Dr. Vincent Pieribone, Co-CEO and Chief Science Officer of OceanX, discusses the organization's evolution and its shift in messaging. OceanX was founded by Ray and Mark Dalio, inspired by the need to celebrate and protect the ocean. Initially, the focus was on conducting exciting scientific expeditions and showcasing the beauty of the ocean through compelling media.
However, as OceanX gained popularity and recognition, they began to receive requests from governments and organizations seeking solutions to ocean-related issues. This prompted a pivot in their mission to not only highlight the ocean's beauty but also to emphasize the urgent need for solutions to the problems facing it, such as overfishing, pollution, and climate change.
Pieribone emphasizes that while the science surrounding these issues is well-established, the focus now is on actionable solutions. OceanX aims to inspire a love for the ocean, which will lead to its protection, and to engage in partnerships that foster sustainable practices. The organization recognizes the importance of showcasing success stories and innovative solutions, thereby shifting from a predominantly doom-and-gloom narrative to one that highlights hope and potential for positive change. This new direction aims to mobilize public interest and action, ultimately benefiting both the ocean and humanity.
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many of the aspiring marine biologists or even early career marine biologists or even late career marine biologists or mid career marine biologists like myself we all love the ocean that's what we do we get inspired by being on the ocean by doing field work by getting in the water getting wet whether it be in a sub whether you don't want to get wet and sub but whether it be getting wet by a dive or on the water in a smaller boat in the ocean we love the ocean we love what we see every trip is different and it's always inspiring to see in fact a lot of us when we were growing up got inspired by the Jacques Cousteau's and the David Attenborough's and the Shark Week's and the National Geographic's and all the different documentary type shows where we actually saw and got inspired by like you know what that's what I want to do when I grow up but we're going to hear from Ocean X and talking about how inspiration can lead towards solution to the ocean and Ocean X if you don't know is an organization nonprofit organization that explores the ocean and it brings that exploration to you right in your living room or right in your bed or wherever you're watching on your phone or on your iPad wherever you can see National Geographic or a program on BBC like Blue Planet this is Ocean X bring you the stuff that they see each and every day and I have Vincent Parabone who is the co-CEO and chief science officer on Ocean X to be able to talk to you about what the message that Ocean X wants to do in the future they've been really looking forward to bringing you you know the best the very best of of media that they can provide on Ocean X some of my good friends Dr. Nathan Robinson and Melissa Marquez have been on the shows on Ocean X and been able to show what that boat can do also what they can do from the boat and be able to get all that information to you not only for science but for governments but to you so we're going to talk about level behind the scenes of Ocean X how it got started and where it's going in terms of bringing you not only the wonderful things about the ocean but the solutions so that we can protect the ocean and it's not all doom and gloom there's a lot of optimism to look forward to in the future so let's start the show hey everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the how to protect the ocean podcast I'm your host Andrew Lewin and this is the podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean how you can speak up for the ocean and what you can do to live for a better ocean by taking action and on today's episode it's a special one it's a special one for me because I'm honored to have Vincent Parabone on this program to talk about Ocean X now he is the co-CEO and the chief science officer he's got the origin story of Ocean X he's got the passion about not only what Ocean X brings but what Ocean X wants to bring in the future so not only the media that they've built for this beautiful vessel that goes around the world and take samples and does observations and does beautiful science so that they can help governments from all over the world tackle what they need to tackle right for their governmental things essentially they have they need science or they need to collect data you know Ocean X is there that's what the vessels there do that's what the organization is there to do that's what the people in the boat are there to do and they do amazing work plus they have a whole media side of it where they bring people they bring the information to you right to your tablet your phone your tv in your living room in your home on the bus on the train wherever you're watching it from you can get all this information on National Geographic BBC their youtube channel it's just everywhere and it's great to be able to be inspired by that because we all we've all been inspired by something that like what Ocean X is doing in the past right if there before there was Ocean X there was Jacques Cousteau there was David Attenborough there was for Canada David Suzuki there were a lot of different people bring in and of course Dr. Silver Eil bringing you know the information that we see in the ocean the beauty of the ocean to us in our homes and I think that's what the the benefit of media is and when you have an independent organization it's not part of any government just like you do as Ocean X they can do a lot more and they can speak up a lot more and they do and it's really great but they're not only just speaking up and waving the finger at governments or anything like that what they're looking for is they're working to partner with people with organizations with governments to find solutions so that they can talk about solutions to you they can bring the solutions to you say hey you know what there's hope for the ocean it's not all doom and gloom we're going to be able to get through a lot of this stuff but we got to start looking at building businesses for profit non-profit we're going to look at there's opportunity to make money in this so that people can actually profit off of saving the ocean off of saving the planet and these are big big ideas and small ideas that will benefit the ocean that will benefit this planet that will benefit you and I and I think that's what I love about the message that Ocean X is going to bring in the future and I'm looking forward to it it's going to be a lot of fun bringing you a little bit of behind the scenes and sort of the strategy that Ocean X is doing through Vincent Parabone I appreciate him giving his time to be able to talk to you he came to us from Cape Verde that's awesome I think it's amazing I looking forward to this interview I hope you are too so here's the interview with Vincent Parabone coach CEO and chief science officer of Ocean X enjoy and I will talk to you after hey Vincent welcome to the how to protect the ocean podcast are you ready to talk about Ocean X I am Andrew it's all right it's good to see you I am super excited for this because Ocean X has been on like my top like five lists of people I wanted to interview and and organizations I want to get to know more of so I really appreciate you reaching out to be on the podcast this is this is a true honor for me we're gonna get into Ocean X just sort of like the origin story you know the purpose of Ocean X what you guys do some of the cool projects that you've done in the past and maybe some that you can tease for the future we're gonna get into all of that but first Vincent why don't you just kind of let us know who you are and what you do I will first of all I just would like to say it's great to be here I think what you do is terrific protecting the ocean is Ocean X so that's a good segue love into the concept of Ocean X so Ocean X the quick origin story is that Ray Dalio and Mark Dalio Ray being father Mark being the son you know began diving together when they were when way was a bit older in life and Ray was sort of inspired when he was young by Cousteau but didn't think I think much about the ocean until later in life when he started diving with his sons and you know he became aware that the ocean first of all it's magnificent but that the world was not appreciating it as much and that there was a lot of troubles in the ocean that there's a lot of problems with the ocean and and I think Ray just had one of those moments that Ray has where he decided let's try something here let's see if something happens and this ship Aleutia the original vessel that we had came on the market and Ray being a very spontaneous guy just said let's buy it and he's not a yacht guy right no he's got small boats but he's not like I'll buy a yacht so this thing came on and it was a research vessel you know he's like okay it's available so without much thought he bought it I think I don't want to say that but he didn't he bought it so let's see if this works and then he he got together with a lot of interesting people at Woods Hole and yeah learned about it and his model was basically I'm going to take this out and we're going to use it and we're going to invite scientists to come on board and so I I met him very early on at the beginning of this because he did a few expeditions and then I was the time a scientist a neuroscientist and we were very interested in these glowing proteins that we use in the ocean and so I had done some expeditions looking for these things and we have this really good exhibition at the Museum of Natural History and in it we had all this beautiful glowing things and bioluminescence and everything like that so I was kind of working with the Museum of Natural History and then Ray Dalio made a donation to the museum and said here here's some money and put out and put out a request amongst your scientists if they want to come and do this kind of ocean work on the ship you know so I got a call from my friends I was kind of an adjunct there at the museum and they said you know we've done these expeditions you want to go work with this guy to know he was or anything I said sure so we put a put a put a application in got the grant and you know worked for about six eight months building equipment all this kind of cool stuff went to the Solomon Islands with Ray on the boat spent about two and a half weeks they are doing magnificent work in this beautiful place science samples everything and then the last last day or two Ray showed up on the boat want to see what was going on because he kept hearing all the good things about it so he came and I met him and we spent an evening together like a dinner he brought me up back on the boat we were all staying on shore in honey airy and I came back in the boat anyways eight dinner with him met him just was like amazed by him as a person I you know in all fairness I really didn't know what you're about him and I thought I was just another finance guy you know and but he has this very very interesting way of thinking he's written a lot about it you know he's got a very principled very organized thought process and I kind of came away thinking let's just the guy is basically a scientist you know he's like he way down he weights things and it's his logic if you read the books it's a lot about rational thought which seems to me I said it sounds like you're talking like scientist here you know and I think he has an affinity for the sciences I really think in another life you know he would have been a great scientist as well anyway so he he and I began like a friendship that lasted several years where he would invite me out on the boat done some expeditions and some other things to see how things were going and we sort of became friends over the next couple of years and then at one point he just said you know hey do you want to join you know this organization at the time is called allucia productions and I said you know I got a job I'm a professor a full-time neuroscience professor what do I know about the ocean he said head on you for science so why don't you come join so I joined the program around 2017 full-time as an employee but I met back in 13 and he said oh you're in charge of the whole thing and I was like okay that's shocking so I was still a professor we managed to test it today but he said you know come on let's do this thing and then immediately he said let's let's buy a new boat we need a bigger boat you know so so that became the the sort of vision and what he said to me was and what I learned on the boat was that he he really felt that science was was needed you know the science of the ocean needed a visual component to it you know it needed a way to translate it and I remember him saying like there's a lot of science papers published about the world and yet the world doesn't listen right so and I remember thinking to myself that year there was something like 11,000 papers published on climate and why are we still you know the science you know I'll say this and probably nobody want to hear it but the science around climate is pretty settled right we know what's going on and a lot of ocean themes unfortunately the science of human inflicted problems is settled now oceanography is not settled but what we're doing to the ocean is settled we shouldn't we're overfishing we're polluting plastic but you know you know it the list right so doing more science on the impact of that is important but solutions are the most important thing at this point and getting the word out and letting people know that this is not going well and we have to change so ocean X was really built to first and foremost to celebrate the ocean to make sure that you know the old quote you don't protect what you don't love you know and you got to make them love it and Cousteau made us love it right my generation we just loved 100% the way he visualized in the so so this was kind of like let's do a Cousteau moment and in the a modern updated version of Cousteau right yeah so let's let's show the world let's get them make the world fall in love with the ocean and then protection will follow and so that was it and then the idea was doing great science and Ray the first time I met with him he gave me this Venn diagram you know and the Venn diagram was great science and great media and in the middle you know and what was happening was we were doing great science but it wasn't visually compelling and then the visually compelling science didn't always and visual compelling work didn't always have the best science involved so so my job was to make find that middle ground you know find this stuff that was exciting scientifically valid and was helping the world was helping show stories so for the first few years of the of Ocean X we just really built up a following first we created the company we built this amazing vessel covid you know blah blah blah but then we started doing expeditions and the vessel has been focused really on just exciting the world but in the background all the science that we were doing always had and the messaging we always have was about conservation of the ocean and stewardship but of late we've begun to sort of pivot our messaging and that's actually quite new and the pivot has been more of our effort now trying to talk about what needs to be done in the ocean and the science we're doing because we're we become such a popular organization I mean we're sort of almost a victim of our own success that we're being asked by governments like what can we do and how can we help and how can Ocean X help us meet our goals in the ocean so we have begun to rethink a bit our mission because we have this built this unique position for ourselves this platform right by really showing the beauty of science but beauty of the ocean we're in a position to help make change so our our sort of pivot is around making change around talking more about the things that we need to do so we don't want to be you know the Debbie Downer yeah right because Yoshi I could sit here all night and talk to you about the terrible things that we do to the ocean and honestly and that you see like when you're out on the expeditions too right you know you see it and then it's it's evident you know but but there is a reversal we can reverse all this you know so our our thing is like let's let's just get everybody excited about it because the first step is that and then the then we have to have the solutions right so so Ocean X has become an organization which wants to utilize its tools to help governments understand what it has because you know we go to a place that they don't only think about their ocean and we want to say like right super valuable and super valuable not just in an extractive manner right yes not like a natural resource matter it's not it's not like just a place to start digging stuff out of you got oil you got this you got you know fish right we need to like chill on that in a way hmm valuable but it needs to be you know the word sustainability is just overused and it sounds like a bad word these days you know first we were just stop everything and then we said all this do it sustainably but sustainably has become this but the point really is is that we're now at the stage where we really need to find alternatives we need to find alternative value in the ocean right so they need to start thinking everybody needs to start thinking about the value of the genetic diversity in the ocean and the value it provides in terms of food stability and all these things that it does and how does the modern how's the modern view of of the ocean what is the modern view there's tourism in the ocean right there's there's a coastal resilience against these changing hurricanes that yeah we got another one heading up the gulf right now right very scary watched through through florida there's another one head in there the gulf water is like an incubator for these terrible things so the coastal resilience is all about not not taking away those mangroves and not taking away those wet plants and exactly seagrass beds and the bearing of the carbon and the whole thing is there in a nutshell so so how do so we we really take on as our mission the enlivening of these stories and enlivening of the ocean and you know we have all of the creature creature feature stuff we have all the cool animals you just can't get in a submarine or go down the bottom of the ocean that's something amazing dropping in your lap so like the job it just does itself right so we're out there doing one thing and something else happens in the series that we just finished with national g graphic and bbc and jim camarind is that story of half the things that are in that show are not what we went out to film right we said oh we're gonna go see these humpback whales and we're gonna study their language and then we did that but on top of it these things happen and if you watch the show you get a sense of what that was you know that nature just pulls something out of a hat so so it's an easy job to side people about the i say it's easy it's easy the sense that you have an easy leap right yeah but the ocean never never ceases to amaze any of us right even old people like us so so ocean x is really this unique we realize it's still even to this day there isn't an organization that's really dedicated to almost be the pr for the ocean and at the same time a convener of people of partnerships of bringing people together to understand that these solutions are out there we can solve these problems we have in the ocean we can solve we can have our cake and eat it you know it's not that we have to stop we just have to understand it better and we have to understand how to treasure it for what it really is and and you know i just think that all these astronauts you know go to space and look down on the earth they're just like oh you know that captain kirk you know when he went into space William shatner and just said like i've been looking the wrong direction you know yeah base it's beautiful but the ocean and the planet it's just an incubator as some say it's it's like this little you know thing that capes us alive as we're moving through the deadness of the space around us and the excitement is right here under our feet and i think this generation i'm so excited of this younger generation you know there's just a whole lot of criticism but they're our best clients you know they're the ones that feel it in their heart you know and they're the ones that like we'll go out and life and do things everything they do they'll try to bring this love of nature and this you know this discipline and this this what they need is a kind of a respect and a thought that has to enter their mind my generation it didn't enter your mind to take care of no the world planet they they have right that's that's a brilliant you know that's going to save the earth honestly so i i think we our generation gave them the tools to understand it so yeah anyways it's it's it's an exciting endeavor traveling the world and doing that and never ceases to be anything but a thrill i pinch myself i just today i was out with a contingent of people and they said you must have the greatest job in the world i was like i'm i'm sorry to say but i do you know i don't happen in my life i don't know what i did right that this landed in my book but it is truly you know it's truly a pleasure and an honor and it's an honor to bring it to the world so yeah well i'm sure you know through through the the things that happen in the world you set yourself up to be there for that opportunity and that's how that's how it all came to be so i'm sure that you did something not realizing it but it ended up being in a good way even just being a good conversationalist you know with who it's right so that's great i have to say that yeah it was yeah i appreciated the ability to interpret science as a scientist and not speak always like a scientist but rather at my stage in life i've had to explain it so much in in giving lectures and speaking to people that you you get a i get a sense of where you reach a certain understanding in science i think where you no longer have to impress anybody with what you know but you you have an understanding of the top to bottom from the from the molecules all the way to the organization not to say that you understand it but there's a kind of right line that you kind of can explain in a way there's a logic a whole whole process you know and that that's a beauty when you see it and if people i feel that i feel a little bit like sally airy you know the guy from the Mozart movie where your witness with science as a scientist your witness to the greatness of of the world a greatness of things but sometimes the audience doesn't get it you know true like i cannot understand why you wouldn't protect the ocean it to me it's an absolutely fantastic amazing it is just like the most rich thing on the earth and so that i don't understand why the world doesn't see that the same way now the world's got a lot of other problems to deal with right so i get it but on the other hand yeah it's so foundational to the human species well i find i find also though like we you know we've been brought up to understand and learn and and especially as scientists to communicate the problems that we're facing in the ocean and on this planet and so we we have been a doom and gloom like i'm generation x almost like at that cusp of generation x and millennia i was 78 baby and you know you hear about the climate change and i've been hearing about climate change my entire life you know from the 90s all the way to now and we're now we're really starting to see the effects but now it's really kind of coming in like it's it's undeniable at this point you know at you know the last over the last 10 years or so and and i but i find though we've been in such a state of doom and gloom for the last you know 30, 40 years of my life anyway that a lot of times we kind of hide the solutions to the end you know like i always say like a lot of documentaries that you see in the past they would go through here's the beauty of the ocean okay and then here's the the problem is a regular storytelling thing here's the problem here's here's sort of like where we're seeing at the cusp and we got to do something but we're not doing something and then at the tail and after that climax of the story we start to hear a little bit about the solution but there's not a lot of time spent on the solution you know so that's why when you when you're telling me that ocean x is is pivoting the messaging to be like look we're not only going to make people fall in love with the ocean but we're gonna start talking about the solutions this excites me because we needed this on a a global level you know on the platforms where you know ocean x working with national geographic working with bbc working with these types of of media platforms where you get global coverage to show the beauty of not only the ocean x ship and the mission but also what you see in that ocean to be able to talk about solutions on that basis and get people excited you know that's the one thing that i've been trying to do on this podcast for a long time is is get the stories that you don't know when you hear and talk about the successes of you know villages in the Philippines being able to adapt to climate by having like a savings bank for their fisheries so in case their marine protected area gets taken out by typhoon they don't have to worry about fishing for a little bit because they've had something stored away and they can still feed their families they can still send their kids to school and and still take care of themselves while this builds back up as it as we hope that it does and they've been able to feed off of that and then continue to to to contribute to this series and so the hearing solutions like that gets people excited like oh so there is there are there we're not we're not in dire knee like we're not doomed you know in this gloomy kind of situation no there are ways that we can we can build up and even like you know talking about what's about to hit Tampa bay you know with with hurricane milton um you know it's looking at the infrastructure of Tampa and looking at the infrastructure of florida and focusing on being more resilient making those cities more resilient even all the way up the southeast and even to where i live in Ontario Canada we got the effects of hurricane barrel earlier this summer and we started to see vulnerabilities in flooding because of so much water and and so forth so you know we've been talking about these stories and solutions it'll be great to see those types of solutions get on a global map on like on major media so that people are watching these so not only are they seeing the beauty of the ocean and maybe some of those consequences that we're seeing but also the solution to those consequences i'm really excited that ocean x is is is getting and getting involved in that because you guys have such great production value such great people that work on that how do you you know get solutions and how do you portray that is it like individual stories or is it like you working with governments can you talk a little bit about how that is moving into place so um i noticed at cop from i went to cop 27 which was in egypt in cop 28 which was in Dubai i'd never been to the cop meetings before honestly i went to the cop with on a lark just to go see it you know and invite there and i walked around and it was so inspiring to be there because sometimes in our country there just seems like there's like half the world doesn't believe in this whole thing and half the world is fighting against it but then you go to cop and you're at this group of people from all over the world anywhere they are that they're that understand the problems and all it is about is solutions to the problems it's just piles of solutions that was what every booth i went to i was like oh you've got hydrogen oh you've got farming oh you've got seaweed oh like like oh it's everywhere you know like it isn't some bespoke thing it's become a mainstream you know be due to the real due to the movement the climate movement and the thought around it the fact that that you know what we're asking though at the end of the day to me and this was an epiphany for me is that i think that the development of oil and developed petroleum i tell everyone this it's probably the greatest thing that the human species has ever done and i don't think that people want to hear that from an environmental group but the reality is that that has brought such a it has changed humans in a way if you study it how amazing it was it's changed in terms of lighting and just starting with lighting but you know transportation and food it's all thanks to petroleum right to save to be honest it saved the whales because that's what we got our energy before well as as a as a thing um and in the end of the day like it was a great uplifter for the entire so it's a very hard thing to say okay guys we got to not do this anymore and i think that i'm proud to be a scientist because scientists looked at the problem and said okay it's a problem now but there's still entrenched not just business but there's just an entrenched thing in that world because they built such an amazing structure to distribute this oil throughout the world and to it's a bad word today but in reality it's an amazing thing but but as a scientist we have to look at it and say it's now it's absolutely wrong and it maybe it wasn't wrong when we started it and it wasn't wrong for a long as time but now we realize that it's causing damage serious damage to the earth right and you taking all this carbon that you know nature has spent billions of years bearing right and the atmosphere is a result of that and all of the earth is a result of this carbon being physically buried due to carbon storage over the billions and we're just like burning it like shooting it out and the atmosphere and everything in the ocean is trying to take it right and it can't it's just not it just can't take it right and and you say oh it's a couple of degrees like you hear that you hear the IOC and they're like oh it's two degrees you know i always remind people like two degrees is two degrees over the earth it's not like it's not just one area it's the difference of two degrees but the fact is that we're seeing the effects of that like a couple of degrees in the in the in the Gulf of Mexico when you got category fives every day yeah category fives category it gets if something gets in that gulf it's going to become a category five it's it's warm so when i i turned the corner when i was actually copped 27 on some level because part of me is like i live in this world of problem problem so she traveling around the earth and seeing first me and i started to see the concept of this hydrogen generation right i know that hydrogen sort of had a false start maybe a couple of years ago people started well california did stuff with it it was the first time and now and i started to like dig into it like as alternative fuel and it just the whole thing suddenly just came crystal clear to me you know like there is this material on the earth hydrogen which is 80 percent of the earth is made of hydrogen right that is this exchange you know exchange material between electricity and storage and electricity and it's like the battery it's everything all in one period and the idea now that you know hydrogen is just this exchange feature right but the beauty of the idea suddenly became to me that like if you again as scientists you can put aside all the difficulties in society right in other words not the difficulty it's exciting accepting things and change you can just look at it purely academically and say like this is clearly the way to go like there's no doubt about it right there's no other there's other fuels that can be in the mix but all the different ways to create this it's like i always say it's like the ATP you know from biology ATP is all this energy that you eat and the food ends up in your body and ends up as ATP right and the ATP is currency exchange so hydrogen is like going to be the exchange right we're going to make it all different ways whether it's solar or wind or you know g at pharma or we drill it out of the earth which was another moment that was an epiphany for me and suddenly we have this fuel that we can use and do and it's not going to cause any problems for us it's a different thing right and um and it's suddenly like this big beautiful thing that was oil sees its way to this new thing that has many of the features that will have oil but it won't have all of the downsides of putting so much carbon in the atmosphere and carbon in the atmosphere kind of leads to a lot of the problems that we see the acidification and heating the movement of animals because of the time all you know carbon is a hard of a lot of that now having said that you know as ocean x is concerned about the pressures on the ocean carbon acidification is really only one unfortunately of many problems that we have right pollution nutrification you know overfishing right terrible and coastal development plastic pollution everything these are all you know human anthropogenic issues with the ocean right and not only climate change is only one of those but to me i kept saying like if you can't solve that one but then i thought you know what the beauty of science is that it finds its way through all of this you know who finds ways to solve these epic problems you know and that makes me proud be a scientist to be one of the people who are on that side of solutions you know and all you got to choose take a bunch of young people put them in a room and tell them to solve the problem and and if they have the freedom in the society the resources and the audacity in america to me if i travel the world still retains this not the only country for sure but it's one of a few countries in the world that has the audacity to put to just do stuff you know say like we're going to try this and follow the leads and fail and fail and fail until you fail you know and and so now i come back to the solutions as you're mentioning and i see in each of these areas you know we've got solutions to these things right it's no longer you know like i came from biomedical science right alzheimer's disease is a real problem it doesn't have a solution science has not given us a solution to that disease we've got some drugs they don't work that well we've got a lot of really smart people studying it but i can't say to you today that we've got like the scientific solution to that horrible problem right but i look then i look back in this field and i go like wait a minute we've got a solution for that yeah bamboo we got hydrogen right we've got plastic bags that dissolve we've got like everything there's a lot of batteries we've got stuff you know we got wind power we got solar like it isn't one thing but what it is is a lot of time i'm seeing desalinization plants that go underwater like fantastic solutions to problems ocean energy energy from the ocean like science of it and all aided by the modern AI and ways to sort of like utilize all this stuff so to me it's like the problems are kind of all solved and the money is now to be made and that's the part that also makes me very excited is that you know the power of the economy you know and ray has always driven that home to me is like philanthropy's great it kind of finds a light it kind of is it's like a risk capital but when you want things to happen you got to get it into the private sector you got to get it to the larger global markets that's where all the money is that's where the things happen and so i start to see how the global markets responding to this in a way they have to right but also there's investment potential and government regulation which is a good thing in many cases nobody wants to hear that either but you know seat belts were a good idea that was a government regulation like car companies didn't say hey let's save people's lives right no fortunately and Ralph nader you know we'll talk your ear off on that about how like having airbags was going to kill the American car or right and what do we do now now we sell airbags oh i got 12 i got 13 back you know so like when that's a selling feature yeah selling feature right yeah oh global was doing well because it was safe car though maybe we should make safe car right so it's it's all temporal you know like yeah i'm sure if you go back and look at those hearings in the 70s are like he's killing the car companies it's gonna grow or it can't happen we can't how can we inflate a bag in 35 millisecond you don't hear anything about it anymore it's gone that'll be pretty much you know our grandchildren will all be gone like what were you guys talking about like yeah it's all done right so it's this transition period but transitions are times to make money so when you go back to that i i think that ray is a unique position as this really global scion of finance and world economics and you know he's a behind the scenes guy like everything understanding how things are working and go people go to him as you know and and i learned that like you can see it beginning these solutions are leaving the realm of the kind of startups and the venture capitals and they're getting into the so like if you see that like korea has made these massive hydrogen generating devices you know these high electrolysis units and then these fuel cells you can run a ship they've got they've got brains running on fuel cells right they've they're making enough energy to store right it's just you just see it's incredible and i think now that now is the moment right they're going to be people years from now they're going to say how do those oil how do those hydrogen companies get so rich when but now is the chance to get on that bandwidth that was the rocket sellers of today or the people who are not waiting around and saying let's move right and so i think there's money to be made and i'm not saying that like in a disingenuous way but like this transition has gone from not doable to you better get in now because soon you're going to miss the you're going to miss the train when the you know when the hundred percent the seaweed train goes and the fish farms and all the things that are going to help this economy our world's shift and unfortunately you know the other issues of course the developed world sort of the northern hemisphere will all get there sooner right and so part of our my job is i travel around to these places it's a capability for one is to say like you know the way the cell phones are kind of leaped ahead star link is going to leap everybody ahead like you've got these leaping technologies maybe you don't have to go through all the headaches we went through right but you better you better get in on this business because you know the next exxon mobile is going to be in in a business and you should have it here right exactly you should yield and the and so like the opportunity to me like i can you can name a problem and i can give you a solution you know in the climate world and the ocean world and we work a lot with like world economic forum again this is like the people that bring you down which is a big like oh my god but they're also got a thousand startups thousand ocean startups and there's just yeah a bunch of smart people we had them on our boat we did like a kind of like a tour around and every each one of them you're just like oh so wait a minute i can use your technology and i can take co2 out of the atmosphere i can make hydrogen i can take seawater i can bury this this co2 safely in the seawater and get hydrogen out as a byproduct win win win right and i'm getting out hydrogen that i can then use so co2 down hydrogen out yeah hydrogen no pH change yeah it actually makes sense because hydrogen and up means losing protons and you're putting you know boom that whole problem solved you know the way i'm like oh wow and what's the chemistry behind that and it's a little company in california doing this you know you're like okay so you see these transitions you know and so to me i started seeing this and thought well that's the story right yeah is the ocean as a place to be and also we talk a lot about space and how well they did how well nasa did i was well space x and everybody does it sort of popularizing this place that nobody really wants to go to let me let's be clear right i always say there's there's no like talking raccoons in space even though there is a marvel there is we're not finding them one to get there right and i made not yet anyway i made this joke which i always repeat but i still think it's funny i said it at a conference where there was some nasa people i said you know that's series that many series that you're going to do on going to mars you know that's six part series and the first part is getting there is getting there it's going to be great but being there is not going to be you know growing potatoes on mars right yes it's going to be real boring because it's going to be it's going to be this part two dust part three part four rock and dust you know it's like it is the delyophilized dried dead yeah worst nightmare of a place to go right it's not going to be easy you know i must may want to go there good good for him him and his sperm you know he sent us he sent us yes somebody that sent a sperm out so him and his sperm can go to can go there but i'm telling you that i get in the submarine you know i go right off the coast here i'll go down the submarine and i'll see creatures that that scare the hell out of me right yeah they're amazing and they're magic amazing you know they're floating through time right so i don't need to go into space to see that in fact i know that i'm not gonna see it right so to me the looking upward is is not is to me is i love space i love the whole thing of it but it's it's more than getting there that's kind of interesting but the being down there underwater is so you know it's just organically exciting and beautiful so well it's different every time you go i would imagine too and if you're in a submarine it's everything is different every time you go down there's something new that you can probably see i mean if you just do the math right you we've mapped like maybe three percent of the ocean bottom maybe maybe more maybe up to maybe up to 40 percent as you matter with the sonographic mapping right but most of it is like map just to be clear with sonographic but if you go to like visualization you're about 0.001 percent because the problem with the ocean of course is that it doesn't conduct like well doesn't conduct any radio waves right so you can't have GPS down there you can't have Wi-Fi bluetooth cell phones nothing right so you're down there in this void and the light that you send out of your submarine just goes maybe five four five meters max that's how much you can get light out especially in the dark which starts you know around so you're in this dark area where you can't right but so as you're driving you see stuff and you think oh i was on a two-hour two-hour dive and i saw three strange creatures that's not a lot yeah we'll do the math on that you know you only saw as long as you went to the grand canyon and you looked out because grand canyon you look out you're seeing miles and miles of of everything but underwater you're seeing five meters for eight hours so you can do the math on the volume you actually witnessed it's tiny you know and yet in that you saw three creatures and the other ones are scared of your lights or your sound so the places just live it with life you know so we're all playing the ocean x plays a lot with how to sneak up on them like i told everybody when we're building the boat you know we're building it with a lot of oil oil company people who build boats you know and so i was saying look the goal of this boat is to sneak up on stuff it's like to sneak up and witness it you know and not make noise and they were all like what we're throwing and we're you know no no no no we're not drilling no hydraulics no let's get this low-light midlights like it's sort of like night club mood because you got to move in on them so they're paying attention you know so you know that was okay i get it so we made very quiet ROVs that we made quiet we put new motors on the on the subs recently very quiet so they don't scare stuff and then you start to they start to come out you know they're shy and they come out and they see well you walk around the woods you don't see a lot of animals they all run for cover and they do it even more in the sea normally if they think if something's bright and making noise i don't want to be anywhere near it right that's a sign that we're going to get eaten so the life that you see when you play these tricks you turn the lights out you buy luminescent i mean it's just yeah i mean like i said it's it's i've never taken i've maybe done 40 50 sub dives in the past couple years it's never nothing it's always you may go all the way down not seeing them all the way up and you're 15 feet from the surface and and something shows up and you're just something shows up there it is yeah that's incredible incredible yeah and so to if i if i can if i'm getting this in terms of the solutions and the stories being told on on the ship and on like what ocean x does are you are you trying to bring the solution makers inspire them on the boat and in the ocean and start to bring them together to have those conversations so yeah not only do we get collaboration like you would see in the science world but you're starting to get exchange of ideas and start to get that inspiration like look you could go down into submarine or you could do a dive or you could you know look out on the ocean and be out in the middle of the pacific ocean and be like this is amazing you know like you can never get on i'll tell you this i've been on ships before there is no better place to see a sunset than on a ship when there's there's just the horizon ahead of you and you see that sunset i mean i still think that my favorite sunset which it didn't really set was in was in the Beaufort sea up in in the Arctic in Canada where it was still light and you just see the sun go over the horizon for like it felt like a minute and then pop up yeah and then like you never get sunsets like that like unless you're on a ship so i totally buy into the inspiration that people feel now with the media aspect of ocean x will this be filmed with these exchange of ideas and sort of seeing these solution makers if we if we want to call them that being inspired and having those discussions and like will those be on like the programs like you know the planet or something similar is that is that what we're looking at is that what we're looking at going so it's still at the heart of the organization is discovery and exploration and right i spent a lot of time thinking about exploration as a concept an exploration as a concept i think is super valuable in and of itself but you know as we try to solve problems our ship also is uniquely positioned to help collect the data necessary solve problems and i can't overlook that it's a for sure this is a discovery machine you know i call it i call it like exploration science is what we tried to maximize we tried to say we put this thing in the water what's the maximum possibility over the limited time we have in a particular location to film to collect dna to do as much possible viewing so we built a ship that can pull up at a location we could put two submarines in the water put an rv down do a ct t cast put a helicopter in the air to do megaphone surveys and put a team out of scuba divers out on the boat everything at once and we've done this and you just the boat gets on sight and just everybody goes it's like a bond boat you know literally it's like a morning meeting you know the night night meeting is like you're eight o'clock you're eight o'clock you're eight ten and everybody's got you know and it's like it becomes like a machine it's not just the first thing about what's going on here like we can't do is like no no and when we're planning expeditions i have to say to everybody like they're like oh well all we're gonna do is this today i was like okay you just plan for that and then i'm over here we'll plan for that too you know and they get there and they're like what's going on we're doing this i'm like just you do that we're doing this we've got a helicopter going out you know we're working for whales you know at the same time right so so i did built it as this discovery machine now that was the old riding because on the luscha the previous vessel we had to use a lot of the same points to access you know we had to launch and recover ROVs and subs all from the same place so we have separate launch and recovery systems for the helicopters everything obviously right so so we can do everything that simultaneously so it is a discovery machine and still in my heart and i think ray and mark and both of us agree that discovery still is is the heart of the organization because we have to we have to because we we can't even tell people what's out there if we don't know like we just don't even know like i make discoveries on that boat scientifically valid discovery sometimes they come back to you we discovered an algae in the red sea right i didn't think an algae in the deep and this algae you know it just kind of we kind of what we can send anomaly like why is algae so deep algae by definition yeah needs these light so it turns out for zos and thelly which are the type of algae that live in coral and make them brown and do photosynthesis um they they also can eat you know they're one of those few creatures on the earth that can eat and do photosynthesis right so like plants that also eat right so these creatures live in the deep and instead of doing photosynthesis because they don't have any chlorophyll left in them as they just eat food and they secrete but they still live symbiotically with the corals in the deep it seems like so how are they doing that why are they doing it why do you need a symbiotic algae in your tissues if you're not doing photosynthesis well we think we don't know we think they're digesting food and then secreting a kind of a glycerol or like like easier products for the coral to absorb and live off of so the coral still provides a home but maybe they become more of a parasite than than a symbiotically still the relationship exists i thought yeah well interesting esoter and then fast forward we're applying for a DARPA funding to use these algae in a deep sea device that will create power with a with an algae that can live at that depth and can digest food and secrete glycerol onto an electrode surface that turns elect that turns glycerol directly into electricity so there are bio-electrode arrays that you can build so now suddenly you have a discovery that at the time seemed cool and interesting but not relevant into building into a product that will be able to produce 10 lots of power sitting in any environment with no sun and no water movement almost nothing to power sensor arrays for example you can put these out where they're non-destructive they don't they don't have batteries in them right so that's concept of this i mean we're working on in the lab right now but discovery still leads to opens the door for two businesses and industries and ideas that you didn't have so discovery still is at the heart of what we do but like i said we realized that with our prominent visual position as a vessel and a prominent what we built the prominent image of ocean eggs and countries are inviting us to come and say we want you to discover our waters and then at the same time they start asking like well what what kind of study should we do to help protect our waters like what is that what could be done you know how to protect the fisheries to evaluate our fisheries like and and how do we how do we find carbon credits in the ocean we don't know how to do that so can we help right and we help them find seagrass beds right because you know as you know a great carbon stores and they want to destroy them or don't care about them but they're really valuable to storing carbon so here you protect those and biodiversity too and biodiversity i mean they're like the coral reefs and you know they're one of the few plants that lives in the ocean and they do a magnificent job and everybody loves them so they you know there's companies that are looking for these things we're looking for them so so what we try to do now is try to bring together both of the technology we have on board the vessel to help countries who honestly the vessel is the best the best ocean graphic vessel in the world without exception so even the u.s. and friends we're very you know proud to say that that we built the thing and thanks to Ray Dalio and thanks it is an amazing like i said he can do so much at once you know but so any country we go into we're the best they've ever seen and we need to to help them with that that we have to turn that into a valuable that's the goal of the nonprofit is to go in and help society and help and in this case discovery is important but helping them make the transition to a more to an economy that will think more about the ocean and protect the ocean and view the long-term investment and value the ocean the way it should be so how can we help them do that and at the same time whether trying to develop as a country where the country is trying to grow to be you know to be more developed country so how can we help them do that at the same time you see you seem to inherently understand the idea that that this exploitive extraction from their waters is not good right and also in some cases it's become a difficult you know when they're extracting so much fish and if they if it's an if it's a place that lives on fish there are many of these southeast Asian countries for sure fish right and they're losing it right and it's so it's more of an issue not just a financial issue but you know a country that can't feed its populace you know some countries in the southeast Asia get 40% of their protein from fish and the fish are grown away first of all they're leaving the waters but also they've been overfished dramatically right so they can't do that you know and they think like well they need more fish for the economy and on the other hand the more fish they take the less they have I mean it's a terrible thing what we say maybe we can find a way to reduce the tape or you take in certain areas protect other areas you know do it and there are examples of places in the US have done it other countries have done it where they protected fisheries and the fisheries can you know rebound and get to a kind of a stable level of production where they're not showing it decline you know and if you look at the if you look at values for example of effort put in amount of fishing boats versus fish you know you normally used to see this the more fishing boats the more fish now you just see that starting to plateau and you're piling more fishing boats and you're not getting any fish out because you're not getting any fish out women you know the cod fisheries in the north Atlantic were or our wake-up call as a yeah world but especially the the Atlantic hemisphere that we can't just do that we've been punting those animals for for you know a thousand years got you know and now we got it we just can't do they're gone right so so we can use a lot of our bad experience and I think I go for example we spent a lot of time in the Florida Keys you know and I grew up in Florida and the Florida has done a terrible job and I'm saying it here at protecting its natural resources and I imagine you know when I was young we go to the Keys there was you couldn't throw a rock you didn't hit a dive spot you know you didn't have a dive show yeah it could have grown into the largest dive site in the world right because it had driving access it's the only coral reef that America owns except for what's in Hawaii right but it's the only and it's one of the largest berry reefs well it is destroyed no matter what the Florida tourism bureau might want to tell you it's not on the top list for anybody to dive in the Caribbean so if you go to a dive magazine you say top dive spots they're gonna say bon air they're gonna say Turks and Caicos they're gonna say you know and that's basically every time I see that it's like big pine key it's Luke key it's all the Keys could have been in that list and they're not anymore because of everything they did you know and so you go to a foreign country and you're like look I can tell you how to ruin your coral reef you over fit which we did in Florida right anchors down all you want in Florida we stopped doing that recently yeah right we can neutrify the water by polluting and you can pump raw sewage out of Miami processed sewage outside of Miami Bay still to this day we pump sewage into Miami Bay right you can do those things and let me show you what it looks like you know I in my time in the 70s I dove there you know and it was crazy and then yeah we had a trip to the to Cuba and I say that that's a real kick in the gut for a real red meat state like Florida that they don't love Fidel Castro and his Cuba but I'll tell you Fidel Castro did a better job of protecting the waters around he did and I'm gonna get killed for saying this but I dove in that area we were talking about it earlier saltwater crocs you've got whales you got bait balls you know you've got the thing that you had in Florida it's gone right in Florida and that's 90 miles off the coast so it's not a climate change issue in Florida those reefs were actively destroyed by you know and there's a lot of great people down there working now we've got this disease running down the coast I mean I have to say I went down there in dove I hadn't dove 20 years there and I and when we brought Aleutia there we did this very extensive set of experiments all the way from Dry Tortuga up to to my bay and we went that direction because we didn't want to we didn't want to drag the disease with us as we went down we were recommended you're gonna dive in the diseased parts of the water though so I did that I said all the places I've been in the world I've never seen in a country like the United States like why would we do that you know and I'm on the boat and we're having these press conferences and the beauty of being Ocean X is like I don't nobody owns this right right some of the laboratories that we worked with there and other they're all state-funded and they're okay to mouth I don't I don't keep my mouth shut I'm now they're debating whether they should you know they should ban certain types of sunblock and I was saying to the guy like are you kidding me can you look in the water out there and am I sure that sunblock you change example that's going to protect your reef no I don't know but I'm going to tell you if you put sunblock in a tank with fish with reef it kills them right yeah but you know okay you go ahead but you got a patient underwater there that's like on life support so can you not do everything you can possibly do to revive this thing or you just gonna argue with me about whether sunscreen which blocks the sun raises from getting your skin and corals need sun so I don't know logically it makes sense to me I don't think like they're out there and by the way so true you're in Mexico yeah so all your complaints the Mexicans figured this stuff out and Florida's arguing the point like really I mean really nailing the coffin so I realized that those points that the messaging that we do at Ocean X is even more important than the science because what I was surrounded by but it's amazing scientists studying these diseased coral and I'm like guys like it's like the economy stupid you know like it is that's the problem is facing you there you know that you screwed up the Everglades that you let me so like we go to I go to other countries and I'm like I'm not here to tell you in your developing country how America does things better and you know they don't want to hear that and you know what we don't tell them that because we didn't know that you know I can't stand there let me bring you to the code there's a Florida grief you show you how beautiful it is you know yeah and I'm sure I won't be allowed to go to Florida again but on the other hand like please stop stop yeah it's true and they've got this huge multi-billion dollar plan to try to fix the Everglades where is it they've got to fix the problem that they made so you know I think that we have case studies in that direction and so and then you got Cuba right across the water you know so I think that in the thing about Ocean X was beautiful for me as a person to have witnessed all of this whether it's the Red Sea or the India Pacific or the Arctic or the Antarctic or I've been in all the oceans I've seen it all firsthand you know from the from a submarine I've talked to everybody about it right so so it's not a it's not a fake news thing it's a like I've known it seen it yeah people a lot of people have I'm not the only one scientist to do it but Ocean X has given me the unique opportunity to be to be there and to look at all that and to but then but then to see that and enlighten societies think about it right about waste treatment you know the Florida Keys had septic systems on the Keys I mean what we're thinking these are islands made of you know coral sand very sensitive to change yeah and you're going to put you know E. coli down there and you think it's not going to get out into the course it neutrified the whole area right and you're going to walk the water that's filtered through the Everglades and now you're getting certain fertilizer I mean so you know you see these things and you see countries that are really trying hard to avoid those problems and that to me is just that solution happening right there so to kind of bring that message is what I think is great and then to bring the technology but it's it's more the technology it's a way of thinking which is a way of thinking so yeah to say to them like for sure western culture doesn't have the answer to these problems we we have the answer by the fact that we did things wrong and so what I'm going to ask of you is to just feel in your heart what does your heart telling you and then let us help you with the technology let us help you see the solutions to your problems and maybe we can solve it together and that that kind of is what I think the message is when I think also there's there's there's that side which is I think is a very admirable side because we need more solutions we need more people not only do we have the solution but we we need more people putting those solutions into place whether it be through business whether it be nonprofit for-profit businesses but basically putting those solutions so that people see it right we need to see these you know kelp made clothing and we need to see the ways to yeah bamboo and like and no more single use plastic but the alternatives to that not just so that we regulate we still need to do regulate and ban some of those materials but also offer those alternatives so it's not difficult to find right and be able to go out and find it which is which is great but I think the the other side which is a huge side too is to educate and inspire the people who are watching this message people there are people out there who want to know more about the ocean there are people who are out there who don't want to just know about the doom and gloom but they want they would need they crave those solutions that they can be like okay we're actually on the right track here there's actually ways to do it because I think what happens is that the messaging around a lot of these major problems for people who don't want to change is there's nothing you can do about it so you might as well just you know rely on it you know and if we if they if people see that there are solutions then they can start to put pressure on the people who are avoiding those solutions or avoiding putting those solutions into play or putting up barricades to those solutions to say hey you know what maybe you shouldn't be in those positions of power anymore and if it's something that's elected maybe you shouldn't be elected into those positions of power and maybe we should put people who want more solutions to be put in place who want to address the problems into place I feel like there's a there's a definite benefit to that type of messaging that Ocean X will be putting out for people to see and just be like hey you know what like no I'm I'm on side of these people being putting these solutions into it you know what I mean yeah I got some I believe a little bit Hollywood recently because there's a sort of dystopic Hollywood messaging around the future you know they've just kind of given up on it right and yeah I know that it's easier to write those kind of shows than it is to run yeah but I want to think like they're thinking either we're gonna have to go back to Little House in the Prairie we're gonna have to give up all of our tech and everything's gonna go bad because what we're we're telling you is that you got to give up all this amazing stuff and and and that's the dystopic part where you're gonna put chase and zombies or whatever on horseback you know like yeah no like we don't the choice isn't isn't that we're gonna pollute the world and it's gonna be hardly in the Blade Runner right the raining and then oh my god like it's never sunny out you know like like doesn't have to happen it doesn't happen in fact we can have both it's the cake and eating it part that I love to tell the story of like just because I'm saying oil is a bad thing doesn't mean I want us to go back to before oil no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no in fact that's past it it's been past it it's almost like saying wish you just go back to killing whales again like it it's ludicrous that yeah the fact is in the beauty of all this is the human spirit and and the generational I'm older but I get to just live in this world of optimism not it's not like optimism as much as I see it differently I like I was saying before I see it as like this is the time of opportunity because species ain't going anywhere and we're not going back nobody's gonna accept that okay we're gonna go horse and carriage now no no we're not gonna accept that because if you're gonna offer horse and carriage or hydrogen vehicle I'm taking the hydrogen vehicle right I mean I'm doing for sure so I think that the thing is like it's the chance that it's the real chance to make money it's the chance to build the new world and you know the money is isn't a good incentive in a way the nonprofit space is absolutely essential like I said but but that letting people know that there's a future and it's going to be a happy future and we're gonna like it just as much you know we're gonna get over the fact that the car doesn't make the same noise it does when you know they can you can put it in there right but it doesn't make the same noise like you're going to get over that I mean I love I love Bruce Springsteen but the generation of cars of that you know that muscle car concept you know it'll change somehow we'll be a new concept that comes out of it but we will you know we will find that place and it's okay we'll be okay we'll get there it'll still be it'll be great the world will be even greater you know exactly welcome back I mean I think the planet renewed will surprise people you know yeah totally surprised people all of a sudden deers are running around the streets like imagine when we really let the coral reefs come back and the rainforests come back I mean that's the future I I would love to see I was fortunate enough to go to some of these places before some of them are damaged and there's still some of them that are there earth will rebuild itself but it needs to line it needs us to leave it alone you know but that will happen so the future isn't doom and gloom it's instead opportunity yeah for the new world to build a new world you weren't you don't give that opportunity often you know like if you can now build energy systems to compete with ExxonMobil you're doing good right if you know let's say that you can make energy you've got a windmill and you can make energy and you can make hydrogen and you can sell it to your neighbor you've just beat ExxonMobil right yeah everybody doing this in its own little way because you can't drill in your backyard and find oil and refine and sell it you that's that's in the domain of large companies that take places where it is and move it to places where it isn't and refine it it's a very elaborate process but now imagine that you have a windmill and you make enough power to make enough hydrogen or electricity to give to your neighbor or to make enough for yourself or to power a few cars or if you've got a dam in a country in a city you can make enough to drive all the cars in the city right oh suddenly it's a different playing field for energy now suddenly energy becomes open to everybody and if you're in North Africa right now you should be sitting around going we have the sun yeah and they need energy north up in in Europe so let's make the hydrogen let's put it in pipes and let's send it up there and we're going to be making green energy up there and they don't have to get it from places that are not as pleasant and are exactly sad that fuel for so long they don't they don't remember how to govern properly because the fuel is just you know they're so rich with it so in some places not all places that don't yeah of course but now this changes the balance right and allows you to think more wow creative ways to do things you know so I think it's a land a time of opportunity and a time of excitement I think it could be amongst young people but the messaging like you said like we really can't continue pounding away on the dystopian future you know makes for great movies and I don't you know I don't tell how it would do their business but the fact is like that isn't that isn't the solution that's not the future it's not the future we should be future we want yeah young people are going to be optimistic like let's my young young children I'm 13 and 15 year old and I try to tell them like don't don't don't worry about that that is your chance to grab this thing now and yeah out there with all the computer technology and AI and like hydrogen all these different things are building this new world that you're going to take home and it's just going to work better you know in the end it's going to take years years before everybody can make the change to these things but so what it took years to get where we are it takes time nothing right what we're talking about takes time and it takes but it takes people to be inspired to be optimistic and I think what Ocean X is the the the line that Ocean X is on in the direction that Ocean X is taking I think it's a great way to start this off to get people more people inspired to get people looking for solutions look around and then continuing on and being part of that solution I think is the future like you said there's opportunity there's money to be made and it doesn't have to come at the cost of the environment and of the planet and of the ocean I think that is probably the perfect way to even sum up what we need to do in our planet and what Ocean X is is helping to do for our planet with with the ship that's going around the world and exploring around the world so I love that aspect I'll tell you in your listeners send us your solution your ocean oh yeah and what we'll do is if we find time or find place or find the location we'll highlight that concept you know we'll be your free advertising because we're looking at having people come on board that that do these things we're already doing that bringing them on board and saying showcase what you're doing let's put it down there let's visit it let's visit the fish and seaweed farm and talk about solutions rather than and we have a brilliant way we have these brilliant filmmakers and storytellers in our court and by the way they're all gung-ho on the idea because they see it towards so we're all gung-ho we're all this optimistic group there you know they just want us to help so when I talk to the group about okay we're gonna make this pivot everybody's going yes because we see it we're not we're not gonna show the ocean it's never been doom and gloom we've always been like the optimism around the ocean and how beautiful it is and that's worked and that's gotten an audience that's like totally enthralled by it but then we also want to say like okay you love the animals what can you do to protect them is think about you go out and make some money and start a company that's gonna be but but go with that new sensibility that you're gonna that this generation is gonna have more than any that can solve that problem in hundred percent I love this and build it and be and have fun at it right I think that's fantastic I look forward to seeing this messaging coming out I think it's gonna be something that it's necessary we need it we need more of this solution I think it's filling that need and people sort of don't want to be you know they only pointed fingers at and I don't think then as a scientist I don't see a reason to do that like we're all in this together and like just taking sides you know it doesn't work you know when we I used to do AIDS activism when I was younger around AIDS when it was such an issue and we learned early on that what we called disease pitting wasn't gonna work like saying no answer needs to get more money then you know we're all in this boat together of health and you're all in this boat of motion together and we just science and technology and social responsible behavior will all lift everybody up and there's no finger pointing you know there's nobody anybody who's making an effort to make this work better is going to be part of the party you know what I mean anybody signs up for a better world so so to me it's just it's just the time to get in on it right now get in on the fun get only excitement and Ocean X is just sort of about if you love the ocean and you don't want to think about climate you want to see how beautiful it is it's a home for that if you want to see that you don't need to do anything you just want to see that the world is going to be better that's what we'll bring to people because that that's what the world is it's a beautiful place and keeping it that way through hope and thought and work is what we're all about so to me that's that's what you'll find when you come here I love that and I can't wait to see the message that are coming out in the future um love to be a part of that and looking forward to to Vincent having you back on or anybody from from Ocean X back on to to help tell those stories and then share those uh with this audience because I know we're looking we're looking for a lot of solutions that you'd love who would love to talk to you and I have to say that your you know your show is gonna is is part of the solution to this problem and having you out talking to the people that each of your audience that we talked to our audience again yeah it's part of the team of communicators to communicate the beauty and the solutions and everything about the ocean and to me you know you embody a piece of what we embody is that we all feel excited and amazed by what the ocean is and can't help but tell everybody you know absolutely yeah no I can't wait uh yeah we'll definitely team up on some more storytelling and I'm looking forward to doing that uh you know we definitely are on the same page of that so uh thank you so much Vincent for for spending time I know you you're very busy so I appreciate you taking the time and and being able to share all this new and exciting information with our audience and we look forward to hearing from you again my pleasure good to see you in thank you Vincent for joining me on today's episode of the how to protect the ocean podcast it was great to be able to hear what Ocean X is going to be doing in the future thank you for bringing that to me we really appreciate it this audience appreciates you and the staff the the work that you guys do it's amazing to see all this information coming to us it's something like a dream of a scientist to be able to say hey I'm going to take this boat and I'm going to get on it and I'm going to collect all this different information not only just for me but it's going to be for the government that's what I love about this if you if you heard Vincent talk it's not just like going to a coastline of like the Solomon Islands taking data and bringing it back to the US or North America and saying hey we were going to just do whatever we want with this data and not share with it no they're going over there and be like what data do you need to collect we can be here to collect it with you and they partner with these organizations with these countries this organization partners with these country and they say hey look we're here to help you what can we do now they're going to start to say hey what solutions do you are you looking for and how can we foster that by inspiring people business leaders or up and coming entrepreneurs to be like hey you know what do you want to solve a problem because that's what business is do you want to solve a problem let's solve a problem and what I love about this conversation it wasn't just promoting Ocean X this was about what Ocean X mission is and that is to help the ocean help us understand the ocean better help us find solutions for the ocean that's what it's giving us in the future and I can't wait for that so again Vincent thank you so much for spending time with me today with our audience today and telling us about Ocean X and its new sort of path and its new mission to bring ocean solutions to us we really appreciate and we look forward to having you back on we look forward to hearing from you and the staff of Ocean X in the future on this podcast to be able to tell us all the wonderful solutions that you find and I'm looking forward to that so folks if you love this episode and you want to hear more you get subscribed or follow however 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