(upbeat music) - Welcome to Horror Cinema Obsession. Here, we dive deep into the chilling depths of horror cinema from the critically acclaimed scares to the laughably ludicrous, and even the delightfully obscure. Now, let's join our hosts, Richard and Angelus, as they share their love, laughs, and sometimes shared disbelief at the world of horror movies. (dramatic music) All right, hello everybody, hello world. How's things going out there? Things are going great here. This is Horror Cinema Obsession, I'm your host, Richard. - And I'm Angelus. - She's the co-host. - I am the co-chair, clap clap. - How is my beautiful co-host? - You know, that's so great. - That's so great. - That's so great. - What do you mean, what? - I don't feel 100%. - Dude mean either. That flu finally came around. - I got it cold. - Yeah, me too. - You got a flu? - Oh, flu cold, wherever the hell it is. - I think it's a cold. - Yeah, bird flu, I don't know. - A bird flu? - The influenza. - I get the bat flu. - You, so that's not good. So it sounds like you guys are gonna get us in our not 100% phase, but you know what? That's not gonna hinder us. We're gonna give it our all. Because you know why? 'Cause we're doers. - You get 60%-- - Like you tell me, like you tell me, Angelus, we're mixy cans, not mixy cans. - No, that's your saying, don't fucking put it on me. That's your motto. - That's our motto as a family. - No, that is not my motto. - Uh-huh. (laughs) - My motto is keep on, keep on, on, on, on, on. - Oh, okay. (laughs) - Ah, it's catchy. - Keep on, keep on, keep on on. - Keep on, keep on on. - Come, keep on, keep on on. That tomatoes tomatoes. - Okay, cool. - So sorry you guys get sniffly, Angelus today. - Sorry, man. - The boss wouldn't let me take a break the day off today. - Wow. - That you gotta be here. - I did not say this. - I'd like contribute to the Conjuring Universe. - Oh yeah, so nice. We're gonna go into it. We're covering, we got a good one, guys. We're covering Annabelle creation. - Don't, don't, don't. And guess what, you guys? It was Richard's first time watching Annabelle creation. - I don't know if it was my first time. - Initial thoughts. - Initial thoughts on this one? For me, honestly? - Aren't you always? (laughs) - Yeah, I'm pretty brutally honest. This one, take it or leave it for me. I didn't do anything for me. Didn't move me towards one way or the other. I just was like, oh, it's another horror movie. It didn't like jump off the page, you know? Jump off the screen, so to speak. Not being said, I mean, there were points of suspense that it built up. They did a good job, I had a couple anxiety points. So they did, they did a couple good scares. I'll admit that, that was really good. But all together, I mean, it wasn't really nothing of note. This wasn't a horror movie that kind of jumped out to me. How about you? - The first time I watched this movie, it really freaked the fuck out of me. I'm watching another theater. - Why do these movies freak you out? - Because there was a lot of jump scenes in this movie for me. - Oh. - Back then, like, I did watch movies, but I wasn't watching them, like, every day. - With the critical eye? - No, and I just, like, just all the time. So I watched a dark setting, horror setting, scary setting, and there was just a lot of jump scenes. So it did get me, so the second time watching it around, I think, out of the trilogy of animals, I think it's the scariest of the animals. - Really? So, I've seen bits and pieces of other ones, but I've never watched them in full. - I've watched. - I've never went to the theaters and seen these, which is weird, because I go to all horror movies, but the Conjuring universe, I have not went to the movie theaters for. - I didn't go to the theater for any of the other movies, like Conjuring and Sidious. All of those, I didn't go to any of those, but-- - You make it a point to watch them, though, right? - No, they just happened to watch them. - Oh, I guess it wasn't scheduled watch. This is just, it was there. - This one took place at the Garland Theater, 'cause, yeah, so I watched that, but this time around, I guess you're pretty good. They do a pretty good job of, like you said, building up some of those moments where they kind of scare you. And even last night, when we were watching it again, there was a few moments when I was like, "No, fucking run, get out of there." And just the anxiety of, you know, what's to come. - Yeah. - But, I mean, would I watch it again? Yeah, and I'm like, "Oh my God, do I love it?" And you just put it on a cycle and-- - Is this like, it follows for me? No, where I wouldn't watch it again? - No, my God, this is the cycle-- - When I come into a cycle-- - When I come into a cycle. - When I go through the cycle, yeah, I'll watch this again. I'll put it in the rotation, I don't mind that. It's something I could see watching, like, putting on. It's a good movie to, I'm not saying for kids, like, at young age, but when they're coming into horror where they're kind of getting to that, like, I think it's a good gateway one. I think it's that tweener one, honestly, for me. - For you? - Like, I don't know, but you know my upbringing, I was pretty much thrown to the fire, but-- - I know that none of my nieces or my nephew would watch this as the teens. - Really, but like at 12? - No. - See, I could see a kid watching at 12 and be like, "Oh, okay." - I think they're too scared. - Yeah, well, I mean, it's okay to, like, have that scared, but I don't know. - I think it would be, there's a few scenes in here, especially the whole thing with the toys and the dolls. - Yeah. - That relation, and there were some scenes in there. - And that's just me, people are probably like, "What the fuck, Richard? "You're gonna show children this?" - I know. There's some scenes that I think it would be shocking, like, not shocking, but they would be a little-- - Yeah, terrified. - Over the edge of being like, "Fuck that, they would have nightmares "and shut themselves." - Yeah. I'm just saying, if you get the right kid, 'cause you know kids that are like, "They're okay with that kind of stuff," or, "I do," so, like, it's just, "Oh, okay." Yeah, that being said, we can dive right into this home-dinger. (laughing) And about creation released. 2017, it had a budget of 15 millionth, and this sucker grossed 306.5 million worldwide. - No, no, no, no. - Making it a significant box office success. That's insane. - That's insane. - This film was primarily shot in California with much of the production taking place at the Big Sky Ranch in Simi Valley, which has been, like, that's a big location for a lot of movies. This location helped capture the isolated rural fill that was key to the film's eerie atmosphere. - Ooh. - Yeah, so that's pretty good. I mean, gee whiz, 306.5 million. I wish I made that off of just investing 15 million into something. - So this franchise, the Conjuring franchise, it's the third franchise to surpass the one billionth threshold after the Alien franchise in Resident Evil. - That's awesome. - That's pretty impressive. For so many franchises, like how many Halloween's are out there, how many Friday the 13's are out there? - Yeah. - Conjuring. - That's pretty awesome. - Yeah. - In the horror genre. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's pretty cool. Well, it makes sense. Like, they, this is one, I don't know how to say it's like mass produced. It's not like a lot of those movies, like obviously Halloween and stuff. There's major motion picture companies backing it, but not backing it, if that makes sense. These guys actually crafted it and it was very streamlined. They went the Marvel Cinematic Universe route with this, which isn't bad, you get a polished product, but that makes me not surprised that they hit that one billion mark. - Yeah, so I have here on my nose regarding the movie. There is one more movie coming up in 2025, so we'll be in one more, you guys. - Annabelle? - No, in the Conjuring universe. - Well, unless it does really well and then they're gonna do more. So potentially bearing the name, the Conjuring, the last rights. So yeah, so that's one more coming up. I do have-- - So, not to cut you off on that. It says last rights, but again, the Warrens, 'cause if you guys listen to Obsession By, it's the mini episode. The Warrens had like hundreds of cases they did, so they're really, they're untapped. So there's a ton of stories gonna be out. This is a money-making franchise. - It does. - So, this isn't, this is endless. That one last rights might just be the title of that movie, but there's definitely gonna be more to cut. - Well, I didn't, did I say that it was the last one? I said there's one more movie. - Of the franchise. Yeah, one more, that's what I'm saying. They're gonna have way more than one more. - No, just saying there's one more movie coming up. It doesn't say that it's the last one. There's just one more coming up next year. - Oh, for the, okay. For next year, then, okay, for 2025. - Mm-hmm. I do have some interesting information to promote the movie. - Sure. - Sure. - I do. (laughing) - So, to promote Annabelle Creation, Warner Brothers, had a short film contest, and it was titled My Annabelle Creation. This shit was like a mile, where contestants had to make a short film, and that felt like the, the film, the intent of it, it was supposed to feel like it could be part of the Conjuring universe, but this resulted in them getting a lot of bad media, and it was really good. - Why's that? - Because they had, so the, the whole thing of this, whoever won this, this contest, it was gonna get a thousand dollars. - Damn. - And a chance to meet the director of Annabelle Creation, David Sandberg, (laughing) and then, in exchange, the studio would legally retain the rights to the story ideas of this short, for up to three years, with the, with the ability to make it a feature film. So they could buy someone's story for, I can't, I think I'm in a typo here. I don't know if it, I wrote down a hundred, but I think it was a thousand. Either way, it's a sort, it's like change. - Well, yeah, it's a contest. - To potentially turn it. - No, I know, but they got a lot of negative. - Yeah. - I mean, yeah, from this, just because, you know, three years, they could turn it into a feature film, and so that, you know, in this place then, the winner would get no, no nothing out of it. - Yeah, residuals from it. - So it did go as planned, and then someone called Julian Terry, he made a short called The Nurse. It was picked for a feature film. Things kind of settled down, the dust settled down after a while, and they did end up kind of compensating him after all the heat and the negativity that they received. And he ended up directing his own debut film with Legendary Entertainment and in the picture company. The movie, the film The Human is called They Hear It, and it was like a two-minute long, horror short. The plot of the story is that children were attracted to a mysterious noise called The Sound against their best interest. So it's kind of learning the kids. The story they said is comparable to it, and I'm on Elm Street, and they were gonna give him a modest budget, similar to one of Sunberg's short films called Lights Out. - Right, okay. - So interesting little promo that they had going on. - Nice. - Yeah. - Okay, sorry if you hear a little worm in the background there. So cool, that's pretty fascinating, so they're trying to work on getting other things into the conjuring universe. I have a couple of things. So the conjuring universe I wanted to talk about a little bit, and I wrote down kind of some stuff. What makes the conjuring universe truly unique in horror cinema is the way, sorry guys, we got someone rudely on their phone, what's up? Just kidding me, I know we love you. Anyways, truly unique in horror cinema is the way it has established a shared mythology that spans across multiple films, creating a cohesive narrative, unlike other horror franchises, which may have standalone sequels or loosely connected spin-offs, the conjuring universe ties everything back to the real-life paranormal investigators of Ed and Lorraine Warren. And the movies that we have that started off was the conjuring 2013, and then you had Annabelle in 2014, the original Annabelle, and you had conjuring two in 16, and the nun in 18, I didn't realize the nun came out in 2018. And then after that, you have the curse of, how do you say it, La Lorraine? La Llorona. La Llorona. Which we're gonna be covering in a couple months. I'm pretty excited about that, and then you have Annabelle Comes Home in 2019, they're busy in 19. And then the conjuring, the devil maybe do it in 21, I've seen that. So, ultimately the conjuring universe is a master class in horror storytelling, where even the smallest details tie into a larger narrative. It's a rare example of how a horror franchise can be both commercially successful and critically engaging, all while maintaining a cohesive story that spans multiple films. As fans, we keep coming back, not just from the scares, but for the thrill of seeing how each piece fits into the ever-expanding supernatural puzzle. So, with that, I'm not saying every piece fits really well. I think sometimes they've heard the term crowbarring in things, where they kind of force it. Like, it's like, oh, that's not super like, like in this one, we'll cover it, where the nun was in the picture when she shows the gentleman in the picture, who's that fourth nun, and it's the nun? They crowbarred that in there, but at the same time, I can kind of appreciate it 'cause they did, they almost borderline the movie, kind of like Marvel, the way I compare Marvel is, each movie is a promotion for the next movie. - Oh, yeah. - So, I think they kind of fall on that line, where they tread it very carefully, but it's almost a promo for the next. Like, oh, here's a little bit piece. - Or it's like, a man, really? I mean, let's just enjoy the film we're watching now. Why do you have to do all this little things? - So, for fans of the Conjuring, though, that was an exciting thing. - No, and I do like that stuff. I think it's cool. I don't nerd out with the rest of you guys, but just sometimes I'm like, get a little more creative about it. Maybe more a little, I like subtlety when I stumble upon it. Like, I'm like, oh shit, on the wall or something. I see something that they don't necessarily point out or draw attention to. - Okay. - Does that make sense? - Yeah. - I kind of like that. - To pay extra attention? - Yeah, 'cause I like the details, the devil's in the details. That's what I like. I don't know how you feel about that. - I like it. - Huh. Okay, get me Anna, I like it. No, like, what are your thoughts on the Conjuring universe? - I haven't watched all of them. I watched the first Conjuring. - I liked it. - I think I've seen all the Conjurings. - I watched maybe the second one. I accidentally watched the Curse of La Jorona. I didn't know that was part of the universe until I was doing research, and I was like, that's why I didn't like it. - So I didn't realize that either. I'm gonna tell the research, I'm like, oh shit, but it makes sense. It has the same aesthetics of the rest of the universe. - No. - But what's in that movie that ties it to these, I can remember? - There's The Camille by Anna Bo. And that's the reason, when I watched like the Curse of La Jorona, I didn't know that it was part of this fucking thing. And I watched it, and I wanted it so bad to be its own story, because I don't know how long you're on that. - It is its own story. - No, now when you put Annabelle in there. - I don't know. - They're connecting it to the universe, but it's its own story. It's so, in the mini episode of Sotron Bites, I talk about it a little bit more, but they're tying these guys together, but it's more of the paranormal, these entities are all across the world. Like they're spread out, and there's these powers that are kind of wreaking havoc around like the none, like Annabelle, like La Jorona. - Are they gonna pull in the exorcist? - Well, no, that's not part of, they don't probably own the rights. They don't probably own the rights. But whatever they buy, I mean, they technically they could, if they bought the rights to it, they could tie that in. - Well, if they're just gonna start making everything that's haunted and possessed be part of the universe, I didn't like it. I think that any dude, I don't know. - Annabelle's not possessed. - No, she's a conduit for the demon, but the conjuring the movie, I mean, there was a double possession there in demon. So if any of the listeners out there, I have a request. - A lot, so I, real quick, well, that thought, a lot of this you gotta remember are tied to the warns. So it's stories that they had that were kind of intertwined to this. - I just don't know where the, you don't wanna ties up to them. - That one, I'm not sure I gotta do a little more research, but it has some sort of bearing, I think. - Meh. - Yeah, I'm not saying it's like the most accurate thing in the world. They've been known, either way, I don't wanna put my thoughts on them, but whether I'll let you guys decide whether they're hoax or a scam or if they're real. - I think they're tied to it. - Problem to us, La Yorona is a very cultural thing. - Yeah. - So growing up, it was part of, it's like having the boogeyman for us. It was La Yorona. So you grow up and everybody knows the story, La Yorona and growing up, and they scare you with La Yorona, your parents, you know? That's the our big boogeyman. And in all of a sudden, this fucking bitch is tied to Annabelle, and I'm like, no, it's a cultural story. Like, I just, okay, my request was-- - But the story is tied to the culture somewhat, although I think it's in California, right? - It's in place in California. - I wish they would have done it in Mexico. - Mexico. - It would have been nice. - And so-- - And if it was dominantly in Spanish, would have been nice too. - Yeah, and it's not. And then, so yeah, they made it their own twist. I know there's other movies out there, but I just haven't, my request was, if anyone has any recommendations for a good La Yorona movie that's based-- - Yeah, let us know. - For the original story, the cultural aspect in Latin America, send us an email, I wanna know. Like we mentioned, there's another La Yorona that came out in 2019 that's based in-- - That's this one. - No, it's not this one. - Oh, we did see the other one, okay. - It's based, I can't remember where it was made. - You know it would be a good one to take that on. It would be our boy, Ranga. - Oh, the La Yorona. - I would love to see his vision of that. - Yeah, we should send him a message. - You'd go really dark with it. - Like, sir, we have a request. - But it's got everything he needs. It's got children dying, it's got all that, man. - Oh, it would be scary. - I think he would take it, it would be in good hands if he did that. Damien Ranga would be in good fucking hands with him, man. We should write him. - Orgillermo El Toro, he wanted to go really-- - So you gotta be careful with him. You gotta be careful with him, 'cause sometimes he adds, and he's a great director, but sometimes he gets, he likes the fantastic-- - Yeah, it would have been a good cultural story. - I don't like the whimsical stuff. Sometimes he throws that whimsical stuff in it, and that throws me for a loop. I want a hardcore scare. I want a Ranga, like, in your face, kicking your pants. Like, fuck, this just fucked my life up kind of movie. - I would take either or, so if any of one of them wanted to do, give us two versions. Give us the total version. - I want you to. - Give us the little version. We'll have a little bit of a mix in there. - And I would love to watch both of them. - I just, I think that was a thing where I was like, really, like, I know that Annabelle and all this possessed things, and you as a very tight to the warrants, and I'm like, another taking this, you know, cultural Latin American character, and then now they're like, oh, here it is. Throw it in the universe. I think that's where it kind of, like, lost me. - Oh, yeah, I totally get that. So another, one more thing, just to touch it, another standout aspect is how director James Wan and his collaborators built a horror universe, again, to like, I'll say in the comic book, Cinematic Universe, each film feels like a chapter in a larger story with new characters introduced, some who will spin off into their own terrifying tales, while others remain to haunt the warrants. Even though different directors have taken the reins for individual films, the thematic and visual consistency remains intact, preserving the sense of dread and continuity across all films. - Okay. - Yeah, so, yeah, that's kind of, do you have any more on the Conjuring Universe, other than the fact you hate it? La La Llorona? - The Curse of La Llorona? - Yeah. - I think I watched a couple of the insidious movies, didn't we watch The Last One, The Red Door, or whatever it was? - Those ones aren't, I don't think they're part of the Conjuring Universe, though. - Yeah, they have, I guess, maybe I got confused, but they have to say after. - It's just Patrick Wilson, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's the same kind of genre that he does. Yeah, so I can see the mistake. - No, I think, I don't know that I watched the, I watched the none, I wasn't fully dedicated to it when I was watching, it was more kind of like happening, so I wasn't too, I don't know, I get it, it was the possession and everything, but it wasn't like super original, and I feel like I've seen other possessed nuns before. - Oh, you don't like the none. - I didn't think it was that scary when I watched it. - Oh, we're yet to see the none too, I haven't seen that yet. - I haven't seen it. - I've been eyeing it on, I wanted to see it in theaters, but again, for some reason, I don't see the Conjuring movies in theaters, but I keep seeing on Max, I wanna watch it. Maybe we'll watch it tonight. - The other one was. - Or should we save it for another episode? - Me can watch it, doesn't mean that better. - I know, but like that first experience with a movie is always nice to capture on recording. - The one, I don't think that I watch Annabelle comes home, I know they just-- - You watched a little bit in the beginning. - We watched a little bit last night, I know we watched Annabelle and it's entire, that's why I feel like watching some of the Conjuring, some of like the first Annabelle. - Yeah. - I think this Annabelle creation was the one that got me the most. - Do you know who loves this franchise? - Who? - This universe, she's downstairs. - Oh really? - Yeah, Mad Dog Matheson. - Shout out, T-Rex, what's her username? - T-Rex hands, huh? - T-Rex. - Wow, we're terrible friends. - Opening. - Not a Kelsey. - Opening a tab though, we need tonight because we're recording so early and we're kind of down and out and feeling like dog poo, we should just chill out and watch Salem's Lot that came out. - For real? - I wanna watch it, dude. - Traveling Rex. - Yeah, traveling Rex. - We love you. - Love you, holla, holla, holla, holla. (laughing) No, yeah, Salem's Lot tonight. - We need a picture of Benton for the gram. - Oh, fuck, dude, what an adorable little guy. That's my, I'm in Gito. - Traveling Rex about Richard's dog, a chucky, Halloween costume, and he looks adorable. - He has a wig on right now. - That's funny. Anyways, let's close that tab. - Why, it's fine. - Mad Dog Matheson, I'll let you boy. (laughing) - How about your boy? - Anyways, so this is the fourth installment of the universe. Do you have anything before we get into the cast? - No, hey, yeah, let us know. If anyone out there has watched any of the other movies in the Conjuring universe. - Your thoughts and opinions. - Yeah, which one did you like the best, and which one did you think was the scariest? And then maybe we'll re-watch and go back on it. - Bond with Angeles with hating La La Rona. - Please, and send me a good my Yodona to watch. - She's acting like it to follow, let's get out of here. - It's terrible. - If your first time listeners, I'm sorry. I'm not a complete douchebag, but you'll know that it follows is not my fondness movie, so. - It's not for Richard. - Not for me. - Not for me. - But yeah, thank you for a long time listeners too. You guys are awesome. (laughing) - Cast. - Do you want to get in the cast? Do you have anything else? Do you want to run fun facts or? - I'll run fun, fun, fun facts if I can talk. - During the scene, Christine? - I have some stuff at the end. - Okay. - At the bottom of my little old notes. - Okay, so we can move to the cast. How did you feel about this cast? - I like it, I recognize at least a couple of little faces. - So I know Samuel Mullins, Anthony La Peglia, you know, where I remembered him from. I used to watch this show with my mom. - Oh, he swallows universe. - Without a trace, 2002 to 2009. Played the lead role as Jack Malone. He did earn a gold and globe and I watched him earn it. I don't know why I love that show. 2002, I was 13 years old. I don't know why, 2002, 2003. Without a trace, like a purse of vanishes and then like, it's like a cold case. Almost, I want to say, maybe not. And then it's been a while, but then Jack Malone and his team find it and figure it out. - The boy? - Yeah, what? - You said it's like someone goes missing. - Well, yeah, I don't know if it's a boy. Yeah, sure, maybe in some episodes, but. - Okay, so people go missing. - Yeah, it's like a series, like a TV show. - Oh, okay, okay. Thanks, Piles, just kidding. - What I have is he's an Australian actor of Italian descent, shout out, who gained prominent in both film and television. He is known for his versatility, playing everything from comedic to deeply dramatic roles. We mentioned without a trace, he was in a show in 2001 called Lentenia. He was in "The Client" in 1994, and "Empire Records" in '95. And I don't remember him in this, but I don't remember the movie a whole lot, but so I married an axe murderer with Mike Myers in 1993. - I don't think I've seen that. - Yeah, but he did all right in this. I'm not saying it was his best acting, but he did pretty good. - Okay, and then we have Talitha Eliana, Bateman, as Janice. She's a pretty young actress. She's been in a few movies here and there. The Hive in 2014, "First Born", "Love Simon", just between us, "Countdown", and more recently, in a way, it was a TV show in 2020. - Whoa, she also played Gerard Butler's daughter in "Geostorm". - Oh my God. - Yeah, she was pretty good. I don't think I've seen any of that, but I thought she did all right. - She did pretty good. - Then we have... - A star. - Well, no, we have another one, Miranda Otto. - Okay. - So she plays "Esther Mullens", the mother. - Oh, yeah. - And that's bedridden. So she's an acclaimed Australian actress, best known for her roles in high profile Hollywood blockbusters and independent films. She is the daughter of actor, Barrio. But the notable filmography that I know her from is "Lord of the Rings", "The Two Towers", and "The Return of the King". So that was pretty awesome. And then she played in "24", "Legacy", the Jackie Robinson story, the chilling adventures of Sabrina, the teenage witch. She played Anselda, and then "World of the Worlds". I remember in that too. - She was also in "Talk to Me". - She was. - Yeah, she was due the clearing TV show and then more recently in another TV show about seeing this in "Black". - I've seen her in a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I like her in this. Then we have Lulu Wilson playing Linda. - She is the one I recognize. - You do? - I do. - Okay, let's talk about her. - She's an upcoming star. She was on more well known, "Deliver Us From Evil". So she's been, I've seen her in a lot of life. - "Deliver Us From Evil" is a good one. I've seen that in theaters. - Steering movies, she was in "The Mailers". - It's a Jerry Bruckheimer movie. - A TV show, we remember her from Ouija origin of evil. She played the little girl. She was in "The Hunting of Hail House", a TV show, and then she more recently has had her own debut films, Becky, and then-- - Oh, Becky too. - "The Wrath of Becky". - We gotta watch those. - And then more recently she's working on something called "Wonderland", and she plays Alice. It hasn't come out yet. - Nice. I'm glad she got out of the black hole of Mike Flanagan. - She was a thing with Mike Flanagan, my lord. - I'm kidding, shout out, I have nothing against him. Just not my type of horror storytelling. And then we have Stephanie Sigman. She plays Sister Charlotte. She is an a Mexican-American actress known for her international break through in Mexico, or in Mexican cinema, and later for her roles in major Hollywood films and television series, she played Miss in Miss Baliyah in 2011. Drug war, the role earned her critical acclaim. She played Spectra in 2015, Narcos in 2015, and then Swat. It looks like that was a TV series, 2017, 2019. I don't think, I've never seen Narcos, but I don't think I've seen any of these. Have you? - I've seen a bit of Narcos. - Did you notice her? - I didn't get too far into it. It's on my watch list. - So Inspector, that's a James Bond movie. I don't remember her in that. - She played Estella. - First Mexican Bond girl, that's a pretty big moment. - Is she? - Yeah. - Okay. - That's cool. She played portrayed Australia. - Australia. - E-S-T-E-R-E-L-L-A. - Estella. - Oenka. - Star. - Star. - Star. - Star. - And then we have Samara Lee, Annabelle B. Mullins. So she's a young actress, known her breakout role in Annabelle Creation. Though still early in the career, she has shown great potential in playing eerie, unsettling characters. She is kind of a creepy girl. She's in The Last Witch Hunter. Isn't that a Vin Diesel? Yeah, Vin Diesel movie. And then Concussion, she played Gracie, the daughter of Will Smith's character. - Okay. - Does that make sense? - The daughter of Will Smith's daughter, now I say her grand daughter? (laughing) - You can't say it, I can't do it, I can't say it. You can say it. (laughing) It just doesn't make sense, I don't know. She's pasty white. - We're gonna start referring to Rosie as your daughter, as my daughter's daughter's daughter's (laughing) - Okay, that's cool. And then it must be a step daughter in that one, but Boxcatcher in 2004. - I think you're right. (laughing) - I'm just saying that is crazy, but I've never seen Concussion, so I don't know. - Jesus. - Oh. - Keep breathing in Richard. - Boxcatcher in 2014 had a small role in the critically acclaimed film starring Steve Carell and Channing Tatum. I don't know, I think I've seen that. Is that three old guys? - What is it? - Boxcatcher. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I never see yet. - We're Steve Carell's son dies or some shit. - I don't know. - And then we have Mark Bramhall, Bramhall. He plays Father Massey. He had things in Star Trek, amnesiac. I can't, I don't know. - Amnesiac. - Amnesiac and then Preacher. - A Reach. - Yep, and we got a couple more, a few more, I guess. Philip. - Felipe? - Yeah, Felipe Clark. - I'm going to be here on "Born Tile" when we have Mark Felipe. - Cool part. She plays Nancy and she's another Australian actress. Man, we got a lot of Australian actress known for her work and TV series films, both in Australia and internationally. Notable films that I got were "The Catch" in 2017. - And what is your cat? - I don't know. (laughs) - Do I want to know? And then, nowhere boys, I am number four. I do know the movie, but I don't know if I noticed her. Who is Nancy in this? I'm trying to... - One of the older teen girls. - Okay, "Secrets and Lies" was the last thing I had. Then we have Grace Fulton. She plays Carol, is she another older girl? - Yeah, it's one of the other. - She was in Shazam and then revenge and painted horses. And the last actor that I got here is Taylor Buck. And this is, she plays Kate. And she was in, she's pretty small roles, but "People vs. OJ", American crime story in '16, and "Wonderstruck" in 2017. - Okay. - Yeah, so that's the cast. You know, not great, not poor. Just kind of in between. - Not very, not poor. - Do you want to move to the director? - We got James Wan. - Oh yeah, someone else for the director. - Oh, is it, it's what's his name, Samberg, isn't it? Or is he the original? - David Sandberg. - He was the director? - He directed "Anabelle Creation" and then Wan directed some of the other conjuring universe movies. - Oh, okay. - But for this one is specific. - I musta! - No, it was, okay. I musta went on a different, like, rabbit hole and then just didn't correct myself. - Oh. - How bad, guys? - Well, look. - Well, he has some sort of involvement, doesn't he? - Who? Wan? - No, not with this one. So, David Sandberg, he's a Swedish film director, known for directing the superhero comedy film "Shazam." - Oh, he didn't. - And the horror films "Light Out" and, in this case, "Anabelle Creation." He's also done voiceovers for "Mr. Mind" at the end of "Shazam." And he has a few other credits of short horror films in his career. Something interesting about him, he didn't go to film school. He learned everything from "Savante" Roseberg. It was a film commissioner who ran the company that he used to work for. I can't pronounce it, it's Swedish. - Give it a try. Go ahead, give it a try. - No, I can't, look at it. You tell me if you can read this right here. It starts with the J film, hi. - "Junko Ping." - This is stupid. - I'll try, there ain't no shame in this game. - Junko, and who Sandberg considers his mentor. So initially, coming into "Anabelle Creation," he was very reluctant to direct it because he doesn't, he's not a fan himself of horror sequels. So he was like, I know. - Horror sequels are just horror in general. - Horror sequels. - I mean, dude, come on. Don't be that smug to where you can't do a goddamn horror sequel. - Oh my God. So that's what I've got out of what you were just saying. He's just too smug and too good for it. - So eventually he didn't change his mind and when they told him that he would be making a stand-alone prequel to "Anabelle" with no major obligations to connect to any of the other films. - Which it does. - But you wanna brief you references like you mentioned and then he was inspired by the movie "The Hunting," the 1963 and then the score of "The Shining." Some of his trademarks that I saw for the movie, which I can't see. I think out of the movies that he's made, I watched obviously this one and I should say him. His trademark is, his films often have children in leading roles and he has groups of orphans. (laughs) Which both of the movies I've seen, it's-- - He's one of those guys, huh? - No. Some of his credits that he has, he was a director, writer, and producer on a short film called "All Quiet Now," a writer/producer on "Addick Panic," director/writer of another short come "Lights Out," and then of course his big breakup in "Shazam," the 2019 one. "Shadow 20," "Nada Loning" here, came out in 2020 as well. I flip you off for four hours. See, little ads? Oh, actually, he made the second one too. Shazam, "Fear We Have Gods." - Oh, he did a sequel. - He did. - Okay, cool. - It wasn't horror. - Huh, cool. - And then the last one that I have here is "Camp Closer," this two, in 2023 and "Road Director" and produced that one. - Cool. - Did you like him? - You know, he didn't do a bad job. His suspense work is really good in this. - Yeah. - I thought he tapped into it well. - Happy to tap, tap, tap. - So yeah, no, I liked him. And then I did, I do have the writer for this. Gary Doberman, is that who you have? - Mm-hmm. - So this guy I've noticed does, he's pretty tied into horror, but he's tied into this conjuring stuff. - Yeah. - Which makes sense. It kind of, he found his, kind of his mark. So Gary was born in Pennsylvania, United States. His journey into film industry began with a passion for horror, which he later transformed into a successful career writing for major horror franchises. His career is best known for his work within the conjuring universe, where he has played a key role in expanding the lore of the franchise through its screenwriting and later directing. He has a knack for tapping into fear through atmospheric tension and character driven horror. His writing often focuses on supernatural elements, cursed objects and the impact of horror on family and community dynamics. Now, that makes sense because James Wan is similar. So these guys are teaming up together pretty much almost driving this conjuring universe. Him more so, 'cause he's been part of everything. - Oh yeah. - Like he's been Annabelle, animal creation. He did it, both one and two. He was part of that. And then the nun, the curse of La La Llorona. (laughing) - You guys were gonna get Richard to say. (laughing) - Annabelle comes home and then he just, he did the works, which we're gonna watch later tonight. Salem's Lot, 2024 baby. Holla, Holla, Holla. I'm so happy it wasn't Mike Flanagan's shenanigans in that. - Oh my gosh, we'll give this man alone. - He just drags things way too much. - You don't like him, I like him. - I just hate long storytelling. Like, you made a 10 episode series when it could have been three, bro. - I love the shit out of it. - It could have been three. - I love it. - That's all I'm saying. You could take out. - I love it. I like the story, I like the drama, I like the tension, the build up, there's just so much in family. - Give me the meat and potatoes, man. I don't need to agree. - Listen, I'm like, she's male, okay? I need everything. - And a lot of people do. I am the minority on that one, but I just, oh my, Lanta. - Oh my, Lanta. I did also see that he has, he did some unaccredited production rewinds on final destination five, and then I'm here on Elm Street. - Yeah. Yeah, so Gary Doberman. So his signature styles, supernatural horror, focus, Doberman's writing off and centers around the supernatural elements, and then character driven horror, which I can really enjoy. I like when horror, unlike, what was the movie we just watched? Had no character-- - Oh my gosh, you guys. A violent nature, holy-- - All these fucking TikTokers, man. Going hard on how good it was. The kills were spectacular. - The kills were good. - But there was no character death. There was no story, really. Other than the dude's locket from his mom got taken off his grave, and then he woke up and went on a killing rampage. - You know whatever it reminded me of. - But there was nothing, there was no substance. It was all junk food. - And this movie fits into the clerks, too, when they're making fun of Lord of the Rings about movie about just walking. - Just keep walking, yeah. - There's nothing happening. Just fucking walking. - But at least you're getting character building. This one had no character building. - I told you, it could have been like, what, 10 minute movie? - It really could have been, you could have gave me a 15 minute clip of his kills, because those were all really good. - Oh, spoiler if anyone has watched a violent nature. - Yes, the kills are spectacular. I do recommend watching it for that. But if you're looking for a story, and you know, some like weight to it, you're barking up the wrong tree. This had nothing. I honestly, I probably wouldn't either. I can watch YouTube and watch the clerks. - I thought you were falling asleep for a second. I kind of was really out of it. - Dude, I was scrolling on my phone. I was bored in between, I was bored in between watching it. And then when he did, because the kills, how it lays out, is there's one off screen, then there's one on screen. There's one off screen kill, then there's one on. - I know you know, I'm really sick. Yeah, we're like, once on one top. - Well, that's the problem with that movie. It was too predictable. And like, in all honesty, I really think I could have created something better than that. - Richard, I love that. - Give me, no, give me a Tom Savini, or someone that could be creative with the kills. I can do that all day long. I can imagine some pretty great kills. And if a guy could do the practical effects for me, I could have done that project. I'm not trying to be arrogant, I'm just saying. That one I could have captured. (laughs) - It was not the, not the greatest. - But anyways, that was character driven. And I think Gary Dauberman does a really good job at that. And then his interconnected storytelling, he's really good at writing for that. And collaborations with James Wan, which I was pointing out. Dauberman's frequent collaborations with the director, James Wan, have played a significant role in shaping the universe. Together, they've created a successful franchise that blends real life horror, supernatural dread, and inner woven narratives. - Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. - So that's what I have. Do we wanna take a quick commercial break? - Let's do it. - This week's ad is a pretty good one, guys. So please listen and let us know how you like it. All right, we'll be right back. We need a crafty, a Shelby's craft corner. They believe every project has life in its own, but not literally, of course. 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(laughs) Visit Shelby's craft corner today because crafting should be fun, not for writing. Shelby's craft corner, crafting creativity or potential chaos, one stitch at a time. (gentle music) You do that every time, squeaking my ears. - It wasn't my fault. - What, you get the mic so you get it so close your headphones. - It doesn't like me. - Anyways, guys, hopefully you liked Shelby's craft corner. They're great. They're satan worshipers, it's awesome. A real great thing. - Yeah, that's part of local businesses. (laughs) - Hala. (laughs) - Holy. - Anyways, how was your break? - It was good. I went and they cleared my nasal passage. - You did? (laughs) - I know. - Yeah. - I sat in silence. Listen to my beautiful voice. - I know. - I love my recordings. (laughs) Guys, I record self affirmation eclipse. I just listened to it over and over again. - Sure, you can do this. - You are more than enough. - Yeah, you're enough. (laughs) - Just joke you guys, I don't feel that weird. (laughs) Ah, fuck you, dude. (laughs) - No, I don't, for you. - I'm gonna start recording, I'm for you. - I'm gonna start recording for you. (laughs) - For Chancho. - I'll be like, no. - Oh my God. So yeah, we're back. - B-A-C-K-P-P-P-P-P-P. - Now, did you have time to write a plot for this one? - No, I Googled it. - Oh, really? - No. - I did it, 'cause otherwise you were gonna be like, Angelino, no, no. - Oh, no. - I would have exploded. So okay, let's go on this journey together. Let's hear yours first. - Why am I, why am I first? - I'm more, because this is how it works. - That it works. - Mm-hmm. - For my plot, this week I have animal creation as a recipe for orphans and creepy toys. The mollens, in trying to make amends for their fuckups, take in a bus full of little girls where a soul sucking demon lurks in a closet. Or so they think, Janice quickly becomes the next snack as the demon dangles things she's lacked of in her life, like a bedroom, puppets, a secret diary, and toys. While the other girls make up dreams of their perfect adopter family, Janice unknowingly made the deal of a lifetime, her soul, for a play date. ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba ♪ - Wow, snap up, snap up. - Thank you. - So mine wasn't as good for that, I'll give you the win on this one, I'm gonna read mine, but maybe I fell a little flat this week. - Oh, so knee upies. - Animal creation, we uncover the chilling backstory of the creepiest doll around. A grieving doll maker and his wife invite a group of orphans into their home, and when one girl finds a locked, away doll, things take a spooky turn. Unlike Chucky, Animal doesn't need to chant voodoo spells or hold sandwiches, she just sits there, looking creepy and somehow makes everything worse. This movie will make you reconsider keeping any dolls in the house, especially if they like to stare. - Peepy and Thomas. - Yeah, Peepy Thomas. (laughing) - Peepy and Thomas. (laughing) - So yeah, mine isn't that great, I'll give you the win. - College, you won a secret? - What? - I wrote it in like three minutes when you were like-- - I wrote mine in like three too. - When you were like yelling around and being like, you said, you listened. - What? - I'm kidding. - Oh my god. - I wrote it on the way here, in my head. - You did? - It's in my head. - Shut the front door, get outta here. - I did, and I was like, fingers to work. - Ah, cool, so Mike, no, it's got cut off for some reason, I don't have my scene for scenes. - Oh, shit. - But you know what, my mind's like a steel trap, baby, I got this, but you're gonna have to keep-- - You lied to me? - You're gonna have to keep this on the straight and narrow. I had it, it just didn't save. - I think Richard is flipping you guys. - I did not fib. - Well, I will try, my voice is going, I keep sneezing. - Well, good news, we do a podcast that isn't alive, so we can always-- - You're gonna cut off all my sneezing? - Well, no, but we can always revisit. - Why would we revisit? - Just in case you can't make it. I'll try to resuscitate, but I can't promise anything. - Just smack me around, bring me some, some vapor rub. - Oh, dude, that Vix vapor rub, you do. So, guys, being part of a Mexican family, you learn that Vix vapor rub, you learn that Vix vapor rub solves everything. Do you have any ailment? Any ailment. - You're the liar. - Maria and Angelus, they rub, vapor rub on my feet, dude. - No, we didn't. - And they were fanning me with, oh, you felt was crazy. - We put it on your bag, Stufid, in your chest. - And the bottom of feet. - I didn't touch your feet. - I'm like, this is weird, I just have heartburn. You're like, this hell. - You fucking liar. - Next time you have a cold, I'm gonna be like, "Hm, kick rocks, Richard." - Fuck. No, baby, I love when you rub me down with Vix. (laughing) I can't baby oil, it's vapor rub. - Baby, remember nothing, dog. I love it when you bust that out. That means you're gonna start feeling good in no time. - You like that, though. - I'm not so good. - It makes you, you can breathe. - I know. - You can, like, sleep. - Mm-hmm. - What else? - Everything. - Yeah, everything. - I'm pretty sure it cures cancer. - Maybe. - Or it gives you the cancer, come on, or the two. - I don't know. But any hoozles, let's start with the opening scene. - Yeah, what happens in the opening scene? - I don't know, on my notes. (laughing) - I'm just kidding. - I was in your noggin. - No, we open in, we pan into Mr. Mullins working in his workshop, right? He's making it. What appears to be, I think it's assuming he's making the Annabelle doll. - The OG motherfucking. - Yeah, and it showed he pretty much branded it and then put out of 100. So 100 of these dolls are made, and this was number one. I'm assuming this is Annabelle. - Mm-hmm. - And he gave this one to his daughter, at some point. So yeah, he's making that, and we're kind of seeing a look in his, the garage/work area. There's doll parts hanging everywhere. Some are broken, some are mangled. But it's a shop. You're seeing them put together the doll. The creepy eyes are being plugged in. Pretty cool sequence, I think. - He has a toy making business though. - Yeah, the Mullins or whatever. I forgot what the business is called. Are you getting your no time? - No, I'm relaying that you're bringing today. (laughing) - Ah, come on. - It's all the Mullins toy company finest he had crafted dolls made with love and care for little girls, memories, and the making. And he does have a picture of Annabelle. So I don't know if this is what he was using as a model to like, you see a picture of the face. - Right. - That's gonna go. - What a creepy ass picture, man. You couldn't have done a better job. - So did we establish when this took, was it in the '70s, '80s? - No, this was in either like, because the none was happening in like 1950, that none was there. Whatever this none's name, I forgot her name. - Charlotte? - Yeah, she was there, remember that picture? So this one is-- - No, she said she didn't know who she was. - She didn't know who she was, but she was there in Romania and-- - In the movie? - Okay. (laughing) She, dude, she was there, and she was obviously, the none was there. So that was roughly 1950. So this one, given the clothes, I'm assuming was 1960s. Because then the '70s, at the end of the movie, we're gonna fast forward, it shows the connection to the other Annabelle movies, and it shows the Charles Manson kind of stuff going on. So it might be the late '50s. - Okay, when was it placed in the country? Okay, Annabelle Creation, prequel, blah, blah, blah, blah, expands. - It's '50s or '60s. - 1958 is when they move into an orphanage. - Okay, so yeah, 1958, 1960, it's that era. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - So that's the point. - 'Cause that makes sense, because the nun spent the early '50s in Romania, where the nun, Valik, is. - Okay. - Yeah. Yeah. See, I pay attention. You're acting like I didn't watch the movie. - Yes. - I did. - I watched it twice. - And then you're... Okay. Sorry, there was another article about it, but I didn't say it was hiding under weird things. - Mm. - Mm. - Okay, so yeah, in his workshop to get back to the movie, in the workshop, he gets a note slid underneath. You hear these little feet pitter-pattering through, and a note gets slid underneath the door. He turns around. - Yeah, 1958. - He turns around and grabs it, and what's it say that says, "Come find me?" ♪ Um, ton ton ton ♪ Yeah, come find me. - And so this is a good time where I think he's taking a break from working and making these dolls, and he goes out. You don't know quite what to expect. At least I didn't with this. I thought, "Oh, is this..." Like, not the doll, because obviously the doll doesn't move, but I'm like, "Oh, could this be supernatural?" 'Cause it kind of leads you into that. 'Cause you don't see the little girl yet. - Yeah. - But he ends up going inside, and there was another note. It says something else, right? - He picks up another piece of paper, but he doesn't, I didn't see him up in it. And he keeps going and goes into the dining room. - Closer or something it says. - So it's down a note on like-- - Well, he sees, he steps into the living room, and then he sees the, "What is it, the drapes move?" And then he's like, "Oh." And then he puts, he writes on the note and leaves it on the piano. And then he walks away. And then when the girl finally peeks outside, and this is his daughter, Annabelle, who peeks outside the drapes, goes and grabs the note, and then as she reads it, it says, "Found you." And then her dad pops out and scares her. And then they have a little moment. The mom, this is introducing pretty much the original core here. The mom, what's her name? - Esther. - Yeah, Esther. What's the dad's name? - Samuel. - Samuel, and then Annabelle. And they're all playing, it really paints the picture that they're a loving family, right? - Yeah. And then they put a little, they call her B. - Yeah, that's her nickname, B. - They put her to bed, and then she has a little music box. - Yeah. - And her mom plays my little sunshine for her to go to sleep. - Which they kind of try to make it creepy, that creepy sounding old vinyl. - Old music box? - Yeah, which they're playing, and the kids happy. The next day, they get ready for church, right? And they go to church? - Yeah, they're leaving this church, and then B asks her mom. - When they get home, they can play with some toys. And then this other gentleman at the church approach is Samuel, and he's like, "Hey, how's my order coming along?" - And he's the toy store owner. - Yeah, and he's like, "Oh, I'm working on it." And he's like, "Hey," he's like, "We need more of your dolls." - Yeah, we can't keep these on the shelves. They're flying off the shelves. - Yeah, and Esther pops in, and she's like, "Hey, like send your son over, like they're ready." - He can pick it up tomorrow. - Yeah. And so, they're driving home, the Mullens. They go home, and on the way home, it appears that they got a flat tire. So, you see them, they're pulled over. Samuel's working on the car. - He's struggling with getting the lugs off the tire. - Yeah, and then we see Annabel sitting on the front bumper with a doll, that she's holding, and they're just kind of waiting. He's really frustrated. He can't get it out, and then he finally-- - It busts off, and it goes into the middle of the street, right? - Yeah. - Her middle of the dirt road, and by this time, you see a car just bustin' ass down the road. - Yeah, so Annabel, being a good little helper, she's like, "I'll get it, the lug, the rolled out." And she steps out into the middle of the road, and-- - This car just fuckin' bam. - Hands her over. - Dude, that kind of imagery still gets me. I know it's fake, but man, whenever you see kids like that, just gettin' hit by a car like that, there's a couple movies we've seen like that. - And then we fast forward 12 years. - There's a cross on the road, and it says, "Be on it." - Well, notice the theme on this, because it seems like every 12 years this happens, Annabel comes out, 'cause throughout the movie, especially at the end, it shows 12 years later. 12 years later, like twice. - At the beginning and at the end? - No. Well, three times, technically, in the beginning here, 12 years and then the orphans come, but then it's 12 years later, she's adopted. - So correction, it was two 12 years later, beginning in the end. I thought when she was adopted though, that it was a 12 year mark, but maybe, I guess I just don't know where she went. Like, she was on the bus and she was in a goddamn desert. - There was a town nearby, maybe she could have hitchhiked with someone? - How far though? - And they never specified how far the town is, but-- - It's pretty long, long, long, though. Or, hey, like, the possessed things, they can go. They can survive deserts, storms, winters. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you know about desert storms? - Summer's, I'm just saying, if it was, if she was possessed at the time, she could have-- - Okay. - Troubled lengths. - That makes sense. - Maybe the well is a conduit to the town, I don't know. - That makes sense. So, okay, so 12 years later, a whole bunch of orphans. Orphan annies, calm down, what's the church Eureka or? - Eureka. - What's the church that you, Eustis? - That I was-- - On the side of the bus. - Oh. - What is that? - It says, did I write it down? I know I wrote it down, home for girls. - Yeah, Eustis or something? I can't remember. - I don't remember. - So, yeah, that bus, it's a church. They finally found a home. The Moans are ready to take people in, and they had a brief stint of just kind of living alone for a while, it sounds like. Which begs the question, all that we're about to see, and then Mrs. Moans, we're gonna find out what happens to her. Why the hell would you bring anybody into this home? That's what I'm saying. - And you're gonna walk away, Annabelle? - Like, get the hell out of here. - I fucking bury that shit. Why didn't you bury it with a bunch of Bible stuff wrapped around it? Not in the room and then say, "Hey, by the way, don't go in this room." Like, "The fuck?" - I'm like-- - That's the only part of the story I'm like, that's kind of half-assed. You phone that one in, guys. - Or, why wouldn't they take you to a complete different location out of your house? Like, why do you wanna keep-- - That's what I'm saying. - Put it in your workshop, dude, like, and encase it, you know what I mean? Put it somewhere where high traffic, especially when you're gonna have a house full of girls, kids, in a playroom. Of course, they're gonna go in there when you say, "Don't go in there." There's toys. - Yeah. - Like, "God, that's insane." Anyways, I digress. That's just one thing I'm gonna nitpick about the movie was, I don't think they really thought that through very well. I mean, with holiday, we wouldn't have the story, though. - I know, but they could've done a better job of crafting a story that fit, not this. I don't know. I just think it'd be more thought out for these people if they're gonna do it. I don't think we would have the story. Does that make sense? I don't think this would, like, it's not-- - I think they were just hoping for the best. - Right, yeah. 'Cause what brought them, they have this big house. I know that, but what made them the like, "You know what, I'm bedridden, I can't walk." And the husband's like, "You know what, we need-- - Children. - "We need about a dozen people in our house." Like, you know what I mean? It just doesn't make sense. - Well, they just were, I think, I mean, later on, we'll see in the movie, Esther, she makes a comment that it was a bad time to bring other people. They had a bit alone for way too long, but again, if you're gonna bring kids, get that thing out. But she has no shape or form to even be able to talk to these guys. She never leaves her room and doesn't wanna be looked at. - Maybe she just wanted to hear the little voices. - I guess. I'm just, I'm having a hard time believing it, but let's go forward, let's go. That'll be the last time I say that, but-- - Then we meet Linda and Janis during the bus. They're playing with their dolls. They really, really, really wanna be adopted, but a nice wholesome family. - Well, you get a vibe too, they're like best friends, right? They're really close. - Yeah, and then they make a pinky, pinky's wear on the bus that, you know, ideally in the perfect scenario, they wanna be adopted together. So they swear that if a family comes by for any reason doesn't want both of them, like the one will not go. They wanna go somewhere together. - So does this follow her, what's her name? - Not Janis, what's the other one? - Linda. - So she's in the Conjuring Two. Is that her adopted family? - Oh, good question. - Or was it two? - She's in Ouija. - She's in that, but that doesn't have anything to do with Conjuring. - I don't know, I haven't seen-- - I thought she was in like the Conjuring Two, wasn't she? - Maybe. - No, I could be wrong. - I don't think so. - Maybe I'm thinking, maybe I'm mixing Ouija in there together. - You're mixing different little children. They all look the same. - Oh my gosh, now they don't. So yeah, so they make a promise and then we meet the sister Charlotte and she's saying that she's asking how long until they get there and she's talking to the priest. Father, what was his name? - I'm calling her Father O'Malley. He has that thick Irish accent. - Father O'Malley. - She's like, "God damn, you're worse than the kids." - No, he's like, "Hey," he's like, "Just an FYI." Like they're being very generous and they're taking all of the little children inside, but you guys are not gonna be seeing a whole lot of Mrs. Mullins. - Yeah, giving her the cheese, man. - She had an accident years ago and so she kind of keeps to herself. They're like, "Maybe, but this is maybe, "this is a good thing 'cause maybe you guys can help her out "and she doesn't leave her room." And so they get to the house and then you see all the girls come out. There's like six girls in total and then Sister Charlotte. - Yeah. - And then we see that Janice has a braise on her leg. - Yeah, you also get the vibe. This is kind of the last stop for them 'cause they have nowhere else to go. - Yeah. - And they'll keep repeating that a few more times. - Yeah. - You got nowhere which kind of helps the story too where they're like, "You better be on your best favorite. "You didn't see shit, right?" 'Cause they don't want to get kicked out of this house or else it means they won't be together anymore. - Yeah, so they go up to the house and then the Sister Charlotte, she keeps saying that they're not gonna be a burden. They're gonna be in their best behavior. And then this is women a comment that girls, like, burst in the door and they start going through every room on the main floor. - I think naturally you're pretty excited because this thing's like a mansion out in the middle of nowhere. - The floors, cupboards, like, and we see Samuel and he's like, "Oh, yeah, yeah, the TV doesn't work, "but the radio does." - Yeah, 'cause they're like, "Holy shit, we have a TV." - Yeah, and he tells them that him and his wife usually stay downstairs on the main floor, but there's a lot of bedrooms upstairs that they can use. And then Sister Charlotte asks if her and Janice can stay downstairs. Janice had a polio and one of her legs does not work very well, so she can't really go upstairs. So, lo and behold, Samuel installed like one of those electric chairs that goes up the staircase before Mrs. Mullins. And Mrs. Mullins doesn't use it anymore, so Janice is welcome to it. You just need to be buckled up in order to go upstairs. - Yeah. - And so they have Janice sit on it. - Which I thought this would play a part later in the movie. - And try. - It kinda does, but. - And she rolls up, she gets to the top. And then this is where shit starts getting creepy. She gets to the top. She's obviously there by herself first. And on the very far back behind Janice, you see a shadow of a little girl from her back. And I think Janice, she kinda gets a weird vibe and she turns around, but it's gone. - So that part is creepy. She's up there and she doesn't see it yet, and you see that girl walk by. Oh my god. You don't know if it's a girl or not, it kinda looks like a little girl. Walk by creepily and then, yeah, she looks over and it's gone. - Yeah. And then the rest of the girls come up, and then the four oldest ones, they find a bedroom that has a lot of beds in it, so they're making that room. And they are kinda bossy, the two oldest ones. They tell Janice that her and Linda can go find a different bedroom. - Yeah, she's like, "Why can't we sleep here?" And she's like, "Well, where would the other two sleep?" - Yeah, she's like, "Hey, Roxbury, what's up?" - So are they the youngest of the groups and Janice and her friend? - I think so. - Yeah. Even though that one of the girls looks pretty young. - She does. - But she must be cooler. - She must be in the cool kids club. So Janice is like, "Fine, assholes." And she's, door's making her way to the other side of the upstairs and she walks past what used to be Bee's room. And she notices that there's like writing on the door frame of her age and her height. - Yeah. - And then she goes to touch the door handle and Samuel is right there and just fucking grabs her hand and he's like-- - Don't. - That door stays locked. - Which, the door stays locked, the door stays off limits. Bro, why wouldn't you board that up? - Oh, yeah. - Like, come on, man, like there's a dangerous entity in there that gouges your wife's eye out. Like, come on, man, made her crippled. And then Linda pops her head out from the bedroom right next door to Bee's and she's like, "Hey, Janice, come here." So she goes in there, there's a bunk bed and then I'm assuming this used to be another workshop 'cause there's just a bunch of random, like, dolls without arms or limbs just hanging from the ceiling. - I think this is where, I think Mrs. Mullens made the outfits there. That's the vibe I got, like it was kind of a team effort. He made the dolls, but she made the clothes. - Yeah, and so yeah, so Linda's like, "You wanna be, you wanna share this room?" And so they agree. Sister Charlotte takes a separate bedroom and an interesting thing happened here and apparently there was a story behind it but then they changed it and they gave you no more context. She's unpacking, she pulls out a baby blanket and she holds it. Sister Charlotte, remember, I was like, did she used to have a kid? - And did she? - So... - But how do you become a nun if you were pregnant? - You can become a nun after. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Oh, I thought you had to like... - Yeah, virgin? - Yes. - No, no. - No, no. (laughs) - Why are you making faces? - Oh. - Why do you care so much about that? (laughs) - I can't. (laughs) - So there was a potential story to this where they were playing with the idea. They had a script and everything of Charlotte having had a boy, she gave him up for adoption and then she didn't know what happened to a little kid. - So this would have been great and this is another example of Doberman's character development 'cause if you notice, they cut that out and we've got nothing on her. I'm not invested. In fact, I'm kind of annoyed by what's her name? Sister Charlotte. Charlotte, because I have no backstory over it, she kind of annoys me. - Wow, Richard. - Dude, she annoyed you too. - She didn't. - Uh-huh, you're like, man, what's up with this? - Uh-huh. - I loved her. She's my mate, the guy, yeah. Anyways, so. - Huh. - This story, and apparently in this alternate story, she was supposed to have a nightmare and it was of her son who drowned and it was like a ghost haunting her 'cause she gave it up for adoption. - Now that would be a cool story too. - But they scratched that out of the table and they said next. - Too much going on in this movie. - Well, she's sitting there unpacking. We see, I don't, what is that thing called? The elevator in the wall. - It's a shoot. - It's a shoot? - Yeah, like, it's almost like a dumb waiter where like, a lot of times you see it like people putting food up there or you can like send stuff up and down and like supplies or clothes or something like that. - Okay. - But the door hasn't been used in some time and then it just swings open. - And then the other thing that happened here is when it did lift open, she had a Bible on her, on the bedroom and it flipped pages. - What page did it flipped in? - I don't know what that one this is. Richard needs to pray. Just kidding. - Oh, yeah. - So it freaks her out like the door opened so fast and she goes to look in there, doesn't see anything, pulls on the rope a little bit and then she closes the door. As soon as she turns around this freaking thing, slams open again hard and she's a little on her on the edge and then one of the girls pops in and scares her and she's like, "Hey, come here." Oh no, she goes into ask if her and the other girls can go outside and explore. - Yeah. - And she's like, "What do you guys help unload the bus?" And she's like, "Well, the father is still here "and he's helping." So she's like, "Fine, you guys can go." Linda overhears about their exploring outside and she wants to go and she's asking Janice but Janice just keeps rubbing her leg. So she kind of feels bad. - Yeah. - And she's like, "No, remain all stay here with you." And Janice was like, "Hey, like, we're friends "but I don't want you to feel bad for me." Like if you want to go explore, like go fucking look around. And she's like, "Are you sure?" And so she takes off with the rest of the girls and Janice is left by herself in the bedroom. So she gets up and goes through the window and she's seen all the girls run around outside. Feel a little sad for herself 'cause she can't keep up with them. And then again, another creepy thing far back from behind her. The bedroom door starts like, it was open and it starts closing on its own. And then you see the same fucking little, like small person silhouette walk towards her and it gets closer and closer to Janice. And then Janice turns around and it's gone. And then she starts walking and her, what's it called, the crunch is laying on the floor which she left at standing up and now it's on the floor. So she did thought there was something weird, but that was it. - This happens pretty quickly. Like the moment they get to this house, weird shit starts happening, which the pacing in this movie actually isn't bad. It's pretty quick. - It goes, goes, goes. - Yeah, almost start to finish. It's non-stop kind of going, which I kind of appreciate. - And it's dinner time. Samuel is heading the table. They're doing their prayers. And in far away, they hear a little belting and he excuses himself and-- - Opens that door and then one of the older girls kind of is being snoopy or nosy. - Yeah. And you can see there's a bedroom and more subinism is this molyne, laying on the bed. - Molyne, molyne, molyne. - And sister Charlotte notices and he's like, "Hey, my your own freaking business." - Oh, he says it? - No. - Oh, sister Charlotte does. - Yeah. - And then he shuts the door. She gets a glimpse of Mrs. Mullen's face, right? And she's a little wigged out, yeah. - And then they sit down to, the girls sit down to go back to dinner and the lights in the dining room, they like blink on and off and they just kind of twig out. - Right. - And then we go fast forward a bedtime and Janice and Linda again, they're just again, reiterating that they really want a family, they're praying for a family that'll take the both of them. - Yeah. - And then Janice can't fall asleep. You know, it happens, it's a new house. - Yeah, I would not be able to sleep, yeah. - And she hears footsteps. She's like, "Huh, let me go explore on my own "in the middle of the night." So it's like a great idea. - Hey man, you gotta get those long walks in with that polio leg. - Oh my God. (laughing) - Let's forget alone, right here. She sees a shadow and she kind of follows it and then she notices, well, it looks like a shadow. You know when you're standing outside of room and there's someone inside, you can see like shadows from their feet walking. - Yeah, yeah. - So she sees that and then a note slips out from Bee's room that prohibited bedroom. She grabs it and it says, "Find me." She's like, "What the hell?" So she comes out into the hallway and, or no, sorry, the note was slipped into their bedroom where Janice and Linda are. - Damn. - So she comes out and then this is where there's, I know that comes directly out of Bee's old bedroom and it says, "In here." - Oh yeah, kind of like the game she played with her dad. - Yeah. And she's standing in front of the door and you hear the lock going down from the inside. And she thinks it's maybe one of the other girls and she calls out to Nancy. She's like, "Hey, are you guys in here?" And there's like no response. - So would you go in this room? - Back to the hell, no. - I, you're not a rule breaker. So I know you probably, "Nope." Mr. Mullin said, "No, I can't go in here." No, no, no, no. - A little sister told them that they'll be like, without a home and they're starting messing around. - They'll be deported. - No, my God. (laughs) - I know how it is. But me being the fucking rule breaker I am, I see a red button, I'm going to push it. It says, "Do you have a push?" I am totally going in there. - Yeah, she's like praising. She's like, "Forgive me, father." I am about to swim. - I'm about to swim. - Which, is that how you do that? I'm not, I'm sure that's not how you do it. - How you do what? Like, when you say that, like, "Forgive me, father, I'm about to swim." Like, "Do you say that when you're about to?" 'Cause that gives you time to kind of think, like, "Maybe I shouldn't swim." - But then she does. - I know. (laughs) But isn't that after the fact you would say that? - I don't know, ask Rolando. Orlando has a really good story. - Oh, he does. - It's really funny when he did his first communion. So it was the first time that he could go up and take communion at the church, right? - Yeah. - And my mom used to tell him all the time, she was like, " Orlando, like, make sure that when you're doing it, like, ask for forgiveness for all the sins that you've committed and blah, blah, blah." It's a very serious thing. And then he goes, he was, he was excited to drink fucking wine at your church. And then he comes back, and then there's one thing specific, she asked him, she's like, "Do you pray, like, when you take the body and the blood of Christ?" And he's like, "Yeah, I ask for forgiveness for all the sins that I committed, and the ones that I'm gonna commit." (laughs) So he knew he was gonna fuck up in the future. He was just asking for forgiveness that had a time. - Oh, hilarious. - And he's fucking made his laugh. - Oh, hilarious. - He's covering his bases. - Oh my God. - She opens the bedroom door, and then you can tell that this room has been not being used, like all this toys and things are covered in sheets. - Yeah. - And she's looking around, there's like a little kid's table and toys and dishes and just things everywhere. And there's this giant thing, and she pulls the sheets off, and it's like a ginormous dollhouse. - Yeah, which, whoever made that is awesome, by the way, the detail in that house is cool. - Yeah. - Always like dollhouses like that, where it was like handcrafted. - Yeah. - I don't think, like, you still see 'em to this day, but they're not, you don't get these at stores now. - Oh, no. - But if you find someone who makes these, and they're pretty pricey, which back in the day, they used to make these kind of detailed dollhouses. - Yeah, so Jenna's just looking around, she's like, you know, I'm taking it all by this thing, it's ginormous, and there's lights on it, so she's been on, yeah. - It's the dollhouse is the house that they're currently in. - She turns on the lights, and there's a tiny little carved doll, and it looks a lot like B, so B, the Mullenson's daughter, she used to wear like two braids, like piggytales on the side, and this doll looks exactly like her. And then she sees on this dollhouse, there's a closet, and the closet, the little door just comes open on its own, and the key falls out. - Damn. - And Jenna's picks up the key, and she looks up into the room, and notices that the closet in the actual bedroom looks exactly like the one inside the dollhouse. - So she-- - Wait. Wait, what, can you repeat that? - The dollhouse, Jenna's is looking in there, and a little door came up and on its own, and she took out the key, and when she looks out into the bedroom, it's the same closet where Annabelle is locked in. - Wow, so I guess that makes sense, and that does now that I see the scene in my head, that is, but I didn't put that together right away. - Yeah, and it was like, here you go, here's the key to the motherfucking closet, find me, beotch. - Which, would you open the closet? - No. (laughing) - A toilet. - Dude, she's already hearing things. She heard the footsteps. That would have freaked me out alone. You're in a strange house, it's your first night. I would not be touching shit. I would be like, under my blankets, I'd be like, Linda, help me up into your bedroom, and like, fucking-- - I guess I kind of get where she's from, like, coming from. She's probably a little bored, and she's alone a little bit, giving her condition, you know? - Yeah. - So she's willing to kind of invest it yet. - So, this ding dong takes the key, and she opens the closet door in the bedroom, and the door opens, and we fucking see Annabelle just on her highest, just sitting on a chair, just chilling, just fucking waiting. And the closet is just completely dark. You can see as they show you the entire little closet, the door is just covered in pages from the Bible. - And you pointed that out. - I didn't initially, it makes sense, but I didn't put that together right away. I thought it was articles of like, the kid dying, like, news clippings. All at granted, there was a lot of news clippings, but that's what my mind went to, was, oh, they were grieving, and they, like, did a weird kind of thing in here. - They did all their prayers, and they were like, staying their demon, so they're taped all the way inside. - The other thing that I noticed that I pointed out, the doors around this house, the shape of them, it looks like an upside-down cross on a lot of the doors and to the bedroom. - I never noticed that. You mentioned that earlier, and I never noticed that. - You didn't? I guess it was another detail on the main door too, on the entrance, there's, like, a design going around the door frame, and it's also upside-down crosses. - Oh, shit, I gotta look at that. - Connections, mon. - So she opens it, and here's Annabelle, so she's like, I don't know, that's weird. Closes the door, walks away, and the door opens on its own. She goes back, she's like, all right, closes it, and then this time locks up with the key that she has. Walks away thinking it's all good, and this fucking door opens side-to-side. So she grabs the sheets that she took off from the dollhouse, and slowly makes her way inside the closet and throws it over Annabelle. - She comes out, she really wants to look around this bedroom, and the toys and everything. - Yeah. - And as she's looking around, we see the silhouette. - But she's clearly creeped out of this doll. - But she's not fucking leaving. - Yeah, but she is creeped out. That's why she throws that sheet over it. - I don't wanna fucking, there's so many instances that she-- - But as she turns around, though, this got me a little bit, and got me creeped out, was when the sheet rose up, and started walking towards her. She doesn't realize it yet, and she finally looks out the window, right? - Yeah. - And at this time, she sees Mr. Mullins seeing her in the window, he comes running up, which the timing of this doesn't really add up, but he goes running up, she turns around, and then the sheet starts walking towards her. As it's walking, it's slowly taking the sheet off itself, and then all of a sudden, once it gets to the head of the whatever's under that sheet, it falls down, and then there's nothing there, and then she is able to kinda get to her room. - Yeah, she-- - Which, how did Mr. Mullins not be able to make it up there with all that time being killed? - I don't know. - Yeah, she runs and goes into the bedroom, and, or no, she turns, before she runs, before she gets out of these bedroom, she looks at the closet and notices that the door is closed, the way that she intentionally tried to, and she makes it back to her bed. - Well, she sees the stairway, and she sees the shadow of Mr. Mullins. She turns around to shut the door to the room, and it's already shut. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - And then she's able to get, and she jumps into bed, and her crutch is kinda dangling there. - So, even the demon was like, "Girl, this is our little secret." (laughs) - Yeah, it has some motives, yeah, it has some motives. - So, yeah, he walks past, and she just, like, says really quiet, so he thinks that she's asleep, maybe he's seeing things, and he goes, and then, in B's room, we get one more look, and we see that the chair where Annabel was is still empty. There's, like, a cross hanging on the wall, and then you, again, they give you one more look of these entire closet being covered in Bible pages. - Rem. - So, the next day, the girls are having a day outside, and they make it to the, there's a well on the property, they're out there, they're looking around. - And they're like, "This is where Mr. Mullens keeps his wife." - I can ask holes and joking, and they think it's funny. - Yeah, kids being kids. - And then, Linda wants to fit in so bad with this girl, so she wants to hang out with them, and she's like, "Hey, let's go play hide and seek," and they're like, "Yeah, you go hide." - Well, she's like, "What are you guys doing?" And she's like, "Nothing, the girls are." And then, she's like, "I wanna play a game." She's like, "Oh, really?" And they're like, "Well, we'll see." And she's like, "You guys talking to boys? Bow boys?" And they're like, "Do you want to?" "No." And then, they're like, "Okay, we can play hide and seek." "You go hide, we'll find ya." - Psych. - Yeah, and so, she's excited. She's like, "Finally, they're gonna play with me." She leaves, and then, one of the other girls is like, "Are we gonna go look for her?" And the other girls are like, "No." - Maybe. - Yeah, that's not happening. And then, we see sister Charlotte, she's in the house, she's helping clean around. And Samuel let them use one of the spare bedrooms so they can hold like a classroom and give classes and teach the girls. - Right. - And Jenna's walks in there and she's like, "Hey, she did something naughty." And she wants to confess. So Charlotte is like, "Gosh, freakin' darn it." She's like, "Fine." She's like, "Tell me what you did." And she tells her, she went into the bedroom, it was locked, she wasn't supposed to. And Jenna's is really trying to tell her about the creepy-ass fuckin' thing she signed there and it happened. And this is-- - But sister Charlotte shuts her down, dude. - She's so upset that she broke the rules she went in there. And this is when she-- - And this is a confessionally, you should not be judging. - No, she's not a good confession taker person. - Well, clearly, she lost her song. - Oh my God. - CPS took away her kid. Come on, man. - It didn't happen. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, and she's like, "Dude, if we get kicked out because you were fuckin' around, like we're all gonna be separated. Like there's gonna be no homes that'll take all of them." - And this is the guilt starting in to where every, 'cause she's not the only one that fills this. Other girls do the kind of same thing. - Yeah, they don't wanna like-- - Lose the harm. - Do the pop because they'll get separated. It's kinda like the abuse of dad beating the shit out of you, but you can't say anything. - Yeah, and she's like, "But something." And she's like, "No, Janice, don't fuckin' touch it." And she's like, "Don't do it again. Go pray and help me apply." - Yeah, what, Janice? Do you have polio brain or something? - No, I'm like, "Oh my God, my kid's Richard." And Linda walks in. - Hey, polio is eradicated until these non-vaxxers. Okay. - Oh my God. - When it comes back, you know what? These jokes are coming back. - Oh my God, terrible. - I'm just saying, it's hilarious. Fuck, dude. I don't have any views on it either way, but. Darwinism, baby. That's all I'm waiting for. - No. - Okay. - Anyway, it's continuous. So Linda walks in, she walks in on their confession. She's looking for a play to hide 'cause the girls are gonna come look for her. And she's running around the house and then she notices that under the stairs, there's like a vent and she looks through and you can see that there's like a little note, a hiding note down there. So she's like, "Fuckin' perfect." So she walks in there and she's sitting there fuckin' patiently waiting for the rest of the girls to come and find her. And there's no one coming. And she hears like a creek under the stairs with her. She turns around. - This is a creepy moment too. - Yes. She goes to look, she keeps walking. This thing looks like it's pretty long, like a pretty big space and she's walking and Annabelle is just sitting at the end. - Oh, could you imagine the storage? Oh my God. - Oh my God. - Our house having this kind of storage. Ooh, wee. - We find creepy dolls on the house. I'm burning it down. - No, I'm not, I'm not, we're putting it in a glass case. - No, we're burning it down. - I'm bringing in haunted stuff. You're not even gonna-- - No, we're not. - Yes, I am. - You will sleep in the garage. - You won't know. - I will find it. - Dude, the Ouija board I got that's made in 1908. - I feel like they take it to church and sprinkle some holly water and holly palm from Palm Sunday and everything else I can think of. - Ash Wednesday. - But they're like, yep, ash too. - Holy ash. - Huh, okay. - Okay. - Cool. - Okay. - I forgot you had a woody board that we're bringing to the house. - I know, I'm looking at it. I don't know, we're gonna put it in the office. - No. - This move is creeping me out. We're not bringing-- - If your mom really moves in with us, it's gonna stay in that room. - No. - She just won't go. - She'll throw it away. (laughing) - Think so? - She'll come on me like, "I can last take your fucking thing." (laughing) - Oh my gosh. - So, yeah, so she walks towards you box. She finds like an animal just sitting there and she takes a step closer and the doll all of a sudden is like she got pulled into the dark and the void and she's gone. - So you see this demon thing, the eyes and this thing looks big. The demon that pulls-- - The doll. - Yeah, it's like hunching over and grabs the fucking doll. - She's like, "My bitch." - Insane. I don't know about you, but that freaked me the fuck out. - Yeah, so she, to lend that fucking scramble side of this fall space. - Just a second. Those stairs, by the way, we didn't, you gotta appreciate the detail working on that. The open back and then they put those steel covers underneath the stairs. So you can see through and it has a cool design. Fuck, that's pretty awesome, dude. - That's what you were focusing on. I thought that was cool, man. I would love that in my house. - It's a cool thing about this house. This is the house that was used as Dolores's house in Westworld, if anyone watches Westworld. - It's been in a couple of things. It's a famous place where they film a lot of movies. - So she comes out of the stairs. She's freaking out and then the girls, right as she comes out of the crawl space under the stairs, the rest of the girls are there. And one of us is an asshole and she's like, "You're now very good at hiding." - Yeah, 'cause she comes barreling out. - Yeah, if I can, she's a creepiest thing down there. But she also doesn't say anything, not yet. - Do the girls see the scarecrow at this time? - They did, before they came back inside, they went into the barn thing. - Fuckin' with that creepy scarecrow. - There's a really creepy, scary looking scarecrow. It has that mesh or burlap sack head. - But the way that they shaped the eyes were like sunken in, like, an uncoated thing. - Yeah, they really did a good job. Yeah, they did a good job of doing that. - Yeah, so that thing is creepy as fuck. - Yeah, setting it up, you know later in the movie, they're setting that up to be part of this thing. - So we see Samuel, he fixed the dumb waiter, 'cause it's opening and doing weird shit. - And then-- - And then-- - Just automatically sliding open pretty aggressively. - He sees a picture of the nuns at a convent and he picks it up and he's looking at it and he's like, "Oh, who is this?" And she's like, "These are my besties." - Yeah, and then the nun is like a Pokemon card. It's like holographic. - 3D1. - Yeah, it's holographic. It's like, "Holy shit, this is a fuckin' Charizard right here." - Yeah, he turns it and then you see her face like up here in and out, and then out, and then out. - Yeah, it's like a hologram or holographic. But yeah, she's like, "Yeah, these three, "we got really close together, you know, "after I abandoned my son and went to Romania." - Oh my God, and he's like, "Who is this?" And she's like, "I don't remember her. "I don't recognize her." - But she does acknowledge that she sees it. - She's seen it on the picture now, yeah, but she doesn't remember her at the convent. - Wouldn't that freak you out? You owned the picture and you've probably never seen that before, you wouldn't be like, "Oh, you're right, "I've never seen her." - Does this look like we are? - You probably looked at that picture at least, what? Fuckin'-- - Every time you unpack impact. - Exactly, how would you not notice that? I'd be like, "Whoa, this is a new development." - Yeah, and yeah, so it's balak. So we see the older girls are in the bedroom, they're chilling, they're looking through, flipping through a magazine, talking about boys. And then, I'm just enjoying their time, and then later on at night, it looks like everybody went to bed. And then the two oldest ones, Nancy and Carol, they're-- - Telling ghost stories. - And the middle of the room, yeah, they're-- - But they're not just telling any ghost stories, they're making up their own ghost stories about Mrs. Mullins. - Those little beaches, yeah, they're covered. They're on their issue with the flashlight, so you just see their silhouette and this dark room telling stories by themselves. - Right. - And they're, yeah, they're making enough stories, they're talking about Ms. Mullins, and then all of a sudden you start hearing the bell, the Mrs. Mullins rings whenever she needs something, but at first, you can hear it far away, so it sounds like it's coming from her bedroom. - And they're like, "Whoa, why is he answering her?" - Yeah, and they're like, "She's ready to feed fucking joking." - Yeah. - And then they whisper our names, Carol, Carol, or whatever, Linda, Linda, or whatever their names. - They keep joking, and then all of a sudden they're-- - You see a silhouette. - The bell gets louder, like their flashlight just starts fucking not working properly going out, and then it goes out, and then they hear, like, creaking in the bedroom with them, and they're like, "What the fuck?" So they're looking around, and they kind of see a shadow. - But they're in the sheets, so they don't want to look outside, but they do see a silhouette. - And they hear the bell in the room with them. - And then all of a sudden, this thing, underneath, when you do pause it, it looks like a porcelain figure. Like, it would be Mrs. Mullins almost, but it's not quite her. - I saw, like, a bony hand that just went for her face. - When you look at the face, though, it's like a porcelain doll face. - They look really glossy. - Yeah. - And they freak out. Charlotte comes in, and she's like, "What's wrong?" And then even Mr. Samuel is also awake, and here, this time, too. - Yeah, he comes rushing in. - Yeah, and he's like, "What's going on?" And Sister Charlotte, she's like, "Oh, they say it's your wife." He's like, "She hasn't fucking left the room in years." - Yeah, she can't walk. She hasn't left him. She's, yeah. - They're crazy, so they brush it off. - Which, okay, okay, there's another argument I have for this movie. - Oh, you say we're gonna drop it, man. - But this argument I have, weird shit's going on. Sam, when you fucking revert back to what happened-- - Hey, little girls, go find another home. - But when you have just an inkling, maybe I should check this out. Maybe I should go in that room. Weird shit's happening. 'Cause a couple of things have happened around him. Like, he's seen someone in that room. Wouldn't that alarm you to be like, maybe I should really button this up. But no, that doesn't trigger him, and then this doesn't trigger him. I think, at some point, like, what the fuck, man, you'd think something's up if you were Samuel, so I think that was kinda-- - They botched a little bit. They botched the story a little bit there. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. I probably am wrong, but that's just my two cents. - So, the next day, they're outside. And you can see Nancy's rattled by the whole thing with the shadow, the bone-handed, everything. - Yeah. - And Janice, she's like, "Hey, are you good, bro?" And she's like, "Did you really see Mrs. Mullins?" And she's about to say something, and Carol comes in, and she's like, "We just freaked ourselves out." It's nothing. - Trying to brush it up. - Again, hiding it, 'cause she doesn't wanna, you know, leave. - Yeah, and then they see the blue picket bleeds. So, Samuel left, and they're alone in the house. And then you hear the bell ring. So, Charlotte, the sister Charlotte, she goes to go check, and Samuel is gone. Esther is there, and she's like, "Hey, can you please bring me "some water?" I'm so thirsty. And as the sisters get in her water, Janice is inside the house, and she's being nosy, so she starts walking on the hall towards the Mullins' bedroom, and she's kinda peeking through the opening in the door. And then, this is where Esther, she mentions, that she's really happy to have company. They've been along for such a long time. And then, Charlotte points out that they have a family picture on the nightstand. - Yeah. - And she's, Mrs. Mullins, she's like, "Yeah, Pete was taken too soon." And then she asks Esther to turn around so she can drink her water. She doesn't wanna be seen. And we see her pick out from this curtain thing that she has going on around her bedroom. And we see this in the mirror in front. Charlotte spots her through the mirror, she's seen the reflection of Mrs. Mullins. She has like a half porcelain mask. - Phantom of the opera mask. - I know. And she takes it off to take a sip of water. And she's like, "Well, you know, at least the sisters." She's like, "At least you have the comfort of knowing "that she's waiting for you in heaven "or something along the lines." - And she's like, "Only if that were so." - And she's like, "I don't think so." And then, we see Janice, she's done being snoopy, and she turns around. She's walking the other way on the hallway. She sees another picture of B, Annabelle, with the doll, sitting next to her. They're sitting like on this couch. And for some reason, she takes it. She's curious, you know, she saw the doll already. She takes it with her upstairs to her bedroom. And then the weird creepy thing that we start seeing this, she's trying to hide this picture under the blankets. And when she does, the dolls, no, it was a little girls. Her eyes glow super fucking creepy. - Yeah, like that demon glow that we seen under the stairs. - Yeah, so she pulls it back out of the sheets and does it again. And just like right at the right angle, the eyes just glow. And then she hears music upstairs coming from B's bedroom. - Yeah, isn't that my little sunshine? - Yeah, and this fucking idiot, she goes, "Again, to check." And she's walking in there. - She's curious, she's going down. - I would be so scared. You know, these kids are going in an orphanage with nuns. You know that they're like fucking putting in their brain, all this devil stuff. They would have been traumatized, Richard. I am telling you. - Dang, I don't know. - She goes in and she sees the music box that is going and she stops it. And then Linda comes in behind her and she's like looking around too. And she's like, "What are you doing?" And we see that Annabelle is just chilling, sitting on the bed. Who the fuck put her there? - Exactly. - And she's just watching them. And Janice is like, "Yeah, there used to be the moles "in the starter." And apparently nobody knows this background story 'cause every girl in the house. - But why would they unless it was shared? - Yeah, I'm surprised that they had a daughter. - They just know something happened. - Yeah, and then Janice is like, "Yeah, I think she's the one that was playing the music box." - Yeah. - And Linda finds this toy gun that was really interesting. It has like a string attached to it and a ball. - Dude, this thing's tight. I had a form of that, but it was a little more cheesier than that one. - I had a nice cream cone. - Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I had one and then you roll it up. I had that. That's tight. - Yeah, you pop it. - I love that thing. - And Linda. - Used to shoot my brother. He was like, he's like two years old, just sitting there. - Pop on the head. - Yep, and you just like, "Boom." - I can do it. - That explains a lot. - I know. - And then Linda has a little more of like common sense. She's like, "Dude, I think that we should leave." And then we see like they show us Annabel and she has her head turned, just watching them directly. And-- - Yeah, she turns again. And this doesn't set alarms off for these kids. 'Cause even that I'll be like, "What the fuck who turned this bitch's head?" - Yeah, she's looming. This is just how we found her. - And-- - No, no, no, no, no, no. - And Linda makes the comment. She's like, "Dude, we should leave." And Genesis is like nothing. She's still pucking poking around. - Yeah, she's like, "I gotta look around a little bit more." 'Cause she's trying to figure out what the hell's going on. - And Linda is like, "I am out, she leaves." And then, Jenna finds a diary. And she's flipping through. And then there's a chunk of blank pages. And then there's like a scribble that's a completely different handwriting than when you first opened this diary thing. - Yeah. - And it says, "Today I came home "and in fucking BAM, the door closes." - So, came home from the accident? - The demon came into the house. - Shit, did we figure out what the demon's actual name is? - Balak, I don't know. - No, that's the nun. (laughs) - I'll Google it later. I, no, they didn't say none in this one. - Yeah, I don't know if it did or not. - Oh, actually. - Wake it up real quick. - Oh, no, I started watching Annabelle come home after he watched this last night. - Yeah. - And then Lorraine Warren says that the doll is a conduit for spirits. So, any spirit could like-- - I know, but it's not actual Annabelle who's like doing this. It's a demon. - No, I know, but it's a conduit. So, the doll they can use it multiple. - Yeah, multiple ghosts do like in that movie. - But this one is a big item. - But this one, the demon has a good one. - You know what, this demon reminds, have you watched this show, Evil? - Yes. - I don't. It reminded me of that, the horns that play us. - Where she's like paralyzed in bed and the thing comes on top of her, like in P's honor. - Yeah. - I know. - Yeah, it looks like, like it, I was like, oh, that, that literally-- - I actually liked that show. - I-- - They came out with a new season recently. I liked it, Michael Coulter, he plays the priest, recovering drug addict. - Mm. I remember the detective. - Mm. I just remember Michael Coulter. - Okay. - You know? - She puts the diary down and she hears like little bells and she turns around and there's like a, another little fucking toy that's for like puppets and the puppets are just hand puppets. They're moving on their own. - Yeah, he's like, whoa, she's like, who's there? And she grabs the puppets and then just fall down. - Yeah, there's fucking nothing. - Yeah, she looks back there, it's not shit. That really freaked her out. And then the dollhouse again, the lights just turned on on their own and she walks towards the fucking dollhouse, picks up the little carved doll that looks like B. - Yeah. - And she sets it back down and she's looking through all the little bedrooms in the dollhouse and she's standing back up straight through one of the little windows she sees. Bees goes just standing there straighting right at her. - Yeah. - And she's like, oh my God. And she asks her, you know, she's the daughter and whatever if she's B. And the ghost is tapping on the window outside. And if I can, of course, Janice, the common thing to do is to walk towards it. - Yeah. - And as she gets close, the thing screams on her division. - Yeah, it's like, I want your soul and very scary looking. - I'm very fucking scary looking. - And then at this point, Janice is taken, right? Like, she tries to escape and then she's dragged into the dark. - No, not yet. - 'Cause she gets lifted up in the air, right? Oh, no, she doesn't, she gets out. - No, she falls and the demons scratches the back of her legs. - Yeah, that's right. - And it transforms into like a really tall, like the looking demon looking long nails and everything. And then Janice runs outside. So she follows her outside. She goes outside, she's trying to run out and then all the bedroom doors that run her are shutting upstairs. So she gets on the chair and it won't start. - Yeah. - And she remembers to buckle up. - Yeah, so she does. And then you see out of B's bedroom, like this dark cloud thing, follow her outside. So I'm assuming it's the demon. - So she's going down this thing, right? And she's kind of looking up and the ghost is staring here. - So at this point, now it's doing the descent, but now the descent stops and she starts going upwards. At some point, why didn't she take the seat belt off because it stops when the seat belt's off? - Well, if the demon was controlling, it probably would have kept going regardless. - It's worth a try though. She doesn't do this. - Wait, when you're panicked, like-- - I would be like, oh shit, I'm gonna take the seat belt off. I don't care if I have polio leg. I'm gonna fall down the stairs. I'm gonna roll down the stairs. - Why is that with you in the fall? - I just love it. - Oh my gosh, I don't think people with polio would love it. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, she starts going back up and it looks like the little girl again. And it does a back and forth switch. She's yelling, no one in this house, here's a thing. And then it gets to the top and it's super dark all of a sudden. - Right. - And this is when you were saying she gets lifted up. - Yep, and she disappears. And then all of a sudden, she like her boot drops to the ground and then it's quiet for a second. There's a pause and then bam, her body hits the ground. - All the bodies hit the floor. (laughing) - Like that. Yeah and as she turns and you see like she has like a bloody nose and face or whatever. - Can you do an evil demon sound? - What's an evil demon sound? - Do it. - I don't know. - I don't know, like. - Oh, you're screaming. (laughing) - You sound like the bird from the movie up. (laughing) - Wow. - It was the magical bird that they want to go find. And I like chocolate. - I'm giving you an old Wilson. Wow. - Wow. (laughing) - Anyways, those are sound effects, that's cool. You can hire, I'm a hired gun here. - And then we see Samuel pulling. So they're coming back from the doctors. They took her in. And now Janice is on our wheelchair. - Yeah, she can't walk no more. - Yeah. And they're like, how are you doing? Are you okay, little bud? And she's just like in silent. - So Annabelle's basically going after the week. She already was weak to begin with, so she was an easy target. Now they just maimed her again. So now she can't move, she's like in a wheelchair. You notice that? - Yeah. - She takes her an easy target. - Sister Charlotte, she tells her girls, she's like, hey, little little Janice is gonna need all the support and love from you guys. So it'll be good to sports. Doesn't feel very well. So they make her arrangements. Poor Janice is gonna sleep downstairs. And now she can't even climb on the chair. - She looks like her health deteriorating. - Yeah. And then Janice, when Sister Charlotte is making like her sleeping arrangements. - Yeah. - And she's like, sister, we can't stay here. Like we need to fucking leave. She's like, I didn't fall something through me down again, trying to come through and tell her of all the freakish I go in under the house. And again, and then one thing that she mentions and that was very creepy, she's like, you know how you say that like you can feel God even though you can't see him? - Yeah. - She's like, well, I don't feel anything good in here. This house feels fucking evil as hell. - Yeah. - And then she's like, I think it wants me because I'm the weakest one out of all of them. You know, she's sick. And the sister is like, no, no, no, no. You're so strong. You're the strongest out of all of us. - We're giving her a pep talk. - We have a little power. Like it's fine. - Yeah. - And then we see, so this is where I think Samuel is getting vibes that shit's happening. We see him he's carving a cross out of wood. - And then-- - Because of that, he's just really religious. And then Esther, he's in his bedroom with his wife. - Or was he making the cross for Janice because he knew she kind of took a spill? - I don't know. But the wife is like, why are you so quiet? And he's like, dude, I think we fucked bringing all those kids into our house. - So maybe he does know. - He's like, what if the girl didn't fall? And she's like, no, like-- - It's been 12 years. - It was an accident, yeah. She's like, we haven't her shit in 12 years. So I think like-- - We're fine. - Yeah, she's like-- - That is dumb logic, clearly shit's happening. - Yeah, she's like, let's just like take advantage of the company that we have. Like, don't scare the girls. - Yeah. - And then Linda, you know, goes to check in on Janice before she goes to bed and he's like, she's like, hey, you'll be fine, I know you took a fall, but we'll get better and then we will both get home and again, you know, back to their plans and we're gonna get adopted. And Janice is just feeling really down and she's like, no, do it like now and I will turn. Like, who's gonna want her? - Yeah, just, you can leave me, it's okay. - Yeah, and Linda's like, no, but you're special, you will get adopted. She's like, and you're gonna have so many toys at this house with your new adopted parents and Charlotte comes in and she's like, all right, screw away, go to bed. And the thing that they do is they trade dolls. So Janice gives her doll to Linda and Linda gives her doll to Janice. And one thing that Janice says and they don't play later is, you know why I like this doll? 'Cause it looks so much like you. - Yeah. - And so they go to bed and then they talk about memories when they used to live in an orphanage. So Linda's upstairs, she's going to her bed and she walks past Bee's room. And again, that fucking door unlocks on its own. You hear it click on from inside and she's not that stupid though. - No, she goes to her room. - No, she picks through the door hole. And we see that rocking chair and Annabas was like in chilling in there, the doll rocking. - So she posts up though in the room, doesn't she? - She what? - And she posts up in her room, sitting in the chair. - Oh yeah. - And she starts shooting that gun down the hallway and the hallway is super dark, you can't see anything. So the ball disappears and she reels it back in a couple of times. All of a sudden the ball, like the string gets tight and like something grabs it and rips the gun out of her hand. - Yeah. - And this is a pretty effective one. This one got me. The anticipation and the suspense was great. - You were like, holy, come on. - Yeah, this is a really great scene because it gets even worse. - Oh yeah, she hears like footsteps, the floor creaking. - Getting closer and faster. - And it's like fast, quick little steps running towards her. - And she freaks that, climbs on the top bed and goes under the blankets. But being the kid that she is, she fucking lifts up the sheet. - So I've had a bunk bed like this growing up and so when she hides under the blankets and then looks to the side, but looks to the side that's close to the wall, you can see that shit down there. So when she sees Annabelle's head right there, like staring at her, that'd be the freakiest. And then that demon hand grabbing Annabelle's face. And then the other creepy thing is she hears footsteps in the bedroom and like a thump on the bed. You know when someone sits on the bed underneath. - Yeah. - Yeah, so she totally like fell the entire presence of this thing, climb in there. And I don't know how the house she fell asleep after, like when she looks down and she sees the doll lane like on the bed underneath her. - Well, she might have just like passed out over like stress. - Oh my God, I would have if I can died. - Right? Yeah, I wouldn't have slept. There's no way. - No. - I would have got the fuck out of there. I would have jumped out. - You would have just left the front. - Yeah. - The thing, I don't know, they all kept like them, their bedroom is specific. You would see some of the other bedrooms in the house and the doors were closed. But there's a specific, it was always open every time we saw them at night sleeping. - Yeah, tweet. - Oh my God, fuck. So yeah, it's next, she survived. She woke up and she's like looking around. She looks under the bed and it's empty. The doll's gone. - Yeah, weird. - Mm-hmm. And then, sister Charlotte takes Janice outside. She's like, do you need some sun, some fresh air? You're gonna feel great. And even Janice, she's like, okay, this is kind of nice. And she says she's gonna, sister goes inside to check on Mrs. Mullins and she closes the door. As soon as she's out of the fucking picture, Janice's wheelchair starts rolling on his own. - Well, it jolts it like pushes. She's like, what the fuck? And she can't get even a sense of relief at all. She can't relax. And then the thing gets pushed. And what it looks like is it looks like Charlotte, but it's not Charlotte because it's like gray skin tone. And, but in Charlotte's outfit, pushing her into the garage. Or the barn, yeah. - Yeah, so it shoves her in there. She falls on the floor. - Yeah, she's crippled. She can't, so she's crawling to her chair. And the chair gets flipped out of the way, it gets thrown. And then there's something in there, right? - She like crawls under some boards, it looks like. So she's hiding because there's a lot of creaking heavy footsteps and just shoving and banging going on. - Some freaky shit. - And when she's down there on the board, she looks to the back and she sees again, but it looks like Bee crawling towards her. Like it's super fucking fast. - And gets on top of her. - Mm-hmm, and then she pukes like black. - Blood, all into her mouth, yeah. - And they hear the commotion outside. And so, sister Charlotte and Linda run towards the barn. - Yeah, they're trying to open it. All the kids are trying to open the door. - It was just the two of them. - Oh, I thought it was all of them. - And then, yeah, and Janice is just sitting on her, well, not Janice anymore, but it's just sitting on the chair like nothing happened. - She's like, "Oh, I'm good." - Yeah, I was-- - With a smirk on her face. - Yeah, and yeah, she's like nothing happened. She smiles at Linda, all fucking creepy. Linda knows something's up. So she goes and talks to the other girls, and she's like, "Hey, like shit's going on with Janice." She said that the Mullinson's daughter was coming for her, and she's like, "I think she's been seeing ghosts, and maybe something was trying to scare Carol, like the freak out thing that they had with the sheet, and Nancy walks in there and she's like, "Dude, I think Janice just wants attention, and nothing's going really on with her." And they tell Linda to fucking scream and go to bed. So Linda, we see, it's the next day, and we see Linda. I don't know if she didn't sleep all night. She's sitting outside on a chair, and Samuel comes around, and he has the cross that he was working on, it's finished. - Yeah. - And he's like, "Oh, you like it?" And she's like, "Yeah." And he's like, "What's going on with you?" He was like, "You don't look so good." And he's like enough. - And he's trying to bond and open up with the kids. - Yeah, he's like, "Sometimes talking about things helps you." - Yeah. - And so she spills the beans, and she's like, "I'm worried about Janice." She's looking like, "Then hello, weird." She's fucking over here saying that she's seeing your daughter. Well, she doesn't want to tell him ever. She's like, "I can't tell you." He's like, "It's okay to talk about it." And she's like, "Well, okay, it's your daughter." Janice thinks she's seeing her, and then he's like, "No, that can't be true." But although, then he gets real concerned. 'Cause she's like, "Yeah, she found the doll in the closet." She's like, "What are you talking about?" That doll was walked away. - Yeah. - And then he now kind of leaves, what's her name, Linda? - I know. - He leaves her on the porch and then goes inside, and he goes to the dining area. - Here's the sunshine song. - Yeah, and he's like, "Oh, shit." And turns around, and then all of a sudden this demon, you just see the eyes. - He finds Annabel first, just sitting on the dining table with the doll. - And he goes up to look at it. - There's a note, a handwritten note on the table. - So he's found you or something? - Mm-hmm. - And when he finds the note, he sees Janice on the, or what used to be Janice on the wheelchair. And she comes to stand. - And he's like, "Janice, I told you not to go in that room." And Janice gets up normal, and then all of a sudden she turns into that huge ass demon. - Yeah, and she gets the fucking eyes, the, she kind of has like her face sideways, leaning, and then she's just walking with the glowing eyes, and the fucking long fingernails. - And then Samuel turns into like, the power of Christ compels you, power of Christ compels you, but it's not helping. He's got it pointed, he's freaked out. And on all of a sudden, a pretty cool move in this, where it's clearly CGI, but each finger starts to break and get bent backwards, just so the cross gets dropped. So he goes one finger every time, and he's holding on, and finally it's to the pinky, and that gets busted off, and then bam, he's dead. - Yeah, Charlotte fucking runs inside. Is there Charlotte? - Yeah, you're screaming. - And she found Samuel. - Yeah, and his eyes are fucking rolled up the back. So the thing with this, what do you say? He had a heart attack 'cause there's no way, his hands all fucked up, and then his like, it looks like his life got sucked out of him. - Okay. - So they didn't do anything though. They didn't specify what they thought killed him. - Yeah. - They just took him away. - Just take him, that was it. - Yeah, that was weird. - So outside, yeah, so they take him away, and sister Charlotte is like, all right girls, go to bed. Nothing fucking happened here. - Yeah. - And then we see like, fully Janice fucking embody this thing. She's just chilling outside on a chair, and she has a doll sitting on her lap. - Right. - And then we see her later on, she's sleeping downstairs, and then the doll is just sitting next to her. So she's really attached to this doll. They're one and together. - Yeah. - And Linda goes and she tries to, she's so Linda goes and she's like, all right, it's up to me now. - Yeah, I gotta go get rid of this fucking doll. - Which was so fucking brave. I wouldn't have not touched the doll after seeing it rocking by itself in that bedroom. - Right. - She takes her very quietly. She makes her way outside. She takes like an oil lamp, and she's fucking on an emission, and Charlotte sees her sneaking out of the house and she follows her. And this is another creepy thing. Like Linda's walking outside. Everything's pitch dark. She just has this lamp with her, and you hear footsteps approaching to her, and she turns and there's nothing there, and she keeps walking, and you hear it's like heavy footsteps. Out so close to her, and there's nothing there. - So this demon's falling there. - She makes it to the well, and she opens it, and she fucking grabs the doll, and she just has it hanging over the well. And Charlotte shows up right on time, and she's like, hey, what are you doing? And she's like, is this fucking thing? It killed Mr. Simp, Mr. Mullins, and-- - It's after Janice. - Yeah. And she's like, I'm gonna get rid of it, so she drops it, and-- - What is the worst thing you can do with this thing? - And Sister Charlotte is like, all right, let's go back to the house. And Linda starts walking away, but then she hears noise coming from the well, and I don't know why the fuck, but she fucking turns around. She dips her head down to see what she can see in this dark well. - Yeah, it's crazy to me. - And you just see hands, like reaching up and trying to pull her down. - Yeah, and does pull her, but then Sister Charlotte's able to get her out of there. - And then in between the both of them, they close the well, and like shit starts going on, and you should hear this loud like fucking thumping onto the well on the door thing that they put over. - Right. - Trying to open it, and they both run inside. And Linda is so excited. She like runs in there looking for Janice, and she's like, dude, fucking got rid of the doll, you're good. Pulls back the sheets, and the doll's laying on the bed, and Janice is gone. And so this is where like Sister Charlotte really starts taking him serious, and she's like, all right girls, Janice is gone, fucking go find her. - Yeah. - And she's at the same time pissed. She takes the doll, and she goes into Mrs. Mullins' room. - Yeah, well, she needs to know what the hell's going on. - She's like, all right, fucking answer up. What the hell's going on in here? - And Miss Mullins like, get that thing out of here. - Yeah, she's like, dude, that thing is pure evil. It started coming around after her daughter died. And eventually she tells them that like, they were so sad that their daughter died. They were praying to whatever to get their little grow back. - Pretty much prayed for Satan. - Yeah, to make contact. And then slowly, this story here in Little Sounds, a little nice. - And they're happy at first. But then she slowly realized, whoa, this is an Annabelle. - They were here humming, and then the same notes their daughter will leave. And then one of the notes started asking if it could move into the doll. - And they said, yes, of course. That way you could be with us forever. - Yeah, and then you see that they would find the doll in random places at times and they would be rocking. And then eventually they would see what looked like Beast's ghost. She's like, although we could never touch it, it was their comfort in just knowing that her ghost was in the house with them. - Yeah. - And then one of those times Annabelle, or not Annabelle, but Esther was doing something. She looks up in the mirror and the reflection was a really creepy demon. And when she turned around to her naked eye, she was seeing the ghost of Bee, but looking at it through the mirror, it was like a fucking thing. So that's when she thought something was not right. - Right. - And then there was an occasion where she heard, it sounded like it was Bee, and she was humming that sunshine song. - She goes in there with a cross. - And a Bible. - And this pissed the demon off. And at this point you hear her scream, and then Samuel comes running upstairs, and then you see her laying down, face down, you don't see her face, and he turns her over, and she's holding her eye, and she's just covered in blood. - Yeah. So yeah, and then Esther shows herself to the sister Charlotte face of the mask. - Yeah, and then you really do see her face got gouged, her eye was gouged out, and she has like a permanent mark right there. It looks bad. - Yeah, and she said it was a demon, and it almost tried taking her soul, but Samuel saved her, and then they had the church come over. - And cleanse and do all that stuff. - Yeah, and so this two priest put the doll in the closet, jostered in holy water, and put a bunch of those Bible pages over the closet. - Yeah, yeah. - And that was good. And she's like, it's been there for years, like we haven't heard shut. - Yeah. - And it may even at this point, Esther, she's like maybe bringing the girls buzz about it. - Yeah. - Yeah, maybe it did give her power. - Obviously, her husband died. - And then the rest of the girls, they find Janice, and she's chilling in Bee's room, and she gets up and they're like, oh my God, you can walk? And she's like, yeah, and I got a fucking knife. - Yeah, exactly. - And she attacks one of the older girls, and they all come running, and they're freaking out, and they're like, oh my God, sister Charlotte. There's something wrong with Janice. - She cut my arm, and my pinky, and they're like, so Charlotte, it tells them to leave. - Yeah, go get help, call the police. - But they feel bad of leaving Mrs. Mullins alone, and so they go to her bedroom. - Well, the thing's dinging. - Oh, the bell? - Yeah, and they're like, we can't leave her, so they go in there. - And-- - This is awesome. - They walk in there, she's letting her bed. - Yeah, they're like, what the fuck? But they do see her mask, and there's like blood on her mask, and then they start seeing like a trail of blood up in the room, and then they turn around, and it's half of Mrs. Mullins' body-- - Yeah, she's ripped apart, ripped in half. - And she's up on the wall hanging with like crosses on her hands. - Yeah. - Yeah, real fucking-- - I thought that was pretty awesome. - Creepy. - For this movie, that's probably as extreme as it gets. I think it's as extreme as this universe gets, really. - Yeah. - And then Sister Charlene finds two of the other girls in the bedroom, and she tells them to leave, and then comes Janice, and she's like, oh my god, sister, I sinned again. And Charlene knows like that's not fucking Janice. - Right. - So she closes her eyes, and she starts praying. She opens them, and she's fucking floating. - Yeah. - And she knows she has this bed, and she's like, "Forgive me, father, I have sinned." - And then, bam. - And she's fucking smacking her, like wall to wall, so I guess the wall. - And she just passed out, got knocked out. - And it looks like she gets like, I don't know, it looks like she got dragged into the bedroom further. - Now she got hit into the mirror. - Yeah, but when she falls, it looks like she got dragged. - I don't know about that. She just got knocked out, though. - Okay. - I didn't see her get dragged, but-- - It could have happened, I don't know. - So the girls go outside, and they try to get the truck started, but it won't start. And then this is where the weird creepiest that's happening about the scarecrow, 'cause every time they get the truck started, the light comes on, and they screw this scarecrow up against the barn. - Yeah, and then the scarecrow's gone, and one of the girls is like, "Whoa, the scarecrow." And they're just trying to get it going, getting going. And then all of a sudden, Linda comes from downstairs, right? She doesn't come out, she's inside the house. - Someone else runs up to the truck. - She's trying to come out of the room, and she hears banging on the wall, and it sounds like it's Janice, and it's calling out her name. - Yeah. - So she comes into the dumb waiter. - Yeah. - Outside, the girls finally decide to leave the truck. They come outside. - Well, she sees Linda sees Janice stab her doll, Sue. - Not yet. That happens later on. - And Carol gets locked up in the barn with the scarecrow. - Yeah. - Who runs through the truck? That's why I'm trying to ask. - I don't know. - 'Cause someone ran to the truck, and said, "Let me in, let me in." - It was one of the other girls, but-- - What was she doing? I can't remember. - Following them? Maybe that was one of the kids that Charlie told them to go outside. But Carol gets locked inside the barn with the scarecrow, but-- - I don't know. I'm just trying to piece it. I can't remember why. - She sees the hatchet, and then she tries to grab it to defend herself. - 'Cause the hatchet, or the axe, is in between the scarecrow and the girl. - Yeah. - And so she tries to go get the axe, it breaks. - Yes. And so all of a sudden, all the light bulbs in the barn started popping and breaking, and they're going off, and it's down to one light that's left. - It's down to three lights. The first one though starts slowly going, and this one's the closest to the scarecrow, and then it starts slowly being twisted out, and at this point you see the scarecrow coming to life. It's starting to fill up, and it's creepy as fuck, but then you see the hands turn into the demon, and then the demon rips the mask off. But this is in sequence with the lights, so that first light gets untwisted, drops off, she runs to the second light, and this is where the demon is starting to happen, right, forming, and then that one goes out, and she's down to the last light, and there's a ladder right there, and she climbs up there, right? - Yeah. - And then locks herself in the room, some room, I think, his workshop room. - Well, before she does this, yeah, she goes up to the ladder to try to keep the light, the last-- - Yeah, to hold onto it, yeah, exactly. - And then you see an arm, 'cause the demon at this point is up on the roof, and breaks the light, so yeah, she runs into the next room inside the barn, and then meanwhile, inside the house, we see Linda, she's in the dumbwaiter, and she makes it, I'm assuming it's the basement, like all the way down, and she comes down, and as soon as she gets off of it, there's a flashlight right there. - Yeah. - And she's using it to look around, and there's like, crosses, it looks like on all of the windows down there, and then she starts noticing-- - Which, what was happening down there? - I didn't see it. - I'm confused, is this where they like, were the demon was living for a while, or what, just slummin' it in the basement? - I guess, and then you start seeing spots of blood, but none of the girls died, so I don't know what this was, or maybe she just imagined-- - No, she was in the room, she was in Mrs. Mullen's room. - Oh, is that what that was? - Because she sees that, and then the body's not on the wall anymore, and now Mrs. Mullen's crawling towards her. - Oh, that makes sense. - That's what it was. - I was like, where the fuck did this other person come from? - So she jumped back into the dumb waiter, and goes up, starts doing it, and it gets caught or whatever, and then the demons, she looks down again through the cracks, and sees the demon crawling up there. - At times, it was like, it looked like Janice, and then at time, but then you would see the hands come through, and it was the demon's hands. - Right. - Yeah, and so she, at one point, she's not moving anymore, so she uses the rope and kind of like pulls herself up. - Right. - And as she's coming up, you can see the demon's hands still trying to reach to her. - Yeah, and so she goes through the top, climbs up to the next story, yeah. - And she walks out of the, out into the hallway, and it's empty, so all the other girls are outside. It's just fucking this kid inside, and it's dark, and it's silent, and she's calling up her sister Charlotte, and she hears noise, and this is where she, from upstairs, she looks down, and Janice is at the bottom. - Yeah, stabbing Sue, right, her doll. - Yeah, she's like, "I like it because it looks like you." - I like Sue because she looks like you, and stabs the doll. - The doll on the face. - Yeah. - Still fucking rude. - And then Linda's like, "Oh, hell no, it gets the fuck out of there." - So you can hear Janice starts making her way up, and then Linda runs into Bee's bedroom to hide. - Yeah, it goes into the closet. - Yeah, more Annabelle used to chill, and she's looking through the door, and she can see that Janice is outside looking for her, and she turns around, and Annabelle is sitting on the chair. - Right. - Watching her, this was funny. Even her, she fucking grabs the head of the doll and turns at the other way, like, don't look at me. - Yeah. - And when she turns back towards-- - Which, does the demon is able to see everything around through the doll's eyes, right? - I'm assuming if it's attached to it. - Yeah. - Yeah, so-- - I assume that too, I'm not sure. I don't know what you thought about that. - Yeah, so Linda turns around, and then here's fucking Janice. She found her in the closet, and she drives her out, crawls on top of her. She's like, "You know how we're gonna be together forever? "We're going to hell together, too, bro." - Yeah. - And Sister Charlotte comes in, which I thought she fucking died. - Yeah, she comes back and saves the day a little bit. - Yeah, she grabs, she finds them, and then she has, by this time, she has the doll in her hand, Annabelle. - She throws it in the closet, and then throws the closet, not the closet, but the dresser thing, over the door to block it. - Well, before this happens, Janice tries to attack the sister, and she puts Annabelle in between the both of us, so she says the doll, and they got the jizz that had hurt her? She made a noise. - See, I didn't catch that. - Yeah, 'cause she made a noise, and she looked confused, and when she did this, she also threw a rosary over her neck, and she was in the mouth, like, in having it. - Yeah. - And then her eyes got that yellow glow, and that's when she shows her in the closet. - Yeah, and locks her in there. - Yeah, they block it, and then the entire house is just coming alive at this time. - It's glowing, all the lights are popping. - Chit's moving, things are swinging around, and they come outside, and the girls are still outside, and at one point, the girls did get a hole, and it did call the police. - Yeah, and you start hearing the sirens coming. - Yeah, so you hear sirens, and then it still, it looks like it's the middle of the night, and the cops opened the closet door, and they only find the doll, and then this is where we see a giant hole in the wall, next to the doll, and the rosary left on the floor. So my assumption here was that the demon inside Janice's body made a hole. - She went on the lamb, she went running. - Yeah, she got out. - Damn, prison break style, that's crazy. Shawshank Redemption style. - And then the next day, the police were like, "Yeah, we didn't find Janice anywhere." And then somebody's like, "You know, this girl's everyone away, "they do stuff, like they just brush it off." I was like, "Whatever." - Yeah, it was fucking nuts. - And then we see the father comes out. - He's like, "All right, it's been cleansed of all its sin. "There was some sin attached to this doll." And then he's like, "All right, "which one of you lucky girls want, please?" - I know, it was like, "Fuck that shit." - And none of them do. So they throw in the back of the cop car and they all kind of shut the door on it. - Yeah, the girls get on the bus and they leave. - I would have just give the fucking doll a bird, just because you know fucking Annabelle/Janice would see it. I'm like, "Fuck you Janice." - Yeah. (laughs) - And they're on the bus and you can tell Linda's really bummed out 'cause Janice was her best friend. - Yeah, well her and sister Charlotte are pretty bummed. - But Charlotte, you know, sister Charlotte, she's like, "Hey, just so you know," like-- - That wasn't her. - Yeah, so none of them-- - And it wasn't, she was gone at that point. - Yeah, she was like, "It was something else." And she, no, she understands. - What kind of how fucked up is this movie? The girl with polio had the worst demise, like there was no hope for her and now they're leaving her behind. - I know, I don't like tootaloo. - She died, that's insane. I thought it'd be a little bit lighter of a movie, but now there's no hope for her. - No, she's just fucking gone. - Fucking crazy. - So we go to St. Joaquin, or Phoenix. - Joaquin. - Joaquin. And then this very nice lady comes out and she meets a couple and she's like, "We have the perfect little child for you." She's had a really rough time, but man oh man, you guys are lucky that she's here and she turns around and it's Janice. - But she goes by Annabelle. - Mm-hmm, and she gets introduced to the Higgins family and they're like, "Oh my God, "we are you the best person ever." And it's a Raggedy Ann doll. - Yeah, which reference that the Raggedy Ann doll that most of you I'm sure know about, but that is the actual version of Annabelle. - The Warren's house? - Yeah, the movie took great at Liberty with their creepy-ass doll, but the Raggedy Ann doll is the original Annabelle. - Mm-hmm. - What you can look up online, I encourage you to do so. It is kind of creepy looking. - It's original? - Yeah. And then we go into the adopted family's house. It's 12 years later and we see pictures of Annabelle so she stayed in the family and she grew up and then you hear a noise and then the couple wakes up and the dad's like, "Oh my God, call the police." And she's like, "All right." He gets up to go look around. As soon as he gets to the doorway in their bedroom. - He gets his throat slit. - By his little daughter. - Yeah, Annabelle and then what looks to be a cult because then it's this Charlie Manson looking motherfucker walking and getting on top of Annabelle's adopted mom, what do you call her? - Yeah, yeah. - And they're screaming and then all of a sudden another neighbor wakes up and I'm assuming, 'cause I haven't seen the first movie fully, I assuming they tie in. - They take the doll. - Okay. - They end up with a doll. I think this leads into Annabelle. - Yeah, 'cause she wakes up to her husband to go check and then that's the end of the movie. - Mm-hmm. - Was there an extra credit like seeing? - I didn't see, not that I saw. - I didn't look. - You didn't look a little bit of like additional information on the movie. - I didn't know the nun came out in 2018. I thought it came out sooner than that. - Oh. - Yeah. - For '18, I can't remember. - So originally, there was supposed to be a lot more of Mrs. Mullins in the film. - That makes sense. That's a very, she has had some star power. - After her violent death, her course was supposed to reanimate and become the main antagonist for much of the rest of the film. - Oh shit. - And it was originally Mrs. Mullins who was supposed to throw in Linda while she was in the dumb waiter and who would attack the girls in the barn as well. But there was like reshoots and then they replaced Mrs. Mullins with the horn demon and the scarecrow. - So I wouldn't have minded Mrs. Mullins in this. That would have fit a little bit better in the scarecrow. - She was there a lot more. - Yeah. - And she was supposed to be this loving mom. - It would have fit the story, it would have fit the story a lot better. So that would kind of miss the mark on that one. But I still like the final product. It just would have been better if it was Mrs. Mullins. She looked creepy, man. - She did. - And they could have made her even more creepy. So like Richard mentioned, the real doll is kept in a glass case at the Warren's Occult Museum, which is their old home in Connecticut. It was officially shut down in 2019 after Lorraine passed away. - Ooh. - But they do bring her out every year and they put her on display 'cause they have this like-- - Her and they bring out one thing out of the museum for people to look at. - Well, if anyone is interested annually, it's called The Warren Seekers of the Supernatural Paracan at the Mohican Sun Exposition Center. - Which we will be there. - Right. (laughs) And if anyone is interested on a little bit of like the real life kind of story of where the Warrens came from, there's a good documentary on Netflix called The Devil on Trial. And this is kind of where they got some of their fame as being like demonologists and exorcists. - So there's a couple good documentaries on the Warrens kind of covering are they a hoax? Are they real? - Yeah. - There's a couple good ones that I recommend people go check out. I know like a while ago it was on the Discovery app, which now is Max, they might still have it, but there was a good one on there too. - Mom, was it called? - I can't remember, but you pick, you look up the Warrens, you can pretty much find this. They probably have on YouTube. - Oh yeah. - So. - I wanna know how much they're worth now. - Yeah, I don't know. - After all this like movies and shenanigans? - Well, they're dead, but. - Is Ed, also-- - Yeah, he had a stroke. He died way before Lorraine. - Oh. But the family must be rich. - Yeah, the daughter I think is what's left to the estate. - The Warren family's worth today. - Today. - Oh, it's bringing up Senator Elizabeth Warren. - Yeah. Well, I don't have to worry about that. We gotta start wrapping this up, but let's take a quick break and then we'll get Vienna's review corner. (vocalizing) All right, we will be right back. All right, we're back. So this week, there's no Vienna, but we've got even better. This one's gonna like blow the doors off the hinges. We've got Angela's review corner. - What surprise? - Surprise, motherfucker. (laughing) Just when you thought you didn't have to hear our voices more. Here we go. - Sorry guys. - Well, hopefully we'll get her next week. We'll see. - Okay. Are you ready for the reviews? - Yeah, let's hear it. Let's stick to the, you know, like six or seven. - Oh, you want six or seven? - Yeah. - This first review is from just Sal. She gave it a two and a half stars and she said a full honesty. The kids care me more than the doll. And then this next review is from Carly. She said, I love the musical Annie. I don't see Annie. And then another one from Bob my queen. He said, yep, this one is legit good. I think most can agree on that. There's a lot of gray scenes in this one. I really love when the ram demon bounces around. Who's the ram demon? - I don't know. - You know? And this next review is from Sarah. She gave it four and a half stars. She said, I knew she was going to go down when I saw the dumb waiter. Dumb waiters are scary as fuck. Next review from Joe Cole. Three and a half stars. He said having to live in the orphanage and this makes the psychological abuse. Annie and Dor from Ms. Hannigan seem like a nurturing hug. Someone else gave it another three and a half stars. I watched this with my Annabelle dolls sitting next to me. I would say it was a good bonding experience. And then this one is from Jade. She gave it four stars. She said, this is why the only dolls I fuck with are of the brats and monster high varieties. Ethan, three stars, kind of goofy, but easily better than the first. Nothing too scary in my opinion, but it's okay. I did really like the final scene. - Cool. - Do you have anything else? - This one is from Ivy Three Stars in Love and Memory of Vera Farmiga. She's not dead, but this killed her. - Oh my God, killed her career. Well, that's a good one. - And then the last one I'll read, three stars. That's what they give for being so damn nosy. - Damn. - Kind of. - Cool. Well, thank you for those riveting reviews. I love it. They really have to spot. Anyways, we forgot to do, but we don't really forget, but our personal ratings. - Aww. - After a three review of this movie, how do you feel about it? - I feel good. - Has it changed? - Oh, I like it still. I think it's one of the good ones. - What would you rate it? - I would rate it a three, three and a half star. - Give it a three? - Yeah, three and a half. - I give it a three. That was good. I was entertained. So three and a half, three. What was your favorite kill? - I don't have to go with Mrs. Mullens. - Fucking hey, dude. I liked Mrs. Mullens too, man. I wish we could have watched her be ripped in half. - Just shredded. - Yeah. - With her missing eyeball. - Yeah, and then-- - Was that your favorite too? - Yep. And yeah, so that's kind of... Yeah, this movie was good. Like I said, I threw it in the rotation. How was this received by the audiences in the critic? - I am DB, 6.5 out of 10. Rotten Tomatoes, 70%. Metacritic, 62%. And then the average Google user gave it an 82%. - Thanks, so pretty good. - Positive, mostly. - Yeah, it's above average. - Yeah. - That's pretty cool. Yeah, I agree. I'm kind of right there with them. So yeah, we'll kind of tie this up. We're running it on about two hours, 37 minutes before. Cuts, but (laughs) before refining it. Do you have anything else? - Mm-mm, next movie. If you guys like the episode, like it. - Yeah. - Subscribe. - Like it, own it, love it. Show us support. We wanna hear it, we wanna hear from you guys. - Send us recommendations for La Yorona. (laughs) - Yeah, please. - And then the next movie, it's a werewolf movie that we're covering, right? - Dude, I'm excited, yeah. - We're covering, it takes place in our own backyard, Washington State, it's Bad Moon. - For real? - Yep, Bad Moon, baby. So I'm pretty excited for that one coming up. Guys, also this week, listen to the Obsession Bites mini episode. It ties in with the Conjuring Universe. If you wanna hear more about that, that'll air on Wednesday. - Yeah, and if you guys wanna watch Bad Moon to catch the next episode, you can catch it on Peacock, Tubi, Amazon Prime, all the goods. - Hell yeah, well, all right, with that. - Hasta la gassi. - Hasta la gassi. - C-C, ciao, ciao. (upbeat music) - Thanks for listening to Horror Cinema Obsession. We hope you had as much fun as we did. If so, help spread the word by leaving a rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts. And join us next time for another episode of Horror Cinema Obsession. 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This week, Richard and Angeles unlock the sinister secrets behind Annabelle: Creation (2017)—a prequel that surprised fans by proving that not all Conjuring spin-offs are cursed.
We break down this creepy chapter of the Conjuring Universe scene by scene, from its emotionally charged opening to its nail-biting finale. With strong performances, chilling atmosphere, and some of the most terrifying doll moments since Chucky, we dig into how Annabelle: Creation manages to be one of the franchise’s best.
🪆 In this episode:
Full breakdown of Annabelle: Creation (2017)
The evolution of the Annabelle character across the franchise
What works (and what drags) in haunted doll horror
How director David F. Sandberg brought tension and dread to a familiar tale
Viana’s Review Corner – Her teen take on possessed dolls and nun-led orphans
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From basement horrors to airborne scares, this film proves you can breathe new life into an origin story—even if it’s the life of a demon.
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