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Medal of Honor Monday featuring Marine PFC Arthur Junior Jackson & Marine Captain Everett Parker Pope
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That's coming. Look, you know what time it is. It's Monday. It's the start of the second hour on Monday, so it's Medal of Honor Monday time and I warned you last week that this was going to be a double, a double whammy, a two-banger. I've been doing a bunch of different reading, I've written like three different books right now on Pella Lu. Well that's not really true. I read one, then I read another one, now I'm on my third one on Pella Lu, one of the Pacific War battles and there's just some backstory, a little expanded stuff on a couple of medals of honor that were won on Pella Lu that I wanted to talk about. Someone had a question about Vietnam, I thought was fascinating, essentially we're going to do some battlefield war, history, Medal of Honor, honoring some heroes, stuff, so buckle up and enjoy the ride. It's Medal of Honor Monday slash history hour and it might go on for a while. Now I'm going to set both of these stories up and this may take just a few. So here's kind of how it works in the Pacific War as I, you know this long time listeners are people who've read about it will understand this, but for those who don't, the high points you need to understand are this about the Pacific War, the Pacific portion of World War II, us versus the Empire of Japan, early on, you know, December 7th, 1941, and then after that for a long time, 1941, early 1942 for months and months and months and months and months. We were losing. We were getting pushed backwards. We had no wins and for Americans alive today, there are very many of these old timers still left. So for Americans alive today, we don't even understand what that's like. Now, yes, we've had obviously some, some foreign engagements where we've had setbacks here or we're losing lose a battle there or, or this guy will die here. Of course we've had loss. I'm not acting like we don't have lots, but I'm talking about another nation pushing us around America for the early part of World War II in the Pacific was pushed around Japan. It was, it was more than just Pearl Harbor. Japan took the Philippines away from us. Japan had naval superiority over the United States of America, had air superiority over the United States of America. Early World War II, early 1942, 1941 and 42, those were the years that belonged to Japan. Then battle of midway happened. We went into Guadalcanal and pushed him out of there. After that, it belonged to us. The entire rest of the war was us slowly, but surely conquering island after island after island. Really, airstrip after airstrip after airstrip, remember, it's always an airstrip war, conquering airstrip after airstrip after airstrip on our way to Japan where, as you know, we eventually dropped the bomb and we won, but that's the story of World War II in the Pacific, right? So by the time we get to Pella Lu, Pella Lu, part of the reason I've been reading Pella Lu, let me just get it out of the way now, I've been reading a lot of Pella Lu, is because I find Pella Lu to be, for a variety of different reasons, the most horrifying and heartbreaking of all the World War II Pacific battles. And I wasn't there, right? But I find it to be the worst and there are a couple different reasons why. The first one is this and we've been talking about this a lot lately when it comes to global war on terror stuff, GWOT veterans, how they're struggling right now, they're struggling because their country, their country didn't try to win their wars and their country used their sacrifice and then we pull out of Afghanistan and just throw it all away and it's hard for you. If you're one of those guys, I'll tell you it's hard for me to accept that overall it wasn't necessary, part of the reason Pella Lu is so awful, so awful to me, uniquely awful is it wasn't necessary. Look, we really had to take Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, it's horrible as Iwo Jima was, we really, we kind of had to have it, there was there was a strategic purpose for it. Okinawa, Okinawa, maybe the worst of the Pacific War battles, there was not an option. You must have Okinawa if you're the United States of America, it's right there just south of Japan. If you want to do a bombing campaign that's effective on the Empire of Japan, you must have Okinawa. By the time we invaded Pella Lu, we didn't need it anymore. We could have taken all of our troops, all those Marines and army, although this was kind of mainly one the Marines had to take on the chin, although they kind of did it to themselves. It was the one we didn't have to do and it's not as if that's me doing a 2020 in hindsight look at Pella Lu at the time. People were saying high up admirals, generals were saying, I don't think we need to go to Pella Lu even MacArthur, who you know, I don't care for it all. I do not care for dug out Doug MacArthur at all personal opinion. I do not like him. I never trust generals whose men dislike them because that tells you everything you need to know, his men didn't like him. So I don't. But even MacArthur was saying, Hey, why are you guys? Hey, Marines, Nimitz Chester Nimitz, the Admiral, why are you doing this? Well, Nimitz, who is a great man and a great emerald and an American hero, he just had it in his mind that he was doing it and momentum is a powerful thing. Now we know that. Now let's talk about this. Again, this is the Jesse Kelly show and I swear it's political, but too bad. So sad. We're doing a bunch of metal of honor. World War two, probably some Vietnam history stuff tonight because I feel like it anyway. Another reason Pella Lu seems so horrible is the environment itself sounds like a hell scape. And let me explain why Pella Lu is not really a jungle. We think of the World War two in the Pacific and we mostly think about tropical, right? It's a jungle. It's a jungle. They were fighting in the jungles. And for the most part, that was true. Not really necessarily so on Iwo Jima or or or the others, but Pella Lu. It's just a big rock. It's just a big piece of coral. And when they were doing reconnaissance of Pella Lu, they didn't really realize that because there is the thinnest layer in the world of dirt on top of a lot of that rock, the thinnest layer in the world, and then some shrubs. So from if you're on a plane looking down, you think, wow, it's another tropical island. It's not tropical. It's just coral rock. There's no water. It was a hundred and fifteen degrees and no water. The Marines who were on Pella Lu, especially the first ones, all talk about how fast they ran out of water and how thirsty they were at all times. That's brutal. But mostly the reason Pella Lu is so incredibly terrible is, well, the enemy learned. And we've talked about this before, and I'm going to get to my first citation, my old Medal of Honor citation here in a minute, but when we think about battles and talk about battles and wars, whether it be today, tomorrow, whatever, when we think about these things, we don't think about the enemy as being like us. And that's a very human thing to do. We want to dehumanize the enemy. Don't think you're a bad guy. If you do that, it's very common. That's why you use racial or ethnic slurs against whoever your opponent is. This is not an American thing. This has been done in every single war battle in the history of mankind. Why are you doing that? You're trying to make them less than men in your mind makes it easier to kill them. So if you're fighting the empire of Japan, you don't want to think about them like flesh and blood, human beings with values and minds and like you. You want to think about them like their dogs, right? So you come up with, you know, japs and nips and all kinds of racial slurs you would use to do that for you in your mind, right? But the truth is they are thinking human beings just like you. And they learn just like you learn. And we had taken all these islands from them. And the Japanese finally figured out, look, we cannot stand up to American naval gunfire. It's just like someone dropping 500 pound bombs on you. You can't stand it. We can't withstand naval gunfire. We cannot withstand American air superiority. By now we had air superiority. We were dropping bombs on them from the sky. We're dropping artillery on them, naval gun, gun, gun, gun fire. The Japanese Pella Lou was there. Their real first brand new first experimentation with this concept instead of being on this island. Let's be in it. Let's dig inside of it like rats and make them come get us. And that is going to bring us to our first Medal of Honor citation. 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That was the background of Pella Lu. Now it's time for our first one. This is the metal of honor citation of a Mr. Arthur, Jr. Jackson. And just know, honestly, the story after this one is probably even cooler than the citation itself. Honoring those who went above and beyond, it's metal of honor Monday. This is for Arthur Jr. Jackson, USMC World War II Pacific. For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving with the 3rd battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division in action against enemy Japanese forces on the island of Pella Lu in the Pella Lu group, 18th of September 1944. Boldly taking the initiative when his platoon's left flank advance was held up by the fire of Japanese troops concealed in strongly fortified positions, PFC Jackson unhesitatingly preceded forward of our lines and courageously defied the heavy barrages, charged a large pillbox, housing approximately 35 enemy soldiers, pouring his automatic fire into the opening of the fixed installation to trap the occupying troops. He hurled white phosphorus grenades and explosive charges brought up by a fellow Marine, demolishing the pillbox and killing all the enemy, advancing alone under the continuous fire from other hostile emplacements. He employed similar means to smash two smaller positions in the immediate vicinity, determined to crush the entire pocket of resistance although harassed on all sides by the shattering blasts of Japanese weapons and covered only by small rifle parties, he stormed one gun position after another, dealing death and destruction to the savagely fighting enemy in his inexorable drive against the remaining defenses and succeeded in wiping out a total of 12 pillboxes and 50 Japanese soldiers, it was closer to 100 by the way, stout-hearted and indomitable despite the terrific odds, PFC Jackson resolutely maintained control of the platoon's left flank movement throughout his valiant one-man assault and by his cool decision and relentless fighting spirit during a critical situation, contributed essentially to the complete annihilation of the enemy in the southern sector of the island. His valiant initiative and heroic conduct in the face of extreme peril reflect the highest credit upon PFC Jackson in the U.S. Naval Service. Now let me explain the rest of the story, Mr. Arthur Jr. Jackson. One thing you should know about Arthur Jr. Jackson is, and this is going to come into play here a little bit more in a moment, is he was enormous. I've heard he was 230 pounds, I've heard he was 210 pounds, however big he was, everyone knew he was huge. He was not only huge, I did to clarify before I said the next thing, he lived to be an old man with his wife and was supposed to be, I've never met him, the kindest, most humble human being in the world, but you did not want to cross Arthur Jr. Jackson because not only was he huge, he was really good at violence. The Marine Corps self-defense beating people up, learning how to stab people's stuff. Yeah, he was an expert at that. He excelled in virtually every field that involved shooting someone or beating somebody to death. That's what Arthur Jr. Jackson did, a born warrior and a monster, huge, huge. So big that when he eventually got wounded, I forget which of the books I read this in this weekend, when he eventually got wounded, his stretcher bearers who had to haul him off of the island were cussing him out the whole way because he was so heavy trying to get him off the island. That's Arthur Jr. Jackson. Now, the pill box story, it kind of tells itself. His unit was pinned down, they were being slaughtered by these guys. He didn't run the whole way like the Medal of Honor Citation makes it sound. It's actually more impressive than that. He got into the prone and remember, I just described Pella Lou. It's all coral. It's all rock. Tares up your elbows, your knees just to get down on it, let alone it being hot. He essentially low crawled almost the entire way up to the pill box. A white phosphorous grenade, not only does it create incredible heat, incredible heat if you're if you're right by it. If you get hit with any of the white phosphorous, whatever it touches is going to burn immediately. It'll burn water. You could drop one in water and it'll burn right down to the bottom. Water would not put it out, but it creates an intense amount of smoke. This dude low crawls. If he did this once, it would be unreal. All the way up to a pill box that's slaughtering his men. He's waiting the entire time on the way up to the pill box. He's looking up at it. All they have to do is look down enough and they're going to see him crawling up to it. He is not in cover. I need to stress. He is not in cover. He's in like this little depression, kind of a little path on the way up there. If they look over, he won't even, it'll be a machine gun burst in his head, it's over. He low crawls the entire way up and then just on his own figures out, hey, I've got an idea. I'm going to empty a mag into this thing. He was a B.A.R. man. Browning automatic rifle, this. That's going to come into play in just a moment. Actually, there's a really cool story about that. He was a B.A.R. man. He unloads a mag, then drops a Willy Pete in there, a white phosphorous frown in there. So the place is full of smoke. Now the Japanese in there, they can't see, they don't know what's going on. He then yanks the satchel charge, dude hands him a satchel charge that came up with him. He drops it in there, but it's on a time fuse. He has to turn now and sprint away, but he has to sprint away. Remember, if they see him still, he's dead. They're right there in the pill box, the satchel charge explodes and essentially fills his body with concrete fragments. He then goes and does it 11 more times to the all the other pill boxes, just him, just by himself. All right, now that's Jackson. Let me finish the Jackson story and then we'll get to one more and then maybe we'll do some more politics before I do other history. We'll get back to her in a little while. We're talking, we're too busy talking Pella Lou. Now let's finish the Arthur Jr. Jackson story in case you just missed it. I just did the middle of honor citation for Arthur Jr. Jackson. I'm about to do another one. If you missed any of this stuff, let's go down on the podcast. It's free to I heart Google spotify iTunes. Go enjoy. All right. Now, Arthur Jr. Jackson had another little part of his story. It didn't make it into the middle of honor citation because he didn't win one for this one. He's on Pella Lou still. Remember how I told you he's a B AR man now for you non military types. It's a big, it's a machine gun. Okay. It's a machine gun that shoots heavy rounds and shoots them fast that look, this is honestly what it sounds like. This is the sound of a bar, this is what a bar sounds like. Hi caliber, make a big old mess up you. You generally want big guys like Arthur Jr. Jackson carrying it because the weapon itself is heavy and so is the ammo. He's on Pella Lou and part of the reason Pella Lou got so horrible was the Japanese member how I was talking about how they learned and they dug in. Well, it was all just a big network of caves and spider holes that they had created for themselves. So these guys would pop up out of nowhere for Japanese guys pop up directly in front of Arthur Jr. Jackson and he didn't even know they were there. Now according to the stories and I've read a few different things and I listened to a podcast on it, he didn't think or someone didn't think they knew he was there either. They essentially surprised each other, but either way, he's alone for Japanese troops in front of him. Jackson pulls out the B AR unloads immediately on them. Three of them go down right away. Apparently he just turned these guys in immense meat with the B AR. But then I again, you get different versions of it depending on what you read, either the mag was empty or the weapon jammed or something, but no more shooting. Now you've got three dead. There's a fourth guy there, fourth dude attacks him. Jackson was not the man to attack and this is a Japanese dude. He was not very big. Jackson, he said later on, he said this is a physical encounter where he grabs the Japanese guy off of his back, chucks him on the ground and beats him to death with his B AR. And Jackson talking about it later said poor little guy didn't stand a chance. That is a stud right there. Arthur Jr. Jackson lived in, I believe it was Florida for the rest of his days. That's a great man. All right. Now that's one. There's probably a little darker, but it's all dark and I realized that wasn't exactly light. We're talking about war and combat and things like that, but this one, look, he lives, but there's more to this story. So without further ado, let's do our second one today and then I'll give you a little bit more background on it. A Mr. Everett Parker Pope for conspicuous gallantry in intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as commanding officer of company C, First Battalion, First Marine's First Marine Division during action against enemy Japanese forces on Pella Lu Island, Palau Group on the 19th of September through the 20th of September, 1944. So in case you're keeping track, this is the day after Jackson earned his Medal of Honor. Subjected to point blank cannon fire, which caused heavy casualties and badly disorganized his company while assaulting a steep coral hill, Captain Pope rallied his men and gallantly led them to the summit in the face of machine gun mortar and sniper fire, forced by widespread hostile attack to deploy the remnants of his company thinly in order to hold the ground one. And with his machine guns out of order and insufficient water and ammunition, he remained on the exposed hill with 12 men will get back to that in a minute and one wounded officer with determined to hold through the night, attacked continuously with grenades, machine guns and rifles from three sides, he and his valiant men fiercely beat back or destroyed the enemy resorting to hand-to-hand combat as the supply of ammunition dwindled and still maintaining his lines with his eight remaining riflemen when daylight brought more deadly fire and he was ordered to withdraw. His valiant leadership against devastating odds while protecting the units below from heavy Japanese attack reflects the highest credit upon Captain Pope in the U.S. Naval Service and now let's dig into Pella Lu a little bit more because there is something about Pella Lu you should understand very again. I would encourage you to go read something on Pella Lu books on tape or fine, Chris or look, he go watch a documentary on it. I haven't looked. I bet you there's a thousand on YouTube on there. I believe I've seen other ones floating around there are always there's someone's always done a documentary go learn about Pella Lu terrible, terrible thing, but when you start reading about it learning about it, you will you will undoubtedly hear bloody nose ridge. You will hear that term bloody nose ridge and this is going to come back to Pope in what his men did and just stories you just can't imagine stories you've never heard of before, but bloody nose ridge, I know you're going to find the shocking was a ridge a ridge of coral again all hardened coral and it was a ridge the Japanese that's where they had made their caves and made their tunnels it was their fortress and you couldn't blow them out of there with naval gunfire with artillery. You have to go get them out now what was happening here with Parker Pope and his first marine division allow me to explain the first marine division going into Pella Lu. Many people say and obviously I'm very partial to the Marines so I don't know whether or not this is true, but I certainly nodded my head and say, Oh yeah, that's definitely true. Many people say this was the finest fighting division on on the planet at this time. We're talking Germans, Russian, Japanese, Americans, you want one infantry division to go fight for you. It would be the first marine division because of the things they had done. The reason Pella Lu was so horrible is the first marine division got destroyed. The Marines and look, they have to own it. The Marines, the commanders, Nimitz has to own it too. They took the finest division on the planet and they completely decimated it because they threw it against these defenses that could not be broken in that way. Now with Pope and his men, the reason we kept citing how many men he had is you have to understand this. Again, there's the ridge there. You understand this about combat. It doesn't matter whether you're a 12 year old listening to my show or 97. Everyone understands this about combat. You have to have the high ground. You want the high ground. You want to be able to shoot down, throw down. You don't want to attack up ever, ever. You want to attack down. That is a basic thing. Everyone knows that. They exactly need to go to West Point to know high ground, high ground, high ground. Well, bloody nose ridge was not only the place with all the Japanese caves and tunnels and fortifications. It was the high ground. So no matter what, you had to take it and even getting up to the ridge, Pope and his men, Charlie company, it doesn't, I'm just going to call him Charlie company because that's, that's what it was called when I was in the Marine Corps, Charlie company. Pope is the commanding officer. They are given orders. They have to get up and establish a foothold on this hill. They're at the base of it. They believe it's a hill, a hilltop. He needs the Marine Corps, the first Marine Division, the America. They need Pope and his men to get to the top of this hill and hold this hill, except there's a problem. The Japanese understand that people are going to be taking this hill and it's not a grassy hill. It's a cliff. One you have to climb as if it's a cliff and believe me, I'm just starting on the story of Pope and Charlie company and heroes and things people have gone through to protect this country because I feel like I don't want to talk about politics right now. I'll get to that next hour. I will continue that in just a moment before we continue that. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about our own ways we are trying to save the country are very, very small ways compared to men like this, right? 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You're going to have to go download a podcast to get caught up. We're in the middle of Pella Lou Everett Parker Pope company commander Charlie company. He's tried. He's been told he said they're they're they're trying to get up on top of this hill and he And so the men of Charlie company begin to climb. They're climbing. They're rock climbing up the Japanese are not only on top. They're also built into the sides of the hill when I say built in meaning if there's enough room for one of these guys to wedge himself on to the hill. He will simply hide there with the box of grenades in a gun and drop grenades on the Marines as they're coming up. There's a famous story. In fact, there are multiple stories like this. And this isn't the last time you're going to hear this of a Marine tripping on one on the way up. He didn't even know he was there. He looks down and it's it's a Japanese soldier. And I guess he was a bigger Marine. We don't know his name to this day. He reaches down and snatches him up and just chucks him off the cliff and all the guys down below are cheering. Yeah, look at a fly that this is the story of Pella Lou. I'm telling you, this is why I go crazy when I hear about Hollywood not having any ideas. Hollywood call me. Are you kidding me? Not any ideas. You can make an entire movie about just this part of Pella Lou. So Pope's men are climbing and they're dying. I want you to know fast forward to the end of this. I told I told you about the first Marine Division. I want you to know by the time Pella Lou's done. Three fours of them gone casualties that the wipe out and Pope's company is being wiped out by the time his men get to the top. Well, you heard it's 12 men. It's 13. It's 14. The numbers kind of go back and forth. But he gets to the top of this quote he'll he's supposed to take. And the reason I use the words reason I did the quote thing there is Hill and his men discover once they get to the top of the hill that they're actually not on a hill at all. They're on the tip of the ridge, the ridge, the Japanese have complete control of. So after getting to the top, his completely decimated unit is now facing the entirety of the Japanese army built into Pella Lou and he's not allowed to leave and he can't dig in back to what we were talking about. It's coral. You can't dig in it. They can't and they can't sit in blast out holes. They don't they don't even have communication with headquarters anymore. He's lost that. Now I want you to imagine this speaking of Hollywood, what I'm about to describe is real. What happened? Pope and his men. They got into whatever depressions they could find. There weren't many of them as you heard. They couldn't. They couldn't really dig in well, but they got in where they could. And they understood that the Japanese were going to counter attack to run them off that hill and they understood that the Japanese love to attack at night. They knew this well by now. They would attack with bayonets with samurai swords. They're going to come for you in the night. They are and they're going to sneak in and they're happy to die doing it. And so Pope and his men lay out on this hill when they all believe they're about to die and they said all of their that they were clips because it was M1 grand, but they said all their little, all their ammo, all their grenades, they didn't have many left. They collected rocks to throw rocks to throw. And they watched as the sun began to go down and they knew it was coming. And as they were laying there, they were hearing enough in front of them that they believed that they had some people getting ready to get on top of them. They get some naval flares overhead. Flares get launched overhead. Tell me this isn't out of the movies. And as soon as the flares light up in front of them, they see a sea of Japanese bodies low crawling towards their position. And then it's on all night long, hand to hand combat grenades by now you learn that you didn't shoot when you heard someone in front of you because that gives away your position. You threw grenades. You threw rocks, Pope himself with a with a fellow Marine had a couple of Japanese guys drop into whatever makeshift fighting hole he had hand to hand combat ensued. They overcame them and won. And this this took place the entire night once they defeated the two Japanese troops who dropped into their hole. There wasn't room for everyone up there again. They were on a cliff. They just kept grabbing the dead Japanese and chucking them off the end of the cliff after they killed them in the middle of the night. An entire night hand fighting with Japanese troops. That is Pope. That is what people have gone through for your country and my country. They barely survived had no ammunition. They were well aware by now of what the Japanese troops would do if they were taken alive. Pope had a pistol on him as well as his rifle. Pope was down to the last round in his pistol and said I could have fired it many times. But that last one in the chamber was for me if they finally got to me. They barely got off the top of that ridge alive. And from there I mean the first Marine Division for lack of better way to put it was no more. They had to go essentially retired to the rear and took so much time to rebuild them into a fighting force and we didn't even have to be there. And Pella Lou is such a horrible horrible place. If you're not a reader or you don't want to do an audio book or whatnot and maybe you're just more of a hey I like to watch TV type person. It's been a while since I've seen it. But you know that HBO series hell in the or no not hell in the Pacific. The Pacific. I about called not hell in the Pacific. It's just called the Pacific. It's a quote fiction series with actors but it is actually made based off in large part Eugene Sledge E.B. Sledge's book. He wrote a book called with the old breed and Pella Lou was the first action he saw in Pella Lou. So if you watch the Pacific it's an extremely realistic reenactment of the various things Eugene Sledge and his men went through on Pella Lou. If you want to understand what the environment was like and the rocks and the hills and the crags and and if you want to understand how and why that place just absolutely shattered men and broke men you could watch the Pacific. I should note I'm sorry little dad note here not for the kids not not for little kids for sure the Pacific it's been a while but I know look it's it's salty and raw it's Marines the language is bad the violence is bad there may even be some little Kamala stuff in there I don't know but maybe probably not for the kids but something worth watching all right. 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