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Join the Sound Up Pod Squad simply by liking our Facebook, following us on X, and signing up for our weekly newsletter at SoundUpPod.com. This is Sound Up with Mark Goodman and Alan Light, the only music podcast that matters. Hey, it's Alan Light, and on this episode of Sound Up, the legendary photographer Lynn Goldsmith joins us to talk about her latest book, Patti Smith before Easter after. Plus, we have the latest on Oasis, canceling a bunch of scalp tickets, young Thug getting out of prison, jelly roll, drop some serious weight while on tour, Ed Sheeran wins an appeals case, and the Cure play a three-hour record release show in London. Plus, as always, our new music picks of the week and some reviews from you, the Sound Up Pod Squad, this week, covering Morrissey live in concert. I don't know if this was the show where you got chased off stage by a bunch of fans rushing the stage, we'll find out, and the Cure's first album in over 15 years, Songs of a Lost World. Mark Goodman is traveling this week, but producer Roger Colletti is here with me. That's right, Mark Goodman is currently having fun in the sun in Cancun, lucky him. As one of the hosts of the Sands Rocks, featuring Brett Michaels, Rick Springfield, The Fix, Lita Ford, Level 42, Mark McGrath, newly crowned Rockwell Hall of Famer Lou Graham, and more. Mark was here to take part in our interview with Liz Goldsmith, so you'll be hearing from him a little later. And next week, we'll get, I guess, the full report on the Sands Rocks and all of those performances and what the beach weather was like. Also, next week, we will be recording our next show with you, our beloved audience. We saw so many of you in Cleveland at the Rock and Roll Hall fame induction ceremonies, so we wanted to jump back into it and do a show recording with all you guys participating. That is gonna be happening on Wednesday, November 13th at 9 p.m. Eastern. Hopefully late enough in the day that even the West Coast folks will be off of work, and so we can get as many of you as possible. For more details, go to sounduppod.com and all our socials at sounduppod. Again, an audience show recording next Wednesday, November 13th. Hope that we see you then and there. Roger, a bunch of stuff going on this week, bunch of news, bunch of releases. I know we've talked about this QR album. It's gonna come up a couple of times through this show, but we got to get back in. Can I just ask you this? I'll ask it now, and then we'll get to it later. Sure. I don't know how much you listen to it. I listened to it a bunch. I have to go through it a couple more times. It's great. It is fantastic, and I have to say one thing, the drumming on this record really stood out to me, and I had to look at it to say Jason Cooper is the drummer of the Cure. He is the one band member I could not have named, though he's been there since 1995, apparently. But it is a thing in the sort of soundscape and the feel and the atmosphere and the propulsion of this record. If Mark were here, he would be complaining about how long the intros are. I understand you're buying into that or you're not. But that was a thing that really stood out to me. I don't know if it's just the playing how they were recorded, but how the drums sat in these songs really struck me. No, you're 100% right, and I've noticed that. I noticed that from the first single that was released. Yeah. And the subsequent ones is that, you know, with the Cure, especially when they've done these songs with these longer intros, they're usually very atmospheric and keyboard with guitar lick driven big washes of guitars. Yeah. And these seem to be way more rhythmic. This whole album seems to be way more rhythmic in that the drums are taking much more of a spotlight on songs, which, you know, the drums in Cure songs have always been really, really crucial and important, but have always been more in the mix of what's been going on and not so much out front. This is very different for me. You know, and it's also been a long time between Cure albums. So everything is kind of like you're getting reintroduced to it all over again. Sure, sure. And recording technology is different. Yes. You know, Roberts, how he's using the studio and all of those things. But I wanted to check with you as the drummer, if that jumped out as dramatically as it does it did for me. It did. There are songs where I was like, Oh, there's the keyboard. Like almost every song immediately starts with drums. It's really cool. It really is. All right. So again, later in the show, Lynn Goldsmith, legendary rock and roll photographer is with us. She has this really lovely intimate close look at an important period in Patti Smith's career called Before Easter After. She shot the cover for Easter, which was Patti Smith's biggest selling album. And this is sort of the as the title indicates before during and after that album came out. So stick around to hear that. But first we got a bunch of music news that we at least want to dip into starting with some cancellations from Oasis, not that kind of cancellations. Once you start typing in Oasis cancels, you think, Oh, okay, where's this going? Right. But interestingly enough, what Oasis canceled were almost 50,000 tickets that had been sold through resale sites, like StubHub and and the others. And having said, we're not going to honor tickets that were bought through resellers. They made good last week by canceling almost 10% of the tickets that were sold because they were showing up on the on the resale sites about sorry, about closer to 5%. Right. So this is an interesting development restrictions on resale were put in place to prevent scalpers from taking advantage of fans that was in the terms and conditions of the ticket sale. Full refunds will be given for canceled tickets. If fans think their tickets were canceled in error, they can speak to their relevant ticket agent to investigate their case. The quote from an Oasis spokesperson all parties involved with the tour continue to urge fans not to purchase tickets from unauthorized websites as some of these may be fraudulent other subject to cancellation. If fans want to sell Oasis tickets, they can do so at face value through ticket master or the band's official resale partner Twickets. So for all of the heat that came down around the demand and the prices of these tickets and everything else, they are doing their best to police, keeping them off of the resale sites. It's pretty wild that this is the band that is taking such an active role in this issue. I wouldn't have expected it. I really wouldn't have. But I do feel bad because I think there are a lot of average fans out there who do not pay attention to the news and the nuances of Oasis is not going to honor this and just realize I miss the tickets when they were sold. I'm going to go on stuff up, get tickets, then get them and then have them canceled. That's kind of an unfortunate thing. But again, in all of these, there's maximal convenience on the one hand. Yep. There's driving prices up on the other hand. These are the things that are in constant tension. And here's another piece of that equation saying, listen, the tickets may be expensive, but we're being straight with you about what it is that they cost. That's what they're going to cost. And I get it, man. You know, I was out this week and it was a beautiful weekend here on the East Coast. And I had some work to do outside and I just had some Oasis on shuffle. And you forget how many great songs this band has. And if you haven't seen them live, this is your shot. So make sure when you get tickets, you're getting them from the right place that they are legit. Otherwise, they're they are going to come back and cancel them on you as they've proven the ongoing constant tweaking of it's the story of the year. Maybe it's what we want to talk about next week when we do this audience show. Story keeps evolving changing. We're coming to the end of the Taylor tour. We're coming to the end of the Bruce tour that set off so much of the debate in the conversation. Maybe that's the thing we want to get into. Sure. Everyone's got a ticket story now, you know, everyone's got a ticket, sir. And everyone's got ticket opinions. Yep. So that's this week's Oasis update. Meantime, after a historic drawn out trial, young thug has officially been released from prison after pleading guilty in his longstanding Rico case rapper whose real name is Jeffrey Lamar Williams, pleaded no contest to Rico and gang leader counts, pled guilty to the rest of his charges, including two gun charges, three drug charges. The judge sentenced him to time served on several counts, as well as 15 years of probation, which if successfully met would lead to the commutation of his service portion. Before the sentencing, thug spoke for the first time in the case after spending the last two years in prison, quote, I'm a smart guy. I'm a good guy. And I really got a good heart. I found myself in a lot of stuff because I was nice and cool. And I understand you can't be that way. When you reach a certain height, because it could end bad. During the dramatic hearing in court last week, Thug changed his plea. After Superior Court Judge Paige Whittaker asked if he had agreed to a non negotiated plea, meaning prosecutors and defense could not agree on a sentencing deal. The power to determine punishment turned over to the judge. George prosecutors had previously offered a plea that Thug turned down. That deal would have allowed him to walk free today for 15 years on probation, which, if completed, would have allowed him to avoid jail time, but would potentially put him behind bars for 23 years if he violated probation. Thug was initially booked into jail in May 2022. As part of a street gang bust, he was one of 28 people named in a 56 count indictment that included violation of the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act and participating in criminal street gang activity. I mean, this was such a big story when it first broke. Oh, yeah. And the elevation of a street gang case to a Rico case, right, was a big deal. This was that prosecutor and Fannie Willis in Atlanta and, you know, that county, the some of these same questions that came up around her hearings around the Donald Trump charges. Right. She is aggressive about using Rico as a strategy as a tactic to go after these sort of group cases. And it was really unclear how, you know, how long he would be in jail. And it looked like originally he was going to be in jail for a very long time. So the fact that he's getting released is pretty impressive lengthy probation. I don't see here what the if he violates probation, it said that what he had agreed to would have been the risk of a 23 year sentence for violating probation. I don't see a number year for what's at risk. Obviously, that's part of the question. So two years away, we'll be interesting to see if he comes back in at the scale that he left, higher, lower, right, what he's going to speak about on on record, as it were on, you know, so still will play out in public as these things do. Definitely. Somebody who has been on tour is our friend, Jelly Roll, and the same week that beautifully broken came in at number one on the billboard charts. The country star revealed that he has hit another impressive milestone, losing 100 pounds on tour. He posted on Instagram next year when you all see me, you won't recognize me. The clip then cuts to the son of a singer's personal chef, his nutrition coach Ian Larios says, Jelly's been crushing it. Walk in the arena is playing basketball boxing. He just surpassed his 100 100 pound weight loss. It's incredible that he's doing this. And it seems like he's doing it in a very controlled and smart way. You know, you can lose a lot of weight quickly and it can be very bad for your health. Yes. You know, he's using that. He's on tour as a way to incorporate this workout and this new diet into his life, whether it's, you know, you see it all the time. He sports figures do it all the time in arenas. They'll walk up and down the stairs and they'll do sounds like he's doing similar types of things to lose the weight, which is pretty, pretty wild. Guess about six months ago, he said that he'd lost 70 pounds while preparing to run the two bears five K back in April. He has long been open about his weight loss and fitness goals, sharing back in 2018 that at one point he weighed more than 500 pounds. So we're cheering for you. But like you said, that kind of weight loss is a thing you got to be smart about strategic about not just, you know, go nuts, go on some crazy thing, hack a bunch of fat off and say that that's what it's going to be. That's not healthy. So no seems like this is being done the right way. If he loses more weight, does he have to change his name? Jelly Roll still, you know, it implies what it implies, but I think he's okay with that. Sure. So we've said all of those names. We still talk about them as the beastie boys, even though true, they are, they have not been boys for quite some time. People are understanding about such things. Quick update on an important case. Ed Sheeran has come out on top in an appeals case involving we're still on this. We're still doing this. His 2014 song Thinking Out Loud with the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruling that it did not infringe the copyright of Marvin Gaye's Let's Get It On. Sheeran was first accused of plagiarism in 2016 by the family of Ed Townsend who co wrote Let's Get It On. That suit was dismissed in 2017, was followed in 2018 by another suit by a company that owns part of the song's royalties, claiming that Sheeran copied Marvin Gaye's court progression and rhythm. On Friday, the court deemed that the two songs share only, quote, fundamental musical building blocks, quote, and to rule in favor of structured asset sales would be detrimental to artists creativity everywhere. Quote from the ruling, the four court progression at issue, ubiquitous in pop music, even coupled with a syncopated harmonic rhythm is too well explored to meet the originality threshold that copyright law demands, over protecting such over protecting such basic elements would threaten to stifle creativity and undermine the purpose of copyright law. So this has been going on for eight years, multiple suits, multiple appeals. I don't know if they still have anywhere else left to go if they're still going to keep fighting this or if this is actually the end of this story, which shouldn't have ended a while back, you know, it's it's like a lose lose at this point, because both sides have probably lost money just fighting this thing for, you know, what probably shouldn't have been a suit in the first place. Look, it's, you know, in the end, it is for the betterment of the creative community to have this ruling on paper, saying that this is does not constitute sufficient basis for any sort of plagiarism suit. Right. Again, that terrible ruling in the blurred lines case that established the idea that it felt like a different Marvin Gaye song that blurred lines felt like got to give it up late a very bad precedent. And that's really what this case was still continuing to challenge was, well, if that case one, this this one kind of feels like let's get it on. So let's, you know, try that again. But that is obviously not a sustainable criterion for these kinds of rulings. And so hopefully we put this one behind us and it squashes more frivolous cases from popping up. That would be good. And last thing we should mention again, we've got we've got a cure review coming from a listener later in the show. But for those of you who are fans, I'm sure you noted that the cure did a record release show in London at Truxy live streaming the show around the world. Robert Smith saying this is their one appearance this year. And this was not one of those 45 minute special event record release events to say that you didn't keep everybody happy. This was in fact a three hour performance in keeping with the marathon sets that the cure we're playing through this whole last tour. Yep. And far beyond that, the man played the new album in full before launching into various fan favorites, other cure classics, and five songs from the 1980 album, 17 seconds. That is a fan show. That is a fan show on a fan release. Also should mention that Robert Smith did a very rare print interview with The New York Times that came out last week, much of which was spent to him talking about his fight around ticket prices as well, that he continues on that crusade. And obviously, as they've announced next year, we'll start the 50th anniversary celebrations that will mark the end of the cure, a three year plan, right for touring and the other albums that he says have been finished or near finished, all of which will wrap them up after a 50 year run. We will certainly be hearing about his ticket prices and policies whenever those next dates get announced. He might be meeting Liam and Noel in a pub to have a discussion on a strategy. It's time to meeting of the minds. I don't know where Liam and Noel, they talk so much shit about everybody. I don't know where they come down on the cure. That would be the oddest conversation that three of them I just have ever seen them weigh in on that. Somebody who's a bigger fan will know the answer there. And they can hate the cure or think they're the greatest fan ever. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. No, I do not know. I can't call that one at all. I know that this performance from London was live streamed. I know that it was still up in full after the fact. I don't know if they've said if it's just going to stay there on the Cures YouTube channel forever or if it's there for a limited period. I would say to go watch, I would tell you that, especially if you didn't see any of these last performances, but to see them play the new album in full. And then a couple hours more stuff. As they do as they do. All right. There's a whole bunch of music news to consider. We're going to take a break when we come back. Mark and I sat down with legendary photographer Lynn Goldsmith to talk about her new study of Patti Smith before Easter after. 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I'm at Lynn about a hundred years ago. 200, 200, something like that. Lynn, in case you don't know, is a legendary photographer, director, author, multi published movies, docs. And there is a brand new book just out. And I'm going to my first question is what exactly is the name? Is it Patty Smith before Easter after? Or is it Patty Smith Easter before after? We're artists, Patty. So we're not going to make it easy on you, right? It's before Easter because the body of work, both my photographs and some of the writing is before what is her most successful album to date Easter. And then there are also pictures for the period of time after Easter. So it's before Easter after. And I just want to get in here that what Mark neglected to say, but I have the video footage for is when he interviewed me as an MTV VJ when I was Will Powers. I remember that. How could you forget that? I was your first and only interview where I believe you were interviewing someone inside a television show. Yeah. Yes. And that was really how we met in 1983. Wow. It's been great. How you been? I have the footage. I'm going to need you to hand that over. You look great. You should want it to be out there forever. So this era of Patty that's documented in the book, what's the years? What's the parameters here? Where are we? How much are we covering? We're covering probably from about 1985 to moments just after the 80s, because the book does end with "Power to the People," which was a song that Patty wrote the lyrics to at the bequest of her late husband, who has just gotten into the rock and roll Hall of Fame from the MC5. And that's Fred Sonic Smith. So there is a last chapter in the book specifically with photographs and writings that have to do with the people in Patty's life, whether it was Richard Sol, who was in the early days of the Patty Smith Band in past, her brother, and Alan Landier from Blue Oyster Cult. So that ending of the book is, I think, it was emotional for me kind of revisiting those times. And I think for Patty too, and she wrote some beautiful remarks there. What was your relationship with Patty at that point? Had you known her for a while? I mean, I see there's some great pictures in the book that I go back aways. Yes, a long time ago. I think our favorites are the ones of us. That's another interesting thing, right towards the beginning of the book is a photo of Patty taking a picture of you back in the day. So that's why I'm asking, what was your relationship at that moment? Well, I feel we were always friends. You know, there are people that you meet. And Patty was one of the rare few who I felt like, God, I've known them my whole life. And then I find out that they're from Detroit, just like I was. Well, Patty was born in Chicago. So that's just a four hour drive from Detroit. But she had that feeling of someone that I'd known in this life and in, you know, if there are such things as, you know, past lives or whatever. Yeah. So when I met her, and I think this happened more often when we were young anyway, you kind of meet people and they visually fit what you consider to be your tribe of friends. They listen to the same kind of music as your tribe of friends. And that's more or less how you were attracted to developing relationships with people. With this book, really, the effect of this book is celebrating this sort of ongoing relationship between a photographer and a subject and a history that you have together and access that you had over all of this time. I don't really think that's what it is. I mean, that's what comes through for me is this is a thing that goes on over years and through different stages for her and after her accident. That's the cool thing about art. You know, it's going to mean different things to different people. I felt and Patty felt that we had all these images from 40 years ago and plus and that it was a period of time that many people identify with. I think it's part of the reason for the success of her book, Just Kids, which is translated into 28 languages. I think there's a kind of real connection that people make to that period of time, late 60s, early 70s, mid 70s. And so to be able to make a book that would be complemented with her writings was, for me, a way of making something that I felt people who really loved Patty, as well as people who don't know Patty, could benefit by because we're all looking to be fed in some way. The picture, which is on the cover, and which opens up the is inside the book as well, has a poem across from it. That poem, it's the only time it's ever been seen. And it was written by Sam Shepard, who wrote that poem when he was alive, because he and his partner at the time, Jessica Lang, were going to rent my house in Woodstock. And I had that picture of Patty on my desk up in Woodstock, along with one of Bob Dylan. And Sam asked me if he could get a print of that image. And he wrote that poem for that image. And I just put it away. And actually, it wasn't until we were doing the book that I found it in my papers and gave it to Patty. And so I think that's meaningful, not just to me and Patty, but the people who are inspired by her. I think are inspired as well by the fact that she wrote a play with Sam when she was so young and a range of things. So little gems like that are in the book. So again, before Easter after, there's many, many, many photos from, I don't know if it was one session or multiple sessions for that album. And from the copy that you include with the photos and just from observing, it was, I guess, not your typical photographer subject kind of deal. It seemed to be there was a lot of collaboration going on. Yeah, you brought the camera, but she brought everything else. Clothing, props, attitude that you say in the book. So was that session like this book? Is the book also a collaborative effort? Yes, the book is collaborative. Patty helped me, you know, kind of arrange it as chapters. But the the work of any good portrait photographer is a collaboration. There's no such thing, really, as in my opinion, as getting a great photograph of anyone who doesn't open up for you. And there were many things that Patty brought to the session, not only for her own session, but which she gave to me that I used on other people. And there are things in the book, many things that Patty tried, which she normally would have said no to. For example, there's a double page picture of her in this like feather headdress with big silver balls. And that's not Patty at all. But she was willing to try it just because I thought it would be fun. And besides that, it makes a pattern interrupt. So there are or for example, in many of the shoots that were done to consider for an Easter album cover, because we did a lot of different setups for that, you know, I brought it wouldn't be like Patty to wear like flowers above her head. But she trusted me. And that's the kind of collaboration that you want with anybody who's in front of your camera. The difference with Patty is that Patty really understands as an artist that when she's in front of a lens, she's not thinking about or worried about like who is Patty Smith. She's very good at like just being Patty Smith. And that's very different. There are many people that one would think whether it's Bruce Springsteen, a range of people who have been in front of the camera many, many times. But often I can see they're feeling vulnerable because something is going to be maybe seen that they might not want to show or that they won't look as good as they would like to look. Isn't that why they invented contact sheets? Well, that isn't that why they invented digital so that they could see you do it right now and then say delete that one. So is that? I mean, I was going to ask what it is with Patty, obviously the artist that she is herself and the writer and the visionary that she is, what it is that she brings into those sessions. It's obviously that openness, that understanding of what it is that you're creating together. But is there anything from her side of that exchange that you see in these photos? Oh yeah, Patty's an artist in her own right. And therefore, bringing to it the knowledge of what goes into making something stronger or not as effective. And as a photographer herself, and I'm a painter, Patty's a painter, we are people who have a variety of modes of expression. And Patty had plenty of practice being in front of a camera, both with her friend Judy Lynn and with Robert Maplethorpe before she ever met me. So there was a comfort level. Most people don't have whether it's a romantic mate or a friend to really get so comfortable with the camera that they can then kind of go to the next level of helping you to make an image. It is a lot more difficult to be a subject than people would imagine. And that's why a great photographer is a huge help at turning out some great photos. What I notice here is I kind of likened it to what Taylor Swift has been doing lately, which is she'll put out the album and then she'll put out 50 more tracks. Some people say, you know, we really didn't need all those tracks. And there's shots in here that I feel like Patty would be like, Jesus, why on earth would you include that outtake? You know, what we wanted to do was to show people what goes into a shoot. That's why we're sharing contact sheets. That's why I'm sharing more than one image from a set up. It's because I think it's really important that people understand that these individuals, whether they're actors or musicians, whatever it is who are doing or like yourself, you know, putting pictures together that you kind of wonder, well, what were the other ones in the shoot? And we're being open and sharing them. It also agree or disagree with this. You tell me, feels like this was a different time when you had time. And when you had, I mean, now we are so inundated with images. Now everybody can so carefully control and control themselves, what it is that they put out there. They don't need anyone to mediate between them and their audience. This was such a special way of her communicating all the ideas, all the messages. This was a way for her to do that. Do you get, I don't want to say nostalgic, but you know, do you put this together and think, man, we were really able to do some stuff back then? Oh, yeah, I really feel frustrated in today's world where there are artists who aren't documenting that. And even if they're not putting it out now, but saving it for later, you know, no one trusts anybody. What's going to happen to everything? An example would be that recently, well, she was 17 at the time, she's now 18, but Grace Bowers, who I saw on Instagram playing guitar. And I thought she was fantastic. Really cool. So I just messaged her and said, you know, I'd really like to work with you. And she said, can I bring my mother? I said, yes. And her mother is like as adorable as she is. And you know, what I would really like is to kind of show Grace's growth over this time. This is a really important time, you know, the beginning. Forget that she's 18. It's like the beginning. And she's getting to play with, she's 18. And she gets to play with Gary Clark, Jr. And I mean, you name all these people who are like now saying, Oh, this little cute little blonde. Oh, and she's really such a joy to shoot because she's young. And it's not like she needs hair and makeup or retouching, you know, you can just shoot Grace. So there's an example of that. And you'd think they'd take me up on it. And we, you know, get ready for maybe five years from now a book, you know, but that's like, you know, trying to convince people. And I'm over, you know, I'm just getting too old for that. I know it should be done. But that's they don't need to sit for interviews. They don't need to sit for extensive shoots. They can do exactly what they want and send that out to their audience. And that's they hold all the cards. Well, the only problem with that is that they're missing a real joy. There are things like this picture that I mentioned of Patty with the feather headdress and the silver things that sat in the drawer for 40 years. You know, now we look at it and you look at it with new eyes, right? And there were other pictures that had to do with just documenting the time that you feel differently about them. So why not have that record and put it away, even if it doesn't appeal to you in the moment? You know, but what happens now is I think we are being fed what they want us to believe their reality is. And so there's no chance in the future that that can be reevaluated and looked at again. And that's what I find kind of sad, not kind of sad, actually sad. Yeah. It's always difficult in an audio medium to talk about pictures. But I'm going to mention a couple that there is a shot of Patty and Lou Reed, where the badass Lou Reed is joking with her and giving her like the razz like that. He has his tongue out and he's like, and they're both laughing. Where when what was happening at that moment? That was actually a Patty at the time lived at one fifth avenue, which is where SNL used to have their parties after the show. And besides the fact that, you know, I was friends with many of the people from Saturday Night Live, and I was always at those parties, it was in Patty's building. So Patty would come downstairs. And that's just a moment at a Saturday Night Live party, you know, where Lou showed up, and they're just fooling. Yeah. And yeah, I thought Lou should be in there. And you were also there when she had that accident. That's I was just going to ask in terms of documenting, in terms of a story here for those who don't know, somewhere within this is when Patty falls off a stage, breaks her neck, and we don't know what her future looks like or her performance looks like. Talk about, you know, sort of shooting and being around through that whole chapter. Actually, I had recently broken up with someone, and Patty said, why don't you come on the road with me? Because I was unhappy. And I said, okay. And so we were going to choose starting a tour, and it was in Florida. It was the first night of the tour when she was on stage, and she was spinning doing this dervish, which she always did. And she was pretty much always in control. And because the stage was at least 14 feet high, I wasn't going to shoot from the pit area because it was too high. So I was on the side of the stage. And I saw a wire there, and I thought, oh, did she see it or does she not see it? Because I would have to run out and like pull the wire, right? And just at that moment, she tripped over the wire and went off the stage. And in the book, you can see it's out of focus, but that's her brother carrying her. And she broke her neck. When we were backstage, you know, where they took her immediately, I have been a documentary photographer covering things that are not pleasant to cover. And so I have experience of separating myself from actually what's happening to document it so that other people can understand what's happening. But with Patty, I mean, it wasn't like an earthquake in Mexico, it was my friend, just fell off a stage. I said to her, because she was conscious, she was bleeding, I said, you know, what do you want me to do? And she knew what I was saying. And she said, shoot. No kidding. Wow, that's that's cool. Because you did. There's shots of her being, you know, on the the gurney being hoisted into the ambulance. And there's shots of her x ray, her skull. Is that what she meant? Does she mean that too? Well, shoot my skull. Yeah, no, I figured, you know, I always wanted to see her skull anyway, I want to see everybody's skull. So yeah, so I photographed the x ray on a light box there. And then you have the you have her in a neck brace, which is I'm sure way after that. Well, what's no that way, what's really important is, yes, she's in the neck brace and also her battle of physical recovery, you know, with her trainer there. And during that period of time, because obviously she couldn't tour, she didn't know if she would ever tour again, Patty focused on her writing. And that was how she wrote the book Babel, because she, you know, she had to stay home. And it was hard for her to do that. You know, we're young energetic people. And as you can see from the pictures of her in the book with the brace, you couldn't kind of keep her down. She was going out delivering like protest signs on the steps of the Metropolitan Museum. She gave a lecture, you see her teaching like a bunch of kids. She seems pretty joyous during all of that too. You'd never know she's recovering from a broken neck. Yeah, and really bad, which she has to this day, really bad migraines. The book is fascinating. And the shots are incredible and iconic. And it was a joy to to page through this and take me back to those moments and to see some of those incredible, you know, behind the scenes things that you hear about. And you know, like the shot of her with with William Burrow. I mean, you know, so I want to say thanks for the book. Nice job. The access and the moment, the sort of coverage of it is great. But also just seeing the range of there's, you know, beauty and lightness to her that's, you know, not a lot of what we see in a lot of other stuff. I mean, the way that she sort of become the amazing warrior that she's become. There's these other pieces of her that are, you know, I won't say unfamiliar, but certainly less familiar and really, really striking to see. Yeah, and she is a warrior. But I think as much as I appreciate, you know, you're valuing the pictures. The pictures are deepened for me by her choice of either what lyrics will go with certain pictures, what writings of hers. There is an interview that's never been published with William Burrows. There is her explanation of where she got her, whether it's her leather jacket or her green raincoat. So there's commentary as well as her writing, which to me, that's really what Patty is. She's a poet. She's a writer. William Goldsmith, great to reconnect. And in this way. Oh, absolutely. I have to send you a link to us in 1983. Please do and make sure that it doesn't go anywhere else. Why, Mark, you were so handsome. I grew up in public. I know. Have you met all modern? All modern brings you the best of modern furniture and decor. And right now through November 20th, you'll score up to 50% off during their early access to Black Friday sale. Prep your space for holiday hosting with deals on cozy beds, modern tabletop essentials, and more, all on sale at all modern. Then get them delivered for free in days. You heard that right days. That's modern made simple. Shop all modern's early access to Black Friday sale now through November 20th at allmodern.com. Asara, the most one apart from is the kind of cologne that chooses you, like a stranger at a bar sliding you a bottle. 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Join our Facebook page at sounduppod.com and stay connected to everything sound up related, including future live shows, including the show that we're going to record with you the audience next Wednesday, November 13th at 9 p.m. Check all of the socials and postings and mailings and all of that for further details about that. That's right. And we did get a couple reviews sent to us this week. The first one comes from pod squad or Scott Borden who sent us a review, which I've not heard yet. We're going to hear it for the first time here of Morrissey live, which I guess means he did perform. I'm just assuming that's what happens. Let's find out. Here's another poolside review from Scott in Houston. On Halloween, I saw Morrissey. I think I should consider myself lucky. He actually showed up. He did say I have overcome extreme physical problems to be here tonight, and I'm very happy. Morrissey, happy, rare, but I'll take it. He played 21 songs over the two hour set that included a three song encore. He sang three Smith songs, including How Soon Is Now, and played a number of solo album cuts, including the live debut of the song I Ex Love You. He kept his between song comments to a minimum and wished us Texans good luck in the upcoming elections. We definitely need the luck. He looked healthy and his voice sounded strong and vibrant, and the emotion of every lyric warmed the audience like a familiar security blanket. Morrissey fans are serious, and every one of the 2500 plus audience members seemed fulfilled, and I was amazed that for the entire show, the merch line stayed 100 people deep. Who knows? Maybe Johnny Ma and Morrissey can have an Oasis epiphany, and we can see half of this miss at Coachella. I have tickets to see Level E the Band and Mod Son on Sunday. I'll try to send in a review. Thanks, guys. All right. He got a full show. As I mentioned at the top, I did read about maybe the next show, where a bunch of fans rushed the stage to embrace Morrissey, and he ran off, and that was the end of the show. So too much love and enough love. Don't touch Morrissey. It's a simple rule. That's always a good one. It does not like it. It should be on a t-shirt. Don't touch Morrissey. Right. We got something else? I know. Yeah, we got a review, an album review, of this highly anticipated album from the Cure Songs of a Lost World, from Mick in Cleveland. Hey, guys. It is Mick in Cleveland, and I am sending in a quick review of the brand new Cure album Songs of a Lost World, which released today officially. I've been listening to it nonstop since it dropped, and I will back up the earlier reviews that are out there. This is a fantastic album. It's the best album the Cure has put out in decades, and really just an impressive effort all the way around. It goes back to a lot of the Cure's finest high points and roots, you know, that era of disintegration with these cinematic sweeping soundscapes to the Songs, and this really engulfing texture to the production that pulls you into it. But it doesn't just stay there complacent in what they've done before. They've added a lot of dynamics to the Songs. There are Songs in this album that get much more dark and with a brooding kind of texture, this heavier element and some distortion in the guitars that almost reminds me a little bit of some of the industrial elements of bands like God Flesh, to be honest, this low kind of heavy riffage that's in there. But the Songs themselves are deeply, deeply personal. I mean, from a band that famously said it doesn't matter if we all die, this is an eye level look right into the mouth of mortality and facing what's going on with the loss of loved ones in Robert Smith's life and his own mortality. Just, I mean, really, really an impressive effort. And you get to like the last song of the album called End Song, which is probably the curious song to ever song. It's God again, this like captivating sort of brooding rhythmic build to it, but it's still really, really beautiful, honestly. And the lyrics themselves are artistic, but they're accessible. It's super, super relatable and just gut wrenching. And I think it's something that literally everyone anywhere can relate to this song. And you listen to him just end that song and the word nothing. And it's hard to have a dry eye. Anyway, I just want to throw in my plug for it. Fantastic album. They're best by far. And thanks again. He brought up the guitar work on this record. And you know, Robert Smith does play guitar and has written some beautiful lines and beautiful melodies. But this is the first Cure Studio album to feature Cure member Reeves Cabrell, who joined the band. And I think 2012. And there has not been an album since then. So yes, that is. I don't think there's been an album since 2008. Right. 16 years, I think is then 16 years. Yeah, the last album was 413 Dream in 2008. Yeah, pretty universal response and a claim. And I'm okay with that. I think that you're just going to get a Grammy for this record. Well, I won't until not this year. We should actually, that's another thing to mention. Should have mentioned it and news should have mentioned it earlier. This Friday Grammy nominations come out. Yeah. Another thing we will be talking about next week, for sure, because Grammy nominations will be announced on Friday morning, whenever that date is the eighth. So that's going to be one of the bigger stories coming up this week. The Cure was not the only new music released on Friday. However, and as always, we got a couple of new music picks of our own. I will go real quick with two songs. One is from a singer named Cleo Sol, British singer songwriter, very involved part of the salt, very mysterious R&B collective salt. She is married to inflow, who is the primary producer for salt as well as many others. And she's put out five albums, I think. This is a new standalone single No Word, whether there's an album coming or what, but a song called Fear When You Fly that is absolutely beautiful. It makes me think of an old mini Ripperton song, that kind of, not quite acoustic soul, because it's not fully acoustic. There are electric guitars, but you know, live drums, very sort of spare, airy, lots of space in the vocals, really, really gorgeous song. And I love the whole feel, all the stuff that's been coming out of that camp. But this is a really lovely feel out of time a little bit, and happy to have it. So that from Cleo Sol, there was that new Shade song last week, right, different feel, because Shade Stone still, even though this came out under her name as Shade Adu, not as the band, still has that feel to it. This is even sort of more spare, more airy, more stripped, but really, really nice. And the other one is I bet you don't know that a new song came out from Paul Simon on Friday. I did not know this that I did not see mentioned anywhere, anywhere. Also, just one song, it's a duet with Edie Brekell with his wife. They have talked about making a duet's record for years and years and years. I don't know if this is an indication that that's coming. Really, all we've been hearing from Paul Simon is, is, you know, that he's lost hearing in one of his ears. He's been working hard to raise money and, you know, hope to increase efforts on audio health, to get back to a place where he may be able to do more performing, make more music, but that's all we know. And in the meantime, this song called Bad Dream came out last week, and nobody knows that. It's really good, very sort of like over a blues, like almost a sort of money waters acoustic guitar riff, kind of a riff. The two of them singing together sound great. He sings the first verse, they sing the second together, she sings the third verse, and it's definitely a song for this moment, Bad Dream ending on the song on the line. I'm wondering, where is the country? I promised my children, but not very specific, a very sort of, I don't even want to call a protest song, but a sort of general, imagistic song. Steve Gad playing the drums, Mike Alizondo plays the bass, and it's really good. And I swear, I haven't seen one thing about it anywhere. So go punch in Paul Simon, listen to this song Bad Dream when it comes up. And I think if you're the kind who would be interested, you're going to be interested. I don't know how that happens. How does Paul Simon release a song with no press, no announcement? Nothing. I don't have an answer. I'm glad that I stumbled across it one way or another. We're glad you're out there digging and hunting and, and, and, you know, out with your magnifying glass looking for these things. Oh, just two in our part. What do you got? So I have two songs that from two artists, I do not know a ton of, but it's two female artists, two really hard rocking female artists, I should say. The first one I was turned on to from one of our pod squad members, Laura, who sent me this YouTube clip of this artist. And I believe her name is pronounced Channa, it's C-H-E-N-A. And she is a female vocalist and guitarist who is really, really interesting. I'm first of all, she can rip on guitar and she's got a fantastic voice. And the music's really heavy, but her vocal approach is way more rooted, I would say, in R&B and pop. So she's got that R&B pop style of singing interwoven over this heavy metal music and shredding guitar. And it's really, really interesting and it works really well. And she's this really pretty dynamic front woman and it's just really interesting and I'd not heard of her. And I was out with friends and the video popped up on my phone and I immediately started showing it to friends. I'm like, check out this new artist, this is fantastic. And it seems like it's just the one song for now. No mention that I could see of a full album on the streaming services, but hopefully that means more is coming. She's an LA based artist and check it out. I think you're really, really going to dig this if you're into the harder edged side of rock. So there's that and then another harder edged female vocalist, this one female vocalist in a band is Dorothy. So Dorothy's someone I've been following for a little bit, I think turned onto back in the Eddie Trump days and just the band is called Dorothy, but the singer is Dorothy Martin. Dorothy dropped a new song on Halloween, very appropriate, called The Devil I Know. Great song, Great Hooks. I think there's a video for it. I'm not 100% sure. Once again, no mention of an album is from what I can tell, but hopefully this means there is more music coming from the band, Dorothy, who I think their last album was in 2022. So they are due for a new full album, but this is another great song from them with a great hook, great vocals, and appropriately released on Halloween was The Devil I Know by Dorothy. All right. And that just about wraps up this edition of Sound Up. Don't forget to check us out on socials, YouTube for exclusive content, full video episodes and more. All at Sound Up Pod, you can email us, connect@sounduppod.com with text or, as you heard, with voice messages so that we can get your concert reviews, your album reviews, your questions, thoughts, whatever else is going on. Give us a five star review, subscribe to our YouTube page, subscribe to the podcast, like our Facebook page, email us, reach out one way or another, and stay hooked into what we're doing. Thanks for listening. Thanks for supporting us here on Sound Up. Mark Goodman will be back next week and we will see you then. 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On episode #66 of “Sound Up!,” Mark and Alan welcome legendary photographer Lynn Goldsmith to discuss her latest book, Patti Smith: Before Easter After. In music news, we discuss Oasis cracking down on ticket resales, Young Thug getting out of prison, Ed Sheeran winning a big court case, The Cure performing a three-hour record release show in London, and Jell Roll dropping 100 pounds while touring. We get two reviews from our Sound Up Pod Squad, one of The Cure’s new album Songs of a Lost World and another of Morrissey live.
This week’s new music picks feature tracks from Dorothy, Chena, Cleo Sol, and Paul Simon.
