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2839: ROUNDTABLE: Role of Youth and CSOs in South Sudan's Democratic Transition
- The round table. - A very warm welcome to Radha Mariah Round Table. With me, I run today, we are discussing the role of youth and civil society organization in completing the implementation of the extended R-Arsis. That is the revitalized agreement or resolution of conflict in South Sudan. The parties in Artiguno and R-Arsis of reason unanimously extended the ending of transitional period that would have ended in elections of the new government. The news of extension was received with mixed reaction, but was nevertheless passed, and it is now the case that the, and accomplish activities have to be finished with the extended, within the extended period as agreed. The Artiguno agreed that it is argued that it is the last extension and have assured the population that this time it is going to work. Although, the completion of the, an accomplish of activities under the R-Arsis is squarely the responsibility of the Artiguno, the youth civil society organization, and why does citizenry have role in successful completion of the remaining activities to pave way for elections in December, 2026? It is the, in the interest of the public that that transitional period is ended in elections that allow them to elect their leaders and participate in democratic governance of their country. So what is the role of youth and civil society organization in making sure that implementation is substantial enough to allow for free, fair and credible elections? We have two guests in the studio today, which will be joined by Molana Jumamubur, shuttly, but then we have Mandela Isaac Hoi is Executive Director for STAR. Mandela, welcome to Radimara Roundtable this Saturday. - Thank you, Dr. Yachgrang, for inviting me to this studio. And I want to say greetings to all mirror listeners everywhere you are, those listening to us online, and those following us live in, in Satsudan. I just want to say welcome, thank you so much. - Yeah, our listeners across the country and beyond you have been welcomed by Mandela Isaac and she shuttly, we shall be joined by Jumamubur, Muriel Molana Jumamubur, Muriel, is an Executive Director of Alhamm, is a charge-based organization here working in governance and many other activities here in Satsudan. Mandela, you, what was your reaction when you heard that the extension, I mean, extension was the case. The parties have agreed to extend the artichuno, the lifespan of artichuno, and they have also agreed to extend the implementation of the agreement that few other activities there were not implemented for the last six years have now been, have to be completed as agreed for the next two years, till 20, 26 December. So how did these news come and settle into your heart? - Thank you, Rajachigarang. Under the Muriel listeners, I just want to say the extension of the artichuno to me was not good because personally, I was expecting that our country goes for election to be able to elect leaders who can be accountable to them. Rajachigarang, we all know that for quite a long time, we've been living under transitional government and our persons, okay, our Satsudan is citizens, did not have any time to elect leaders who can be accountable to them. Rajachigarang, this government, to me, is not working in the interest of the people. I just want to give you some small background why I said the extension was not good for me. Right now, we're experiencing issues in getting to our borders at the Kajukaji, at Maguih, Nada Pal, and other parts of the country. - Another part of the country, too. - Yeah, another part, not another part of the country. We expected that if this government was really, really a very good government, we expect that our soldiers will be deployed to defend the territorial integrity of this country. This does not happen. That means our soldiers are noted being unified under one command. Number two, yeah, we have the issue of conflict. Recently, we have a conflict in Nassar County, in Nassar. The soldiers, the SSPDF fought with youth. This clearly demonstrated that our soldiers are not under one command. We recently, like, one week ago, when our governor visited counties of central government. - That's the governor of central government. - Yeah, when he visited some part, some counties of central government state, we had an attack just right at Kaulipapa, some youth were killed. - Attack on him or his gun wire? - No, no, no, no, attack on the youth. Youth were killed. - By? - Unknown people. We don't know them. They are not government. As if that was not enough, we also had youth being killed in Wundruba, over 10 youths were killed. And again, four people were killed in Kajukaji. Just in the middle of Kajukaji town. - In the market, yeah. - In the market. So what does it say? It says it means that our soldiers are not, you know, under one command. We are under this government, we are experiencing an issue of insecurity and the transitional access really is to play that our soldiers are supposed to be trained, unified and deployed. This has not yet been completed. It has not yet been done. So apart from that, we have right now our citizens going through more than 10 months, our civil servants, more than 10 months with that salary. This also clearly demonstrated this government is not for the people. That as if that is not enough. Right now, the government is very huge. You are getting, you agree with me. The government is too huge. We have five vice president in this country. They have motorquets. They are people they are working with. And these people are supposed to be paid salaries. And they are paid salaries at the expenses of the taxes or the people of South Sudan. Yet our people are going with our salaries. So this huge government to me needed to be sliced. And this can only be reduced through election. Apart from even the five vice president, we have a huge ministries. We have almost 35 ministries. We mean, yeah, cabinet. We do it with what, with the deputy ministers. So all these depend- - Always 45. - Yeah, all these depend on our salary. All these depend on the tax payers' money. Even we have a huge parliament. 550 members of parliament. So to me, the only way to reduce this government was to go through election. So that we elect people who are accountable to us. Because as I talk right now, our parliamentarians are not speaking for the people. They even do not have constituencies. You see, we have 75 counties with the exchange. With the, with the, with the, with the, what? With the administrative areas of ruin, and people. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, we now have almost 82 counties. But we have 550 members of parliament. Who are they accounted to? They accounted to the parties that appointed them. They are there to, to, to, to, to support their parties. But not to support our people. They don't talk on behalf of the people. The people are suffering. They don't talk about them. They don't even visit their constituents because they don't have constituencies. So to me, the only way was to go for an election. So when I heard about the extension, I was really devastated. And I know that this is not a fast extension. They extended it in 2022 by coming out with something called roadmap. And I remember clearly when, when, when, when, when, when the cabinet minister clearly spoke that this roadmap was developed by Satsudanis. And now it will be implemented. Nothing will be making it difficult to be implemented. So last, last month, I was very, very surprised when he also came and said they couldn't implement most of the agreement because there was no funding. But we have new vehicles, vehicles of 2024 coming into Satsudan. How are they buying them? They're very expensive. We have V8s that are coming into Satsudan. How are they buying them? If there's no money. So what I'm seeing is that their parties are dragging their feet. They are comfortable with the, with, with a transitional period because it is just like they've divided this country as a piece of cake for birthday and they're celebrating it. And the citizens are really suffering. So to me, Mandela, it's sorry to, to, to attitude. Talking about insecure that you are highlighted in your conversation, does it not justify the reason why extension is the only option available to, to the leaders? Because as they need to stabilize security, as they need to unify the forces so that they are under one command, as you said, they need time or resources as they argue for so that they can, they, they can, I mean, stabilize the country's security wise. Does it not justify the reason why extension is the option? There's no, there's no, yes, the case on Dr. H. What have they done in six years that they will do today? They have not done anything in six years. So what do you expect them to do in two years that have extended? Because they were there for six years. The agreement was signed in 2018. And it ended and it extended it with something called roadmap. They even said these are the same challenges. They need to unify the forces. They were not unified and they failed to do it in two years. So what do they think that they will, what, what, what do you think that they will do in these current two years? They will do nothing, of course. So what I've seen, this is just to, to, to keep them staying in power because they are comfortable with what they have got at the expense of Satsura in this. But I just want to inform the political elite that let them not take the patience of Satsura is for being full. Thank you. All, to all our listeners across the country and beyond, we have been joined by Molana Juma Mobor-Maria, who is an executive director for ALAM. Molana, welcome to Radimara Studio. Thank you, Victor. Yes. We are discussing the role of youth and civil society organization in helping the art signal to complete the implementation of the RRCS so that we have a new government in place as agreed by the parties in the year 2026. So when you had the news of extension Molana, having written some opinion, I saw you writing some opinion before that, why extension was not necessary at that particular time. As a member of civil society organization, you represent the voice of the voiceless, those who cannot take up their voice so that they are hot. You have done your role with the opinion pieces that you wrote, a series of opinion pieces that I read very well. So how did you receive the news of extension personally before we come to the people you represent? Thank you, Victor. Yes, and I apologize for coming in late. I had some morning hurdles, but then I overcame them. Indeed, the news of the extension, as my colleague Mandela, I have already stated, was a big disappointment to the people who have also done, because it was really very unfortunate for our leaders to continue to think of themselves and thinking of the people who have also done. And the excuses that were being put forward as stated by Mandela were the same excuses that they had in 2018, 2022, and then up to 2024. So it was really a very bad news for me as a person, and that's why you could see my reaction. I took it very motive in the sense that we are joking with this country. We don't want to move it forward. And I think that is the same feeling, it's also done, it's had about the extension. At least the one for 2018 to 2022 was a bit understandable. Yeah, the role you mean? Yeah, the role map. The role map was a bit acceptable, because there were some few genetic reasons as to why it should have been extended. But then when you sit back after extending it for two years, and then you come back after two years and say, "This is what we need to do again." Then it become business as usual. And that's why I took it quite personal, and I wrote a number of articles trying to make sense out of what people need to know instead of just being taken for a ride as also done is. What implication, Duma, does the extension have on general situation in the country as the country try to grapple with the stability and democracy that's why it's to be? A lot of implication. The country is at a crossroad from economic downturn to insecurity, to inter-communal violent flooding. And even politically, we don't have a political direction now in the country, because everybody now is just sitting and waiting for February 2025 to start all over again. Even the implementation of the peace agreement has not been solved. Have you ever had anybody talking about the implementation of the RRCs again? A few days ago, you said at the end, the JRC. That is just an activity, in some examples running, and it is just one of the activities that was in their program. So there is no major step. What do I mean by major step? If indeed they had extended up to 2026 and they are serious about it, we should have seen in the first few days an issue of reunification of forces and the deployment of forces. You have seen inter-communal conflict taking very bad shape in war upstate. You have seen, I had Mandela when I was driving. I was also listening, talking about central equatoria, where the governor visit the area, where people were slaughtered. You see the things that are now happening in Nazir, between the white army and the Al Jazeera. So we are at a crossroad, and as we continue to extend, hoping bad things will be better than things are getting worse by the day. So what I'm seeing is that we are firing democracy, we are barring good governance, we are bearing the future of South Sudan, because there is no direction as things stand now. So it is about time that they come, and the one thing, by the way, that we need to underline, is that the 2022 was very nice, because there was a support roadmap. The extension, yes, that tells us what needs to be done after the other, but this one, there is no single paper about the work plan, the roadmap, the metric of what should be done, one after the other. We have not seen that if you... - One justification given to you, because it's expected the agreement of the parties should have been on the paper with some roadmap. I've been, some roadmap, some step to be taken, some time line, we were told that prior to the extension, we were told that the specialized institution, like NCRC, National Election Commission, and a nationally bureau of standard, were asked to give timeline, timeline as to how much time they needed for them to complete their activities, so that to pave way for elections. - So, what happened? No, that's... - Those institution, those institution were just used to rub a stem, the extension, they didn't have any monopoly over the extension. The high level implementation committee is the one that is driving the vehicle to add the extension. And therefore, whatever they might have produced, where in form of report, those cannot amount to a metric or a work plan to add the implementation of the extended peace agreement. So, what they ought to have done as the committee in charge of the implementation of the agreement was to ensure that they harmonize all this submission from this electoral and security institution, and then they develop a very comprehensive and well-detailed metric, having been a practical timeline, that from A to B to C, these what we are going to do. - Yes, for example, NCRC has given 18 months that if they are funded, if there is security, you know, these are all conditional timelines, then they can be able to deliver within that a given timeline. But then if you are not giving them the fun, if you are not providing security country-wide, because they have to go for civic education and public consultation, then that means that timeline has nothing to be talked about. So, that's why it is a very right kind of extension, and there is nothing that need to be desired about it. It is just a waste of time. - Thank you so much, Juma Mandela. - Yes. - Juma mentioned the implication on politics, politically, the implication economically, and the implication with regard to what it sees as a rash agreement in order to extend to safe their faces, that's the Juma argument. - So what does, you have an earlier on, you have mentioned to you personally, what your reaction toward extension. But then what is the implication of this extension towards the stability that the country's struggle for economically, socially, and security-wise? - I think a more than a Juma has really finished it all. To me, in a nutshell, I would just say the implication would be negative because we have never witnessed anything positive than by this government in a favor of the people, in a favor of such Sudanese. So we don't expect this extension to generate anything positive. Like Juma, as Kidely said, we don't have any plan that is guiding us. So if you are working with either a plan, what do you think you can achieve? But even as a civil society, how can we hold them accountable? How do you follow them? Because if there was timeline for implementing plan A, would have said you are almost reaching the end of this timeline, please, can you work on that? But since there's no timeline, that means this extension is just a mere joke on the minds and brain of such Sudanese. They want to really test us. These guys want to test the water to see whether they are crocodiles or they are not crocodiles there. Because if it's not testing the waters, they should have not joke with our minds. How do you really extend something without any plan, the high-level committee? How can you come publicly today to the station or to the media and declare an extension? So to me, it is negative and we really hope that for this plan to be implemented, they need to come up with an agent plan of implementing this error access because right now we're not talking, we're no longer talking about roadmap, we're talking about error access. Like you talked about those institutions to be developing their plans. How can those institutions even develop their plan when the security sector is not being implemented? - You're not being unified. People are not being unified. The Army is not being unified. The security is really fragile and you're talking about the electoral committee and the NCRC. How can we even go for specific education when you feel being attacked? So let them do first things first. Let them unify the Army and the one command. Let them make sure that guns are not in the hands of the people. Let them graduate. The forces that are in the continent, the containment areas. Let them train those and not even not take into the containment areas and then they cannot talk about election and what in the constitution. But I earlier don't say that these people are just buying time. They want to stay in power. Power is very sweet. This was what they wanted. The agreement has given them and they're going to continue to stay there. So it's negative. There's nothing positive over this agreement. Mandela, having mentioned that the leaders or the parties in the agreement have intention to remain in power. And that's why these continuous and series of extensions have been done over time from 2018 to date. We are going to 2026, 2027 February is when we may have a change, likely, according to what we are told. And having realized this thing, this intention by the leaders, the responsibility of making sure that these activities are completed within the time, stipulated time, agreed by them, is not only the responsibility of them. As a member of civil society, as an executive director of a star, you have a responsibility. Youth in this country, you have a responsibility to make sure that this implementation is done within the time agreed. So what do you think they need to change before 2026 so that we have elections in 2026? What do we need that has to change? And on top of that, what do we need to do? What do you need to do? What do citizens of this country need to do to bring about a change of political will? Because their political will, as you argue, is to remain in power. That is your argument. So what do we need to do so that a change of heart comes in and need to be done before 2026, Mandela? Yeah, thank you so much. As civil society, we really do a lot of roles. If I can take you back to 2011, even before-- let me just say 2010, during-- before the referendum, the civil societies were moving from house to house, trying to ask our people to vote for separation. The government did not sponsor them, even some of them were not sponsored by international NGOs, but they did on their own. This is because they have the love and heart for this country. They did it. So civil societies are doing a lot. So for us to be able to help the government to implement this agreement is for them to give us the civic and political-- or the civic space. Right now, when you speak against-- when you speak the right thing to this current government, you can either be exiled or your office can be raided. But now you have the mic. I have the mic here. But after the mic-- But after the mic would happen. So the issue is this. Let our country-- let our leaders understand that there is no another country that we can have apart from, so that shouldn't. This is our country. It is not their own property. It is our country. So if this is our country, they need to give us that freedom. They need to give us that power. They need to talk, to speak to our people. First of all, we need the agreement to be disseminated to the community. The communities do not understand what is in the agreement. The agreement is just for elite. They need to know what is in the agreement. But when you go to the grassroots, they don't know what is taking place in the agreement. So who is supposed to disseminate this agreement is us, the civil society, to do that? Who is supposed to help the government mediate peace among the community? The community. Yes, the community. It is us, the civil society, the communities. Right now, we're talking about inter-communial conflict. Who is supposed to mediate? It is us. Who is supposed to be able to talk to the chief to be able to ask the community to surrender their guns? It's as a civil society. And also, it is as a civil society who can speak to the international community to support the government financially if we have that freedom of speech. But if the government really think that we are not parties to the agreement, then that brings an issue here. So for us, as civil society, we are ready to help the government to make sure that this agreement is implemented. But what we're asking from them is this. They should develop for us a timeline. So when we go, we speak about a timeline that agreement is going to be implemented in this ABCM and it's up to Z. So if they don't do that, it becomes a little difficult too. For us to be able to implement this agreement, as youth, as civil society, we need to be united. Because sometimes the civil society does not speak to one voice. The civil society, the civil society is who are pro, the current arachiguno. And the civil society is who are really forced, so done. So we need to unify our voices to make sure that what we are speaking, we're speaking one voice at Satsullen is for the betterment of these countries, Satsullen. I want to tell you, Dr. Ayaj, this is what the country voted for. If this was the country that we are voting for, if I was to foresee future, I would not even waste my time to go online or queue up to be able to vote for this country. In other words, you want to say that you're a great-- I am a great voting for separation. Because when we're living together with the Arabs, we do not experience this hardship. The hardship has become so much that it's unbearable. Just some months, some weeks ago, there was no water within you, but people were suffering because of lack of water, you know? People, like I said, people go hungry. Some people even see food once in three or four days, yet we have our own country. - Mandela, I want to take your mind to the history in the Bible. - Yes, the Israelites, when they left Egypt, they went to desert and life was very harsh and so forth and so forth. So they argued that when we were in Egypt, we used to eat, we used to do what we drink well and enjoy and all these things. Now we have been brought to this desert by Moses and we are here suffering and so forth and so forth. What have become later on the future? For them, they lend it in the land of honey and milk. What I want to say is that you said you're a great voting for separation. These are transitional steps, epochs in the history that you are surmounting them and the future with South Sudan could still be bright. Do you see future for South Sudan as dim? - The future for South Sudan will be bright if there is a proper foundation. All of us talk about foundation. You cannot build a house on a weak foundation. For a country to be strong, we would have seen the indicators of a very good country right now. If you could see South Sudan is connected road-wise, if you could see South Sudan is a key word, if you could see people allowed to farm, we could say that the country is going to be powerful. But now I can ask a question even to our leaders. How do you want history to judge you? Postively or negatively? And it's already happening. The history is already judging. But now coming back to our question, the thing is we have a role to play to helping our government. So what I want is that the government right now should be able to develop for us a plan so that we can be able to help him or help them to be able to implement this agreement. We want to disseminate this agreement to our communities. Our communities to understand this agreement. And we also want the government to give us that how to call it, that leeway that go ahead, that civic space to be able to help them implement this agreement. Otherwise without us getting involved in this agreement, it may also collapse. So to the youth, I want to say the youth, let us stop following our uncles. Let us stop being tribalistic. Sometimes being tribalistic is what makes the politicians to enjoy the power that we are allowing them to enjoy. So as youth, let's get united. Let's focus on our country, but let's not focus on our uncles, our our fathers and whatever. Let us support the civil society. Let us support the government to implement the peace. Let us call the government. Let us put them under pressure to pressurize the government to be able to implement this agreement. But if you are there, you are leaders because I have a leader in the power and I can enjoy it. It is nonsense because you are there suffering and somebody is there enjoying his kids are there in school and you are not going to school. So youth, please stop tribalism, stop conflict, let them not use you to fight because as you are fighting the boost, mosquitoes are chewing you, mosquitoes are eating you and somebody is being somewhere with his wife. So please do not be used to fight. - Thank you, thank you so much Mandela for this advice to the youth. And the same question to you, Malana, Juma, but then Mandela, as I said, is using youth and the citizen as a soul to give pressure to the government. In what way can the youth and citizen give pressure to the government so that they hate to their needs and their voices and they implement the agreement? What do we need to do? What miracle do we need to do so that to bring a change of heart for all leaders so that they consider? As Mandela, you. - Thank you, Victoria. I think the big elephant in the room is the political will and that is what has been the biggest problem in this country and any government that failed, it failed because of lack of political will to do things that it is supposed to do. And I want us to do something that citizen of South Sudan, by calling in spread a spread and big spoon one. One, if we want to succeed or we want anything change before 2026, and I hope the parties to the agreement can be able to listen to people, let them first take away all the obstructives of his agreement from their government or from strategic position. - You want to say that there are obstructives within the government? For example, this high level of implementation, committee is a very big obstacle to the peace agreement because they are very interested in protecting their position, then they are in implementing their agreement. And I want that committee to be changed if we are to go forward. That is number one. - You might let them face certain on this number one. You say they are obstacles. They are the decision makers. They made the decision, then informed the presidency and presidency endorsed their decision. How do you ask somebody who holds the pen to write himself a resign? He holds the pen. It is someone who knows how to write the word resign. - If we get right people who are divide the president, the president could act otherwise in the way he has been acting. And therefore, what I'm saying, that is why I started by saying we call it a spade a spade and a big spoon one. That is why I started by saying we need to give knowledge, abolish this committee or change their personalities in those committee because they are the one who don't want, for example, if we continue calling a spade a spade, the fund that was meant for the implementation of the peace agreement was expanded by members of this committee. And the reason that came on later on for the extension up to 2026 is that we don't have funds to implement the agreement. So you can see the obstruction. That is coming out very clearly. That is number one. Number two is for the president to say enough is enough or the principle to the agreement that we cannot continue to treat society the way we have been treating them. The president has said this once, that I will not take the country back to war. The same thing and he did it. You know, apart from this inter-communal violence, we are not directly associated with the national government. You know, we can say that statement he has stood by. And the same statement is what you need to come out together with Victoria and say we are not going again to extend the period for our government to continue being on transition. Did we hear the voices? With this extension, did we hear the voices remind me? We have not, we have not heard from Victoria. We have not heard from the president. Because you know, these people report to them, right? Eliello Morot, Tuttko, and the rest of the people who are in the committee, they go and report to the president. Yeah. And then those of what can and the rest of the people they go and report to Victoria. So when these people come and report to you and you have said enough is enough, you will always tell them this is red light. I don't want us to extend it anymore. So if they are listening, then there is also another step they need to take. All right. So that by 2026, their voices do not come again until us, now we have agreed and we are taking this one to the president. So you know, they just take it to them. You have seen the nature of that paper. Yeah. The way the presidents are signing like they are in the classrooms, you know? That attention, they are unfortunate for leadership to be treated inside their way. And these guys who are driving them that way. So that is number two. They need to be done. They say enough is enough. And we need to stop this transition. If it is, by the way, most of them has ruled for over 30 years. Yes. More at rule kind of for over 24 years. Other African countries have ruled. But what they do is that they make sure they have security. They make sure that economy is moving forward. They make sure that citizens are so happy. And are happy. Services are being delivered to them. Look at what Mandela was saying. That is a very bad lamentation. That I regret voting for independent. And if you ask most of the South Sudanese in this. They will say the same of South Sudan state and also the capital, Cuba. They will say the same thing 100 times. And this is because you can imagine, Cuba, we still don't have water. We have to rely on foreigners. Last week, we were pleading with foreigners to give us our own water from the river Nile. We had to beg them. You can see the roads. This is the statement that Dr. John Grangh met in 1980s, addressing some of his recruits. That Cuba, up to now, the Nile passes their fresh water. The longest river in the world. And it passes through Cuba. And Cuba, as of that time, did not have water. People were still going to carry water on their back to it. So the new Sudan in Grangh mine was to make sure that Cuba take water to the mountain, Cuba. Then what I, to the highest point here in the island. That it flows to the east. This is in the-- he said it in 1980s, between '80s and '90s. That is the statement. That was the statement last week. This is the situation. That was the bishop. Because of everything, and it's also done, it's upside down. Look, we are the country that is for using oil. But we are buying the oil at the highest price in the world. Sometimes, you don't even have fuel to run your vehicle. We are still using generators. We are still using solar partner. And we could be having electricity. Running in every corner of this country. We have a refinery that can produce in our consumption. And we are not making use of it. And then we also have a very small population with a very virgin kind of land. Where agriculture can flourish. And you see, so when you hear those are Mandela, regretic, why they voted for independent, then you cannot blame them. OK, back now to our question. The political will is in the hands of the principal to the agreement. And I want the president to repeat his statement that he said about the conflict. To say again about the extension. Because this extension has become a thorn in the pledge of the South Sudanese. And it is eating us up. And if you see people on the street, people are suffering. We are all suffering. And it is about time we change these strategies. Because anything can be too much. And this has become too much. So you mentioned three points that need to be done. One is to replace the obstructives. You have disempowered them. So that they cannot mislead the principal. That is your own one. Number one. Number two is for the principal to say red line. This is red line. No more extension. Come or we'll publicly tell the citizen of this country that we are not going to extend come rain or fire. So this is it. But then the question on pressure, you have mentioned. Your voice now is kind of letting the leaders know that this is a situation. This is what the citizen is saying. But what do we need to do more? Mandela talk of pressure, the pressuring citizen of this country, pressuring the leadership to change heart, unemployment, and end the series of transition. So what I'm asking is the mode of pressure. How do we deliver this thing? So the leaders feel and sympathize with the people. Yes, I agree with Mandela. We cannot apply pressure. But you know, pressure literally can back fire. And with the status that we have in our country now, these people hold power. And for example, now what I have stated about the members of the high-level implementation committee, if they feel that somebody is threatening their position, they will get back at me. And therefore, we have to be able to apply pressure strategically in the sense that we need to apply persuasive pressure. We need to talk to them if only they can listen to us. And we can also offer to provide solution. For example, as civil society organizations, we have said and agreed that we are going to develop the metric for the implementation of the extended period, because they don't have the metric now. So what we need to do is to put time life and the implementation strategies on who should do what, when, and how. And then we also start soliciting funding from our partners such that we can be able to help in terms of awareness raising, in terms of civic education, in terms of raising and enlightening people about the fees agreement. We need to also support in that. Because sometimes, not everything can be done by the parties. But the problem with applying this pressure and also engaging them to cooperate with us through taking this country forward is that they don't accept to be held. And that is where the issue is. Some time back, I hosted some members of civil society organization in this studio. And there was a plan by civil society organization to call a conference between the parties, the leadership of the parties, the RRCs and the civil society, why the civil society organizations to come into a dialogue, our lining for the voices of people, and one need to be done together so that they move together as people representative. Civil society also have people's representative. Well, how far have this dialogue gone to? These ones are going to take place. And we did this one in much by the way. Yeah, I think you participated in one of the days when we did this one in Parameter Hotel. And we were the one who provoked the parties to the agreement to start the conversation. That was to parties, but the parties' representation was at the lowest level. It was very at the lowest level because they were very allergic to discussing the truth of the matter. So some of them who had come on the first day, they started running away on the second day. And subsequently, they confronted it, but we came up with very good resolution which provoked them now to go and start the discussion. Unfortunately, what they did after getting the idea, they isolated us. Instead of involving us, then we can be able to help them in building the concept of what we really need to do. Even this essential would have been very colorful and beautiful if they had involved the civil society organization. You mean on the panel, a high-level implementation panel. High-level is that that committee, if they had consulted us. That does not have a representative. There is no member of the civil society there. There is no member of the civil society. These are just the parties to the whatever. Mandela, the government. This is a situation where we are getting ourselves. How do we remove ourselves from this situation, Mandela? To me, the situation we're getting into, it's a very horrible one. And where we don't come in to close contact with our political elite simply because they see the CSOs as enemies, because they don't want the truth. That's the truth. If you tell the truth, you are an enemy. And if you speak lies, you press them, you are their partner. So, how do we get from this scenario to me personally as Mandela and to all is to own this country? Once we agree to own this country, once we agree that this country is ours, once we agree that we are supposed to lay a very good foundation, we can come out from this mistress. Because all this, what is taking place-runner is mistress. You know, sometimes the political elite take CSOs to be speaking for another group of people. They think that we speak for the Western world. But we are not in America, we are not in Europe, we are not everywhere, we are in Switzerland. When we come to the city, when we talk, we talk about that poor woman who is somewhere there selling a car for somewhere, and then the city council comes and closes her place. When we talk, we talk about that we do who is drinking dirty water, simply because water does not pass through pipe. We talk about those people who are experiencing gender-based violence somewhere. We even talk about those people who are not sleeping in their houses because of insecurity. So, for us to come together as one people, the way they say one people, one nation, as one CSO, one government, is by understanding that we speak for this country. Like I said, I want to repeat, the country does not belong to the politicians. It does not belong to the CSOs. It is not our personal project. But it is what we can work together to make sure that our future generations live in a country that is properly being laid. Today, when you travel to America, America came like that because some people laid a very good foundation. When you go to Europe, Europe is like this because some people laid a very good foundation. And when you go to Uganda, it is because foundations are being laid. But what is happening to us as a Sudanese? Me, I want to call upon the presidency, my specialty, the president, to be having a state of nation address. Our president is always very silent. He doesn't speak to the people of what is taking place, what is his plan, what is the plan of the government, what is he trying to do in regarding to job creation for the youth, what is he trying to do in regarding to the road connection, what is he trying to do in the getting to the economic empowerment of women and youth. He's silent. So we want our president to be talking to us consecutively. So if you know that once in a month, you can at least make three months. There we can be able to know the plans of the government. But when they are silent, when they are very quiet, by the way, lack of information is sometimes dangerous. So we really need him to talk to us. And, in fact, to supplement what Mandela has said about the address of the president, if this extension was framed by the high-level implementation committee, and then the president will ask his first biased president and all the other biased president, come on the TB or the public platform. And address the administration. Telling them, "Yeah, Jamana, we are so sorry about what has happened. We have been extending and extending and we know you feel that this is like staying in power through backdoor. But this is because ABCD are not in place. And we are requesting you as a country. Because they are holding country in trust for the citizen. We are requesting you as a country to give us at least these two years to try our best. If we fail, then ABCD will happen. - Yeah, they should request from us. - That one would really cool us down. But now, tell them, these other committee to come and tell us that the Bible has given us the power to rule these people, then that may get a very difficult situation for us to even be happy. Believe in them. Yeah, Dr. Ayaj, you know, for us to know that there is trust among them, among the principles who is self-akir and Dr. Ramachar, is when they can come together and speak to us. But as we talk now, Ramachar cannot even travel to other part of the country. Not other part of the country, even to other part of Cuba. But since he came, he is under lockdown as if there is COVID-19. He does not go anywhere. They don't come together and discuss. They don't address the nation. So even there is no trust among the principles who sign the agreement. Does the agreement really exist? Is the agreement really there? Oh, it is Sugakote agreement. So if they are really listening to us, if they are those advisors who are really listening to us, please, we really need to see that our President and the Vice President are really speaking to the nation on TV. Mandela, one thing that I want to remind you of, this is a coalition agreement, an agreement of the parties brought together, the parties that were at each other's neck. And now they are under one government. The politics of individual parties also play in this thing. So this is a difficulty that would make it very hard for them to come out and speak to the country as one people. The government is called the Vitalize Government of Transitional Unity. What do you mean by unity? The unity is that they are accepted to live together, they have left those bad things that make them to quarrel and they have come back to make a very good country. So if you cannot be able to sit together and discuss, that means you are still under conflict. And when you are in conflict, why don't you give us the power back so that we vote with the people that we want. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much, Mandela and Juma in the studio and to all our listeners across the country. Thank you very much for listening to Roundtable on this first session. We shall go for a break and one will return. You will be able to call us on 0 9 1 2 0 6 7 8 7 9 or 0 9 1 2 0 6 8 1 0 1 or you lastly you can call us on 0 9 1 2 0 6 7 9 2 9. Thank you and for the next session of this discussion. Welcome back from the break and you are listening to the Mariah Roundtable with me Yaj Grang in the studio. We have Mulanaj Juma, Mobile Mariah, who is an executive director for alum. Then we have Mandela Isaac, an executive director for Star and all are representing youth and civil society organization in the studio discussing the role of civil society organization and youth in implementing the, in completing the implementation of the extended RRCS. As we know, extension has been done and here we are living within the extended period which begins next year but a few months that remain now are added to the extended period as we are told. Mandela. Yes. Let's talk about two special group year before we give our call us, opportunity to call on the line that I read again and I read before. You represent people with disabilities and extension with all that you have said there is more burden on the people with disabilities. Beside the burden of economic political insecurity that you have mentioned before that apply to almost, to all South Sudanese, accept those living, having some good position for the security. People living with disabilities are having extra burden on them. How do they feel about the extension? What are their dismay? What are their concern? What are their aspiration that were shot cut by, by, by, by, by the extended by extension? Thank you so much. Just like another citizen of this country, the persons with disabilities have lost hope in the current government simply because the current government did not deliver for them. However, I also want to take these, before I talk about their dismay, I want to take this opportunity to thank the President of the Republic, General of South Africa, General of South Africa, my colleague, for acceding to the UN Convention on Rights of Persons with Disability. It has already been signed and South Sudan has been admitted to the Committee of Human Rights. That is in March this year. So for me, this is a very important step but to me always, I do not believe in, you know, acceding to things and not implementing anything. So I really think that with this convince on being signed, it should have started changing the lives of persons with disability. Unfortunately, we are living in a government which is for political parties, which is a negotiated government, or you call it a partial in government, which is really not delivering to the people. Indeed, the persons with disabilities are experiencing a lot of challenges when you come to education, when it comes to employment, when it comes to political representation in the parliament. I remember telling you before that, you know, we as persons with disability, we would think that once the election was done, we would be able to send our own person with disability to be able to speak on behalf of persons with disabilities in the parliament. You know, you know, we had one person. I really want to continue repeating on this radio or in another radio to the extent that the president will take a step and revoke someone who is appointed to represent one person with who has got impairment while serving in the parliament in the parliament. Mr. Bull Andrew Cosmos was elected in 2010 and he became visually impaired. I want to use the language that people use. He became blind while serving in the parliament. But because of the negative attitudes over people, because of the negative belief, they decided to go to the president, I don't know how they made it there, and then they mis-advised him to the extent that he was replaced by somebody, because of being blind. And this guy is devastated. We went to him and did counselling and up to now, he's really, really in a very bad state. It's not because the parliament is supposed to be surviving. But that was his right. He was elected by the people. He has a constituency, that is LaFon constituency number three. So if he was elected by the people of LaFon, who had that audacity to be able to remove him from his position and bring in somebody who was not elected by the people. So I want to use this platform to urge our president, if he's listening to the speaker or to whoever or the chief whip, to making sure that this man who is brought to replace him, his appointment is revoked, he's appointed him and he's revoked, and it's stated. A minute, Mandela, who was elected during 2010- 2010 elections on the whole ticket. In the beginning he came as an independent person, but he joined Espelem. So as we talk about it, he's an Espelem member, he's an Espelem member, he got sick in the parliament and unfortunately he lost his sight. Yes. And I said that that that that would the only reason that met him to lose his position. Yeah, because they think that he cannot deliver and this now he they call them disabled. He's already disabled. He cannot be able to deliver. That was unfortunate. Now that the convention is already being signed, we want to use the convention. We want to use the same convention that the country is signed to making sure that this guy is reinstated to his to his place. So he did it. Did civil society organization try legal avenues? You know, for me, for us as a staff, we tried raising it. I went to, I wrote later, I took it to the speaker, right, a honorable speaker, Jimanu Nukumba. I met him in the legal, the legal advisor in the parliament. We wrote, even I call media, we spoke, we really did our level best. But you know, sometimes for us to reach the highest level is not that easy, because there are a lot of obstacles, the way he more than I said, we have a lot of obstacles in that student. But the media can make them listen to us. So we want them to act and really reinstate this guy to his place. If they reinstate this guy to his place, that will show that they really have, they value each and everybody in this country. Now, coming back to the question, what do a minute, what do people elected to him say? I did not travel to the foreign constitution, but what I know, we have been engaging with his community here in Nukumba, and we even went several times with the chairman of his chairperson of the community, to the parliament, to making sure that this guy is brought back. We even went with his campaign manager, we went there, people are really thinking that people are really working hard to making sure that this guy is reinstated. But I think the obstacles are there, right from the parliament and up to date. So you know, I want to say that persons with disabilities were experiencing a lot of challenges when you come to education, when you come to employment, and now we're carrying economic situation. This is very worse on us. If you can say that there is something called miracle, just like Arasad Surin as we're living at the miracle of God, we don't need to look for another miracle to be performed by certain prophet. The miracle is already being justified, because somebody is not working, but it's surviving, it's living. How? So this is already the miracle I talk about, but now that there's more than mana falling from. Yeah, it's more than mana, because if you're not having a payment sheet, you don't sign it. How do you survive? I want to say, as Arasad Surin is, who I've lost hope in this government, we want to say that we now pray that these two years, these two years will give us that hope to be able to elect people, to be able to be represented at one level of government, as as we talk right now, the situation of persons with disabilities in Dubai is a little bit okay. But I've been travelling all over, Arasad Surin, I went that side of unity state. I was also in the people, I went to Eastern Ecotore, I went to Eastern Ecotore, and to add to Arasad Surin, the situation of persons with disabilities is a little very dire, and some of them, even they die of hunger, nobody talks about them. Now we have flooding affecting them, nobody can be able to think about them, bringing them assistive devices, not even food, we need assistive devices, they are not there, so the situation is bad, you get it, I don't even wear it to start from bad. We still have hope. If God kept us alive, since 2011 up to now, we still have hope that tomorrow we'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. We have Mount Lewis, which is a good progress, we have Mount Lewis who is already representing persons with disabilities at the NCRC, but right now, last time talked that that is a drop in the ocean, he cannot be enough, but we just pray that enough persons with disabilities come into different positions so that we can be able to speak, not only for the voices of persons with disabilities, but for all such students, because we have members, we come from their family, we have relatives, we have seen them, how they are suffering, including us, so we don't talk about persons with disabilities alone, but exclusively as persons with disabilities, the situation is not that good. So we really want to call upon our government to really now change the attitude, we really want to call upon our government to develop that political will, it is only through the political will, that's when we can realize a very good country, it's only through political will, that's when you can know that our citizens are first, not ourselves, us leaders are first, let us put the country first and the people first. Thank you. Thank you very much. Molana, lastly before I gave open lines for our callers to participate in the discussion, Molana, can you highlight an entry point for Tomayini in this extension? Tomayini is a peace process for benefit of our listeners, it's a peace process that is running parallel to the RRCs in Nairobi, it's a process that is still ongoing, not finalized, but is expected to be on board in its implementation in the country. And then for a few months now, Tomayini has not been hot, for a few months now things are stuck. So where do we stand now? I know you are in communication with your members of civil society organization representing you in Tomayini peace process. Yeah, Tomayini peace stop was very integral in as far as the extension is concerned and he is to bring the whole out group back to the country such that South Sudanese can embrace comprehensive peace going forward. Unfortunately like any other peace negotiation and agreement, it also has its approach to us, there are people who don't want it to happen for political and personal interests. Within the country? Within the country. And therefore, the other group also from the to Maini which is the whole out group have a lot of ambitions in as far as what should be happening when they come to South Sudan is concerned. So this is driven to Maini into different direction, but all is not lost because the eight protocols were already signed and then they were looking at the power sharing metric whereby the power can be shared between the whole out group and the article. And that is where people are stuck. So a team from the government had come back to break the presidency and also the article now about the way forward. But before the team could go back and finalize or another thing, then the extension came in. The news that I have now is that the members of the high-level committee travel to Nairobi and maybe the president have given them the instruction on what need to be done or there are to go now. You mean the members of high-level government is entering and provincial committee. The committee that is headed by. By Tutka. By Tutka. And then how about the delegates? Yeah, that is now the quackmire because we don't know what happened to the delegates that were in charge of the negotiation, of the peace agreement because in the gribine there was an issue that they were being sidelined even during the extension because they were seem to be pushing too much about the Tutmaini, then they are to go now extension and that brought a lot of, there is no evidence to that the allegation anyway, but they say it's also done, rumors. Oh, I was. Rumors are news. Rumors are news. Rumors are news. So, what is happening now is that there are people who are pulling back and forth on the Tutmaini. But if you read the Tutmaini, it's a good document, but the only thing that need to be done by the team in Tutmaini and also the article is to open up their interests because now they are pulling a different direction and that cannot bring anything on the table. But if they are to sign the Tutmaini and incorporate it into the extended agreement and come up with a very good and strategic framework on the way forward, I think it can bring hope back to the source of that. How helpful are you about the finalization of the Tutmaini process? If the President and the first Vice President agree and apply political will and give an instruction to the teams, then the Tutmaini can be signed. If we talk of some subattour to the Tutmaini peace process, and earlier on, you mentioned some instructors to Artiguno, are they the same individuals or they are different individuals playing this process? Mostly, the high level implementation committee are number one in the obstruction of the Tutmaini initiative, and then there are individuals who are within the government and also outside the government, who see some individual within the whole out group, the direct political rivals, and they don't want them to be back to the country because as soon as they come back, then they are going to remove them from their position and that is where the war is now. The Tutmaini is a good hope because it can bring back the people together, and then we move forward together instead of having the extension yet and implementing peace agreement while there are other people who are still outside. That is the only important part about it. I want to get this thing, and I think our listeners would want to get it from you and you, Molana, that the people you name as instructors are the same people you also call super tours in the enterprise. Of course, that is one of the same things. Mandela, your take on this. I think there is nothing much to add, like what we said, people really, the current people in this current arctic on the government are really very scared of what will happen once the Tutmaini comes into force. So they will try their level best to making sure that this Tutmaini doesn't take place so that they continue remaining in their powers. So even you have seen Molana said that the high level committee has trouble to Nairobi. Why would they even travel to Nairobi rather than the delegates who are there? So you can see the paradox behind that. So I think to me, I really want to really question them here that please, do not take your interest for a beyond Satsudhanis interest. If it too many is to bring a total peace to this country, why not give it a chance? And even these people, those guys who are the whole group Satsudhanis, they are not foreigners. Why do we want to obstruct them from coming to Satsudhan? So do not personalize Satsudhan and do not personalize, do not make Satsudhanis your own project. Allow to manage to take place the way it is. That's what I can just call. But otherwise, the instructors are really there. The high level committee are really, really obstruct us. Thank you so much. Thank you very much, Mandela. To all our listeners who have just joined us, join us. We are discussing the role of youth and civil society organizations in completing the implementation of the extended RRCs and in the studio, we have Mr. Mandela Isaac, executive director of STAR, who just concluded our discussion in the studio. And then we have Molana, Juma, Mabur, Mariel, executive director for ALAM. And now our lines are open to call 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-8-7-9 or 0-9-1-2-0-6-8-1-0-1 or 0-9-0-9-1-2-0-6-7-9-2-9. Yes. Hello. Right, Mariah. Hello. Right, Mariah. I think we have a problem with line, our technicians are resolving it. Please keep on calling. Yes, Mandela, you wanted to say something. Yeah, I was saying something. There was a mockery statement that was issued by the cabinet minister when he said that they were given to rule this country by God, despite of the fact that Satsudin is already suffering and Satsudin is a calling for election, and you are saying you were instructed to rule this country by God. I would rather think he had... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, in your point before the request. Yeah, I got him. Yeah. Hello? Yes. Good morning. Yes. Good morning. Isaac, where are you calling from? I can recognize your voice, Isaac. Yes. Well, thank you. Maria, I'm calling in. I still am here. Yes. Thank you so much. I have some co-phones of questions on this. And by the way, Ariel, I appreciate the knowledge, the way the talk, if whatever discuss being implemented by our people, then we should have to exactly put the country to a hit of good hope so that our people should also have that a heart of having a country. Thank you. But my worry is implementation sometime. When people are talking, even our leaders, they have deviates, deviates over, on one hour, intellectual use are telling them. But if they could have to be listening to us, it would be better to so that they can do also action. My transformation is saying, what is the role of civil society in giving a pressure to the 40s so that they cannot be dragging us down like that, saying all the time and attention. I hope very well, if people have sat down on a serious and serious society, there should be another extension again. I want to ask, what will civil society do and the people of South Sudan, in case it's the government, will also fail again to attend the period of that mandate, which they say that is our technology again to 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, and here we read 20, 30. What will you do at the people who are concerned about the people in the Republic of South Sudan? My other question is, as you can see now, we have lost direction. In terms of the economics and also other terms in the security terms. Now in real time, how do you expect the life of the normal civil society in South Sudan, especially during this Christmas coming first of all, season, season, how will you expect even you will be having even a healthy family to go and bring the closest that in the market while things are still skyrocketing, what are the planning so that we should have to see a stable economic situation in the Republic of South Sudan. My last question is, what are the challenges facing the civil society so that sometimes that is shocking them not to do whatever people are expecting from them. Thank you. Thank you very much, Isaac. There was Isaac and let now receive another call. Hello. Right, Emreya. Good morning. Right, Emreya. Good morning, your name and your question. I am John G. from Miya Saba. Yeah, raise your voice, we are not getting you well, John, from Miya Saba. Yeah, so my question is clear to Mandel Isaac and I might say, because it's my name for Thailand. Yeah, let me speak up, Mandel, I can't hear you in this today, Me Too. Yeah, this is the question of this country, my media, Thailand, how many times do you use of South Sudan as being speaking and there is nothing, how many times do you have been speaking, there is nothing, so I hope that Mandela was saying that the youth has to think or we have to speak and now it will look into the youth of the day, some of us have been drinking water, you know, getting this work, they become much and then the other youth are being divided among the jurisdictions, so it's more than right in that way, so as there is of this country, it's a Jewish elite, Thailand, so we have to pick fire, maybe there is a Jewish elite with this country. Thank you so much, John in Miya Saba, this is quite unfortunate, you can see John articulating what you this way are facing, the only strategy there is left and right is silence, maybe keeping quiet will send a message to you, but keeping quiet also killing yourself, imagine you see it, some are taking into drugs, some are taking to alcohol and they are dying indirectly, are we can silence, send a message, I think Mandela this is this is the question to you, let us see what I have to call, hello, ready Brian, good morning, good morning, there Magog, yes, yeah Magog, go ahead, let me welcome your guest in this video, there is Devin Magog and Wowya, thank you Magog, thank you David, this is the first time you brought the right people who are representing South Sudanese, thank you so much, I have two questions to them, the youth are being shitted, that you are the leaders of tomorrow instead of being leaders of today and that's why you have seen many of them divide themselves, instead of playing a good politics to support ourselves, we are supporting the old generation now, running after your uncle and whatever, now what will be the way forward so that we convince the youth to come and stand at our right side, to look into the problems of the leaders now are playing a dirty politics of power sharing government, because it becomes a password for them to remain in power instead of giving to the citizens, number two the citizens are not aware completely, what is the government, what is the use of the government, what do the people benefit from the government, because they don't know completely and that's why you do see people don't talk about it and that's what you have mentioned before that the river doesn't have crocodiles, because the people don't know it, lastly if the leaders completely don't do anything to the people of South Sudan, youth civil society, do you have an alternative to invite the international community or the other community that will come and rescue the situation of South Sudanese or not. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. David Magog, and congratulations David is saying, this is the first time for the last six years I have been doing this thing, this is the first time I have been the right people who are representing the people of South Sudan. We appreciate the company. Thank you. The company Magog is really being touched with the citizens of this country and I have been following him calling me right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Hello, Adam Raya. Yes? Yes. Why you are talking to David? Just my item is running off. The important point I want to say is the special election is very bad. So you need to encourage our leaders also to come back with the election back. Yeah. You want to talk more? I will talk more by my other day. You can reload. Yeah. Thank you so much. You are calling for election. Yeah. Hello, Adam Raya. Yes. Yes. Yes. Your name and your question? Good morning. Good morning. So you are now together with a guy from good country. Yeah. A guy from which country? Go ahead. So at the top it's very nice to have my idea. I do appreciate you and the last day there are now with you in video. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Now we just, we just, we just, we just, we just, as, as it was, as it was in a corner, not in our, not in our, not in our, of our society. So right now, again, I show me about it. Yeah. The piece is talking about the piece. Hello. We lost him. Sorry for that. Hello. Yes. Hello. You are speaking to Robert. Honorable Robert. I mean for me. Yeah. Honorable Robert. Welcome. Thank you. I just want to ask you. Okay. First of all, the protocol remain observed. Yeah. No, I understand the people you have received you, they are talking the right. But I'm adding them to give the leaders time. You know, when you look at this here in the college piece agreement, it has given us opportunity of relevant peace in the country where we are trying to move. Look at the extension will be peacefully. Even extension will not peacefully. You would have seen many uprising people may be causing a lot of problems. But I've seen everybody is walking on the right path. I'm looking at the language also we use in the studio. We use the language that we should encourage the leaders to walk on the right direction. But if we continue criticizing them, nothing will be good. Like my mother, President, that he won the president to come to this. We have Honorable Robert. They are the one updating his visit. So let's give them time and let them move forward. Let's continue making that. We extend peacefully. People continue leaving. We get a look at now like those days. Believe me, as I'm talking here, there's a relevant peace to realize. People are coming back from exile. People are trying to settle. So this is what I'm looking at. Let's not, not just rush. So that when we rush, we will break the car and the things will be bad. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. That's the opinion. Thank you. We appreciate the opinion. That is yours. Thank you. Okay. Now let us see if one more call before we give you opportunity to respond to the questions. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. of the uncles and actually the followers of those who want to sit on the power. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Now let come to text messages. We have this one from, he didn't say his name, and he said, "Good morning, right, I'm right. Thanks for the roundtable discussion. My concern is about how pregnant our society is in terms of unity or purpose. My question, then the question did not come. Then this one from Alfred Mayan Dio in from Shabbat, a county in Lake State. The government of South Dan had failed to pay 11 months salary of civil servants and also failed. I think the messages are getting truncated. Then we have this one from Kalaman Karumadut-Alluk from Awil. I know this should be from Awil. I wonder why do telecom companies increase tariff when the issue was raised by the National Ministry. Okay, he's talking about, "Good morning, right, I'm Raya. Call me John Asinto, Bhagawa from Eso County. We slept well tonight, but this morning, just the price of communities. This guy is a big dog from from Greater Pibo, a administrative area, he didn't ask the question. Then we have the same big dog. I think those were just comments from texts. Then we shall chat with you, we shall have your questions from Facebook. Let me begin with Madeleine's two minutes to respond. Then we come to Duma Mambur, two minutes to respond before we take another cycle. The questions are many, but I want to summarize them for the interest of time. I want to start with Hon Rob Bolinier saying that everything is okay. Let's give these leaders time. The leaders like President like Sal Fakir and Rang Mashair do not have the right to come because Michael McCoy is there, he's there and he will always be there. If you borrow the best practices in other countries, people they present and address the nation. They're not addressing the nation because they didn't have what to do, but it is their duty to address the nation. It is good to listen from your father, even you Hon Rob Bolin as a father, if you don't address your children at home, then you are a bad father. Even you as a Hon Rob Bolin member of parliament, I believe if you are a member of parliament for Central Qatar, I said over what I don't know, if you don't go to a constituency and talk to them and you say maybe you're a manager to talk to the constituency, then you are in a wrong place. But we expect our president to talk to us. We want to hear from him, we want to see what is his plan for this country, what is Rang Mashair's plan for this country. That's why it's a must that he has to talk to us because other people also do it and it's a right for a father to talk to his kids. Two, you talk about things are getting okay. No, things are not getting okay. People were attacked at the Caulipa point a way to to to to to to to to to to to yay, in the greater yay, we talk about the Khajiit people were killed. There are four people were attacked in the in the in the market center in in in in in in in one rule by you two were killed. So what are you talking about which piece are you talking about? Yes, in other countries, once you lose life or one person, the chief of staff over the commander can resign. That is accountability, but what happens after losing almost more than more than 15 youth people people died. Nobody talked about it. People talked about it, but no action taken. So you expect us to keep quiet. We cannot keep quiet. This our country in a life lost in this country is very important to us. It's very dear to us. And we have to make sure that accountability takes precedence. Coming to our youth, Magok, you ask a very good question. And also my colleague from Miya Saba, he said silence could be the best answer for him. My brother silence is a very good instrument leading you to trauma. You already talked about people committing suicide. No, people already taking alcohol, you know, people are taking alcohol, people taking drugs, sorry, they die because they don't live in a country where services are not being delivered. But the best way is to talk. People talk so that they can listen to what you say. Even the Bible say you ask and you shall receive, you know, can the door shall be open, you seek and shall find it. Well, he said before, you know, they all talking have been tried. They were right. Mariah has done a lot of things. Yes, right. But but it is in the result. So the only strategy is to keep quiet. Radio Miriah should continue bringing people to talk to such who they will listen. You know, let me take you, but during the referendum, people talked and people voted for the separation of this country. Why not? We can also do the same here. So when I talk here, and the Marlena talks and Dr. H getting talk and you also talk and our colleagues also talk, we'll find such who they need speaking with one voice. And once we begin talking one voice, everything will be OK. So David Magog, I understand the frustration. You know, this country is for all of us. As youth, once we unite, once we stop following our uncles, once we stop following our politicians, once we realize that this country is for us, we are 75% and over 70% of the population is youth. Once we think of when we develop a unit of purpose, we can take this country forward. It is time to point fingers. It's time to call a spread, a spread, not to pretend. Like what Marlena said, those who are leading the country wrongly, we point them out if they present, listen, so that he easily decrees for them to go out. So you are a regular column of Miriah FM, you've been contributing so so good. And I was aware also contributing so well, when we when we when we become so many, I think the president will be able to center. I am telling I want to tell you the truth. Mr. Salfaki is very good president, but he's only surrounded by a wall fence of obstacles. That wall fence needs to be broken. And once we break that wall fence, things will be will get to his ears and will be able to act. This guy was with John Green in in during the struggle. He knows the vision of S-Pelem, but there are some people who have come in to really destroy the vision of S-Pelem. Mr Mr President, Salfaki Ramayarid, we do not want this people who are destroying the vision of S-Pelem. Please, if you can listen to us, and if you already know them, I know you already know them, please, we need to hear a decree taking them to go out, let them go and become farmers and let the country move forward. Thank you so much. And others will be finished by number. Thank you so much. Are you a member of S-Pelem? I am not a member of S-Pelem, I'm a civil society activist, and I know that S-Pelem has a vision. If the vision of S-Pelem is to take down to the villages, that's what the CEOs are calling for, because we don't want people to be coming from the village to be treated in Cuba. You know, I just followed some news yesterday that people have to travel from Condokoro to come to school here in Cuba. People travel through bots. They come through the bots. While even school school, we take into Condokoro. What happened to the leaders of Condokoro? So, that is what we say by taking down to villages, making the roads connects up. This is a vision that is well-shurried by ever S-Pelem is by S-Pelem. Thank you so much, Mandela. Molana? Yeah, I will be very brave because Mandela has handled a lot of questions. I will go to Batali, our civil society member from Eastern New Portoria. Batali, we have civil society forum, it's also done civil society forum, and we also have also done civil society alliance, and so many other land that are being hosted in Cuba. And therefore, what you can do is to visit some of the offices of these people, and they will tell you the coordination on how we collaborate with civil society, actors, and also our members at the state and subnational level. So, I think that is what we can do, but the objective is that we need to reach each other as much as possible. When I come to Sonora Bolemyn, although he has been answered by Mandela, I just want to give us a parliamentary. Yes, we are sorry, if the language that we might have used has really touched so much on some of our leaders, but that is the essence of public issues. You know, you have to talk and coal is paid as paid. There's nothing that is responsible. Yeah, so it is not the personal, even if I meet the anybody from the high-level implementation committee now, we shall continue discussing them. But the issue of time, vulnerable, is what I want us to disagree on. It has been 19 years since we became Salif independent. From 2005, up until now, is 19 good years. And we have not gone for a single democratic election. Nothing has improved in this country. So how am I time to be very vulnerable? How am I time do you want us to give our leaders? Yes, we can give our Salif time when we know we are moving in the right direction, but we are moving backward, backward and backward. So that time is not relevant. And it is about time that we start doing something. When I come to our colleague, Mani Mathyan, yes, Magok was saying that use are being cheated or being called the leaders of tomorrow. That is just an strategy to keep you out of the public office. And I think you are right that we need to tell the youth to change their direction. And Mandela said it. If we stop following uncles, if we stop not telling them the truth and we continue to massage their ego, then we will end up being called the leaders of tomorrow. That is never coming. Yeah, of course, this is a common statement that you are a leader of tomorrow because tomorrow can be made better such that it can wait for you. But if the tomorrow is being deconstructed now, then what tomorrow are we telling our Salif. So it is our collective responsibility to ensure that we mobilize our youth, we reach out to our youth and inform them that this is what we need to do. Last but not the least, I may not answer all the questions. But to Mani Mathyan, you know, he said that what do we do to sustain the life of our citizen, especially now that the first steps are coming. The good news is that the oil opened last week or it will start opening this week. The cartoon team was here yesterday and I think our team was there the other day. So if the oil proceeds start coming back, this money that always goes to individual pocket comes back and the government finds it as a priority to give the civil servant their money. Even for just six months, you say you give six months salaries to the civil servant, this can help the households to take care of themselves during the first step season and they can buy their children food and clothes. So I think because of time, I may not be able to address all the questions. Yeah, we come back to our policy now, still have opportunity. The next five minutes to respond to, I mean to ask your question, 09106 091 2 0 6 7 8 7 9 0 9 1 2 0 6 8 1 0 1 or 0 9 1 2 0 6 7 9 7 8. Please receive. Hello, ready. Hello. Hi. Hi. Hi, I'm Martin. Martin, your question briefly please. Okay. So, thank you. Martin is asking from Ben Thio if the government does not listen to you in the studio the way you talk. What will you do? Hello, right, Amraya? Yes? Yeah. I was cut off by my work before in Ben Thio. Oh, is this all? Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. One minute, please. Okay. Well done. Well, so now, now, you know, there is a arbitration and there is a constitutional line. Now, now, there are no moments. There is no moment from from all the parties. If not, there is, if there is, if there is no moment from all the parties, do you think that there is a good deal? Thank you so much. Guy from Ben Thio, if there is no movement, if if nothing is being done, do you think there will be peace? Hello, right, Amraya? Yeah, good. Yes. Sorry for coming back. Let me, I just have one minute question. No, the 30 minutes question, man. Okay, 30 seconds. 30 seconds. Not 30 minutes. Thank you for the pressure. Okay. By the way, I have one question. Do you know who is the citizen most of us at the graduate? And if you can see people are loitering, they doesn't have work. And that is definitely resulting into the first one will lose the population in the rest. Because most of the youth are saying now without marriage, including me, if I read that it is without getting how we attract that we will be also done in terms of human race. So we need the government to also give the opportunities for the youth so that because that the countercurrents also should be there, you should be fine out in this youth. Okay. So that they should have to foot up down the head of the other generation. Thank you so much. 36 years without getting married, man is concerned. And this is it because he is a graduate, he is a graduate, but he does not have a work to raise something for him. Hello, Madam Raya? Hello. Yes. Good morning. I'm Autumn from Malacca, a great hapani. Welcome. Who does from Malacca? Autumn. Autumn. Autumn, yes. I would like to say thank you generally and also for the cases in this video with you. Thank you. Welcome. Okay. My question is because the peace agreement, the government will do if they again in 2016. Thank you very much. What will they do if they don't do elections and enter transition? Hello, Raya. So we can take money? Yes. The more we gain, Safari is roundtable. Sorry, I've been away with our connectives. I mean, I mean, welcome back. Welcome back. Yeah. Thank you. Hello. Okay. Now, let me come to Molana to respond to the question. We are winding up our discussion. Respond to the questions and any other question that you might have forgotten during the first cycle, then you can respond to Molana? Yeah, I think the other question that was being asked is the challenge. It is that way the civil society and I can couple this question with what can you do if the government does not listen to you? Of course, civil society does not have guns and we don't have weapons to force somebody to do something. But then we have the powers of standing with the boys less than the citizen of South Sudan. And what we can continue to do is to keep on calling on the people of South Sudan to inform the government that we are not interested in all that you are still doing. And it will be good that some of these government officials get to understand the feeling of the South Sudanese. In fact, most of them are not delivering in denial, but they know the reality that no South Sudanese is happy with what is happening. So that is enough by itself that when you know what you are doing, people are aware of it, then it will give you your conscience. It will not always be good. You can see them in B8, you can see them enjoying in suits, but they know that people are not happy. So that in itself will one day ask them to come and sit down and then they make a decision for the well-being of the people of South Sudan. And then a lack of employment opportunities, that is a very big social and economic question that again goes back to the government because if you can be able to open up opportunities for people who have graduated from the university, then there is no reason why somebody who has graduated and if that is a year should not be having a family because it is a constitutional right under the Bill of Rights, that you have the right to found a family and therefore it is incumbent upon the government to ensure that you give opportunities that will enable these young people to get their resources and found the family. So I think our brother, I feel he's been and that is why sometime also you don't need to wait to marriage with 100 cows, in fact in other contexts. You need to start, if you have somebody who loves you and you enter into agreement with the family, you start from somewhere. But the years do not come up with you. You know, yeah, yeah, exactly. If you cannot feed yourself, then you are desperate to bring on a family. So these are the economic disadvantages that we have. Now the civil society, some of the challenges that we have and I need to get back to man and all those that have asked about the challenges that civil society has is one, the intimidation because we have been a rush. People are intimidating us when the year is talking about the right. Sometimes when I meet government officials, they would tell me, "Juma, why are you forcing the government?" I said, "I'm not forcing the government. I'm trying to tell you what you need to do." And that is where some of the people have sent themselves because they cannot be able to speak out for fear of retaliation from the government officials. The civil society also do not have the funding. You know, for you to go to Eastern Equatoria, to go to unity, to go to Malakal, you must have, in order to raise awareness among the people, you must have the resources to do that. And this has been a problem. And then insecurity come on. If you go as a member of the civil society, there are people who don't see you as a civil society, they see you as a government agent and you are even very far from the government and they would not even want to listen to what you are saying. So these are some of the factors that we need to consider and we understand the frustration that our people are going through and that is why we can continue to make noise and ensure that the government listen to what we say about the crisis that we are in on behalf of the people of science. Make a necessary noise. Mandela? Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Juma, for answering these questions. I just want to reiterate in regards to unemployment, which is really high among our youth. People, sometimes our government officials will go and say, "No, it is not the government to create a job." But I say they lie. Right now, in the election, that is taking place in the U.S., the contentious issues about job creation. It is a government responsibility to create job to each citizen. How can they create a job by creating a very conducive environment to encourage investors to come to this country? Investors do not want their money to come and just get spoiled. How can they create that conducive environment? One is the issue of security. Two is the issue of electricity and the other one is the issue of being honest, not being corrupt. Once you are not a corrupt country, people will want to invest in your country. Once you have that enough electricity, people come and invest in the country. And once you have that security, they will come and invest. So for all this time, our government has failed in that and we expect the government to be able to set their house, put their house in order to encourage investors to come here to the youth. There is a lot of suicide taking place. Just last week, we hear about a girl, 16-year-old girl, committing suicide. Another lady committing suicide and invent you, suicide, suicide over suicide. Even people are saying that NGOs will go and talk to the people. Why are they committing suicide? Sometimes these are this frustration that are happening in this country. But now, we want to encourage, instead of you committing suicide, or instead of you taking alcohol, or instead of you taking drugs, please speak to a friend. A friend can be able to advise you. A friend can be able to give you what to do. Your last word, my last word, that my last word goes to the president. The president, you said clearly that you are looking for the right person. Once you get the right person, you will stop making decrease. But you are saying you are still surrounded with a lot of people who are not right. You are removing the department of finance. But they are people. They advise us. They are the people in the high-level committee who are not telling the truth. Please, can we hear a decree so that they go home and into open way for good things to happen in this country? Thank you so much. The series of films. Juma, your last remark. My last remark is let the government, the government especially, make sure that the extended period does not go with a lot of excuses again. Let them put some milestone in place. Constitution is the statistic, which is the population census. And then security, arrangement. It all this one means. Let them to my enemies initiative be incorporated into the extended period. So that all of us can now be able to sit in one bus and drive also down to the right destination. Thank you so much, Molana and Mandela Isaac for this insightful discussion on the roundtable. To all our listeners across the country and beyond, you have been listening to Radmariar roundtable with me. 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