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Okay, thanks for listening, here's the show. How big of a role does fear have in your life? A pretty, I'd say, a sensible portion. It's definitely in there. I'm Rachel Martin and this is Wild Card, the game where cards control the conversation. [Music] Each week, my guest chooses questions at random from a deck of cards. Pick a card one through three. Questions about the memories, insights, and beliefs that have shaped them. Because my currency in this business wasn't my sex appeal, my guest this week is actor Catherine Hahn. Like, I really don't feel powerless. I feel like actually more powerful than I did in my 20s or early 30s. So I have developed affinities for certain actors, to the point where it doesn't matter what they're in, if their name is attached to it, leading role, or cameo. I'm watching it, Catherine Hahn is one of those actors. I first saw her in Transparent. She played Rabbi Raquel and stole every single scene she was in, and there were a lot of really talented actors in that show. But that's the beauty of a Catherine Hahn performance. She sneaks up on you. Whether she's playing a best friend's sidekick or leading role, a middle-aged mom with an insatiable sexual appetite or a nosy neighbor turned witch, she makes these characters accessible. They are vulnerable and messy and powerful all at the same time. They may start small, inhabiting one corner of the story, and before you know it, they are center stage, and you can't remember when it wasn't so. It was really her role in the show I Love Dick that endeared her to me forever. I had never seen a woman on screen that got to be quite so free even in her desperation, plus her bangs in that show were perfection. All that is to say, I think Catherine Hahn is pretty awesome, and her star turn in a big hit is well overdue. Of course, I'm talking about her role as the ancient witch Agatha Harkness in the newest Marvel show, Agatha Alalon. It is my great pleasure to welcome Catherine Hahn to Wildcard. Wow, what an intro. Yeah! I'm going to pull that out on a rainy day. Thank you. Please do. Really, I'm so glad to have you here. Oh, I saw my pleasure. Okay, so this is how it's going to go. Yeah. I've got a deck of cards in front of me. Each one has a question on it that I would love for you to answer. Okay, you have two tools at your disposal. So you get one skip, so if a certain question you're just not into it, you can skip it and I will replace it with another one from the deck. And you get a flip, so you can choose to flip a question on me, and then I'll answer it before you do. Oh, but I still do have to. Yeah, you still have to. Okay, but there's one of each. There's a skip and a flip. Yeah, okay. There's a skip and a flip. Okay, so we're going to break it up into three rounds. There'll be a few questions in each round. So are you good? I'm so good. Okay, let's go. Here are the first three cards. One, two, or three. Two, two. When you were bored as a kid, where would your imagination take you? It would take me to Little House on the Prairie plant. That allows a lot. I just wanted to be with Paul and my siblings. And I wanted to read a book and a hayloft and a barn. Yeah. Roll down that hill with Daniel Lyons. Roll down that hill with Daniel Lyons. Yeah. I wanted to be so excited for dinner. I wanted those like, I wanted like a fresh donut. Like all of a, I like a like a skittle cake. Like a all-sounded like delish. That was my dream. I grew up close to the Amish also. So it was like that whole kind of analog way of life. And those summers or that's where my imagination would go. Do you know that Ma Ingles taught me how to crack an egg with one hand? Stop it. For real. Where did you meet Ma Ingles? No, not in real life. Just in an episode. Oh, you are in it? No, oh my god. I'm a child watching Little House and Ma Ingles cracks an egg with one hand. And I think she's showing Laura how to do it. Oh. But I learned how to crack an egg and it's weird. But really every time I crack an egg with one hand, I think of Ma. You think of Ma Ingles? Wait, that's amazing. I mean, there you go. But do you remember they had maple snow? They would have got that was a big treat. Oh, the best. Can't tell you how many times. Did you ever try to do that? Yes. So many times we would just go out and get like fluffy snow in Ohio and then just put maple syrup over. My mom was so understanding. But then we had to, of course, we had to watch out for yellow snow. That's my brother's. We can be like, ew, it looks like yellow snow. I was like, it's not. It's delicious and you're missing out. All brothers are exactly the same. They are. OK, next card, three new cards. Oh. Next question. One, two, or three? Three. Three. What's an ordinary place that feels extraordinary to you because of what happened there? There was a closet in the house before we moved. It was like my husband and my first house in LA. It was not big enough for a family. But we had both of our kids there. And I remember we turned this closet into-- because we had no room-- into the changing area. And we made this little mobile-- because we heard babies see in black and white for a while. So we made this little mobile with a branch and over it. Like the art we put on the walls and his little changing pad. And that, to me, just is the most special place. Like it was just when he was-- I mean, so many things happened in there. Like the first Father's Day. And I had written on his onesie like Happy Father's Day. And so at the middle of the night for the feeding, he'd even like put it on him and saw it for the-- like so many of those little-- and then like as they grew older, that became like their hideout. Because it was so special in there. Yeah. Yeah. I love closets, you know? Just like there's lots of imagination. Me too. Lots can happen in class. That used to be my only place I could meditate in my house. Or do any kind of voiceover during the pandemic was just on the floor in my closet. Yeah. So this is my excuse to ask about your husband. Because it is a very cool thing to have met your person so early in one's life. Yes. I mean, you guys were in college. Yeah. And you still like and love each other and cohabitate. There, I mean, like any long marriage, I'm assuming there are serious ups and downs. And we met each other when we were not fully formed. That is the thing. But that's the thing. So if you've changed and how miraculous is it that you both changed and still agreed to be together? I know. Yeah, we choose, like we have to make, like it's like every day you choose. I mean, and I feel like the people we made are so extraordinary, these two kids. And so, and he is still my best friend. I just love hanging out with him. He's an awesome guy. And so, yeah, it is. I'm very, very proud of us. I know it's no small thing. Yeah. Yeah. Good on you guys. Okay. Three more. One, two, three. Okay. Two again. Oh, I like this one. Oh, good. I like all of them. This is like tarot. I know. I can't believe they let me do this, honestly. It's so awesome. That's great. What period of your life do you often daydream about? Well, I guess it depends on the chapter I'm in. Like right now, as my son is turning 18 on Friday, I think it is that period of his preschool. And before, I'm so back in that place of just playing with him until dinner, like that weird post-nap before dinner, like the sun's kind of going down. You're trying to find things to do. What if I start crying? But you also can't believe it's another night. You have to go through. Like it's the same. You're like, no, those were hours were really hard for me. And when I think about them, beautiful. Literally the witching. Yeah, the witching hour. Like the sun would go down and we'd be like, no, no. We'd have to do it again. But like that little time before dinner that was always like, sometimes you would walk into it like dreading it, but then it's still out. Now, of course, I'm so nostalgic. What was the thing that you would do? What was your go to? We would look for bugs in the front yard. We made like a little fairy village by the tree in the back. Like we would try to play catch, but we were on like one of those like deep silver like houses. So every, like there was, we lost maybe two out of three balls. And just like just taking a little walk sometimes. Like and just chatting. It was just the best, the best. Like what I wouldn't give now to have those like. And again, like in the when you're in the middle of it, you're like, oh, but those moments now are like coming to the surface and I'm daydreaming about them. Little snacks like cutting apples, peanut butter, and like just having them not complain about it. I mean, is that, was there ever a chapter than that? I don't know. Mine are still like, oh yeah, at least now they are definitely. And he's like, I can't, the spreading. It's so hard. Oh my God. It's just so hard. They're like, I'm starving. And I'm like, look at the fridge. No, but I'm telling you, it gets so weepy because you cannot believe you're not going to hear all of his like nonsense. There's a time in the near future that like that little nonsense of him like puttering down the stairs and like just hearing him and like looking in the room and saying, I was like crap all over the place. Like like it's that. It's like just to know that those like running down the stairs late in the morning and like all that stuff is like that it's just that noise is going to become like memory which is you can't believe it. 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Every weekday, NPR's best political reporters come to you on the NPR Politics Podcast to explain the big news coming out of Washington, the campaign trail, and beyond. We don't just want to tell you what happened, we tell you why it matters. Join the NPR Politics Podcast every single afternoon to understand the world through political eyes. So before I get to the next round, we're going to take a little break and talk about Agatha all along. This is the new Disney Plus series that you're starring in. You have played this character before, Agatha Harkness. She's this old witch, ancient, in fact. She looks amazing, but she's centuries old. She looks great. But this is the first time that Agatha is at the center of the storyline, right? This is your starring role. So first of all, congratulations. Thank you so much. This is my favorite part, I think. Really? Oh, yes, because I've been able, like, it feels like she runs the... Agatha's able to encompass so much in one character. There's so much cynicism and vulnerability also, and just like, just allows herself to have her gross impulses on the surface. And it's everything that I think, at least I, is a woman like the stuff that, especially as a Catholic school girl, who I got over that really fast. But the fact that those things are allowed in her is totally... Is you can be big with your emotions, you can be angry, take up space. You can take up as much space as you need. You can be like, not that I would be casually cruel, but to be able to play that is just selfish. All the stuff that we're like, "Oh, no, no, no." But all that stuff, like, temperamental and, yeah. How much knowledge, pre-existing knowledge, did you bring of the Marvel Cinematic Universe before you played Agatha? Not much. When I got cast, Mary Levanos, our producer, gives everybody that joins a huge binder. Oh, there was. I was imagining that there had to be a scene to her. And it was literally photographs of the pages in the comics, and every time she's mentioned or seen. So you can kind of put together a narrative through that for Agatha. I mean, her costumes go, run the gamut. And runs the gamut from the lady, the old, the very old witch, to just all of a sudden, she just has flowing hair and a gray streak, and is just basically wearing a bodysuit. Like, it's like, "Oh, you can tell by the era." And so I think when Jack Shafer, who wrote WandaVision, and also created a show, and directed a bunch, she kind of created this Agatha out of loosely, out of some information from the comics. But there's no straight line for her in the comics. So it's a really interesting combo of very clear story lines, from the comics, and then these kind of amalgamations, an imagination to fill in the blanks. What's her best power? Like, for you, what's the best superpower? I mean, manipulation is her superpower. And she's so self-involved, that it's all for her, because I think the more in this universe power that you have to destroy the more powerful you are, and some use it for good, and some for bad, and I think hers is... She wouldn't say this, but I think it's in that great gray area. Okay, so we're getting back into the game. Reminder, you have to skip it and flip. Don't have to use it, but you got it. Yeah, this little reminder. New rounds, cards are blue. Oh, it means nothing. Okay, okay, fine. It's pretty. It's very primamish. Yeah. Okay, one, two, or three. One, one. What life transition has been challenging? Oof. Well, I was going to say the one I'm in right now. This particular chapter in a woman's life into the next portal through the next portal where she's not as fertile in the literal sense is, has been a very unexpectedly challenging time. Because we're talking about menopause. Yes. Yeah. Pause in the moon. But no one talks about it, so you kind of walk into it blind, and I certainly thought I was in a pair of menopause hilariously to talk about, but for a very long time. So I was like, oof, do I feel like myself? Like, who is this? Like, who's coming? Like, who's coming through right now? Like, my moods, my like, right. And how much of it is you and how much of it is the thing? It's the hormones. Yeah, you don't know. Yeah, I know. You know, now, and I think somewhat this show is also kind of a metaphor for that. If like, you know, breaking through is a woman to find your power, looking for your power at the end of the road. It's not that this menopause is the end of the road, but the end of the road of what we had. One version of you. One version. One version. So I'd say that, and then also definitely the transition from high school to college, which may be why I'm so keyed into my son. He's having his own experience. But that being launched into, like, just saying goodbye to your childhood, that's how I experienced it. Again, I'm not saying that he is, but that was really an unexpected, I was like very homesick for a long time. Yeah. One in my bed, one of my friends, it's just like the newness and the knowledge that it was like never going to go back to what like that was, was really heavy. Yeah. Can I get back to the lady stuff? Yeah. Just it is sort of a big deal that the Marvel, you know, powers that be cast a woman who, are you 51? Yes. Right. Like a 51-year-old lady has the lead in this. That feels awesome. Don't feel very immature. I mean, I'm 52. Okay. But in terms of reaching this point in a woman's life and you're shifting identities and your body's doing all this weird stuff, I imagine for actors in Hollywood, it is doubly complicated because you start getting people, the producers see you in a different light and to them, you're losing your power, you're losing your virility, your sexuality or charisma or something. And this doesn't feel like that. This feels like an affirmation. This world feels like an affirmation of those things. 100% like that this, all the women are over 40. So it does feel like a really special kind of radical thing that we've been able to pull off. And I though because my currency in this business wasn't my sex appeal, I think that I've been able to move through and still feel not forgotten. I feel like I've been able to just kind of walk into more complicated parts. And I am eternally grateful for that. I really don't feel powerless. I feel like actually more powerful than I did in my 20s or early 30s in this business. I definitely feel I have more control over my choices. I have more say, I'm definitely not as afraid to say it, which is really freeing. And so it does. And I think that's why this part is so deep. Like to be able to do this at this stage in my hopefully long career as a performer, like this is really exciting. That's awesome. Okay, three more cards. Yay. One, two, three. Okay. One on the right, far right. Oh, the other one might be on my right. You're right. Sorry. Three. Yep. Oh. How big of a role does fear have in your life? A pretty, I'd say, a sensible portion. It's definitely in there. It's weird in the mix. Mostly it's when I'm doing these kind of things. Oh, shoot. No, this is making me very comfortable. When I say that, I mean like having to talk as myself. Who, why? Because I'm like, who? Why? That's exactly, you answered it. And it's like, I just, I, that's when I get like a little self-conscious. This has been the most fun because I love the questions. Thank you, thank you. But it's like, it feels like I always feel like no one's going to be interested. Right. Who cares? Right. But you know what is funny? Like literally right before this question, I was like, I got to flip it. So I want, so this is the question I would want to flip for you. Oh, I have all kinds of fears. I mean, how much time do you have? I think I do a pretty good job. I'm not paralyzed by any of them, I don't think. But oh, I have a lot of professional insecurities and fears. You know, I started this show. Like, is anyone going to listen to the show? I don't know. It's like a total shift from what I've spent 20 years of my career doing. Oh, amazing. Is that? That's why the stage is so rad. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And also totally scary. So, you know, you become attached to certain identities that you have of yourself. Yes. And then when you release them, you're like, who am I? I know that I'm not that fan. Yes. And am I actually really good at anything? Oh my god. Do I have discernible skills? We are so tough on ourselves. We're like the toughest on ourselves. I know. I hear myself saying that. I'm like, that's absurd. Like, it's okay. No, but it's human. I've definitely had those exact thoughts. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, it's the, like, unknown. Yeah. I mean, I have never been able to really plan anything also, because who knows where this job takes you? Or what's going to be around the corner? What's you've, but I think those same feelings of like, I always think like, when am I ever going to work again? Like as soon as the job ends and there's like that. Might be it. Is it? Right. If there's nothing on the horizon, and every time I do a job that night before for a new job, it's like, I forgot what I'm doing. This is going to be a disaster. They shouldn't have hired me. The tomorrow's going to be so embarrassing. And it always, it just seems like, you know, now, of course, there have been experiences where that has, uh, been totally true. But like, when you survive, and I survived, and I survived. Right. Exactly. We finally made it election week. It's what this whole never ending election cycle has been building up to. And what happens now will dictate the future of the country. Keep up with election news when it matters most with NPR's consider this podcast. All this week, we are taking major stories from the election to help you make sense of them, and what they mean for you in under 15 minutes. Listen now to the consider this podcast from NPR. Hey there. It's Ian and Mike. And on the how to do everything podcast from the team at Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. We will answer any question you have, no matter how ridiculous. Like, maybe you want to get a haircut in space, and you're not sure how. Astronaut Frank Rubio has had a haircut in space. We plan for everything, right? And so it's not a pretty haircut, for sure, but it's functional. Listen to the how to do everything podcast from NPR. Once again, we find ourselves in an unprecedented election. And with all that's happening in the lead up to the big day, a weekly podcast just won't cut it. Get a better grasp of where we stand as a nation every weekday. On the NPR Politics Podcast, here are seasoned reporters dig into the issues that are shaping voters' decisions and understand how the latest updates play into the bigger picture. The NPR Politics Podcast, listen on Spotify. We're into the last round. All right, three more cards. Now they're the red. I'm going to do that first card. This one? Number one. "Was there a bedrock truth in your life that you found out wasn't true?" Ugh. I think that people always don't keep your, what you tell them privately to themselves. Like every time I went, even in high school, I'd be like, "You cannot tell anybody this." And I did that way too much. It took me a long time to be like, "Right, okay, I still do it." I love it. You referenced earlier that you were like a Catholic girl for a hot midnight. I thought it was going to be something like, "You know, I don't know. God's not really talking to me." That was honestly, I respect, respect, respect. But yeah, Catholicism was basically like the cheapest private school option that we could go to. And they had a great couples club that my parents loved. But I, and I loved a uniform. I mean, yeah. But especially when it's like, you are charged with holding somebody's very private and like either painful or precious or that is a great responsibility to not. Yeah. Gossip is tough though, because sometimes it's fun to hear it. I know, but I did this interview with this woman who I adore, Sarah Hurwitz. And she wrote a book about sort of becoming a born-again Jew. Like she rediscovered her Judaism. And anyway, so long story made short, the thing that I remember from that conversation is how Judaism treats gossip and like you don't do it. Like it's sacred to not do it and to not speak ill of other people. And I'm not Jewish, but I love learning about different traditions. And that has always stuck with me. Like the power of your words and the sacredness that you hold other people's thoughts, feelings and secrets and the power your words have when you put them out in any kind of negative way about someone else. It's not like I don't do it. I mean, I'm a human and I still do all that stuff. But I think more about it and I try to use more intention. Yeah. Be impeccable with your word. Wasn't that... I don't know what that is from. I think maybe even the four agreements. Look at you. But I just do, I remember and trying to hold on to that because it's very hard. Because it is... Someone also told me that like talking about somebody else is you two together. Yeah, or you're putting a curse on that. Oh, oh God. Yeah. Because now anyone that you've told that thought or opinion or gossip to has that in their mind before they've even met that person. And then that keeps going. So that's something also a little witchy. But I do, that really got me that of course you are. I'm not going to tell anyone anything you've said to me. This is between us. We're going to press delete. Three more cards. I'm going to do that first card. This one? Number one. Have you ever had a premonition about something that came true? Oh, I don't even want to say it out loud. I'm going to think of another one. Yeah, you don't have to tell me that one. But you've had them. Yeah, I definitely have had them. Yeah. Yeah. You know what, there have been times where the phone rings. And I know what it's about before I pick it up. Like my dad passed away this spring and it was like a random phone call on like a Monday night. And I saw a 216 number, which is the area code from Cleveland. I didn't recognize it as my uncles. And I was like, okay. And he'd been doing okay. It wasn't like I was always expecting this call. But I guess you are at a sense always do when your parents are getting up there and you're not living with them. But I just had a feeling. How'd he been sick? Not recently. No, he had had hard stuff like five years before. But he, I mean, he was 83. But it was definitely the last thing on my mind. And the first thing I thought of. So it's a weird that kind of stuff that happens. Yeah. I think people can, a lot of people could say they know that too. That feeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely happened to me before. And yeah, some of them are things you don't want to say out loud because they were so. I know. Fragile and precious and maybe sad. Yes. But it always, strangely, even when they're hard things, it makes me feel, I don't know, more connected. That is exactly the word I was going to say. Is that's what it, I took it as this like he was. Like that we are like higher powers were, were connected. Yeah. You know, I was able to be there when he passed, which meant so much. She, and he passed away like three hours after we got there. Like, so it was all supposed to unfold exactly it was. But it did. I think those moments do reveal that subconscious connection you have to. I've loved one. Is her mom still around? Yeah. She's doing okay. She's doing great. Yes. Yeah. That's a good thing. She's doing okay. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. Oh my gosh. Three more cards. Okay, great. One, two, three. Two. Two. Is there anything in your life that feels like praying? Aww. That's a beautiful question. I'd say being on a road trip with my fam. Like when we finally, and the dogs, even when we finally relax into ourselves. Like it always takes a few days of like bickering and kids and yada yada. But then when we're finally like relax the four of us and we're all just in a car and like everything. I love the most and the planet is like in one small space like hurtling into the unknown. Like that is, that feels like praying. It feels like praying when I'm just like listening to my kids talk about their days, which is like rare because they're older and older and there's a lot of like fine. But when they do, it's like, it feels like praying. And then also like at a work level, it's that arrested heightened period before action is called. But like when everyone is still, when it is like a heightened scene. And even the crew is involved. Like you just feel this like this kind of limbic space between like the here and then the this other fate like plane. We're just about to enter and that always feels like praying. Um, yeah, I love those moments too. I don't know. I can't condor. But I know exactly what you mean when there's a collective. There's people and you're about to do something all together. And it's the right before. Yes. I love the right before. I love the right before. It's so full. It could be anything. It could be anything. Uh-huh. Yeah, it could be anything. We end the show the same way every time. And this is where we're at, the end. I know it's all that. This is so fun. So, uh, this is what we do. Uh, you get a trip in our memory time machine. Here we go. And I ask you to choose one moment from your life. That you wouldn't change anything about. It is just a moment you would like to revisit and linger in a little longer. What moment do you choose? This is my therapy. That's always about my kids. But I took my son was obsessed with elephant seals. And there are some, um, like near Hurst Castle, like up the coast. And he had seen them in books. And there's like hundreds of them on the speech. And I just remember the look in his eyes when he saw them for real for the first time. And that was, I will, uh, yeah, would never change. I'm in it a second. The air, the, where the sun was. I can like picture it completely. What he was wearing. What was he wearing? He was wearing striped shorts. You know, those Bowdoin shorts. So he's wearing like long Bowdoin shorts. A little t-shirt with a sailboat on it. Um, and his hair was really long, like to hear. He loved his like blonde hair. And so he's holding it back on one side like this to look at them. So he's just going like this to get out of his eyes. And he was so quiet gripping the, the fence between, between us and the, where all of these protected elephant seals were. And, um, we had to, when we went back to the hotel, he just drew them the whole night. He just could not get them out of his head. He was like, uh, furiously drawing them. I mean, I have so many of those moments that I wouldn't change the thing of. I feel blessed to be able to say that. Catherine Han, she stars as Agatha Harkness in the new Disney Plus show Agatha All Along. Catherine, thank you for doing this. Oh, thank you so much. This is like the best way to start this day. And you should not doubt for a second this incredible show. Oh, thank you. You're amazing. This is like so rich and so fun. Thank you. If you want more from Catherine Han, we've got a bonus episode where she talks about feeling overlooked during auditions in the early days of her career. Doing like a blind auditions in New York City where you were like, they barely looked up. They just said, thank you. Like it was so, you're literally overlooked. Literally wasn't even looked at. You'll also hear Seth Meyers talk about taking too long to propose to his wife. You can listen to that bonus episode and every one of our episodes, sponsor free by signing up for Wild Card Plus at plus.npr.org/wildcard. This episode was produced by Romel Wood and edited by Dave Blanchard. It was mastered by Maggie Luthar. Wild Card's executive producer is Beth Donovan. Our theme music is by Romtine Arablui. You can reach out to us at wildcard@npr.org. We're going to shuffle the deck and be back with more next week. Talk to you then. Well, we finally made it election week. That is what this whole never ending election cycle has been building up to. And what happens now will determine the future of our country. You can keep up with election news when it matters most with the NPR Politics Podcast. All this week, we're taking the latest stories from the campaign trail, swing states, and polling places to help you make sense of them. And what they mean for you. Listen now to the NPR Politics Podcast. As election day approaches, NPR's Consider This podcast is zooming in on six states that could determine who wins the White House. Georgia, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania. We'll ask voters in these swing states what matters to them and which way they want the country to go. Follow along with new episodes this week on the Consider This podcast from NPR. Truth, Independence, Fairness, Transparency, Respect, Excellence. This is NPR. [MUSIC]