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Ep. 927. To Fulfill One's Obligation (לצאת ידי חובה) with Another's Bracha, One Must Hear It from Beginning to End.
To Fulfill One's Obligation (לצאת ידי חובה) with Another's Bracha, One Must Hear It from Beginning to End.
Welcome everybody, Shinnam in 927, getting back to our Helchas brochas. Okay, I just want to talk about one thing today. The interesting we saw, which something I didn't understand, but I sort of understand a little bit better, but as we said, we said, we're going to see, we have to talk about, if you didn't, if you heard a whole brocha from somebody, fine, you must say, I mean, then we said, if you didn't even hear the Shemah Shem, we spoke about a while back, but you heard the ending, so you have to answer our main. And not just that, which we have to figure out, we have to talk about and figure out there's a Shemah, how that works, even if you didn't hear the broch at all, but you know which brocha it is, you could still say amen, there's no key of what we're going to see, but then you could still say amen, so you'll say what do you mean, so how do I know what brocha, which brocha it is, if I, how do I know which brocha it is, if I didn't hear it, so we'll see, you saw it, whatever the case was, but if you don't know what brocha it is, then you can't answer, we're going to see that, even if you heard it, let's say you heard the beginning, you didn't hear the end, so we're going to see you can't answer, you don't, first of all, you don't know where that word ends, right, number one, number two, you don't know what brocha you're saying amen to, so that's part of the Sugi of a mania seimah, it's again, it's an amen, that's just like sort of like by itself, up in the year, so, but another thing, but that's not what I want to talk about, but what I want to discuss is, we said, if I'm somebody, I'm saying a brocha, I'm coming, a brocha for the other guy, and the other guy is going to be going to see with my brocha, right, I make for whatever reason is a shahakol, I made something, and I'm having, in general, we try not to, by the way, the bilghas naan, and we try that, everybody should say it by themselves, but in case of time, it first gets stuck, or whatever, unless it's by brocha corona, which we'll talk about over there, because they bring down that lamisa, the people, the homoinam, it's nickshol brocha corona, many times it's a longer brocha, so over there, it's much easier to say, make a brocha corona and have others of mine, and they have you in mind, whatever, they listened to every word, and then they could be ita, but in general, we try not, but let's say somebody did say, I made a brocha, and I had somebody else of mine, and the other person was here to with my brocha, oh, so now the question is, and now the question is, we said over there, if that other person that's being you'd say with my brocha didn't hear every word, right, didn't hear every word, or didn't hear the beginning, whatever, so then they can't say a mane, they can't say a mane to that brocha, you know, let us say a mane to that brocha, so that person is being you'd say they can't say a mane, so the question is why, what's wrong with the brocha, I just want to backtrack a minute, let's say I made a shahakal, I'm talking about case time where I'm also eating or drinking, you can, I can't make birchas naan, and by birchas, mitzvah is different, but by birchas naan, I can't make a brocha shahakal, and have somebody else a mane, and I'm not eating, I can't do that, it's only if I'm eating, I have them also, okay, so that's a different story, so the question is why that other person, if they didn't hear every word, or at least the beginning, they can't say a mane, whereby other brochas, right, if I just heard the end of the brocha, I know which brocha is, whatever, I could still say a mane, why we say you're not allowed to say a mane, I'd lamise I heard the end of the broch, I know a brocha, like I madee, okay, I didn't hear every word, so I'm really, I'm not, yeah, it's about why, why am I not allowed to say a mane, that's an interesting question, I don't know what I was thinking about, but I found there's a bit of a brocha shahmah, so I could find a bit of a brocha, they're bliped by it, sorry, but be it as it may, but he says an interesting chat, so it's in Simmin Kufra, which is, we've been talking about a little cross-referencing, from our Simmin Shihi Raishtez Vov, to Simmin Kufraf Dala, because in fact, it talks about a lot of Kuzar sashats over there, and the Alokas, that's where you find Alokas of a mane, Saima, Mejatufa, those are all brought down in Simmin Kufraf Dala, which is Sif Qress, right after Zion, which talks about talking by Davening Rekwan al-Slambaq, so he says like this in, in the Bhir Ha-Lachah, the Bhir Masqah was there. I know Shihi Ma'es, it's Portia, I'm reading together with this, Misha Ghirah is Vohado, so it gives us a little bit of a better translation, the Misha Ghirah is Vohado over there. Pasha Tafilo shamamit Rila, Khos al-Shama-Bissai-Fah, Khos al-Shama-Bissai-Fah, if you hear the theme of Vohar, he says again, Pasha Tafilo Shama-Bissai-Fah, Khos al-Shama-Bissai-Fah, if you didn't hear the end, right, so that we know you can in Samain, that's everybody, that's because that's a problem, when do I say a mane, it's a mane-saimo, you only have Tushkadei Dibur, you only have the amount of time Tushkadei Dibur, right, those two to three seconds, okay, I don't know when the end is, how do I know when to say a mane, but he says for the Vihi, Vihin al-Fimash and Muhvah, the command, Bissim and Rishid Gimmusif, Gimmul, the Hejshu Royce, the latte, the Ezebrahr, Tshmoyah, Ezebrahr, the Al-Shama-Bissai-Fah, that again, if somebody wants to be Youti with the Brakhad, the other guy wants to be Youti and drink his soda, whatever, with my Brakhad, he has to listen from the beginning to the end. In case not, he's not going to be Youti, Tshmoym, the Al-Shama-Bissai-Fah, the Ezebrahr, the other mane, Muhvah, the Atzmoy, so he says, so it's why the person listening, right, one shot is one explanation, it's like this, the person listening, why does he have to hear every single word, because the other mane, Muhvah, the Atzmoy, he's no different than the guy's making the Brakhad, if he's being Youti with my Brakhad, so he's not any different than the other guy's making the Brakhad for him, right, Kishmoyah, the Aykra Brakhad, when he skips a word, if the other guy skips a word, it's no good, so therefore it's, I'm skipping a word, because I'm being Youti with my, with his Brakhad, so why, why is that different than any other Brakhad, good, I'm not Youti with the Brakhad, but I could still answer on me, no, no, you can't, don't say the, it says the, the Brakhad, the Muhvah, the Muhvah, the Muhvah, the Muhvah, you said the Brakhad, it's no different, it's not less than mistan Brakhad, the Yama Shaykhin, it relates to Lotz's Bar, that any different Brakhad, that I don't want to be Youti, if I don't hear the whole thing, as long as I hear the N, they know what Brakhad is, I can still say a mane, why is this different, the fact that I want to be Youti, I want to say a mane and it's Brakhad, good, I'm not Youti, I say amen. It's broken. He can't let this book cloud the turk lana. So I'm in Allah. He says why him can I feel the like show my call? cloud the vadi aina yaytaba Nami Hey, what a right? It's something what the Allah karqah or here's the end al karqah the cave on Jehu writes a lot This boy since you want to be you so with his brocha right who I saw but often you're doing it But even but even she ain't a yaytaba Us through haqamam lana. So since since you want to be you to with his brochats and now it's kilu It's sort of like you're saying his brocha right so his broch is no good Right if his broch is no good where in other words his broch is actually yeah good But since you're missing words and you didn't hear all the words so comes at your broch is no good So you're answering a mane to his brocha, which is really Since you're doing it on on on in a way in a fashion that you want to be your With that brocha so now comes that your broch has messed up So you can't say a mane on a broch of a tall you can't say a mane on a brocha Shain the tree for something like that a brocha that's that's that's messed up that the words are missing and you're missing a chef's name Or something that if I say make a brocha and I'm missing a chef's name is no good I have to say it again, but nobody can say a mane to that brocha right? You can't say a mane to a brocha to a broch of a taller. We learned that you can't say a mane to brocha So it comes out that you're listening to that guy's brocha. You're being yikes as though you are making that brocha So therefore you can't say a mane even though his brocha was good, but I knew wasn't good So therefore we don't say a mane, so that's an interesting way that their beer a lot is bringing it down They must pull us over if in shain the it's a boss through the oven lassi some in a lot in Can't look like I'm the dummy like this. It's the same thing like this. He blipes at a tarahean Well, okay, so he bribes out a tarahean, but it's an interesting sfer Okay, well I know for that. That's how the the ice water just takes in a few words It's such a he's a matrila in can but I got no here the same thing. She's a matrila brocha You're missing the beginning of a brocha now me and lanaise. You can't answer to say it. It's not a good brocha So it comes out the whole brocha is not good. Okay. Thank you for listening us welcome brocha and not not just It's no good for you. You because you didn't hear a whole thing You also can answer I mean on that brocha and even though if you would have heard it and you you don't want to be You to with that you would be able to say I made that's an interesting way of the same brocha you hear one time You're like to say a main one time now. Thank you for listening us welcome brocha culture