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Today, I've got the pleasure of sitting down with Matt Tyler, who's an avid traditional bow hunter, a man of faith, husband and father, and host of the Inside 20 podcast. Matt, how are you, buddy? - Doing great, doing really good. Thanks for having me on. - Yeah, man, thanks for joining, it's a pleasure. I mean, we've talked off and on, you know, I think before this, you know, we even started up the bowyear podcast and I was already picking your brain on how to run a smooth show and a smooth operation because I'm a voracious consumer of your guys' message that comes out. And I've just been a big fan of the message you guys send and illustrate, it's very candid and transparent. I know I've had a few buddies that have been on your show as well and I, you know, they've all spoken super highly of you and everything else. And I figured, you know, this is a good selfish reason for me to get you on here to have a one-on-one conversation. - I'm excited about it. I really am. I was really excited when you've reached out and when you started talking about doing your own podcast, it's what we need. We need more people that are willing to spend the time to share about traditional archery and get people on that'll share their stories and why they love it so much. Especially right now, I think there's a really big uptick and more and more people that are curious about it and want to try it. And if there's more content and knowledge and people to encourage them, people they don't even know, the more likely it is for the stick for them and then to pursue that passion. - I've mentioned that in the past a little bit. It's like our next generation of people are probably not gonna be people with as much grit, which means what we have to do instead of like downgrading that is actually maybe reduce or limit the barrier to entry instead of always being a good old boys club that you've gotta be in the know to get into and instead of open the doors wide with information and welcome and open hearts and get people in here. And that's very passive recruitment, right? Is to just make it an open dialogue and an open culture and people want to come in and they feel welcome from day one, right? Typically, I think in the traditional archery community, there's not like a, people aren't necessarily looking down their noses because you don't have the latest greatest bow that's quite the opposite where if you've got a classic old bow that your granddad passed down to you, that's something that receives accolades, right? - That's exactly right. Yeah, I agree 100%. We've talked about that some just in my close group of friends and people that have gotten into it. I think more and more people that are currently either been doing it for some time or maybe they have a platform where they're trying to share knowledge. Like the last thing that you want to do is for somebody brand new to see that you don't agree with one method because it just doesn't work for you and you don't feel like anybody else should try that method, it could work for somebody else. And because they're different body makeup or maybe their brain is wired differently, it doesn't matter. You can shoot instinctive or shoot a crawl or shoot an ILF rig or shoot a self bow that you build. It doesn't matter. You can start wherever and that's what's special about it and it should be special and unique is that everybody has their own story and journey and at the end of the day, there's different types of ways that you can approach it. That's what makes it fun and we should encourage more and more people to get into it because at the end of the day, if you look at all the hunters out there that bio license every year and go to the woods, we're a minute percentage of that overall, a number of how many people are taking a traditional bow in the woods on a regular basis. - Yes, sir. And I can tell you're a professional 'cause that you laid out a perfect segue to talk about your own personal journey and how you got into this. Could you give us a little bit of your origin story, your upbringing? I know you've got that Georgia draw in there and then transitioned to how when you start picking up a trad bow and how we got to where we are today. - Yeah, we'll love to do that. So I'm from born and raised in the Piedmont region of Georgia. I've been here for most of my life. I've moved since I've been married and had a little girl about 45 minutes west further west of where I grew up. I grew up, did not grow up with a dad or anybody in my immediate family that truly loved to hunt and bow hunt specifically. Luckily for me, I had an uncle that really loved to bird hunt, specifically quill hunt and dove hunt. And so he took me my first time when I was about nine years old and my first dove hunt. And after that, I was hooked. I couldn't get enough of it. And luckily for me, I had some friends that their dads deer hunted, whether that be with a rifle or a bow. And so I really started putting pressure on my dad to take me. And so I killed my first deer with a rifle when I was about 11 years old. So probably a little bit older than a lot of my buddies. They were a lot younger than me and then continued to put pressure on him to take me and continue to have opportunities. And luckily got a lot of selfless friends over the years and their dads were willing to pour to me and take me because my dad just really didn't have a true passion for it. I grew up playing baseball. I played baseball since I was about four years old and played it competitively all the way through two years of college until I got hurt. But for me, I loved baseball. It was definitely a passion for me, but like my true passion if I had to choose anything and just one thing to do that would be hunting. It was even got to the point when I was competitively playing towards my end of my career in high school and was trying to figure out where I was gonna go to college. I wanted to take time off of either working out or practicing or getting ready for an upcoming season and wanted to hunt. And my dad was like, well, you got the rest of your life to hunt. You need to focus on baseball right now. And it was one of those, it was for me, it was just, it was a tear between that sport and really became a job into my college career, which is what it's like for most people to the point to where it's like, if I had my free time, I was gonna hunt fish to grown up. I enjoyed doing that, enjoyed bass fishing. Luckily where I live, we have a lot of different ponds and reservoirs that have some pretty good bass fishing and crappy fishing. So I got to do that. I had a grandfather that enjoyed fishing. And so got exposed to that with him at an early age. And then just really at about 12 years old, I decided, hey, I want to bow hunt. I want to get a bow. And so I had a grandmother that graciously bought me a compound bow when I was 12 years old. And I remember that fall, I actually missed my first really nice deer, a nice eight point with that bow. And I cried like a little baby, I was so distraught. I was so upset, but at that point, I realized that, man, this is for me, that I didn't want to quit and I wanted to keep pushing. And I eventually found success with the compound. And then did that for a while and loved it. And it was a lot of fun and continued to hunt with the compound and got the point to where that was the only thing that I was hunting with. And just loved bow hunt and loved everything about it. I had a couple of really close buddies. They were the same way. And then eventually when I was in college, I decided after being inspired on a hunting channel, Larry D. Jones, who, and I told that story recently on a podcast with him, but he had a show on the hunting channel and I saw him shoot a deer with a traditional bow. I was like, I've got to do that, I've got to do that. As God would have it in faith, I truly believe that's what it was. I went on G-O-N, which is George Outdoor News, and we have a swapping cell trade and you can buy anything used on there. And I just went on there and just so happens to find, found a bow that was in the price range as a recurve. I didn't know anything about anything traditional at all. And so I reached out to that guy and that guy happened to be Dindy Krummer. And I know you're good friends with a couple of the guys from the traditional bow hunters of Georgia. If anybody listens to this and I know most people do follow Robert Carter or James Wood. They put a lot of content out on social media and YouTube specifically. This guy, Dindy Krummer, is not big on social media. He's cut from the same cloth. He's been hunting with traditional bow for over 20 years. He's just a good-hearted man. He's super selfless. I'm just willing to pour into complete strangers what he did for me. And he finds successful the traditional bow year after year. Makes it look easy, being honest with you. And so this guy, random guy that I was buying this bow from, this started spending a lot of time with me on the phone at either the point where he was sending me batches of arrows for free for this bow. He sent me a glove. He was talking me through like shooting process and trying to figure out what would work good for me and how I would want to shoot with that B-split finger of three under. And he right off the bat, I remember like it was yesterday. I think I'd had that bow for maybe a few weeks and I was just so engulfed with it with shooting it often. He told me, he said, "Hey, why don't you sell your compound?" I hadn't even hunted with it yet. And for me, when he said that, I just first, from my response, that doesn't make any sense. Why would I do that? I need to get proficient of just to kill one animal. That's all I want to do with this. I just want to kill one animal with it. Maybe a doe and then I'll be happy. I'll have accomplished my goal. But I don't know, maybe it's my personality. When he challenged me to do that for whatever reason, I decided after probably a couple of days of chewing on it that I was going to do that. And so I sold that compound bow and didn't look back. I had taken that bow in the woods the following year. That was, I think that was cooked towards like maybe the middle of the year season when I had bought the bow from him. And I just didn't feel confident enough to take it to the woods. And so I waited to the following year and I took it. And I think I killed five deer that year with that bow. And I know, I say that not to anybody that listens to this to say, hey, your first full year of taking the woods, you should be able to accomplish this. It's not the case. Everybody's story is different. Everybody's situation is different. It's all perspective. Everything falls into a different category. And for me, I was just blessed with a lot of opportunities. A hundred, a lot of suburban areas have grown up in that part of the state and get to hunt areas with high deer population, large deer density numbers. And really you get a lot of opportunities if you approach places correctly. And I do think too, for me, haven't been hunting with a compound strictly for a while. It really gave me a good mindset and a good starting foundation to figure out how I need to set up and the same approach. I've changed a lot of my approach since then after I've been now hunting with a traditional bow for over a decade strictly. And really, I think you, and I've said this to a lot of guys that get into it now. I think you run off the bat. If you give it a little bit of time, even a one season, you'll become a better hunter taking it to the woods, especially if you're just taking that with you to the woods and in your series about it. And so for me, really, at the end of the day, I've done that, a little bit of personal as backstory. For me, I met my wife. After college, my wife's a teacher. My wife is super supportive of me. I think before we started dating, somebody told her that if you start dating this guy, he loves to hunt, he's obsessed with it. Just be a heads up about that. And she's quickly learned that's the case. And for me, I've been hunting with a traditional bow and have had some tough seasons. She has truly shown up as a selfless spouse and continues to do that and supports me in those hard seasons and is there to celebrate with me when it goes my way. I'm super grateful for that. I think that's important too for somebody that is choosing a more difficult method. If you have somebody like a support system, it'll have to be a spouse or even a girlfriend. It can be just friends, just buddies that will encourage you and push you to continue to this continue to challenge yourself. And to me, it is a perfect example of what life is truly about. It really is like life is tough. If you haven't gone through anything challenging in life, it's just a matter of time. And everybody goes through different challenges and everybody struggles with different things in this world. And for me, that traditional bow is a perfect example of that. I've been asked, why do you want to make this a difficult in yourself? I think it makes you stronger, mentally stronger, to approach other things in life that you're going to have to eventually go through. And that's what I love about it. And I love when you find success, there's no better sense of reward to me than it is with a traditional bow. And so at the end of the day, that's a little bit wild. I love it and I'll continue to hunt with it as long as I'm physically able to draw a bow back. There's no turning back. I often get asked whether I'm hunting on an out-of-state trip or I'm going on a big hunt, are you going to take something or you can take a rifle with you as a backup or compound bow? And if I can't get it done with traditional bow, I have no desire to do it at this point in my life. And so I don't know, I think I'll probably take that to me. Take that with me to my grave. Maybe it's just being hard-headed or maybe it's just because I'm super passionate about it. But I absolutely love it. I've got a, say this, I've got a four-year-old little girl. She'll be five in a September. And one of the most amazing hunts happened this past year with her. And I was able to take her on three different deer hunts and on the third deer hunt. She was with me and Tim, who's also a part of our podcast. And we killed a doe and an old barn and she was sitting there right beside me. And we got it on film. And so for me, that was absolutely amazing. We saw a ton of deer that day. Actually, that hunt we got on film, we'll put on YouTube probably in the coming months. I know that the push put a version of that on YouTube towards the end of last year. So anybody that likes to watch hunting videos on YouTube, you can check that out. But man, it was a doe, but man, it might as well have been a world-class animal. To me, that's what it was, just because I got to do that with her and she got really fired up and excited about it. I know one day that could fade, but for me, like getting her involved in it, like the message that I want to paint for everybody is that it doesn't matter how old your kid is, it doesn't matter if they're a little boy or a little girl, they want to just spend time with you and you give it an opportunity and just try it. You never know how it'll go, it can work out. And I just don't think that you can say that traditional bow is limiting. Now in certain settings it is, we had the right setup and it worked out. But for me, I just want to paint that message with that hunt and that story. It's just super special. - Man, that's beautiful, see, you got that dough with your trad bow, with your gutter? - I do, yes, you was sitting right next to us. - Yeah, that's pretty, yeah. - That's impressive. I still haven't gotten a critter with the bow with my kids yet, which I think one, I think that's beautiful. I had not seen that video on the push, but I look forward to you. You're publishing that as well, and we'll get into your YouTube stuff too. But then my boys just turned 11 and nine in August, so just within the last couple of weeks, and both August babies. But last year, my eight-year-old was with me, now nine, it was eight at the time, and we got a deer together. And then the year previously, my eldest, we got a couple of doughs together, but that was with rifle. I mean, it was still pure magic, man. None of them were big, they were all dope, but pure magic. I love it, and then it's awesome. And I think July, I took my eldest to Wayland, and we went down to Florida, and we went pig hunting, and he got his first animal. He got a big 125-pound boar hog down there, and it was great, it was a little suppressed, 223, and it was about as quiet as a mouse fart and low recoil, and he had a great time. And in fact, man, it was such a good time, he actually said we actually cooked up a little bit of like an Asian barbecue with that, some of that pork meat tonight, where you've made pork loin on the grill for supper, and he's super proud that he gets to announce, "Oh, this is my pig," just so we're clear. - That's so special. They all remember that forever. I remember hunts when I was a little boy with my uncle, and even when I was a pre-teamed, like my dad taken me, and I remember vivid details. I know you do too, and it doesn't matter what you take with you. I will definitely be taking a gun or some other sort of weapon with me when Emma's ready to shoot something, because for me, just being able to see her and find success and giving her that opportunity is there's nothing like it is so rewarding to be able to do that with your kids. And I've heard that for a long time. I've heard people say that, and a lot of people talk about that. I just never really could see that, even as a dad with a young little girl, I just didn't, I was like, okay, maybe yes, but now after experiencing that and getting to take her with me and seeing her get excited, even the hunts that we didn't kill anything, where she just saw deer, it was special. - If they see deer or they're counting, leave lift up, we kick up leaves and see a salamander, or night propellers, or whatever, or squirrels, or any of that stuff. Birds land right next to us when we're in a tree stand and they don't know we're there at the time. Those things are all really impressive for kids. In contrast, it's like fishing, right? Like, when I take my kids fishing, we're catching fish. It's the coolest thing on the planet. If we're not catching fish, fishing is dumb. - So I get both sides of the spectrum, but it's rainbows and unicorns until it's not. - That's right. - And I feel that way sometimes too, though, as an adult, I don't fall for that. - Brother, I was in Manitoba last week or the week before and the first night sit, it was like, "I've been told about all these bears up there "and all this stuff by guys that went up there in the spring "and seeing like nine, 10, 12 bears at night." And I'd been in the stand for seven hours and I hadn't seen a thing. And I was just like, "Man, I'm not like, "I'm not the best tree stand sitter, "the guys that like sit all day for 12 hours or..." - Yeah, you gotta be dedicated. That was an awesome, very kill too. - Thanks, man. Thanks a lot, I appreciate it. But I tell you, I'm one of those guys that like, I'll get out at 10 and then I'll still hunt for a few hours. And I will slow walk as slow as I need to go, but man, sitting down in the stand for a morning through an evening citizen is really not my thing. I guess there are people that are, that's why there are some people that are way more successful white donors than me that do it. But you do even just that. So I get it. I'd better take a book or something like that with me a lot of times. - That's the hardest sit there for hours. Yeah, that's tough. I think that's important too with kids and what I've experienced so far is trying to pick good days. That's what I did with her. And obviously we were blessed pretty early on and she didn't have to put a ton of time in the seat to make it happen, but trying to pick good days, having snacks, having something for them to watch and look at, even have, that's great to do. We had a little, like an almost like an iPad, like the second hunt and she got to look at that. But also too, what I realized is that if you can pick, depending on if your child is a morning kid, likes to get up super early, or if your child is one that's a little bit more attentive in the afternoon, obviously it's hit or miss, depending on how old they are and what happened during that day. But if you can hit it to where you try to show up right before you think maybe the deer are gonna get there, whatever is your hunt and try to shorten that length of that weight, especially early on, it increases their app. - That's a really great point 'cause I wanna be out there in the stand at five 30, right? Sometimes five, but with the kids, that's an hour and a half of darkness when it was. - Yes, Tom. - Sometimes it's good for them, if we say for ground hunting, we can sit down in the face of a tree and they can just, he can sit in my lap and take a nap until the sun comes up. But in the evening, if you're getting there at two, for example, in prime times, not till five 30, that's a lot of boredom in the afternoon. - Yeah, it is. - Sometimes you gotta suck it up and maybe get in there at four 30. - Yeah, yeah, weather plays a big part of that too. - Sure. - Like for us, we took her, or I took her late season, super late season. It's cooler, afternoons are cooler, in the Southeast this that you typically don't start cooling off consistently until late November, December, even then. I know Christmas morning in the past, it's been 70 degrees on Christmas. - Yeah. - And so you, the later the better to me. And not too cold though, it can't be frigid 'cause then they're miserable then too. So that's important like nowadays. - Have you put her in like a ground blind at all? - Yeah, so that's what we did. We hunted in a ground blind for the first two sits and then after we got busted on the second sit, she couldn't see well, so she was sitting really low in that specific ground blind. And so when I saw the deer, I tapped her and tried to get her attention and she couldn't see. Of course, her natural reaction is I wanna stand up and see because of this opportunity. And then at that point, when they're real close, like within 15 yards over with, and that didn't work out. And so thankfully, the setup that we, that ended up choosing, I've got a really good friend that has a property really close to us, which has another convenient factor is how close is it to your house, right? Because if the things go south, you need to be able to not spend four hours in the car trying to get home, that's a bad experience. So it was locally, it was close. And there's an old barn there and they had a hayloft above that old barn and I had to go in there and make some modifications as the floor was rotted out and then they had some pass throughs. I don't know if you ever seen that to where they store hay up top and then they can throw it down. And so I had to obviously board that up. It wasn't very safe for a four year old to be up there and you drop out two stories that would be bad. So we did that and then we blocked off the back pass through so that it was darked out. So when she was sitting up there with dark clothes, we wouldn't get skyline. And it just, it filled with the buddy that let me go over there and hunt, it was a pastor. He said, man, there's deer out there and pretty much every evening you can drive by it in the road and you can see them this time of year. And then we did and when we went up there that afternoon, there was books out there in the back corner like rubbing horns together. We got that on film and there was a bunch of those, two different groups of those that came in and they came in there and we got a really close shot and it was good lighting, it wasn't last light. So that was really special. She got to see that but it's funny because we had a second angle like a GoPro looking at us and you can hear it in the footage but the whole time she's saying, shoot daddy, shoot, shoot the deer, shoot the deer right there. We're about to get busted. This is not going to work out. She's shooting anyway, Lord willing they didn't put whatever reason it bust out of there. So pretty special. - Man, that is awesome. I recall the days when momma are a little bit smaller and we sat in a ground blind and there was, you think couldn't see out the window. So they're sitting down there and they're playing with their little dinosaur toys or whatever, a tablet or something. Man, I'd have to like nudge them with a toe or tap them and say, hey, there's something coming up. If you can move slow, you can slowly get on my lap or stand here or whatever, but if you can't just lay flat so your arm gets even, there's always going to be a pile of leaves inside there or something else that they want to scoot around and kick. But now they're old enough, again, at 9 and 11 to where they sit in a camp chair and they're with me. And they can see over and watch them and things of that nature. But I reckon my 11 year old will probably take him out with a rifle a little bit this year. And then I think we're probably two years out for him to be able to draw back like a 40 pound trad bow. He's lanky. So I think we're probably a solid two years out from that, but it's awesome. And you're talking to folks like Monty Browning and Brian Burkhardt and Chris Guadas and some of these other folks to talk about like plum craycans and stuff like that. Like the, I really look forward to stuff like that because he meant got to meet Monty at Utah. - That's great. - That would be so cool, you know. - Yeah, man, but it is, man. Me and a husband and father is my favorite thing in the world and being able to share hunting and just generally like nature and the outdoors with them is definitely it just takes the cake. So we're both very blessed. And that sounds like we both also married up. - Yeah, 100% yeah, very 100% man. - Yeah, hey, speaking of married up, I just pulled it up on my phone while you were chatting there. Episode 39 of the Inside 20 podcast, you have your lovely bride on there with you. And you guys talk about it. The title is Balancing Family as a Passionate Bow Hunter. And I wonder before that we were on the, we were recording, we talked about it briefly, but man, I just want to thank you for sharing some vulnerable moments between you and Addie, where you had struggles, where you're so, soly and admittedly like selfishly dedicated to hunting because I say that, I sell selfishly not to be belittling. I say it because I relate to it because it's my endeavor. And you did this thing and all of a sudden you guys are hitched and it's, oh, you're still doing this thing that takes up so much of your time. And I think I've experienced the same thing where the missus is, I'm a little lonely. I know you're home, but I'm a little lonely because all of a sudden it's hunting season. And I know people make jokes of having a, was it called like a hunting widow or something like that? And it's cute, it's a funny saying, but that's not really the home that I want to foster. And I'm not going to talk anymore about it other than, man, folks should listen to that because it's a great, it's a great listen and it came from starkly different perspectives that you and Addie posed, but ultimately found ways to communicate and balance that time. - Yeah, I appreciate you highlighting that. And I'll be honest, I know we didn't share this on the episode, but I had, I don't know what, I think maybe God's speaking to me, maybe it's just our experience, but I just had this idea, I've had it for a while. And I brought it up to originally. And my wife personalities often are different, right? In a marriage, I've at least seen that with a lot of the couple of friends that we have, but I'm a little bit more extroverted and then my wife's a little bit more introverted. And for me too, from a professional standpoint, I've been forced to have to do a lot of public speaking, see it come full with that. And then the podcast obviously plays into that, working that muscle. And so when I asked her, she was real hesitant to get on there and do it. And I told her, I said, here's a deal, I want you just to be bluntly honest. Like I want us to be honest and talk about it. I want you to talk about it from your side and I'll talk about it from my side. And obviously, I know where she's gonna come from because we've discussed it and we've worked it out and you have to have open communication with this spouse or any relationship for it to be successful. But I didn't know what we were gonna say. Like in front of that was scripted. We weren't right that down. We didn't like practice, we didn't rerecord. And that was just us talking about it from our side and going into it. It was just the goal from it was not to try to come across us. We've got it perfectly worked out. We're marriage counselors, but we know that we're not the only ones out there and anybody who's ever been a part of like couples life groups or Bible studies or they hang out with other couples. It's funny because in the moment, you feel like you're the only couple that deals with that. You're the rare two couple or two individuals that have that friction or that struggle in life. But you start talking to other people and you're like, oh, they deal with the same stuff. It's normal. - Very much. It's just, I think that what separates the JV from the varsity team is the ability to put pride aside and have that open communication and understand that the other person's feelings are valid whether you agree with them or not. Or else, hey, you're doing this. No, you might not be doing this, but that person feels that you're doing this. - Yeah. - You're like shoes and I'm an emerald counselor. Like this is all just trial and error. And if you tell your kids, you wonder, oh, they got a complaint. I'm like, look man, I've been doing this as long as you've been alive. Like we've been doing this parenthood thing for the exact same amount of time. So like give me some grace and I'll give you some grace. - That's right. That's right. I love it. - So yeah, no, man, that was beautiful. And I just see you again, appreciate you guys being vulnerable and disclosing and doing that. And I think a lot of folks that listen to it, they can say, okay, I get it. My partner is probably not being selfish right now. I probably just need to work on some communication and then we'll find our way to meet in the middle. And then the missus is happy. I'm happy. And we all sing kumbaya at the end of the day, right? - That's the goal. - Well, man, how did you transition into the podcast life? So you're 40 half as though it's published deep now. - That's funny. I would have never been the person to say, hey, I want to do a podcast. Never been the person to say that I want to start a really big social media page. I'll be honest with you. I don't even post really to my own social media. I just never really have been big on that. Stuff I post is usually about my wife or my family. And that's about it. Maybe if there's some kind of story that I have around a success, significant success in the woods, I might share that with a message behind it. But me and a few buddies, we were on a hunt and one of the buddies said, hey, have you ever thought about us doing a podcast? And at the time, I just had no desire to do that. And just said, no, I don't really think that would be something that would work or make sense. And then for whatever reason, we talked about it some more. And at that point in time, we felt like there was an opportunity for us to try to bring just other people to the traditional owners of Georgia, which is an organization we're a part of. And so we had a conversation with that leadership team and said, hey, we've got an idea. What if we started a podcast? And the slow reason behind it is to encourage people in a positive light to pursue traditional boat hunting. And then in return, try to grow traditional boat hunters in Georgia through like this channel. And traditional boat hunters in Georgia has been around since '92. And it typically has the way to reach people for years is through like email or through a newsletter or put on a gathering shoot in person. And so really like your reach is small in that light. And so the goal was to try to start something where you could reach people outside of that direct network and grow that from there. And I guess for me, what I've seen in my life is that God knows more what you need as far as being able to glorify Him. And that's ultimately the goal in our life and whatever we do is to find opportunities to bring people to know Him and share the good message around your salvation and try to explain to people where you have opportunity to spend eternity at. And so during the whole beginning stages of inside 20 and starting that, we decided from the get go that we were gonna publicize our faith from the very beginning. And so it felt like a good way to highlight that was to pray during an episode or share some type of message is faith-based or talk about a Bible verse or a devotion that really spoke to us when we were about to record that episode or during that week. And so from there, that's where it's grown. And thankfully we've got to add a lot of support from individuals that are selfless enough to come on as guests and share a lot of wisdom and experience that they have that we don't have and talk about their journeys. And we've also had a lot of support from individuals that are on social media that want to connect and follow us. And I'll say the probably the most motivating aspect around inside 20 and the efforts behind it has been individuals that have selflessly reached out to us via messenger and has stated how impactful an episode or that they're thankful that we're putting time into getting guests on or whatever it was that we might have talked about that really resonated with them as an individual. And so for us, that has ultimately been why we continue to do it. And so more since then. And so we each year leading up into the next year, we've decided we set goals. What do we want to accomplish going into the next year? What are our goals that we want to do as far as efforts outside of maybe the podcast? And then obviously guests, types of guests we get on. After the first year of doing the podcast, we felt like it would be wise to pursue some partners and really just to help them grow from the reach that we have on the podcast, but also to in return in hopes of people that follow them to maybe get connected to our podcast as well. And so we've thankfully we've had really great sponsors for the podcast and that's been super amazing blessing and they've just been loyal to us and continue to just support us in each aspect. And so we're super grateful for that. And so I would say this past year probably has taken more growth going into this year than the previous years. And so really our goal this coming up to this year was that we felt we could grow the podcast efforts through a new channel and that being YouTube. We have the desire last year, start filming some hunts. I was fortunate enough to get a couple of those hunts that we talked about on film. And so that was super amazing to be able to do that. And so really felt, hey, this is the next push for us is to- - Yeah, I got Sean in for a second there, man. You're being humble with it. Man, so I watched the pig hunt and then the most recent one, which was you got like a nice, like an eight point whitetail, beautiful setting, fall leaves are falling. You've got a buddy there with you that's in the stand right above your right. Just a great setting and a beautiful video and showing reverence to your bounty too. You know, you don't have to plug yourself here. I'll plug it because folks should check it out, check out the YouTube because I think it's a great celebration of the hunt, particularly using traditional kits. I was glad that you've, you know, I find it encouraging the selfishly. I'm happy that you've made that transition to include video media in addition to your audio side of the house. - Thanks, I appreciate that, I really do. It's definitely not. It's not something that doesn't take a lot of work. It does the filming part, it makes it obviously more difficult, but the editing size, what we've really been a challenge, such stretch for us on how to get good at editing. But I'm a believer that you can do anything that you set your mind to. There's obviously limitations and physical abilities, but if you have something you want to do, you set your mind to it. And as a team, Tim Chanel and Jake Reese are also involved in the Inside 20 podcast. It's not a solo effort on my end. Without those two guys, it definitely wouldn't continue to happen. We keep each other encouraged and really it continues to just to grow our relationships as friends, which comes first. We together as a trio are able to continue to pour into the different avenues. And ultimately, like the number one goal, and I stated this in the beginning, is to glorify God through this passion that we have. I think God puts passions in our hearts for a reason. And there's different ways for you to use it, to just do selfless things in this world, for other people to put God as a center focus and hopefully people find him through that and learn what it's all about as far as walking the side, the side God and having him in your life as a number one focal point. But then we want to make sure in that that we're encouraging people through the traditional archery because it's tough, like it's challenging. We've been through that, we talk about that a lot. Unfortunately, I think in a lot of cases and just anything that you see on social media, it's a highlight reel, right? It didn't have to be just hunting in general. Any social media, it's a highlight reel. And so oftentimes we get caught up and thinking there's only failure in my court and not for this guy or this girl that I'm seeing on social media. And so we want to openly talk about that and talk about when it doesn't go right and be honest about it and just let somebody out there know that the same struggle happens just to the average person and they can get through anything as long as they're persistent, as long as they keep putting effort towards it. And then another piece that has really, it's like a milestone or a big milestone for us this year. We had a goal last year that we would start a nonprofit and inside 20 be transitioned into a nonprofit. And the ultimate goal behind that is to really put any kind of revenue that we gain from selling branded merchandise or from any kind of the marketing side of inside 20 that we gain revenue from sponsorships or from just donations from individuals that we would focus on different ministries or other organizations foundations year to year. Right now is our goal. So this year we're focusing on the kids outdoors zone, which kids that don't have fathers in their life for whatever reason, get them plugged into the outdoors. And so we're partnering with them. So any of the funds that we received this year will go to that organization to continue to fund their efforts. And we'll do that through 2025. And then in 2026 probably a switch to another group and hopefully eventually we can sponsor multiple groups during a year. And so like for us man, it's not an avenue to make monetary income from. We have day jobs that we were used to provide for our family but at the end of the day, it's something for us to be able to use a passion that for whatever reason burns bright in our life and that we love to be able to do good work for him and for the glory of the kingdom as the ultimate goal. - Man, that's beautiful. Amen. I appreciate it. And I've also found unexpectedly, there are so many people of faith like devout overt faith in this traditional Irishman community. Am I the only one? I can't be the only one that has a perception. What are your thoughts? - I agree. Yeah, I really agree. We talk about this a lot about the community itself and how the majority of the community, I would say the 99.9% are selfless, good, hearted people. I don't know, I haven't taken a wide net and cast it to determine the majority of those that are true believers and that they know where they'll end up at the end of their life. But I do feel that the baseline of the individuals and what I've seen a large, larger portion of them are definitely believers and they're not scared to talk about that and how important that is to them. And it is a breath of fresh air, especially in the world that as a whole, that we currently live in, you see a lot of bad things that happen on a daily basis. There's a lot of crime, there's a lot of selfish acts, a lot of just sinful nature, which is what we are as human beings. And unfortunately, there's a portion of that in the hunting community. And it's all about number one. And for me, when am I gonna get my piece of pie? And if it doesn't benefit me and my end goal, then I have no desire to waste time on that. And you just don't, at the end of the day, you end up feeling empty with that goal and that mindset, whatever it is that you're doing in life. It's funny because the people that unfortunately are misled by why they're here and the energy they're putting towards themselves and not towards other people. If they try the other side of it and they end up doing something in a selfless act and not expecting anything in return, they feel this fulfillment in this joy that they've never felt before. And it carries a lot further than it does when they find self satisfaction and accomplishing one's one individual goal for them as an individual. So I just want people to hear the message that you can do anything you put your mind to. If you just try to focus on in any relationship or anything that you pursue in life of putting somebody else's needs first and trying to be a good selfless individual and glorifying God in that work. And the sky's the limit. Not saying you won't go through hard times, but it's the life that you live at the end of the day will be that much more rewarding and meaningful. - Yeah, brother, man, I could not agree more. And have you always been deeply steeped in your faith or is this something that came later in life? Could you give us at least a thank you on that? - Yeah, so I'm fortunate that I grew up in a home where my parents were very intentional about taking me and my younger sister to church and been in church since I was really young. I got baptized when I was eight, but I will say this that I have strayed from the path I have. And there's been seasons where I was just focused on myself and there are seasons to where you just, it was all about me and I wasn't gonna let anybody get in the way for that matter. And I think even once you get on the path to where you're trying to intentionally put God's work first and you're really trying to focus on doing good for other people and not putting yourself first. Like we still are human and we still slip up and you still find yourself focusing on using individual and we're all gonna be sinners for the rest of our lives. Like you wake up every day and you're gonna sin but that's what's beautiful about Jesus. He died on the cross for our sins and all those are forgiven. All the sins that you've ever committed no matter what it is, there's no comparison to this is worse than the other sin, it's all sin or in there are all the sins that you're ever gonna commit the rest of your life are forgiven. But for me, I have been through some things, I guess that maybe not everybody goes through or maybe how you go through later in life. I don't think I've ever shared this on a podcast for whatever reason, I just have never shared it. But when I was in my 20s, I ended up getting diagnosed with cancer and it's funny what something like that will do to you, it'll definitely change your perspective of what's important in life. And it's almost like a reset. You start realizing that just being outside when it's a nice day and the weather's nice, you're able to get outside and you get really good energy on that certain day that you're just happy to be alive and you're just thankful for the current state you're in. I have a mentality and a personality to where I like to accomplish things and I'm busy and I stay busy, I don't like sitting still, always feel like there's something that can be done. And so for me to go through something like that, it slows you down tremendously. Another thing that slows you down is having young children that'll slow you down when they're like babies, right? So anybody get to experience that piece of it too. But man, for me, it was the toughest season I've ever been through in my entire life. I had to go through chemo, three rounds of chemo, extensive chemo treatment, the whole nine yards, like losing hair, sick, all that good stuff. And man, I just people in my direct circle and my employer and my spouse who I was dating at the time, my family just showed up and we're selfless and we're there for me. And just surrounded me, the people at the hospital and the doctor's office that I was at were just selflessly pouring into me. And then the number one reason outside of all of that that got me through it was my fate and just leaning on God and just at that point in my life to where you're in your early 20s and you're just ready to take off and start doing adult, quote on world adult things and start your journey. Whether that be a career or passions or relationships, it just gets put on pause and you don't understand why. But in that point in time, I just knew as hard as it was that God had a reason and a plan for me and that he would get me through that. And there's a reason that we all go through different trials and tribulations no matter what it is, but for me, I think that was a point in my life to where I realized that you, no matter if you grew up in a church home or you have never been to church in your entire life, that there's a point in time to where you really got to focus on being the faithful servant to him and what you're doing in your life and continue to try to find ways to do that, to be able to be that person that serves him and glorifies him and be there for other people at the end of the day. That's why we're here. That's why we're on the surf and just anybody out there that here's that message, I'm right there with you. I've been through it. I understand, I understand how you feel right now that it just doesn't feel like you've been dealt a fair hand and that it wasn't God's doing in your life. And he didn't necessarily plan for this to happen to you and he's not punishing you, but in that season of your life, he's putting arm on you, he's making you stronger. He's preparing you to have a testimony that impacts and moves people. He's preparing you for maybe something tougher down the road. He's preparing you to be a better person. He's preparing you to be a better leader, a better spouse, better parent, it doesn't matter. But just know there's a reason you're going through that. You just got to keep faith and know that God has got his hand on you and the good and the bad. - Man, man, I'm like, I don't even have words right now, buddy, I am just stuttering. That was really beautiful, man, and very inspiring. And I know very much from the heart and I just want to say, yeah, I appreciate the witness that you're being, and I know I've chided in the past where I was like, man, you're a great witness and I know I am not that overt about it. And I can't explain why, but I am not, but you have a gift and a calling and you're taking it to its fullest extent. I just want to say I appreciate you. - It means a lot, you're saying that. Definitely not the amazing witness that many others are and continuously slip up in my day-to-day life. - We all do, brother. - Yeah, we're always will, but at the end of the day, what we've just got to do is we've got to be more intentional about what we're focusing our thoughts on, where we're spending our time, how we're prioritizing, what in our life should be a priority. And at the end of the day, like if there's opportunity to continue to be there for other people and just show up, just be there. It's in a friendly text, send somebody a text message or an email. It doesn't matter, just show up and just be present and that's what people need in this world, especially in the, in just the current state of the world right now. - Man, I'm with you. I've talked about it a little bit on the podcast before. I came from military background and then I worked for another 10 years in government and I basically just did the same thing for Uncle Sam, but I got to grow a beard later on. And there are a lot of friends of mine that I've spent much of my adult life when going to the less savory places of the world and experiencing equally as unfavorable conditions and events. And a lot of us now, I think that the army or something, I was in the Marine Corps, but the army or somebody, one of the branches has like some fruit fruit names, like a buddy check, let's do a buddy check and band group or macho Marines, we don't say stuff like that, but we should be more open minded to those types of things. But I think generally like several friends of mine in our kind of military circle, we just send each other a one word text about once a month or so and it's a sit rep, S-I-T-R-E-P, which stands for situation report. And it's just basically, it's military slang for what's going on, like what's the update in life and they can give you back like five words or they can send you a paragraph or pick up the phone and make a phone call. And that's just like the mutual understanding with that. And that's not exclusive to a military or veteran type of setting. And especially like, man, there's a song that's out there at Cambridge. We weren't born to just pay bills and die. And it's, I feel like society is indoctrinating us to thinking that is the norm. I think even our parents' generation has probably felt that way too, is to just working men into an early grave, being distracted by the newest, latest, shiniest thing inundated with unsavory things in our social media. I know, I read in things like the screw tape letters are more and more relevant these days to highlight certain things that are, we might not have otherwise seen in our environment, but it's, oh, yeah, okay, I get this. There's also another really good book out there that people can turn to to in some direction. And I think it takes, I talk about this a little bit too. I'm like, society sucks. I don't care about society, but I care about community. And you go into that lower echelon, right? Community, friends, family, God, right? Like society puts these false narrative on so many things. But community is where we have those ripple effects when you throw a stone in a pond and we can make those impacts and have a really wholesome, caring, warm community, right? Whether it's with our neighbors or our church family or our friends in our town or circle of parents for the kids' soccer team, whatever it is or at our local traditional archery clubs and shoots and things of that nature. And there's really something special about that, but sometimes it takes one, somebody to be brave enough to recognize that it's there to be able to be bold enough to approach somebody and have those conversations. And also those folks that are older and wiser are not more knowledgeable to be good, open-minded mentors to folks that might be struggling or might just need a good word. And I think that the digitization of our era is putting up obstacles to make things like that happen. So I guess the leading question, what kind of advice do you have for people, Matt, that whether it's a struggle or just curiosity about leaning forward into faith or fellowship, whether that's faith-based or not, what kind of advice would you give somebody that might have been going through or will go through a tough spot and they don't know how to reach out and hire at somebody to get some words of encouragement? My first word of advice would be to not be too prideful or too scared to verbalize it. Most people have individuals in their close circle that they're true self with. They may not be honest about what they're internally suffering with or things that are maybe to them as embarrassing "things that they're struggling with," but they have people that they can be honest with and that they can be their real self. And so those are the people God's put in your life. It's friends, it's family. It might be somebody at work, but don't be too prideful or too scared to be honest with them and say, "Hey, I'm struggling with this. I don't know what to do." I feel like I'm the only person right now that's going through this. And there's a reason that God gives us people in our close circle, in our community to have this conversation with. We're not meant to do this life by ourselves. There's a reason that God made Adam and then he made Eve. There's a reason that there's an earth that was populated with people. And there's a reason that there's communities and whether you're a believer or not, you can use somebody to be able to get through a hard situation as really that personal lean on and that support. And then outside of that, obviously I've hit on this a lot, but prayer is a powerful thing, talking to God and truly talking to God. And if you've never prayed before, just sitting down in a quiet space and verbalizing your thoughts, either out loud or internally and just asking for help. And you're not going to get a response. Somebody's not going to talk back to you necessarily in that sense, but just sitting there and asking for help and just having peace and then turning to the word. Like you said, there's a book, there's a true book that you can always reference. And that's a powerful, most powerful book that's ever been written. And so leveraging that to get through those tough times. And then on the flip side of things, like be looking for those opportunities that some people in your close circle might be struggling. You get to know friends, you get to know your family. You can tell a lot of times, unless somebody's got a really good poker face, that there's something just not right, something's off. Just ask them. Especially guys often as buddies, they have a problem with asking questions and showing care, right? Like you don't want to be that way. You're talking about them and the Marines and the Army. Like you just want it to be tough. You're gonna be strong. You don't want to show any type of weakness. But asking the question and asking your buddy that you can tell is something bothering them. Hey, man, is there something you want to talk about? There's nothing weak about that or wrong about that. You never know what the impact can be on that individual. When I was young, somebody told me this story. You know, I'm like 90% sure it's a true story and not just a message, but there's a message in the story. And it's real quick. So there was these two guys. And they were at school. It was in high school. And this one boy, he dropped all his books and he was a kid in school that typically people picked on. He didn't have any friends. He was really smart, quote unquote, like more nerdy, not athletic. And there was this athlete or this quote unquote jock that walked up to this kid and said, let me help you with that, helped him pick all his books up. And they end up becoming friends and they just became close and they hung out and they talked. And it was years later that boy that dropped all those books, he told that, that friend of his. He said, I want to tell you, you saved my life that day. And he said, why is that? And he said, I was taking all my books home and clearing out my locker. So my parents would have to do that. I was going to go on and kill myself. And so you never know the impact you're going to have by just asking that question or just reaching out to somebody and just showing somebody love and care and being there for a complete stranger. We all have those opportunities every day in our life. If you look close enough, you have those opportunities. And so just, man, if there's somebody that messes you on social media about something they got a question about or you see somebody in the store that just looks like they need some love, just love on them. We all need kindness and love as long as we're breathing. - I was sitting there trying to talk but I had the mute button still on there, Matt. - All right, man, it was beautiful advice. And I think these episodes are meant to be really organic, Matt, but I had no idea that this was going to be taken in a direction. There was steeped in faith, but I'm glad it did. I'm glad it has and I appreciate it. I've enjoyed listening to your background and what's brought to you to this. And I think you've been blessed to have a family that had enough bringing that brought you up into the church and you've maintained that despite some obstacles and hurdles in life like I think we've all had. I think most that had said that they've never strayed would be, that would be pretty true, bold and false. - Yeah, truthful, 100%. Yeah, we didn't even talk about hunting stuff, but man, I've really enjoyed it as- - Yeah, let's do a quick small transition to a conclusion. But first, what are your hunting plans this fall, buddy? - Deer for me is primarily what I focus on during the fall. So being in Georgia, deer has been abundant here in this part of the country, so I'm grateful for that. I am a person that loves to hunt private property. Been blessed with people that will give me permission and then got friends that have properties too that we hunt together. I hunt a lot of like urban type of environments, smaller tracks of land. So I spent my time doing that when I'm at home and outside of work and family. I also plan to make a few trips to the Midwest this year. I'm excited about that. Probably go either to one or two different states and hunt. Last year was the first year that I'd ever hunt deer in the Midwest and I've always heard on TV how amazing it can be and how hunts will turn out. And obviously a lot of that perspective on TV is not always true story, but I've had a selfless friend that invited me to hunt last year in Kansas. And oh my goodness, if I told my wife, I said, you sure you don't like the cold because maybe one day we can retire and move to the Midwest. And it just, it was different. It was a lot different, obviously different properties playing to that, but in the way the deer responded, just simple callings come running in and have that happen multiple times. I didn't kill a deer while I was there. For me, when I went out to hunt on this private property, my buddy, so gracious, let me come hunt. I, he said, shoot whatever you want, but for me, I just felt AI. If I could kill it at home as far as size of books go, I'm not going to shoot that as just my choice, personal preference and really to from a sense of like gratitude for them, knowing that they probably wouldn't have maybe killed that deer, they're big into deer management and it was a brand new property too. They'd actually just purchase. That's my plan. I've spent a lot of time doing that. I will probably be super intentional about trying to take Emma with me this year at some point as the weather starts cooperating. - And then really, my goal is pretty hot down there still right now, right? - Oh, it is a smoking hot. - Man, I am, I am smoking hot. - I know I'm on video here. I mean, I don't share the videos on our viewing, but man, I've been trying to nonchalantly scratch all the sugar bites I've got right now, still just trying to hang the fans and check the trail cameras 'cause I've just been getting straight up and murdered. - I get worn out too. That and poison ivy, if I look at it the wrong way, I get it. - Last year, I had to get shot last year. It's just so bad. I am ready for it to cool off. I will say this, and I know that everybody feels this way, but I'm really passionate about the first couple of weeks of both season. I absolutely love it, obviously, because I haven't been in a tree stand since January of this year. But man, I'm super fired up because this is time that you can capitalize on getting on a deer real early. They're obviously naive at that point. They've forgotten about what it's like to be hunted all year. And so for me, like getting in first part of the season is special even though it's typically smoking hot. Looking at the weather though, so our season comes in here in Georgia a week from now. And so it's looking pretty promising. - So you know what, like the 14th or something like that? - Yeah, we are. Yep, that's when it opens. - Yeah, okay, ours in the 7th of September. I think this podcast will probably publish that around the 1st of beginning of October. But man, your trail camera picks that you've been posting, you've got some big deer. - Yeah, and I know that's pretty controversial on the traditional community, and so I guess hunting community in general, but man, I enjoy the whole process. I get excited about it come usually May or June. And so I hear for me, just for me, I wanna prioritize my time. And so I have a lot of different parts of the land. I have a lot of different places. Obviously when I hunt in the Midwest, also they are like for me, I can't go and check cameras, like having the ability to have a cellular camera and then be able to go and hunt and have a good game plan going into a hunt 'cause it's a limited time, it's super helpful, but then around the house, like I like I spend all my time driving around. And it's fun to share with people too. Like there's people out there that see like pictures or videos and they get fired up 'cause I deal, I'm like, man, I'm so pumped and excited. But then there's also this piece of mystery around, you never had that deer on camera or you weren't expecting to see 15 does come walking in or whatever the hunt might be. And so there's a piece of that that I love as well. But right now for me and my current season, like I just enjoy the process of scouting and finding spots and moving cameras around and fun. - I do say, it's entertaining, right? Like I love looking at my trail camera stuff in the morning when I get up or around 10 o'clock in the morning or something later when I know that the deer have moved through for the morning movement, I'll pull it up and I'm like, oh man, it's good, okay, good deal. - Fun, it's a lot of fun. - Yeah, I've watched bear cubs grow since April that were the size of puppies basically and now they're 40 pounds. - That's really cool. - You're a duration of trail camera picks and things of that nature and it's entertaining. I get to show it to my kids and all that stuff. So I'll let the purists have their chatter, but man. - Yeah, and I'll tell you this, not all my hunts are on properties that I've got cameras on 'cause I've got properties that I just don't have enough cameras to be able to run it on all the different tracks of land that I hunt. And so for me going on to a property and hunting that is not having a camera on it, that's fun. I enjoy that. I'll be honest with you, my opinion is that and the reason I have so many different spots to hunt is because usually when you go to a spot the first or second time is like the best time you're gonna have more than likely and just getting in there into that piece of property and just not disturbed it. And so that sometimes works out more of my favor too, not had been in that property, even if I put a camera months and months prior to going and hunting it, like I had been on that property before. And so sometimes I think that does help me in the past, at least so I've looked at it. But I'm really excited about dedicating another year to filming hunts. I didn't get all my hunts filmed last year, if for whatever reason there'd be times that either in bad weather, I just didn't have the desire to take it to the woods. And now that we spend a lot of time editing content and trying to put videos on YouTube and trying to put some effort behind that and knowing that people find motivation and kind of encouragement behind those hunts. I know I do when I watch YouTube videos on through small hunts specifically. I know that for me, it feels almost feel strange going into it this year, if I'm not taking a camera with me. The two hunts that I capture successfully were at the end of last season, so very end of the season. So going into this year, I'm just really excited to do that. There's even outside of the three of us, there's some other people that are gonna be filming with us too, I want this clothes names, but gonna be doing that. And so we're excited to be able to edit some of their stuff and post and just, it's gonna be a fun year. It's a lot of fun doing it with friends and just being able to celebrate each other and being there together around that same point of community, if you're currently bow hunting or you just hunt in general, you don't have a community, whether your friends are hunting with a traditional bow or they're not hunting at all the bow, they have something else like just find that because that makes the season somewhat more enjoyable, especially typically when you do your hunt, you're usually solo by yourself, but just having buddies of texts and friends that are like-minded and going through the same thing, it makes the season go by and be an enjoyable time together, whether you find success or you don't, it's enjoyable to do with other people. - No doubt, man, it is. It is, I often like to hunt by myself but share a camp or a day with somebody. - Yeah, that's great. - Not necessarily walk the same trail with a buddy, but more along lines, hey, you go this way, I'll go that way and let's meet up in four or five hours and it's always enjoyable. - It is, especially how there's memory together. - Yes, sir, 100%. All right, brother, man, let's get in late in both of our time zones and I'm sure the misses is or what and a half is back. So where can people find you, buddy? - Yeah, anybody can find us on social media, we're on Facebook, Instagram, threads, obviously YouTube now, our podcast is on any major podcasts, the listing platform, probably the best place to go that you could find all of our different channels or all of our different links through link trees. You can really search inside 20 spelled out on Google and you'd find it that way and we're super grateful for anybody that comes and finds our channel and decides to stick around where we just enjoy it. We're passionate about it at the end of the day and so it's fun to see new people just join in and follow along. - All right, brother, man, we'll put all that in the show notes too so that people can, while they're driving on the road and they didn't have the opportunity to jot all that stuff down. So we'll put it in there so everybody can find it really easily and will that include information for the nonprofit? - It will, yeah, actually it's funny you ask that and we haven't announced this. We officially have a tax deductible donation site, it's on our link tree too. And so if you click on that link, there's a description about what our focus is for 2024, 2025 and then if you feel led to give, we'll be able to, like I said, put money towards the kids outdoor zone this year and then future groups as 2025 ends and going into 2026 we're just overly grateful for anybody that wants to give back and also to just to be able to make a difference in this world that we live in. And we're, and anybody wants to ever reach out, get questions or anything we can ever do for you as an individual. We mean this at the bottom of our heart, you can email us inside25cast@gmail.com or you can just send us a message. We're here, we enjoy getting messages and connecting individuals. - Right on, man. All right, buddy, let's get out of here and get some Zs for the night. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you bringing good word here and being a man of faith and sharing some of your personal life. And I find that your sincerity is inspirational and I'm sure the others are listening will feel the same way. And I can't wait to hear how your season goes, either by shooting you a text message from time to time or listening to the Inside 20 podcast. So I appreciate you, man. You have a good rest of night, okay? - Thanks, brother. You too, man. We'll talk soon. - Yes, sir. (upbeat music) [MUSIC PLAYING]
Matt Tyler has grown up in Georgia his whole life, bowhunted for over 20 years, and been strictly a traditional bowhunter for a decade now. He is most passionate about introducing new people to the sport. Over the past three years Tim Channell, Jake Reese, and Matt have leveraged their own podcast called Inside Twenty to intentionally do just that. We spend more time talking about the important aspects of life, such as family and faith, but we liberally sprinkle in traditional archery also.
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