This is the Canucks Central post-game show. Yes, back to Haskin and then to Robertson to ban it. Back to Robertson, right circle. Patterson fell, Robertson plays it and Brett, they score! Take home in the crease by Robey Hintz. And the stars get a power play goal to take a 1-0 lead with 1-10 left in the first. Teddy Blueger dumps it behind the net. Garland cross-checked into the endboards by Haskin and got the puck in front from Nivel, he scores! [MUSIC PLAYING] A seeing eye, no look, backhand pass from Connor Gerlin behind the net plans right of the tape of JT Miller. With instant reaction from the players and coaches. Hintz left circle, down low to Povelsky to ban in the slot. He scores! Jamie Ben with a one-time snapshot from between the dots, scores the second power play goal of the night for the stars and they go up 2-1. Have your say on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Canucks lose a 3-1 decision on home ice against the Dallas stars, a game in which special teams was a difference. And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks, sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network, Satyar Shah, with Bick Nazar, going to bring in Randy Janda into the conversation in just a moment. Get in touch with us on our Dunbar Lumber text and inbox, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650, or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. And keep those thoughts coming in. We'll interact with you throughout the evening. And it's one of those games where five on five, there wasn't a lot separating these two teams. Pretty even game overall, a bit of a grudge match, a few scoring chances. But special teams is a difference. Five penalties that Canucks took. Canucks had a few power play opportunities themselves, give up two goals. I know there was controversy with the high stick. But nonetheless, even if you remove that goal, they still lost one, nothing in the special teams battle. And ultimately, in a game like this, that was a difference, Randy. Yeah, and I think looking at both of those power plays where, yeah, there's a couple of moments there's, you know, on that first goal, is there a moment to clear the puck along the left-hand side? Yes, there is. Yeah, you can't get it out. And what happens? You end up having that puck going into the back in the net through a rope, a hints. But guys, the Canucks had three opportunities themselves, right? At some point, when it's a 1-1 game, when it's a 2-1 game, and you have three power plays, you've got to start generating yourself. And on one side, Dallas, especially, I understand that Vancouver Canucks penalty killing unit, maybe it was a little tired. But there's snap in the puck around. There's the utmost confidence in that unit, Vancouver. Even though they had a couple of looks, the puck was sitting in the blue paint off through the Pew Souter opportunity. Maybe a couple of other looks where Souter kind of whiffs on the puck, he gets about 40 miles per hour on the shot. Audinger doesn't have to move on it. Guys, there was not much being generated on the power play. So to me, it was all about special teams where one team was creating a little bit more penalties. They were drawing a few more penalties, and the other team simply has no confidence on their power play right now. Well, just look at the two goals. Hints is on the back post, on a costed, and finds the opportunity. And Jimmy Ben's in the prime shooting area. They create these two opportunities. We're talking about the best chance being a Pew Souter rebound. Yeah, yep. Sitting there, but-- Nobody's there, yeah. Yeah, there's no one there. The stars manipulated the Canucks to find open spots to get to the prime scoring areas. The Canucks were hoping for a rebound to create it. And what other great chance did they have on the power play? The only other one wasn't a great chance it could have been. It was an aerial pass that JT Miller hit Souter, but that's a tough pass to hit. So even when they got that chance in the bumper, it was because essentially Dallas was taking away the ice. So Miller had to kind of elevate that pass, which is a tough pass for Pew Souter to get off. And guys, it really comes down to-- you're talking about that second goal as well. Jamie Ben gets that pass into the bumper. Pavelsky just ever so slightly changing the angle on that finding, waiting for that right second, and manipulating that pass to say, all right, I'm going to find the exact spot. You're going to bite, and it's going to open up my guy in the bumper, and that's exactly what happened. Yeah, and you mentioned the bumper play. And they approach things a lot differently, Bick. And I'll give you sometimes going to break down what Jamie Ben does when he was seeing the Canucks do. But they were trying to get to Souter a lot the first couple of power plays, and any time they went to the bumper with him, he didn't get a clean shot off or the shot he got off, just wasn't have enough power behind it. So they made a switch for the third power play. It put Elias Patterson in the bumper spot. And the first shot he gets, he misses a net, but he gets a shot attempt on goal. It seems like the key they feel to their power play is getting the bumper being a threat. Because that would open up the back door play. It opens up the cross seam pass the way they have to be defended against. And it seems like the Canucks are really dead set on trying to get that bumper play set up. And until they get that going and that becomes a threat, it's not going to open anything else up right now. It just doesn't feel like they know what their primary option is. To me, it looks like they're trying to go to that bumper right now. Sure. And it seems like every game they've tried to go there first, and then that opens up the next play, which becomes somewhat predictable after a while. But to me, OK, what's your biggest threat in the power play? We would say it's Patterson's shot. Yeah. To score a goal, right? Obviously, JT Miller handling the puck is the best threat. Or JT shooting a downhill. It's pretty similar. It's him or Patterson, yeah. But neither one of those things that we would say is what they're trying to engineer first. So there's four very qualified players. Lee is Patterson, who's getting shoot at it amongst the best in the league. JT Miller, Quinn Hughes, who's having a goal scoring season, and Brock Besser, who's your team goal scoring lead. And we're talking about setting up one guy who's not any of those four in a spot where none of them reside. Yeah, he's essentially the joining come lately on that power play. The other guy is our fixtures, right? But you're right. I think loading up him. But Satz, your point strategically, you're trying to make that a threat. You're trying to make that a threat. It's not a threat right now. You're trying to make that a threat so it helps to benefit the other guys. But the problem is, at some point, it's a threat or it's not a threat. It's a lot of jamming square pieces into round holes of saying, hey, how do we make this thing work to open up everything else? Well, if it's not threatening, suddenly everything starts to feed her out. And the creation to get a lead better than that shot is struggling. Is it as simple as moving Brock there? Because he's shown that he can play that. He can pop up and down. Because his shot is probably more of a threat. And then you get Pew Studer to play the net front or Dakota Joshua. I'm going to think net front slightly differently as well. Do you have to tweak it that much? I think-- Now we're talking about JT, not on the left. Yeah, that's a tricky thing. It's-- each guy can do it in their own component. But the components necessarily don't work together. Well, and that's kind of the problem here. And earlier this season, they had two right hand shots. They had Kuzmenko. They had Besser and it worked. So it's not like you have to have the left hand shot of the bumper spot to open those things up. But if you put Pedersen there, the issue becomes-- you saw it, Suder goes to the half-wall. So it's not that threat. It's just not. And you can quibble, you can talk about whether you like Suder in the bumper spot or not. But I don't like him on the half-wall. On one of the half-walls on the first uni-power play. To me, that's just not a spot where that's good for him. But it's going to have to be imperfect in one way unless you go two righties or something. But nonetheless, whatever it is, they have to figure out here. Until they get the power play going, you see these types of games here. In the postseason, it'll be a lot like this. It'll be kind of low event. It'll be tight checking. It's hard to score a lot of goals, 5 on 5. And if you lose a special teams battle, you're going to lose the game 7, 8 times out of 10 in the postseason. And you guys, one thing we haven't talked about, we saw a little bit of it tonight, though, as Momentum swings in-game, where all it takes is that one power play. You're able to score and boom, you've got all the confidence in the world and the game changes. And Vancouver right now, for what, 7, 2, and 1 heading into this game, they've been able to do that on the back of good defense, which is so vital in the playoffs. You have to be able to close down the middle of the ice. But the power play, if you get two power play opportunities in the playoffs, you're going to have to make them count. You're not going to get that many. Maybe in the first round, we've seen historically, they kind of overcall those first few games to kind of set the tone. So you got to deliver on those. But guys, later on, if you make it to late in that series or the second round, it's going to be what? Two penalty calls in a game. You got to make sure you deliver. And right now, that Dallas group that we saw today, the way they're whipping the puck around, this is a team that has multiple threats. Jason Robertson, I think, has one of the best riskers, one of the, even from harmless positions, the amount of torque that guy has on his shot, it's a threat because the rebound pops out. And then you got Ben in the bumper. You've got a guy like Hayskin in that can get it through. If else, could we know what he can do net front over there? The years of tipping pucks in. The Canucks are just getting that shot off right now is the biggest problem, and ideally, it has to be on one of the flanks, right? Ideally, you don't have a bow-horvat in the middle of the ice anymore as a bumper spot. So until you have that sort of shot, it's got to come in. You got to set up the weather, the right or the left, or, you know, Quinn Hughes, he had success down the middle of the ice. That's got to be your option because I'm with you. I just don't, I understand the, what they're trying to do with Pew Souter, but at some point, you got to deliver or it doesn't happen, right? So post-all-star break, they are 15.2% on the power play, and on special TV, this is coming into tonight. 79.1% on the penalty kill. We talk about getting to that 100 mark, combined. 94, combined. No worrying. - And PK was better heading into this game over the last 12 opportunities or the last, whatever it was, but your, the power play has taken a strong nose dive here, boys. That's not the one that's worrying, right? - And we can, we'll get to the high stick in a second 'cause I know there are a lot of thoughts here officiating obviously under the microscope yet again here, but you see how they score the goal. Like Patterson lays down, takes himself out of the play, and all of a sudden it creates a two-on-one down low. So it's like the PK in that aspect wasn't great. The way they cut the connects open pretty quickly on the last power play to make it two-on-one, it's just a kind of quick players or whatever it is, but I get your PK at times isn't gonna go and sometimes you get some bad calls go against you, but you have to be able to control what you can control and so far the Canucks aren't doing that. Now we'll get to the high stick in a second, but to me, the high stick doesn't take away how poorly they defended that sequence which led to the opening goal of the game. - You're right. Also, maybe just don't take a penalty. - Well, I mean, yes, I'll get to that in a second. There are two high sticking calls by the Canucks. Teddy Blueger takes a really bad one late. - Yeah. - We used had one earlier in the game. I mean, we talked about stick infractions. There's kind of penalties you can't be taken. - Yeah, and this is a game after the coach, a practice after the coach at UBC, he wasn't happy with the commitment through half of the drills, basically half of the practice time and did give the team a day off prior to that. So what, you know what Rick Chalk it thinks about stick penalties. It doesn't like them. Generally, when you start taking those, you're reckless with your stick, but also sometimes if there's neutral zone penalties or near the blue line, that also means that you stop skating. In these situations, it wasn't that, but you have to be careful with the stick because if the head snaps back, you're gonna get the attention of the referee and both of those penalties guys were not bad calls. They were literally, that was a penalty, right? Both of them were situations where you're essentially saying, okay, like Quinn Hughes on that play and Wyatt Johnson as well. Like those are gonna be called more often than not in the playoffs, they're gonna be called as well. So you gotta help yourself. If your PK is struggling, if it's been better of late, guys, that happens peaks and valleys. The PK was getting better. They were up to 15th prior to this game, but you cannot put yourself into position when you're going against the top 10 power play in the NHL and you give them five opportunities 'cause at some point it's gonna bite you in the rear end and happen twice tonight. - Well, and on that call, so to me when I watched it and I watched it so many different times, I thought it was a high stick. Now, I know by the rule it has to be clear and definitive. That's what they go by and I know Bix trying to draw a line. - Are you talking about the Jason Roberts thing? - The Jason Roberts thing, like to me that was a high stick and I don't know, I thought it was a high stick and I've seen a couple of different angles, like to me the puck rolls up to the top of his blade, which is above his shoulder. Like I thought that was a high stick. What did you guys come out? How did you guys feel about it? - I've done this a pruder fail. I've looked at it. It's almost at a point where it's like, I've said the word too much and it's-- - It's meaninglessly, it's meaninglessly. - I've watched it so many times now. I think it's inconclusive. I think what we're talking about here is the puck, how much of the puck has to clear the highest point of the shoulder? - Well, how much is it? - Okay, thanks on the best angle, like I could make an argument that they're in line. Does the entire puck have to clear it? 'Cause some of it certainly is, but is the entire part of it? Like at this stage, if it's that close in a tie, I think in general we would push towards more goals. - So there's two angles that it looks like it's obviously a high stick. There's one that kind of draws a, okay, it may be level potentially, and the fact is, remember, it's called a goal, right? The play on the ice is called a goal, and if there's something that gives you doubt where it might be level, you have to side with the call in the ice. So I was with you, Sat, I thought it was after looking at the first two angles. I'm like, oh, that's obviously a high stick, but there's one, I believe it's the back camera. - Yes, the highest point of Robertson's right shoulder, to me, is really in line with the tip of his blade. And unless the puck, and that back angle too, also doesn't show you at what point does the puck disconnect from the blade? So you're making a bit of an assumption too, in your matching two different screens at that stage. So I'm looking at this here, to me it looks inconclusive. - And here's the thing though, right? Because the other two angles might show that it's over, but if this one provides any doubt, guess which way they're going. - It's not a point. - It's not about the high stick being actually, is it or not, do you have evidence to prove that it is a high stick? And if that angle shows that, oh, actually, we might've got this right, guess what? They're going back. And that's why that third angle to me is so important, 'cause we saw, even here in the building, we saw the first two angles, and that was an obvious, even on error, batch and error like, yeah, that's gonna be called back. And then that back camera shows up and puts everything in doubt. - Yeah, and that's how I feel. I know there are a lot of people texting in, I'm mad about officiating, and okay, fine. And, okay, I understand. You still lost the special teams battle. And ultimately, that's what it comes down to for me too, and sometimes you don't get bailed out in this call, maybe you should've gone the other way, but you don't defend those sequences well enough anyways. And on the power play, if you're not generating enough scoring chances, it's just not gonna happen for you. The other thing we're getting a lot of, connect star players need to be better in games like this. JT Miller had a big goal. Elias Patterson's getting a lot of criticism in the text inbox, which seems to be par for the course anytime he has a bad game, or he doesn't produce it against the top team. I thought the first two periods, I wouldn't say soft, but he wasn't making the impact. You wanna see him from him? He was better in the third period, I thought. But, this was the type of game. Jason Robertson made a real good play for them. He's gonna make a number of big plays, and these are the types of games where you need money your guys to come through, and JT did, and I can understand why people were kinda wondering where was Patterson tonight in terms of making that difference? - That's gonna be the standard in the playoffs. Whoever you get, whether it's a Nashville, whether it's an LA, whether it's a Vegas, doesn't matter, if Winnipeg drops, guess what? Mark Schifley's not gonna be an easy matchup either. Those are gonna be the situations where in the top six guys, you're going to have to win your battles. That's essentially gonna decide whether the Vancouver Canucks will win a first round or not. Like your best players, the fourth line can be great, but you're not gonna win a series or two on the backs of probably your fourth line. So with Elias Patterson, yeah, I'm with you. Looking at some of the stats, they're a natural stat trick. I think they were one of the teams that was actually, or one of the lines that was positive when it came to shot attempts and high danger chances that were at about level with the opposition, but here's the thing, are you able to generate? For me, Elias Patterson, I don't think he was consistent enough tonight. This is, when you are a player that is relied upon in the top six, and especially with J.T. Miller playing with Sam Lafferty and R.C. Bance, right? Like this is a guy that's taking a tougher line mates in the sense that you respect their effort, but he's not playing with Brock Besser. He's not playing with Neil's Hoaglander. Like Elias Patterson is, you expect that line to be better. - And mind you, he scored his goal with Connor Garland setting up, but nevertheless, yes. - But you know what I mean though, right? Like for the most of the night, for a lot of the night, he's playing with guys that are obviously, they're striving to be at that level, but they're not there yet, which is fine. I would expect Elias Patterson, I think you need to see an effort where you're saying, all right, you gotta be winning your match ups, you gotta be that game breaker. And unfortunately, we didn't see it tonight, and we didn't see it in the LA game from any of the top six. So, you know, that is something that you're gonna have to do more consistently. And guys, there's games against LA. You have another shot to make it happen. You have another game against Vegas. You have some more that are happening as the season winds down, but yeah, you gotta make sure you refine for that playoff push, because that's when it's gonna matter the most where you bring consistency. - For me, it's more about the things he did in the defensive zone tonight. There was a clear attempt where Heiskman just outworked him and was able to get the puck away from Elias Patterson. The opportunity on the goal, let's get the puck out, yeah. Well, he's also sliding on that play 'cause he thinks Robertson's gonna shoot it, and now you're committed to the ground, and you're doing the stick swipe, and Robertson just kinda works his way around it because he's a skilled player that can navigate that space. And then on the power play, there's two turnovers in the right-hand corner. Yeah, he was better than the third, absolutely. But there's four kind of pivotal plays that you could have played a bigger factor in, and especially when we're talking about special teams, those power play turnovers loom large. - Well, even JT scored the goal five on five, but how many pucks did he not connect with Queen Hughes on the power play tonight? I mean, pucks did he end up getting out of the blue, yet passing out of the zone because he made a wrong play. So they weren't sharp enough, there's top guys on the power play tonight. - No, for sure, and you talk about the passes. I remember the one you specifically talk about JT Miller where it seems like he's set, he seems like they're ready to go, they set up and it goes to the left-hand side, and boom, it's just off course. And you need that execution because this is something that Rick Talkett harps on in every single practice. And I mentioned it again, last practice, he wasn't happy with the way they were doing drills, and he let him know about it, but this is where it's going to be a habit, it's going to be those details where it's going to be knowing where your teammates are and executing. That's what it's about, right? And tonight, they weren't there, and Dallas was. And overall five on five, it was even, for the most part, a couple of chances here and there, but for the most part, it was even, maybe Dallas got to the middle of the ice and to the in front of the net a little bit more. - I can live with the game five on five. - Five on five, but when you are in a situation where you have the man advantage, you have to take advantage of that. And if it's Dallas being aggressive at the blue line and knocking the puck off your stick, that's one thing. If you're not executing and nailing those passes, tape to tape, that's on you, right? And those are self-inflicted wounds. - Well, for instance, on the power play, the stars had five high danger scoring chances, connect zero, none, zilch. It's kind of hard to score if you don't create enough scoring chances, right? Randy, great stuff man, calling the game tonight. We look forward to chatting with you on Sunday when the Canucks take on the Anaheim Ducks and perhaps, perhaps, perhaps they clench a playoff spot by them. - I'm gonna warn you guys already. Sunday, I might be in a good mood, really good mood or a really bad mood. - 'Cause Arsenal's playing? - Arsenal's playing. - Alright, we'll see. - Early morning, I know it's post game show over there. I'm warning you guys right now. - What time is that match? 4.30? - I think it's 8.30. - Oh, it's tight, it'll be fine. - It's a 12.30 puck drop, you're fine. - No, I'll make it, I just don't know what kind of mood I'll be. That's all I'm trying to say. Alright, boys. - Alright, I know what he wants me to say, but I'm not gonna say it. Alright, I'm not saying gold gunners, alright? - You just said it. - See you, Randy. That's Randy, Jan, I call on the game alongside Brendan Bass for the time. The Canucks lose 3-1 on home ice against the Dallas Stars. Don't clench a playoff spot. The Edmonton Oilers win, so all of a sudden, the Canucks are a few points back of the Dallas Stars. The Edmonton Oilers nipping after heels with top of the division. So this season still has a lot of chapters still to write it seems like nine games remaining for the Canucks. Now before we go to the phone boards, pick a lot of phone calls, 604-280-0650. What are the people saying to our Dunbar Lumber Tax Den box, 65650? - Yeah, a lot of complaints about the Joshua play with Heiskinin along the boards. So I'm conflicted on this one, to be honest with that, because it looks dangerous. And I think there's a difference between falling dangerously and doing something dangerous. - Okay, he doesn't get cross-checked. Heiskinin is not cross-checking him. - He's not cross-checking him. And the puck's there. He's not actually tripping him with the stick, because Joshua's actually already falling once the stick makes contact with the feet. They get their feet knocked together, but it's Joshua going into Heiskinin's feet. And so Heiskinin's got the first position onto him. I'm a little skeptical of that being a dangerous play. Do they come together? Of course they do. But based on the way I see it from that back angle, I think it's more Joshua going into Heiskinin. Now there's a hand on the back, but it doesn't look like he's pushing him. - It's just like a little shove, but to me that, I don't know, he goes in down awkwardly, but like I said, I thought the high stick should've been a high stick on the first goal. That played, we watched it a hundred different times. To me, it was an awkward fall. I'm not sure there should've been anything there. - He falls dangerously. - I'm not convinced Miro Heiskinin did something dangerous. And the way their feet come together, to me it looks like Joshua is trying to pump his foot through and he makes contact with Heiskinin. That to me is Joshua initiating contact rather than Heiskin initiating contact. - Yes. That's kind of how I saw that one as well. This one here says on the positive side, really strong return for Dakota Joshua. Yeah, Joshua and Garland, maybe they're two best forwards tonight, overall. - Garland and Joshua, yeah. Sounds about right, I think overall. All right, keep your thoughts coming into our Texan boss. We'll hit some more of these as the show goes on, but let's go to the foam boards. 604-280-0650, full foam boards here tonight. Fans fired up after a 3-1 Canucks loss. Let's go to Poco, where we have Dan on the line. Dan, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hey, Todd, hey guys. Thanks for taking my call. This one is a thanks. First of all, you guys are pretty much the only chance fan to get to call in these days, so appreciate it. - Thank you. I think everyone's talking about the Raphson high stick or no high stick and the Joshua play. I mean, at this point, it's not like this game matters in a sense of where it's chasing a playoff spot or something. It's about the process at this point. And for me, it's about, I can kind of feel the outcome coming throughout the game. I felt that it was a matter of time. And for me, it's because of a couple of things, like Patterson is just pedestrian right now. He needs to be a beast. Like, they're gonna need him to be a, like, go right path, finding himself to being a beast, to go and do anything in playoffs. Yeah, and for me, the power play, another thing about Patterson is I felt for a long time that he should be in the bumper on the power play. He's, for months, he's been fumbling the puck on the right wall and stuff. He fumbled the puck in the first power play tonight, twice on the second power play tonight. I thought, like, did you get him in the bumper? He's not, the puck's only on a stick if it's like, you're getting it and it's right back off the stick and he can actually like get that laser beam off, which it isn't really a threat. Not one timer, you know, from the right wall. Like, it's not really, it's more of a myth, I think. And I think that would, like, remedy that. And the other part of that is I have thought for a long time that Hughes should actually be on the right wall in that Patterson spot. It's the beginning of the year. Hughes had talked about, and like everyone was talking about, Hughes being closer to the net. That would get, when he gets the puck, if he's on the right wall, he would get the puck closer to the net. He could cut to the middle or he could cut to the net. We know he can dangle, guys. That guys are gonna have to either let him walk in or they're gonna have to come to him and it's gonna create backdoor stuff while he opens. He could create so much havoc down low from from creating off that right wall. And lastly, that leaves Miller on the point to walk in and do his downhill. He's got the best shot on the team by a mile, in my opinion. And there's so many, you get Brock on his right hand side on the left wall, is it? I don't have to get why, I mean, I love talking. He's amazing, he's been great. I just don't understand why he's so willing to change the line, but so unwilling to try things on the power play. Like he'll put the suitors in tiny little tweaks, but like, why not Hoglander? Why not, you know, like Joshua's just back, but putting him in front, like, I don't know. I really feel strongly that PD should be in the bumper, he should be on the right wall and Miller should be on the point. So, and lastly, on a lighter note, how is there no kill, kill, kill, like audio or GIF or something in the building, whenever pews did or get the point, I mean, you haven't gotten in a while, so maybe there is, but. - Well, that's the thing. Maybe score a couple of goals and then maybe we can talk about it in a bit, but thanks to the phone call. I'd say, I mean, they actually have tried a lot on the power play. I don't know if that's actually accurate because we just talked about how they were trying a bunch of different things and they finally kind of went back to putting Miller on the half wall and Patterson in the third power play did start off playing the bumper spot. I'm not sure if Hughes playing the half wall is what you truly want to see. - Yeah. - I mean, yeah, you want to try things out, sure. I'm all for, you know, trying some stuff out or whatever, but we did see that. Patterson played the bumper to start off the third power play, last five power play opportunity that Canucks had in this game. - Yeah, the third one was really uninspiring with the Patterson attempt in the bumper. And now he gets the one shot off and it air mails up into the glass. But the thing that I really liked about the Ben power play and we talked about this in the intermission is they utilize him as a passer. Like his back is the goal practically and you watch Colin Zadorov on that hints goal. Both of their eyes are looking at Ben because like at what point is he going to turn into a passer into a shooter and they're both so focused on him that even when Iliya McKayev jumps back into the bumper because Patterson's sliding and he's got to protect the middle of the ice McKayev. Both Colin Zadorov are still kind of keeping their eye on when Ben is going to start transitioning towards the net and there comes hints creeping in. So utilizing that guy as a passer to me helps freeze the two defenders in that spot. And it's something, look, I don't necessarily want to see Patterson there all the time, but like Patrice Bergeron played the bumper to great effect for years in Boston and was basically just the passer out of it. And using the bumper almost as a bumper rail of pass goes in, pass goes out, pass goes in, pass comes out. And you can see it. - It's like a striker playing with his back to the net all the time. - A little bit. But this to me is just allowing guys to move off the puck while PKs are all stuck focused on the bumper. And traditionally we talk about, okay, you got to create the goal there. Yeah, absolutely. But you can find different utilizations. And if Patterson's not going to shoot it with enough frequency from that spot, well, it's not as if he can't handle in tight spaces. It's not as if he can't pass. It's not as if he doesn't have the self-awareness and spatial awareness of what's happening around him. So another spot that would be interesting because he is playmaking on the power plays and never really been developed. And is this another threat you can create? And do you put Brock on one flank on his strong side and JT on the other with Quinn and let the four guys figure out that way? That to me would be an option. Now, we're down the line here of thinking of options you can provide. Traditionally, we'd like to see JT on the left hand wall better some of the right shots aplenty. But that's not happening right now. - Well, they're not generating. And as far as, you know, Patterson's shopping a threat, I mean, you need to be able to get that shot off in dangerous areas by the time he gets pushed out all the way to the wall, the one-timer is not going to be a threat, no matter how hard you shoot the puck. All right, let's take one more phone call here before we hit the break. And let's go to Langley where we have Jake on the line. Jake, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts tonight? - Hey guys, I appreciate all the great radio throughout the year too. I haven't mentioned that too often, so thank you guys a little bit of some love there. So let's talk about, let me be a coach right now, just temporarily here. I feel like Joshua is the key to everything until at least until Lindholm gets healthy here. I would like to see Joshua with Brock Besser and JT Miller on a line, and I would like to keep that line for at least a week or two to see if they can develop some chemistry because he is the absolute key. We already know what Garland, Bluegr and Joshua on the third line can do. That's already established. We know they have chemistry. We could always go back to that. But we need to see what else we could do here, especially because we did see chemistry from Lafferty, Lindholm and the KF. And then suitor shouldn't be in anywhere near the top nine. Anyway, he should be probably our top six story. Anyway, he can be with suitor, you know, Bluegr and pot holes, and they actually had a little bit of chemistry as well. So we just, it's all about Joshua. It's the key to Joshua before anything on this team. And I understand that the top line has to be better. Like, I'm sorry, Patterson has to be better and everything. And that's true, and I get it. But I do believe there's such a hole when it comes to depth on this team because we didn't pick up another one at the deadline. And I know we did Lindholm, but there's just such a clear gap there that we need to turn Joshua into that gap. And that's what I would like to see. And why not put him on the power play with the rest of the crew and have him in the bumper spot and maybe the net front presence? Like, have we tried that yet? I don't remember us trying that yet. So yeah, that's my take. And I'm curious what you guys think. Cheer. - Hey, thanks for the phone call. That is Jake and Langley. What did you think about that there, Bick? - Yeah, the other thing that's coming into the inbox quite a bit is the two names that people want to see on the power player, Dakota Joshua, similar to what the caller would just thank at Nils Hoaglander. Those are the two primary names that we're seeing in the inbox. Now, Rick talking earlier today. - On Hoaglander? - Didn't seem too thrilled with the idea. - Yeah, but on Joshua maybe. I mean, if you can try and suit her out there, are you gains trying Joshua at some point? I'm not sure I am either. I'm not against trying that. All right, keep your thoughts coming into our text in the inbox, 65650, you can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650. And we'll get the thoughts of Dakota Joshua. A lot of people are texting in. They're not happy with what we've said about that play with Mira Heiskenin. And with Dakota Joshua, people think it should have been a penalty. Somebody texting and get somebody in there that can rip the referees. You guys are out to lunch. - Yeah, 'cause we've been quieting with the referees this season. - It's all good, it's all good. I know people are fired up. It's an emotional game, right? Canucks lose three, one, it's a big game. And I agree. The high stick should have been a high stick. Shouldn't account on that first goal, but we can talk about the rest as well. We'll get the thoughts of Dakota Joshua. It's interesting what he had to say about that play. Plus, we'll hear from the head coach after a 3-1 Canucks loss. This is the Canucks Central post game show presented by the number five orange of Vancouver legend. They've got sports too. More next on the home of your Canucks, sports net 650. - Hey, it's Dan Reacho and Satyar Shah. - Join us for Canucks Central where we will set up the game and break down the latest around the Canucks. - 4 to 6 p.m. and post game on sports net 650 and wherever you get your podcasts. - This is where Utah Canucks, you're listening to the Canucks Central post game show on the official home of the Canucks. - Sports net 650 and the sports net radio network. - Garland, into the Dallas end. Left circle trying to cut to the slot, lost the puck. Do Shane gets it, but is tied up by Blueger and harsh deep beans, holds in far boards. For Teddy Blueger dumps it behind the net. Garland cross-checked into the end boards by Hayskine and got the puck in front of the number. He scores! A seeing eye, no look, backhand pass from Connor Garlin behind the netlands right on the tape of JT Miller. And he wires it past Jake Ottinger to tie the game a 1. - Connor Garlin, he takes a lickin' but he keeps on tickin', gets drilled behind the net by Miro Hayskine, but right away gets up a behind the back feed into the slot to JT Miller who leans into it to score to make this 1-1. - An excellent job by Connor Garlin to keep the play going. And JT Miller, right after that goal, stares at the winger to say, "That's on you, Connor Garlin." You made that one happen, as the Canucks tie this up. - Connor Garlin eyes behind his head. Nice feed to JT Miller who made a 1-1 at the time as close as the Canucks got, losing 3-1 against the Stars on home ice. And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks, sports at 650 and the sports net radio network. Satyar Shah with Bick Nazar. Keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber text inbox, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650. And on that play, you know, JT Miller got the goal. And in terms of how that play happened, it was one of the rare moments that thought the Stars were over-committing defensively. They had two guys going towards Connor Garlin down low, which all of a sudden left somebody open. And the guy who was open was JT Miller screaming downhill off the bench. - It's a tremendous play by Garlin 'cause the puck is on the rail and he's waiting for it to come off the edge of the boards and Heiskinin pins him. And Garland stays on his feet. It's unbelievable job and the puck comes down. And he turns, I'm not sure if he knew Miller was there, if he's just putting into a dangerous area, knowing that the guys were committed down low, whatever it was, it's an unbelievable play by Connor Garlin. And Blueger and Baines, there's some credit 'cause they keep the puck in along the glass or yeah, along the boards near the bench. Blueger's the one that gets the assist 'cause he slips it down low to Garland. But they're the ones that start to play. Garland helps finish it and JT Miller is there to get a big ovation from the crowd with their serenading of JT Miller. - Yeah, absolutely. We have a lot of reaction on the text inbox as well here, Vic. Matt in Delta says, regardless of the Joshua situation being a penalty or no, we all know that the role was for reverse. The Canucks would have been hit with a game misconduct. That is Matt in Delta. I don't disagree that there's been some bad calls against the Canucks. We railed against the officials a few games ago too. - The game was the, the miss, the icing, which was one of the most horrific calls. - That was shocked. - So there's been some bad calls going against the Canucks. There's no doubt about it. On that play, so we'll play some of the audio later in his entirety once we all get it all sorted out. But Dakota Joshua mentions after the game, on that play with Mira Heiskenin, that he loses his footing. And now he says he wasn't happy. He still wasn't happy about how it happened, but it was more about him losing his footing going into the boards than anything else. So that's what he says. Now somebody texted in and said, it's a PR response or whatever it is. Okay, sure, if that's what you want us viewed. Others said Dakota Joshua wasn't interfered. Where he wouldn't be so mad. Well, he just kind of set himself after the game. Like I was more of a, like he kind of lost his footing in that. And to me, it's like, it's, they come together, there's no doubt. But there's nothing in that play where I looked at it and said, well, Heisken is trying to take him down. Like two guys kind of came together and he fell awkwardly. And his hands behind Dakota Joshua, but it's not really much of a push. So when I say there's not much there, it's coming together, but not much of intent. Either way, if they call interference, sure, great, it would have gone in the Canucks favor. But I'm not sure that was a blown call per se. And the way his hand follows through, I think is more in relation to Dakota Joshua falling over. I don't think it's the hand pushes and it swings all the way through. I think because the feet come together and loses his footing, as he said, then it looks awkward that the hand is there. But I think he's just trying to measure himself against Joshua with the hand there. And even Heisken's response, he kind of just puts his arms to the side and is little shocked at the whole scenario how it comes about. And then here comes the next guy and scuffle and sues, but he didn't look like this menacing guy of why I just put you to the boards, it looked odd. - Well, to me, it's like if Heisken would have lost his footing and fell down, it would have been like, well, this Joshua trip him. So both guys come together, because people are mentioning Smoke City on Twitter to putting the play together. It's a clear trip because Heisken has feet. I mean, both guys are skating towards the same pace and they're skates collide. - But it's Joshua going to Heisken's feet. - They're both kind of coming. They're converging together to me. They're both converging. - Yeah, but Heisken's skate is clearly ahead of Joshua's. - So it's one of those things. Like it's that play. - He's entitled to his base too. And he hardly gets to the one spot before Joshua. - We don't have to spend too much time on it, but I just want to bring up the comments from Dakota Joshua himself on this. But before we go to the Fulham boards, we have a full Fulham board as well. 604-280-0650, I think a couple have opened up. But let's get a couple of these texts in before we do that. - 650, 650 Franco from Burnaby guys at some point. Your future $11.6 million player has to take over a game. Haven't seen it this year. Can you find out how many points Least Petterson has against top teams in the West? We can do some work for you all now. - You can do that. It's going to be a lot better than you think. It's like the same thing people texted in and said the Canucks aren't good against good teams. They have one of the best records in the National Hockey League against playoff teams. And yes, a tough loss here tonight, a tough one against the LA Kings, no doubt about it. But sometimes you get caught up in the narrative over something that's happened recently versus how it's actually played out over the entirety of the season. All right, let's take a couple phone calls here before we get to Canucks head coach. Let's go to Surrey. Nathan is on the line. Nathan, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hello, you guys coming? - Yes. - Hey, how's going? - Dan Beck was cooking good looking how you boys doing tonight. - Good, good, man. What you got for us tonight? - Good stuff. Yeah, well, I was at the game tonight with one of my buddies and I mean, it's like two for two for me. The past two games I've been to anticlimactic endings there. Little bit disappointed that for tough penalty, it's taken in the late game by Teddy Blooger. But great to see that sitting hater, Jamie Bennett, is still a sissy, taking cheap shots instead of throwing clean hits. What's that guy doing out there? Toronto hasn't retired yet, but I guess he goes for that goal. Like he gets to get the winner there. A plus effort from Connor Garland, grinding it in the corners tonight. I thought he was one of the next best forwards tonight. And of course, JT Miller, killing it in the face-offs and being an absolute beast all around. I love to push back from him in the third, and I felt like he was the only cannot player that was really just trying to take it to that next level there. And of course, his goal is such a nice show. I feel like in all these close games, one goal game that we've lost in the past, like 10, 20 games or so. If Patterson just got going and stopped trying to dangle the blue line, and then Bambi all over the ice, we'd win a lot of more of these close one goal games. And, you know, the Bambi stuff aside, I'm sure you guys agree with that one there. So someone's got to take my advice and hit the gym. Hey, Vic? Patterson, is that it? (laughs) I think it's some up tonight's game. The effort was there, but just extra intensity wasn't in Dallas had that actually intensity. So you need to be a bit quicker whether decision making, especially on the power play to get those inside chances. Leave it back to you, boys. Have a good night. - Thank you. That is Nathan and Suri calling in. All right. Let's take one more call here and then we get to the Canucks head coach. Let's go to Suri again, where we have Blake on the line. Blake, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hey, Sad. Hey, Vic. Thanks for taking my call again. I promise I'll get the phone line to someone else on Sunday. It's a good thing that you guys didn't take my call a little earlier in the post game show. I wasn't happy about the refereeing, but after listening to you guys, I kind of agree more with you guys. And I mean, it's pretty simple. If the Canucks want to win in the playoffs, whether they don't like that call or not, they're going to have to kill off the penalty. If they kill off the penalty, they're still going to be in a tie game 1-1 and probably going to overtime. The other thing I didn't like about tonight's game was how early coach talk it pulled the goalie. As you guys know, I was there on Monday. I get it on Monday. You're down by equals with three minutes left. But you're only down a goal tonight. Like, what's the hurry? Why do you have to pull the goalie so early? Maybe wait till 90 seconds to start a score in the first minute and you're out of the game. The game's over. It's 3-1. So thanks again for taking my call guys. And we'll talk again soon. Have a good night. - Hey, thanks to the phone call. Good stuff here calling in here tonight. And, you know, on that-- - I don't think you're calling on Sunday. - 100% calling. Well, you know, if you get through, fast Eddie Gregory's got to put you through. Once he puts you through, we will get you on the air. For those that are on the phone boards, hold on to your lines. We'll get to after we play the thoughts of the head coach. But before we get to the head coach, just to answer that part for the caller calling in there, he mentioned, what was it he mentioned? Now all of a sudden I drew a blank. - Oh, I'm reading text. - Okay, my bad. - I feel so bad. - Yeah, all of a sudden I dropped it. I'm not going to even blame it. It was, yeah, man. All right, you know what? We will regroup on this. We'll get to the Canucks head coach. Now, fast Eddie Gregory's messaging me. All right, we are going to get to the Canucks head coach. Man, I'm drawing a blank. Apologies. I just all of a sudden drew a blank on it. - Blank, I'm bad. - I'm sure I'll come back to it in a second here. - Can we screw that one up? - But no, sorry, the goalie pull, pull the goalie. - Oh, yes. - So I turned to you 'cause the Canucks had an offensive zone face off, so two minutes and 40 some seconds left. I'm like, do you pull the goalie here? Like goal aggressive? And he did, and I'm like, oh, actually, I don't mind it. It just never got possession. And if you can't get clean possession off the face off, you kind of are in trouble, and that's kind of what happened. And, you know, obviously you can look back at it and hindsight and say, hey, obviously you could have waited and you wouldn't have given up that extra goal, but I don't mind being aggressive with the goalie pull in that situation. They had an offensive zone face off. - So the Canucks tonight, 55% in the draw. I don't, Nathan called earlier, saying JT Miller, the beast in the draw. He was actually 47% tonight. Loses the one on the PK as well that leads to the Jimmy Ben goal. And Hans is texting in, and we do miss Lindholm. - On the PK, for sure. And so in that moment, he's writing in that spot. Is that beneficial in that moment, situational face off, could have played a big role. - Brandon and Poco, sat is drawing a blank like the Canucks power play. Well played, well played. - That was like a good look for us. - No, not great. We'll get to back to more of your thoughts on the Texas inbox and also on the foam boards. Well, let's hear the thoughts of the Canucks head coach. Here is Rick Talkett after a 3-1 loss against Dallas. - Just your thoughts on the game, is it fair to say that special teams kind of were the difference in this one tonight? - Yeah, three minutes, things. Power play go, you know, one-on-one game. They made the play. That's really what comes down to it. But we had, you know, hard fought, went game. Thought we could have needed a few more guys to battle a little bit harder, I thought, in the corners. But for overall, came down that power play go at the end. Two, about three minutes left. - JT was pretty critical of himself about getting to the inside and talked about you guys as a whole needing to get more to the inside. Do you agree about what you saw in terms of trying to trend in that direction? - Some guys got in, some guys get in the inside. Some guys do. Some guys didn't, but some guys tried, I thought, you know, one-on-one game. You're looking for somebody to make that play inside or whatever. You know, unfortunately, you know, we got that power, they get the power play. We kind of lose coverage in the mentally ice. - Rick, on the coaches' challenge there on the first goal. - Yeah. - How many times have you looked at the replay now and do you think they got it right? - I don't know, honestly. I saw a couple angles real quick, but, you know, I realize I'm Dylan, he's usually, I'd still, you know, I'd still challenge it. I thought there was a couple of views, but I guess they didn't think. I honestly, I haven't really looked at enough to really, you know, just a couple out there, and then those guys have more looks than I do. But it didn't really factor in it, it didn't matter, but thank God we killed the penalty. Oh, you're saying about the goal, yeah. You wouldn't just allow the goal, you're saying? Also, I mean, chip away, you get back on even terms, sound fortunate not to be able to harness sort of the energy of the building when you guys get on the board with that kind of goal. - Yeah, no, I know. Yeah, it's one of those, it's one of those things, but you know, you know, it's, you know, they're powerfully, what they get, two powerfully goals tonight, and we came empty. You know, we got to make some plays. Had a couple of looks in the middle, a couple of shots, a couple over the net there, but you know, we got to, sometimes the power play, you know, you got to get those gritty things, you know, you need three people to net, and like, too many set plays that I think sometimes it burns us when we're trying to get guys to understand that we got to get the puck to the net. There's got to be gritty goals on power plays. It can't be pretty. That's really, you know, they got a couple of tonight. But yeah, unfortunate. - With Dakota backing the lineup, you put him right back on that line with Teddy. What did you like about that line? What did you like about Dakota's debut? - I liked Dakota, and I like Garrs. I thought they showed up tonight. They played good. I think they played good together. - And I felt like it, five out of five, I felt like the team was, there was a lot of scrambles around your crease, but it seemed like they were protected well at five out of five. Did you like the way that the group defended it? - Yeah, that team's one of the best at shooting for sticks, and I thought we, for the most part, did a pretty good job. That's a tough team to play against, because they're very good at that. It's actually, you know, whether you're young guy or, you know, a player in our team, you should watch that team, how they present their sticks and stuff like that, they play it hard. But I thought we defended half-decent, to be honest with ya. I mean, one-in-one game going into the three minutes left. So it wasn't too bad, the defending part. - Rick, I think that was the first challenge this year that you guys haven't won, so you had a pretty good record. I know that you defer, you sort of rely on the opinion of others, but were you surprised by it? - Surprised by the challenge? - The outcome. I mean, you must have a feel when you challenge, yeah, we're gonna get this one, or maybe this one's iffy. - Yeah, you know, I defer, you know, to Dylan's great. I mean, even last year we had a couple, I think he's great, so if he feels that I'm gonna go with him every time. So at the end of the day, it's not responsible as on me, not Dylan, but yeah, not a big deal for me. - And you had had a pretty good run where, you know, just one or a couple of power plays against five tonight. I know one was the challenge, was that too many if you're gonna play playoff hockey? - Yeah, I didn't like some of the penalties, I thought they were careless, like careless penalties, yeah. - You come off the ice after that. You know, what was the mood in the room? What were the guy, like after the game? - Like after the game. - Did you go and say something? - No, I'm probably a 25% guy going in. I'm not a big believer in always going in, but I don't know. I think guys will be disappointed. You know, you're looking for a play, somebody to make a play or maybe a little more disciplined. Maybe that's the difference of the game. These games are gonna be like, they're coin flips. So, you know, the last game, the same thing. So you're looking for a player, an intelligent, like not taking a penalty, a good change, like that. Those things that kill you, you know, a bad change, a bad penalty, you know, those are the things. The structure-wise, not giving up, you know, the chance, I think they were fairly even, they had a few more chances of the power play than us, but I thought for the five out of five, the high dangers, you know, I think it was even, or I don't know, it wasn't, you know, it's a coin flip after that. So I think the intangibles, you know, the six out of five there, you know, we have, that's the one that disappoints. So we have four guys in there, and we can't come up with a loose puck. Got to come up with a loose puck. You know, they had three, we had four. You know, there's a lot of technique and grit and will in there, and I didn't see it. I just saw a lot of guys waiting for the puck, and I think that's what happens sometimes. That's the one probably bothered the most that we didn't come up with that loose puck. - We've talked so much about the power play. JT felt that, basically, the guys aren't moving quickly enough. Is it that simple? Do you need to try something drastic? - It's too mechanical. I've said it all year. It's got to be organic, you know? When somebody passes it, it's on. I think it's a lot of, it's probably the hardest thing I've had this year is trying to get this group to make it. It's too mechanical. You know, we need a little bit more, you know, taking pucks than that or a back door play, or it's a one timer from the point with traffic. So that's something we're chipping away. I thought, actually, the last couple of weeks, it's been a little bit better. We had a couple of good looks. Now you got to score, though. You know, if you get a couple of shots in the slot, you know, you got to make that shot. - You have a day off tomorrow. What do you want your players to be thinking about or doing or what have you? - Well, just to get a reset your mind. You know what I'm saying? Reset your mind. And, you know, we got a big game Sunday. That's the way it is. Come back to work on Saturday and work at your game on some of the things that, if you struggle today, you know, why did you struggle? And then come with a mindset how I'm going to rectify it when we play now, and that's what I think. - You talked about your team taking some careless penalties to make it and being careless, kind of, in other aspects of their game as well. Do you think that that has to do you, at all with this kind of time of the season and how other teams are kind of starting to clamp down a little bit? - Yeah, it shouldn't. I mean, I hope not. I mean, you know, you can't trip people. You can't, you know, you've got to be in front of a guy to box a guy early. If you're a little late, you're going to hide sticks on me. If you don't get the puck in deep, you drag your feet and trip somebody that you can't do those things. And that's just focus. You know, you can't take five penalties in these type of games. 'Cause it just takes one bang play. They did in the third period with three minutes off the score goal. You know, our coverage is a little bit loose in the middle, but other than that, you know, you can't take care of those penalties. - Can you talk about Garland's play on one goal tonight? - Yeah, I mean, it was a hell of an effort. But the other thing is Dakota goes to the net. That allows JT to get the shot. If Dakota goes somewhere else or around, there's no goal. So that's why I had Dax Valuable. Like, you know, it goes through, that clears, now it mills me. So we need more guys that go through, so somebody else gets the goal. And because that's playoff hockey, you know, you're gonna have to get a lot of those type of goals. - And Joshua led the team with six hits tonight. You had him on at the end of the game, like just speak about just like the different element that he brings to your team. - Yeah, he deserves to be out there. You know, when I'm looking down there, he should be out there. So, but it was a good game for Dax for being out for six weeks. So now that I'm glad he's getting the day off so he can get a couple days here for the next game. - Arsteep Baines first came back after the call up. What do you think about his thing? - Yeah, I thought his speed, he helped us with some speed. You know, fortunate, the penalty's, power plays, you know, there's some help times, you know, but the speed's there. So hopefully he can build off that. - Canucks head coach Rick Tockett, after a 3-1 loss on home icing is a Dallas Stars, mentions that, you know, wanted some guys to be to battle more tonight. He saw it from some guys getting inside, but not from everybody. And it seems like it's a common refrain from the head coach, Bick, that not enough guys are working hard enough to do enough to score goals right now. - Yeah, and very interesting that he points out that Joshua, like there's something he's willing to do to create a goal for someone else. - Yes. - He doesn't even get an assist on that play, but the work he does opens up the space for JT Miller to get that goal. And what are we talking about tonight? A lot of people are texting in. They need more effort, they need more to arrive. And he's mentioned also on the power play, "Can you just take a puck to the net?" Instead of being mechanical. That's a great word for it. - It is, and I was searching for a word too, I think I said, "formatic" and-- - Formula-like, or something. Yeah, and it is a great word, because they're very predictable too. It's like, hey, and deliberate, it's very obvious what they're trying to do. - Well, the sequence that you were talking about, it seems like everything gets kicked off the first bumper. - Bumpy, and then that's what kind of what they're trying to do. And I thought, after Patterson played in that bumper spot on the third power play, he ended up on the left half-wall, one spot, and he did kind of attack and went towards the net, and an Audinger, and Audinger just kind of held his post, and Patterson wasn't able to squeak it in, obviously, but that was an example of drive towards the net. If they give you the lane, take it. And there's too many times they're passive when the lane presents itself, 'cause they're trying to set up some shot, or set up some other type of look. And sometimes you gotta take what the defense is giving you, and that connects too often, and you're right, it is a great word, are too mechanical in trying to be deliberate what they wanna create, as opposed to taking what the defense is giving them. Did anything else stand out there for the head coach? You mentioned Dylan Seward, who's the video analyst, and he says he trusts him fully-- Crawford. A Crawford, yeah, a Dylan Crawford, so he feels like he's the guy, so he feels very confident about it, and he's always gonna trust what he has to say, but he said he had to watch it closely to really give a look, to give him opinion on whether it was a high stick or not, except for he felt like, hey, if I'm challenging it, I feel pretty good, and I think that kinda tells you, I know he didn't say it, but that kinda tells you that, hey, we trust our video, guys, if they saw something, we believe them. Yeah, and I wanna be clear, I know we talked about it, being great detail earlier. I still think it's a good challenge. Oh yeah, I think you have to challenge it, 'cause when you see the play happen in real time, you're like, that might be a high stick, you have to challenge it. Look, it's a bad result, obviously, and it keeps the goal, you stay on the PK, but I still think it's worth challenging. Push the referees to make a decision, especially with the benefit of video review, and we've gotten some texts about it this too, just on the idea of how you want this process to go, and a lot of people are texting in, when the high stick is that close, blow it down, a crucial play on the power play, come on, you gotta call that, and also Kevin from Surrey says, it's way too close to not call that play, and we've discussed this to a great length about the current state of officiating, and for me, a reliance on technology. So, the instruction is to let the play play out, as much as you disagree, but that's the reality we live in. So they're letting the play play out, because they have the benefit of video review. And this is where you get delayed decision making, or referees that are being pushed because of a league mandate to rely on technology, rather than being in the moment, and being willing to call that in real time. Now, it is razor thin, and in general, we want to see goals in an entertainment product. If it's razor thin, I probably agree with letting it play it out, because ultimately you do want to see goals. I understand it's versus the Canucks, I understand your Canucks fan and everything like that. But if you flip that play in reverse, and as the Canucks doing it, you probably want that play to play out. - I don't follow fans for being passionate. I mean, you want your team to, when you're going to see through that, absolutely, 100%. Like, I have no issues with that. It goes both ways. If it goes your way, you're like, well, it wasn't conclusive. - Sure, but I just think it's a current state of officiating right now across all sports, that in that moment, people are demanding for it to be blown down, because it was close enough you should do it. When the reality is, officials nowadays are asked to not blow it down. Whether it's offside and soccer, whether it's this, whether it's a fumble, whatever it is, officiating across the board is saying, well, play it out, because you can just go to the tape and get the call right. And tonight, I know there's people disagreeing if they got the call right, but that moment, they're not going to blow that whistle down if it's that tight. - No, and I can't understand that. All right, we gotta hit the break. For those holding onto your phone lines, we'll get to you right after the break, more of your text messages as well, plus we'll hear more thoughts from Canucks players after a 3-1 loss on home ice against the Dallas Stars. And this is the Canucks Central Post Game Show, presented by the number five, Orange. The game is over, but he's in night, done? More next on the home of your Canucks, Sportsnet 650. - Hey, it's Jamie Dodd and Thomas Strance. Get your daily dose of Canucks talk with us weekdays from 12 to 2 on Sportsnet 650. - Or catch up on demand through your favorite podcast app. - This is the Canucks Central Post Game Show. - Join the discussion on the official home of the Canucks, Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. - Hints, far boards, carrying down the wall. Now Hayskonen gets it left points, skates along the ice to Hints left circle, download of Pavelsky to bend in the slot, he scores. Jamie Bend with a one-time snapshot from between the dots, scores the second power play, goal of the night for the Stars, and they go up two to one with 3-0-8 remaining in the third. - And Dallas wins the face-off, sets up possession rather easily for the Canucks, in the Canucks zone, and then Jamie Bend, just in the bumper spot, gets the feed from Joe Pavelsky. - Yeah, three minutes, six. - Probably go one-one game, they made the play. That's really what it comes down to, but we had, you know, hard-fought, wet game. Thought we could have needed a few more guys to battle a little bit harder, I thought, in the corners, but for overall, came down like, power play go at the end. Two, what, three minutes left. - That is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett after a 3-1 loss against the Dallas Stars, and this is the Canucks Central Post Game Show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks, Sportsnet 650. 650-650 is a Dunbar Lumber text inbox, it's Satya Rashaw with Bick Nizar, but before we get that, let's get through our phone boards as well, 604-280-0650, and then Bob's been waiting patiently to get on, so let's go to Bob and Gibson's to get his thoughts. Bob, thanks for hanging in there. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hi guys, so I just wanted to get into Heather's certain, and the overall, just anyone who thinks that this game was lost through the referees, just don't take away any, you know, any responsibility from the Canucks themselves, because real winners, they don't let penalties like that make them lose games, and really pump the dog after he's snuck into my dad's like a special gummy drawer out on the ice, extra wear, like he's just slow, and he's fumbling around, and I don't know about you guys, but when he gets a puck for a shot, his wind up is so long, he gets a pole check every single time, and he just doesn't all get the shot off. He's got your JC Mueller every time. - Hey Bob, we're kind of losing you a little bit. I think, hey, you're kind of breaking up, if you can try to call back, we'll try to get you on again. I think he mentioned Patterson, I think that's what he's talking about on the PowerPoint. - Look, a lot of people are sending in their thoughts on these Patterson throughout the course of the evening, tonight, certainly fair for two periods. Not only just not effective, but was instrumental in some moments, especially on the power play, play in the right corner, where he's trying to do similar thing to what Robertson did, loses the handle, there's a battle on another power play, doesn't win that one in the right corner, and it's sloppy stuff, and certainly worth mentioning tonight. The thing too is, he did end up taking 11 shot attempts tonight, four on goal, seven off the net, and actually Rick talked to even mention this too, that hey, sometimes we just gotta get more guys to the net. You know, one thing that stood out to me, and he mentioned, hey, getting three people at the net or something, there were moments when shots would go, and the Canucks had two guys in front, and it's not even good shot blocks, but it would hit the Dallas star. And so there's four bodies in front, and you almost have to be so precise in moments like that, and it just hitting legs, and yeah, it's fantastic to get more bodies, but now are you creating six bodies? It's just an interesting dynamic to consider that if you're trying to throw more, and I know you go to the areas where the goals are scored, but a lot of shots tonight just hit Dallas star's legs, and not even on a sliding player, reading the play correctly, it just dies battling, and the puck just hits him in the calf all of a sudden. - Yeah, it's one of those things too, and you turn to me at one point and say, do they have too many people in front of the net? - Yeah, it happened a lot. It'd be one thing if-- - It's all good about it. - We're reading the play perfectly, and timing it up, and a shot goes off a skate and up into the stands. There wasn't a lot of that. They ended up with 18 blocks, but a lot of it was just hitting an errant player in front of the net. - Yeah, no, absolutely, and it's one of those things too. It's, they got to the inside sometimes that consistently enough around, but you know, the Canucks had a lot of shots blocked, and this is something that's happened the last little while too. There's been games they've had, they've been out attempting their opposition, but in terms of actually getting shots on goal, that hasn't quite happened or gone the way, the way they had really hoped it would so far. It's been a season. All right, keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber Tax them box, 656.50. This one says, "Have you guys mentioned the looming Oilers?" Yes, we have. The Evans and Oilers are now six points back of Vancouver. They have two games in hand on Vancouver, and that means they could close the gap to two points, and they have a match up coming up against them, and there's something I mentioned to reach yesterday on the show pick, and there's like 10 games remaining on the season. If the Canucks win, like six of their final 10, now, you know, six of the next nine, all of a sudden, it doesn't seem as easy, this should be fine. But if we're talking about, they win three or four out of these final 10 games, and Edmonton keeps doing their thing, yeah, their spot atop the Pacific Division could be at risk. Now, Edmonton still has to win their games in hand. They have a lot of games in short order. I know their schedule is, quote, unquote, easier, so to speak, but their degree of difficulty with back-to-back and amount of games is more difficult than the Vancouver Canucks, but they're nipping out their heels here, pick. Like, this really is like, you know, the Canucks have done such a good job getting to this point this year, right? They're sitting in their position, and I can live with not finishing first in the conference. You can't cough up your spot in the Pacific Division. And I can understand why the coach was really preaching urgency at practice yesterday and stopping practice and yelling at the guys to get going again, because this is the last time, this is the last worst time you want to be falling asleep, or losing a little bit of an edge. And don't hand it to them. If Edmonton, you know, wins 13 in a row or something, sure, and you went like, you know, seven and three, and somehow they made it happen, okay, sure, things kind of go against you, but like the Canucks have to take care of business here. And now here's a game you lost, now back to back, you have nine games remaining, then that margin for error over the Edmonton Oilers is very fine right now. - And especially with the advantage of this home ice stretch that they've had, where they can get practices in, look, it's gonna get tough at this time of the year to get practices in, and in the playoffs, like it's treacherous. So use this ability that the schedule afforded you to get sharper. And if you're not, then, okay, there's a little bit of a concern there. I imagine that's part of the insistence on Rick Tock it to bark back a little times, 'cause the schedule did them some favors here at this time of the year, where they can really fine tune some things. And if it's not coming, translating to results, that's a problem. - Yeah, absolutely. Let's take another phone call. Let's go to LA where we have Dawn on the line. Dawn, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts tonight? - Why, thanks, I just wanted to mention that, I found it interesting that Blue Girl was high-stipped right by the net, right by our net. And he, I think he had blood, and that would have been a four-minute penalty. I think it was still one-one. I mean, he charged after the referee saying, what the hell, you know? And then who gets called on a high-sticking blade in it in the third is the Blue Girl. I mean, that's, that just seems very odd to me. I don't know. Did you guys notice that? - Yeah, I actually think the guy who got high-staked was for the Perona. - It was Perona, yeah. - But the point stands, the point stands. - And so we've got Perona. - It was Perona, number 17 for Vancouver, yeah. But I agree with you, you know, and it's all good. Thanks for the phone call, Dawn. I appreciate you calling in, and, you know, on that play. So it's one of those where it is a follow-through, right? Like, 'cause like, it's a follow-through on a shot. The question is, is it reckless? Because the puck's already in the air, and he bats it, and he follows through by hitting her ownock in the face with it. The official say it's a follow-through. The question, I guess, would be, is it a reckless type of shot? That's not a normal-- - There's not even really a shot, 'cause he's trying to put it back into the middle of the ice. - But it's a follow-through on a shooting pad. Like, whatever, moving the puck through the air. - Yes. - So we all know about high-stacking. I'll skip a little bit here. But, however, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal wind-up or follow-through of a shooting motion, or accidental content on the opposing center was bent over during the course of a face-off. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal wind-up, or follow-through in any contact to an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly. - So is that a wild swing to you? 'Cause he's in control of what he's trying to do. He's got firmly two hands on the right spots, and he's trying to push that puck back into the dangerous area of the ice. But at the same time, it's not necessarily a natural follow-through is what I would say. - It's not a natural follow-through. The question is, to your point, was it a reckless play? And it's not a reckless swing, 'cause he makes contact with it, and it's a normal type of swing, but he does follow-through and hit a heroic in the face. I have seen players play similar like that B-call high-sticking, so it's one of those things. I guess it would have been nice when the Canucks weigh, as opposed to not going the Canucks weigh, but my initial reaction when I saw it was, it's a follow-through, but I don't people won't be happy with that, 'cause people were texting into and saying that should have been a high-stick or not. - This one to me is the most ambiguous one, whereas the Robertson high-stick, and that leads to the goal, I feel it's very inclusive to point. I might even be extremely confident that it is in line with his shoulder. The Joshua one we've talked about, this is the one where it's like, I really see both sides of it, but I understand it being called, I understand it not being called, and the way this is worded, it just, again, it feels ambiguous. - Yeah, absolutely. This text here says, "You know, they do manage to kill the penalties, "it's still 1-1 going into OT against a team on the road "when they're at home and very rested. "We didn't look all that better than Dallas at any point." Now, it's true, I don't think the Canucks at any point looked like they were better than Dallas, that they looked like they matched Dallas a lot. - Yeah, that's fair. - And yeah, if you want to expect more, it's fair. Like, I do think they could have done more. You know, some have been texting in about Patterson and saying, "Why aren't you guys more critical of them?" Others saying, "I thought Patterson had a solid game tonight." Solid, I don't think is good enough anymore in terms of how we're judging, how these players have to play in these types of games. - Yeah, at this time of year. - Yeah, and at this time of year, especially, especially when there's this-- - It was four-nothing Canucks and a bunch of guys did something and mentioning Patterson who had nothing on his course, he had to be like, "Yeah, he was fine, he was solid." - No, on a night like tonight when you got one goal and especially, again, I'll go to those power plays, the E made plays that neutralized the threatening moments. - Yeah. - So you're in the crosshairs today. It's totally understandable. And you're also swimming on the power play goal against. - Yeah, absolutely. Somebody else texted in a bit earlier and said as far as the officials are concerned, do you guys think they should have to answer post-game like they do in the NBA, for instance? Absolutely. This is something we've talked about quite a bit. The fact that NHL officials don't answer and have to hide after every game and we get some reports in the league every once in a while about how things go, to me, is really cowardly. And I think with how the league is going and how things have been going the last little while across all sports, the NHL is the one that allows for a lot of cloak and dagger with injuries, no clarity on injuries. God forbid you talk to the officials. God forbid they're held accountable. Like, to me, it's an absolute joke. All the other leagues are far more serious when it comes to talking about injuries, what's going on with players and what's happening and also keeping their officials accountable. And it seems like the NHL is scared of both things. If for a league that talks about toughness and accountability, there's not enough of it when it comes to that aspect of things. So I'm all for it when it comes to having NHL officials be accountable and speak to the media after the game. I think it's a joke that they don't. - It would also just be, to some degree, to their benefit, 'cause it's the easier for all parties. - Explain yourself, what's so wrong with you being able to explain what your thought process was. - Yeah, and is it okay, is it too hard to say I was wrong? Every once in a while? - Or at least explain, I don't like the part where sometimes we have to speculate on the explanation. It'd be just a lot easier for them to come out and say, "This is what I saw." Right or wrong, we can sit here and then discuss reality of what the referee says. - Yeah. - Sometimes it comes off as justifying it, but a lot of it, times is us speculating on what the explanation would be. - Right. - And trying to form our own opinion off of it. It'd be a lot easier if the ref just came out and said it, "Hey, this is how I read it. "This is what we think. "This is what the rule says." So it would, I believe, just offer a level of transparency that I think would take the temperature down. - Absolutely, I mean, this text says, refs are a part of the game and their frailties of their judgment are so all, also are. That's Ian texting in, and this one says, "Always trying to justify the crappy call. "Who cares, why don't you go after the league?" I mean, kind of went after the league, but in terms of justifying the calls, we have to tell you what the call is, what the rule book is, and our interpretation of what happened. That's just giving you analysis of what happened, not just telling you sometimes what you wanna hear. I understand, though, frustrating. Keep your thoughts coming in. Dunbar Lumber will get to more Canucks players' post game, plus Ian McIntyre as a Canucks central post game show presented by the number five, or as continues on the home here at Canucks. Sport. - Miss any part of Halford and Bruff in the morning? Subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast. And don't miss an episode. This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post Game Show on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. - Tyler Myers floats into the corner, five coals and lays a head on the down on the end, well, got it free to Garland side of the net. Garland with a nice play to move into space right corner. Centers into the slot, Blooger with a low shot, stopped by Ottinger, got down low in the splits, and held it out with a left hand. - Canucks lose 3-1 on home ice against the Dallas Stars. And this is the Canucks Central Post Game Show presented by the number five orange on the home here at Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Satyarshaw with Biknazar. Keep your thoughts coming into our Dunbar Lumber text in the box, 650, 650. And obviously, a lot of frustration with the officiating in this game. But I think we spent quite a bit of time on it. Don't you, I know Alan Eastman says, can't complain about the rest when you go over, over on the power play. And, you know, we started a show off talking about special teams as a difference. And you can quibble with calls. And even if you take the high stick call away, the Canucks still lose the special teams battle one nothing. And they only scored one goal tonight. And if you only score a goal, give up a goal on the power play on the PK, can't score on the man advantage with the opportunities you have, it's still within your control. And what the Canucks control tonight was not good enough overall. - No, it's at best played evens at 5 on 5, at best. And then they got worked, special teams. - Yeah. - Completely, like worked. The star score two in five attempts, Canucks go over three on the power play. - Yeah. - There's the game. And situationally, this is the stuff that's gonna matter at come playoff time. As much as we talk about a win the game 5 on 5, in short sample sizes of four to seven games, these things can bear you. And right now, this is quickly emerging as something that's a cause for concern for the Canucks. Is their special teams. And post all star break really is leaving a lot to be desired. So now after tonight, the Canucks have a 77.8 PK since the all star break. Which is good for 21st in the league. And power play, including tonight's game. It sits at 14.5%, which is 29th in the league. - Not great. - No, the power plays are at 91%. - And they've shown time, so we know, sometimes we could look, we've seen some moments from them. We're like, hey, are they figuring it out? Is the power play back? - Sorry, 92.3%. - 92, yeah, it kind of needs to be a little bit higher. Overall, it kind of needs to be a bit higher. But yeah, overall with the Vancouver Canucks on the man advantage, not getting enough done. All right, keep your thoughts coming into our text unbox. We'll hit some more as a show goes on here. We are gonna have Ian McIntyre join us as well. Let's get some thoughts of Canucks players. A contentious moment was Dakota Joshua, Emil Hyskine coming together, and Joshua not being happy, going after Hyskine on the play. Nothing was called on it. Joshua does address it in his post-game media availability, so let's go and hear what he had to say. We talked about it a bit earlier, but here it is, Dakota Joshua talking to the media after his first game back in a 3-1 loss against the stars. - Yeah, it was nice to get out there in battle again, and just be with the guys, and go through the ups and downs of the other game. - And the Hyskine heavy frustrated, there wasn't a call. - No, I think I lost my footing. I'll have to go back and look at it again. I know he wasn't intentional, but still, I wasn't happy. - Did you feel the pace to go after missing seven weeks to come into this time of the season? - Yeah, there's a little adjustment period, but nice to get it under my belt and moving on to the next one. - Did it help to have the familiarity going back with Blue and Garble? - Yeah, for sure, that was fun, and I miss playing with those guys. That was a tough playoff-like game, so plays are hard to come by, but it was nice to be back out there with them. - JT talked about struggling to get to the inside. Is that something that you saw as well through the group as a whole? - Yeah, for sure, that's what it comes down to in these tight games. One bounce here or there makes a difference, and that's why it's got to be a consistent effort to get there, so we're getting more of those bounces. - Do you have to do the extra man there at one point to rise to get in the call? - Yeah, I mean, that's talk. He goes with his gut, and yeah, for sure, it's always nice to have the confidence to go out there. - Obviously not a great night. Special team flies at this stage of the season in California, to make sure you win the special teams. - Yeah, yeah, once again, as he gets tight here, in the playoffs and down the stretch here, it's important, so, you know, stuff to work on, but our team has all the confidence in those guys to pull through when it matters, and that's what they'll do. - Too much confidence. Can you guys take from holding them off the board at 5 on 5, Andy? - I mean, I don't know if we'll look at it like that. Still, we didn't get any points. That's a loss. I don't know if there's any, I guess, you know, positives. Maybe there is some positives, but I'm just a part of the game that we gotta fix is the special teams. - That is Dakota Joshua after a 3-1 loss against the Dallas Stars, and mentions, you know, on that play, you know, it should've been a penalty call. He was asked on a mere high skinnings. He says, nah, you know, it was kind of a coming to, you know, it was an intentional. I lose my footing more than anything else, but still wasn't happy. Yeah, I mean, you go in awkwardly, like-- - Well, you're a fiery competitor. - Yeah, like, you're gonna compete and get up. You're gonna feel like maybe something happened, and I'm sure he saw the replay, and he's like, okay, well, you know, like, he himself said, I don't think he should've been a penalty. I lost my footing a little bit, but, you know. - Again, the thing that you have to ask is, does the hand influence the fall? And I don't think it does. I think Joshua clips Heiskinen's foot. That's what influences the fall, and then the hand just happens to go with the body. So, you can view it however you want. For me, that's not a penalty. That's Joshua clipping into Heiskinen's feet. And then we have a text here, coming in 6.50, 6.50. Just watch the replay again. Joshua's looking back at the pass. Heiskinen engages contact when the puck is at the top of the circle still. Heiskinen also puts his foot in front of Joshua's skate, and then places the hand on the back, forcing him over it as Joshua is trying to stop with his other skate. Imagine how many people will get blown up by Zadorov, and he could make contact two seconds before the puck arrives. - Well, he went two seconds before the puck arrives. - But also, like, okay, what is contact? Because you're allowed to place the hand on the guy's back. - It's, are you pushing through it? Like, you can't legislate contact out of the game. - It's a coming together. - Yeah. - That's what it was to me. And you know, it's a feather touched by Heiskinen, and then he clips his skate, and it looks far more nefarious than I think it actually is. - Yeah, yeah. And but thankfully, he was all right. He was all right. Michelle Texan, it says, "My heart sang when Blue Girl took the penalty, and the power played truly a disaster, makes no sense that the coaches can't figure this out, really disappointing to see all that evaporate when it's a 1-1 game late. Sometimes it's a hard to stay upbeat as a fan. Oh, chin up, Michelle. It's all right. I mean, the Canucks, yes, it's hard. - Your heart's gonna be in your throat, and your heart's gonna sink a lot. Nine games from now. - But it's also been, like, it's one of those seasons I get. Like, you're 73 games in, and it's been a good year. They've lost a couple of games in a role. We mentioned, you know, on the standings and everything. It can be a little bit problematic with other teams nipping out their heels at the top of the division and everything. But it's, you know, it's been a good year overall. You know, it's hard to stay upbeat the last few years. I'll give you that much, that's for sure. - But on that penalty, the thing we didn't mention is, yeah, Rick Taco was pretty eager to mention careless penalties and things that happened with three minutes to go and all these things. - Yeah, I mean, you know, Blueger got called for high stick. He's mentioned those stick in fractions. He was at a high sticking call earlier in the game too, and he's mentioned that quite a bit. Like, being controlled with your stick, be very aware of what you're doing. And with three minutes to go on the game, it's just a really bad penalty to take. - As a textor says, coach, Tor, Blueger, a new one without saying so. - Yeah, I thought that's a good observation. JT Miller, it's a long goal for the Vancouver Canucks. And I just hear his thoughts after a 3-1 loss against a Dallas Stars, here is the Canucks leader JT Miller. - Yeah, it was a hard-fought game. At the end of the day, they were probably able to execute on their special teams a little better than we were. - Is discipline something you guys can get back from? - No, I don't know. I mean, we got our chances in the power play too. I don't think we're getting to the inside enough, you know, myself, you know, I'm not, you know, it's not really creating or driving play right now for me. So I need to be better. And as a leader on the team, I hold myself to a higher standard than that. I mean, I feel like I'm wanting to down a lot. - Is it frustrating to be feeling like that at this point this isn't? - No, it's expected. I mean, at every game supposed to be hard, we talked about being in one goal games the rest of the way. And they have been the last couple of weeks and playing playoff teams, and they're all basically comes down to special teams, which is how it works and they play up sometimes. - How about the power play? What did you... - We had a couple of looks, but honestly, I just, not enough, not good enough. Not enough momentum for the group. We're not getting any loose pucks back. Just feel like we're playing slow. And, you know, they give us a little different luck than probably the preschool suggested today. And they just don't think we responded very well. We had a couple of looks, but we need a cap. Like, we just need one right there, you know, going into the third. - Speaking of momentum, I'm sure you were hoping you were going to harness it with your whole nice play by Garley to get you the puck there. - Yeah, it was kind of a weird second period. I think I had like one, five, one, five shifts with my line mates. So, kind of hard for everybody to get into the game like that, but heck, we'll play by hand. And I think it was like a moving screen. So, it's nice. - That is J.T. Miller post-game. Interesting comment. He said, the stars did something different than what our pre-scout suggested, which shouldn't be overly surprising this time of the year. This could be a match-up down. The playoffs at some point. - Teams are going to make adjustments. - Teams are going to make adjustments. They know how you play. They know how they play too, and how they may have to give you some different wrinkles from time to time. And that's something that's, hey, listen, you can always game, but you can't game plan for something that you haven't seen from a team. You can only game plan what you've seen, what you see on tape and all those sort of things. But it just kind of made me think a little bit too that for as much as we talk about, this is a young team. Oh, not a young team. A team that doesn't have a lot of experience this time of the season, of course, right? And not a lot of playoff experience. And people are wondering if they are battle-tested enough even for the postseason and all that. It's also the first time Rick talked as a head coach has been in a situation like this as a head coach, where a team is looking to win the division, win the conference potentially. Teams coming after you, how you adjust against all sort of things. And I'm not saying he's done a poor job in coaching staff. They have done a good job. But maybe just kind of think a little bit of that. You know, they're also kind of doing this for the first time as a coaching staff. Yeah, this is all form for Rick Talkett too. And the only experience would be the bubble. Yeah. The little chase of there at the end. But in terms of regular season, absolutely. It's been a head coach of a team that's been in this high in the standings this late season. And we've talked about situationally some moments, right? The Colorado moment, the last 16, 22 minutes or sorry, the last 22 seconds of a period when Colorado gets that goal, is that a situational moment where you can put out Hughes and Ronik or Hughes and Susie? And you're talking about close out situations. Well, let's talk about that 1-1 PK in the moment there. And understandably, Lindhomes out, but it's Miller that goes out there for that play with Joshua, and it's Susie and Myers out there. 1-1, is Myers, again, these are the things, is Myers the guy you're putting out there in that spot? Yeah, no, I mean, the thing is, you have Zadorov, you had Cole, now Zadorov on the PK at times. I'm with you, I was a little surprised. Now, Susie's been so good. Yeah, Susie is the one I'm playing. You understand, you go left the end righty. What's interesting here is on the face off. Yeah. Susie's on the boards. And so when JT loses that face off, Susie's got to come back into the middle of the ice, but it's Susie on the right side, Myers on the left side. And so the face off alignment kind of got them mixed up. And now Povelsky kind of works Susie and slides that pass into Ben, but if you want your righty on your right side, your lefty on your left side, they get flipped. And it all starts from the face off alignment too. Yeah. So I mean, that's something interesting to kind of keep an eye on. And now with that play, I've been affected, perhaps, depending on where the sticks and whatever lane, they've been in a different lane on that point, but something to kind of keep an eye on. All right, we are going to get to Ian McIntyre who's going to join us, come up in a few minutes. But before we do that, let's get another Canucks player's thoughts after the game, the netminder. Casey this myth, I mean, only allowed two goals tonight. The Canucks still lose. And here is the Canucks netminder talking about what went right, but also what didn't go their way tonight. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. That's just kind of hockey. It's probably going to be the rest of the ways. The kind of hockey it is, you know, around the league right now, everybody just trying to buckle down and play the right way to do the right things. I thought we did that for most of the night. Obviously, special teams was the difference. What did you see or not see from the penalty kill time? I mean, that's a good unit they have. I thought we did a lot of good things. We had some in the second where we barely-- or they barely got it set up, you know? So we did a lot of good things out of penalty kill. Obviously, just a couple of let downs here and there. But, you know, nothing to worry about. Did you guys take confidence from holding them off the board at five on five? Yeah, definitely. That's a good team that puts up a lot of goals. And the fact that we held them to two and both were on the power play, I think that says a lot about how we played. On the first one, the coaches review in real time. They probably get a look at it, but if you see the highlight, what about what is that long in the way? So fingers crossed that it's going to go your way? Yeah, I didn't see the replay till after they called it a goal. That was really close. I thought we probably could have gotten the balance on that one. I thought we were going to. But, you know, this was close. The second goal that you've been felt like you-- I don't think you've just shot any less hard. So the day that you did it under for the end? It was a tough play for me. It was hard to see the release, too. It was right behind the D-Man. You know, maybe just be a little bit more aggressive on it, coming off the post, just kind of sell out a little bit more on that play. Big maybe. You never know. But, yeah, good shot for sure. Far side or good love is good player. That is Casey the Smith after the game. It talks about, you know, a couple good players scoring goals. Jamie's Ben gets the game winner. And he talks about how he felt, you know, overall, defensively they connected some good things in this game. You know, they only held Dallas the two goals. The third one, obviously, an empty netter. Five on five. There was not much going on for the stars in terms of creating actual goals, right? They had a few chances, obviously, pretty close to the make. We were Canucks five on five tonight. But overall, special teams was a difference. And, you know, the Canucks find a way to win this hockey game. We have a different conversation about how they played five on five. It's like, hey, like, yeah, five on five is pretty tight, but they allowed nothing against the Dallas stars. It's a high-powered five-on-five hockey team. So the margins can be very, very fine. And, you know, the game gets decided on special... Like, again, it comes down to special teams. Like, I know we sound like a broken record now by the time we got to this stage of the post-game show here tonight. But that's a difference. It's a two-one hockey game. You take a penalty, lay the bad penalty. And next thing you know, it's 0-1-1 and next thing you know, it's 2-1. And, you know, from that point on, the Canucks just weren't able to really generate enough when they pulled their goalie to be able to really get that tying goal. So there are some good, obviously, there are a lot of good things I thought the Canucks did in this game. But when it matters, just not good enough. I actually want to clean some stuff up, too, because we got a text earlier talking about Patterson against... Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. So against the seven playoff teams, so far this season, it's 19 games played with 17 points. Now, some people are going to say, "Well, it's Edmonton early in the season. Nashville earlier in the season before Nashville became good." Oh, for the sake of that, we'll pick and choose our stats here. In the games, the game's Colorado, Dallas, LA, Vegas, Winnipeg. So we removed the two big outliers. It's 13 games in five points. Now, again, we're cherry-picking because we've removed 12 points in six games, but for the people I want to find a narrative. So how many points? In the game's games, Colorado, Dallas, LA, Vegas, and Winnipeg, it's 13 games, five points. Yeah, so those games, obviously, it's got to be a little bit better. And in terms of where the team itself is, this person texted and says, "Let's see, there are 500 or just above "since the Ulster game, and half their wins "they have been against non-play-off teams." When I gained some of the playoff teams, it's been tougher, but they also have beat some playoff teams in this stretch, and have a few more tough games coming up before the end of the season. Now, before we get to all that, it's time to bring in the man we call the triple threat to close this one out. You watch him on TV, you read him on digital, and you're about to hear him on radio. He is Ian McIntyre. I don't know if I'm worthy of music tonight showing up late. Oh, it's all good. We're on a tighter clock tonight, so I don't know what make it work. What is going on? You're riding, you're on a deadline, what are you going to do? I am on a deadline, and the post-game avails don't get me started, but it's just a lot different than it used to be. I used to be able to get in and out of the dressing room in five minutes and talk to three guys, and now some nights, the five minutes, no one has even showed up yet. No, it takes a while nowadays. Yeah. It's a bit more like a days ago. Mind you, a game like tonight, we ask a lot of questions, we always do, but there really wasn't much mystery to it. Specialties. Yeah. Well, you can't take five penalties. You can't let the other teams score twice. They had-- it looked like a suspect call go against them, but stuff happens, but that was the difference. One team scored twice, five on four, and one's six on five. The other team scored once at five on five. That was it. Yeah. No, and five on five, it was a pretty even game. There's a lot there between them, but does the power play become a concern? Bick, what's their percentage again since the all-star break? 14. 14%. 14.5%. Yeah, it's a concern, but it's been a concern, I think, since November, like if you go back to November and factoring and maybe you can do that while I'm talking, because I know you're incredibly talented. Sorry, what am I factoring it since November? Yeah, if you go back to their peaks, like November 15th or so. I would say they're about like 18% since then, but we'll see if Bick is right. Yeah, Bick's fantastic. Bottom half of the league, I would say, certainly no better than middle of the pack. And we know that they should be better because of the personnel that they have. Like if you were trying to drop a power plane, sure, you'd like McDavid in Dreycidal and Stamco's and Kucharov and what are we missing? A defenseman, I guess, McCar, or Hughes. Or Hughes, because he's a world-class playmaker. You would like that, but without that, having Hughes and Patterson and Miller and Besser and just needing to find a fifth is pretty good. But I don't think their failure to settle on a fifth is an excuse for the other four guys to be underperforming the way that they are on the power play. And we talk about this all the time, and I say from November, because really we've been talking about this for a long time. Like, why isn't the power play better? And they've kind of tried different formations. We've seen personnel change a little bit. There was that spell of what, three or four games, where they tried to go with two units, and that really, really didn't work. But the top four guys are obvious. And then, OK, do you-- I mean, if Lindholm was healthy, he'd probably be the fifth if it-- or you could go with Ronik. But in the end, it's up to those guys to make plays. And right now, and for a lot of the last while, they haven't made plays. I thought the power play had zone time, but it didn't necessarily look dangerous. Some of the games recently where they haven't scored, it has looked dangerous. But tonight, it just looked awfully static again. And JT said, it felt like they were playing slowly. Well, they were. They were. You have to move the puck or your body. And preferably both. It was a lot of rotation, a lot of players creating and skating into space that was the success for that Crackerjack first month of the power play. But so often, when it has struggled, it just gets so static of guys on an island. And it's not good not to be moving. It's not good not to be moving the puck quickly. And when you're not doing either, you have zero chance in this league. Teams are just coached too well. The goal tending is too good. They will happily let JT and Pedersen have the puck over at the sideboards. They'll happily let Quinn walk the blue line as long as they have a responsible forward in front of them. But you have to attack. And you have to put them under duress. And that's where this group fails. Too often, it's just around the perimeter. And they're really not causing much of a problem for the defending team. Since November 15, they are 20th. So bottom half, as you suggest. Sat, what number did you say? You said 18%, would you like me to round up or down? Well, let's play a little prices right here. Round down, yeah. Was it 18.5? Oh, it's 18.6. Wow. So as I said, 18, some person-- To be fair, you'd have to round up. I know, but I'm just-- You're trying to help your partner. It's the Monty Hall problem, you know. Trying to design the game to my advantage. Well, I mean, Fast, Eddie Gregory also did some math. And he says, since December 1, there's 17.6. So it's mid-November on. The power play's been mid-ly, at best. And that's a problem for a team that-- And listen, things can change in the postseason. For San Jose, since that same stretch, is that 22%. Wow. San Jose. It's especially a problem when you're letting the other power play score. Like, you can be-- and Ellie won a cup this way. I think the King's first cup, their power-- I don't know where it was, but it was dreadful. But their penalty killing was really good as well. And in the end, they were so good at 5 on 5, they were able to overcome this glaring deficiency. The Canucks don't necessarily have to have a great power play to win. That's been one of the-- among the many surprising developments this year, that's one of them. Because we all thought at the start of the year, OK, maybe they can be middle of the road 5 on 5. But boy, they're going to need that power play to be elite, to make up-- you know, if they're going to be a superior team, it's going to have to be because of the power play and the goal tending. It's not going to be the 5 on 5 play. Well, now they're actually, especially since the All-Star break, been one of the best 5 on 5 teams in the NHL at controlling shots. They're the best team in the NHL at preventing shots during that time. But if you're going to have a two goal deficit on special teams it doesn't matter, you know? So either the penalty killing has got to be good, or the power play has to be good. But you can't have both. You can't have both bad. It is a little bit. I would say the power play is a little more disconcerting than the penalty kill because of the talent and because the length of time that this has been an issue. You know, the penalty kill, for the most part, big picture, macro view is trending the right way. If you own stock in the penalty kill, you'd feel good about next week and the week after because it's kind of going the right way. But the penalty kill is not. No, the power play really hasn't. No, sorry, the power play. Absolutely. But we have to leave it there tonight, have to wrap things up. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't give you more time. Hey, I'm all yours on Sunday. We have more time on Sunday. It's going to be fantastic. It's an earlier start. It's going to be about 30. Yeah, noon 30, 1230 puck drop against the Anaheim Ducks. Do you want me to do the whole post game show? If you want. I'll give you the chance. Could you guys write a thousand word, call them for me? I mean, I could write thousand word. I have confidence in writing a thousand words. I don't know how good it would be. Could we just transcribe the post game show and just pick and shoot? Sometimes I wish I could do that, like, because I come on here typically after I've filed, like tonight, and we talk about stuff and I think, yeah, I could have made that a point. That could have been a point. Of course, I wouldn't credit you guys. I don't need to. Oh, we don't credit you guys. You're very smart. Well, I don't know about that, but I feel ennobled in your presence. This is making me a better human being. Ennobled. He just comes up with better words. It's just him flexing on us. I'm going to start using that tomorrow and be like, wow, where'd you hear that? It's like, oh, I just thought of it myself. I'm not going to give you an credit. I'm not going to tell you. All right. Ian, I look forward to reading your latest on sportsnet.ca. Fantastic work, as always. We look forward to chatting with you on Sunday. Thanks to Big Nizar. Thanks to Lena. Thanks to Lina. We'll be right back at the station. I'm Satyar Shah. 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