"Ask Me Anything!" In this episode Brad and Myke field questions from listeners covering a wide range of topics. Pens and paper lead the discussion but we also touch on apps, music, and every day life. It was a fun episode.
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"Ask Me Anything!" In this episode Brad and Myke field questions from listeners covering a wide range of topics. Pens and paper lead the discussion but we also touch on apps, music, and every day life. It was a fun episode.
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- Cult Pens
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- Goulet Pens
- Anderson Pens
- Blackwing
- Rhodia Webnotebook
- Pentel Energel Euro Needle
- Uniball Jetstream
- Uniball Signo DX
- Enough 104 - The Pen Addict
- Seamonsters
- The Stage Names
- Meat Is Murder
- Victorinox Swiss Army Bantam Alox Pocket Knife
Hello and welcome to the pen and podcast weekly show where we discuss pens, paper and the analog tools that we love so dearly. My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined today by Bradness Everpen. May the inks be forever in your favours. Now you don't get that do you? I don't get that. No that's lost on me. So this was submitted by a listener. It sounded nice. This is submitted by a listener at Otaly enough. Leave it on Twitter. Now people that get that will love that and it's a Hunger Games reference. Oh okay. So it's Katniss Everdeen is her name I believe. I believe it's Everdeen and it's I think it's something may something forever be you in your favour. I can't remember the actual line now I've not read the books when he's in the movie but I liked it a lot. Oh that's cool. It sounds nice Bradness Everpen. I like that so we should so we should get people to submit intros. They don't have to but they can. I just like that one and not many people submit very different ones typically people will riff on other ones you know. I got a lot of his Bradness suggestions different places you could be oh love or something. That's awesome well thank you for sending that in that was that was pretty cool. So we have a very different type of episode today Brad had a brain wave and he wanted to do an AMA now an AMA is a something that's kind of typically found on Reddit and it's ask me anything so you will get people famous people or people that have really interesting jobs will say I'm such and such person ask me anything so the president's done one loads of people have done them in all walks of life you get people that will just be like I am an astronaut ask me anything like you don't have to necessarily be a famous person. So Brad wanted to do one of these which I think is great so what we have is a huge list of questions that have come in from all over the place Twitter app.net email we've not really vetted them or read them so there might be some things that pop up a couple of times and we'll just read them and gloss over them but we did that for a reason we want it to be sort of off the cuff and fun and a couple of things to note we might not get to all of the questions today because we have no idea how long it's going to last because as I say there's a huge list of things in here and also with show notes we're not going to include everything that we talk about in the show notes today because it could potentially again be huge and probably more than you would ever need so maybe if there's something new that we haven't mentioned before it will go in well for example if I mentioned that I love the Retro 51 it's probably not going to go in the show notes today. Is that fair Brad? Yeah I think that's completely fair and it could get I'm really excited about this episode and it could get a little bit out of hand and just try to do tracking it show notes wise so you know we'll do our best to put in some important links that we feel are like the most pertinent links in the show notes but not every pen or paper or item we talk about on the episode today is going to go into the show notes where we normally you know would have particular topics and we can kind of focus the show notes around that this one's kind of like you said more off the cuff and it could end up getting pretty cumbersome to for the show notes perspective but outside of that I'm really excited about this episode it's something I wanted to do for a while you know because people ask me you know I'm getting questions you know all day every day during the week so I figured I'd give everyone you know a shot to just kind of throw everything onto the table and ask me me and you anything that they wanted to ask and you know we got a we got a pretty good response so I'm excited to see where it goes. We got more than I thought we would in on this day and there is a lot in here and there's even still coming through as we were getting ready to record so we're sorry we miss you but we'll try and do it again anyway. Yeah yeah and if I miss you you know yeah one we'll definitely do this again later and two if I somehow overlook or miss your question and you listen to this episode and you don't hear it email me or tweet me directly and I will promise I will guarantee you an answer so how about that. That's that's kind of thing so would you like me to be in reading duties? Sure sure yeah and just like you said you know we tried to you know I copied and pasted all the questions into the into the document that we go off of so you know I had I read them but you know I tried to just throw them in here and not really give them any thought because like you said I wanted to kind of be off the cuff and just kind of you know like if we were standing there talking to someone these were the answers that we we'd come up with so I really hadn't had too much time to think about them. Okay so here we go Aaron Stanley would like to note on a personal note I'd love to know how you came to fall in love with pens the first major impact writing tools had on your life that you can recall more pen related oh so there's a couple here right let's start off Brad there's some that I'm just going to direct to you because I think that they're more more for you so how did you come to fall in love with pens? It was the earliest memories I have of it I definitely remember in middle school like being concerned with the pens that I used when I when I was at school and I've talked about before how my grandfather was an influence being an artist on his own you know just being surrounded by you know paints and pens and papers and you know books and you know learning how to draw you know with him and things like that and he would take my sister and myself you know to the to the college bookstore and that's where you could get all the cool office supplies that you couldn't get at the grocery store at the time you know you instead of just being stuck with you know like a regular bick or a paper made pen we could go and get like the pilot you know pilot precise and pilot razor point pens and you could get them in purple and green and these super fine tips that you know none of my friends have so those are the that's kind of the first memories I have when I knew that you know I actually cared about my pens and it had really never stopped since then you know it's not it wasn't a passing fad by by any means and now you know I was that was probably you know eight nine ten years old something like that when I remember doing when I remember doing that and it's just been kind of stuck with me ever since so it's really nice I actually don't have a story I think I've just always enjoyed pens like not necessarily expensive pens or nice pens I've just always liked buying or having new pens and pencils and paper or have since I was a little boy nothing I can't pinpoint anything that would suggest that but it's just how I've always been and I for a long time thought that everybody felt this yeah that's true I mean it's it it takes a while to realize that you know for a while there you're you're kind of the only one after you know why doesn't everyone use this well and it ends up being your though you're the only one that's got to kind of the new and neat stuff that no one else has so I think you kind of covered the major impact writing tools had on your life that you could like the first impact what maintenance routine do you implement to keep your feed and nibs in top condition yeah this is something that I've been working on a lot now that I'm more into fountain pens and why I don't I won't say that I have like a detailed you know routine like I don't keep a log or anything of pens and ink that I have currently inked up or or anything but what I try to do is anytime I think I do it a little more frequently than I have to but anytime I refill a pen say I'm gonna use my you know pilot custom heritage and I have it inked with you know a roshazuku shin kai which is kind of my favorite pen and ink combination right now when I run that ink cartridge out I think most people will say you know you can kind of reload that fountain pen two or three times with the same ink without really cleaning and or flushing it I go ahead and flush everything out every ink refill that's me I think that's a little much everything I've read says you know every two or three refills of ink cleaning out and you probably don't even have to do it that much for the the normal inks like you know the roshazuku and some of the other you know basic inks then and otherwise if you're using you know like a stronger ink or like a more pigment in ink or an iron gall ink you want to clean it you definitely want to clean it every two or three times but you know to keep it to keep it clean and in good shape I clean it out every time just because now I've gotten in the habit of where I can clean the fountain pens really quickly so I can clean it and dry it and have it reloaded with this even with the same ink with in the span of like 10 minutes so I don't mind cleaning it out every time but I don't think you have to do that I think you could probably fill a pen with ink that you like use it run it out fill it up again two or three times before then you after about that third fill you want to give it a good cleaning just to kind of keep it in good shape keep the feed clean keep the nib clean keep everything keep the ink able to flow through there pretty well awesome uh salami which is at sill bolt to man eight h so jet pens is cool but discuss more shops especially European stores so I will I will jump in here you want to check out colt pens.com they are a UK distributor but they ship worldwide they're really great they have most of the stuff that we find on jet pens in all honesty I've ordered a couple of things from them and I'm going to be ordering some more stuff from them very soon. Tiger pens is another one I think it's tigerpens.co.uk it's another European pen seller distributor I think for me they're the big ones you've got gule pens they're just gulepens.com's the gule pen company they are a US based but they also have great selections and though that I will actually put those in the show notes because it is right we don't really talk about those guys enough and we should talk about them more we we do reference jet pens because they kind of have everything and they are US based and you know sometimes I like to have the exchange rate work in my favor but if I want something quickly or if I want something expensive I will go to one of the UK based places just because of some of the issues I have had with importing through customs. Is that fair Brad? Yeah totally fair and you know I agree with with all the vendors that you said there and you know like you said we talk about jet pens a lot just because I think they do merchandising as good or better than anybody and like you said they're US based which is you know a lot of our I said probably the majority of our listeners are but I second the coat pens um the coat pen statement they're over the past year or two they're merchandising and their stock has really blown up and expanded they're starting to carry a lot of stuff and they're really good really good people I've talked to them over there several times and of course you know I also buy from gule pens here in the US they have a lot of great fountain pens and inks and accessories and things like that that I buy from so yeah that's great cultan gule they're really active in the community as well so it's pretty cool yeah that's another thing they're they're both great you know online you know customer service wise you can get answers real quick and you know and I'll also throw in Anderson pens.net um similar to the gule a lot of real fountain pen focus lots of fountain pens inks you can get ink samples from them if you want to test out some inks um then they're just more than happy to help out with any any questions you might have about um you know order in pens they've been very helpful to me in the past um salami also asks do you like mechanical or normal pencils um curitoga just go for the uniball curitoga and we'll answer all your needs yeah I've been a mechanical pencil guy my whole life and these new black wings you know the the white pearl black wings that's maybe something we can we can show note because we haven't really talked about that in the past I'm starting to get the the an itch that needs to be scratched for wood case pencil so we'll we'll see how that goes right now I'm a mechanical pencil guy most specifically the curitoga and other pencils that are drafting style mechanical pencils I don't like like I don't use the the the pinto the the p205 that's kind of a hybrid mechanical drafting pencil but I like the technical looking pencils if I use if I'm not using the curitoga I'll use something more technical and design like that you know like the the rotering 600 the uni shift pipe lock um I like those type of pencils but yeah I'm starting to have uh I'm getting a little bug for these wood case pencils mike so this this could be an issue and uh we're gonna have to have some of our our our pencil friends on uh sometimes soon they keep uh they keep tweeting me too uh have a Raymond HM Raymond seven oh do you know what the seven h in the eight h that was eight hours and seven hours I've just realized ignore that I was like another post that was just my that was my quick uh copying and pasting you know I didn't really edit these I just kind of copied them and slapped them in the document so yeah that's exactly what that is so it's at sill Bolterman so thank you sill so uh at HM Raymond do you ever feel like hiding your pen paper addiction for the fear of being judged I don't anymore personally um people notice especially at work my eccentric pens that I have um somebody was asking me about the Twisbee the other day they're they're nice colors so I explained to them the type of pen and that it was a you know it was a Republic of China commemorative edition um and they asked me if the ink was purposeful I was like no it's just lucky that the blue match is because I use the Compaqi um the Erosusu so Erosusuku Compaqi ink um but people noticed the pencil case that I have and I'm like it's just a thing that I enjoy I just like nice writing instruments um and you know I just say to people I think that everybody should consider having a nice pen um and it is something that I care about yeah I used to feel like I had to hide it some you know years ago um you know if I used something different than the norm and someone asked me about it I say oh it's just a pen you know that I bought and I kind of like it and you know and and just kind of kind of blow it off kind of thing and and not really get into it but nowadays you know I I don't hesitate if someone sees me um I'm less hesitant to use any pen in any situation in any paper in any situation than I used to be and that brings about more questions about oh what is that or you know or me being you know the instigator saying hey check this out kind of thing I've kind of um you know across that threshold where I don't uh I don't worry about it anymore and I'm trying to pull you know other people in you know like I'll just you know answer if someone asks me about a pen I'm using they'll say what is that and I'll just I'll start going into it I'll say oh you know check this out this is it's you know this type of pen or this type of fountain pen and here's why you know it's different you know check out this nibble in this pen or look how fine this high-tech see writes or something like that just the something a little extra where in the past I used to just kind of dismiss it I guess just because I felt like a fool kind of talking about it no you're coming to discussion about the pens and now I don't feel like that way at all anymore now I'll almost instigate it more than anything @tofa T-O-W-F-E-R would like to know how do you each store your pens so I have my I've mentioned it before I have a large pencil case that I keep at work with some of my favorite stuff in and I have a pencil pot here made out of Lego handmade this is nothing else to keep them in what about you Brad most of my storage of stuff that I don't use is like in big plastic bins and in different pen cases and ziplock bags you know I've got hundreds of pens laying around and I can't have them all out at the same time so I use you know I use these plastic bins and ziplock bags and I'll sort out just like like I've got I'll have like a bag of high-tech Cs and sino DXs and just various things and then you know I've got like a smaller bin that's just got all my fountain pen stuff and it was has you know some of the pens I'm not using it's got some ink bottles that I use more frequently it's got my cleaning supplies like my aspirators and syringes and extra cartridges and things like that and I keep that all in like a little small bin that's real portable because I I'm always carrying that around a lot you know like if I'm going to clean my pens I kind of take everything out and lay it all out you know like a big the big dork that I am so no that's that's mostly how I how I store them I it's really you know I store them in bins in a closet I've got a shelf in a closet that's just loaded with pens and paper but they're all in storage bins in general such a nerd I know I know I don't understand the next part what do you use with your pens I don't know what that means I'm sorry I'm wondering if he's getting out I'm wondering if he's wondering about paper or something like that I don't know I don't know too for well you can you can hit us up on on on Twitter yeah afterwards but um yeah there's probably some paper questions in here right later yeah there's an island disc but we said discs and pens I haven't really preferred desert island discs these are albums that you would that you would always have with you right if you were stuck on a desert island yeah or that that would take some serious preparation I know that's that's a tough question because you know I take my music I take my music pretty seriously and I've got I've got lots of favorites lots of favorite bands god if I had to kind of just have one or do I have can I have a few or I don't know maybe pick two or three oh okay desert island disc I would take um the wedding present sea monsters that's one of my favorite CDs ever um I take oh gosh okay let me should I say I take acarville river I take the stand-ins I like that CD a lot I don't know either of those I'll give you I'll give you some links and then I probably take the smith's meet his murder there you go there's three okay do you want to note those down okay um I would have the very best of the beach boys um jonathan colton best concert ever and oh god I'm really struggling with this last one because there's a bunch of things here that I would take oh man this is rough um I'm gonna say time for heroes the very best of libertines okay oh look at you I like libertines big fan yeah some tough ones like I didn't pick any arctic monkeys oh man that's that's rough no kings leon so macabees those are free bands that I would love to include but I know I know like I didn't I you know I need I should take some joy division but you know between the smiths and joy division I'll be awfully depressed on my desert island that probably wouldn't be a good thing see that's why you know go for the beach boys and I'll be happy to be there there's an island pens I mean a retro 51 tornado uh twisbee 540 roc and I don't know um I'll probably take kurutoga as well okay I think if I just had to pick a couple of pens I'd probably take the vanishing point um probably vanishing point fountain pen that seems to be a pen I always go back to and always have and always use a lot you know if I'm just having like one fountain pen or something like that I'd probably take that and I'd probably take a tombow air press um you know like a pressurizing refill pen and and plus it's got a like a cool clip I could I could take off and you see a fishing hook or something like that yes it is you so I should have gone for the fish or space pen yeah yeah so yeah I think those are mine so that's uh that's a tough that's a tough question you know and it could go a couple different ways but uh for both for music and for pens so yeah that's uh that's when you got to put a lot of thought into so uh Anthony's Skull and Brainy um at everyday comment what's the best fountain pen to get after your starter fountain pen so he's saying that he he has a Lamy safari which is he I assume is he's saying is he's starter pen which we have lamented over and over again wow that's tough right I mean I maybe yeah and just like just so you know he he did a follow-up right after it and he says oh cartridge is only no converters so it's got to be a cartridge fill pen then I would say um you've got a German so you've got a European you should go for a Japanese so I would say go for a pilot praira because they're well priced extremely well made and give you the the Japanese flavor yep I agree with the with the praira and I love the praira steel nibs for the price point of the praira that nib is really really awesome um for like around a fifty dollar pen I don't know that I've used a nib as nice but I'm I also enjoy the the extra extra fine nibs so I use the the pilot per fine nib and I love it every time I every time I use that pen I'm like oh I should use this pen more often so that's uh that's certainly high praise for a pen well I mean like for me and my history you know the the praira I think was one of the first things that I bought after starting this show and I learned so much like I learned that I bought the wrong nib size um I learned so many things so you know because I bought a German I bought a medium when I should have brought abroad at that time for me I should revisit my praira now I'm adjusting to different nib sizes but anyway I want to take it and hang on real quick let me go uh since I know Tony and I talk to him a lot and I know his style oh okay he also he's a big uh everyday carry guy likes you know knives flash lights the tactical stuff he ought to look at the vanishing point too if he wants to spend the money that's um that's something that might be right up your alley Tony and now you know maybe we'll we'll talk about that offline I think that's a big jump from the praira but it might fit uh his style nobody else should take that advice no nobody no no no no no no no no no one else should take that advice that is specific to me maybe no one don't do it don't do what Sean Blanc did the guy's crazy I don't know why he you know he bought a great pen but to jump that far in um that's but he did trust your advice it worked out for him we actually have two sponsors today we we have uh Squarespace let's talk about now and we have a pretty cool sponsor a menu sponsor a little later on but I want to take a moment to thank the lovely people the fine folks the great Squarespace who give you absolutely everything you need to make an amazing website Squarespace have been a long time sponsor of the show and we want to take some time to thank them as well as telling you about them so we love Squarespace because they they give me and Brad and everybody um real simple tools to create and maintain um any sort of website me and Brad both host our blogs there so I have mikeherley.net Brad has panatic.com which is obviously the website you know and love and it looks so great because of the tools and all of the stuff that Squarespace 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question was how many Star Wars Legos do you have because that is the American way of pronouncing it because the actual correct European way of pronouncing is would be how much Star Wars Lego do I have oh okay because Lego the the pluralization of Lego is Lego I didn't realize that realized that I was wondering where you were going with this but now it makes sense yes yeah you would say I have Lego or I have a Lego block I guess anyway um so I own the Death Star that is my most recent purchase um and I guess throughout my life I have had smaller sets um I wouldn't I've never had a set as large as the Death Star so yeah I mean I I've had multiple throughout my life just small ones like land cruisers um tie-fighters stuff like that um maybe some mini-figs that I bought but the the Death Star is the is the big one um at Joshua Wald um Joshua Wald is all over the network he submitted a big topic for us on enough today oh really okay because I haven't really talked with him before you like a lot of the you know the people we're we're talking about today that are submitting questions you know I've talked to in the past but Joshua I haven't so cool I think Josh is new uh new to new to the show and new to pens as he's asked I'm about to buy my first pen slash paper and jet pens for writing any suggestions so um I just read the next question uh pens and paper pens and paper so paper you should probably look if it's your first look at a Rodea journal a web notebook would be a good good thing because you it has all of the hitness factor of a moleskin um but much better paper so I'll put those in the show notes for you uh Joshua what about a pen Brad I think if you're just gonna go if this is gonna be your first purchase and you just want to try a couple things out I would choose one of the Pentel Intergel Euro needles either the .35 or the .5 if you like fine tips um that's a really good first pen um it's a good writer good ink very comfortable um the uniball sino DX of course um I'd probably try 0.5 millimeter on that one and then I'd toss it in just a uniball jet stream probably a .7 millimeter and just see if you like it um you know those three pens are all I think less than three dollars each it's just something to try and see what you like um you know without having more specifics on you know what you're trying to do with your pens you know you're just using them for work or you're trying to accomplish something specific are you a student you know the uh you know we can get more specific and I'd be happy to help you more if you want to send me an email but those are those are three I would that are really good starter type pens um to kind of get your feet wet and see maybe what you like and then and then go from there you said the jet stream the energyle and what uh the DX the uniball sino DX those are three real good consistent consistent writers really good performing pens you're joking um ISM H which is Stephen Hackett wants to know Brad um how you got to be so handsome well um I use um Mike Hurley's uh hair tips I don't know if you've seen uh seen Mike's uh wonderful hair you know I try to follow your lead Mike and your hair care regimen yep um with uh you know the shampooing and conditioner and um you know the the little extra spa treatments that you uh that you get and then um I mix that in I mix that in with girly drinks and that that's uh kind of a good uh good regimen I have and um you know it keeps the skin uh keeps the skin looking good looking healthy and the in the hair looking good so yeah you know I really follow Mike's lead I mean he's uh he is my uh my style uh muse if you will and uh yeah that's that's that's why I look so good muse general inspiration all of those things really if everybody followed my tips you know the world would be a different place um mary coles MS coles would like to know uh do you find your pen acquisition to becoming more focused more collectorish or do you still or are you still dabbling to find focus if at all I added if at all in myself I don't know why um I'm still dabbling I I would say that I don't have any focus yet and you know what I I don't know that I ever will just because I I like so many different things um you know if there's an you know some new ballpoint pen you know I'm gonna try it and if there's some new fountain pen I'm gonna try it so I I don't know that I might I guess my focus is never gonna get I'm never gonna have like a laser focus in my pen purchasing it's gonna be more of a looking at everything kind of thing so I don't know that I'll ever get that focused um and you know I might have some offshoots like you know if there's a specific pen that I want to collect more of specifically then yeah I think you know in that case I will but I think in general I think I won't have any focus it's too much uh I could I could never uh I could never be in a monogamous type pen relationship I don't think uh I'm very similar I I mean I'm still meandering through um but any any listeners will know that I am still clearly finding my feet is my obsession to change um very very frequently um we have an email question here this is quite a long one but we'll I'll read it through and we'll see there's a lot of question marks in here so I'm concerned Hello I'm in the market for my first fountain pen in years and I've got my eye on the twosby 580 EF nib given that this will be my only fountain pen and I'm not sure how much I'm going to write with it my question is ink regarded is the refill system easy enough for a novice I'm going to answer yes does that kind of system make sense in my case yes it does I just want one ink and to go with it I'm not going to change the color once a week I've never bought a bottle of ink before is the refill a clean procedure with the twosby yes it is very clean does bottle dink make sense if I'm using it with just one pen yep that's fine that's what I'm doing at the moment too um will it dry out no you'll be fine the ink will last for a very long time in the bottle keep it out of direct sunlight would that be correct Brad yes yeah that's yeah as long as you can do a cool dry place just general care needs yeah you'll be fine um is the swisby even a good single pen or is it better as a secondary pen no I use it as my primary pen at the moment um you see I don't have a clue or just that I want a smooth EF nib and that the twisby spoke to me perhaps you have a better recommendation I want to stay in the sub 50 euro range I need an EF nib and I can't use small pens like the Cuico Sport because my hands are pretty huge thanks for a great show kind of regards from Berlin Germany Sebastian Sebastian I hope that that made sense go for the twisby find yourself a nice ink you know pay pay a bit of money and maybe get one of the pilot iroshi zuku inks Brad would you agree with that or a J her mom yeah I like especially with the twisby's and most of their models are the demonstrator type where you can see the ink in them so you don't want to stain you don't want to get any ink that's going to stain that window so yeah I would stick with you know a primary vendor you know like uh um you know a pen vendors ink you know like pilot or even jherbal who doesn't who makes a few pens but it's a very it's a very tame ink uh diamond things like that but just in in general the over the overarching question is you know should I be worried one about the the the twisby and the filling system and is it a good enough pen to be my only pen and if I buy one ink to go with that is that a good enough setup to be my one and only and it apps without question it is um don't be scared of the ink filling system and the twisby it's really easier it's probably almost easier you know that it's probably right after cartridges in the in the next filling system it's easier to fill than most converters I think this piston filler that the twisby 580's have um it's super easy to clean um it's it's a very easy pen to maintain and if you pick out you know a twisby EF and one ink you're gonna be set for a long long time if that's your goal here and um that that should work out very very well for you Sebastian. Friend of the show uh JJL setter um what would you consider um your other or another obsession and what draws you to it that for me does not count podcasting which is a problem so I think it's the only other thing that I think about um Brad what about you? I've always been a baseball nerd um I used to you know my first four rays into blogging back probably in the early 2000s you know I wrote a baseball blog and I was one of those real statistical guys you know that that followed you know all the minutiae and the statistics and I would keep my own spread sheets and calculate my own statistics and you know that I don't do it as hardcore as I used to but I'm a I'm a I'm a really really deep into baseball um you know I don't have any other you know like uh obsessions you know with you know I'm not into like movies or I'm not into necessarily electronics you know like home theater type stuff but I I'm pretty hardcore into into baseball and the statistics that that that go around that and that's a pretty that's a pretty nerdy passion on its own and it it costs way less than pens too. Mine would probably be comic books and comic book related things movies cartoons or sort of stuff uh Patrick Growne Brad would like to know if he can have all of your pens? Yet no Patrick you cannot have all my pens but if I do come up to your house one day um I will definitely be rating your vintage uh pen collection and um this this might go the the other way and then you would expect so yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna steal Patrick's pens not the other way around um J.L. Abbott would like to know how much do you and Mike communicate during the week and how difficult is it to adjust to a third shift schedule um last part has got a favorite pocket knife come to that in a minute the interesting thing is part one and two of that question actually go hand in hand because Brad is on a third shift schedule we talk may we talk more than I do with some of the other hosts because we're typically awake at the same time we sleep at the same time like not just like oh we have some overlap it's practically the same um yeah that that time shift actually works in our favor with my weird schedule yeah we talk I mean not not over the phone but we probably talk every day I'd say we probably talk every day we're we're bouncing something off each other every day or just having just general conversations you know or hey look at this or whatever but we talk pretty close to every day um just like Mike says because you know the way our schedule overlaps but um yeah it works out pretty good and and just I don't know if you're just asking in in general Joe how difficult is it to adjust to a third shift schedule it's it's pretty tough um the hardest I mean if I'm if I'm going on it you know and not having like vacation and not messing up my schedule you know to where I'm working five days on and two days off like it's not an issue for me at night you know you get pretty used to that part but what's hard is when you do have days off um even just like my two-day weekends it's hard to sometimes adjust and do you know what your family's doing and things like that so the hardest part about a third shift schedule is you're never really off because you still kind of keep your same sleep schedule through like your two-day weekend that you have off right so or else you'll really be messed up so oh and uh do I have a favorite pocket knife yeah I do I carry um right now I'm using um a little small um Swiss Army Alox um it's just a single blade um pocket knife with a um bottle opener screwdriver um other blade it's one of the thinnest smallest uh knives that I've ever found and and I've been using carrying this one for years and sometimes I'll switch out to us I have a spider code delica that I use otherwise so I do like uh pocket knives so I that's one that's one rabbit hole I could I could see going down um one of these days um where are we uh Anna at Anna a friend of the show um daily carry pens paper other tools for both of us for me um probably paper I typically have moleskins um just because I have loads of them um so I'm still kind of trying to get through those before I move to more sophisticated paperware um I have used other products in the past but rather than buying like more rodeo journals or whatever um I want to get rid of the moleskins that I have which I've amassed over some time so buy sort of crazy additions and stuff uh field notes I'd use more and more and more um because I have more and more and more of them um at the moment my daily carry is typically the twispy 540 and the and obviously a retro 51 yeah I'm trying to get mine down to as small as possible so right now last night for example I carried one pin case that had five fountain pens um and then maybe you know like a high tech C I always have usually my render K um and that's most of the pens I try to carry around with me like going to and from work things like that and then I use it work and then I'll carry with me either a field notes notebook or a dome utility journal I alternate I have so many of each that I'll fill up one like I'll fill up a dome paper then I'll go to a field notes and then fill that up and go back to a dome paper just so I'm getting to use them all um and then you know I just carry you know outside of that I I carry you know like a small like a mini flashlight um and a mini pocket knife and that's pretty much it um I I try to keep my my carry pretty pretty small so I don't have it too many extraneous tools but I do keep um you know a small a small high powered flashlight and a small uh pocket knife along with my pins and paper cool um okay how did both of you get to share your addiction ever wonder about that uncommon transatlantic relationship I don't really especially in my life um transatlantic relationships aren't uncommon anymore um I seem to to where I talk to more people every day I think and have maybe even more friends I think that live all over the world than I ever have before um I think mine and Brad's relationship if you want to call it that I like to begin on an episode of another podcast on assembly decibels soon to be on five by five as a little of our shows will be um called enough uh with Patrick Graham um we had Brad on um because we're both fan of the panoramic and I thought Brad was great behind the mic and started to pressure him to create a show with us that's right I got peer pressured into uh into this podcast but it couldn't have worked out any better but that's that's right that's how that's how we I mean I I guess we had kind of I don't know if we'd really talked or we certainly knew of each other before we we got on board with Patrick and did the enough episode where y'all were where y'all had me on and then it just kind of it just kind of snowballed from there you know I was hesitant at first to to commit to doing my own show um but um through your through your pressuring and and but with the really it was more the vision you had that you know that you felt that this would be a good idea I finally uh I finally came around to that and it's um it's been wonderful ever since this is one of the most fun things I do every week so I I'm very much enjoy it so and and I've never even considered our uncommon transatlantic relationship I think that's just the nature of the beast now I mean that's that's the world that we live in and I've never thought I've never thought anything about that just because it's on what it just feels normal um Star Wars Zachary uh Star Wars 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audience than the pen addict audience yes and we'd love to have you we would we would be thrilled should we carry on yes thank you art snacks thank you art snacks thank you very much right louish chase mccoy what are our task management applications of choice task management oh right yes um i am on android at the moment so i'm using um something called astrid which has just been bought by yahoo so i need to find something new brad do you use any task yeah i know if you use any task management applications yes pen and paper excellent perfect um also notes simple note ever note you're probably going to say pen and paper again no i i've just started um i used to use envy alt and simple notes set up and i stopped um and i transferred that to pen and paper now i'm starting to force myself to use evernote a little bit more and i'm liking it i'm not needy been to it yet um but i'm starting to dabble in evernote so you know i might start using that more i'm starting to do some more the capturing some more the daily capturing stuff like chase had chase uh double dipped he had a twitter question and app.net question the second one is how do you separate journaling digitally with apps like day one and journaling with pen and paper i actually started to use day one uh the day one app this year and i i like that a lot um i if i do any type of journaling it's actually through day one because i've never really kept a journal before it's never been my thing i keep you know all my tasks listen to do's and everything and that's all that's all pen and paper but um journaling ironically enough is digitally with an app like day one which really just makes it really really simple so um i no longer put anything into simple note i have an account and i have some stuff in there that i just haven't moved out yet um i mainly put things into google drive um there's a lot of collaboration stuff so all of the podcast stuff really goes in there and i'm using evernote as well i've just started using evernote again um and i need to get into it a bit more um with journaling i i use day one but i don't really keep a diary i tend to this is kind of bad i tend to keep images of things that i want to remember when i say that it's typically like somebody said something nice or you know basically ego boosting stuff tends to go in there as well as some memories but it's mainly ego boosting stuff which is terrible no that's good yeah i don't use it as a diary either i use it more i think it's more of a memories you know pick just i use i use it to kind of organize some of my pictures on of things that i want to remember i do use it a lot of you know with my kids and and and things like that i don't use i'm tempted to use um Brett Terpstra's slogger um yeah that looks like too much to me to go in yeah yeah that looks i i i've downloaded it but i haven't installed it just because i don't know if i want to dump everything in today one because i don't know that's what i'm really using it for i'm using it just for you know to to you know just kind of some memory capturing you know i was here then and you know we did these cool things that kind of stuff so but i don't i don't use it like an everyday journal or a diary um official show mascot canoni renishin um i want for you both the most embarrassing music track that you're happy to admit to i guess this is something that that we love i think that maybe even saying that the very best of the beach boys on my desert island discs it might be but what bad enough i don't know yeah well this is this is actually really easy for me because i have a six-year-old daughter and you know you can name any music that you know a six-year-old girl will be into but mine and her our jam right now is uh we're into taylor swift we are never ever getting back together yeah there's a we uh we we rocket out on on some taylor swift right now so i'm not too embarrassed to admit that brad is an unfortunate person to have on your idea of friends list as you ruins the uh habitation it's it you know what if there's one thing that drives me crazy it's that and you know what there's nothing i can do about it because my between my wife and kids getting into my audio account it's like it's like ruined like everything at the top it's you know taylor swift in one direction and you know now now i get these notifications for like you know you might like or you here's some new albums you know from from one direction like oh man y'all are killing it so yeah you're you have to dig a little deeper in my uh my audio listening because um yeah they they you know with with the kids the the in the short attention span there's probably about 10 songs that are in heavy rotation and we're talking like five five times a day each so it definitely skews everything um how do you physically store your pens and equipment from brian esposito i think we've covered that yep uh yeah we're basically but no i use i use like the large storage bins um i think that works best for me right now yeah cool um at uncle larry um as 11 12 well one one two i think i'm not sure yeah i sorry i really screwed you up on these i think that's probably it's probably just uncle larry i think that looks like some kind of minute thing 11,218 minutes ago um ever use clear fontane for free by 3.5 by 5.5 side staple notebooks cheaper than field notes and more fountain pen friendly but a thicker um i think it might be safe to say that both me and brad don't use field notes just for their paper qualities like they are great but we love the designs and the collectableness of them right right and i think i i know which clarifontanes he's talking about and i think i haven't used them because i don't think they come in graph i think i think they might only come in line i will double check and if if i'm wrong about that i will order some because i i definitely would like to check those out i think i know which ones you're talking about i've looked at them and i i think i passed over them for that reason but i could be mistaken but i'll i'll check back into that uh theater loo has asked two questions what's your favorite second fountain pen um if someone has a typical entry pen like a preppy or safari what would you recommend to the next i think we covered that earlier yeah well i would i would like to elaborate though and and say you know look at we talked about the the prayer but i would look at the twizby um the twizby 580 that's that it's a good price point um there's a lot of value in that pen um you know as as far as what you can do with it and the the quality is great it's a it's a really good second fountain pen that's the one i'd move like if you're going lay me safari for it's kind of your entry level pen i'd look at a prayer and i'd look at a twizby very very hard uh favorite use of or seen with a pen in a movie mine is the uh explodable parker ballpoint from golden eye yes see i i've got nothing on this i this is one i actually looked at and thought about i can't come up with anything i can come up with anything and he and Theodore has given his um the open interrogation scene in glorious bastards a very close second is the tank scene from indie free yeah i'll have to think about that i i do have a uh a favorite um a book a favorite uh book paper scene this is just this is just a brag um my sister my sister's the book binder in the movie the good shepherd um it's about um particular book and she actually made those books as props for that movie so i was that's pretty cool that is very cool it is very cool yeah okay rapid fire yeah i like this one black or blue ink blue black cap or retractable retractable cap even though i never post them highlight or underline highlight underline cursive or print print cursive this is why the show is so good we're on the exact opposite so i kind of go in between both lined or graph or dots graph dots even i don't use enough of them it's just my preferred of all of those staples glue or spiral that's a tough one for me as staples because there's an entity there's no never any issues i'm gonna go staples as well on that one you can't glue or spiral can cause problems for left handed people yeah piston or converter piston piston because i i actually don't like converters very much um after using pistons converters are very messy uh vintage or modern modern yeah so we kind of we kind of ended up going together after you said that we were apart um brian shanker as bl shanker uh ink creep why does it happen and can it be prevented um i don't know if he's insulting you there brad no no in the he's referencing the the lami safaris in particular and those i i don't know that you can prevent it i've seen it happen in pretty much all of my safaris the ink comes through the tines um you can see it on the feed i you know what with the lummies you just got to clean you got to clean them regularly and still even though you know you have a fresh pen um it it still just goes through the nib um i hate to say it it's it's almost just like a feature of of a fountain pen that i i'm really you know anal about keeping my nibs clean like when i'm writing i don't like ink like after our ink to my you know try to clean them off like really really well um so nib creep does bother me but i'm starting to come around to where it's just kind of a fact of life um you know the now there's ink and nib combinations that are worse i've noticed though particularly on the lommies um seem to be the worst out of the pins that i've had so i i don't have a real answer for you there um brian other than it's going to happen and i've seen it happen especially with the lommies and i've not found anything you can do about it really because the lommie ink is pretty good um so yeah that that's that's kind of how that one is unfortunately um joe libbo at jjjjll setty was another another question yeah he's got him he's got um who were some of our personal heroes um quick for me um leo report dan benjamin steve jobs naturally uh steve and fry i think that's i think that's a good selection i've probably missed off some important ones but but you yeah oh gosh that's hard um i don't know that heroes is such a hard thing i you know i'm fans of guys you know i have i'm fans of a lot of people i don't know that i have heroes you know i don't know that there's anyone that i i necessarily look up to i'll have to think about that one interesting that's a hard that's a hard question for me that kind of caught me off guard there i wouldn't i was not ready for that um hmm yeah i don't know fair enough to get back to you jj it's fine um mike pontech um fmf is dead how do you get a job in the pen industry brad that's a good question that's a that's a tough question for me it was just luck i mean i i was just you know persistent in you know my my blogging you know built an audience built some kind of a rapport with um the readers and that turned into a rapport with various pen companies um and then we just got to talking about jet pens they wanted to try to do a couple different things and they asked if i was interested in and you know of i said of course yeah i was um you know in the end it didn't work out um best for either of us um but you know i i think it's probably a hard industry to get into um because most of the things that you and i and other people see are publicly are all from the marketing pr side right so that's how you know those those are the paths that are the ends to the pens company and you know i don't know if that's where you you would want to be or not you know i don't know exactly what you're what you're looking for i mean but you know all the other people that we interface usually are you know marketing pr types um so you know those the one the skills you want to have you know being very you know open and accessible and providing information um and you know having a good rapport with the audience that's what helped me but um you know i also wasn't looking to get a job in the pen industry at the time it just kind of happened there wasn't anything specific i did i just did what was important to me and what i felt was the right thing to do and it just kind of worked out so you know i wasn't looking for that job at the time so i don't know if i have a great answer like because i didn't target it and say you know here's what i'm going to do and here's how i'm going to get in um it didn't work that way for me it just it was more just kind of uh on a whim thing kind of happened so um it was a it was a fantastic experience i loved it so you know if i ever have a i don't know if i'll have never have a next job in the pen industry um it'll it'll probably be blogging you know just doing what i'm doing maybe it'll turn into a job one day um i don't have any plans to do that though but um but i guess what i'm saying is my next job in in the pen industry will be a job of my own creation i don't know that i will ever work for anyone again but you never know it's a really really good answer um okay m pacer i've done that this might be more appropriate for gensory kisser but how do you actually deal with the health issues that arise from constantly writing and typing i've gotten better with my wrist posture that doesn't mean it's easy i don't have any answers for this i thought this was a really good question and this may not be the answer you want to hear but and not not so much in typing but is in writing when i write with you know my high tech c's um in the really fine pens and my printing style i use a heavy grip pressure i don't get near as much writing fatigue with fountain pens and you may not be a fountain pen person but i have found that fountain pens are the way you write with a fountain pen is less stressful on your hand and your wrist um i can't really speak to it in typing i mean i type a lot all day and i haven't fortunately knock on wood i haven't really run into any issues with carpal tunnel or any of those type of issues with that combination of writing and typing but i have found that i do have a lot less stress in my hand using a fountain pen for what it's worth okay you have a time machine that only allows you to revisit past pen decisions what do you change this is from brad husk which is at sph 33 arse it's sphere i guess sphere um i never would have purchased the oto rook terrible decision this is funny because mine is very much on the long same along the same lines but broader i would waste less money on lower end fountain pens which encompasses the rook and the dude from oto you know there's lots of things you know there's tons of fountain pens available that are less than 30 dollars there's very few that i've found that have been worth the price no matter if they're five dollars or 25 dollars the safari's one that's what we talk about it all the time um there's maybe a couple of others you know so i've spent way too much money and too much time with other pens in that 10 15 20 dollar range that i will never go back to again in my life and you know that's probably hundreds of dollars of pens sitting there that i could have applied that money um in a better fashion buying a single pen or two pens that would be much better so um there's definitely been some waste in in that area so it's kind of along the same lines as you might yeah yeah just i guess if i was only going to pick one it would be that's probably the worst pen i've ever used well not the worst pen i've ever used is the most disappointing yeah yeah um michael france nick um two obvious questions at least obvious to me he says exclude in vintage pens which i believe contain the best value in esterbrooke uh yeah what do you consider the best or worst value in pens you have actually used so i guess what he's asking is consider satisfaction versus cost and guess maybe considered value-wise um what do you consider to be the best and worst i guess value uh best value i guess would be something along the lines for me if like allow me so far a pilot prayer because they're so good and they're very cheap um i would also go with the retro in there as well as one of the reasons i love that line is because i think they are actually ready to be cheap for what you're getting uh worst value i don't think i've spent enough honestly yeah to really to really get into that what do you think i think my my best value like modern pens wise is the twizby um probably the 580 which is the current model um it's really versatile um and it's really high quality and i think it's a completely fair price um worst values i really think are the cheaper pens um kind of that relating to that at that last question you know like spending twenty or twenty five dollars on a couple of roto uh oto fountain pens um that's just turned out to be you know money flushed down to the toilet and you know it doesn't have to be uh a two or three hundred dollar pen to to be a bad value i mean i thought you know a twenty five dollar pen then i'm going to use one time to do a pen review and never use again that's that's pretty poor um value so i i think some of the worst values have been in some of the cheaper pens to be quite honest interesting okay uh and also from from michael do you better appreciate as he does collectors of vintage firearms and automobiles now can you imagine you're interested in quality tools transferring to another tool or machine um i guess yeah i appreciate collectors of all kinds uh vintage stuff too although i've not really got into vintage stuff so for me it's just collectors um i have an addictive personality um i i become obsessed with things pens is a long-term obsession of mine we spoke about earlier so yes i can totally see that i could i could transfer this interest not that i would remove my pen addiction to to something else in the future i have no idea what that could be i get consumed by things it's but it's part of who i am yep i agree with with that completely i definitely have that um that same type of uh behavior traits you know i do find certain things and obsessed over i could see me getting um i i definitely appreciate the the all the collector um collectors different types of collectors and and i could see myself you know i i read a lot of things like about watches or about knives or about you know flashlights a lot of that everyday carry type stuff i like um but um you know that that's all stuff that can get really expensive too but that i could you know i don't think i'll ever like go full bore like i've gone with pens and and that's why pens are so great because you can find something awesome for you know three dollars and that can really change how you work and how you do things whereas getting into some other things are you know quite cost prohibitive um not that it won't happen down the line but i can definitely uh i definitely respect and and you know see see the enjoyment that a lot of other collectors have uh sorry i was taking a drink um last question i'm told peppercorn on behalf of his wife when does it all end unfortunately mrs peppercorn it doesn't yeah i'm sorry yeah it doesn't when when the pens end which will probably be never yeah which is great for us all and i i know i know Todd uh Todd is happy to hear that answer too he's like yes it never ends because Todd Todd's a pretty good collector he uh he uh had uses lots of really good fountain pens and you know i talked to him pretty frequently and he's got he's got some good stuff so uh you can tell your wife that i'm sorry honey it doesn't end um and then figure out what you can buy for her uh to make up for for all your fountain purchases because it's not ending anytime soon i can promise you that okay dokie i think we've come to the end or we have yeah unlike the show yeah unlike the show it is ending soon right now not not forever just this episode oh gosh no you're not doing that again i got an email about that the other day did you what it is that that episode with the take a break episode someone said you know i just listened to that just said it was so depressing but you know i was consoled in the fact that i i knew already that there were more episodes afterwards so it was okay but boy i was like yeah then in retrospect that was a pretty depressing episode and it was unintentional isn't it that we totally totally unintentional i thought it was a great episode personally but it's it's not in line with you know what a normal episode would be so anyway we won't we won't uh we won't uh get stuck on that but yeah this was a fun episode i was i was excited to do this and uh we will do it again soon um you know maybe later this year we'll we'll do it and see we'll get another batch of questions see how it goes but i love doing stuff like this just because you know i you know the community around this podcast and just around pins in general you know even you know other pin bloggers other pin companies everyone is so helpful so nice and you know i just wanted to to give back a little bit um even though you know i'm free to answer questions all the time and um yeah it was fun that as i say though there is no greater community than the panetic community our community that's right we have the best one because of all of you guys who tune in every week and we we love you all dearly and we're very very happy that you continue to to be with us and uh you know we we really really appreciate it and we appreciate all of your questions i've tried to do this sort of stuff in the past if other shows i've never got that many questions never and this is on shows that have much larger audiences so that just shows you guys were so engaged and we love it and as Brad promised if if any question was not answered feel free to contact him you're gonna get a better answer out of him but if you've got stuff that's maybe non-pen related you know so we had some other stuff feel free to ask me to i'd love to hear that i mean i can help where i can with the pen stuff but we all know that Brad is the the real guru around these parts so get in touch of us um i know for me twitter and app.net best especially if you want shorter answers or they're just short questions um i am i'm like i m y k e on both uh Brad is @dowd d d o w d y on app.net and doubty ism d o w d y i s m on twitter um also if you want to email Brad um if you have longer questions um email the pen addict @gmail.com is good perfect so i think that we are at the end sir we are great job by you one hour 15 minutes good deal i think that worked out well not too far off what i thought it was gonna be which was 90 minutes i said to before we started so not too far off that so thank you for sticking with us i hope you've enjoyed this episode and we will of course be back next week um until next time i'm mike and here's Brad have a great week we'll see you then bye bye bye bye
