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I'm Always Right Ep. 308

Ep. 308 of the I'm Always Right Sports Podcast! Check out this week's rundown and make sure to subscribe! Also use our code: ALWAYSRIGHT for 15% our affiliate partners! - NFL Trades - Lions Lose Hutch...Now What? - Red Wings Rough Start to the Season - NBA Prop Bets - AEW WrestleDream Review

Duration:: 1h 42m
Broadcast on:: 21 Oct 2024
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the one that I'm always right sports podcast I am your host as always the mouth of Michigan robin dike what me is always my co host of the merc zone Mike Merkel he is here we're doing an early episode of the I'm always right sports podcast recording on a Friday this week cuz your boy is busy and Mike is a good co host and decides to make time for me so and he's not loaded show for you guys this week we got a ton of NFL news coming out of the woodwork this week I'm gonna be talking wings and then obviously we've got we've got some NBA prop bets you know how Mike loves to spend that money money money and then we're also talking AEW Wrestle dream WrestleMania five for those of you who are sticking along with us on our time machine journey of the WrestleMania's Wrestle Mania five we will be covering next episode so be on the lookout for that I was actually prepared this week Mike is the one who's not prepared but he gets them all again cuz the last three times before that I was not so he gets them all again WrestleMania five coming at you next week looking forward to talking about that show but Mike let's just jump right in NFL news galore since last time we had an episode before we talk Lions I want to talk these trades so let's talk about the big one of the two I guess if we're gonna say there's one humongous one it's a big splash and then there's like a medium-sized splash Devontae Adams no longer a Las Vegas Raider he is now a wait for it wait for it wait for it wait for it New York Jet um thoughts anything on this he goes over there for a third round pick which can become a second round pick based on some other things that are gonna happen but long story short of it right the the Raiders get out of a lot of money too that's the other big part of this deal right but in terms of you know what is exciting not exciting something anything what what are your thoughts on Devontae Adams going to the Jets mmm clearly Aaron Rodgers is not in control of this team I don't know if you knew that he's not he didn't know he was coming until like the day until he talked to him and said hey guys Joe Douglas can you yeah can you get him I don't even know this isn't even their GM anymore so I can't even say that but either way yeah can you do that yeah yeah apparently so yeah they get him I think it makes so little of a difference that I can't even like put in the words yeah how little of a difference I think this move makes this is what I did I was like I'm not shocked I'm not I'm not like I'm like oh I'm stunned that the Jets made an impulsive decision like this and mmm because everyone's my it's not a pulse bullshit mmm it's clearly not you're hitting the panic button because you've got Rodgers for two years yeah and you're two and four and your offense sucks every fired your head none of these things aligned with a team they're like oh they're clearly have a plan yeah and they're gonna go try and win a Super Bowl that none of this says that yeah and I mean I already think they kind of broke the window this year anyway so you're kind of just they're not good yeah they're not good like having a really good receiver is not gonna help Rodgers stay in the pocket longer cuz they're offense lines too well now that is it but let's and let's let's call a spade a spade here right not the devotee Devont Adams is bad right but he's also not Devont Adams for three years ago yeah just like Rogers isn't the same player from three years ago right yeah these guys get older Devont Adams is not a spring chicken yeah now what I would say is I think if they did have a good offense line which the word is if because they don't but if they had a good offense line I think Devont Adams would be a really good decoy sure Garrett Wilson open going and open which I think because when you if you were a defense and you were like all right how do we guard this no one's double and Garrett Wilson when you have Devont Adams on the other side sure so Garrett Wilson's gonna see a lot of one-on-ones with Devont Adams over there and so I think it's gonna be a I don't think Devont Adams numbers are gonna be that much crazier because I think Garrett Wilson's numbers unless he's just gonna be force feeding him the ball yo that's fair a lot of slant passes are gonna be common a lot of yeah a lot of like fantasy owners you might be getting those eight reception 60 yard game maybe a touchdowns yeah to really help you out but I'm just glad we don't got to play him this year because I don't want to hear I don't want to have a three-hour commentary about Tomatoes and Rogers look at all the stats I don't think it's awesome but yeah so I I mean I think their seasons already kind of dead I think Buffalo are it is just kind of like sure we got this division lock down I think the Jets even if they did sneak a wildcard because their schedules are too difficult true going on the road against Kansas City Baltimore Baltimore Houston or Buffalo yeah I don't think you're winning I only give a good shot in any of those no I don't either no I don't either I think there's a level of dysfunction that's going on in this organization right now and the fact that Devont Adams which it makes me it's so funny now I get it he doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his current deal right but he's like yeah I'd love a long-term deal here I go what I go I'm not paying you a damn I'm not paying you shit until I see how the rest of this year goes because hey I'm already paying you a shit ton of money this year number one number two the next two years you got 35 million coming to you if you're on the roster number three I go I need to see if you can play and more importantly I need to know if I need to dump your ass because Rogers decides to up and quit it just there's a lot of decisions that they've made in the last two years that have not made a lot of sense to me okay you want to go get Rogers fine right but then we're gonna go sign Allen Lazar to a four year forty million dollar contract can't see the field then we're gonna go and we're not gonna we're not gonna address the offensive line despite the fact I mean we're gonna try to but we're gonna sign Tyran Smith's old ass to protect his blind side that's gonna go right according to plan you also didn't really fortify your run game breeze halls been injured right you don't have that true second back right to kind of help allow breeze hall to be their version of a jimira Gibbs compared to you know with a david Montgomery comparison you don't have that so they can't run the ball I will say in terms of that I do like briely and edwards yeah but I think he's like yeah some time away before he becomes sure something yeah that could be a two-headed monster there you and their offense lines aren't good enough to give them holes absolutely yeah be effective and then also right and now I grade it you know they draft it with fashanu right they just draft a fashanu right so maybe you're hoping you something develops right and they have a tucker verb yeah yeah yeah but again right it's not it's not good right and then you couple that with that you hired rogers preferred offensive coordinator right which you've now since demoted and hired and promoted a quarterback coach who was an offensive coordinator I think last year I believe years ago yeah and it didn't end well there either and everyone's like this isn't an upgrade everyone's just kind of like let's just see if this works um I'm waiting for jim bob kooter to get another shot at playcom maybe that'll happen um you fired your head coach right and now you and you're like okay yep now's the time to to trade away more assets after you've already traded assets for asan radek who has decided to not play for you and and you have an agent quarterback who's not playing well and your defense is actively getting worse yeah so it's like I just it's a very hard move to justify if it's very much a panic button we got to do something okay maybe we can recreate that magic for one year because unlike the lions which we'll get to in a second the jets are very much living in the here and now right this moment living day today on aran rogers and can we do this or not I don't think other teams in this window right are are in that same boat so like I get it in the sense of like we've we've literally pushed all our chips in the middle of the table because as soon a rogers is done they're gonna suck again yeah because they're gonna they're not gonna be capital right they're gonna be paying guys because they've kicked the can down the road and other stuff and you're going to pay guys like a Garrett Wilson and if fashan who turns out and breese hall these guys it's just a weird dynamic you know and what I would say too in terms of jet spans but they're kind of the worst no offense yeah they really are the world but like if I was a jet span going into this season because you have such a playoff drought right now sure I think a fair expectation going in as a fair weather right like yeah observer would be just make the playoffs right yeah can we just get there like can you just get there and like have a Pontius chance with Rogers in them like I feel like that's like the bar I right yeah if they would have went like 10 and 7 you'd been like okay and with jet and like with buffalo in the vision I expected Buffalo to win division sure Jets probably two and sneak in as a wild guard if you lose to the Chiefs everyone loses the Chiefs and that's I think would be a good season for the problem is Jets fans have all told me well this seems an agency championship team right this is yeah we're gonna we're gonna Super Bowl yeah it's us it's us in Kansas City right yeah it's what I've heard with she with Jets fans and so then when that's now your expectation right ago where you're not going to touch anywhere near that no and now it's a failure of a season so I think also I think to the defense a little bit though right that's what the team has kind of done to them right and that's what the team is kind of set the expectation is well I'm bringing we're gonna bring in Aaron Rodgers yeah guys we're getting eric Zach Wilson gone yeah Aaron Rodgers is coming which means let's go right and we know what hard knocks can do to a team they were on hard knocks last year and they were getting the team pumping a little yeah exactly and then he gets hurt so then it's got we'll delay that a year but you're like oh just wait till next year you didn't get that full effect of the hard knocks kicking in as a fan right because Rogers got hurt and you're like well the season's over now yeah but like now you're kind of riding that sure you know oh we're we're gonna be so awesome we had another year to get better yeah now we got Rogers back and all this stuff so yeah my expectation I think they still might meet my expectations was to make the playoffs but I don't know just because the AFC is so blah blah in the middle like I can tell you the five yeah sure top teams yeah but then there's a lot of 500 like Cincinnati being two and four yeah could easily go slice into the playoffs when you're in the districts four and two and they're making a quarterback change that's how bad we've seen some offenses play and helps out so bad teams have looked this year we talked about a couple weeks ago we're like everyone just kind of looks like you got the Chiefs yeah and then you got everybody else just kind of like like legitimate is ugly legitimately in the AFC I'm like Baltimore Kansas City Houston Buffalo everyone after that is sitting at 500 at best and it's an absolute crapshoe which is why I do think the Jets could see in because I think they are yeah they're two and four but they can stack wins they're playing an easier schedule right yeah you're not playing that first play schedule right so you're you have that opportunity to go and say hey look maybe we can still do something and piece it together exactly but they have to do it now yeah if they if they go to like two and five or they're like two and six god like if they was another couple here yeah like you're not going to rattle off this this pitch nine not even Sunday night against Pittsburgh right obviously Russell Wilson dots them up yeah obviously when this show comes out we'll know that you guys know the results but if they go into that game and lose mm-hmm now you're two and five or two and five well like that's a tough look but I do think it's good to be well you know Rogers and Devontae right we got to build that synergy back against been a couple years again no but Devontae's got to work on the system this isn't the NBA where you have 80 games to work this out though yeah if a team if a team starts off three and seven the NBA yeah I go okay there's 72 games left sure figure it out sure we keep that same logical talk wings in a minute but when we're talking in a phone you have 17 and you're seven games in in two and five you don't have a lot of you know in five games we'll figure this out okay well in five games you might be two and ten and out of here you know I mean so yeah I think I think Jets are in a world of yeah you better win some games or just gonna get uncomfortable conversations yeah 100 if it's not already it's very uncomfortable now everyone's looking at Rogers like what do we do and Rogers like I'm not controlling anything everyone's like you're a full shit when you when you play the Steelers this week and I believe the Patriots the week after I think or something like that or there's a week in between there something I'm looking up right now let's see New York Jets schedule let's see yep you're a hundred percent right you get Steelers and then they play then they play the Patriots Texans Cardinals that's their next four see realistically it depends how you want I think they need to I mean three and one yeah I'd stop saying I think they need to be three and one okay take the Houston game right say they lose to you because it is a short week right it's a Thursday night right but I think you need to beat the Steelers and then you should debt you should beat New England if you don't beat New England with Drake May and that you talk about a bad offensive line with no weapons um poor bastard and then okay say you go and lose to Houston fine and then the Cardinals have clearly shown that they're not the team of like that on becoming yeah they've been struggling so like yeah offense is fine but yes exactly it's just not working and then you got the Colts and Seahawks again you're playing a whole bunch of games that theoretically you're gonna be favored to win you're gonna favor to beat the Colts you're gonna be favored to beat Seattle probably the way Seattle's playing right now yeah so it's not looking like a heart yeah exactly those teams are dumpster fires yeah so I mean you have some games to win here if you know if you're coming out the next two yeah or two of the next like five yeah it's not you're kind of like mmm like you really need to stack some wins here just having to play Buffalo again you're gonna have dolphins with probably to a bet because that's like a monthly in a month and a half from now sure so it's not gonna be a walk walk yeah sure like yep like Skylar Thompson or whoever Tyler Huntley's back there um he was a pro baller damn it he was a pro he was a pro baller one isn't that doesn't that kill it goes yeah on so many levels like wait wait no offense alliance but when they came out they're like we have 12 pro bowlers I go yeah okay tell me how many all then it was like penays and all pro yeah okay yeah exactly but the pro bowl I go catch me with that one Matthew Stafford was a pro bowl MVP all right that's crazy yeah that's right it's the same thing I feel with the NBA All-Star I'm like I'm like you already know 10 I can name you the top 10 All-Stars right now you know I mean you know well you got Cade right you got J-9 yeah obviously starting to come over yeah I guess he not you know Isaiah Stewart clearly the sixth man of the year we just know it's coming anyway um we'll see where his eyes are yeah those prop bets yeah those prop bets infinity a number on the prop bets good that little ball pretty high don't hit like 20,000 yeah that's enough that's enough that's a billion a billion to one oh my god it's a billion to one I don't even know if you'd put a dollar on that yeah yeah you're just like I think I'd rather just go get a McDonald's Coke with that money yeah that's more well suited anyway uh other trade though speaking of the division though right jets are like hey Devante Adams bills are like oh we just got done beating your ass let's checkmate you and go get a Mario Cooper yeah and I went that is the if we're talking about two teams on two ends of a spectrum yeah could not be farther apart in that regard where I go that move I could not agree with more yeah the compensation nothing literally nothing and then you get a guy who you've seen been productive with Deshaun Watson suck ass throw in the football and then also now you're like oh now Keon Coleman becomes our two and should clear comes the three exactly like oh shit yeah now we got a situation here and now we're looking at Buffalo in a completely different way Josh Allen is having a resurgence this year after a couple down year it's clearly our fault because we thought he was gonna win MVP it's all bad my bad yeah um I heard I think I thought I heard that my homes and Jordan love are also gonna win MVPs together yeah hopefully they're gonna be cool MVP yeah um yeah they can jerk themselves off but anyway um did you get that same darn old love yet yeah no kidding um yeah but you look at Buffalo and that's the kind of move that Buffalo makes we're a team where I go that's a guy that's a team that understands hey look we're playing really well right now yeah and we don't we don't need this but imagine if if the price is right in Cleveland's clearly desperate yeah now you're like man why not this yeah this move is giving me very much like 49ers getting chase young last year moves where I was like nine years getting Christian McCaff or you know oh yeah but she that was like a splash year yeah the the the Chris the chase young one last one was like a fourth round pick and you're like it just sure's up you're already awesome d-line sure like this move for me was like you could probably be fine at wide receiver with what you had yeah because you have to really this was up this was that we're making the playoffs and we need to make sure we have consistency and a guy who's done it yeah that's that's no 100 because I was like you have your two tight ends you have pretty good running back old lines pretty solid if we could just kick Keon Coleman back to number two yeah if we're not relying on Keon Coleman to carry would be perfect yeah and then that's what this move was yeah here's the guy who just runs medium routes right he's just always open runs those out routes consistent hands has been a consistent thousand year of receiver no matter where he's been and you know he's an okay team guy all things consider I can't believe he's on his fourth team by the way it's kind of crazy to think about um but like that was a move where I went that's genius yeah that is a move where you go yep I understand it I get it and it makes all the sense in the world and for the compensation you're just like oh you took advantage of a bad Cleveland team who was in quarterback hell right through their cap situation I can't even I want to throw up looking at it it's terrible. What I love is how they have like 30 million in cap space right now and the next year they're like negative 72 and I'm just like stop kicking the can down the road just accept it um I love the move for Buffalo I think it immediately puts them right back into that contention as that one of those four teams yeah where you're like yep Baltimore we're coming for you you know Ken City we're we're trying you know what I mean like you know I want to say it but like I don't know right um and obviously Houston right we're coming for you so it's like I felt like Buffalo that was a mover ago hey don't forget about us yeah Josh Allen's playing at an MVP level right now now we're going to give him a little bit of help and a team guy who doesn't say a whole lot a lot better than Stefan Diggs yeah no yeah I thought it was a great move I think the only thing Amari Cooper was having this year was he was having some drops these problems um some of them were bad balls some of them were just oh you should probably have caught that yeah so I think other than that yeah which is why I think it was like a much lesser deal because he's dropping a lot but other than that love the move he's older right you know he's you know he's I mean shit one's like one was he drafted it's been a minute right we went to Raiders to Dallas to to Cleveland to here so like but again I think it's a solid move where again now you've got three guys where you go yeah he is he gonna be considered the one in our eyes sure but even if he's not but he's just another threat for Josh Allen yeah now you're just like okay now you've got legit guys on both sides of the ball you're three wide receiver sets look a lot better yeah you're too you're too wide out with your two two wide two tight end sets look a lot nicer and again I think I can't over say now Josh Allen has legitimately taken a massive step forward he's like all right I need to yeah he still has like a game or two where you just go that's just not good yeah like the the game went two weeks ago sure where he went like nine for 40 and I was like you probably shouldn't be doing that yeah other than that yeah awesome he's probably top five in the MVP voting right now oh yeah absolutely maybe top three probably well listen it's going to go Jerigoff mmm Penaisool yeah Dan Campbell somehow I don't know that's crazy how he gets in there no stats Campbell is Brian Branch clearly that's player of the year Aiden Hutchinson RIP but you know and then you can put Josh in there yeah there you go uh but no I love I love the move of Buffalo let's all right let's get to the doom and gloom of the show now not Red Wings that's coming in the same good god um I spent all we I spent that whole show of piping them up and then they come out here and play a turd in front of everybody for the first four games or three games three games four games four games four games anything but four they play the one and three yeah they're one in three yeah they're one in three yeah um but they do play that one team that's all in four so make sure get on Saturday baby anyway let's get to let's talk Lions so Lions Lou first off Lions come off one of the most dominating victories I have ever seen them play like all three phases they just beat the shit out of Dallas and to your point right we talked off here like you better beat this Dallas team they're beat up right there's clearly an idea talk about a team who can't run the ball holy shnikeys that is bad new fairs in so many ways um Dallas looks awful yes right now I'm legit surprised that Mike McCarthy is still employed but I digress Robert Salah two and three fired you know Dallas can't win a game at home or even keep them relatively close that's just let's just see how it goes you know you know well one guy had three previous 12 and five years the other guy can't have a winning season that's fair that's fair that's fair but he's in Dallas and he's supposed to win super that's sure my they're America's team Mike they're America's team right my bad right they can't build a stadium that blocks the sun from shining in your quarterback's eyes but damn it they have helicopters and that's important okay um they have to stop practice so the hell like so there's an owner can land in their practice field via helicopter saw that clip um anyway lions come off a big win against Dallas coming out of the bye right needed um but in the process they lose Aidan Hutchinson for the year broken leg terrible I've read reports now it was a clean break no muscle no ligament nothing damage it's just the bone at this point if they make the Super Bowl there's a chance he plays there right which is crazy to think about because it was gross um not as gross as that Stanford player did you see that injury that was yucky mm-hmm but um not as bad as some of them I've seen but no well the Louisville guy is never gonna be stopped listen him and then Paul George's was pretty gross yeah I mean like Alex Smith I think the thing with Hutchinson's oh Alex Smith was oh my god that's the thing with the thing with Hutch's was it was like in a group of people yeah you couldn't really see it so you couldn't see until they like zoom in slow down on it some of like the Louisville one or like Alex Smith were just kind of like Alex Smith's foot was the wrong way yeah Dax was like because there's an open field yeah so you can just get the clear shot of like wear a car had a gross one too when he heard him like there's been there's been a lot of these the fact that we have examples he's already off the cuff corded haywords yeah like a lot of but they all have been like open court or open field it's like Hutchinson's I like when he went down I was like did he hear his hand that's what I thought I thought he heard his arm because he took his glove off I thought he was I think all he heard his shoulder I thought he like pulled it out of his socket and then and then my uncle we're on a I'm in a big group chat with like my dad my uncle his son and uh my grandpa and we always text like throughout the game right it's the most negative texture ever I am I am rough um but you know and then at the end they're like no we won cool yeah um but I was like oh I think you heard his hand and my uncle goes no it was his leg and then I saw I checked where to go oh shit yeah yeah not good yeah I definitely thought it was the eggs he took the glove off I was like oh that's not that bad yeah all right not great anyway um so they lose him for the year that sucks ass clearly um but let's talk I don't really know is there anything else you really want to talk about in terms of that I don't really know what else it was to say I am not a big fan of running scores up that's my only thing yeah well I mean I can stop it um see I I would like to say that yeah but then if when the lines are bad like forever they have been and they have done it I know but like I want teams to stop running it up on us well they did they did pull their starters out well I know and that's when they stop yeah up like yeah like golf's playing when they're up like 40 yeah why yeah well you know at one point right it was like okay they just kept kicking field goals I listen I get it to some extent when it was like 31 to 6 I like whole people yeah this team is they were so you've seen you've seen teams come back they are so not lying to play this game oh my god yeah like like the start of the third quarter I was like when they scored I was like oh it's yeah I know I was like this team doesn't even want to play anymore yeah it was bad yeah anyway um the the narrative now has come out right of all right Hutchinson's down your Super Bowl window is closed right it's over seasons over everybody's dead everything's over can't do it you're not allowed i didn't hudg since done you already lost Marcus Davenport who everybody hated at the beginning when they signed him anyway but you've lost your two starting dns you're not a football team anymore you might as well just play soccer and go play rexum for Ryan Reynolds okay that's that's it if you listen to Detroit sports radio nowadays that is the narrative is that um that's okay um so this is naturally brought up the conversation of okay what are the lines going to do now they signed Isaiah Thomas a defensive end office since then his practice squad I know called your breath crazy the Isaiah Thomas the Isaiah Thomas and listen there's no bad Isaiah Thomas in Detroit okay it all works out Chicago not so much but it's fine um but the the question now is right and let's we we got to have it because this is what we do right a you know do you think they need to make a move or an additional one i guess whatever right a any an impactful move and then be how impactful do you want them to be yeah right and are you okay with what that potentially could look like right so let's just set the stage right let's just get the big ones out of the way right now Max Crosby yeah Miles Garrett and Asan Radik right those are the three names that a lot of people are like you know losing their mind over right now right um I'll let you go first I have a lot of thoughts on this in terms of what I think they're gonna do right and if you want to go with what you'd like and then what you think they're actually going to do please go ahead and go that route with it but there's a lot of stuff coming out on the airways right now and it makes for sexy radio right of course oh my gosh can you imagine if they do X yeah of course right we talked about earlier what are they traded for Devontay Adams am I gonna be mad about it no i'm not gonna be mad about it is it cool in the moment sure yeah two years from now we're like man I kind of wish I would have had that pick maybe so right it's it's all whatever I understand um thoughts on do they make a move right would you like to see them do that do you want to see them go after that that sexy name give me kind of give me thoughts uh well my initial thought is I kind of want to see this Minnesota game first okay and maybe that's not the popular and if they come out just beat the shit out of Minnesota this week so that's the thing is if the defense looks fine fine to good right i mean i'll allow 40 points yeah then i go okay but maybe let's not go crazy sure let's not like throw the brakes off of this yeah because maybe they can handle their own losing one player right i understand it's probably the best defensive player you have a long shot oh of course but like yeah but he was defensive like if we're being honest right through for five six weeks he's probably defensively he's an easily top two three with like tj watt and yeah name another guy yep um but so i want to see the Minnesota game first because it's a good litmus test and i think they do too let's be clear i do think they do too because like i said do well i don't think they go super crazy if they just get blown up by 40 points i think it's maybe we make a move right and because of that like if darlin just sits back there i'll take him apart yeah if he sit back there he has all day to throw and they score on the first three drives effortlessly and you're like we have no pass rush to speak of at all it's even hard for me to say that because that happens so often against an air and glenn defense so it's like well it's the offense playing well all right well this is just a normal lion's game you know what i mean you're like even if hutch is out there it's like hutch had six had six sacks in a game but we still didn't win so i was gonna say even if this looks like a chargers game where it's like 47 44 yeah i'm not gonna be like i don't love the defense you know the offense will cost them because that's how it usually is yep so i kind of want to see the minnesota game yeah i would be definitely open to trading yeah um i would like max cross we would be awesome and i say that because i would faint just so no matter what the compensation is one he's awesome yeah to him and hutch like next year and years forward unbelievable you know the best offensive line and the best offensive line in football pretty much you know i mean like even the writers the niners don't have that second piece yeah to really get there yeah so that would be awesome and if the compensation was kind of a lot i honestly trust brad homes with the picks he would have sure to find talent that you would need to suffice because i think realistically if you're like okay this seems an nsc championship team hypothetically right and you go get max crossby dang it we lose our 28th overall pick yeah like how many great stud players are we getting at the 28th pick if you're talking we lose our top five pick maybe slightly different story sure but because you think this seems gonna be good right yeah the second best team in the nfc record wise right now exactly and now you might can argue they're the best playing team right now they'll be minnesota on sunday which by the time you guys hear this show you'll know the result of that they could be the number one team in the nfc yeah so i want to see the minnesota game but i'd be open to trading um i think so i think miles gear would be cheaper to get right now but i think max crossby is the one i would want to get if you were going so so if you're gonna make that splash move you're thinking max cross yeah okay right is there a guy on like a uh a second tier guy that you'd be willing to trade for if if not that i'm sure there probably is i'm not gonna say off the top of my head that i'm like yeah that third string edge at sinceanates the guy to go get but there's probably a few guys that i'd be cool with if i thought about it for yeah i'm trying to bring up an article right now to kind of help you out with that because i do think um uh like i'm sure i mean like can't see you wouldn't train anybody away but hold on i got you hold on i'm trying to find uh does that like i know there's a like like denver has edge guy who's like pretty solid but like it's kind of like a rotational guy there um there we go 10 edge candidates this is from pryad to trite okay so we'll take those three guys off the list okay so max crossby asan radic and um miles gear yeah okay sound right kind of scares me a little so asan radic i don't think happens and i'm i'm gonna give you reasons why for the top three yeah why they could or could not happen i'll give you that in a second yeah sure but another name out there tray henrikson from the bangles right he fits the scheme right he played in new warlands right i don't think since they would give him up um well he was complaining about contracts that's why the well yeah yeah but i uh zideria smith the other edge rusher cheap 32 years old right you got some you know um that's that's a very much a stop gap one year maybe next year you know what i mean herald landry 28 years old yeah i don't know titans went all in this year don't forget listen they're playing 2010 madden all right yeah it was really hard it's crazy um if you picked men 15 right now you'd be like yeah the grace to remember um and then some other kind of lesser names or names that are probably maybe not as sexy or not uh jadevian clounie um um uh travon walker that's been floated about a lot just because jackseville sucks he has not necessarily been the best player it'd be crazy right to think about right but you know weird things have happened right um i don't think i don't think the the this is a espn mock trade thing they said um a 2025 fourth in a 2026 fourth i can't imagine the jags sell that low especially with travon still on a rookie contract but they're the jags right so i don't know um aziz ojallari from the giants um so another one i don't know you know what i mean um he kind of fits more of the brian brian or brian uh Derek Barnes role but maybe right he's just a past rusher right jaymond davis again another guy more of the sam limebaker role from the commanders i can't imagine the commanders would do anything but apparently he's fallen out of favor in washington so yeah maybe i can't imagine anything except ad yeah right especially right now um and then josh ooce from new england who you know he's two years removed from a 12 sec season right uh but anyway all right so i i'm gonna be mr debbie down here for a second and then i'll kind of get to right kind of a where i do do you think they're gonna make a move i would lean no yeah but just i just think we have historical knowledge to say it doesn't seem likely that they're going to make yeah move right everyone wanted them to get chase young last year they were like nah we're going to make a smaller move over here to kind of operate before yeah i think it's harder when you have like the super bowl sure like yeah and brian holmes has come out and said the goal is super bowl that's the expectation like when that's the exit ends up like because last year was i just make the playoffs i think the last year was like let's see if we can build and let's see where this goes and then you're like oh we're really good yeah exactly but i think like this year when everyone's like super super like it'd be hard like because i'm like i wonder what like the chiefs would do if they lost chris jones like would they make one of these huge moves or would they do maybe we can just handle well we've seen them get rid of guys like tirey kill and they go okay you know you know like it's on the defensive side yeah sure they let tire math you go that's sure they didn't i mean they let him go they traded but then they traded away lagerie snee yeah they did you know what i mean they just did that because they're like we can't pay you we don't want to pay you this amount of money you know trade to tennessee which he's over there dying and they're like we're just gonna kind of roll with it so yeah you know and and i'm glad you brought those teams up but uh so here's the thing let's start with like the the ones i'm like i would not be as big a fan of i i don't think as honoritic fits this team i don't think the personality wise fits i don't think they're gonna want to pay him right because the whole reason why he's not playing for new york now is because he's not getting a contract right nobody wants to pay him right now so i can't imagine why the lions would be like oh sign me up for a guy who was now held out on two teams and has yet to play this year right um it just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense in that regard um he seems very much and listen you know i'm all four players getting their money but the lions want guys that are going to fit a certain culture and that's been glaringly obvious to us at this point if you haven't noticed um so i don't think is honoritic i know they've made calls so maybe that is maybe he's the easiest to acquire maybe that's why they've made that call if they got him i wouldn't be upset right but i think that's the one where i go what's the compensation right and how much are they gonna pay him because i do think that would come with a contract extension and i don't know if they know if that's the the right way to go um miles garret super intriguing to me um i don't know if i don't know if the browns would do it though i just don't i think they're still trying to hang their hat a little bit on their defense maybe trying to save them while they figure out this quarterback situation um yeah miles that's really hard if you're cleveland be like but look we got a first round pick in the lines with stupid like look we got picked 32 and you're like yay even if they okay say it's 24 yeah either way you're like yeah you're like great i just lost three years and miles garret for this you know what i mean and by the way the shawm wats is still my starting quarterback so shit um max cross v's interesting now max cross v's gonna cost the most right but i say that with an asterisk because we've now seen him make comments where he goes i'm not here to rebuild him here to win right it's not it's very clear he would not mind coming back to play he's made comments before that if he was playing for somebody other than the rares he'd like to be in Detroit he's from Detroit um and i think the raiders are a little bit vulnerable right now i very much think that if max cross v is even the least unhappy right now at like the bare minimum right if they can somehow get the raiders to go look he's gonna want out or if max cross v himself goes look you know what i kind of want to leave right now all of a sudden that helps the lions immensely in terms of negotiation um i just think it's hard to kind of project brad homes at this point based on what we have historically for him to go make this big of a swing right um and the other thing too and i'm glad you brought up the draft stuff right because it's like okay well you know if it's the 28th pick right and that you have to give a first a way to get a miles gear or am i those the only two guys by the way that i'm willing to even remotely think about trading away a first round pick for by the way there's nobody else of no unless like you're telling oh chris jones is coming yeah okay well that's a different conversation but outside of that right you go okay brad homes what he has done in the later portion of rounds and turn and in the second round has been nothing short of phenomenal right because you think about okay we're gonna trade around a second on a pick okay then you don't have brian branch or you don't have a sample porta yeah right you don't have a let's just say a levi right or whatever they name somebody that you really fond of right in these middle rounds that that homes is hit on so it's not just simply just well you know screw them picks right like less need style which i get everyone's like that's where he came from and the rams and blah blah blah blah brad homes has not done that furthermore if you look at it they're so picky about who they sign right you've noticed they've never signed in a contract longer than three years for any external free agent right everybody that they've signed a long-term deals are guys that have been with the organization for more than two years or have been guys they've drafted almond raw right pinai decker rag now glass cow golf a lean mc kneel which will hit on in a second there isn't a single guy on this roster who's gotten paid by this regime that is not a dang Campbell brad homes picked guy outside of taylor decker he's the only one oh i guess in glass cow right but those guys are so good they're positioned they're like well we have to pay them you know they're so culturally like driven and so stubborn to that fact right where it's like man i just it's very hard you know for me to see that right i would love to see max crowds be get dealt here i just don't know what that deal would look like so i'm going to go on the limit say they if they do make a move i could see some of those lower end guys right like as a darius smith on a one-year deal you know somebody like that who is it was a plug-and-play guy sure right but it's just more of a guy that you add to the rotation of other guys that you have of the levi's of the josh pascals of the james houston's of the uquis of the name a guy name a guy name a guy name a guy they're just the sexy name out of that group maybe perhaps i don't necessarily know if they go and make that generation like oh shit we're going for it yeah now a couple weeks away still they're making calls who the hell knows and listen if mass crowdsby goes in and says hey um i want to be go i want to go to detroit that's the only like figure it out like roger's did right is i want to go to new york then maybe that helps detroit considerably the odds of that happening though probably not likely um i do want to get into this narrative though that the lion's window is closed do you think that this is just completely shot their super bowl hopes at this point i don't think it's helped obviously but i i can't say that just all because they lost and listen i get it he's their best defensive player i understand that but at the same time this is why you have a team and this is like i still think they're good enough to get there i guess is my point is it gonna be easier of course not but it wasn't gonna be easy with hutch right there's there's schedules not is not a cake walk you know everyone in chicago right now is glowing at foreign to while you're beating up carolina they don't have an easy game on this schedule for the most part right you got through one in arizona you got one in ten to see that's about it you know um i still think the window and the ceiling is there and i still think that they're they have the ability to do that yeah i think it's harder i think it puts more stress on your offense because i think your offense has got to be awesome a lot more often but i do think you've added depth in your secondary and you've seen this depth kind of play out i think you have the right now currently i think you have the best safety can i'm in the league right now playing in kirby joseph brian branch i don't think come together i don't think there's another safety duo playing at the time of level that they are right now i think that you have enough i just don't know if it's just going to be this cake walk that everyone all of a sudden makes it out to me now that you've lost hutch i think you need to find the production sure i maybe change some shit up but i do think that you still are a very good football team yeah i mean i think it's like if they had hutch and they played the chief who are you taking chiefs okay then right so it's like you know i what i would say is i think the road will be difficult more difficult not in terms of team wise in terms of like oh you don't have your best defensive player so obviously it gets harder right i think in terms of like i think there's a more of a chance that you lose a few more games on the regular season because of this sure which in turn makes your road harder makes your road harder because i don't get that home playoff game i think instead of maybe winning the division like everyone thought you were maybe now you're the five or six seed sure because minnesota keeps winning and they're you know super healthy yeah for the pack or suit their thing or whatever and now going on the road to Tampa and then going on the road to the Niners or the eat like yeah having these road games and saying i'm going oh we get to host the Rams and then host Tampa they don't play like i just think your road of games might be harder because without hutch you lose a game or two extra because you don't get that guy to make that play exactly yeah so i think in terms of that it gets more difficult but in terms of pre-hutch injury if you went through the top teams and said who would you take lions or this team and then post-hutch injury who would you say who would you take this team or the lions i don't think the amount of teams yeah drastically changes no i i would say like i think some of the teams like minnesota green bay yeah maybe the 49ers yeah or some of the teams where it's like i'm a little more 50-50 like i think like the packers would be like i think we could beat them yeah without hutch i go i still think you can beat them but i would sure like hutch there 75-25 to like 64 you know i mean absolutely but like Tampa i still think you go and beat Tampa without hutch yeah you know i mean like yep anyone in the east i think you can go in and beat and you went for the afc side i don't think you can beat ball tomorrow but i think you could beat them beforehand right uh but like houston right i think it's about the same yeah you know the uh bills about the same so i don't think you're gonna find out because they play them both yeah they play all of these teams at one point the next like seven weeks or whatever it is so you'll know but i'm just you know i just don't think listen i'm not i'm not ignorant to the fact that all of a sudden this this road got immensely more difficult right i just can't imagine them mortgaging the future to go all in right now right like it just seems hard for me for them to do that and they beat minnesota this week and they're five in one they're the best team in football right it's them and the chiefs like record-wise performance-wise they're the best two teams so it's like you can't just come out here and write them off and say well now they're dead in addendum to that Aleem McNeil gets an extension right gets a big contract for your extension 55 million guarantee blah blah blah blah right um i find it hilarious that our friends at 97 won the ticket have tried to draw a correlation to aid in hutchinson gets hurt and Aleem McNeil gets extended mm-hmm and how those two things impact one another at all mm-hmm i don't know how you feel about this but i find that the most asinine thinking in the world if you think NFL contracts get done in 48 hours post an injury to an impact player like aid in hutchinson and go oh well we just lost hutch so we got to sign a lean man on extension that is the dumbest thinking i've ever heard NFL contracts don't get signed that fast number one and number two they were going to extend a lean anyway yeah this was happening whether we happen now or two months from now at the end of the season it was happening i don't understand why people are thinking that well why did we sign a lean we don't even know what a lean looks like without hutch they're not mutually exclusive to one another yeah it's a room together like i just i don't know i just heard that this past week where you know somebody said that you know brad homes is almost like it was almost like um you're being a little ignorant to the fact like he's like the smartest man in the room type of thing well i'm going to extend a lean you know because i lost hutch that's my move i'm not gonna not gonna sign a guy i go those none of these things together have any impact on one another you know what i mean like if they extend name a guy tomorrow carlton davis does that mean the be oh well they need to lock up carlton davis now because aid in hutchinson's hurt for the rest of year they're not mutually exclusive yeah you know what i mean i just thoughts on the mcneil extension um did you think that it had any correlation at all to hutch's injury because i'm just trying to find i'm i'm finding it very difficult to find the line there because i was like oh it's very convenient i go they just signed davis montgomery yeah to an extension and everyone's like yeah sounds good congratulations david hmm why is this any different yeah i mean i think if you were gonna say that in terms of a line yeah i think it would be i think you would have heard that they delayed an extension to see how he plays without hutchinson no shit exactly you know like i think like yeah yeah like if your star guy next to him goes out it's like but he's our guy now so like we're gonna extend him yeah that logic doesn't necessarily make sense it would make more sense of oh we're gonna definitely extend this guy hutchinson goes out goes now we have the opportunity to see what he looks like without hutch because if he's still getting his numbers and pressures and everything without hutch right then when hutch is there and they've already said listen they've already suddenly need help because they just signed dj reader yeah so they're like hey a dj reader and a lean together holy shit yeah look at that so that's like the only correlation that's with uh yeah line and dtackle is yeah i just i just didn't get it but um i didn't really have any thoughts on leon i thought the number was high yeah um i mean i mean he's not the highest pay dtack on football i need to see him though look like he didn't dallas yeah right i need to see that level of like man you noticed a lean mcneil against dallas yeah you know i mean um so i'm hopeful that that's you know what we see also thoughts on the david my gum ring extension anything really just a one-year extension yeah after what he already has on his deal so yeah he's here for the next three years basically very cool so he runs football he runs the football he is a detroit lion though in like so many ways like he really like he is such an underrated he may go down as one of my favorite frayed signings i've ever had if they get this done when it's super cool because he's so key it's what they do it's kind of crazy he's like the underrated he'd be probably super well evp yeah he's like yeah he 100% worse he's like oh what a david my gum ring oh he had 17 carries for 112 yards and two touchdowns you go really yeah yeah oh yeah okay yeah fantastic all right let's shift focus here a little bit here let's get to the mba let's oh no i'm sorry let's get to the wings first i almost forgot about it how dare i yeah wings start out their season they're one and three problems galore defensively your power play sucks um give me some positives i don't really know if there is a whole lot maybe they're bringing up marco cast for this weekend for the game so that's unpositive because you probably should have made the team um when is it time yeah to push the panic button and when i panic button i mean when does dare go long get fired because i'm guessing if they don't turn it around soon here i'm guessing he's gonna get canned um so assuming they don't what what is it is it ten games is it seven games at eight games they're one and one and three right now they get a big win over nashville which is hilarious because nash was playoff team um lose at home to pittsburgh in rough go and then get their shit kicked in by new york on back to back week nights um thoughts anything i don't know i'm very frustrated with this team right now they look like they don't want to be there and that's the part that's pissing me off is they look slow and disorganized um and i don't get it yeah i mean it's not been great it's uh they look yeah i mean you kind of nailed it all on that they look slow unengaged um their power play looks like legit shit yeah power plays i like i just there's not a lot i would say panic button you gotta give it a little bit because mba wise football wise like you have teams like the same to start out to and oh and everyone's like oh god that's damn and then they lose five straight and you go out so they stink or you have teams like since nanny who are gonna start one and four and probably somehow be like ten and seven and you go how did that math work um so i think some teams just start out slower last year i think they used like nuclear hot heat yeah uh when they started and they cooled off obviously the middle and yep and kind of lost at the end um maybe you and the tigers started off sure pretty rough this year sure hot heat in august it's a temper and then made the playoffs so i think it's hard i think you got to give it to like mid seasonish before you can really like if you're sitting there at you know 40 points halfway through the season you go maybe we need to do something else right but okay all right because i think if like ten games in you're like no no that's not working blowing up like i think that's all they're one and nine i don't think that we want to know that's hope not i i would like to see them get back to 500 here the next couple weeks that would be nice um you know just get back to some semblance of competitive hockey this is ridiculous and it's not going to get any easier either that's the thing so it's like you better figure it out um all right that's all i got in the wings i'm so mad at them right now i was frustrated i was very difficult to watch let's talk mba prop bed so this will be a lot more fun um mba prop beds we are on the cusp of another mba season mic detroit pistons to win it all this year book it by all i mean all 32 games that's right i'm doubling down on that number um but uh mba prop bets mic uh any of these you're going to be betting on rookie of the year branny james nope dalton connect honestly maybe um we'll go we'll go through them all right i'll let you know all right so as i'm going through these i have what someone predicts is the winner in each category i don't have like a top three or top five okay it says in here somewhere which was um so we'll just run through this i'll say them okay and who they think is going to win and then we can throw flags and go i don't think it's this person it's this person or go that's on the pot right all right we'll start i'm going to go like least uh top probably all right coach of the year damn just shading all the coaches yeah coach of the year they have emay duka the houston coach no i don't think so i don't think so either i think it's going to be even though i do think in terms of yeah progress and rock yeah from the eater seeing the impact of a coach yes i think i think he could have the most impact as a coach i think it might be okay c's coach i was good about saving a what i it's like is it like brooks or something like that or is that's old one no i think that's the old coach i think i knew okay yeah i was about to say i think it's okay c coach you win the number one in c in the west go to western conference finals book it pretty much i mean i'm trying to think of like some middle like like a pacers coach maybe if they make a run or something unless they listen you're going to have to see a magic run by a team yeah in order to change my mind on this like you know if numb nuts from boston right they're like okay you're you're 12 deep i don't think like it's the easiest coach can't do it like steve cur winning it it'd be like yeah unless like cur like he if he got them to like the three c this year that's different but like when you had the super team you go this is the easiest thing in the world for you yeah i i think it's okay c's coach just because he i don't think he's won it like if uh who's who's the current coach for the pistons right now bicker staff jaybie bicker staff like if the pistons were like they made the playoffs you go yeah holy shit that's a that's a 30 win turnaround oh my god exactly so like it's either you got to be that or you're just one of the top three seeds on each side yeah and so i i get who hasn't won it yet um in season or just keep in season stuff okay i'm not doing in season mvp in season tournament mvp heart in season tournament mvp yeah heartless good lord it's gonna be talk about accolades that don't mean anything it's gonna be like the middling team yeah that tries way too hard that wins the thing okay cutting him baby it's happening yeah so you heard it here first all right he's won all the awards baby all star mvp also doesn't matter but they have anthony edwards which 100 percent i could see happening sure by the way we're dunk count and test winner is that on there is not on here was that uh met with cloon yeah i was gonna say the guy from the g league yeah who wins every the last like three years all right six men here who do you think the best it's kind of hard because we don't know full starting line-ups everywhere yeah right now they have malike monk who's coming off the bench for the king still he was really good off the bench last year yeah this is tough for me trying to think off the top of my head um you would know better than i would on this one unfortunately yeah uh it's hard because like i would say someone from like denver or something but denver doesn't go wrong to it this year russ actually maybe he's not a good team russ has a decent shot at it yeah uh anyone from he's not gonna start right no you hope not no oh yeah you got your mom right there they're not starting there not exactly so must have all comes off the bench be a team player you know at what point can dream on come off the bench and then he'll just be a six fan dude i i'm like low key afraid to watch this warriors team this year because i think they're gonna be really terrible it's gonna be stuff and just everybody else is just poop yeah i drafted stuff in a fantasy basketball league i'm in a wide good on you because he's gonna be the only one who can shoot the damn basketball oh you know he's another good one yeah nazarid the minnesota guy i was gonna say i was almost gonna say that but i was like is he's gonna be starting i don't know if he's gonna start i think he's got because i think randals and i think it's randall and go bare that was so nazarid's gonna be there nazarid's also uh yeah that's a probably yeah he's gonna get some fanfare for sure yeah unless he just comes out and he goes oh i'm nazarid and he regresses back to the mean and everyone everybody minnesota goes it's out of a bitch most improved player oh there's a lot of good young guys yeah they have evan mopley that's not a bad one that's not a bad option not bad um most improved is tough because he had to pick someone who's so so here's the i could see somebody like a cade that's like in this situation or like vk if he makes his first all-star game gets that 26 point mark you're kind of looking for yeah we get to 25 wins all of a sudden you're like look it was cade it was all cade it was the cade show blah blah blah blah yeah i think it's the one of these this is the only one i think the pistons have a real shot at it would be pretty much um besides mvp and finals mvp it's fine pistons i'm available for higher yeah so i think that's a good option i think a lot of teams like three or fours like if you were like um but most improved to me like like i like the the nfl was talking about this recently because they were like sam darlin's not eligible to win like come back player of the year because like he didn't get hurt or something like that so it's like who was a guy that got like like hurt or was out a lot you know like he can't quite let her win most improved no oh why not because he's one championships yeah but he's never but he hasn't played he would he would be like come back player yeah if he was something okay like most improved to me is like like a cade yeah or like uh like a naz read or something who's like off the bench type player but it's like oh now we ever do is 15 or 16 you know or something like that i think every mobley is a good yeah option for this yeah sure or the you know jubari smiths or the paul bank arrows of the world could definitely sure yeah leads their team to a good playoff series win or something like that yeah exactly uh work of the year um i'm not going to ask you to remember all the rookies so because you know uh reed shepherd who went to the rockets number yep sure got nothing on that one yep that's fine um pistons elks are and a couple other guys are caught in a conduction but sure sure all right uh defensive play of the year rudy mother ref and go bear baby book it book mark uh they have rudy go bear victor women yama oh yeah that's the most obvious thing ever i was actually i'm not really being serious but rudy go ahead i think he's the worst basketball player i've ever seen but yeah victor has a good shot at it victor has a if he plays a full year yeah like in the spurs or even just remotely competitive like not even good just like hanging around until the end even they miss it the hard part that victor's gonna run into is definitely not like this year sure but like as his career goes on is he's just gonna average like seven blocks a game right so at what point like we can't give it to him every year that's fair yeah that's you know what that's a fair because that's like because that's an mba thing right it's like even if someone should be yeah a tip yeah because like yeah then like LeBron would have wanted a million one-on-one MVP a million times but you're like but that's just who he is and you go but he's the best player but like no we can't give it to him or let's give it a rant this year okay exactly so his mom loves him you know come on so like i feel like it's like when do you want to start the cycle of DPO because he's gonna win like five yeah sure it's just like do you want to start it when he's 20 or do you want to wait a couple years well the way they'll get out of that is when he wins MVP they're like well we get away don't give you play defense play of the year fair yeah he is winning the prize that's crazy um well um so yeah well yeah well LeBron never is gonna win defense play of the year that's gonna be the one thing he's never gonna have Jordan's gonna be like talk to me when you have three defense POIs okay that's the that it still grosses me out that he's never gonna win win well no well because in in the 2013 the guy who won it was second team olympia in defense when there were six people yeah because there was a tie well then because he didn't get defensive they're like well how do we spread out the awards equally they're having an insert in season tournament MVP Mike okay yeah they're giving a goodness I mean now they have a western Eastern Conference final MVP with Jalen Brunson wins in regular season MVP in in season tournament MVP oh god no no so i'm saying that's what i'm saying yeah no he that's a per you know what nailed on that that's a perfect team to win the in-season tournament oh yeah nix have one shit 30 years yep that's it babe we're come we're back hosting the finals of the in-season tournament against like yeah Denver or something they win no it'll be worse than that it'll be like yeah give me a give me like an app minnesota yeah that was the end yeah four sons a phoenix nix to all god yes to rant loses again on a big stage can't win can't lead his team even a normal tournament win let alone an mba finals oh my god them or the clippers kawaii comes back of just for the in-season tournament puts it on like crazy and steven a smith like he is the best basketball but LeBron James could never do it you know it's gonna happen yeah one of those two um i got MVP it's the only one i'm gonna bet this year it's gotta be lucas time i think i'd be lucas time like okay let's let's take off our funny hands for a second and be objective about this we've been talking about this basically for last year and a half where i do i genuinely do feel like lucas has now entered that echelon from being a fun good score right who you know was like yeah he's fun but the team success has yet to come to you just went to a finals yeah so now that the story the expectations and the conversation changes of hey he may be the second maybe the best player in the world right now because of what he does for his team which is also a good team and they're having the success on the court right so like i i legitimately think that to be the MVP you have to be on a good team and you have to be the one carrying that good team well from a historical precedence yeah since like jordan was winning though sure i think like the criteria was almost be a top three seed right so right like only the teams who were top three seeds outside of west brook when he averaged the triple yeah because no one had seen it for 50 years and yokich his right second one okay was because his entire that was a year jim all got hurt and everyone basically died and he carried them to the play to the playoffs basically yeah okay you don't got it you're choking on your words because you're giving yokich a compliment you're like yeah i can't do it um those are the only two outside that you usually have to be a top three seed and and all that and have the numbers and everything um i think he's gonna i think he's going to take his game not necessarily to another level but i think more people are gonna go and take notice of the fact that like oh they're also have they're also a 55 win team yes you know what i mean yes and i also hope if we keep the same year to year thing going once you like get to the finals you kind of get that head start in that the p-race too because yokich won his two years ago now and then last year he basically was already mvp before the season start because he won the championship if we keep that same notion i think luka with his numbers he had last year and getting third in voting i think should at least start right maybe slightly ahead of everyone and i think he's he's helped out by the fact by the team they lost to has too many stars so you can't give it to Jason tatum you can't give it to jail yeah they're gonna kind of cancel oh i'm sorry you have two guys at average 40 points a night plus three other guys that are also averaging 20 yeah meanwhile luka's got the whatever is left to clay Thompson which is well hope for the best but i don't know oh my goodness i told you i'm nervous dude i saw the stat one time he was like oh for nine no for nine two days ago yes and then you got kyrie Irving who you are seeing i think that i think that's an underrated part of luka's story though too which i think helps him is he's making kyrie better again he's making kyrie that his his robin yeah which is what the brawn did and you go look what i'm doing like i'm kind of helping him because i can take the load off and he can be the supporting character yeah you know so that's the one i'm betting i i just think he's number he's leading in betting right now i think yokage is to yonis and joe i i will say yonis is my i don't want to say dark horse because that's like i don't know where but i think yonis is due for a resurgence where he's healthy and he just comes out of the gate and he's like oh yeah the bucks are a problem again i i just want to say i don't think you can give it to yokage almost under any circumstances here the only way you do it is if he does something either truly remarkable like he's gonna have to pull the LeBron last year in the calves type of level where you're like everyone's hurt or there's no like in that case just everybody left but like everyone's hurt jamael's gone errand gorg's hurt it's like russ and him and he's caring he's like sure he's averaging 50 points a night yeah and and they get to the western conference but it's gonna be like a hurt because winning three out of four and the three times you won you like never got out of the second round which is crazy how that math works um i very much a regular season award 100 but i just think it's like i just don't think you can unless he has a judge do you think you think that you would look differently if they just gave it a week in between the end season and like the regular season and the playoffs and went we're gonna have our award show now so it's like a hundred a regular season MVP and then it doesn't look better when you're not always giving the award to someone who's sitting at home while everyone else is on the bubble like oh one MVP is on the way home as that Miami Heat are still celebrating and you're like exactly like it doesn't help by any means but also yeah i think i think jones is very close for me on the on the second just i i do think he's gonna come out with a vengeance yeah any any other any dark horse i am like legit like yeah i think even though i think he's high in the board sure i think sga yes good if they're the number one seed i think you have to i think he's got him there 30 to 32 i'll give you i'll give you one i think anthony edwards i think if if minnesota is a top four seed in the west right and they get either if they just get through to the second round of playoffs right when it went a series and then you know say they lose de denver or whoever i think that if him putting up 30 points a night without cat now right and the team is a little more competitive and balanced i could see that happen and i'll give you one more to just kind of like and you'll love this depending on how much longer lebron has i could highly see him being in that race even if the numbers maybe don't say it because he won't here's the thing his numbers are never going to be bad enough like cobis where you have to be clearly like oh well it's this last year so we're going to be nice to him and he's never going to look like shak or some of these really old guys that's just not how he how his style works yeah i a hundred percent could see him putting up 23 a night right seven assists nine rebounds playing eight you know playing 65 70 games getting the Lakers in the western conference finals and you go and he goes hey look guys i'm done i can see the brown getting it there too that's fair keeps the sun employed you know all that deal um all right we got three more oh so these are these these are like the championship type okay i'm with you so what eastern conference final mvp i'm gonna say it's honest here's his honest i'm gonna say the bucks get it figured out i think it's going to be finally that time dame is going to work they're going to overcome doc rivers because he's going to not be on the sideline because they're going to fire him okay uh they have tatum so basically their idea is having tato at ball statum's turn tatum's turn to finally do it yes western side yo good i'm just kidding i'm just kidding anthony edwards which means anthony edwards probably unless he has an absolutely just incredible western conference final but doesn't win yeah means that they have them in the finals which is which i don't not agree i'm not buying into but no no i i i i'll say kairi gets western conference final oh okay because the mass are gonna do it but luka has an off series and it's like well kairi's gonna carry the team and luka just won mvp is that that hangover and then luka comes out and drops fit i think if now i have to look more into it because i forgot if the western conference finals is all of it or if it's just the series of the western conference finals i forgot how they want to buy it that's that that's a good that's a good assessment last year i kind of thought that kairi had an argument yeah for the first like two rounds oh yeah but then luka went just bananas against minnesota and it was kind of like okay luka minnesota was like i don't know what to do with my hands when they get to us exactly but like the first two rounds i was like kairi's kind of because luka was hurt and kind of in now things like kairi was really kind of doing this thing maybe the clippers that's a good solid good solid clipper team yeah they they're the number one seed like they had a nice run last year they did and i think kairi realistically could have won it it's a luka went nuclear against minnesota sure but like i kind of i forgot if it's just western conference final or if it's the entire western conference yep in general because it was the entire thing in general i think kairi has an option but i really bummed out we're talking a lot about nales and if they suck yeah it's not gonna be fun and then they have the finals nvp which they have is chasing tatum which that means they have some repeating easy to lay up ever yeah i mean i do think you could be honest yeah i think you honestly could win the title i want a healthy bucks versus a healthy boston seed absolutely that's what i want i haven't gotten it ever i want to see it yes i'm done with seven sorry i beat go fight figure it out i i'm done with that i think the makes could be interesting they still got it but carly thie town's ain't gonna do shit for them not i really i really don't think he's the guy to push them over i thought jaylin bronson is the fact that he's playing the crazy i'm would not be shocked and call me a hater here hater if jaylin bronson takes a step back you might i thought he played out of his mind last year for big stretches yeah i don't know if that's jaylin bronson full time that's fair but maybe that's just me yeah so those are the uh pre-season prop bets i love it i'm taking the luka one yep just because i think i think it's gotta be his year i'm gonna cry if it's not do you have his jersey yet oh yeah you do oh okay i just yeah we have to go to all to go to a math i was i was t-shirt um right now of course you do um it's fine we gotta go to a math game we should go to a business game friday wafers right friday january 31st really i gotta hope i don't have practice but they're in detroit okay i gotta hope i don't have basketball practice but outside of that it works yeah okay let's book it now um all right sounds good um anyway uh let's get to it last topic of the day um some dream wrestle dream do do do do do do do do i don't know i don't know they don't have any entrance music it was a show mike um some stories have moved yeah right which i enjoyed yeah i thought this was a solid show thought there was i thought there was some surprises i did too um i think that i owe somebody an apology not you specifically but somebody on the roster on the show yep i think you go home talking about maybe you don't i don't know um personally maybe um maybe i thought i did think on the show itself there was some surprises like actually oh yes okay cool cool um i think we're entering and we do this every year where it's like i do think we're entering a little bit of a period here where a w's like all right we're getting our big players back and maybe we're gonna see a little bit of a boom again i just hope that it starts to shake out in rating numbers and in attendance because otherwise no one's going to pay attention to anything and we're just going to continue ahead the same conversation over again so um i'm looking forward to it though yeah if this is time to do it this is now because wb doing shit until rumble so um it's come a dome when eight thousand people in attendance we have really eight thousand that's what it says on jeez it might have been more but also why has it been two years since they've been in Detroit we didn't go last year did we or did we go last year did we go last year yeah okay so it's been like a year fourteen months well i think they've been to grand rapids but they haven't been to like lca really i know i know wb's gonna grab because they did because they did like a battle of the belts and a collision at like grand rapids or something in that one place it's like four hours away that we went to that one time i got you yeah so i think they've done that but i don't think they've they've gone to lca okay for a died of my yeah i know wb's going to grand rapids for a raw or a smack down yeah they're doing a double taping on a raw i think yeah uh all right we opened the show we had jay white we had adam page and low key pretty shocked i don't know why i was shocked but i was kind of shocked i was shocked too jay white with the win jay white with the win huge um win yeah humongous absolutely and that i was that was like i literally was watching this i was like okay this gives me hope for what we're going to see because we're starting to utilize some of the big names that we've signed and haven't done shit with jay white has not been but good since he's been there like let's be real i'll say there's continental classic stuff yeah but like you know the world title match he had against mgf where he loses literally everybody interferes and he still loses you know like that was rough uh he's been hurt obviously which hasn't helped i thought this was a really solid opener i think i think the crowd got into it um i think i expect jay white to be a huge player maybe he takes the to cast a role that maybe he thought be based off of what's happened we'll see um we're just gonna win it but it's fine yeah i don't know i think uh well we'll get that i want but yeah i know this is really good this man's really good i like the um you know why it worked though is because they worked a jay white style match they did and they didn't they allowed that to build and to grow right and i think hangman is really finding his his kind of his feet as he's yeah he's finding his heel he like he right now and i think jay white is so good at like baby facing that's not normal baby facing jay white is a is a very versatile performance yes that's why i thought he would work so much better than w e yeah well because like his met like he doesn't do the whole like let's go guys no no he never touches no he's just funny but he's just ungod he's like the mjf in the ring that i was about says like he him and mjf have a very similar style in approaching their baby face runs yeah is it's they're the same person but now you find it funny because now they're being sarcastic yeah exactly so i thought i thought this works yep i thought this match was great yep uh next up we had the aew women's world title match we had mariah may and willo nightingale oh by the way jay white match had four stars by the melter meter sure um mariah may not will nightingale this match went ten minutes fifty seconds mariah may gets the win to a shock of nobody um this match got three and a half stars on the melter meter i thought they did a tremendous job i really do the sound ten minutes you said ten fifty felt longer than ten but maybe that's just because i was sleepy i don't know um but i thought this match delivered yep i thought honestly it was a little bit early for willow but maybe that's just you know my personal preference um but i thought this match delivered i think you're making mariah may look like a credible champion yeah thought i thought they did a really nice you came out such a hot opener i was like oh this man's gonna die on the vine yeah didn't happen and i i was really happy to see it this is really good really unfortunate that her presser afterwards no one has to single question for her but yeah i was like what how do you not have something why would you even bring her up there yeah well like why don't you have like three plants in there that would be like hey you know talk to me about you know what's your future what you've seen tony storms doing some stuff in mexica some yeah i could have pulled something yeah they literally just sat there and she was like anybody anybody no okay and got up and left i was like yeah what just happened i was like why does this happen and i think i think i think this is part of the reason because you i think if you would have brought if any other tag team besides the young box would have gone up there right as tag camp i don't think anybody would have really said anything either no probably not um all right next up tnt title match a little bit of a lull on the show in my opinion yeah this is not great uh jack perry beating shabato with the whole chokamau chokamau basically passes out boy you pinned to that same time clip finish which i got not shot literally in the slightest that that was the finish no didn't mind the actual finish i thought it was at least creative in a sense of like okay but is jack ever going to win a match like normal it probably not you know i mean you want a ladder match to win the title right what is he like i don't know i just you want the you want the casket match match and stuff like it's been intense this was a match where i go these are the matches that i you deal with on shows that are not primary shows that you have to just kind of get through because you want to have them on the show i was just saying this is a russell dream middle of the match yes this is my berry Corbin versus you know a plumber yeah as a as a middle of the match for like this he's been going on on smackdown and he goes no one's watching smackdown and i'll give ww the pro to this sure with their five match cards right you have none of this match is not on here no no no it matches a smackdown match or raw match correct in that sense yes but i also like that they get pay per view well yeah we got nine minutes so no no anything i don't think it dragged on i don't think that i think they were i think it was hampered by the fact they couldn't follow what that was preceding them and also shabada doesn't speak english and that really hurts him yeah it really hurts him because you don't feel that same connection to him whatever you everyone online which is like the worst crowd ever so maybe it's not the greatest pole for this yeah but everyone online was like their whole build up would have been better if he just spoke like it said i want you or something like something in english just so it's like oh shit like he means business because he's trying to speak english rather than just text to type or whatever it is so shabada at this point feels like tony likes him yeah so that's why he's out there but shabada's not they're not even working the shabada style either no it just doesn't work yeah he did the whole i'm gonna sit down and like slap the shit out of you like they did with okata and stuff and jack's like or we go outside of the ring and do something out here and i was like it just doesn't work the same no like him and jereco were just terrible together yeah it wasn't great uh speaking of what wasn't great that was pretty great uh aw international title three-way match it was uh interesting placement they were like let's let's put it in the middle so that we have enough time to yeah i'll let this go because this is the longest second longest match on the show okay outside the main event okay so international three-way we had osprey defending obviously he gets ricochet and keshka this match got five and a half stars so yeah shock melts are loved it melts are loved it shocker too nobody yes um this match goes crazy crazy flippy dippies going through tables killing each other to keshka gave some elbows that's like scared me i was like dude those elbows are crazy he had a clothesline i think on ricochet at the end where i was like good god i was like he's just getting i'm like how long is this match gonna go i know i was like i was like we're 15 minutes in and he just hurled this man with the like with that and the elbows and i was like so these people are dead yeah uh but the big thing was uh don calo's tries to interfere right um didn't lance archer no i don't think this was the lance archer yeah it was calf lecture they came out calf lecture comes out hits will with the the screwdriver to gosh get hits him with the knee and pins him so we have a new international champion the entire three kind of went no no no and not because we're not famous to keshka complete opposite we just had bigger plans for keshka and other things that i was wishing for takashka yeah um but yeah so takashka does this i thought this match was awesome it didn't you know no i did i thought it was really good um i still think they didn't feel like ricki i thought they did a nice job of trying to make it feel like ricochet had a chance to win it uh despite the fact that none of the crowd at any point was like oh and they're like they're just waiting they're like okay when any time will in takashka and like okay i was gonna say i don't want to say this as sad realization because i've everyone kind of knows but of the three one of those not like the other it's not like do you think oh my god yeah it was not it was very obvious outside of the very open which again they do the whole flippy dippy open the exact same open every single match they do now which is take or leave it every every old time where the age of 15 above is like god damn why are you doing springboards off the ropes um outside of like the open i was like ricki didn't really do no that was crazy i do think it was takashka's like power and will speed and the ricki was doing the flippy dippies it just wasn't because he's not on that level because he's here's the thing he hasn't been made to this audience and the people who remember him from before are like oh you just met the last five years and w you get your head kicked in like so like it just doesn't work in that in that sense right um but oh yeah so what i'll say though to this is i love takashka winning well i don't love takashka when i buy like takashka winning it's one of those things where like i don't mind it because he he's earned the right like he should be a champion at this point he's a top guy and they came out on wednesday and he's like we're gonna go every what just like osprey said they're gonna go everywhere they're going to the maple leaf wrestling show thing and he's defending it there yep you'll probably go back to new japan and do some shows there i imagine he's at Russell kingdom i like the fact that you have a true faction again for the don calist family yeah right you know who's in it like you know these are the full lectures here now you've got lance archer you've got brian cage you just won the ring of our television title shadow tan archer um yeah and then lance archer straight now you're like okay we got with you guys here now it's like okay now we have something to build upon now we've got a little group here and i was at our nerves of osprey just losing us just to jump in the continental classic still could happen but i think how they wrote off yeah the russell dream thing that was happening with him hitting the the driver i think there's a good chance we have an osprey flexure low during the continental classic and he might not even show up at all the end of the year or something because he did the thing on the zenak and that's been a couple week thing for like mgf and everybody sure so um i'm hoping that that means that he's out until they announce the people for the continental classic and then maybe like after full gear or like right before world zen he comes back yeah him and flasher have a nice match my my big my big fear is that him and flasher gonna work the next pay-per-view he beats him and then that's just the end of it i'm worried about that too yeah but i do think with the whole family thing yeah i think he's going to be going through everybody sure i think he's going to have another one with cage another one with archer and that's and that's cool to build back up to how you for to catch good down the line do of yeah a second third whatever you want to call it so i don't think they need him in the continental classic i don't think you need because here's the thing if you put him in the continental classic you're just gonna have him lose the whole time yeah because he can't we can't lose no at least until he gets to the final like if ocata beats i was fine final or something you know i mean like that that doesn't really work with the way you're trying to build him because at some point again as much as i i commend osprey for being like look i can i can lose right like i don't need to beat everybody i get that for you yeah you can but as an audience member i go no you can't right there is a world where if he's in it yeah he like wins out but in the semi-main block yeah he loses to mid like a j-white or something and it really populates j-white up yeah sure like you're not gonna do that you're not gonna cannibalize your baby faces like that and i'll probably not get out of me or maybe not yeah but like some other heal that you're building up or whatever um but i think it would be better for him to get out of that scene right and work through if you're gonna like at this point unless you're just gonna have him stick with an international title for a while which is what it is right it's a cool if i would prefer him to go through the whole dong khalos family to get back to the keshta and have like if you give me a best of three of that yeah holy schnike he's like if he gets a shot and he doesn't get it back that's a way because i think i think you could have him loot like lose at world zen or something to him yeah you guys you haven't beat Fletcher at full gear yeah lose to catch get world zen yeah and if at revolution or double or nothing you do the third because you can count the revolution one last year sure you're one one singles yeah you do the third yep that could be else and then at that point it becomes who the fudge wins right because keshko would be champion for six months yep and then osprey osprey and you've got the credible win where he beats him and he's like i beat you i don't need it and then if you've got a build to where it's like i got to get back to to keshta yeah now you're popping for like five bucks and then again you're in a storyline that is not world title driven and he doesn't need to beat everybody and he doesn't need to be on the show russian 45 minute matches every night you know what i mean it all works itself out so this match is really good though happy for to keshta i like the story i did think it was hilarious how one announced Nigel goes it's cal Fletcher and then Tony goes who is it and i'm like guys everybody knows everybody knows it's cal Fletcher um i like the fact that we're trying to make cal Fletcher a little bit too right yeah i'm a little bit of a rub right he's a former television champion let's see how that all works together so yes um all right we're gonna jump back a segment because i totally forgot something that happened but we're gonna hit it sure tnt title match af post match oh yes i forgot about this too yeah holy shit i was like didn't even make the connection honestly tnt yeah so after the tnt title match uh they're all kind of chilling there daniel garcy it comes out and he starts beating up on people or gets beat up he says he's a ew but he's still has some time to contract so yeah so no liar we don't really know of your aw yet uh he's i wonder if he gets attacked he's got to get a tattoo because that's what they do yeah that you got to get the tattoo um and then you hear the mjf song everyone pops like crazy yeah so abjf comes and waddles down um two waddles down and he starts beating up daniel garcya then he's like no one can stop me until adam cole's music hits okay yep yep i'm with it and then adam cole kind of walks out mjf does the funniest thing where he's like making fun of his like ankle or leg or whatever he's like ha you suck or whatever and then adam cole just sprints it down and he goes don't like that yeah right and then powders out so funny okay gonna be a good giggle okay i'm gonna throw a flag okay okay i kind of also have a flight to be thrown okay it doesn't make sense anymore it does like at all and you know me i am the uh your president the osprey club i am number one on the adam cole fan yeah okay i a hundred percent agree it makes no sense none like none like literally zero percent and it was really funny because cole came out on wednesday yeah and was like here's the reason why and i went yeah i had to be evil to kill evil and you go but you didn't kill him yeah and then he killed you because you couldn't rest like the whole thing honestly i wouldn't even have him touch just just come back and do whatever yeah it was it was really rough because then he comes out does his thing and then mjf comes up on the screen yeah and he goes i thought i could trust you you backstep me i'm upset like that's why i'm angry with you and i go your explanation like i'm with you there yeah because so now you're the baby facing up so you're getting sympathy because you like cole was the bad guy yeah but like i i was like from mjf's point even as like a heel i was like you're gonna like make his life miserable because he betrayed i was like yeah i can like work with something like that right the medical thing i was like you betrayed him yeah and now you're like i'm a good guy though i don't like are you a good guy exact and there was a thing it's like okay you got to bring back as a good guy because he's gonna come back as a good guy he's gone forever people are happy to see him but i was like this doesn't make any freaking sense literally stop doing it also if they're gonna go into a call mjf first off happy if adam cole's actually back yeah thank god it looked like he i hope he is like let's hope right um so assuming he is back and if they're gonna go him and mjf adam cole needs to win this feud yeah adam cole hasn't won shit since he got there and it doesn't help with the concussion and then obviously his ankle exploded but like he needs to kind of he has a beat mjf in two attempt two three attempts at this point he kind of needs to beat mjf here and again i think we need to start leaning into some of these guys that you did bring in to help kind of refresh your top-of-card level of people i guess right so and it calls a dark horse for me in the continental classic if he's in it too i think that's perfect kind of sick way i i i said the same that i was like all three the i mean mjf probably wouldn't be in it but like all three of these guys are very including dano carcias we're really typing up this turny because i do think it's a it's going to be a pivotal thing for story wise yeah for them going forward um yeah so the segment i don't think dane like getting our seabing out there was just like sure yeah you know you completely got washed out from that thought it was weird yeah i know adam cole's back instead we went now adam cole's a good guy and i'm just a bad guy so now we're okay with cold destroying mjf before i don't yeah so that all happened and then we had another so part of the undisputed kingdom who knows no i think he said i think he said i don't think he's done i think i think that's what his promo was even though arati and the and the other guys are kind of like turning baby face now at the same time like crazy anyway i think i didn't buy that shirt so we had another segment swerve comes out and basically this segment was crazy sauce because at one point i was like he swerve comes out with prince nana and whatnot and they're standing in the ring and at one point and then like mvp and sheltering come out yep and they're standing there and swerve at one point is like you know you cost me or you were you were part of the reason why i lost it all in you were part of the reason my house burned down and he's saying all this stuff and i was like if you don't acknowledge that he was there when you won the title and everything right i'm like what are we doing yeah i was i was also yeah Mike i'm like but also that's what i was like also if you just like turn and you're done with him after all i'll be like you just missed out on like five years of what you were doing with him sure but then they finally were like but i wouldn't have won the title without you so long story short this whole segment was mvp trying to get swerve to come into his group swerves like i'm staying with prince nana screw you and now they're having a match like week and a half yeah so i thought this segment dragged i thought this could have waited until right in my head this was uh everyone and their mom was like so bobby lash he's coming out right now that was my other thought i go and that was about sales i go because if you were going to do this on pay-per-view then i was ready i was like then you should have had bobby debut attack him they stand over me at the end stage apparently too like you was like ready to go and they were like now we're not going to so if you're not going to have bobby out here right or wait to debut shelt Benjamin that's and the Benjamin jumps him right and now it's them two and then okay that's where we spark it and then it's like oh man you think shelt Benjamin's bad now we just brought him bobby lashley you're like oh shit here we go but they didn't do any of that so i was like kind of a wasted opportunity i like the fact again this is another another way to get another top guy in a meaningful story that has some depth to it and has some has some runway but he doesn't have to be involved in the title picture right yeah all good things all good things let's diversify the portfolio a little bit yep salad uh all right let's do some of these imagers here yep sure um best two out of three falls hologram and beast mortops um hologram wins two out of three fine and it was a match here's the thing people are like man everyone every time somebody made the kind of like an aw needs a match like this on every one of their pay-per-views you know like just good wrestling i go all right we've been watching the same fucking promotion for the last five years i go that's the only thing that they do have on every one of their pay-per-views is good wrestling i go if anything we need less of this yeah right in something a little more story-driven not not the complete opposite since the beginning of the year to check out every osprey match no she hasn't like but i'm like but i'm like but i'm like this match was fine right it was whatever but i was like there's no story i go that's the biggest bitch about anybody that has about aw said there's no story to some of this shit so it's like you want more yeah flabberg gassed it so yeah hoggram wins this is a match that definitely could have been say put that in the five-year anniversary show next yeah um but he's 16 and oh he's great i can't wait for him to face jack perry jack perry kicks his head off yeah it can't wait for him to get that 173 and oh gold bow record god man goldberg what a fuck um if goldberg does come back side note if he does come back for a match against gunther if gunther does not actively power bomb him into oblivion i'm gonna be upset okay Darby are reality brody king uh 12 minutes 30 seconds um Darby kind of just dies and then and then pins brody yeah it's every thought it was fun i thought it was fine yeah not a whole lot i thought the bump by brody and by him on the steel steps gross yeah um nothing too crazy though brody is not a main event or even a semi-main guy to me he is a tag wrestler right now and so like it was hard for me to be like well if he if brody wins i don't get it yeah and then if Darby wins i go well duh but also like man you really kill brody as like this monster heater heel guy yeah it wasn't a great matchup like in terms of like what the what you could have gotten out of it like where does the benefit it's also interesting because i think it was something like brody's like undefeated or only has like the one random loss or something like so it was one of those like Darby like one one both of those stupid royal rampage things right we saw the one that he beat Darby in Darby being him so like it was like kind of like a culmination of of their rivalry it was we don't know what to do with Darby yet and we got to set him on the path while we wait for my this was uh he was supposed to win the championship tonight but we had other plans so let's put him in this true true true Brian went i don't want to lose to him i want to lose to that guy and there way goes okay sounds good yeah uh tag team match we had the bucks we had a private party um match was fine it was a match for sure bucks yeah had a hard time getting into it just because i have no faith in private party yeah you haven't done enough yet i will say post-match yeah gave him something because sure all the last two weeks everyone's been like i could be your manager i can i can manage you guys championships right and they're like no no no we can do it ourselves losing and having all of like the managers kind of sitting there and just kind of looking i mean like maybe we do need one of you guys yeah and then maybe that can get us over the hump yeah sure close match i think it was again more story yeah i think it was interesting we're giving people a reason to tune in and make me go okay where are we going with this is something that we've been missing on a consistent basis outside you like your primary story which they always do a nice job of yeah some of the secondary stuff we kind of gets a little bit washed away we're emphasizing talent by putting them and stuff that where we go huh where's this gonna go holy shit is this really apology to her is gonna come maybe what's this match homemade event yes ring of honor yes all right yes bark brisko jay great share over delivered over delivered in my opinion i thought this match was really solid i legit like they worked well together i thought they told a great story i thought Jericho had it one at one point then he didn't which i was a little bumped out about but i was like i we made fun of this match i thought this match was really good all right thoughts yeah am i am i overplaying it like i think this is better than anything Jericho's done with hook yeah that's not a hard bar no um i think that's the best match Jericho's had probably about six months probably yeah i think i thought this was really good i thought it was honestly i thought this match was better than his one with osprey only because she was allowed to work his style yeah as compared to trying to speed up to osprey style yeah no i think this match is really good and i think um the story of like the second he hit the J driller at mark was like sure i know loosen that shit yeah that he like went psycho he had him he had him with the Judas effect and he said no i'm gonna be that guy i thought it worked i thought it worked i really did yeah one of the matches it was like the throwaway match when it when it hits you're like oh this card really yeah solenifies like the card when like the matches you don't think hit yeah okay i thought i was going in as i go man this is gonna semi-main i was like oh god this is man diva's tag match like feels that's what i was getting and then they delivered i thought it was great yep and then a main event time daniel did they just say they're gonna get a rematch in a ladder match is that what i had a war ladder war okay so mark's gonna die mark is gonna they're gonna push him and Jericho's gonna win the title card got it uh that should we just how do we apply can we apply to write for this because it's very obvious that we have plans brian and adam colle would have been champion this entire time but man with the boom on angle interim brian daniel sim yep john mox was a wrestler he's not dead no are you sure i don't know um 26 minutes 52 seconds yep of match happens and moxley won okay let me ask you this yeah okay not to be a debbie downer you're gonna be a debbie downer though a little bit okay did you ever feel like brian ever was gonna win this match absolutely okay all right that was my only critique that's my like i thought it was fine thought it was solid right but i was like man we're just waiting for brian to die so here's the thing this is a dirt sheet behind the scene ruins it ruins it yeah hardcore so i think the people in the audience and i think some people like at home really was because they built it up as sure when he loses yeah he's like dot so like i think people there were just like no there's no way he loses because they might go to the end of the year or yeah go a little bit longer with the championship because to the dismay that i normally have with long title reigns they kind of played into that where like every title reign has been like nine months so they're like oh brian's gonna hold it for nine months and then drop it at one point he's gonna lose yeah all in or you know double or nothing or something in the middle of the year or whatever and then when you lose it in like five weeks you're like oh that's fast like that's how it happens right so i think that helped in that sense but i never felt that he was gonna win because i knew he was a goner i just i just was like i'm just not feeling it like i could just like it doesn't make any sense to me at all to build moxley if you're going to do this match now yeah you can't have moxley lose here you can't you just can't do it um yeah thought but i do think so i think they're they're flip because the original plan being Darby yeah sure i think the flip to moxley and what moxley and his group are doing is awesome okay i want to talk about that because i agree with you i thought though i thought i was a little bit confused on dynamite when they ran away from i think it was private party i think yeah daniel garcia yeah i didn't understand that mmm it felt a little counterintuitive to kind of how the group has been so far where they're like no we're just gonna we're gonna take on everybody like we're gonna surround the ring we're gonna pull kind of a shieldy nwo type of vibe yeah but we're gonna kill them i would have preferred them for when they had all those baby faces run out like they did at the pay-per-view where Darby ran out this guy ran out this guy ran out this guy ran and they beat the shit out of them yeah i would have preferred to see that sure you know what i mean because then you're you're not you're giving the audience exactly what they don't want right instead that's what made the nwo so awesome at the beginning was you know like a bash to the beach they thought scott hall and nash are just gonna lose right like oh our bait you know mocha man and staying in lugar they're gonna beat them right we're finally gonna overcome instead of getting the complete opposite yeah they beat the shit out of them and beat the crap and then they won and everybody went what the hell's happening i would have and they did that at the pay-per-view so i thought it was a little bit of a weird like divot i guess or deviation you know but i'm agreeing with you i love this i love the group i love the wheeler turn yeah i thought that was really well done where like i felt it was very much what he hesitated okay well he's turning here but i thought the reaction was good i thought the logic behind it raised like sorry dude but like it's almost like i don't want to do this but moxie right i have to do this that kind of thing um thought that was really solid yeah i loved how moxley took the title and threw it in a bag and then didn't give a shit like he didn't carry the bag like while you had it the little nuances like that rego i i could give two shits about that championship right now i am on a bigger mission but i need to have the title to have the power to do what i want to do perfect really good really nice yeah i have no no big issues with it um match was fine i love the opening to the match when they beat each other to the final thousand anyways yeah i i also was i was a little bit irked by that i understood why they did it because the match hadn't officially started yet yeah and i get that but i was also like this is supposed to be serious this is making it unserious for me exactly that's the problem is i was like i'm like turn the music off i go this is supposed to be brian fighting for his life and moxie's like i have to kill you in order to do what i need to do to aew it needs to have that yeah great great hillward thought it hit him right before everyone says the final countdown because everyone including his past yeah yeah exactly no that was good i did enjoy that that was pretty funny um but yeah no uh yeah good angle moxie's moxie's awesome his group is really fun yeah fun fact all heels and as champions right now yeah in aew it's crazy love it weird weird you never you never lean that heavy i've always there's always one right that kind of sticks out right well you know all of them you like them all heels right now because then soon all we're gonna be baby faces oh no thanks no thanks baby face champions suck yeah i know no offense sorry kody but like they too they suck i'm not saying sorry kody it sucks no this is good the what they're going to do is going to be fine but like overall like just the whole overall like our baby face did it it's very much like unless they're your favorite wrestler yeah you're just like so when does the heel win it back yeah it's just so much easier no one would like my booking because i'm like oh he wins it it's the dusty stuff or like that's how flier was champion a million times it's like okay ronnie garvin beats him six weeks later flier's a champion again then you're just like there we go you know what i mean anyway all right next week though mike we're talking russell mania five uh we may do a line check in depending on how they look against minnesota maybe who knows you know all that good stuff but that's going to be for this week's show on behalf of the merc zone i'm the mouth of michigan we will see you guys as always next time