Continuous-Loop
Filani-testimony-c
So President, we're going to go now to the section of coming to America. Are you decided, are you like you said, you just mentioned in the last segment that we decided to move the point that it's time to leave. So tell me about that more, but now you finally decide to move on. All right, so now we are now talking about 1982, '83, you know, and I started to sense in my spirit, you know, and the Lord moving on me, telling me basically your work here is done and that you need to move on to the US. Now, all this time, I was walking to support myself, even though I was in the ministry, but I didn't, I felt like I could walk and instead of using the church funds, you know, for, for, for living. There are so many people who have needs, you know, that we needed to support them and many other things like that, you know, and financial obligations that we have to take care of, the place of fellowship we have to pay for, all that stuff. So I started to, the thing, why the Lord, what do you want me to do? So then, you know, it told me I need to go move to the United States. So you saw me visual or you just had in your heart? Well, I had in my heart first. I had several visions that confirmed it, you know, but the first thing that I felt in my heart. Now, let me ask more questions because I remember you are talking about 1982, '83, and I left 1981, January 1st, when I was leaving by the optional result, I brought somebody, I brought you, you know, before you were, you were even at many people, you moved, you moved right now, so I had enough time to move, you didn't tell me that, that's everybody being dragged, you know, I'm not like anybody like that. Does that affect the past, this brother has moved, that brother has moved, does that make you begin to have that feeling in your heart or? No, no, no, no. The same thing happened to me when I, I left the university in my, in my part 2, end of part 2. Everybody, even to this day, thought that because I did that, so many other people followed me to do that. Even though I never talked to anybody, I never preached it as a sermon, it was just me following the leading of the Lord for me, right? It never occurred to me that when the Lord leaves one person to do something, other people should follow them to do it. It never, that was not part of my belief system or my thinking, right? Because I expect the Lord to lead each individual, you have the Holy Spirit, He has a plan for your life, you follow His plan for your life. So I don't recall at all ever thinking, even for a moment, that brother Julius or this brother left for the United States, therefore I have to go and never talk about it. Yeah, when I was, when I was contemplating, out of 1980, the Lord already told me, and I was, like you said, contemplating, he not said to me, "Go ask Barso, and so you will be surprised." He had been longing to go for a long time. So I went and asked that brother, and I'm looking at him, and I said, "What is that, you only know one brother that left one? We are still in college, and nobody has to see it." People who visit and come back, visit and come back. I'm not talking about visiting, I visited two times, but at that time, before it was told me now, it's time to move. But that movie that I'm talking about is the point I'm talking about. And I was contemplating, if you move, you've got to do a lot of things. I had it, by Carl Loon. I got to resign from this beautiful job. So there are those are some good situations. You go and ask Barso, and so you will be surprised. I was trying to convince you. Yeah, I've been longing to go for a long time. So I went to a bar and I said, "What do you think about it? Do you ever have any D.S.R. to go to? It's ridiculous. I've been trying to go." So did I just confound that window here? I'm what I'm telling you to do. It's almost like you're not saying, "Kings, I'm a professor." - Yes. - But the desire to say this to you. - Yes. - I'm telling you to go, "Yes, exactly." So that's why I said, "Okay." So I just... - In truth, I discovered when I go to the U.S. which I'm going to go back and tell the story, that it wasn't only me, that they loved, because I saw that there was almost a bug around the same time, two other families came. - Yeah, three or 15. - Three, about the same time. I never talked to these people. We never had a meaning. Let's go... No, no, no. - I was thinking that you guys decided to send me a plane to me. - No, not at all. - Not at all. - Not at all. - Not at all. In fact, I remember vividly, friend of mine, friend of my were friends, over that time we were brothers. I know as we wife, we had to play together, age mates. One of them came to me, that I heard, you are planning to live and go to the U.S., and it was essentially reprimanding me as a friend, but boy, God is blessing you now financially. - Yeah. - We are doing very well in the ministry. Why would you throw all that away and go to the U.S.? I remember that conversation. And I didn't take offense because it was talking to me as a friend, you know, a talk of his own concern and everything as a friend. All I could just tell him is that this is what the Lord is leading me to do. So, and I also wasn't, you have to understand my situation at the time, because I was not a college graduate. I was a... - A college drop-out. - A college drop-out. - Yeah. - So, I was not quote-unquote important in terms of the U.S. embassy. I was, you know, I was a college drop-out, a minister, you know, now I'm also a business person who does my own business. So, my path to come to the U.S. was not, let's say as straight as yours. You are an engineer and all that, you know, you are a professional, so they will probably give you consideration. So, I had to, I said, well, so that's another thing. I'm wondering, how am I even gonna get a visa? You know, given that I don't have a... - You visit before finally coming? - I did visit once or maybe even twice before finally coming. - And I... - You get a visa for the first time. - Okay, well, I remember praying and fasting. And getting the faith. This is the, I remember praying and fasting. And I remember the wisdom the Lord gave to me when I want to visit the first time. And the church that I was, the administrator was affiliated with was Nilfryzbe's minister. And the wisdom that came to me was that Nilfryzbe, Halfton has... Who said he has a name for it. - I'm between a family. - Like a camp meeting that he does, maybe once in six months and all that. And they will announce it, right? And I was receiving his letters. So, the wisdom came to me is that you can use that as your vehicle to attend the U.S. So I prayed about it. And then the faith arose in me that got us inside you. I remember traveling to, so I went to the, I found out where the embassy was in Lagos. Didn't know anybody to talk to anybody, I said. So I remember going to the embassy. I remember wearing my best clothing. I remember very well that I had at the time. It was a yellow buban choco toe. I remember very well. And I remember going to the embassy, I'm lining up to tell them. And I submitted, and I had to rule the Road Mill Frisbee's office to send me an invitation. With personalize that they have, you know, bled ahead and everything to make it official, which they did. And so I went there, I figured I'm going to, maybe I'm in many stuff for me, but I don't have fellowship. And this person who was at the embassy, the U.S. citizen who was interviewing me, wanted to find a way to validate whether I was a minister or not. He asked me to pull several scriptures or something like that, which I answered her. And they said, "Okay, what do you do to support?" You said, "Well, I'm just, I'm a business man, private business man, and this is where I do. Do you have any evidence on that?" I showed him, I happened to, I showed him my bank statement, which has at that time, probably some, I mean, he showed that I was definitely not, somewhere he was begging to eat. And she gave me the visa. And that's how I was able to come to the U.S. the first time. Look around, look at the grand final confirm what the Lord had told me. And I remember that one time, I may have visited it, gave me second time, well, it's sort of his in my mind now. But at this time, the Lord has now confirmed to me this is the next move. And I, you know, now I have to get a visa, I'm not just for myself. If he's there for myself, my wife, and we now have three children, actually two children and a baby took on at that time. So, but somehow when the time I was getting the visa, yeah, maybe three, yeah, three, three, okay, three, yes. So, but by the favor of the Lord, that's the only way I can describe it. They gave me the visa, as I said, because I have no, it's not like I am supported by some big corporations in Nigeria. - When you're not going for your family, what did you use to ask for the visa? - Okay, what I did was I think the last time I visited the United States, I was already thinking about that. And I discovered that one way to do it was to come as a student. And then they also, I remember going to talk to some lady who I remember by Wuna mentioned her name, and she explained all this to me. And she said, oh yeah, you, if one comes to you as a student, your spouse can come as a dependent. And your children. I said, wow, and you know, I said, wow, this is great. I didn't know that, right? So we decided, I decided by praying that we are going to get my wife to come as a student, and I will be her dependent, and our children will be her dependent. So while I was here, or maybe we've printed from Nigeria, I got her to apply, I was alone, but I was able to talk to her in Nigeria, got her to apply to to be a student at a place called Lansing Colleges, which was a business school, a business college, where they teach you business management, things like that. So she actually got her, gave her admission. And this school, the advisor that I spoke to in the school, this was in Mesa to, you know, gave us the requisite documents. I forgot what they call these documents. I had 20, whatever, and the dependent letter and everything. So we could use that, if we can show we have finances to support that, we could use that to get the visa, which is what we use that to give us the visa. So we came, my wife was a student, I was her dependent, and our children were her dependent. And the school was really a year, like it was an associate degree, either 18 months or two years, something like that. Which after that, we have to figure out what to do, and the lot always helped us, no matter what. But that's how we came to the US, amen, amen. And that was, do you have any difficulties, that you already gave some testimonies that when you are trying to, somebody tried to say, "Well, are you trying to go now?" That's a form of, no difficulty, no restraint, no resistance from Britain. But my biggest difficulty was to leave the brethren, right? You know, I had to have faith, to trust that God would take care of that. Because I was the only pastor they had known, I was sort of a leader of this movement, which we call the End Time Message, all over the nation. And so people did look up to me as a leader, and as somebody who can always give the word on any issue that I wrote, right? So that was the rule that I was in. So I was concerned, naturally, about the brethren and the people, that was my chief concern. But after prayed, I said to me, actually it's not really you, it's the only spirit that takes care of this, it's not so live in the hands of the Lord. I remember the first year or a team that I got here, churches will write me, ask him any questions, what should we do here? And I refuse to answer them, for that reason. I said the Holy Spirit is there to answer your question, right? You know, so that was my chief difficulty. Did I have difficulty from anybody else? No, except France, who didn't think. It was wise for me to do that. Now how did you all three families came at the same time, almost the same airplane? I do not know. You guys come on the same plane or just for them? Oh, I don't think... I know that about the same time when all the three families, your family, your family... Well, who do they teach you? Well, the passage family. About the same time you arrive, I don't know why you came by the same airplane or they just met your wife. You know, I honestly, I don't recall. Either the time we were coming or the time that I visited, I remember spending time with Brother Bassey when we got to Phoenix. But when we left Nigeria, I don't... It was not coordinated as far as I can remember. Now, now you're in the US. Let's talk about the difficulties you guess of when you're a family, you arrive. Do you have any financial something, anything? In Russia, describe that... Oh, yes, oh, yes. Now, I mean, that's a big problem. I rose, right? And I discovered, what I discovered is that my view of America was accurate, but incomplete. And that is an important phrase that I've been using since then, you know? Because my view of America was based, I had done a lot of homework before I came, because I remember living in Nevada. I used to go to the USIS, United States Information Service, which at that time was in Koko House. I used to go there, maybe once, every two or three months, to read up on America. They have a library. I would read Time magazine. I would read US report and something news week. Those were the main magazines. Just to familiarize myself with what the US is. And I remember seeing all the brochures of the different colleges and universities. And I would read about them. To me, I just thought this is an amazing place from all the stuff that I read. Now, of course, I'm also affiliated with Neil Frisbee's ministry, so I'm very familiar with his ministry, his teachings and all that. Which is actually why I chose to come to Phoenix, Arizona. And so when I got to the US, I discovered that basically those news papers, more or less, were reporting the glory of America, not necessarily the reality of America. And that was the first surprise. I remember by the time I think I had a car, you know, it used to go all this 'cause jalapis at that time. It's something that I just moved you from one place to another. I remember I had one of them. So I'm a curious person and I used to drive around Phoenix just to understand what the city looks like. And the one day I go to South Phoenix. And I saw people living in what looks to me like tents made out of cardboard papers. And I couldn't believe this is the US also. I never saw that in news week or in Time magazine. That people lived like that. There were many poor people, many drug addicts, many. And there was a big divide between the how and how not, which up until now I didn't see. And there was also another thing that I discovered that was a very strong consciousness of black versus white, which I never experienced in my life as a Nigerian or as a Christian. You know, I just thought in terms of you have the Holy Spirit, you're my brother and that's it. But when I come to the US, I saw that almost every thing is permeated by the racial divide. And I had to make sense out of all those. And understand why are they like this and all that. Now, that you are just talking about the society and the culture. What about the fleshy way you go to? Because now you are in the backlash church, the Frisbee's Fellowship. Yes. And that's the white people's church. How do you see that compared to the... So, as you rightly said, the church I was going to was Capstone, which Frisbee was a pastor and a preacher. And it was mainly populated by white people. And we came with this splinter of Nigerians now, there. And I felt completely at home because I was in... I did not see myself as this. The Americans tend to see people in terms of their race. That's my experience. I don't see people, me personally. I tend to see people in terms of their relationship to God. That you are a child of God, you are not. That's my primary way of seeing the world. And so I saw these people as children of God, as a fellow brother in Christ. That was my attitude and approach going to the church. And that's the way I related to everybody. Did they relate to me that way? I don't know. But that was my outlook and the way I related to the church members. And I didn't send anything other than these people by my brothers and sisters, right? So spiritually, I felt connected. And I was focused on, what does the Lord want to teach me? What does the Lord want me to understand? What does He want me to do? That was my focus, right? Now that you are in the U.S. and you are going through your wife, we're going to call it, and you are now. What did you do? So now, this was me. I was a preacher, and I preached all the time. And here, I was preaching. Because there was only a prisoner church, right? And so I started to sing the Lord. "What do you want me to do here?" "I remember now praying in Nigeria." "Lord, what do you want me to?" "Okay, so I'm going to go to the U.S. What should I be doing there?" And the word that came to me was "Just give me a scripture." And the scripture was Hebrews 11. The same thing spoke to Abraham. He said, "I told him to leave his people." And then by faith, he went and followed that scripture, right? That was the same scripture the Lord directed me to. In other words, we could read that. You know, Hebrews 11, somewhere else, Abraham, you know, not knowing what he should do, you know. That was the scripture the Lord gave to me. By faith, Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after his symphonic, and he went. And he went, "I'm not knowing with that he went." This is exactly the scripture the Lord gave to me when I was asking, "What should I do?" He said, "This is the scripture for you. Just do what I tell you." Like Abraham did not know him, you see. I said, "All right, all right, so I by faith I left." And I remembered at this time the Lord was prospering the business I was doing. I remembered the Naira exchange rate of the dollar was extremely favorable to the Naira. So I remember actually when I came in here, I came with my own money, thousands of dollars of Naira. And I thought, "Okay, this is probably enough to take care of us for a while. It gave me so much of comfort, right?" You know, which of course it didn't work out that way, but this is how the Lord helped me. So now, what was the question you asked me? So what are you going to do? All right, so after six, three months, six months of my wife going to college, I started to, I just was home, really. And, you know, picked her up, took care, you know, washed the children. I was like, asking her, "Look, this cannot be, you want me to just be like this?" So what is it that you asked me to do? So I said it to ask the Lord. And this is one of the things that had the greatest experiences of my life. And the Holy Spirit said to me, "Pick up the newspaper." Which at that time, I think I used to subscribe to Arizona Republic. It said, "Go to the jobs section." And I went there. And he said, "What do you see?" All this time I was more or less reluctantly doing this because I'm like, "What's all this?" You know, but I know enough to obey the Lord. It's prompting the Spirit. So I saw there, they were all asking for computer, everything, I mean, like 75%, 50% to 75% of all the jobs that are really related to it. Computer computer I said, "Oh, where?" I said, "Well Lord." I see computer I said, "Okay, that's where you should go and study." And so they saw, I said, "Oh, I'm going to study something." Which I didn't, I had no desire or interest to go back to school. It was not in my thinking. But that's what the Holy Spirit said to me. So I said, "Okay, all right, good, no problem." If I'm going to do it, that means you'll be way of taking care of it, right? So this is probably, as I said, maybe six months. It may have been more than that. Two, nine months after my wife had been now in college. So I went, it was that first year anyway. So I went to ASU, Arizona State University, asked about computer science. They told me they have this department in engineering school. They have computer information systems in the business school. I said, "Well, what I have was computer science, so I went to the engineering school." I asked them what is the process of admission and all that. And they told me. And so I had applied to be a student there. They're not knowing even how more high you're going to pay for anything, right? And they required me to get my transcripts from the University of Africa. And I called them, the University of Africa, or wrote them. They contacted them when we were another, within months. They sent my transcripts to ASU. ASU admitted me and gave me, for my transcripts as if they eventually gave me up to two years of school off. So if I were to do the computer science bachelor's degree, I would only spend like 18 months to get the bachelor's degree, right? So that's how I got admitted to ASU and pursue computer science, but before then several of that things happened, right? You know, when my wife, and this is one of them, which is worth sharing for the lot, for people to understand how the lot really guides you in your life, right? Two incidents I would like to share. One is before I go to ASU, I'm from University. My wife was now completing her associate degree at Lamson Colleges. Part of the program was that Lamson Colleges required that you spend the following six months for renewable twice. So 12 months to do what they call practical training, right? They attach it to a real business and put to practice everything they taught you. So, okay, we said we'll take advantage of that. This time I was becoming, I got from the Lord. He really wants us to stay here. He was not a visit, 18 months, type of thing. When you left the year, you are not thinking of the state? No, no, I was not thinking of the state. I didn't know the future as such. I just knew this was the Lord wanted us to do now. But I didn't really know the future. What am I going to do? My heart was, I was a minister, and I should continue my ministry. This is my own personal reasoning, right? And so we said, okay, we applied to this. And after the first six months, you are not supposed to leave the U.S. unless they knew your thing, which were renewed. And the next six months before you know it was almost finishing. And now we are supposed to leave the U.S. and go back to Nigeria. But as I told you, I was convinced that we needed to stay here. So, we were wondering what should we do now? We may have even discussed with other Nigerians and all that. They will all be without the different advices. The easiest thing somebody does is, they go and get married and then you can... But you already applied to the world, because in that mission, yes. Yeah, but I had the admission, but I did not have a visa. Yeah, of course. Okay. So the issue, I didn't have permission to stay in the U.S. So that's the issue we are dealing with now. The fact that you have an admission does not mean that you have a visa. So how do I get a visa? So we prayed about the law. So they go and talk to the immigration office. So we went to the immigration office, downtown Phoenix. Say this is our situation. My wife is finishing her practical training. But we want to stay in the U.S. I have applied to the U.S. You have a good night mission. What should we do? I was hoping she would say, "We can give you the visa here in this office." That's what I was hoping. But she said, "Oh no, by law you have to leave the U.S." I said, "Geez." I mean, if you leave the U.S., how do we come back? She said, "Well, then you can apply for visa whenever you leave the U.S." I said, "Where should we go for this?" He said, "Well, I shouldn't be telling you this, but I'll tell you, you can go to Mexico or you can go to Canada." Those are the closest embassies or equivalent of embassies. So it said, "Go there and present your case." That's your best bet. So we prayed about it. And we again have become fully persuaded by faith that if we went to Mexico, which is the process for Tijuana, which is on the other side of San Diego, we will get the visa. So we went there. I remember talking to a classmate of mine at E.S. who was totally completely science together. God bless her. She thought she was the one who loaned us her car to use on that day. And we drove that car because, like I said, if I had it, I was in Colombia, who cannot drive more than 50 miles or whatever. So it's a long drive. So this lady from Venezuela, Nancy Assal is her name. The Lord bless her wherever she is. She gladly gave us her car to use my wife, and I went in there. We drove all the way to Tijuana. And I remember vividly. We lined up there. Of course, this is Mexico. We don't speak the language. And on the line, we've bought all the documents we're supposed to bring, admission documents, every dance that we can support ourselves. You know, somehow we've got account statements that show we have some money there. And, you know, I remember vividly everybody in front of us, the first five next to us that we go here, denied. Denied. Denied. And this will turn back and sorrow and move. So we got there. And so she asked our questions. I told her the same story I just told now. My wife is finishing and everything we need to want to remain in the U.S. So I got an admission. We want to use the opportunity to get it, you know. And she said, I remember, she said, boy, you took a lot of chance to do this. Boy, I'm going to give the visa to you anyway. And she gave us a visa. And that was the fifth of the law. And I remember once we got the visa. She meant by a lot of chance. Well, because you are risking it, because the possibility that they will not give you the visa was very hard. And you are outside the U.S. So you'll be locked outside the U.S. See? And that's what she meant by that. And then you are, you know, an aunt. And you still have your family, your children. He left our children with a friend of mine, Brother Peter. Yeah. We saw Peter and Christy. We are going to, so we are going to go to take care of the children all evening by the grace of work over tomorrow. They had faith with us. They didn't say, what if they didn't give you the visa? See, they did. This is a burden who believed the law. Yeah. And so there are children who are there. Well, we didn't take them with us. So that's what she meant by that. When she gave us this visa, come and see the relief in our face and the glue. I remember we knelt down in front of this embassy among all these Mexican people, lifted up our hands to give all the glory to Jesus, because he really is the one who did it. We didn't have any wisdom. Didn't have anything. But the Lord, but we have the criticizing, which is the law. He gives you favor. If he is guiding you, he will always stand by you. That's how we go visa. That's how I became his son and he has you for the next several years, right? You know? Amen. Amen. Now you are in ASU and what that was, 1980s. So how forward? How does the Lord move further in your life? In my life, of course, the immediate question is, how do you fund going to college in the United States, which is? Well, you said you bought some money. How long did that last? That one didn't last a year because it's a little bit of a sad story, because friends of mine, who lived here before, who I loved and respected because we were friends from ECU from the Azure Effect, who came before I came here, told me that he knew it was an investor. He knew how to help you to invest your money. So I gave him all the money I had. I think within a week, he lost all the money. But he was not bold enough to even tell the truth. He was just hiding and everything. But after a while, I became concerned that he just lost his money, because if I asked for part of it, he didn't have money to give. So I had to start trusting the Lord for money another way. So, and I got a job, I started business selling cars. Any way to make a living, right? It's how we lived at that time. But when I got to ASU, so finances is the next big area where the Lord helped. Finances. Now, we did everything we could to take care of our family, right? I don't remember how we paid the school fees at ASU. At this time, my wife got a job. I think she got a job. Not the first year, no. It wasn't until I became, when I finished the bachelor, I became a graduate student. And I got a job as a teaching assistant or research assistant, whatever they call it at that time. And that does give him money and scholarship, which finance basically my master's degree and so forth. For the first two years, I was studying the computer science. It was, I think I was a good school. I don't remember... Well, you told me this one time that you had to go to the scholarship division. And that's the testimony I was going to tell now. But getting money to even leave to pay rent was always a struggle. Now, I got jobs as a tutor, as a tutor, where they pay you something. And then, but there was one time come, the rent. We were living, I remember, these Lemontaries apartment in Tempe, Arizona. And the rent was due. And I didn't know how to pay the rent. And I was so troubled in my heart, so I left the apartment, walked towards ASU, just praying in tongues, talking to the Lord. And then, at some point, I had the voice in my spirit tell me, go to the international student's office. This was a Saturday. And go talk to this lady who is an international affiliate student person. I was told her name, you know. So I went, I remember saying, "Why is this Saturday? You don't work on Saturdays." He said, "Just go there." So I went there, and she was there. And this lady was just about ready to pack up and leave. She said, "He just came briefly to do something." I said, "Well, here's my situation. I was asked to talk to you. I'm running out of funds." I said, "But I thought you were a Rooks' call." I said, "No, I'm not this Rooks' call." I said, "Okay. Here's what we're going to do." I know the person who is in charge of scholarships. She might be there, because I told her the direness of the situation. We can't even pay our rent. And so she knew she needed to act immediately. So go to the scholarship office and talk to this lady. So she told me where her office was, so I went there. I said, "Since I was there, only with you." They said, "All of this is happening the same day." So I walked there. This is that same Saturday. And as I was entering the big year front office of this room, she was walking there. I said, "Are you this?" I said, "Yes." I said, "I will send to you by this lady in terms of this." And this is why she sent me here. She said, "Oh." I didn't understand that. We're talking to the Lord here, Mr. Ford. It says so to the world, with the testimony of the Lord. So he said, "Oh, some lady just donated a big amount of money, a certain amount of money, a scholarship. And you fit the profile. Married, African, you know, black person. Describe the characteristics of who qualifies for this." So she asked me, "How much money do you need?" This is a big lesson for me. I've used this to preach many times. So that depends on how much I asked for. And I was afraid. I actually remember thinking, I was afraid to ask for two months that I'm thinking, "Boy, if I ask for two months, maybe they would deny me. I won't get anything." So I reason why I said, "Well, here's my situation. I don't know how to pay my rent between now and the summer until school starts. We don't have money to eat. Clearly we don't have money for you." So I said, "Even if I can get money to pay for rent, for this period and this." And she said, "Okay. All right. How about this amount?" And I was like, "Wow." Which I don't recall the exact amount. But it would take care of, of course, for probably three months. I said, "Oh, that would be great." But if I ask for more, I probably would have gotten it. It just depends on your faith. How much you believe for. Right? And she said I should come back on Monday and pick up the check. And I did. That's how we paid the rent that month. That's how we feed the children. That's how we were able to have time. Oh, she added to it. She said, "Oh." And the lady, she called the lady who donated this month and said, "Give her, give this family a certain amount for Thanksgiving." So we had a good Thanksgiving meal. And the only thing I ask is to write a letter of thank you when you are done, which we did. And that's how the law took off as that summer. And then, of course, after that, I graduated. I got a job as a research assistant. Whatever the colors, you know what that is. And which paid my tuition. I should pay me some money. And that was enough really to take care of us until I graduated. So the law took care of us financially. The biggest thing to understand was all step-by-step. We didn't have any big, massive plan. Just step-by-step. The law showed up every time. They had the time. Just follow it. They had the time. Yeah, you know. Just step-by-step. You know. Well, that is amazing. Now, you have, you finished college and you are still with a international student. You are still a student. Yes. All right, so good. So now, I now graduated from me as you've completed my research program to get a master's degree in computer science. So you went from bachelor's to master's? Yes. And I remember praying about that again. The law said you should go and do masters because that gives you an edge. That was sort of the phrase, you know. Because it's like how many Americans do you see that even have masters in computer science? Very, very few. Almost all of those who were pursuing masters were foreign students. Africans, a lot of Chinese, primarily, some Indians, and maybe a splinter of Americans. So it gives you an edge when you want to get a job, which is exactly what happened. So when I was working at this computer science lab, as I said, I was a research assistant. And my advisor was, you know, as this lady, Dr. March and everything. And there were two of them who ran their lab, two professors at ESU. And so there is about four of us who were research assistants in the lab. I was working on robotics at that time. And so we were all graduating at the same time. And so everybody was looking for a job. I did not know how to get his job. So we had all these big companies, come to ESU to recruit graduates. IBM, you know, aerospace engineering companies, honey, well, all of them. So I went, just like my colleagues, and as soon as they knew that I was not, we asked the question, "Are you a U.S. citizen or a resident?" No, I said, "As soon as I didn't know I was not an resident or a citizen, sorry we cannot interview you." I experienced it like three times. Then I got the message. I have a different status from these guys now. I didn't think about it until then. So it became an issue, "How do you even get a job now?" So I was in the lab doing my work. One, I will say, I believe it is Sunday evening or Saturday. One of my colleagues came there to do his job. And it was heavy and happy and everything I said. So he asked me, "Well, where are you going to work?" I said, "You know, I don't have a job." I told him this. I just told him. And he said, "But I said, but he said we already have three or five jobs lined up. We just have to pick which only lies." But he said to me, he said to everybody, he said, "Well." He said, "But he just went to have an interview with Honeywell." And that Honeywell has so many jobs open and they are willing to hire international students and help them to get visa. I said, "Really?" He said, "Yeah." He said, "Let me give you the name of the human resources person. Call him first and Monday morning." So he gave me the name. And sure, not Monday morning, I called this guy. And he said, "Yeah, we've got no problem. We'll help you to fire for power and residency if we like you." So, and that same day, he set up interviews for me with three different departments. And the interview was that week, I went there. They liked me. They offered me a job. And the human resources told me the process of how they're going to hire me to get what they call "green card" at that time. I don't know what they call it now. Okay, "green card." And they have to put in newspaper advertisement. Basically, the basic idea is to prove that you have special qualifications that have no other America, very few of the Americans qualify for. So that allows you, then, to hire you by law. And they went through that process. They not only gave me a job, only well was the company who got me a green card and made me a permanent resident in the United States. That's only well bull. That's only well bull. Yes, only well bull information system. That was where you were. You made me there. Yes, yes. And it was bull information systems. Did they get you an attorney or did it by themselves? They did it by themselves. Evidently, they know how to do it. Yeah. You have to put, and I recall vividly, you have to put an advertisement in the newspaper, advertising the job. Yeah. And they have to be able to show that not too many American citizens were able to qualify for that job. So I remember the roads. I remember them. They rode the advertisement, which I was qualified for. By virtue of the fact that I had it, it must have been emphasized, and I've studied all these things. And you know, it was evident that unless you have an advanced green company science, you cannot apply for that job. And basically, they didn't get any other application other than me. And so we made the requirement and the rest was smooth singing from there. So they may have internal attorneys. I don't know. Oh, yeah. I only dealt with this, uh, human research is possible. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Please go. Please go. (beeping)