that they always do things that are particularly conservative necessarily. But you would think they would be fighting harder in that particular area to be honest. Because they did last time. That was a big. That was a big political point they made. Huge. It was the top of the list. Yeah. Exactly. This guy's a racist. Also he's going to fuck up the court. Yeah. Now you don't hear anything about it. You know from the Democrat standpoint for the longest time they believed that Biden would be the only guy who could beat Trump. Whatever metrics they were looking at but also like hey he did last time. Whatever. Right. He was he was Uncle Joe. You know he was the guy who got along with everybody and you know was supposed to be the more you know centrist middle America moderate and he you know his administration has turned out to be the most radical and extreme progressive so-called progressive whatever that word means to a lot of people administration ever that's in history I so I think part of it for a while has been that just like hey he did it before he can do it again. But now as we're seeing it break in the media and amongst some influential Democrats who are being very open and saying like hey this guy's not all there. He shouldn't be the guy. Joe Biden is also very stubborn and you know it makes sense that he would believe that he's the guy and not go willingly. This is something he's wanted his entire life. Yeah. I don't see how he I don't I don't see how I've known him I've known him for years I don't see how he just says okay I'm going to walk away and let someone else do this. Yeah and I've changed my stance on that so I was wrong last year and I told the audience because I thought for sure he would step down over the holidays and say all right enough is enough. Newsome was out. There were a lot of signs in the in the public sphere. I think people encouraging that outcome. Newsome was taking trips to China. CNN was talking about potential replacements. Oh but it was always Newsome and Newsome was out doing press with everything and any interview he could get he was there so I was like all right they're going to slide this guy in and then he didn't over the holidays came back and apologize to the audience and said well I got this one wrong but everything that I've heard from the inside was the same thing that you just said that's he's so stubborn that he's one of this his entire life and if he dies in office who gives a shit that's what he's always wanted to do so why not just die on stage I guess you know maybe like a Mick Jagger will someday or something who knows and when you think about it there are a lot of people because he's clearly not running the show there are a lot of people behind the curtains who are benefiting greatly from having someone like him in that position where they can very easily be like hey here's your note cards there's the cameras here's what's going on here are the decisions that are being made and you look at you know you talked about President Obama who has said publicly like hey you know I forget what questions like do you miss it or whatever he's like you know my ideal day would be me staying at home my pajamas and running the country from my living room or whatever it was he said something along those lines and and then you've got Hillary Clinton saying she's like yeah I talked to the White House every day and you've got Hillary Clinton's guy Jake Sullivan running foreign policy for President Biden and you have President Obama's person Susan Rice running domestic policy under President Biden and so it's not you know yes there are many forces you know who will remain unnamed but on a day to day practical basis of how decisions are being made and who's in the room it's not at all a stretch to know that it's it's predominantly President Biden Hillary Clinton by proxy or directly who are who are calling the shots yeah you mean President Obama president Biden oh yeah I mean they look exactly I met President Obama they look pretty much like that was a mistake you should not have made that mistake I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah this is like like people when they think of the deep state that was good that was good people when they think of the deep state often think of like I don't know a group of like a cigar school filled room exactly a cabal somewhere is like no it's just assholes on the phone man it's it's it's not an envelope it's a cross the table it's a project in office with with handlers like Ron clan for example who's been handling Biden for what 20 years something like that that he like it's the unelected bureaucrats are a big problem because they keep they keep pushing the stuff that I don't think anybody really wants certainly people don't want this immigration I don't I don't really get to talk to a lot of so-called progressives because they won't right because I call them assholes all the time but um I would be really curious to see what they had to say about immigration I know what the progressive leaders are saying now it's like hey our cities are fucked yeah like yeah we told you well I think this election is going to come down to issues immigration and abortion um the economy I think economy and inflation remains remains near the top of that list you hope so right but it used to be the top every year it used to be every year but then it it wasn't because if you look at your receipts and your grocery bills and all that stuff a normal person would say this is crazy it is crazy why am I paying 25 dollars for a five guys cheeseburger here this is not yeah but I don't hear that from the left uh instead I hear abortion abortion abortion and I don't think the republicans did themselves any favors by having uh that dummy from Alabama come up and give uh an acting speech um on her first day a class like more classes would have been helpful just as a former director I'm saying this but um I heard Mitch McConnell made that switch at the last second over Vivek is that right yeah that's that's the rumor and uh the word on the street uh and I know some people on the street but I think he would have been the best one to do that now that puts that abortion thing front and center right out to the state of the union not great for republicans all the ads that was a huge mistake all the ads that are coming in right now are abortion abortion abortion save your state save your state when they should be this they should these this is this should be the ad right here I'm looking at a chart right now and you'll hear every every democratic party messaging center whatever it happens to be whether to pack or the media itself or a politicians campaign are talking about how good the economy's doing right now and it's doing great if you're wealthy yeah exactly if you're rich if your interest is in the S&P you're doing fine right but if it's in putting food on your fucking table not so much so um here's some this is from February 2020 until the day baby wipes are up 55 yeah I got three kids I can confirm that um bleach is up 75% that's weird I thought about drinking it every weekend that's true um cow milk is up about 20% deodorant uh 60% dog food 60% eggs 60% um nutrition bars 80% yep the chalupas are up 300% paper towel paper towels are up 40% potatoes are up 70% ramen noodles are up 75% right the stuff that poor people buy for example right so these people the leftists don't give a fuck about the poor they hate the rich that's all it is it's all it's ever been it's like a weird pathology where I don't I don't know if it's like but yet so many of them qualify as being quote-unquote rich yeah it's so weird right and then that's where yeah I mean none of them are talking about this and I think that they're using the same tactic with the economy as they are with the border and just pushing out like hey the economy's great and hoping people just believe it if they say it enough all the borders secure hoping that people believe it but this is where I think there's this is where I hope and I you know I don't have data to back it up but this is where I hope just and and I would add this whole thing with um you know title nine and people's daughters having to compete against boys in sports and and all this other stuff that these things that impact the everyday lives of the vast majority of Americans across the country that transcend the quote unquote politics or traditional differences of democrats versus republicans on different issues these are undeniable facts that that people are living every day so it doesn't matter how many times they're told hey the economy's great if they're seeing their paycheck go you know not nearly as far as it used to be because of this radical increase in and inflation I just hope that people pay attention to that you would think the mind has to rebel at some point yes yeah and I think Covid the whole Covid thing I think helped instigate that in people recognizing that hey one plus one what they're telling us is does not actually make sense here I hope so but I've and I said this earlier on a on Ross Patterson revolution this morning but I hope so the problem is they're doing things right now that are so blatantly obvious lies in front of our face on a daily basis um we'll take these Trump trials that are going on right now I talked about earlier with Mar-a-Lago great you have a judge that says you know what a moonlight is a as a realtor for Zillow and that's 18 million dollars now you're going to pay 454 million dollars or we're going to shut down all your properties it's currently going on nobody can stop it right now um then you have the thing in Georgia yeah oh Fannie Willis great she comes on she's got her lover clearly paid seven hundred thousand dollars he's saying she only got a few hundred bucks back in cash and vice versa you know what you get to stay on the case just just fire your ex-lover um I mean it's happening every single day in front of our face that I don't think they care anymore now when when people operate openly with impunity like that it's because they believe they are entitled to right with it's like you know um this is why you should never give the government power over anything I hate this there's too many every fucking bill now is called the bipartisan something right and it's like oh republicans and democrats are working together when republicans and democrats work together america suffers because of it because these people are the worst people in the fucking world that think that they have the right to hold other people's liberties in their hands and dole it out as they see fit right now eventually we're gonna have to get to this part of the conversation I think about your stance on the second amendment and how it's evolved over time I've got some thoughts on it but I want to uh just for the audience give us the elevator pitch right because it's our our audience cares about this yeah of course 80 percent of our audience is military and first responder um there are also fans of yours even when you were a democrat said you know what wish wish you would come over to the other side well first they were fans of moana moana and then you're swimming in a way yeah and then you came on board but where you lost some of them was on some of your particular stances on on to a yeah um where do you stand now on that going back to what Dan said um I support the second amendment uh you know my experience over the last several years in particular uh gave me a much deeper and greater appreciation for our founders intent for the second amendment uh what do you mean your experience like I mean well just just you know first of all I grew up in Hawaii which is I think it has the the most restrictive gun laws in the country uh the state legislature is currently trying to push even more restrictive gun laws during this legislative session as we speak and so my exposure to guns growing up was I mean you know my dad went and we shot a pistol a few times probably uh and that was pretty much it first time I ever touched a rifle was when I joined the military in basic training um even in that even in that atmosphere and environment it was you know as you know it was like okay you're gonna go sign your your rifle out of the armory um every single round that you have is accounted for it is in it in and of itself a pretty restrictive environment and even at best in the military a lot of them only shoot a couple times a year if if that um and so in in concept I had always supported the second amendment but uh when talking with different folks I I did not fully understand when people are saying well these are common sense gun safety laws and well maybe this if you do this thing it will help to uh prevent the next mass shooting in a school and I think there are a lot of Americans who who felt as I did well you know if if there's a way to strike that right balance where you're able to uh maintain people's rights to defend themselves and also try to prevent a mass killing then then shouldn't we try to do that um the the argument that was made that I had heard people make about our founders intending the second amendment not only to be right to defend yourself and your loved ones uh for recreational purposes or whatever uh but to serve as a check on the power of a tyrannical government in my mind it was like okay that I can't I can't imagine that scenario in my life uh and it didn't seem it didn't seem um it didn't seem real and that's where over the last several years we in my experience at least we have seen such a transformation where that has become a very real very real situation where the abuse of power is becoming so brazen um I got to spend a lot of time with folks uh during my 2020 campaign and since who who shared their experiences with me people who've grown up around guns and understanding well what is what is this quote unquote gun culture like and and what are the um maybe intended consequences for some I know a lot of democrats who want to get rid of guns completely get rid of the second amendment for some their unintended consequences um you know of some of these things that are sold as common sense gun safety laws and how they do directly infringe on our second amendment rights and how they are essentially these uh stepping stones toward um their ultimate goal and objective which is getting rid of guns and disarming the populace and uh so my views on you know things like the assault weapons ban have changed uh out of that learning understanding and that growth and in really um appreciating our founders full intent for the second amendment and and what that means to actually be committed to to supporting and defending it I think Ben Franklin said uh anyone that sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither yes um it's I've had this conversation with a lot of people about not just you but a lot of people have made this I guess um road to Damascus transformation over the last couple years it's it's easy to say it now that you're not voting on it right but your voting record says it tells a different story now I know people can change things change like that I guess I'm I from my perspective I'm it's less about guns specifically for me it's more about the relationships some people have with the Constitution itself this predilection to uh uh think for other people right this the idea that that anybody has the right to tell somebody else what to do how to defend themselves so on and so forth um is much deeper than just a gun issue right because it manifests itself in quite a few ways like we we talk about the bill of rights I doubt many people could even list them frankly that talk about them on a regular basis like I don't want troops cornered in my home but I don't think that's going to be a problem either uh but search it's easier something that should be worried about right so um let's say let's take this to a practical level you're in office somewhere with a voting power to do so um how would you react to let's say the ATF or the NFA the National Firearms Act that restricts all sorts of gun ownership and the fact that the ATF has created a two billion entry long gun registry which is against federal law things like that how would you handle those things specifically I think I think those are two uh two of the many examples where um government abuse of power and government overreach uh has has become rampant um I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on all of these issues but I think it calls into question whether or not those two should exist well they shouldn't right like why it let's say let me think of a good um metaphor year um let's say you're in a village and there's bears surrounding the village and I give you a tool to use to defend yourself against the bears but I give the bears a vote and how that tool gets used right that's not how that's supposed to go yeah um I don't know I've got it's it's really difficult for me to buy the the because it's now very politically expedient from people to jump on board with a lot of this conservative stuff that people have fought for for a very very long time yeah to be honest yeah no I I think your your and others skepticism is warranted it's warranted I think also if we are to hope to bring about change to our government to our laws that are currently infringing on our freedoms there has to be room for people like me to change to actually learn um you know if we are and and it's not only this issue but but there are many others if we close ourselves off to saying well um you know in my case well this was a bill that you co-sponsored this is a vote that you took I will tell you no I would not do that today I I'm not in a position of of elected office so I can't show you that and I don't expect you just be like okay cool got it I get it trust is earned absolutely but if if there is not an openness to having this kind of dialogue and frankly to helping and I wish people in congress would go and and go and hang out with a lot of my friends a lot of people I've heard from and I've learned from to be able to gain that understanding like in ten and people like that yeah of course and and gain that kind of understanding that that um that they clearly don't have and to challenge their assumptions or the things that they thought they thought to be true we should be encouraging those kinds of things um if we don't and it's just like hey you you're a democrat so you're like you're you're you're not a part you're not welcome then where do we go how do we grow how do we actually start to fix things I think there's no there's no ability to do that I agree and you do have to allow people to change because that's what we ultimately want for everyone um you know well otherwise what why are you in the argument right if you're not willing to hear somebody else now fuck hearing them like if you're not if your goal isn't to change their mind you don't actually believe what you're saying you just that's is yeah if you're just if you're just yelling and making your argument because you want to hear yourself make it that that's really what and unfortunately that's what a lot of our our so-called debate is about is people are more interested in hearing themselves rather than actually seeking to influence and inform and actually have a true meaningful engagement that frankly both people benefit from I know that I have over these years what are your thoughts on red flag laws because a lot of people have I mean it's an interesting question because if I were to tell you I have this data and if I give it to you then you can prevent something from happening right like yeah that's a fact does to say for the sake of argument that was a fact what responsibility do you now have to put that into power yeah my position is that the government should never have a say in that right because they're the thing we're defending against yeah frankly right but and I'll be I'll be very honest with you and your viewers I have a lot of concerns about the red flag laws and and also this is an area that I want to that I want to learn more about you know because I've seen and heard the stories about oh gosh I forget what state it was in but there was someone that was a friend of a friend who basically had a disagreement with his wife she left the house called the cops and said hey my husband has a bunch of guns and I don't feel safe or he's having a mental health breakdown cops came in got all the guns took them away and I don't remember if they arrested him I think they may have but basically they kept his guns and even after he proved like hey I'm not a risk to my wife or my family or myself or others he had to file a lawsuit to get his guns back and I believe I believe he may have taken this up I don't know if the Supreme Court decides for the year yeah I know the case yeah yeah I don't know I don't think it's made it to the Supreme Court yeah but but I think he was pursuing trying to trying to continue to challenge that so anyway that's that's that's the risk well one example of the risks that I see I mean that's a false that's a false positive in bureaucracy and it which is a risk it's which is definitely a risk and that like incompetence is always a risk with government right I mean just go to the fucking DMV yeah the the real risk is what we've seen over the past let's call it eight years which is the weaponization of the federal government against regular ordinary people yes so every rule they make just imagine it being leveraged against you correct I mean that's that because that's exactly what the fuck's gonna happen and now we're also dealing with this TikTok bullshit it looks like the Saudi government's trying to buy it now which is great for everybody correct like we definitely trust the people that did not buy the PGA and then the WTA which is the tennis association as well and combine that but I'll go back to what you said regarding 2020 here was January 6 the part of this change in stance on guns because it for me it was the first time in the show that the government could actually make something happen like look into everybody into you're banking records and see if you were in a city and it's going to arrest you yeah correct like yeah all right because before the last I guess before the January 6 thing I was like ah our government would never do that um you know I never even me personally Dan's got one right next to his desk obviously an AR-15 but me personally never thought about buying one got a couple hand guns feel feel safe and secure with those if anything were to happen around my house that was the first time where I was like oh shit man our government's capable of more than we even know yes did that have something to do with your change in stance yeah I would say it started before then but that certainly showed a serious escalation of force actual force by our federal government against political opponents and it has increased from there um you know the push by Elizabeth Warren to to force credit card companies to flag purchases of ammunition from wherever dick sporting goods or wherever wherever you go uh and and flagged as a quote unquote way to uh protect us from suspicious activity um you know the stuff we saw happening in Canada with the truckers uh the stuff that we saw happening with the IRS and the Obama administration targeting groups specifically who had patriot and nonprofits that had patriot in their field class revivals technically a terrorist organization yeah they teach people how to make uh rabbit traps and purify water in the fucking wild you haven't punched in the face by rabbit uh no it hurts you have oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah he's not work I mean the kangaroo thing I get those kangaroos gets your sundae you just got to keep your distance on the kangaroo though he's got short arms right yeah you can they're muscular though yeah they're jealous she did the real the real threat from a kangaroo is they'll prop up on their tail and they'll kick you with their back look kick the shit out of you oh okay with their back legs that's that's where you got to watch out yeah yeah uh but for me that's kind of where this all started and uh and then you know moving forward let's say you are the VP um do you think we will get an honest and fair election this fall I don't know do you think the last one was if there's any doubt there is no doubt right Robert De Niro said that one time didn't he was right yeah it was in uh Ronan I believe it was the movie but he's a profound statement yeah there's any doubt there's no doubt like if you if there isn't it's the same thing with our epistemology if there isn't like an absolute set of facts that we all agree on then it's not we're all fucking playing games here it's all nonsense right yeah I wasn't expecting a Ronan reference today so I'm going to go move it yeah the dude from the dude from uh uh John whatever the fuck his name is that French dude great actor Sean beans in that movie oh yeah yeah it's a great movie all those guys haven't seen it in years me too well 92 which was like yeah I was born yeah now 34 years old tender babe in the woods still am um but but you don't think 2020 was a it was a real election well well no I mean it was it was an election but I think that a lot of people are focusing on the wrong things when they're talking about it being a quote-unquote rigged election because you got to look at the the influence operations you got to look at that's what he said that for you like you don't have to hack a machine but you can hack somebody's fucking brain yeah that's exactly right and you look at you look at how how the parties were trying to uh tilt the scales um you look at you look at the the freaking ongoing coup that started against president trump from the time that he was running in 2016 we're talking about this the quote-unquote deep state and what that looks like that continued on throughout almost his entire presidency and still going on and is still going on and and this whole russia collusion thing was really at the heart of it is that ever I wonder maybe somebody knows this but has it ever happened before that a previous administration just can continue to control the the office after the old administration was out i'm sure it's happened i'm sure it's happened but not to this level because there's never been entire intelligence community it was like every retired i see guy who is a fucking uh like let's say uh out of gs right like above gs level was writing letters like oh this is real like no it's not and then they came back a couple years later with the hunter biden laptop like oh it's fake like no it's not right like how strong even though they knew yeah they knew when they wrote that letter when those 51 guys knew that when they wrote that letter that it was it was false uh but but so that that's my point is that uh it's important that people know the truth about what what is really going on because it will continue and we're seeing it happening right now with all of the different ways they've been trying to get president trump off the ballot um you know i i know that we will continue to see more of these kinds of effort and this is where um i i tell people as flawed and as problematic as this system is the only way we get to a place where we can start to fix it is is to engage in the process is to actually vote and make informed votes don't just follow blindly party line the democrats one of their things that i always found um just offensive was they would go up on stage over and over again saying vote blue no matter who like what vote blue no matter who i'm sure republicans would have said if they could have thought of anything clever right well i i was asked a couple of weeks ago by by an influential republican in in new york city at at a dinner just like are you going to stand with the republicans i said well which republicans are you talking about yeah i i told her i'm not gonna i'm not gonna stand with liz chaney right i'm not gonna stand with nicky haley what about that weirdo from new york george santa's he popped back in by the way state of the union he said he's gonna run again sure did he should he should he should run for president end of the back row he was all sassed up hello he was ready to rock there um yes i think it's what is it in his instagram bio or maybe it's his um i don't know only fans of calmer he says he's an i an iconic former member of congress yeah he's a little max anista's what he is he's a tj max guy something likes to get all classed up over there is that what they call it max anista they do on the streets again i've got people like classy joint tj max yeah whatever a t i love tj max is about being fiscally responsible you could you don't have a choice but to shop there now you can't afford anything else exactly uh most of these major cities they're shutting down everything else that's the only thing that's left there's ross is too right yeah not as no no bearing obviously uh now with your book for love of country that's coming out to april 30th you can pre-order that now on amazon what's something fun and flirty in the book that nobody knows about Tulsi gabard mmm fun and flirty i don't know about the flirty part but the fun part well i learned your husband's name was abraham today he was here and i said after lincoln yeah you guys went biblical yeah he's out there part in the red ends right with those mose i know which one was abraham he's out there making tribes we'll start with the traffic um you know i i get into some pretty um personal parts of my life that i that i haven't shared and don't really share uh publicly in the political realm because they are personal but but i get into um the central um role that god plays in my life in my own my own spiritual journey and relationship with god and and get into some of the experiences that i had um while i was running for president that um that were so eye-opening um and and kind of frankly revealed my naivete when i first started to run for president uh and expose the the toxic underbelly of of our american politics and how deeply entrenched the corruption and the rot in washington is uh in both parties and it is the uni party that always tries to to uh take away our freedom in the name of them or so that that they can get more power and very often done as we're seeing with tiktok bill in the name of national security which goes back to the ben franklin quote that you talked about yeah it's always the road to hell's paved with good intentions right yes it's true it's true um don't don't believe anybody that that's coming to sell you a miracle cure you know what i mean like yeah it's a social snake world i think this is this is what we need more of of from our our uh political leaders at every level is tell me the truth even if you know it's gonna piss me off and we you know politicians very rarely do that unless it's about the other guy right but but let's say let's take a guy like dan crenshaw for example um you guys share uh a lot of the same friends military everything else we were we were friends when he got to congress so i got to know him a little bit um and then what happened do you follow his stock advice no well you'd be top five he's being the s he's by 25 so you know i haven't talked him for a while and he hasn't reached out to me and and um but but i i think that his you know he is he has decided to take on the banner of of ukraine and this proxy war with russia and is pretty livid uh at those who say we shouldn't and i'm one of those people yeah same because it's in the border bill yeah and that's everybody's saying oh why why can't i have the border sorry the bipartisan border bill you stupid actually that's and that's my fault you stupid bitch that's my fault i'll wear that like santos today uh speaking of that what are your thoughts on russia uh like an off ramp to the situation because we had one before it ever started right had one uh an off ramp like we could have shut that shit down whatever started yeah then we had another ceasefire that was agreed to of bores johnson should have been fucked that up so who's gonna step in and fuck this next one out like because they're definitely ukraine is fucked right they can't fight this war so well they can't win it well fair enough yeah but like if you fight long enough without winning you lose sure so uh what what are you what are your thoughts on how this is gonna play out to be honest like i don't because i don't know it definitely depends on who gets elected in this next election yes uh i don't know who the intermediary or the or the the neutral broker will be but that is the only way that this happens and as you pointed out turkey attempted other countries have attempted to serve as that intermediary for discussions at a different times both countries were actively engaging in but it was the united states and others in the west who who have stood in the way of that that's the only way that is the only way that this ends otherwise it'll continue to be a war of attrition and uh and more and more innocent people um will die i'm very concerned about macron and his increasingly escalatory statements he's he's like tony blair all in he's like tony blair during iraq now yes that's what he is he's like the one dick hole in europe it's just like yeah let's look and do this right all right well send some troops there bud right yeah or you grants yeah well that's the problem like no don't send your troops there because if if he sends his troops there then you know it'll be you know it'll be hours before article five in nato is invoked and then it turns it turns into world war three yeah or bloodbath yeah bloodbath is another one that's a hot that's a hashtag bloodbath i was trending i saw that trending yes it was and then last but not least this morning there was a an op ed piece about you where they said i think tulsi would be a great secretary of state interesting is that a job that you would consider yes absolutely absolutely it would be good because we have the most incompetent group of cabinet secretaries right now that we ever have had ever ever my arcus is the worst yes that job that i've ever seen anybody be at a job budgez took four months of paternity leave while we had international shipping crises it's like somebody's got somewhere it's got to be good at something well yeah yes i mean and and you can look at okay well there are different people have different resumes and qualifications or whatever the case may or south bend yeah that you shouldn't bear even that shouldn't even be on your resume come on man his and it was it was uh it was interesting because we were both running for president at the same time in 2020 um his city in south bend was the same population as my district when i was on the city council in hona lulu which i thought was fascinating and someone during that time did a side-by-side comparison of headlines around the headlines when i announced my candidacy as a veteran he is a veteran served i think in the navy peep budgez announces his candidacy and they did a side-by-side of all the collection of the headlines and it was like negative negative negative negative maybe one maybe one slightly positive and then it was just like puff pieces across the board which again points to the reality which is the parties the mainstream media and big tech pick and choose who we as voters should know about what we should know about them and and whether or not they are deemed credible or not and if you're not part of that cabal then it's it's you know it's guns a blazing against you but but again i'm i'm just going to reiterate this because it is critical whether it's a secretary of state secretary of defense these these positions you know the director of national intelligence the head of the ci all of these positions need to be filled with people yes who are competent and also just as importantly maybe more importantly have courage have courage because you're not only taking on the wrath of of you know it will be the wrath of members of congress it will be the wrath of the media it will be the wrath of of the the walk permanent washington elite but it's also the wrath of all those middle managers who will be threatened by having someone in a position of leadership to actually turn every one of those agencies and institutions inside out yeah no i agree uh now is the point the show we get to something called the drink and bro the week all right someone who has inspired you or helps you become the person you are today who would you like to give the drink and bro the week too i worked for a time for senator kaka from hawaii he was a world war two veteran and did he play in korea as well or was it just world war two uh it was it was just world war two uh he was a school teacher um all the way up till the time that he ran for congress and uh he was a true statesman um what i learned from him was and we started the conversation with aloha so i'll close with aloha he was somebody who really embodied what aloha means which it's it's used as a greeting you know hello and goodbye but the reason why it's used for a greeting is because of the deep meaning um behind it which is um based on a recognition that we're all children of god and that we should treat each other with respect um because of that and by starting a conversation with aloha you get past all of these other barriers that too often get in the way of having a meaningful engagement um he he is somebody who inspired me because of that spiritual groundedness um and and early on in my politics uh not about one issue or another issue but just how to how to walk through life and do your best to live in that way that's awesome that's awesome well look uh can't wait for the book to come out it is uh Tulsi gabbard for love of country it is available now on amazon for pre-order all those pre-orders counts for the first week in the New York Times bestseller list but let's face it you're a republican now you're not getting on i'm an independent okay well hey all i've read is your full magga that's what i thought the book is gonna be called full magga Tulsi gabbard shotguns yeah full full magga is actually a first form product was it really i think it's like a uh a hard pill of some sort well get it protectors they should change it i know Andy likes trump so he should put a full full magga on there probably yeah i think a lot of people would buy it so if if you were to get elected as vp would you be a republican or an independent then i don't know okay i don't know the answer to that i mean there's probably a practical rules-based answers that i don't know what that is i don't know what that is i don't know that there is it's the the party decides right so the parties are they decide who they nominate who they don't as a matter of fact up until bob what when did that change from just the top two vote getters we're in office together is pvp i'll double check it was it was pretty quickly and yeah i think it was like the i think it was after uh john quency if i'm not mistaken so like six or seven president maybe and i think but it used to be like the top two vote getters would be right president vice president right 1804 oh so it was after atoms then yeah of jefferson okay and then i think in eighty six uh the bc boy said you have to fight for your right to part and then the meds yep won the world series against the red side they sure did yeah sure did and that changed a lot of things for everybody changed a lot for mookie wilson sure did uh we appreciate you being on the show today um and i'm with you by the way i think people should have the right to to change and hopefully you learn and and everything else and we'll see if if it comes to good use hopefully here in the future um there's a lot of people out there that are rooting for you and uh and it's it's super interesting i don't know who he's going to pick i would imagine the decision is is going to come soon and if you if you're down at marlago obviously i'm going to speculate and just say you're you're meeting with them okay yeah as soon as you leave here we're going to tell everybody you told us that you're the vp's yeah so sorry about it tomorrow show we'll tell you everything behind the scene kidding but by the book for the love of country you can pre-order it now it'll be shipped to your house and on your doorstep on april 30 that's right uh go to i tunes rate the show five star and leave a quick review also head on over to spotify it's just a five star and you can walk away for danthed anthony hallow a tall sea gabbard i'm ross patterson this is the drinking bros podcast good not everyone you
