Shoot The Flick

A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) with Brucker Nourse

This week for Spooky month we cover one of the big horror classics when cover A Nightmare on Elm Street! We are joined by Brucker Nourse of Autopsy of a Horror Movie to cover this 80s classic! Will it be a Nightmare or a Dream? Tune in to find out as we SHOOT THE FLICK!!!

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Broadcast on:: 23 Oct 2024
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Now I have a story that I'd like to tell about the sky you all know me and we scared as hell. He comes to me a night after I call it a bed. He's burned up like a lady and his name is Fred. He wears the same hat. Hey there, welcome to Shoot the Flick. I'm Frankie Sparks. And I'm Scott Eisenberg. And we are a married couple who like to shoot the shoot about movies. That we do. That we do. And this week, like we said last week, we were stepping it up in the spoopy month game. But because we were stepping it up so much, we had to bring in some extra help. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We brought in a legend here at Shoot the Flick. A legend. Oh my goodness. We're going to make him all red in the face. But he is our horror extraordinaire. He has his own podcast, of course, autopsy of a horror movie. We brought back brocker, brocker. Hello. Thank you, Scott and Frankie for having me back on, especially for the spooky month. I always love coming back on the show. It's been a minute, but we're, you know, we really needed to have you back on for particularly for this movie. Yes. Yeah, especially since we're covering one of the OG horror titans. Never seen this one, so. Oh, so we're getting like fresh takes from Frankie. Yes. Yes. Scottie showed me this one. And now I've watched the first three in the franchise. So I feel like a pro now. Oh, wow. You know, you definitely are because I know y'all just hyped me up so much, but I've actually only seen the original in the remake. I haven't seen any of the sequels because I'm terrible when it comes to sequels. And it was also kind of like, I love the first one so much. I don't know if I need to like continue on with the franchise, but I have unfortunately seen the remake. But anyways, I love this original one. Oh, so I'm the veteran here. I've seen every single one of these. I don't know if that's like something you should be bragging about. Scott, what movie are we actually watching today? Sorry, I forgot. We didn't actually tell the people we are watching Nightmare on Elm Street from 1984. As we said, Freddy Krueger is a legend of the horror genre. Indeed. As is Wes Craven who wrote and directed the film. And let's not forget the other horror legend that is in this Johnny Depp, of course, those future pirate sequels are very scary. So. Indeed. So as we were saying, so I'm the veteran. I've seen every one of these movies. I think the first three are really good. Well, this is the highest rated one, the original. So would you agree with that, Scott? Personally, I love new nightmare. New nightmare is my one. Okay. Whoa, interesting. Yeah, I know. Hot take, hot take. Sorry. I'm a sucker for the meta-ness of it. I do hear that a lot of people really like the third one. Like they have that one up really high on their list too. I also do really. I just watched it this morning. Because all of them are on HBO Max right now. If you want to just like binge them all with all the nightmare movies. I don't think I'm ending it through though because I know the other ones except apparently new nightmare. I know new nightmare is good, but like do I really want to, I don't know, maybe someday. But I don't want to watch all the shitty sequels. Like the first three are good. And then I'm just going to end there before I get disappointed and irritated. There's nothing wrong with a good trilogy. Scott, does this mean we have to review Freddy first Jason? Because we've done nightmare. And then last year we did Friday the third, that's Friday the 13th. I know things. I like hard too. Oh my goodness. You were just a cliche from like opening a screen her getting the killer on Friday 13th. No. You would die in the opening act as I'm Drew Barrymore in this scenario. You might be Steve. I'm just kidding. But yeah. Well, Nightburne Elm Street, the original is turning 40 years old this year, which is one of the reasons why I thought it would be fun to do it. Freddy is so inundated in pop culture that it's one of those movies and I'm like, do I really have to watch it? Like I get it. He's a scary guy with burns and he kills people with finger knives. Like do I really have to sit down and watch it? Well, there's a difference between ready Jason and Michael. Michael, that's the other one. Yeah. Freddy has the most in common with cocky because it's the actor that brings these people to life. It's consistency in that it's not like different like it's not like a castell versus dick warlock. No, yeah, exactly. You don't have those art like Jason has what four separate actors who play Jason. And then Michael's got a couple too now, but everyone pretty much is like Robert England. We're good. Right. You know, yeah, because the remake was in like the 2010s and it was Jackie Earl Haley, right? Yes. And that was that was rough. Apparently. I don't know. The script is really bad. Okay. I think Jackie Earl Haley was in like a raw deal. I mean, I think that he got the voice right. I thought he was scary and intimidating, but he was stuck in a really bad script. So like I don't blame it on his performance. Like I actually think if he was in a better script, he probably would have been like a pretty cool Freddy for like the next generation. But he was in a bad movie. Yeah. And I think Brucker has nailed it on the head. Also, they did a lot of shots that were just straight rip off from the original nightmare in worse. It wasn't like, Oh, we're going to put our own spin on it. They just ripped it off, but did it worse. If somebody copying off someone else's homework, but but spelling everything wrong. Yeah, exactly. It's like, Oh, shoot. I thought that was my history homework. I just copied your math. Whoops. Like, you know, that's the kind of what it felt like. So if you talk about horror in general, we have Jason and Michael running around and they're the big slashers, you know, routing along, cutting people up and people were kind of getting a little sick of that. Well, you said, what did you say when we were watching the movie? You said Freddy likes to play with his food. Freddy does like to play with his food a lot. I think that's a really good way to put it though. Yeah, this movie also entered the National Film Registry in 2021 for being just so very cool. I thought it was funny. They were shopping the script around. And Disney had to express interest at first, but they wanted Craven to like dumb it down and make it like PG 13, like a family picture. And Craven was like, nah. And then Paramount and Universal were like, nah. So then they ended up going to New Line and then it made New Line like an actual production company that people know. So Brucker, when did you first watch the original Nightmare on Elm Street? Oh my goodness. Y'all gonna make so much fun with me. So I think it's important to call out that like my horror podcast as much as it is me kind of analyzing and exploring the horror genre. It is me kind of like being re-entered, reintroduced to horror as an adult because I really didn't get into horror. It feels like I was an adult in grad school and I didn't watch Nightmare on Elm Street until the pandemic really. In 2020, it was the first time I saw it. And again, like Frankie, I was very familiar with Freddy Krueger because he was such a pop culture icon. He's been parodied and everything from like family guide to Simpsons. Like he was everywhere. And I felt like I had an idea of that character. I actually saw the remake first in high school and then I went and watched the original during the pandemic. And I was blown away the first time I watched this movie. I thought it was rad. I thought all the characters were great. And the practical effects are so so good. I was really blown away by the practical effects, honestly. Except for the stretch Armstrong part, but that's, you know, not here. We're gonna talk about that. It was like the craziest fucking scene in the right in the beginning. I kind of like it though. It's so goofy. It was so okay because it's, let's just fuck it. It starts out so intimidating because he's got like the silhouette as first entrance is Freddy. And you know, he has like the perfect line with the fingernives because first of all, the phrase fingernives sounds so stupid. But then when you see it, he actually makes it scary as fuck. And he's like, this is God. And he's like, and then he immediately breaks into like a fucking cartoon run down his alley. And then he's got the like the like use of the stretch Armstrong. It's so it's like funny, but also scary, which I guess kind of got the ball rolling with Freddy in general. Because I know like this movie isn't ha ha funny, really at all. But then I know like as time goes on, Freddy gets funnier quote unquote funnier. We get more quips as the movies go on. Right. It's so good. I love the original nightmare because I think it's the perfect amount of scary, but a little goofy. Yeah, exactly. And like it kind of like makes it like a perfect like teen movie too. Like it's it's very much like a popcorn movie. Like you'll go watch it with your friends, have some laughs, have some scares. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's like quick and fun and crazy. Yes. Are you ready to get into the nitty gritty? I am ready talking about this plot. And I'm excited to talk about the characters because some of them I fucking hate. And then some of them I'm like very protective. It's very straight. Usually in horror movies, especially horror movies like in this era, I just want to kill everybody. I'm like, Oh God, please die die faster. And that really I only felt like that about one person mainly. Well, Wes Craven is really good at writing like good characters. Yeah. Like you care about pretty much everybody in the movie. Pretty much. Except one person, which, well, no, more than one person. But one of the kids I want, I just, oh, I can wait. That's like, please. The second he opened his mouth, that's like, just fucking die already. So yeah, we already we're all ready to get to nitty gritty. I'm ready Freddie. Oh, that was very clever of you. Yes, I'm ready to. So we start with the making of the finger knife gloves, which I have to admit, I think it's one of the most iconic weapons in all of horror movies. Yeah, because everybody knows what that is. Even if you haven't seen the movie, you know, the finger gloves are the finger knives. Excuse me. But like no other character I feel like has that iconic weapon like Jason uses a machete, Michael uses a big knife. The finger knives are special. It's special in like, you know, not only the what it is, but it's also special. And I like, you know, Jason and Michael, they found weapons and then just use them like Freddie wants to kill kids so badly. He made his own weapon. It's like, I want to do it in my way. Exactly. He's like in the movie opens up with him doing like this heavy breathing, but there's evil laughing as he's like pouring his craftsmanship into this murder weapon. And it's like this dude loves killing a lot. And it's pretty creepy opening it that way. You know, how many movies open up with the your serial killer shopping for their weapons or making their weapons? We started, of course, in the boiler room, because, you know, what's scarier than the boiler room. And it's kind of like hell, right? As a guy who used to work in a boiler room, I can attest to boiler rooms are scary. Confirmed. You used to work with Freddie Kruger. Actually, I've never seen you and Freddie in the same room. So, and we get our our fake main character, Tina. Oh, we're Tina. She's in a nightgown in a boiler room. So you're like, Oh, that's weird. That's like, if you don't know that like Freddie does all his killing in dreams, you're like, this is a weird way. What is she doing there? And why is there a sheep in the spoiler? Right? Yeah, no, it's it's very peculiar. But we'll get it to like other examples. But this is just kind of starting the tone of how well I feel like was craving kind of new how to craft dream sequences and how to make it feel like that odd dream environment. Yeah, we don't quite know where you are or how you got there, but you're there now. Right. Tina's being chased around by Freddie Kruger. We don't see Freddie yet, but he goes to grab her. She wakes up. She has her dress torn. And we go to the next day where we get a there are rendition of the jump rope girls. The jump rope. You may sound like you don't like 60s swing group or something. These are haunted girls and they're creepy. They creep me out. Frankie got annoyed me because I started singing the song along with them because I know the song. Nice. It's already creepy coming out of like a bunch of little girls and then a grown man next to your secret is kind of 30 years. I don't like it. Yeah, I mean, it's creepy though. It's setting the tone. Yeah. There's also like so many daytime horror with that too, which is great. And then we of course meet all of Tina's friends. Well, most of them are fine. There's just one. So we meet, of course, as we said, Johnny Depp, who's Glenn? Yay. We meet Nancy Thompson. Yay. Heather Langenkamp. And then we meet Tina's boyfriend, Rod. Ew. Play my Nicole. Yeah. Who's kidding? No. No. It's horrible. The first fucking thing he said, I don't even remember what it was. There's something about having a heart on it. And I'm like, this guy's got to go. It is a leather jacket and his smart ass attitude. He's got to go. He's your typical cocky high school jock. You know, but but Tina holds her own. She has that awesome retort with a there's four letters in my name. That's not enough for your joint. It's it's great. Oh God, just the worst. But you know what? They're likable for the most part. Oh, who's likable? The friend group. Okay. Minus Rod. Fuck Rod. Anyway. Well, so Tina's talking about her dreams and a little bit. And they're like, we'll stay with you tonight, Tina. It's fine. So we cut to then that night where it's Tina, Glenn, and Nancy. Nancy. I was going to say Laurie Schroed. I'm like, that's the wrong character. That's the wrong answer. Oh, yeah. And you know, it turns out Nancy and Tina are having the same dream about the same guy. It was so funny too, because Nancy's talking to Tina and she's like, Oh, I was dreaming about this guy too. And he cuts to Johnny Depp and his head goes up like, huh? What'd you say? You are dreaming about me? My sweater. And then we cut imagine we cut to like a couple of days from now, Glenn was putting on like fedoras trying to be like, Oh, my God. Yeah. That's another thing. You know, how many colors, you know, they have fedoras. That's interesting. But yeah, it's not just fedoras. Like, let's let's discuss the fit. It's a dirty brown fedora that has his name on it. It was in case it ever gets lost. Exactly. And then a red and green striped sweater. The dude is festive. He's ready for the holidays, I guess. He's putting on his top, walking through the snow. He's going to put on his finger nice gloves so they don't get cold. But I do like the scene that you're just describing. I do appreciate them at Tina's house. Kind of like just like talking about how they're dreaming about the same guy, but not showing those dreams. Like, I'm happy this movie to open up with like having to cover everyone's dreams visually and just we got to like catch up that they all are having the same dude appear in their dreams, which I think is kind of creepier to like just kind of be told that instead of shown that. Like, how many times could you say that you and your friends have dreamt about the same person, like in the same time span? Probably never. Unless you both ate weird food the night before and then you had some weird dreams. Okay, that sounded like a personal thing for you, maybe. That's what I'm at. It's a really crazy gun pouch again. And it just altered my brain chemistry. Yeah. And then did Dick Cheney just kept appearing at me, my friend's dreams and weird. It's called me out, brocker. Fine. Fine. I was dreaming about Dick Cheney. All right. He was wearing a fedora. He was really creepy. Oh, God. He shot himself in the face and said, this is God. And then I'm like, no, that's I can't. Yeah, I can never. I'm glad we all thought of the joke. So, Rod shows up to spoil the night, basically, because he's Rod. And that's just what Rod does. If your name is Rod, that's just the thing you do. And you're into me. I don't want to just everyone named Rod, but like, get a better name. Rod takes Tina upstairs to give her the business. I mean, but you know, we get one of our classic tropes here, where victims are having sex and someone special isn't. I got so excited because I'm like, I picked up on it. I was like, oh, right. Heather Langenkamp's gonna live because she's a virgin. Everyone else is going to die because they want to have sex or they do have sex because even Johnny Depp is on the couch when when Nancy turns him down and he's just listening to them banging upstairs and he's like, Oh, morality sucks. And it's like, yeah, Johnny Depp, you and your sweater vest just and stew. Yeah, just sleep on the couch in your jeans. Man, jeez Louise. Yeah, but hey, you know, it's the 80s and these were the tropes, you know, virginity and you got to live in these horror movies. But Rod is also, I just want to clarify the worst because he comes in and he like tackles Johnny Depp and then he grabs Tina like just very, very forcefully, but he thinks it's just oh, so cute. And so does Tina. It's very toxic situation. Yeah, she specifically says, don't leave me alone with this lunatic. And then it's like giggling. I'm like, what are we, what are we teaching? What are we showing people about relationships as teenagers? I guess it's nothing because she gets killed and so does he spoiler alert, but then why kill like, why kill the sweater vest? Leave the sweater vest low. Because he can't stay awake when they need him to stay awake. That's true. He fucking, he had one job. Well, I'm skipping ahead to things. Well, okay. Yes, we'll get there. No, we'll get all that. So we cut to one of the most iconic shots of this movie, where Nancy is asleep and Freddy starts rubbering his way through the wall almost. He's rubbering as a verb. I mean, it's really cool though. It looks fantastic. It's really good. This is one of the shots that the remake butchered. Yeah, because I think they CGI it in the remake, right? Yeah, they didn't see GI that aged like donkey dick in here. It looks great because it's still real. You know, it's practical. It looks so, so, so good. But on the other side of the house, Tina is getting drawn outside. Hmm. As we're watching this, Frankie's literally going, "Why are you going out by yourself? Why are you going outside?" Literally, why? You're concerned because some like creepy guys, you're dreaming about some creepy guy and your friends doing about the same creepy guy and you go out and you hear a noise in the back and you don't even like put your shoes on. You don't even put your shoes on. Let alone bring something in case someone tries to like attack you. Like, even if I wasn't having crazy dreams and I just like heard a noise in the backyard in the middle of the night, I'm bringing like a baseball bat or something, just in case. Or at least drawing harder than a little nudge to wake up abroad. And you go traipsing out in the alleyway by your lonesome? But yeah, no, I mean, it is a good point. You know, you have these tropes of characters doing things that they shouldn't be doing, so since in situations that they shouldn't be doing. I was wondering specifically with Tina going out of her house and everything if it is kind of like speaking to the same thing that John Carpenter was with Halloween of like, you have like that false sense of security in being into suburban area and she's kind of thinking, you know, there's nothing dangerous out here. You know, I'm in the suburbs, but you know, it's the horror coming coming there to your own backyard. Well, I think there's the air of that. And there's also the air of we still kind of think Tina, maybe our main character. Right. I do like that they do that because for the first whatever 10, 15 minutes, we do kind of see her as the main person because we started with her and we were she's the only person we've seen their dreams. So it makes sense. But I do like how they kind of flip that and kill her off. And because they've been on a few times in movies, obviously they did it in Scream with Schubert anymore. So I do like that. Yeah, it's fun. And you know, it's also it's very like Janet Lee and in Psycho. Like it's pretty cool when they're able to do that. So this is where we do get Stretch Armstrong here. My god. You know, I like Stretch Armstrong, man. He give me a big ol hug. Oh my god. I think it looks creepy. It's just that in conjunction with like the fun run he does. I just I couldn't I was like, what are you doing? Look like somebody's drunk uncle at the barbecue trying to like get the ball or something. What are you trying to do? But yeah, he cuts off his fingers, chase his team around and then we cut to Rod waking up and Tina is bringing herself around on the bed. Frankie's like, Rod, try a little harder to wake his throat. Literally, like you see her thrashing around. This is before she even got cut. She's thrashing around and screaming and you're just like standing there. And then I'm like, I caught it immediately. I'm like, Oh, okay. So she's going to die in a fucking bloody mess. Jesus. And then everyone's going to think he did it rightfully so because he's the worst. So obviously we're going to think that he killed her. And then he just runs away also, which like to be fair if your girlfriend explodes essentially in a big bloody mess. Like what do you I don't know what you would do in that I would be freaking freaked out. But it doesn't help your reputation as the worst. I do have to say that this this kill is I think just I mean, there's like a few in here that stand out, but this is the one I find to be the scariest. Like I think that this this is such a scary scene in the movie. And it's done so well with the rotating room and the furniture being nailed down and stuff like, oh, it's so good. Yeah. So after Glenn and Nancy break into the room, they go down to the police station. Oh, we're going to talk about the mom now. I'm so excited. Okay, good to go. We quickly meet Nancy's mom. Oh, the worst. Also the worst. And we meet Nancy's dad who's played by John Saxon. Yes, the late great, the late great John Saxon, who is an underrated actor. What else has he been in? He's been in old. He's more like a cat can I recognize his face, but I don't know from where he's been in black Christmas. He's also like a cop in that movie. Okay, that's another great movie too. But they're talking to Nancy because apparently Nancy wasn't supposed to be at Tina's house. And then the dad rightfully so. I was like, what were you doing at this house with a bunch of boys in the house? Like, what the fuck? He says, what you doing is shacking up with three other people. Yeah, shacking up. Like, okay, dad, they say something about Tina being murdered. And they're talking about, and then the mom goes to Nancy, who has just seen her best friend fucking mutilated blood everywhere. She goes, maybe you don't think murder is serious. And it's like, excuse me? What? She's hysterical crying and screaming and freaking out. And that's what you say. Yeah, like the parents, they're so distant from everything and it kind of plays into a little bit about their history with Freddie to and everything. And then definitely this theme of sins of our parents being passed down to the next generation and so on and so forth. Now, in defense of March, no, I'm sorry. I could did you. I'm not saying she's a good person. Clearly, she's a drunk. Oh, yes. She reminds me of Helga Bataki's mom. Yes. Oh, my God. Like, making her smoothies quote unquote. She's got the same affect. Because spoiler for a movie that's 40 years old, she murdered Freddie originally. She was part of the group of parents that murdered Freddie. And that's why Freddie's getting revenge on her children and the children on all these people's children. So this murder clearly has affected her, maybe not outwardly, but subconsciously for her entire life that she feels it's okay to drink it fucking 8 a.m. in the morning. She still keeps Freddie's stuff in her boiler. Another ridiculously stupid move. You can't be keeping evidence to to the murder in your house. Such a bad idea. But our chief is a smart guy. He knows, you know what, I'm going to stick a cop to follow my door there because that Rod's eventually going to come to her. And Rod does it. Rod comes to Nancy. That was very sketchy, but also Rod himself is just very sketchy. He like grabs Nancy and pulls her into a bush, which under normal circumstances, that's fucked up. But then also like you just left your girlfriend's room a bloody mess. And obviously everybody thinks that you killed her and that's what you're going to. Okay. And then he's like, I didn't kill her. Okay. Like, why are you going out my back? And it's like, you just grab me a little bit to go bush. Like, why are you mad at me? I didn't fucking do anything to you. It's his attitude is ridiculous for someone that is so desperate to be proven innocent. It's like, okay, I'm not going to help you if you are yelling at me, sir. I also find it funny that the last time we saw him before he escaped, he was just in his tidy whiteies. And I guess he had the four the four sites to go ahead and take his clothes with him. But I think a bit funnier if he's this whole time he's been running around just as underwear and blood. He somehow remember to take his leather jacket as he jumped out the window. I was like, oh, I can't leave without my jacket, my greaser's jacket. What will the T bird say? So they arrest Rod. Rod goes to jail. Good. And Nancy goes to school. Why? I'm going to school. In her defense, she's like, I just need to be busy because otherwise, I'm going to sit around and just be like sad and freaking out all day. Which is fair. I kind of get that. Yeah. But like, the mom puts up 2% of a fight. Like, she's just like, you should stay home, honey. Glug, glug, right? And then the dad sees her. The dad sees her after he arrests Rod and she walks away. He's like, why are you going to school anyway? And she's like, just let me alone, dad fuck you and then walks away. And he just like, Nancy, Nancy. And that's it. Don't go after her. There's like seven other cops that are arresting this guy. Like, they got it. Go after your daughter. She's traumatized. She's not okay. Frankie, we have to learn about Hamlet. So Nancy goes to school in English class. They're talking about Hamlet. And she's been for a lot the past, you know, night, literally like 24 hours. I was also confused when they were in school. Like, I mean, this is like a little like, Poe down suburban town. Like Brucker was saying. So it's like, they would just have regular class the next day. And they wouldn't even have like an assembly, perhaps being like, listen, we know everybody. We know we just had a tragedy. We lost one of our students. If you if anybody needs counseling, you can come to the not none of that. No, back to school kids. Learn your algebra. Like, they're not even going to acknowledge that one of their students was murdered by another one of their students. Yesterday. Yesterday. It's okay that you're a nineties kid and you have feelings, you know, they still care. Get out of here. I'm not a snowflake. Okay. I can handle it. I'm just saying. Not Scott pulling up the snowflake card. I can't. You did dream about Dick Cheney, didn't you? I'm sorry. You guys get the feelings. You're also a nineties kid, you know, I know. So Nancy falls asleep in class because she's been through a lot. So yeah, she hasn't slept. She's been traumatized and she turns Athena's body in a body bag staring at her. So creepy. This is this is I think the scariest part of the movie. Oh my god. It's kind of smart though how they're doing this because they showed right before she left for school. They showed Tina in the body bag being rolled out like on the news and she saw that footage right before leaving. So it's kind of like that thing of like dreaming about like one of the last things you just saw and like the set designers and everyone like part of this such a good job of like emulating what a dream feels like. It's like, oh yeah, I'm dreaming. I'm in my school hallway but for some reason there's leaves blowing everywhere but I'm inside. Yeah, yeah. But you don't like question it. You know, I feel like stuff little things like that they did such a good job with. So yeah, Nancy follows the blood path down to the boiler room and she determines, hey, if I hit my arm on the top pipe, I wake up. Yeah. And then obviously it's it's confirmed to her and the rest of the audience when she leaves school, shockingly, she couldn't make it through the day in school without having a breakdown the day after her friend was murdered. She looks at her arm and there's a burn mic there and she's like, huh, I see. Jinkies a clue. So Nancy goes to see Rod. Why Nancy? He killed your friend literally the whole time. You're watching the movie. Me knowing full well that Freddie killed Tina. I was like, no. Leave him in there. You're twisted, Frankie. You want this innocent dude to take the fall? I don't believe him. So Nancy to calm down has to take a bath. Oh my god. This is a great shot. It's an amazing shot. Nancy falling asleep in the bath and the finger knives popping out of the water. It's such an iconic scene. It's so suggestive too. And like this whole like bathroom sequences. Again, just crazy. It's a master class of horror. It really is. Mm hmm. And it's it's also scary because you know, what's a more vulnerable place and situation to be in to be attacked like this, you know, in the bathroom when you're naked, just taking a bath and dozing off too. You wouldn't expect to get surprised to act like that. As she gets dragged under the water, her mom is like trying to get the door open. And then she's like, why were you screaming? And Nancy's just like, no, I just I just tripped getting out of the tub. No follow questions, mom. Nope. No. Okay. I'm gonna make the bed for you, sweetie. Okay, mom. Marge. What is it with you, Marge? She's drunk. I know. Why? So Glenn visits Nancy. He climbs up the trellis to see Nancy, just like Skeetoldridge and scream. West Craven has a thing. He likes to use it in its windows. Yeah. This is where Nancy tells Glenn to, hey, stay awake while I fall asleep and try and figure out what the hell is going on. Glenn got so excited. She turned off the light Nancy and he was like, oh, she's like, no, Glenn. This is business. We're doing right now. Yeah. I feel for Glenn a little bit here, you know, I could sympathize with with Johnny Depp here. He's like, I'm just a teenage boy and I came over my girlfriend's bedroom. I just want to get laid and now I got to watch you sleep. Like, okay. And then he falls asleep because also she didn't like really tell it. I mean, I could understand why she didn't tell him her theory because it sounds fucking bad shit, but he falls asleep. And then of course, Nancy has the nightmare and like has to get her damn self out of it. And then she wakes up and she's like, Glenn, you bastard. You should. It's so good. You had one job, one job. But yeah, she does get chased by Freddie. Yeah. And this is also like when she's like going to see Rod and she sees, is it Tina she sees again, but like worms come out of her and stuff. Oh, yeah. It's gross. Yeah, pretty, pretty vile. I do like the thing too, where like she's walking out of the house at first and she calls back to Glenn and he's just like behind the trees. But like it's actually like she's dreaming, but she's visualizing him just hiding behind a tree. I thought that was cool. But yeah, then she sees that Freddie is out and about and going after Rod because obviously she woke up. So she's like, Oh, he's going to go after Rod. So they run to the police station and she's just like, just go check on Rod. And they're like, Nah, he's sleeping. Go check on Rod and just just go do it. And Freddie has made it look as though he has hung himself. But in reality, Freddie has killed him. Yes. And we cut to Rod's funeral. You don't shut up to this franchise. We're actually burying the dead. You don't always get that indie slasher franchises. This funeral happened real quick. It's like the next day like we're burying Rod the next day. They probably buried him and Tina together because they're like, Oh, fuck it. Save on the casket. This whole bo-go. I mean, they were banging anyway. It's not that big of a leap. Rod would love it. I'm doing Rod a favor. Get him in a rod. Oh, God. Oh, Frankie, that's twisted. So Nancy decides this is the perfect time to be like mom dead. We're being hunted by a fucking killer here. I'm going to describe him to you. She does. And March decides, you know what? I'm going to take you to some sleep doctors. Yeah, because that's what the issue is that you're not sleeping. It's not the fact that you're perfectly describing the man that we murdered like what 20 years ago? Yeah. That's not that's not concerning at all. But what I okay so what I didn't like about this scene was that in because this is like the penultimate dream scene where like she her hair goes white. And I knew about that like she has the little white trope from X men streak of white hair. I kind of wish we had seen whatever made that happen. I mean, I don't like that we don't. I get why and like it makes sense but like I kind of want to see it. They are Frankie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I also don't like the fact that Nancy because she's a fucking smart ass brilliant final girl. She realizes now what happens in the dream happens outside. So she pulls out Freddie's hat and she's like here. Here's Percy. And the mom is still like, oh, I don't know where she got that from. I'm like, excuse me. You saw her before she went to sleep, had no hat. Then she woke up with hat and you're like, nah, nah, man. This is bullshit. Well, what you what you didn't see, Frankie, is the nurse came in in a full fedora and overcoat. Yeah. And so she must have just grabbed the nurses fedora while we're going to a screening of good fellas. Like seven years before it came out. That's her O.R. fedora. You know, people died. She doesn't wear it. Like, um, like what what more do you need, Marge? Do you need another fifth of vodka? Yes. Too bad because Nancy just shattered her whole bottle in the kitchen floor. That's okay. She still has her lending closet one because also her response to all of this is not to like have a conversation with her daughter, have a conversation with her husband or ex husband, whatever about like, why does our daughter know who Fred Krueger is and why does she have his hat? None of that conversation ever happens. But what happens is she decides the best thing to do fucking Marge, let's put bars on the windows and on the doors. So if there's a fire in the house, God forbid, we can't get out. We're stuck in here and we're going to die together into doubly make sure that we're going to die. I also have it to where I can lock the the the door from from from the inside. Yeah. I can't. Like, what are you doing? Like, what do you think that's going to do? I'm impressed. She found somebody because Nancy goes out of the house to spend the afternoon with Glenn and she finds a guy to come who has these bars already to drill them into both stories of her house. Oh, yeah, in like an hour or two, a couple hours. It's very strange. Also, do we talk about Glenn for a second? Yeah, sure. I feel like Glenn's contributions to this movie are very minimal for someone who like, this is my girlfriend and she's clearly losing her mind or she's like, clearly going through something. And like, in that scene where they're hanging out together, they're just like sharing like a burger and fries like, you know, they're just, you know, what was he talking about? He was talking about some stupid bullshit about dreams or something. And I was like, can we come to reality? Well, realize what's happening. Well, he does get like, arguably one of the coolest deaths in the movie getting fucking dragged down into the bed and fucking blood spurting out onto the fucking ceiling. Yeah, yeah, it's really good. And I kind of have just from listening to YouTube talk, actually, I have like two theories about his death. Because, you know, we were talking about earlier about like the sex equals death, but Glenn didn't have sex. He is, it's not sex, but it's promiscuous enough maybe for the slash or maybe where he is like watching like the, what was it like, Miss Nude America or something on the TV? So yeah, he was like just doing that. And then so, you know, there's maybe something there with, with that. But also, maybe he like wasn't having the dreams about Freddie. And like, he was like, innocent in quotations. But maybe a Freddie only target him just to like mess with Nancy some more. That's possible. Because yeah, I feel like if he had been dreaming about Freddie, then he would be more freaked out when Nancy is dreaming about Freddie. And it feels like he's not as freaked out as he should be. So yeah, that's why his death kind of it doesn't come out of nowhere, I guess, because Freddie's killing everybody. But it just feels like, it feels like Glenn deserves some more to his character a little bit, maybe. But John Saxon goes after Glenn has been murdered. And he's like, where's the coroner? And the guy goes, he's been puking ever since he showed up. It's crazy. It's rough. And you know, they show the blood pooling and dripping through the ceiling too. Oh, man. Oh, my God, it's so insane. It's like, how do you even explain that? Like, it's like, what do you write on the report? He like, combusted? Like, what do you say? Are you burying the buckets? Is there a body? Oh, my God, not the buckets. The buckets. We're burying the shamwiles we use to clean up this mess. I have Billy Mase here with Glenn. RIP to him as well. Oh, my God. Don't you just hate it when you're a teenager liquefies in their bedroom? I got the solution for you. Oxy power is built into the the shamwile. If you need to cover up blood, are you worried about blood to flex your teenage son's coffin? Use some flex. Oh, this is great. Why couldn't Rod combust? Why couldn't he combust? Why do you got to do that to Glenn? He was nice. Oh, God. You were a sweater vest. He had morals. He thought they sucked, but at least he had them. Why didn't he do the tongue thing? The weird phone tongue thing. Well, before Glenn says. Yes. Oh, yeah. So Nancy is trying to call Glenn. He's trying to call him. Yeah. And Glenn's parents aren't dealing with it because they're like, she's a bad influence. Oh, my God. The dad is like, she's crazy. I don't want my son hanging out with her anymore. It's like, but yeah, he he rips the phone out of the wall and it still rings. And it's Freddy's tongue. I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy. Uh, so we're at the end of this. Okay. Yeah, you're talking about John Saxon. John Saxon, who is like, he tells the other cop, he goes, Hey, okay, I'm dealing with this crime scene. Go watch my, you know, daughter's house across the street. If anything weird happens, come get me. Well, that was after he talked her on the phone. And she's like, Dad, it's Freddy Kruger. Freddy Kruger killed Glenn. And even now, after all of this bullshit, he still rolls his fucking eyes on her. And it's like, okay, what needs to happen here for you to understand that something spooky is missed. Like what, what needs to happen? Well, again, he's a cop and cops tend to be like, it's logic. He has to be able to explain it to himself. And you can't explain man enters dreams. Drags boy into bed. Boy blows up in puddle of blood. I was going to say, can you explain boy explodes in geyser, not puddle. Geyser of blood. Can you explain that? No. It's anyway, poor Nancy. She gets a short out of the stick. Yeah, she's just behind bars in her own house and can't do anything. But set up the Home Alone traps for a dream guy that's trying to kill her. Hey, that was a fun time. I love this. I don't know. It was so funny. I'm like, are we doing Home Alone traps right now? Did Home Alone copy fucking nightmare? Oh, absolutely. Well, it's hilarious. I wish my family would disappear. Yeah, it's just what she's doing here. Well, we please they're awful. Well, you don't know is that Kevin McCallister is actually like Nancy's third cousin. Oh God. The McCallisters, they got enough kids. Freddie probably got some of them. They have more than enough. They're probably pleased. We get way too many. We forgot a whole ass kid. Oh my God. So we're at the end. We're getting to the end now. We're at the end. Nancy goes into her dream and drags Freddie out of the dream. You know, and then he starts chasing her around the house goes on fire. And still there's the cop that's outside watching Nancy's house. It's like, hmm, there's a girl that broke the window and is screaming for her father. And now they're smoked. I wonder if I should go get the she is probably not done. Where did you take your police exam exactly? What house in dreamland? Did you take it in dreamland with Freddie? Like where? Where do you get off doing this? I don't understand. Maybe I should go get the chief. The house is on fire. Maybe I should go. He's like, I can't hear you over the bars. What? I can't. Like my worries. Everything's gonna be fine. And she's just like, go get my down. You asshole. I can't hear you over the roaring flames. What? Yeah. I burn my house down every week and this is completely normal. Jesus Christ. He's just like, man, March because I say, I know chief complaints so much about his ex wife. But man, she could put up those bars real fast, man. That's a good craftsmanship there. He's such a wiring. Oh, God. She thought she was so slick putting up those bars to Nancy came in and was like, what the fuck's that about? And she comes out with March with her cigarette lights it. She thought she was so cool. So after there's this whole chase goes along. Finally, as Freddie's on fire, he jumps on top of March. John Saxon jumps on top of Freddie who's on fire. John Saxon has now come and broken into the house and jumps on Freddie to try and put him out to save Marge. Marge and Freddie sink into hell? Not fully explained. And Nancy tends to her father and goes dead. Believe me. No, but like, do you believe me now? He never said yes, I'm so sorry, sweetie. I shouldn't have believed you. Mom just sunk into the bed in like pyrotechnics. Like what? What? What was that? You want to explain that or you still think I'm crazy? He looks at Nancy. He goes, Nancy. The world is better off. That's terrible. That's terrible for me. I know enough about Nightmare to know like the basic story. I didn't realize the mom died in it. And I was like, Oh, fuck. It is off pattern for the movie, you know, for an adult but a kid to die. That's the thing. It's weird. Again, like all the so many of the other deaths, namely Tina and Glenn are like so bloody and so gory. And this bitch actually killed you. And you're just going to like lower her ever so creepily into hell. Well, question mark, like play on top of her on fire. Well, yeah, but you know, John, that's a rough way to go. John Saxon put her out. She's fine. Hey, hey, that's stuntman who was not Robert England. Well, obviously Jesus. It is so funny because when you can clearly tell it's a stuntman because Robert England is a very slight man. And this guy is clearly a bulky dude. Hey, man, I put on 10 pounds every time I light on fire. So like, you know, I get it. Oh God. So Nancy tells John Saxon that she needs a minute. He's like, okay, he walks out. And she's like, Freddie, I know you're still here. I give you no power. And ready jumps at her and like tries to kill her can't. And she's like, everything will go back to normal. And suddenly she opens the door. And everything seems fine. Mom's there. She's not drunk. Glenn, Tina, and Rod are in the in Glenn's car. Everything's okay. Everything's fine. I think Wes Craven wanted it to kind of end there and like everything's a happy ending. But the producers were like, no, we got to leave room for a sequel. So we got to make it ambiguous. And that's certainly a word for the ending. Ambiguous. Yeah, it's we get the haunted girls doing Trump rope as well. Indeed, Nancy's like, oh, that's that's weird still. She gets into the car with her friends. The top of the car comes up and it's Freddie colors. Oh, no. And she can't get out of the car and then Freddie's nightclubs come through the front door window and pull a balloon animal through the window. That was so funny. I was dying. I was like, what? It's so bad. I'm sorry. Frederick Love came in and pulled Nancy's mom through the window with the door and then the kids drive off screaming in the car and then spooky spooky. And that is nightmare on Elm Street. I'm tired. I have a quick question for y'all that have seen the sequels. Does this ending like do the sequels like explain this ending at all? Like, no, okay. Literally, no. Like she she's not in the second one. She's not. But Nancy pops up in the third one as like a grad student studying like sleep diseases or something like sleep disorders. Excuse me. And she just says like, Oh, my mom died. And you know, my dad and I don't really talk. And then it comes out late. Like she, you know, it's like Freddie tried to kill me in my she he killed my friends. He tried to kill me. But they don't really explain the ending and how we got from the ending of the first one to three with Nancy. Well, the second one takes place in the same house after Nancy has clearly moved away. Yes, Nancy did move bars or no bars. There were so bars on the window. They kept the bars on the windows, which father in the second movie is so stupid because like the premise of the second movie is a new family moved into Nancy's old house. The bars are still on the windows and like, Oh, we got this house at a great deal. And the son who's like the main character in the movie is like, do you realize like we got a great deal in this house? Because there was a fucking murder. This is like a murder house. And he's the dad's like, no, it's fine. Everything's fine. And like, no, no murders happen. There's bars on the window. Of course, a murder happened here. There are bars in the window. And then like, there are appliances or whatever in that like all the normal ghosty spooky things happen in the house. Appliances fucking go haywire and shit. And the dad's just so like, everything's fine. Oh man, it would be really funny if like, they played it as a sequel, but Freddy isn't in it and the house is just haunted by the ghost of drunk Marge because she died in the house. That'd be fabulous. But it's like really like weird. It's really weird things that keep happening. Like, who keeps drinking all my liquor? Like, she's just doing that to them. Who keeps saying weird shit? Does it smell like cigarettes in here? None of us smoke. Why is that? Nobody smokes here. Why is it smelling cigarettes? Why does it smell like cigarettes and sadness? Depression. Oh my god. Oh god. That's insane. Marge. Marge. So, how do we, how do we feel about this movie? How did we rate it? What are we doing? So let's start out with our guests. Brucker, how do you rate nightmare on Elm Street? Going off of how I do it on Letterbox, I give this four and a half stars. I love it. I think it's such a titan of the genre. They got all the classic tropes. The practical effects make this movie still like, ageless to me. I mean, like, some of it's a little goofy, but like, for the most part, it's still really good. It's genuinely scary. The music, I know we didn't like, have time to talk about it, but like, the music in this is also like, really good too, especially for all the chase scenes. Like the sparkly little theme when Freddy's a little creepy little. Yeah, the subtle piano. Yeah, it's so good. I love the characters. So yeah, I give this a four and a half stars. Frankie. Oh, hey, I'm not a horror queen. Okay, you guys are very horror, lovey-dovey. I am not that. But I did have fun with this movie. It's silly apart and like, nonsensical, and I really enjoyed making fun of it at times. But I did have fun and I really liked the ideas behind it and the executions and the effects and all that good stuff. I ended up giving it a three and a half out of five stars, which for me is not bad considering it's a horror movie. I'm usually pretty lukewarm on horror movies in general, because this is a pretty straight forward horror film. There's not like a lot of genre mixing in here. So for a straight horror movie, that's pretty good for me. Three and a half out of five. I'm a motherfucker. It's a four and a half out of five. It's a titan for a reason. Reddy Krueger is amazing. Robert England does such a great job bringing him to life in West Craven. Of course, he's also a legend in the genre and there's a reason Nightmare in Elm Street has existed and will still exist for Eons and Eons to come. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. I do too. It's fun. It's a good time. Yeah, absolutely. It's a great popcorn movie. Oh, yeah. So that was Nightmare. So next week is our final spoopy movie of spoopy month. It will again be another pretty straightforward horror movie that I'll be showing Scott. I'm really excited. So yeah, we're feeling the 80s horror right now and it's going pretty well. So before we go, of course, I want to give our very special guest a big thank you for joining us once again. And I want to give you a chance to plug everything in anything you wish to plug on your podcast. Yes, thank you again for having me on. It's always fun getting to talk movies with you too. And if people want to come over and check out my show Autopsy before a movie, you can find it anywhere you listen to podcasts. And right now for October, I am focusing just on sequels. So I have episodes out on screen two Halloween two, Brida Frankenstein, and a commentary track on Friday 13 part two, along with that, if people are also a fan of TV shows, I have a commentary track series going on right now for the haunting of Hill House, the Mike Flanagan Netflix series, which I freaking love that. I'm a big fan of commentary tracks. So if people like that show want to rewatch it with, with maybe me pointing out some stuff that I'm seeing in the shots and everything and just talking about it. Yeah, I have that, I have that commentary track series going along for the spooky season as well. So Brucker, what are you doing season of the witch? Oh, man, that's a, that's, I have to, I have to do that sometime. What is that? I don't know that is a Halloween. Frankie sounds like you could go listen to my Halloween franchise, a mega episode where I go through. I was thinking I want to, I want to do the commentary for Friday the 13th part two because otherwise I'm not going to watch that movie probably. It was awesome having you, Brucker. I hope you come back once again. It's been too long since we've done this. Yes, yes, of course. I would. It's always fun coming on the flick. So, yes, make sure you check out Brucker's podcast autopsy of a horror movie and also make sure you come back next week to our podcast. 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