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Deep Dive: Dissecting the Oklahoma Roster (Need to Know Players)
Welcome everyone to the deep dive. I'm Paul Waltlington. That's Ian Boyd joined by Izzy. She's rocking her pastel summer dress while there's still time. Texas experiences summer well into November. So good stuff. Hey, we're going to talk about the Oklahoma Sooners. It's not too early. They are called the Sooners after all. So theoretically, no one can complain. It's in the name. Make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel. And of course, we want you to join inside Texas. Use promo code IT1 to get two months for one American dollar. This is the time to join its hate week or hate weeks. Ian, feel free to unmute yourself because we're going to talk about the Oklahoma Sooners roster. We're going to talk about their actual personnel. We're not going to get into stats or anything like that. We're just going to talk about our viewing and our evaluation of some of their players and what's been good, what's been bad for the Sooners so far this year. We're going to start with their offense and we're going to start with their new quarterback. The young man who has replaced Jackson Arnold. His name is Michael Hawkins. He's a true freshman. Tell me about this athlete from Texas. He's kind of like a tiny, even less experienced version of jail and Milro last year. Finding Milro. And then he so like Milro last year took a ton of sacks, always wanted to try to run the ball, make something happen with his legs. But he could hit deep throws and he could throw outside the hash marks. And that made a lot of so like a lot of times when you're facing a running quarterback that wants to take off all the time. Either by a design or just by accident by training, you end up with all these guys playing with eyes on the quarterback. And you'll give up like the flats or you'll get can get beat over the top down the sideline. And Milro can make you pay for that. And Hawkins can make you pay for that. If he sees it, which he may or may not, maybe you make him see it first, but he'll he can throw the ball out there. So I almost was going to compare him to Gerard heard. But Gerard heard famously got taken apart by Iowa State and shut out in 2015, right? Where Iowa State was like, we're going to play outside linebackers, but we're not going to honor the bubble screen when you spread us out. And they're just going to play outside in and go get the quarterback. And Texas could not complete a bubble screen. And that's not Hawkins. So he's like a level beyond that. Still extremely limited, but a level beyond some of the more limited guys of that type we've seen before. Would you say he's one read and run? Yes. Yeah, I think that's fair. And he did that against Auburn early in that game. Oh, you got on the board with an explosive run from Hawkins. Auburn had a blitz on didn't mind their gaps and Hawkins punished him for it. So he is capable of that. He's also capable of four consecutive three and outs. Yes. So I think that's going to be very interesting. Pretty fearless player. I think he sees the game a lot better and he's more instinctive than Jackson Arnold, at least when they're doing more option type things, whether in the running game or maybe the RPOs. I don't think he's very polished. And I think it's not second nature to him where it is with like a Quinn Ewers. But I think he just is a little bit more instinctive than Jackson Arnold. At least that's my impression. Yeah. I mean, it could be. It's a lot easier when you're like Jackson Arnold wants to fling it down the field. And Hawkins wants to run. And it's always easier to default to running. So I think that's partly just the style. I think that's fair. All right. Well, containment is going to be important. I know everyone wants to talk about assigning a spy. I think in situations you can do that. You actually can exploit a spy if you have a running quarterback and some other stuff going on in your offense. Is he agrees with me? So I think you'll see Texas adopt a multifaceted approach to dealing with him. You know, if you just stay in a rush lanes and do your job, you can deal with a dual threat quarterback pretty easily. You don't want to necessarily assign someone from your coverage to just trail him. So one thing that OU has struggled with is their offensive wine play. If you could bring that down a little bit, Connor, appreciate it. The only player that I've seen play at a above average, even good level is left tackle Michael Tarkham. 66, 315. He's the transfer from USC. He's played good ball. He left USC because they did not assure him of a starting job. He was going to have to compete for that gig. So he hit the road. He's a rambling man. And the suitors are glad to have him because he's been the most consistent part of their offensive line. The rest of the offensive line, I do have to say, has improved at least last week simply by getting a couple of guys back and that allowed some guys to move to their more national position. I still don't think they're particularly good. They've got a lot of transfers. They've been heavily reliant on the transfer portal at the offensive line for the second year in a row. So Bill Beatenbaugh very much looked up too as an online guru. But frankly, he hasn't done a very good job of recruiting and developing guys from the high school ranks. So they've had to lean on the transfer portal. And some of those guys are Branson Hickman. He's the center transfer from SMU. Troy Everett, his backup is a transfer, I believe from App State. Babishin Noayu, I think I'm pronouncing that. He's a transfer from North Texas. He's actually can be pretty physical in the run game. He plays a little hesitantly. You can run around him sometimes. Jake Taylor, I think has been frustrating for sooner fans. Jacob Sexton, I think guard is his more natural position. But I don't think he's been a difference maker for them. Ian, do you have any broad observations of the offensive line? Because they've certainly had some struggles. I think Hickman was coming back from injury too, and he's going to get better and better as he gets healthier. So two weeks off, he's pretty big there. He had like a high ankle sprain. It was like Jacob Majors last year when he had to come back and grit through that. I think their ceiling is something like average. Yeah, like that 2018 Texas line, maybe. Like Taylor is kind of like a cursed edder. Wei Wu is kind of like a Vayi. Hickman is like a Shackleford. Tarkwin is comparable maybe to who's that rice kid that Texas got that year? It's a play left tackle. Calvin Anderson experienced God, I'm blanking on it. Calvin Anderson, is that right? Calvin Anderson, very good. Yeah, thank you. He's not sick. Tarkwin is not powerful. He can be bull rushed. He does not get very good pushing the run game. He's got good feet. He has good feet. And so he makes you go through him rather than letting you go around him. Let's talk about a group that has not demonstrated great feet, or at least fleet feet, or at least fleet feet to a purpose. That's the sooner a wide receivers. And this group has been banged up or they're on strike like the longshoreman, depending on who you talked to in the sooner land. Talk to me about the OU receivers and who we're likely to see two Saturdays from now. So Britain Thompson has become a mainstay for them. Is that good? No. No. He is small. He is fast. So if they can get him behind you or on the run or something, he is dangerous. But they have to play him outside because they don't have anyone else. And he's not great outside because he can just get pushed around at the line of scrimmage and rerouted and just he just doesn't have the play strengths to play through guys. And then we got maybe Dion Burke's in the slot. If you can scroll up, Mr. Oh, wait, no, it's on the bottom. Sorry. He's right. Yeah. Dion Burke's might be healthy to play in the slot. He is dangerous. Little Duvernay-ish in his overall makeup and style. It's not not as big or physical as Duvernay, but sort of just kind of similar kind of guy. They may have to play Jackways Pedaway instead, who's actually just kind of similar, but less polished and probably less explosive. And then they've got JJ Hester opposite. It's the only guy left with any size. Yeah, I got to say he's been a big disappointment, I think, to sooner faithful because he looks a certain way but doesn't play that way. You know, the old looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. Yeah. So what do we think about the sooner wide receiver? He did get behind Auburn for one play last year. Yeah, he was. What do we think about the sooner group in Toto? Are we looking at SEC average below average? What do you think? It's got to be below average. Yeah, I think I think you're right. I feel like the SEC is very there's a lot of variety there. Like some teams are like unbelievably good at wide receiver and then other teams are not very unbelievably bad. So I don't know what the median off the top of my head. I'm not sure what the median SEC wide receiver is, but they're nowhere near the better units, right? Yeah, they're probably below average for a big 12 wide receiver lineup, don't you think? Yeah, big 12, as you like to say, is pretty mid this year, but yeah, they have okay receivers. There's got guys. So yeah, I think interestingly about this group, Nick Anderson was a guy that they were hoping to be the deep threat. He was their deep threat last year and was pretty effective in that role. He's going to be a no-go. Andrew Anthony is either not fully healed up or, you know, I don't know if they're on strike or something. I don't know what's going on with the receiver. There's a lot of talk swirling about that unit. I don't care to conjecture. I think the best unit that is likely to take the field will be D on Birx in the slot and then the aforementioned. Their tight end Bauer Sharp has been a target, caught a big ball against Auburn when Auburn lost him in coverage up the sideline. They did some Auburn stuff late in that game. I've never seen a tight end as a verse to blocking as power sharp in the run game, but he is a pretty good athlete and has been their second most targeted receiver of all their past countries. If he's not flexed out of the formation 80% of the time when the Red River shoot out, then leave Littrell and Ellis. Probably not a guy you want doing like half back lead type stuff. No, just forget that this week. All right. Well, that's the sooner offense. And if the description has been underwhelming in terms of personnel, we got running backs. We didn't do running backs. Oh, all right. So let's talk about that. Probably the guy at the most juice has been true freshman Taylor Tatum in the limited carries he's had. He's shown the most explosiveness. I'm not surprised by that. I loved his tape in high school. I think the big question with recruiting him was whether he was going to go baseball because he's a pretty good baseball player. And frankly, that's where better money and less injuries is available. But he loves football. We're not sure if he's going to be available for this game or not. Gavin Sotchuck has flashed multiple times for sooner, the sooner's and in years past. But he has not had a good start. Javante Barnes is sort of a jag who runs hard. Block it for five, he'll get five. More often than not, the sooner's have been blocking it for two, then he gets two. So that's it. I don't know if you have any big thoughts on this group, but I think there's a role for them to play in this game. But I don't think they're going to be overwhelming. Barnes is their best pass protector. And I bet we see a lot of him. If I'm them, I'm spamming quarterback draw. Yeah, I would use him as a lead blocker and boosting deception. I would try to get us spread out. I would either go three or four wide. The three wide, I would probably have Bower Sharp split out just to get a linebacker out of the box or a safety. And I would run and I would double play side. I'd have some sort of option action. And I would try to use Mr. Hawkins as a runner. I would pull up some army and Navy tape, to be honest, and look at some of the stuff that Bryson Bailey does with army and try to incorporate that with Hawkins, get him a step and see if you can bust a 60 yarder. Because they're not going to go 12 plays 80 yards on Texas. I don't see that. There you go. No. Is that the offense? Should we move on to the D? Yeah. All right. 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Go look at his Google reviews. Dudes got like 165 star reviews with multiple paragraphs written about how he solved their problems. Give him a call. Find out what all these people are recommending. 832-557-1095. All right, Mr. Boyd, let us now discuss the defense. Connor, if you'd be so kind. I want to just say we're on track. You and I can walk on tangents. We're actually right on track time-wise. This is amazing. I credit myself. It's coming. All right, it's coming. Yeah, Ian's going to do 19 minutes on Ethan down. So let's talk about the sooner defense. I want to leave with the strengths of the sooner defense. And that has been, to me, the safety and the linebacker room. Yeah, okay. So let's talk about their strengths and how they try to funnel offenses into those strengths, schematically and by design. Because I think Ian and I are on the same page here. We're going to contend that if you could attack OU's defense where they don't want to be attacked on those corners, maybe even in the interior defensive line, if you can get a guy leaked out on their linebackers, they're going to go great for the sooner. They won't look so dominant. So let's talk about those safeties. Billy Bowman, a player you and I have a lot of respect and regard for just as a athlete, but also I think great recognition and instincts. He's shown that in prior Red River Shootouts, but he's also shown that against other teams as well. And then also Peyton Bowen, he's a standout young player. He's played off and on. I think he flashes, but I think the interesting guy has been Robert Spears Jennings, big, big safety. He's been really highly graded for OU every week. He's a guy that the sooner coaches love both in run support. And he hasn't been exploited in the passing game. I kind of assumed that that would be the case. I wonder if they're about to play a team that can do that though. Yeah. They have like blitzes drawn up for him. Yeah. A few. And he's effective on those. They played their flyover against Tennessee. And so they played Peyton Bowen in the middle and then Jennings Spears. Spears Jennings. And it's the boundary guy and then Billy Bowman to the field. Billy Bowman, I've noticed he'll have like kind of quiet games and people will be like Bowman is made. He didn't show up today. And it's like, well, he kind of did show up in creating a black hole of the field where the ball never went in coverage. Yes. And he has an unbelievable knack for making plays around the goal line. So he's, it's kind of like that last year of Caden Stearns was kind of like that, where Caden Stearns was actually quietly pretty good, but everybody thought he was garbage because it didn't realize that he was like in man coverage on a slot all year because Chris Ash needed his linebackers to be able to not have to chew and gum and walk at the same time. Right. That's right. So yeah, Danny Stutzman. He's been really good for you. He's awesome. He's the captain of that defense. He's the leader of that defense. Very instinctive player. I think his, his, he's always been willing to mix it up. I think he's gotten stronger and puts himself in a little better athletic position. He used to run so fast to the hole that if he wouldn't be in a, a sort of a tackling position and he'd get run over or got to run through his arms, you don't see that anymore from Stutzman. He's also clearly an instinctive guy and a film nerd because he'll recognize certain things and just sprint to a gap right where the hole's going to be for the running back and it's negative four yards. He does that all the time. Kip Lewis used to be counted on to miss about a fifth of the tackles he'd attempt. I think he's cleaned that up a little bit, made a massive play against Auburn that turned the game where they dropped out of a zero blitz and to coverage, Peyton throwing through a right to him and Kip Lewis to his credit housed it. He went 67 yards and effectively won the game for the Sooners. Auburn lost the game depending on how you want to phrase it. I think he's improved to being much more reliable and playable but this is really the strength that third level middle, second level middle, that's really the strength of their defense. You see the cheetah position there, that's really should be a more de facto nickel. We'll talk about that. They've had an important injury in that regard that's going to hurt them and probably set them back against Texas but what are your thoughts on Stutzman and Lewis? I have very little to add, you made all the big points. Stutzman, one other thing is he plays both positions. So sometimes they'll play McKinsey as the Mike linebacker and move Stutzman to Will and he doesn't matter. He's the same guy at other spot. It's like you said, he's racing to where the ball is going before the back can even get there. Kind of like one of those old Ohio state linebackers. Brent Vinnables is one of the only guys in the game right now that develops linebackers as weapons. Like you just don't see that at very many places anymore and Vinnables is unique in that way. Yeah. Are they only two that leap to mind in that regard? Stutzman is currently the only one that's fully realized but I guarantee you with another year of Vinnables, the McKinsey or Lewis or Carter will get there too and they blitz them a ton. Yeah. Let's talk about the corners and the nickels because there can be a price to be paid for blitzing Ian and so they lost Nickel and Bill Dolby for the year. In my mind, he was their third best defender. You don't hear about him. He doesn't get the press or the attention but I thought he was really effective for them at nickel and Vinnables puts a fair amount on the nickel because of their propensity for blitzing. If you read inside Texas, I just put up a chart evaluating our wide receivers today through five games. You'll notice that Sark, the only guy who plays almost only in the nickel is DeAndre Moore but we get snaps for every receiver in the nickel and I'm sorry in the slot and the reason is Sark is hunting matchups and he's going to be doing some of that in this game because they don't really have an adequate replacement which is why they had to move over Woody Washington to the nickel and I don't think that's a great matchup for OU against Golden Bond or Wingo. So that's the nickel position. They could go big nickel here and play Desan McCullough or Sammy Amissego. If you go big nickel against Sark, he's going to destroy you so I don't think Vinnables is going to do that. The corners, they've been vulnerable, Des Malone is the transfer from San Diego State. He's strong and physical. You get him in space, isolation, Auburn was hitting him up like right and left, Peyton Thorne picking on Canai Walker. Big, big corner looks great on the hoof. When he turns and runs, it's not super fluid. So talk to me about the opportunity at corners and nickel, particularly if OU brings it up front. Yeah, last year they brought it quite a bit and they got away with it because they played their corners off and they didn't let Texas beat them over the top and then they made tackles. So Texas threw underneath a lot and was very successful. What was what was when he was like 26 for 28 at one point? Yeah. And a lot of that was throwing into the vacated spaces on the flats over and over and over again. And it was efficient to a point, but it didn't put points on the board and they didn't convert in the red zone blah, blah, blah, blah. Oklahoma will have to do that again. And it's going to be a lot harder to disguise. Because if you ask these guys to do anything else, it's going to be a disaster. Yep. So I don't know they, and you know what else is, they could play Eli Bowen. He's a freshman, but he's quicker. Yeah. And Jacoby Johnson is listed here behind Des Malone or on the OR. Jacoby Johnson's like, they think he's like their next guy, but they moved him to a wide receiver. Because they're so bent in badly in need of wide receivers. Yeah. I think Johnson is like a big time athlete who just needs to get trained up, but he's gone. They're trying to find a difference maker at the wide receiver. So yeah, I think they're exactly right on this analysis. One thing I will say, Venables is really good at is show pressure, show pressure, show pressure, drop to the spot. Because one of the things you teach a quarterback is throw into the blitz. In other words, the guy, the blitzer who's coming at you and blitz, we define that in prior deep dives. One of the definitions of a blitz is a guy coming you didn't expect to come. Right. And the idea is throw it where that guy was. Because that's open vacant space. And that's what you teach your receivers. What Venables will do is show that blitz, show that blitz, bring that guy and then on a key down, he'll show it and then drop that guy to that vacated space. And that's exactly what they did to Auburn. They suckered Peyton Thorne into sort of an auto read and Thorne just threw it to his spot, like a good robot. And there was a guy standing there. So they'll try to do that with Quinn Ears. I think Quinn Ears is a little too experienced, a little too cagey now. He has grown as a quarterback. And I think we're going to see that in Dallas. I think so too. We better that. I mean, that's going to be that's like one of the only ways Oklahoma wins this game, right? They've got to have some clutch turnovers. They've got to beat us in the turnover battle, like three to one, right? And then they've got to find some manufacturers, some explosives and then hold on. That's sort of the best OU game plan. All right, let's talk about the front. So interesting thing about this defensive one. If you read the OU boards in July and August and early September, you could very easily think this is the rebirth of the Pittsburgh Steelers Steel Curtain in circa 1975. If you watch them, you come to a different conclusion. But the conclusion is not that they're bad or like horribly overrated. It's that they're just like they're better than last year. They're more yeah, more depth. But I'm not totally sure some of the stats or things that they put up are durable against the team like Texas, which arguably has the premier past blocking offensive line in all of college football. Yeah. Talk to me about this D line. Ian, we can start inside or we could start outside. Dealers choice. Let's start outside. Let's do it. Ethan Downs is just Austin English. It's the same guy. Seeing this guy at Oklahoma a dozen times, right? I bet he's a good player and he's very physical. I've heard their fans be like, you know, banks is overrated. Downs destroyed Texas last year. No, no, he destroyed your TV and Sanders a couple times for sure. He played well in the run game, but no, he's a college player. He's a limited athlete, but he is scrappy and strong. He's been there for forever. Armace and Thomas is the guy. He is very twitchy, very explosive around the edge, vinnables, draw things up for him. He's their Jeremy Beale, right? Maybe a little more athletic even than Jeremy Beale. He's more a problem. You got any insights for us far? Yeah, I was going to say, so Armace and Thomas, it has been that guy that sooner fans have been talking about for two years in practice who flashes and then he couldn't really put it together in games. Now he's putting it together. I will say some of those stats were accumulated against Temple. Army had seven sacks against Temple. Give you a little perspective, okay? Army. They played Houston, which has a horrendous offensive line. And then they played Tennessee, who had both of their starting tackles out. And I think that might even have been down to their third tackle at one spot. So, is that a good prep for going against Cam Williams and Kelvin Banks? I don't think they've seen tackles of that quality yet. In fact, I know they haven't. So, that'll be a really interesting matchup. They got good depth outside too. They could play different guys. Woolard was a good player in the Mac, who I thought would be a little bit more impactful, but he's just been sort of a rotation guy for them. And then Trace Ford is a super senior veteran, started his career at Oklahoma State, had a really bad knee injury. He's just now getting back to form. So, yeah, I think that's an interesting group. I think that if you look at their stats, they may not match that performance against Texas. They're going to be going a little step up. In Dallas. I'll give him a little bit of an interior briefly. Jaden Jackson pressed into action as a freshman. Sometimes you start a freshman in the interior because they're amazing. Sometimes you start a freshman in the interior because you had to. I think he's somewhere in between more towards the had to. Oh, man, they're going to be so mad when they hear this. Well, I mean, I think he's a good player. I think he will become a good player. He's a true freshman close to the ball. And that's a tough assignment. So, yeah, Dominic Williams, that's a guy that Ian and I were both skeptical of. Certainly raised his profile on the NIL, and oh, you got involved in a bidding war there and decided they wanted to win. The truth was, if you watched demonic Williams, does TCU film as a sophomore, he was just okay. He was fine. Some of that might have been the scheme, not doing him any favors. I think he's better in this scheme. But he's not a big pass rusher. And I don't expect a ton of penetration or anything like that. I think he's more like hold down the fort, hold the line of scrimmage kind of guy. He's gotten better in that regard, by the way, he plays the better pad level since Venable because he got a hold of him. John Terry, I'm curious on your thoughts on him. Sometimes I see him do amazing things. And then sometimes I watch him and he looks like he's almost like loathing. I think he's maybe their only guy that can actually consistently anchor. And so he plays a lot for that. But they are huge into the nose tackle stunt. I mean, not the stump, like switching the nose in the tackle, like one slants and then one loops around. And Jaden Jackson is very good at it. Grayson Halton is very good at he undersized, but he's quick and high motor. And they were just all about the movement up front. If they tried to sit and anchor like Texas does, they would just get mowed down every week. Yeah, they try to create havoc and chaos. And part of that is having Danny Stussman behind them. What they're trying to do is mess up your blocking or get your guys to commit to the stunt and follow the stunt instead of pass it off. And then Stussman runs to the vacated space. The problem that that can have is one, you can create big holes. And two, if you play an experienced offensive one, they can turn that against you. They can jujitsu you, right? It's like, oh, you want to go there? Let's go there. And in fact, I'm going to take you there and then we're going to keep going. I've been all of a sudden, the D line's trying to put on his brakes. Like, no, no, I didn't want to stunt all the way out there. And Jake Major was saying, no, no, but that's where we're going, right? And that's where you can get a big hole in the middle. We need to exploit that. When that happens, you've got to have a running back, put his foot in the ground and get upfield and not tiptoe around. And so that'll be interesting. The other thing is a lot of that movement and penetration, that is anathema to some of the most successful running plays Texas has had this year, specifically counters. So if you get penetration early against the counter gaps or any sort of counter, tray, GT counter, whatever people want to call it, that blows it up. So if you can prevent the penetration with good down blocks, though, and you try to stunt against the counter gaps play, it will go for seven. No exaggeration. So it's going to be a very interesting push pull of the SARC want to be in second to 14 for the for the possible benefit of tray Weisner dropping a 55 yard run. So little interesting tension in their schematically and with their personal. Ian, what do you think any final thoughts on their defense? I would try it outside zone and see if they can maintain those slants and stunts on the move. Yeah. And I also, I just I know, I know, I know. I still believe they can hold up on duo. Yeah. I think if you can just come right at them, like they may catch you a time or two on a slant, but I don't think they hold up. I think they get bullied. You know, when Chewbacca is fretting a little bit quietly to himself in Star Wars, that's a little bit when like Izzy sounds like when she's just kind of like talking to herself when he does the. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cute. We're gonna have to add that to her list of nicknames. She's like, yeah, see, there you go. All right. Well, that has been our little journey into the personnel of the Texas Longhorn Oklahoma sooner matchup. Texas fans, you know the personnel for Texas because you're inside Texas subscribers. And if you're not, you need to use promo code I T one get two months for $1. If you love Ian and we all love Ian, you can go to a sub stack America's war game. He writes broadly about college sports or whatever he feels like writing about. And it's really good stuff. You could also find me on the everyone gets a trophy podcast with a variety of cohosts. Maybe I can persuade Ian to come join me the week right before OU so we can build up a sufficient level of hate and contempt for our rival north of the Red River. Thank y'all for joining us on the deep dive. We'll see you next week.
Paul and Ian go through the Oklahoma roster to show you who to watch for.