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2835: Nationwide. Commemorating United Nations Day
(upbeat music) - Nationwide, we'll bring you latest current issues, discussions and information. (upbeat music) Nationwide on Radio Miraya. - Hello, good evening and welcome to Nationwide Today. My name is Lucy Kiden. Now, today we'll look at a very interesting topic. We're approaching UN Day that is marked every year on 24th October, and so this anniversary is of the entry into force of the 1945, the UN Charter, and with the ratification of this founding document, the United Nations officially came into being. And so UN Day celebrated every year, offers the opportunity to amplify United Nations' common agenda and to reaffirm the purposes and principles of the UN Charter that have guided us for the past 79 years. And so today for all countries to come together to fulfill the promise there is an urgency. It's rarely been greater. And so today, as South Sudan commemorates the day here in Juba, the celebrations will be at the University, Juba University main campus, and activities to mark the day will include an art exhibition on the theme of building a future together and a better future, and UN agencies will also showcase their work, and there will be a health camp offering testing services and blood donation. And so to get more information on this, and just to look at some of the work of the UN in the country, getting updates, and possibly future projects joined by officials from UNDP, UNOPS, and WFP. They're all here to share information on the UN Day with a focus on transforming governance and turbocharging, which is boosting the implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development in South Sudan. Well, let me introduce my guests. From UNDP, we have Catherine Waliola. She is the governance advisor there. Catherine, you're welcome. - Thank you. Good evening to our listeners. - Yes, and then we have Patro Nella Halwindi, who is country manager for UNOPS in South Sudan. You're very welcome, Patro Nella. - Thank you very much, and good evening listeners. - Good evening to you too. And then we have Vincent Kiwanuka, who is the head of Smallholder Agriculture Market Support here in South Sudan. He's from WFP. You're very welcome Vincent. - Thank you, good evening listeners. - Right, well, remember that as we continue with the show, you're welcome to ask questions. You're welcome to call in later on and ask your questions or even give comments. And when you do this, you'll be able to share. You can do that by dialing by dialing on 0-9-12-1771-4-1. That is the SMS line. You can text this line 0-9-12-1771-4-1. You can also call on these numbers. Please take note 0-9-12-0-6-7-8-7-9, or 0-9-12-0-6-7-9-2-9, and 0-9-12-0-6-8-1-0-1. All right, now getting to our topic for the day. As we talk about UN day first, let's get to know our guests a little bit, starting with you Vincent, the only man in the room. (laughing) - Thank you once again, David Ingral, listeners. My name is Genesé Vincent de Quarnuca. I hate the small world agriculture market support in South Sudan country office. - Yes. - And I'm based here in Juba, working strongly with communities that are hugely impacted by the climatic shocks to ensure that we can develop more sustainable livelihoods for them. - Yes, can I ask you how long have you been working in the specific department? - I've actually been working for WFP over the last 14 years, and specifically focusing on building capacities. - Okay, is this in South Sudan or UN? - In South, within the World Food Programme, and specifically in South Sudan over the last four years. - Four years. - I'm working with communities across the different states, specifically looking at those that are most vulnerable to address and build their capacities, not only to respond in terms of saving lives, but also changing and transforming the way they adapt to climatic shocks, because at the end of it they will have to realize that some of these shocks are not only about South Sudan. - Yes. - And the impact is not just because South Sudan is maybe destroying the environment, but these are consequences of actions that are way outside the country. So we have to build their capacity to see how best they can adapt. - Oh, yes. - So we really look at all areas that are impacted by the natural shocks, as well as the man-made, like the localized conflicts, to see how best either they can adapt or be able to predict the shocks and develop the mitigation measures to ensure that they can sustain their livelihood. - Good. We'll get deeper into your work and how it has been of impact throughout the years, but what I've gotten is you've worked for the UN, specifically WFP for 14 years, and out of those four you've been in South Sudan. What about you, Petronella? - Yes. - Petronella is actually brand new to the UN system. - Oh, interesting. - Yes, I am. I joined the UN in January of 2024, as country manager for South Sudan. So this is my very first post as part of the UN system in South Sudan. - So where were you before that? - Previously, I worked with Farm Africa in Uganda for three years, and then I worked with Hepha International before that for 17 years in Zambia and in Malawi. So I come in as country manager, having served as a country director for two different international NGOs. - Wow. - But really excited to be seeing the amazing work that the UN system is delivering in South Sudan. Can I ask then what inspired you to join the UN and specifically come to South Sudan? - I was definitely inspired by the challenge of being part of a bigger organization, challenged by the aspiration of the one UN and thinking about how we can work together, joining our hands to do huge impact, especially in a country like South Sudan where the need, I think, has been great. In all the countries that I have served, I will tell you that I've seen the greatest need in South Sudan. And for me, that challenge is what really informed my decision to come and see what I could contribute to creating in South Sudan. - Lovely. Thank you for that. And coming to you now, Catherine. Catherine, how long have you worked for the UN in South Sudan? Yes, tell us a bit more. - Thank you, Lucy. I have worked for the UN and particularly for UNDP for over 18 years. But I have been in South Sudan. This is my second time. I keep telling people over and over the same when you drink from the night you'll tend to come back. - Mm-hmm. - I did come back. I first was in South Sudan from 2012 up to 2016 and left after the crisis of 2016. And then I came back in 2022 in August. So I'm doing two years, this is my third year again, coming to South Sudan. So this is very much a part of me. South Sudan is home for me. - Yes. - Yeah. All right. Thank you, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. And so now, getting to the details of the context of South Sudan, especially in your work, most of you have worked outside South Sudan, all of you, actually. And now you have the experience here. So let's continue with you, Catherine, in this context where governance has frequently been challenged by conflict and instability. How is the UN supporting efforts to build resilient and inclusive governance systems that can only respond to not only crisis, but also ensure long-term sustainable development and peace for all citizens. And this goes specifically to you because you are a governance advisor. So yes, go ahead. Thank you very much. I think we have to bring that to South Sudan by itself in this situation, majorly because of a governance issue. The conflict, the crisis, the ongoing difficulties are part of a governance problem that continues to affect South Sudan right from independence. Yes. When in supporting South Sudan, even before independence, when Sudan was part of the Sudan, South Sudan was part of the Sudan, has looked at supporting the government's totality because we say that in the absence of governance, then you'll find that over things, you'll find lack of peace, you'll find lack of provision of basic services, you'll find lack of accountability. So really, what the UN is doing is to support the government in its totality, all the three arms of government, to make sure that you are able to support what they do, and they are able to deliver, to provide the required services, the people of South Sudan. I think you're not allowed to say that looking, we support each of us in what we do. We work with one or either three arms of the government, the executive, the legislature, and the judicial system. And we do provide support in many, many ways. But looking at the governance aspect, it is important to note that right from the top, if we look at the executive arm of government, that looks at the overall governance of a government that looks at policy making, that looks at implementing of the laws, that would be a very, is a very important aspect that the UN supports. So you'll find all agencies, UNDP, UNICEF, UNAFP, one or another, we engage with various components of the legislature in policy making, in making laws, in implementing, in supporting the implementation of those laws. So we work very closely with the executive part of the government to support that they are able to handle the crisis that South Sudan goes through, but also to be able to create systems, and an enabling environment that helps them to ensure that the crisis does not continue. We also support a lot the legislature, and as you would know, it has three key roles, to make laws, to oversight, and to represent the people. Right now in South Sudan, the legislature is not, might not be an elected body in totality, but it still has a very key role of making laws, of oversight in the government. So we support the national legislative assembly, we support the state assembly, and you will see that each one of us, whether we are looking at forming laws that enhance local governance, that enhance farming, that enhance water, that enhance infrastructure, we are doing this through supporting the legislature, because they make the laws, and they then oversee, to make sure that the laws they make are representative, a representative, that they include everyone, that they go out to support the governance structure, but also to ensure that in future, we don't have the crisis going on and on. And finally, we work with the judiciary, which is a very key part in ensuring that we can manage conflict, that we have arbitration, that we have ways of redressing things, and they don't go beyond that. So in many ways, we work with the judiciary, we work with the justice system in its totality, the police, the prisons, we have in Juba, for example, we have a very special item we call the GBV court. All these efforts towards making sure that we are able to find ways of redressing problems, and that then a government can manage issues, can manage people, can retain and can observe the social contract has with its people, ensure that everybody feels represented, and is able to feel part of the nation. Wow, that's a lot that UNDP is doing. And did you mention the mobile courts? I'd have loved you to touch on that. Yes, I will do that. It's part of what I just mentioned, working with the judiciary, yes. Which is a key component. In the absence of that, then we don't have an arbiter, we don't have a pointer twitch, we go and have our issues redressed. So we do have, because of the lack of personnel in the first place across the country, the judiciary requires a lot of infrastructure in terms of the courts, in terms of the prisons, in terms of the holding cells, and the systems that we need to put in place, we do not have that. We need personnel that are trained, be it the judges, the court clerks, the lawyers, the probation officers, all these people who support the judiciary, the prisons office and all that. We do not have these things across the country, of course, as we know, because of the crisis, and because of what has happened in South Sudan. So we do support the mobile courts, so that we are able to ensure that the last person in South Sudan, as in tandem with the UN principle, leaving no one behind, going to the farthest corner of this country, to be able to find the person who has a case, who has an issue, who has a conflict that needs to be redressed, to find that chance to present their case. And so it is not an easy process, it's an expensive process, but it is that important, that if everyone is able to look forward to, and have a sense of, I have my day in court, as we say, I have a place to present my issues, and someone would listen, and get a sense of fairness, then we are able to support communities, to be able to live together, and social cohesion grows in this sense and peace building. So we support the mobile courts, we support the SCB records, we support even by the way, the traditional courts, because you know that these are the biggest, the most that are found in the deepest part of the country, among communities where people cannot access towns, cannot access centers, cannot access, you know, very tedious and distant places of justice. So we work with traditional courts, and we train them in human rights issues, in gender issues, in child protection, and all these issues that will help them to, in their work, be able to promote human rights, be able to be fair in what they do. And so, it's a system that takes care of the formal, and the non-formal, I don't want to call it informal, it is formal in the sense, the non-formal, but it serves the people of South Sudan, and keeps the communities going to resolve their issues. - Okay, thank you very much, Catherine, for explaining that in detail, and indeed it's very important to support the government in these areas, given the fact that we are coming from a time of crisis, and there's still a number of pocket conflicts that keep happening, that need a very stable and resilient government systems to address them. Now, coming to you, Petronella, UNOPS, what does UNOPS do in regards to contributing, to support the governance systems, but also the government itself, to be able to achieve their sustainable development goals? - Thank you very much for that question. UNOPS has been in South Sudan, even prior independence. We came in in 2005, and we have our footprint across all the 10 states of South Sudan. We have had a huge footprint in terms of the kind of infrastructure we have built, building project management systems, across different government ministries, and on the governmental side, we are that arm of the UN that is really implementation at heart. We are the extended capacity of the UN system. We are the extended capacity of the member states, including the government of South Sudan, and so we come in when the government is struggling to implement what it needs to implement. We come in when our partner agencies are failing to implement what they are meant to implement because of capacity challenges, and so we have, since 2005, supported to implement projects that are worth over 700 million dollars in delivering projects that support the humanitarian piece and development nexus. - Could you possibly name some of these projects? - Some of these projects. We have implemented huge infrastructure projects, one of which is currently running the EU Feeder Roads Project, where we have constructed over 47 kilometers of feeder roads. We have, just next month, we will be inaugurating one of the largest bridges in South Sudan, that is in Northern Barra, Gaza, and we have been implementing the largest social safety nets project with the Ministry of Agriculture and Food Security, with World Bank funding, and that one is reaching over, has reached since 2017 when we started. To date, has reached over 1.5 million people in need, and so we have been that extended implementation capacity that has been delivering across different types of projects, and we have been, I think, that partner that wants to continue to contribute to accelerating or turbocharging progress towards SDGs. We are very much behind at South Sudan. I think very recently we were reviewing the Voluntary National Report that was generated by the Government of South Sudan, really measuring the progress that, as a country, we are making towards achieving the SDGs, and we are well behind our targets. And so, as being part of that UN family, we are coming in and saying, across our priorities, how are we going to be able to work together because it's in partnerships that will be able to deliver bigger, and that will be able to move faster? - Wow, just letting you know that I worked for you, you know, for about six months. - Yes, and so I do know what you're talking about. - Six months, but it was intense. - Yes, and so you're the hands-on agency, you get on the ground, you get dirty, and you do these projects. How have you been finding that work, the collaborative bit? I needed you to just speak a little bit about that, the fact that you, you know, connect with WFP to implement projects just a little bit more. - For us as UNOPS, we would not exist without partners. We exist because of the partners, because partners need us. We are very much a demand-driven organization, so you want our support, you ask for it, and we'll come in and give you a solution to addressing that problem that you have. And so for us, collaboration is really at the center of everything that we do. Our partnerships have extended across, like I mentioned, we have been working across the peace, humanitarian, and development nexus. On the humanitarian side, we have been there to support response to crisis. For example, just recently, we are still dealing with the flooding situation that has happened in South Sudan. We come in bringing in our expertise to inform, to also extend implementation, to make sure that we are able to save the people that need our help. We have been working in the development space. I talked about building roads. We have not just built roads. We have created infrastructure that has enabled people to access services. So in partnership with UNICEF, in partnership, with the government of South Sudan Ministry of Health, we have been able to build schools, health centers. We've been able to build watch facilities, enabling people to access essential life-giving and life-saving infrastructure and services. - Wow, thank you for getting into that detail as well. And UNICEF is indeed doing a lot. Now, coming to WFP. I think WFP is like the most famous UN organization, especially in the humanitarian side, you know, with the food and, yes, that. So you work in this specific department that is a smallholder agriculture market support. But I would also like you to speak about the response to humanitarian crisis in terms of nutrition and food, as well as health, please. - Yeah, thank you very much for that acknowledgement that we perhaps the most known in terms of the human-- - Next to the UNICEF. - Absolutely. (laughs) - Yeah, obviously, as WFP, it's quite not necessarily a very interesting story because we find ourselves actually responding in over 120 countries and territories out of about 253. Essentially, it means that globally, the crisis at dire levels. What we are doing is not just to provide relief assistance as so many people have known WFP4, and that is why now it's not just about this logineering of saving lives, changing lives. We have been in this space of providing food assistance for quite a number of years, but we are now focusing more on the transformative resilience activities that address the root causes of hunger. Our interventions are not necessarily now focusing on the agricultural production and productivity, but we're implementing also programs in nutrition, school feeding, and like I've already mentioned, the agriculture market support activities, and also building the capacities of the key stakeholders, more critically building the capacities of both national and sub-national states and institutions. We strongly believe that there is capacity out there for vulnerable communities that we support, and that's why I mentioned that the global crisis about the climate shocks are not just about interventions that we can address singly, but it's a global situation where over 72 million people, for example, at the moment, facing hunger. So we, in South Sudan, we have looked at locations that have been under isolation for a very long time, and decided since 2023 over the next three to five years to focus on the hotspots of hunger. If you look at the hotspots of hunger, these are areas that consistently have registered almost IPC4 and IPC5. This is almost a very dangerous situation where people are the value of death, and our efforts now is to reverse the trend. Reverse the trend by way of building the capacities of the communities that we have previously been providing food, to building their capacity to sustainably produce. And when I say produce, it's not about those who are only engaged in crop production, but we look at South Sudan's context and acknowledge that there are quite a number of people who are also involved in livestock. So our support is not just for communities that are involved in crop farming, but we're also looking at a range of hurricanes, including livestock. Our support includes both the capacity strengthening in terms of reduction of food loss. This country loses over 40% of what they produce, and this is at the backdrop of very low production per acreage, for Sudan. So our investments are now looking at how to build capacity of, for example, the 900 farming households that have been affected by floods this year to ensure that in subsequent years, these people are able to build their capacity to predict these natural disasters, build mitigations that can actually enable them to either withstand or adapt. - I must mention that in Greta Bargaza and parts of Yongli, we have supported communities now to adapt to the climatic shocks. For example, we are promoting lowland rice production. We are also supporting areas that have been hit by prolonged dry spells to introduce crops such as cassava. Cassava is one of the drought resistant crops. And in our support, we would not only focus on building their capacity to produce, but also facilitate linkages to markets. I might have mentioned perhaps Ariarron, and again, I would be doing myself a disservice if I don't speak something to do with a small agricultural market support. And this is the trend that we'd like to see in South Sudan. In Western Equatorial, for example, over the last two years, we have procured maize worth approximately 300,000 US dollars. In places like rank, this has been our commercial centre where we procured in South Sudan. We would like to see more involvement with working with the government, national government, and also the sub-national governments, to see us expand our procurement into other locations. And for us to achieve it as World Food Programme, we really need to work more closely with the agencies like UNOPS and EFIAD and FAO, because undoubtedly, FAO's space in terms of agricultural production is massive. And what WFP is doing is to come up with such programmes like the school feeding. I wish we had done this programme in the field. I would have taken you to some of the schools where actually communities are producing the food that is finding its market into its schools. - We can't plan for that. - Exactly. So our focus now is really as much as possible to reduce our humanitarian response, reduce the in-kind or cash and condition assistance, and gradually introduce our, what we call, more sustainable resilience approach, over the next six years, with a view of building transformative capacity of the vulnerable communities, and also strengthening systems, systems that should ensure, for example, that there is proper aliwoning system, and that when communities are impacted by shocks, it's not a response that WFP should undertake, but perhaps also the government has a mechanism to ensure that areas that are flood-prone have a clear and unspattery action, and that when a shock like floods, we are going through this time. We do not have to be hit like it's a surprise, because there are areas that are perpetually being experiencing these shocks, and our contribution as World Food Programme is now to work with the different departments, ministries and departments and other agencies to ensure that we build a capacity across, at both national and sub-national levels. - Thank you very much, Vincent, you're tuned to Radio Miraya, and this is a nationwide discussion hour, who we are looking at the work of the United Nations as the UN in South Sudan is set to mark, are 79 years in the world on 24 October, so I do have representatives from UNDP, which is the United Nations Development Programme, and then UNOP's United Nations Office for Project Services, as well as WFP, which is the World Food Programme. If you have a question or a comment, remember you are free to be part of the programme during the conversation by texting 0-912-177141, but also note these numbers you'll be able to call in after the break, the numbers are 0-912-067-879, or 0-912-067-929, or 0-912-068101. (speaking in foreign language) (upbeat music) - Nationwide, your daily current affairs programme on Radio Miraya. - Welcome back, you're listening to Nationwide on Radio Miraya, and as we talk about the work of the UN, you're welcome to call in, you're welcome to text in, your questions, as I have guest in the studio, we have Catherine Walwella, that is a governance advisor to UNDP, Petronella is country manager at UNOP's, and we have Vincent, who is head of Smallholder Agriculture Market Support at WFP. Now, we do have some callers already on the line, so let's hear from our first caller, Radio Miraya, hello? Yes, you're welcome, Radio Miraya. - Yes, yes, this is the ending in WoW. - Yes, the ending, go ahead. - Thank you, I'm glad to have the UN guest in the studio. Actually, UN is doing great job in this country. As a citizen, we have no objection to actually say that UN is not doing it work. UN actually is working for the writings and is having the people of South Sudan development, as they are talking about the next, you know, peace, development, and humanitarian leave, they're actually doing it great job. So my question to them is, there is also these things, both they are also donors, they are supporting a national organization, and also other international organizations are supporting them, giving them fun. So my question is that some of the, as they were talking about, some of the panel are not actually implementing the right way. So you get that they are giving the part with the organization to the partner, you get the partner gets over it, only 25% of the work, and 75% would be dived by the partner. But you are unable to see that, why? That one question. Another question is that, are you also running the tips, are you not running the tips? Criminal, organized tips, you know what are the organized tips? Those who know how to write the proposal nicely, they can write nicely to convince you, you give them the money, but actually they will not go and do the work. In that way, are you not able to be, you are not able to be cheated, because you restrict some time that you do all of it, to post, post, post, post, post, post, post, post, post, all of it, all of it will work hard to do it. But some cities and work should work in the heart to help this people, with this city, or they form them in order to get fun. You people are not giving them fun. You are giving the part to the organized tips. Why are you doing that? Thank you. - Thank you very much, Jiang Deng, for sharing your question. I think this one we can answer as we will be taking more callers after this. So yes, who wants to take this? And in terms of projects, some of the UN agencies partner with local organizations and working with them to implement some of the projects. And then most times, this is a citizen who's saying that some of these projects are not completed, they're not done fully or done to the best, in terms of quality. And so he's asking, is this something that the UN considers when giving funding to the local organizations? But also, he talks about organized tips. People who write very good proposals, but don't really end up doing what they plan to do. So shall we speak to UNDP? - Thank you. I had these questions and I think I would put, I find them as two strands of the same question. I was talking about funding wastage and organized tips as he calls them. I just need to let him know that as the UN, I said originally, we support government, we support government priorities. So we do not go to a location and pack ourselves and say we are gonna do this and that and that instead. First of all, we come in at the invitation of the government of South Sudan, that's point number one. We are invited to come and support the government that is a member state of the United Nations. And when we come in, we look at what the government has as priorities, we relate to those priorities, we develop our own frameworks, the UN Development Corporation Framework that is actually anchored on the government's development plan. And all the way at the national to the state level and right to the payams to the bombers. We do hold consultations. I'll talk particularly on UNDP because I know what we do. We have assessments of every partner we work with. We will put out our calls for proposals, whether we want someone to work with us in working with a civil society to work with the prisons or to support the police station or to work in providing support to parliament. Whatever it is, we do send out our calls very openly. We make them public. We have a clear procedure of how we assess and evaluate the agencies that you work with. But that is not just all, that's not all. We also bring in government partners and communities. And so I think what he's saying is that it's imperative for us to hear from communities that benefit from these services, to tell us what is it you're seeing because we have monitoring teams, we have monitoring programs, but we cannot do this alone without engaging with communities on the ground. So it's important that we have everybody involved because what you are delivering is for the people, is for you. It can't be that we give money to an agency that can just do what they want. And that's why in our monitoring, we actually talk to community members to ask, "What's going on? "Do you think this is benefiting you? "Do you see that we are going at the right pace?" And so it would be important that when we have these kind of engagements, which are always in the field, like my colleague Vincent was saying, we always got the field all the time, that we have such members of the community letting us know because for sure, I don't think we want to waste any money and we don't want to have, as he calls them, organized thieves. We wouldn't want to do that. - Thank you, Katherine. And just to reiterate, the numbers, we have somebody requesting for that, the numbers to dial, 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-8-7-9, 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-9-2-9, and 0-9-1-2-0-6-8-1-0-1. We have another call on the line. Thank you, Katherine, for answering that question. Radio Mirai, hello. - Yes, good evening, Lucy, how are you? - Fine, thank you, how are you? - Fine, thank you. Ms. Bolgabel from Acoba. - Yes, Bolgabel, go ahead. - Yeah, you know, like what one of the call I said before, my question is, do they have a follow-up for what they give? You know, because now everything now has an ear in Acoba. So I have been heard that Acoba is giving maybe or some country in this state. Don't waste it. I've been giving percentage or donut from international organizations, but they are not reaching a half-year. So what is, do they follow up what they give, whether it's the vulnerable people or people in the building? - Okay, thank you very much. We'll have Stevie and take that. - Vincent. - Vincent, sorry. - Yes. - Thank you so much, our listeners, and I fully appreciate the frustration, maybe, and why they are referring to some of the organizations as organizations. We do acknowledge that the more the needs increase, the more the pressures across the different spectrum, but the processes are broadly from the UN perspective. I think our localization agenda is very clear. Working with national, with communities and also with national organizations, and that's why I talked about strengthening systems. And we also have a very elaborate feedback, complaints feedback mechanism that is built right from the communities, and we also have direct lines that different communities can call and we guarantee confidentiality when people call in. So as far as contracting of organizations and developing partnerships with organizations is concerned, it's a very transparent process, involving also an elaborate, community-based participatory planning process, building on the state level of plans. So, at least from that perspective, all is well. And something to do with the follow-ups, all UN agencies, WFP in particular, have a very elaborate follow-up mission, for example, where we implement direct distribution of food, with what we call post-distribution monitoring, where we interact with communities across the different spectrum from the households that receive food to others that are not necessarily receiving food, but playing critical roles in the locations where we are implementing these projects. But we'd be happy if Mr. Deng from Huawei and the caller from Acobo. We have offices in Acobo, for example. We also have offices in WOW. If they have a particular incident which they would like to report, we guarantee their confidentiality, they can approach in our field offices and then we can take it up. - When you said you have lines to be able to get feedback, could you just break down that a little bit? Is it part of going to the office or their specific lines that can be called? - There are specific lines that can be called. - Okay, can we share that before the show ends? - Oh, yes, I can. - Thank you very much. Yes, there's still room for you to call in, at least one more caller and then we'll be able to hear your concerns and there'll be answered right here in the studio. We're looking at the work of the UN in the country for all the time it's been here and how far it's gone as we mark UN Day on the 24th. We have another caller, Radio Mirahalo. - Hello? - Yes, good evening. - Good evening to you. Evening to the guest, what's your name? - Yes, what's your name? - Yeah, my name is Rolfo, but I'm not the ambassador there. - Could you repeat your name, please? - Toman or Rolfo, but I'm not the ambassador there. - Yes, Rolfo, go ahead. - Yeah, I appreciate the topic, but my point is a simple point. - No problem. - You call it all well, otherwise those people are talking in media. But if you may follow up in a little bit instead to the county label. - Okay. - On your audience. In your audience. - All right. - Thank you. - Thank you for your question. Okay, another question on follow up, maybe Petronella, you could clarify on that and then we will conclude because of time, go ahead. Okay, yeah, thank you our listeners for those important questions. I think just to reiterate what my colleagues have said, I think Vincent and Petrone have been able to answer those questions quite well. On follow up, I think as a UN system, we have boots on the ground. Up to the county, Payam and Boma levels, I mean all those levels, we are covered because we have boots on the ground. There are organizations that are doing direct implementation, there are organizations that are also working through partners. But again, we heard the feedback from the questions that have been raised, that in our quest to adopt our localization agenda, where we want to empower as much as possible locals to deliver development work to help in the humanitarian process, sometimes we get their losses. But we should also be counting some of the wins because some of those wins have gone to building the capacity of local community-based organizations to deliver on development work, to deliver on humanitarian work. In some counties, it has worked. In some Payams, it has worked. In some Boma, it has worked. And we should be able to celebrate those wins. Unfortunately, we do have those instances where we have partnered maybe with wrong people. And those wrong people, we as a UN, stand united in making sure that we address the problems, because the aim is to make sure that the need that is supposed to be addressed is addressed. The resources that come to the people of South Sudan have to be directed to the people of South Sudan. And so those structures are in place. I think we probably need to do a better job in just alerting the communities to understand that they have these reporting channels that they can use to make sure they report the perpetrators. The people who are getting the money that is not supposed to be in their pockets are supposed to be brought to book. All right, thank you, Petronella. And you've really rated that so well. It's important to involve the local organizations because then you're empowering them. And also, not just to do the work, but also financially and the community is able to embrace the work done by their community themselves. But then we do have those bad elements that need to be addressed. Well, that is an important feedback there that we've had. Everyone has literally centered on that. And that's your take home as well to see how you can better your services in terms of eliminating those bad elements. So we have come to the end of the discussion today. And so before I end, let me share the lines that you can call for feedback regarding WFP projects. And so you can call these numbers. Kindly note them down. 0 9 1 0 6 8 2 4 6 4. And then the other number is 0 9 1 0 6 8 2 4 6 5. I'll read them again. 0 9 1 0 6 8 2 4 6 4 and 0 9 1 0 6 8 2 4 6 4. 0 6 8 2 4 6 5. Now, because of time, you're going to have 30 seconds each to share a UN day message. So let's start with Catherine. Catherine, are you ready? Or should I go for Petronella? - Petronella. - Just to short UN message. - Short UN message. - Yes. - UN day message. - We are well behind the achievement of the SDGs. We have six years to zero hunger. Six years to no poverty. Six years to well-being. Six years to all the 17 goals. - Yes. - And it can be frightening. What I'm saying is if we can work together, if we prioritize, we can have some significant wins by 2030. So let's celebrate what we have done, recognizing that we have a lot more work to do in the six years. - Thank you very much. Now Petronella has taken up all your time. And so this brings us to the end of the discussion. Thank you so much, Catherine, Petronella and Vincent, for coming and happy UN day in advance to you all and to everyone listening in.