Hello and welcome to episode 92 of The Pan-Adict. My name is Mike Hurley. The Pan-Adict is a weekly show where we discuss pens, paper and the analog tools that we love so dearly. And I am joined as I am every week by the dignitary of DONE paper, Mr. Brad Daddy. Well done, sir. How are you today? I am very well. How are you? Good, good. So you are all refreshed and ready to go. We have a little side trip, pushed us back until Thursday, but I know you missed me on Tuesday, didn't you? Always, always. I was looking at my fountain pens all sad, you know? You made y'all teary-eyed. Brad is Brad. It feels funny when we don't record on Tuesdays. I feel like I don't know what the other week it is right now. I know. I totally lose track. I totally lose track. But anyway, we are here. We have a good episode planned out for you today. We got a few items of feedback I just wanted to touch on and actually not even feedback or follow-up, but new products that I wanted to talk about. And as you mentioned in the intro, DONE paper is on my radar with a pretty sweet new product. It's called the Winter Session Plus DONE paper 3-hole binder pouch. Now, if you're not looking at it and you're just going off by the name, you're like, what is he possibly talking about? But Chad DONE has started, I guess, last year when he kind of revitalized his product lineup, he introduced a binder and loose-leaf sheets for his DONE paper line, right? And he has come along now with another combination or-- Collaboration. Collaboration, yes. That's the word I'm looking for. Thank you. I'm looking for, thank you. Like the Topo Designs bag that he did that I own, which I still use every day, it's my favorite bag, I don't know, maybe ever. Topo Designs, DONE paper, Mountain Briefcase, he's come out with collaboration with Winter Session, which he also did his pinholsters and the leather, leather, leather memo book covers. So this binder pouch, what it does, it's like back in your elementary school days, you used to have your 3-ring binder, and then everyone had that janky little, it's almost a zip-lock looking, clear little pouch that you'd hook into your 3-ring binder. Well, this is taking it up to the adult level, to say the least. This is a super nice, it's like a wax cotton pouch. It's beautiful. I have no use for the 3-ring binder aspect of it, but I don't know how I might just have to order it because I think it's cool, and Chad's collaborations are always awesome. I don't know exactly what I'd use it for, other than just mass storage of stuff, but it's really beautiful, and it just kind of caught me off guard the other day on Instagram, is where I found it, and it had been out for a little bit. And yeah, it looks good, so check it out if you're reliving your school days with your 3-ring binder. You carry a 3-ring binder every day, right? Yeah. Or a trap or keeper. Always, under my arm at all times. Yeah, is that a my little pony, trap or keeper? Of course, we have little ribbons and stuff. Okay, cool. Well done. Well done. Another new item that I got all kinds of tweets and emails on, and maybe I shouldn't let you pronounce this, or we need to get Federico Vitticci on to pronounce this, but I'm going to I'm going to go for it. Okay. It's the Pininfarina conviano, Inkless Pin. How did I do? That will do, I think. Yeah. You didn't sound impressed. It's pretty much there, I think. I think that was pretty much it. That's a for a for a tough name. It's a it's an awfully beautiful pin, but what it is, it's it's an Inkless Pin. Like I've reviewed in the past. I've reviewed one from Jack Zagori called the Beta Inkless Pin. And it's basically, it's just a metal tip pin that leaves a line like a pencil. So it doesn't require sharpening or anything like that, but it leaves kind of like a pencil line. It's made to never dull. It's not a sharp line. It's like a rounded tip, but there's no gosh, what do you call it? There's there's there's no breakdown of the tip at all. It doesn't wear in any way. Yeah, it doesn't wear at all. And a bunch of people sent me this. And this is the first, the ones I've seen in the past and the one I review are very, what would you call very industrial, like not real, not awesome design, just real basic design. This one is fancy. I mean, it's got like a wooden, I don't know, it's like an aluminum casing with a round of like wood in the middle and just the like little small conical tip for the the Inkless part. I wish they wouldn't. It's really more of a graphite-less pencil than an Inkless Pin. Yeah, but that doesn't sound as good. I guess is the Inkless Pin does, right? Yeah, a bunch of people sent me this as well. And I remember I responded to one person about it and said, you know, they were like, oh, this must be right up your street because pin in for Ena, they also, they they're most well known I think these days for their contributions to Ferrari. Okay, I didn't know that. They helped design some Ferraris. But they, so people said, are you going to love this? I was like, well, it actually doesn't have a lot of, it will not have a lot of the qualities that I love in a pen. Most of the things that I love in a pen, you will not get from this. Like the way the pen feels the right ink stuff, you know, all of that, without greatness, you, you won't get any of that. Yeah, so I haven't, haven't used something, a similar product before. It's, it's really performs like a pencil and feels like a pencil. And the line is, it's not very dark. We'll put a link in the show notes to my old review and you can kind of see what an Inkless Pin looks like on the paper. It's a wide line. It's not very deep. It's not something that I ever latched on to. And actually, looking back at my review now, there was actually, I got two of them. I got like a full-sized pen and then I got like a little mini Inkless Pin. That one's actually more convenient because that's something you can throw in a car or throw in a backpack and, you know, and Kate kind of goes along with the topic we're going to talk about today, which is everyday carry pens. It's the kind of pen that you never have to worry about as long as you keep track of it. If you're getting any type of situation, you're always going to have something to write with. You know, you don't have to worry about your ink refill, freezing or running out of lead in a pencil, but it's not the most awesome writing experience. It's more of a utilitarian type of thing and kind of an as needed. But yeah, this, this pen and Farina is, is very beautiful. The only thing they don't have is a price and open up their press release and they don't list the price in that either. Because you probably can't buy it. And if you can't buy it, you can't afford it. Yeah, I can't imagine this is going to be. I think it's one of those scenarios that the fact that you're looking for a price tells you that you actually can't buy this pen. Yeah, maybe it just comes with the purchase of a Ferrari if with their. Do you know what it probably does? Or just any any because they design cars for a bunch of people, but they're probably the most, most well known for their Ferrari work. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I don't like it personally. So it just looks like writing a really, really expensive pencil, which I don't get. Yeah. Well, I like the design, but I just. Oh, yeah, fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, I would just never have a use for it. I didn't, I don't have a use for the old ones that I have. Really, because I, when you have every other writing option under the sun, this isn't going to beat any of them, right? Exactly. So. So I've gone off the deep end. I think I alluded to, I don't know, last week or a couple of weeks before about my ink problem that I'm, that I'm in the midst of my ink. Gosh, I don't know what it is. I'm awakening a wink. Awakening. Oh, a winkening. A winkening. The call of the limited edition is I'm bad about that kind of stuff, apparently. I think that's such a bad idea to buy a limited edition ink. Oh, yeah. I know it is. Because if you love it, we've gone. That's exactly right. Bad idea, buddy. It's a fatal flaw in the, in the whole thought process, but that didn't stop me from spending way too much money on four bottles of sailor ink. And I mentioned, I think I did mention it a couple of weeks ago that I bought them from Aesthetic Bay out of Singapore. Well, I got the first review up. It's called, it was a sailor, gentle, limited edition, autumn, 2010, Okuyama. It's a maroon ink. It's very pretty. I just, there's something in it that I love about the fact that you love a gentle sailor. Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, a sailor is always at the top of my wish list, Mike. That's one of the best show titles we've ever had back in the day. And yes, I love a gentle sailor. And this ink is actually shockingly good, which I'm glad because it cost me a fortune. But it's weird. My large written review didn't come out very well. I probably need to start scanning some of my ink reviews to see if I can get a better color. That would actually be a really good use for your doxy. Yeah, I know. I need to do that. And it would be, I don't know, I just need to try it to see if it'll come out better. But you can tell pretty much how the ink is. It's kind of a medium maroon. It's not too dark. It's not too light. It's not too pink. It's not too purple. It's just a real solid color. It behaves extremely well. And then the dry time on it, when I did like the little dry time ink test, it didn't smear at all. Like in five seconds on rodeo paper, there was no smudging. So I need to, I need to double check my sanity on that. I was like, did I do this right? And apparently I did because it didn't smudge on any of the ink test. And that was the most impressive thing about it. What's the one, two, three about? What do you call it? That's how many times I've written over itself. What's the word for it? So one pass, two pass, three pass. So one pass of ink, then pass it in over itself again twice, then three times. So just to show the darkness of the ink, if it goes over itself. Beautiful color. Yeah. And then on the Instagram picture, which actually probably shows the color better, which I put at the bottom, you can kind of barely make it out. There's like a little bit of a green sheen on it. Like a lot of blue inks, especially brighter blues, you'll see a red sheen on it on some of these red inks. You get a green sheen out of it and you can barely kind of see it in the, in the other picture, which that was on, that was the top picture was with my normal camera, a nice, you know, Panasonic, you know, point and shoot, nice, decent camera, and the bottom one is with my iPhone and on an off white Hobonichi paper. And that picture actually came out, showed the color better, I think. And that was a, that was a sneak shot of my new fire and ice, Franklin Christoff model 40 pocket, which is pretty awesome. So jealous. I just won't buy it because I'm still too scared about doing the strange feeling thing. Yeah, it's actually pretty normal. I know. I was, I was scared. I was pretty scared. But anyway, back to these inks. I got four of these bottles. So this was the first review I did and I have another one coming up soon and I'm gonna keep going through these and we'll see if you use so far of them. No, I've only used two of them so far. And this one, I've still got inked up. I love, I'm very happy with this and I've been using this ink at work and, and things like that. This one I will definitely use. The other one is really awesome, but I think there's something else that's almost identical to it. So it may not be worth it in the end. So that's a, that's a teaser. You'll just have to wait for the review of that one. So this one, I'm happy with the purchase worth the money. The second bottle that I tested, it's completely awesome. It just may not be worth the money because you can do just as well elsewhere if you will. So we'll leave that tease for you. Sounds good. Yes, sir. 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Yeah, because I know that you're upset when that got taken away. I think they just, I think they had a blog post about it, they would have just been working on it and they finally got away to do it properly and eat real life. Yeah, well, what the issue was is a lot of people, myself included, wanted to get away from a feed burner, right, because with all the Google just hacking products away, left and right, you know, we were scared to leave our feeds over there. And so I just, at one point, I cut it over to Squarespace, but that can never tell how many subscribers I had. That kind of had a general idea, just doing some back of the napkin math calculations, but now I've got it, got it on lockdown, so it's perfect. It works out well. I got a question for you. This is unrelated to pens. And just hearing you do the Squarespace ad, I think that was like maybe your best ad read ever. Oh, thank you. And, you know, I heard you talking with Lex Friedman, I don't know, a week or two ago, and you know, we're talking about how Lex does the, you know, he's done his own podcasting advertising company. You need to do your own podcasting advertising read company. Oh, this is all proprietary software, my friend. Yeah. I can know. Do you have a billy mazes? No. Have you ever heard that name? All right. In the US, he was like the king of the infomercial. And with him, infomercial is a lot of times a derogatory term, right, and it's just kind of junk and janky. But with him, he just like, he just owned it. You like heard this guy's voice and you knew that this was billy maze and it was awesome. It was going to be awesome. And he just had this whole thing. He died too soon. But you're like the billy maze of the podcast ad read where you read, you read the ad and everyone knows that's a Mike Hurley ad right there. That was it for me. Sorry. I've totally gotten this off off the rails, but back on the rails, I want to talk about the pin blog of the week. I feel like we need to, we need the, we need music for that. It's the pin blog of the week that works. This week, I want to talk about my good friend, a good online friend, Miss Mary Collis from the pin cup. She is, do you ever talk to people online, Mike, that you have never met in person, but you just know, like through, through the internet and by how they handle themselves, that they are just legitimately nice people and yeah, yeah, I can just tell from my, all my interactions with Mary over the years that Mary just seems like legitimately awesome. She just seems very cool, very nice, very down to earth. You know, she's always, she's always got energy, you know, when she's talking about pins and everything else. So I want y'all to go check out from the pin cup if you don't already. She does extremely put me to shame thorough interviews, excuse me, reviews with awesome pictures, incredible handwriting and just real thorough refills on all kinds of pins. She's been doing this for a couple years now. I remember when she first started, she was emailing me, but I guess it's been a couple years now that her blog's been out there. It's a must read for me, she does such an amazing job on every single, she never phones in a review. I will give her that she's, it's just loaded with pictures, with details, with handwriting examples and y'all should definitely go check her out. So if you're not aware of her blog, we will have it in the show notes and you should check it out in awesome job Mary. So y'all definitely check it out because I don't miss it when she posts. I love her posts. Perfect. All right. So we've got a, we have a topic that actually when I thought about doing this topic about everyday carry pins, I kind of had to go back through. I was like, have we ever done a show where we just like dedicated a full segment for everyday carry? I know we've talked about it off and on constantly over the years, but never, I don't know that I've ever dedicated any like huge amount of time to it. And what prompted that was I was on a podcast this past weekend called gear geeks live. And now it's with my friend Tony skull and brain. He writes the everyday commentary blog and he is a big everyday carry guy. He reviews knives and flashlights and of course pins and, and in other things that, you know, a lot of people who are really into this everyday carry thing get into and it's an awesome read and he's a real good guy and he asked me to come on with a couple of his friends that he does the podcast with. So I got to think and they were quizzing me kind of about some everyday carry pins and some things that I liked and some things that I carry. So I thought that would make a good topic here because I actually find that talking with Tony and his friends on gear geeks that their definition of everyday carry pins is one thing. And then the listeners are in readers of the pan addict their definition of everyday carry is not completely different but it's definitely different than the guys like on gear geeks and that and then that submit to like every day carry.com. I'll put that in the show notes Mike there's a site called everyday dash carry.com that's been around forever and a guy named Bernard started it and I used to talk to Bernard all the time when he started his blog and he kind of went on hiatus while he was in school but it's back now and so everyone should check that out too for some cool EDC suggestions but when I think of everyday carry pin I think of like a singular pin that I can leave the house with throw it in my pocket that's going to be durable it's not going to break it's not going to pop open it's not going to leak ink all over me when I take it out to use it it's going to work immediately without any issue and a lot of times you know some of the products might have a multiple use so the definition of everyday carry pin that's kind of what I think but you know some people don't take it too far some people just simply say well this is the pin I want to write with today and this is the pin I use primarily so I'm going to take it with me and that's a completely valid like everyday carry aspect and you know looking at how the guys that are into the traditional EDC world which is you know the knives the flashlights the pins everything you carry in a pocket pocket dumps all those things that you know all these guys are into they're looking for like a more serious almost like a tactile pin a tactical pin excuse me where you know it's metal for the durability and you know the the refills are like a Fisher space pin refill where it can write anywhere which is and you know a great quality for a pin and it also a lot of times the looks are very important to where you know the stainless steel color has to match you know they're their knife handle and their flashlight color and things like that when they're just putting this whole kind of kit together to whereas you know our listeners are not necessarily looking for that level of everyday carry product they're looking for more the functionality of the pin you know with when I was talking to our listeners on Twitter this morning I wanted to hear everyone's everyday carry suggestions and it's really more of a writing experience choice as opposed to a pure functionality choice I guess for everyday carry is that my making sense when I'm I'm trying to explain the slight differences between how kind of these two two groups are looking at the this everyday carry thing yeah so what do you so I guess depending on how you perceive the question do you see something as a utility type pen as in that's the everyday carry or do you see it as what pen do you like to use everyday right that's the difference right and you know and some of them you know there's there's several pins that kind of combine the two very well but there's a lot of times if you're going for the utility side of thing you give up necessarily the beautiful writing experience right and if you go for the great writing pen you might give up some of the say durability of you know the utility side of side of the ledger so you know I've got a I've got a bunch of pins here a lot of them that kind of lean towards the utility side that the durability and the functionality and just you know the pure just structure of the pin that's going to take a beating and you're still going to be able to write with it and you can throw it in a pocket or a car or a backpack and never have to worry about it so I have a bunch of suggestions here and most of these are really popular pins that people have talked about a lot over the years but they're really popular with the everyday carry community probably the single most popular pin and a lot and a pin that probably a lot of pin attic readers have because it's it's very reasonably priced and it's easy to find it's the zebra F701 this I think between it and the second item on my list which is the Fisher space pin those are the two single most popular pins you see when you hear people talking about just traditional everyday carry the zebra F701 is I think it's only about seven or eight dollars and it's a fully stainless steel barrel with a knurled grip it's got a retractable retractable cartridge so you know deployment pin deployment of an everyday carry pin is a key right a lot of people don't want an everyday carry pin with a cap because they'll lose it you know if they're out and about you know especially if you're working outside you know like in you know landscaping or any kind of outdoor work or job site you don't want two parts to your pen but you don't want some plastic barrel pin that's gonna snap and crack every time you set it down or get stomped on I mean this zebra F701 could probably get run over by a truck and you'd be okay man it's got a retractable mechanism the thing that people do with this F701 it's interestingly not very compatible with other inquiry fills and the inquiry fill isn't awesome for this one it's good it's definitely usable but there's pages and pages and pages on everyday carry forums about hacking the zebra F701 it's probably the single number one most popular everyday carry pin that you'll see and if you haven't checked it out you know if you're not familiar with the zebra F701 I mean they're available at Walmart like my local Walmart carries this pen it's very common you don't have to look too hard to find it and it's definitely worth owning one to at least just throw it in your car your backpack and you'll have it it can withstand pretty much everything you throw at it the one thing it doesn't have what this next item have has is the Fisher's Space Pen it has the refill the Fisher Space Pen is so popular strictly because of the refill this is my this is my pick for everyday carry by the way okay so you have you have the field notes version yep which that model is the base model Fisher Space Pen that actually everyone's familiar with that's when you see Fisher Space Pen the model you have is the model I always think of it's just the straight bullet design where it uncaps kind of from the middle and you post it right on the end it makes more of a full-size pen to write with it's an amazing pen and why it's so good is the refill it doesn't write spectacularly he doesn't write like a jet stream it's a ball point same with the zebra f701 I didn't mention that it's a ballpoint refill and a lot of you'll find a lot of these everyday carry pins are ballpoints just for durability reasons they they'll tend to not clog up and as have as many writing issues as you know a roller ball or a gel ink pen well with the Fisher Space Pen so good because it's essentially I call it a right anywhere pen I mean it can write on wood it can write in on you know dirty paper that you've left out in the dirt and you know not get all kind of junk up in the pen it can write upside down it can write you know like if you're marking on walls or something like if you're in construction or building you can use this pen just to kind of mark up anything and that's that's the huge selling point about the pen and with the way the pressurized refill works that ink's just gonna come out as soon as you start writing and it's not real messy it's not you know an elite writing experience I actually prefer and a lot of people prefer the fine refills over the medium refills that come with the space pen so that's obviously a hugely popular one what I recommended for the guys on the gear geeks live podcast were two other pens that are a little higher in the price point but from a durability aspect they're amazing one is the county comm embassy pen which I've talked about several times on the podcast that's kind of my traveling pen it's loaded with the fine blue Fisher Space Pen refill it fits those Parker style refills which is what the Fisher Space Pen is what it has and then it's got a little cap that you can put on the back of the barrel so it fits right I have the black aluminum aluminum aluminum county comm embassy pen I've had it for about three years now and I still carry it constantly it's too much knurling for me yeah but it's not over the place it's not rough at all it's a very smooth yeah just from a design standpoint yeah from a design standpoint well in the hand it feels pretty awesome it's a very weighty pen yeah you do know where it's at like it's actually too heavy for say like a front shirt pocket carry you know that's one thing to consider we're like the zebra F701 it's not overly heavy the county comm embassy pen is so like if you clipped it to your pocket like in your front shirt it's gonna kind of sag so not everyone wants that so the second one I recommended kind of solves that problem is the max mad code retractable this is one of those few pens that wasn't on my radar that knocked my socks off when I was able to review it I still haven't purchased my own I borrowed this one from someone I have to get one of these pens it's extraordinarily well made it's about half the weight of the embassy pen just I'm that's just guessing it's a much more lightweight pen but it's still it's still a very durable I think it's aluminum barrel too or is it titanium I think it's aluminum but it's a bolt unlike unlike people don't like the county comm it's a sodium sorry yeah yeah so people don't like the county comm because it's a capped pen it's not retractable the max mad co is it uses a bolt mechanism and whoo it's it's stellar I need to I need to go ahead and put my money down for this one because it's it's it's just beautifully made it's slim but it's full sized and it's lightweight but it's durable it's kind of got I don't know it's got everything going for it the retractable mechanism the bolt is very sleek so it doesn't it's not grabbing into pockets I don't like large bolt action pens where the the bolt sticks way out and can you know grab your pants pocket or your shirt pocket or get in the way of your hand when you're writing so this is a super amazing pen and I need to put that on my shopping list because I keep forgetting to buy it because I really need it I just want to point out that all of these pens Brad's reviews for all of them and you can find a list of them in our show notes for this episode which you can find at 5x5.tv/panadex/92 now those two pens replace this next pen on my list because I was like crazy this just looks crazy this pen to me do you not do you not own a Tombow air press no no okay now for some reason I was thinking at some point you got one so the Tombow air press is a pen I've had for a while I've actually gone through one or two of them two different ones it's like the Fisher space pen in that it's a pressurized inquiry fill but it comes with a really really nice built-in clip and it's retractable so it's kind of got those things that the Fisher space pen doesn't the Fisher space pen is just like a smooth bullet there's you can buy a clip but it's an add-on so it moves around and it's not retractable although there's a couple retractable space pen barrels you can get but they're not as nice as the as the regular bullet the Tombow air press kind of encompasses all that into one into one nice package and I've carried this pen for years on my car because it can withstand just like the Fisher space pen it withstand the heat and cold changes in your car and you you know click the pen and you just start writing with it and it's going to work so it's a very very good pen for just an everyday carry just kind of a stash it and forget it pen if you will like if you need a pen in certain situations like a car that you know you don't know what the conditions are always going to be that's a great place to have something like a Tombow air press you know it's not something I use for everyday writing but it's something I use for everyday utility if you will it's there if I need it and I know it's going to work so those are kind of my main traditional everyday carry pens so you know what as good as of utility as those pens are they're not necessarily the best writing experience so I look at something like if I had to pick just like the pen I actually carry the most just on its own just like if I'm going out to the store and you know I'm just taking you know my keys in my wallet and you know maybe a notebook and a pen I'm probably taking the secure picture of a micron now that's not what people would think of as a traditional everyday carry pen it's certainly not great for outdoor environments with the plastic tip it's not going to work very well but it's cheap enough to where I can replace it it writes well it's got pigmented ink so I know if I have to you know sign a document or whatever sign a receipt I know my signature is going to be really good so that's kind of mine and either the secure pig or micron or any of the various uniball jet streams those are kind of my two basic everyday carry pens if you will that I know we're going to work good they don't necessarily have the full functionality of something like a Fisher space pen refill but they're cheap enough to where if they break down or I lose them or the barrel breaks that I can replace them I mean do you have do you have a pen that you carry like beside say I know you carry the Fisher space pen do you just have another pen like not a fountain pen that you just kind of pick up and carry you know when you're just going somewhere or use for anything um I mean I always have a retro 51 in my backpack mm-hmm just because I know that it's always going to be good but yeah I wouldn't like consider that and everyday carry right in any way I don't know that I necessarily would either that's one that I always have that's more on the utility sorry the the field than utility yeah even the Fisher space pen I actually don't carry that around every day anymore because I I kind of just have both of my my pens in my passion but glad to and I use that every time how's that you so you're still carrying that it's been working out well for you every day that's awesome and I use it more as well like I've been traveling recently and so like I've had somewhere to put my documents and stuff because you as those plastic wallets mm-hmm so I put my documents in the plastic wallets so where I keep my iPad has my iPad on me all the time and I'm currently carrying around um the Twizzby the m- uh diamond mini and I'm also carrying around the uh Caris customs ink because dudek and also so even so dudek had sent me a bunch of uh DMs as you know to tell me like look just do it do it take it around take it around and I'll still be like oh and then a damn Bishop emailed me and he was like just do it I was like sorry Dan it was kind of he didn't really said it was towards that effect and just kind of look he's gonna get another one soon take it out with you he'll get over it type thing so I've been carrying it around and I love it by the way I'm really really enjoying it I'm like it's a great pen very cool so I threw in a couple other things that I do carry from time to time um on the pencil side of the ledger the the Rotoring 600 which is just the classic all-time great engineering metal barrel uh pencil with the neural grip I think that's an awesome everyday carry pencil and on the fountain pen side and I think you're gonna see this coming up in the in the vast comments that I've gotten from our Twitter followers the Kaveco AL sport I think is probably the single top everyday carry type fountain pen you know it's got that aluminum barrel it's got the real tight threading on the barrel so you can throw this pen in your pocket and you're not worried about it coming apart and ain't getting everywhere um it posts well when you take the cap off it writes amazingly the Kaveco nibs are always outstanding um for me so the AL sport is probably that in the vanishing pointer probably the number one everyday carry fountain pens I would think I have two things personally the way that I consider it everyday carry I don't think any fountain pen fits it yeah I agree with you in the in the traditional sense of the word that's why I've kind of set it down here at the bottom as an afterthought almost right my problem with the Kaveco the Kaveco is the clip situation because I think in everyday carry pen should have a clip so you can get it to something but I have found the clips that you add to be um to not be very reliable like I had a clip I had a clip on mine and it just comes off yep that's no use what's the point agreed completely but I actually like carry I just throw this pen in my in like in my jeans pocket I and I've carried in my shorts pocket I I have no problem carrying this one in the pocket but I do agree with your sentiment that a traditional everyday carry pen like in the traditional classification probably should have a clip because you want to be able to attach it to things and not just you know your shirt pocket or your pants pocket something like that so yeah I am with you on that but from a lot of the pen addicts perspective these are the types of things they're carrying and I just wanted to show the different answers that we get when you're talking to the different groups say the the traditional everyday carry you know pen pocket knife flashlight those that type of carry is looking for one type of pen and then the people that listen to our podcast and read the pen addict have a lot of different things like and for some reason I didn't think about this even when I wrote down rotoring 600 I asked this morning before I went to bed you know I said but hey we're doing everyday carry podcast what is everyone carry what's your everyday carry pen just to kind of get a kind of get a gauge on the community what they carry I mean the first word from a very first response I got from Julian Kay he's been a follower for a long time he's a country made of yours kuratoga I like that didn't even register on me and then that came up a bunch a bunch of other times in the in the same conference conversation one of them call it God's pencil the kuratoga Josh Berkowitz on Twitter the kuratoga came up over and over and over again I was like I didn't even consider that one for some reason I don't know if it's the barrel there are certain ways that this is a perfect everyday carry yep genuinely like because pencils right on more soft surfaces yeah I know I totally agree with it I'm just a for some reason I personally overlooked that yeah I wouldn't have thought of it I wouldn't have thought of it either but it is a it's a perfect choice because it's also extremely durable because it's just plastic and it's like kind of hollow mm-hmm yeah it's a really really good choice actually yeah it's the only thing is with it being a mechanical pencil the lead is thin and too much abrasion could break the lead yep I think that could be your only problem and then if it breaks obviously too much it becomes frustrating to write with right you know and aside from the kaviko al sports there is lots of calls for the classic and the sport you know the plastic barrel same design plastic barrel which I can I can understand um there was a few um pallet high-tech sees which I think that's a terrible everyday carry pin just I mean the side the side the fact that it's one of my personal all time favorite pins it is way too finicky to be taken out and about and writing anywhere everywhere type of thing um you don't want to get stuck with that pin not writing which has happened to me so I don't even carry I mean I carry them everywhere with me just it's not made for that necessarily um what else we got a few of the kickstarter pins you know in the more traditional EDC sense you know the one called the pin project um you know the caris custom retract you know I think it's a good call you know it's the aluminum barrel it's retractable it takes a lot of different refills uh same with the tactile turn mover for me though an everyday carry pin should be small mm-hmm I think which is another reason why I think the space pin is a great choice yep there's something about to it should should be pocketable as well as to be thrown in a bag or right I got a lot of Lamy safaris nah yeah I it's a little too large yes too big again it's a tiny pin it's also a little flimsy mm-hmm it's a little large but oh one uh someone mentioned Adam Young mentioned the pilot had it won it's a fountain pin but it's really small I mean it's about the length of a it's about twice the width of a space pin or maybe three times the width um but it's about the same length so I don't know that's an interesting choice um yeah lots of retracts um what else we got oh okay um this pencil wasn't on my radar and I still wouldn't choose it over the rotering 600 but the pentel carry now I didn't put a link in the show notes but I've reviewed this pencil it's a very very interesting pencil that kind of gets down to a compact size it's called the Pentel Carry Sharp I believe I'll have to look it up and get you the link or you can pull it up that's a really good call uh Justin Rinalo on Twitter that one I I thought was really cool um good one to bring up and a lot to lots of Twisbees lots of Twisbee minis um you can ball jet streams zebraf 701 so this is good I mean one kind of drafting pencil now what was it called the carry K-E-R-Y K-E-R-Y okay I was spelling carry yeah sorry there goes an alarm clock oh my word wait time to wake up mm-hmm wow to make the doughnut time to make the doughnuts oh dear that's set for tomorrow morning oh give me a heart attack my alarm clock is so loud is it tomorrow morning already it might as well be oh I thought maybe it was UPS oh this is awesome the the pentel sharp carry link is broken on my site that's not I've got it here okay you got it yeah oh I just hit one internal okay good so yeah that's a good call on the pencil yeah and uh lots of pilot vanishing points you know that's a good durable fountain pen I actually hesitated to put that on there honestly because it's a little expensive and you know you kind of got to be careful about those things you know I don't want to just like totally butcher it and destroy it but now that's that's maybe just me not everyone thinks the same way I do the Midori brass bullet pencil which Andy willful sent to me I think it's a good call it's a durable wood case pencil holder but it goes into a compact size I really like that pen pencil it actually comes in a ballpoint pen version but the pencil versions the way to go plus it's one of the coolest looking um pencils out there I think and then you know a couple people said hey what about paper and I didn't really have anyone come up with anything besides field notes and don't paper memo books I didn't see anything interesting some people use you know just some standard you know some general stuff but nothing like earth shattering as far as paper goes um which I guess is okay I mean I think the field notes and don't paper are pretty well integrated into into people's back pockets by this point right I don't know what else what else you're gonna I don't know what else you're gonna do there to be perfectly honest I mean there's obviously things but when we're talking everyday carry I think you want to you want to count it being on your person right I don't think you necessarily or we're talking about a larger notebook that you'd have in a backpack sure you're carrying it every day but this is in the more utility type um aspect where you just had one pen one notebook you know your keys your wallet and you know just put them all in your pants pocket I think that's the type of thing you know we're looking for here so I think that's about goddess though I mean I think it's it's a good conversation because it can go so many different ways like um Tony on um the gear geeks live his everyday carry pin is the Prometheus pin which I have to look that up on Kickstarter but it's um it's a large I think I'm gonna say titanium barrel pin um it's a little much in the looks department for me but it's it's cool looking but it's not cool looking um enough for me to to lay down that I think it was about a hundred bucks or so to to purchase it I can't remember um but it's got that durability aspect to it you know he's gonna be able to take that pen anywhere and everywhere it's gonna take a beating um and it'll be able to handle anything you throw at it so you know there's pretty much two different groups at least in our world from a from a EDC perspective and I thought it was a good conversation to have just to throw out some of these things because there's a lot of overlap between you know what products people are using for EDC and then you know it's also nice to see what people are carrying that you may not have thought of so I definitely appreciate everyone chiming in today on twitter and app.net got a bunch of feedback and definitely keep them coming you know I want to hear you know I want to hear if there's things I missed like I totally whiffed on the kurutoga and um as soon as I saw I was like oh yeah that's a great great call for a pencil for an EDC pencil so anyway I think that's all I got for today Mike can you have anything else sounds good to me buddy great job all right if you want to catch up with uh the show notes as I mentioned go to five by five dot tv slash pan addict slash 92 I am i'm i'm on twitter i am yke and Brad is at dowdism d o w d y i s m if you'd like to catch up with Brad's work online go to pan addict dot com if you'd like to get in touch of us um you can also go to our contact form our contact information by going to five by five tv slash pan addict you'll see a big button there just press that and you'll be able to send us a note thank you so much Brad for being here today thank you all for listening to this week's episode of the pan addict podcast until next time say goodbye Brad good bye Brad [BLANK_AUDIO]
