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Visit maxlawevents.com for full event details and to grab your ticket today. Run your law firm. The right way. The right way. This is the maximum lawyer podcast. The maximum lawyer podcast. Your hosts, Jim Hacking, and Tyson Nutrix. Let's partner up and maximize your firm. Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the maximum lawyer podcast. I'm Jim Hacking. I'm Tyson Nutrix. What's up Jimbo? Tyson, it's been a strange week. You know, in immigration land, if you apply for citizenship and you've been involved in prostitution, you can't become a U.S. citizen. It might be hard. I've had two different people this week. I haven't talked about prostitution with a naturalization client in a really long time. I had a porn star who was worried that porn was prostitution and then I had a lady who had a profile on a well-known escort service that she was on for seven months, but she claimed to never have had sex for money. So, it's been an interesting week. So, we all want to know now is porn prostitution. Is that considered? I think I turned it over to you. I'm asking the general public. I discussed it on my show yesterday. Most people thought not. And I think there's probably a First Amendment problem there somewhere in there. But, you know, the porn guy ended up hiring a different lawyer so I didn't have to do much research on it. Well, I think if porn and prostitution were the same thing, this is the first time we've ever discussed anything like this on the show, then I think they would be treated the same, but they're not treated the same legally, so I can't imagine that they are the same. Wow, what an interesting thing. Let's introduce today's guest, Brian Manning. You didn't see that coming, did you, Brian? Brian, for a first, that's fun. Brian, what's your opinion on this? Very hot topic. Yeah, what you just said, Tyson, it's like, you know, it's not treated as prostitution for general purposes. I don't think so. Yeah, this should be good. This guy said he saw it on Reddit before his interview, so when the officer kept asking him if he was involved in prostitution, he kept saying no comment, no comment, no comment. So his case got denied because you can't say no comment at your naturalization interview. He thought that was going to save the day. Oh, my gosh, that's crazy. Well, let's make sure I give Brian the proper introduction. Brian Manning is a political asylum lawyer. He does immigration like Jim Bo does. He started his law firm, political asylum lawyers in January 2020 after working for 11 years for the government's two main agencies for asylum and refugee affairs. Brian served for over two years at the Houston Asylum Office, including an asylum officer, as an asylum officer and a congressional liaison, which we'll get to more of the stuff in a moment. I think that that gives you a pretty good idea to Brian's background, but Brian, welcome to the show. Thanks, guys. Really glad to be here. Long time fan. I was listening to you guys before I even like started my practice, back when I was working for the government. I reached out to Jim like several years ago. So I think I've listened to probably every episode. So glad to be here. Brian and I spoke more before he opened his firm than anyone I've ever spoken to. I remember specific conversations when Brian was thinking about making the leap and, but Brian, you've been on the show before, right? Yeah, it was like, I think my first month having my firm open, probably like in like February of 2020, right before COVID. Awesome. Great. So that'll be a nice little segue then into what we're going to talk about today, which is this awesome six week trip that you took outside the United States with your boys and your spouse. And we're able to run your firm. I want to get to all that, but talk to us for me just for my own pleasure. If you remember, I was teasing you about this the other day. What were your goals back then when you first started in specifically? I'm talking about you sort of had what I thought was like a cap on your goals and then talk to us about how you sort of blown through that. Yeah, Jim, when you were my official business coach for a while there, it was like I was thinking, you know, I want things to be simple. Like I just envision myself having like, you know, maybe one associate, a couple of paralegals, a support person and like, that's it. I don't, you know, I don't want to like try to grow bigger than that because it sounds hard. The people element sounds like a hassle and stressful. So I was like, you know, I can probably make decent money, but just keep it kind of small, but have some flexibility and just be good with that. But like what happened was over time, I started realizing like, wait a second, those stressors that I was worried about, yeah, they're true. Like it's like dealing with people in like your firm is hard, but it's not really any harder than other kinds of stressors that come as you grow your business. And so I was like, listen, if I'm going to be stressed either way, I'm always, I mean, I'm always going to be thinking about the business almost 24/7, right? It never goes away. If I'm going to have that in my life, it's like, why not take advantage of the upside that comes with growth? And yeah, you have to deal with different problems, but you know, there's a saying, different level, different devil such that, you know, you're always stressed, but the stress that the problems are changing, but at least on the other side, you can really take advantage of some of the benefits of growth if you're willing to scale your firm. And for me, it's like, I was like, wait a second, you're telling me that I can make more money and actually do less of the stuff that I don't like and have more flexibility of both like sort of time and geography. If I'm willing to leverage, you know, my time by hiring people and growing, I became convinced that, you know, that you could do that just by seeing people who've done it and learning from people like you guys. And so it was like, why not try to grow? And so I've been pretty purposeful then, you know, the last few years trying to do that. And yeah, I still have a lot of stress and problems, but they're just different kinds. And I've got more upside than I thought that I could have when I launched the firm, you know, almost five years ago. So it's interesting. I had coffee with Chris Regaby this morning. He's a guild member. And we were talking about his two week vacation that he just took. He went to Istanbul and went to Greece. And he was talking about how, and we had talked beforehand with him about like what to do prep wise. And it's interesting because we're going to be talking to you about your six-week vacation that you took. But I know he was very apprehensive about the trip and how things were going to go. And it was interesting because his second week he had zero internet. So he was not able to communicate with the office. He had a brand new assistant that was starting with him. So he was just, they had just migrated to a new system. So a lot of things happening all at one time. And so it was pretty, he said the first week was pretty laid back. The second week he was really stressed because he didn't have any internet. But when it comes to like getting ready for this six-week trip that you went on, and I'd love to hear some of the details about that as well later on. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. Like, so I'll say that for the first like 10 days, I was on what I call like emergency-only access, which is like for my team, like don't even, don't, don't @ me, you know, in our Google chat, like don't, don't call me. Don't text me. Don't @ me unless it's an emergency. And so what does that mean? We have to define what an emergency means. So like I just worked up a document. I just sat down and tried to think through like, what are the things that like, I really want to know about if something happens such that, you know, I consider it an emergency such that I'm going to like check my phone once at night, every day or maybe twice a day to see if I've got like an emergency access. I set up a special channel, kind of like a Slack channel. We use Google chat. They call them spaces. It's like emergencies. I told them to chat me there and to text my phone. And I would check that a couple of times a day for emergencies during my emergency-only access time. But the key then is defining what an emergency is, right? So it's just sitting down and thinking through like, what are the things that, if they break or come up, I really need to know about like, if an, you know, examples are like, if an employee quits, if someone, if there's something happens that suggests we might get sued by someone, if we miss a deadline. You know, just like big things. And I made a list and I tried to give some examples of, you know, sort of gray area things of like this would be, I would consider this an emergency. This thing, I would not to just sort of give examples. And then, you know, I did this a couple of times on shorter trips. And when I came back, I would sort of do a debrief with my, with my leadership team of like, okay, you did contact me for this thing. You consider this to be an emergency. I agree. Good. Like, and so like, well, like add that to the, to the briefing sheet or to the, you know, to the definition sheet of like, you know, this is an emergency or this thing was not, this would not be. So you sort of like iterate and, you know, keep continuing to perfect it over time to where you've really got that sort of dialed in to where there are expectations back at the office around what is an emergency. So the first 10 days of my trip of six weeks, I was on that. Like, and I got maybe one emergency chat that time and it wasn't anything. It took me more than 20 minutes to deal with. So that was great. And then after that, for the rest of the six weeks, I worked two hours a day, maybe, just to sort of keep, keep things moving. But yeah, the keys I think for me are like having that emergency access only sort of definitions in place, but I mean, you can't do it. I don't think you can, you can't do it while being on emergency access only or like very, very limited work unless you have a good staff, right? I mean, you have to have people in place and, you know, keeping the business running. And so I was thoughtful about that over the last couple of years and trying to get to this place where like, I want to be able to go on vacation and trust that things are going to work well while I'm gone. And then I would have my staff also, my leadership team, like, send me kind of briefing notes each day about like a couple of, about, you know, key points that I should know about or any key decisions that needed to be made. And I would just sort of work through that doing, you know, spending an hour a day on sort of communications like that. But then I would do like, make some, you know, TikTok videos for an hour a day. So stuff like that. But yeah, it's, it takes some planning. It was a little bit daunting for my team. And some of my leadership team was like, like, oh, I don't know, Brian, they were, they were a little bit nervous about it, you know, as was I. But like, it works. You can make it work. And it's just a matter of like deciding, I want to do this. And I'm going to try to lay some groundwork by setting expectations and talking through, you know, when you should contact me and, you know, who's going to be doing what in my absence. So with planning, you can, you know, you can keep sort of improving and having to be a, hopefully a better experience each time you try it. Yeah. So I think that that's, I think those are great ground rules. I think that's fantastic. What was your, what was your mindset leading up to? And I know you said you were a little stressed about it, but like, did you feel ready? Did you feel like you were going, like everything was going to be okay? Or like were you, were you pretty apprehensive about it? I'm just curious. Yeah, I was, I was nervous. Like I had gone, I'd gone for spring break this year for like maybe eight nights or something on this emergency on the access. So I tried that before, but like the whole like six weeks and I was in, I was in Kenya, Qatar and Greece. I didn't have good internet access for some of those, for some stints, some times during that. So I was, I was pretty nervous about it. And you know, it made for a pretty stressful month leading up to it to try to be like, I get as much in place as I can, get some key work done and just get everyone prepared in terms of knowing who's doing what while I'm gone. So it is, it does lead to some stress building up, building up to it. Brian, where did you guys go and how did you handle the time zone difference? I started in Kenya and did, you know, the safari thing for like, we were there for like 10 nights and then Qatar, like basically flying from Nairobi. We wanted to go to Greece and like it was either a connection between through Doha, Qatar or through Egypt. And my wife and I had been to Egypt before. We'd never been to Qatar. So like, let's go through there. Let's why not actually go there since we've never been there. So we spit, stayed like five or six nights there on the way. So Qatar and then Greece and Greece, we went to a few different places. We're in Greece for like a month. Time difference. I mean, I didn't take any special measures for that. It's, it's like, depending on where you are in the world, right? You know, that was, I was, I was east. So I was like ahead of US Central time that I'm normally operating on as where the summer before I'd gone to like Tahiti and was like the opposite way. So it's, it's, it kind of either depending on where you are, it does make it sort of stressful to where like you wake up to a bunch of messages that you have to like sort of sort through and some stressors that hit you very early in the morning or you wake up in your morning is chill and, but then like late at night when you're like trying to go to bed, if you're checking your phone at eight, nine, 10, 11 o'clock, it's like everyone's in full swing back at the office. So that could be a little bit tricky, but like, I mean, I just told my, my, my staff, like, you know, don't expect to hear from me except for, you know, probably between these set hours and then I would try to communicate during those few hours of the day, you know, apart from sort of really important stuff. I would just fit that in whenever. But, you know, it's a sacrifice that it's like, it's okay. If even though I'm, you know, I might be spending 40 minutes going back and forth on something at nine 30 p.m. in Greece, like not ideal, but like, I got to spend a month in Greece. So it's like, it's okay. All right. So, so tell us about favorite parts of the trip. Cause I want to hear about the actual trip. We can get back to some of the business stuff a little bit. Yeah. I mean, Ken, Ken is great. Super cool. My kids really like that whole so far. I think a lot, you know, Qatar was a really fun surprise. Like, I've never, I've never been to like Dubai, but I, I picture that it's pretty much very similar to Dubai in that like, it's like lux. Like everything in, in Doha was just like super nice and new and like luxurious. Which was interesting. So that was, that was a really fun surprise. And then in, in Greece for part of that time, for about two of the four weeks we were there, our, my wife and I, all four of the parents met us there. So we were with them, which is fun, good trip with the kids and stuff, but a lot of hand-holding, you know, the parents are a little older and you haven't traveled so much. And so it was a lot of, a lot of hand-holding, but it was good family time together. So yeah, it's, it's great. Greece is my favorite country. I lived in Bulgaria for a couple years, which borders Greece and like, we could drive there from degrees from Bulgaria, like four hours and be like a good beach. So we kind of fell in love with it. And it's overall, it's my favorite country. Paris is my favorite city, but Greece is my favorite country. Brian, talk to us about how, whether anyone in the office sort of stepped up or has stepped up over time to make you feel comfortable being gone or make you happy when you got back. Yeah, that's a big part of it. I got pretty lucky with my first two hires. They've been with me. The first one I hired about a year and a half into my law firm, which is way too slow. 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If something comes up, like, and you're not able to get to it because you're asleep in the middle of the night, wherever it's like you having that confidence that you've got responsible people with good judgment in place is really good. So, yeah, part of it for me to have peace of mind is exactly that, Jim. It's having some leadership folks back in the office that are like truly trust and who are just very good and competent at what they do. Did anything feel better than expected or worse than expected? You know, case signups went better than expected. The last summer when I was gone as well for like almost a month, two years, or a year and a half ago, that was the same thing. It was like the case signups were higher, however, while it was gone. But that's kind of a product of our lag time, of our sales cycle being like two and a half weeks or so from the consultation to when people sign, like it's sort of the median. Such that like, I was, you know, busting my ass the month before I left. I got to do a ton of consultations or we have to do a ton of consultations since I'm going to be gone for a month such that a lot of those came in while I was on vacation. So, that's nice. When you're on vacation, oh, yeah, case signups are good. Last year, like the not this past summer with the one before, there was a big drop off that month that I came back because I had been the one doing the consultations. And so, when I was on vacation, they just weren't getting done. Now, that's a huge difference to this year when this most recent summer where I'm not the person who does the consultation, I do a few, but no, I don't do many. So, if you can keep that function moving while you're gone, if it's not dependent upon you, it frees you up massively to, you know, to be on vacation or at least to like work irregular hours and not have to worry about sitting in front of the computer with like good lighting and good audio at a certain time to do, you know, video conference consultations, that sort of thing. So, getting that staff, like the consultations piece moving that almost entirely off of my plate was a huge victory in terms of being able to do this to be gone for quite a while with less stress this time around. Brian, I think a lot of law firm owners set themselves up for vacation and think that they're going to leave everything to the team, but then they don't really do it, right? They sort of check back in, they dabble, they stick their nose back in, and this is true just in regular delegation. So, how have you been able to sort of maintain those boundaries and how did you make sure that, I guess, building it in ahead of time probably helped with that? Yeah, and it does, but then, you know, mindset of just like what kind of law firm, thinking about what kind of law firm do I want to have? Like thinking in the, you know, a year from now, two years, five years from now, like do I want to be able to be the guy who can, the person who can really take like 30 days off with like no contact emergency or emergency only access? Like, yeah, I want that and to work up to that, it's like, I got to sort of start and train myself of like being disciplined. Okay, let's go 10 days, emergency only access, and like Brian, be just if one, be strong. Don't check your phone except for during those two times a day where you're going to check only for emergencies. You're not going to go into the other chats or emails. So, you know, it's just mindset of like thinking, where do I want to get to in terms of what the law firm is going to look like and what it's going to mean for me and my freedom of time and flexibility of time and geography? And then sort of being like, okay, baby steps to get there. Let's build up with more days and more days and more resolve to not check back in. But yeah, it's tempting. And of course, I still did it sometimes. Were you able to get to the point where you kind of had like a clear mind where you like, you know, we get so stuck in the day to day sometimes that it was like, we're just thinking about that. I mean, were you able to step away enough from the business where you felt like you, you got to relax and you kind of cleared your mind a little bit? Yeah, you know, I found that for me, it takes maybe six or seven or eight nights of like not working to really be like, oh, to get to get to that different headspace, you know, where you feel like you're not obsessing about the business 24/7. So yeah, I did, especially when I had that emergency only access in Kenya. I had enough time there to get to where I really felt like, okay, I'm not, I'm hardly thinking about it at all, which is nice. And we all need that, but it's hard to get. And, you know, maybe for some people, it's like they just a long weekend away is enough to like really recharge and getting that different headspace that is just really sort of cathartic and healthy. But for me, it takes longer. It takes like, I don't know, six or eight nights or something. I think that's a really good point. And I've said this before is there's just such a huge difference with basically 0% responsibility or 0% work versus 1% responsibility, 1% work. When you leave a little gray area there, there's just so much opportunity for mischief either for people to give you too much stuff that you don't want or for you to take in too much stuff that you don't want. Yeah, yeah, totally. If you can like go to like less than 1%, it's to me, I agree. It feels like a different sort of headspace to be in this much healthier and just better for you. How was it when you came back? Good. Yeah, I mean, because, you know, there was no major fires or anything. And like I said, case signups were good. So like you, so I came back feeling, you know, pretty good. And I didn't have a huge drop off this year because, you know, I wasn't the one doing consultations. So they kept going in my absence. So it was good. You know, I worry a little bit about the stress that it puts on the team, you know, so like coming back. I'm thinking like, oh, are they holding it against me? Are they sort of, you know, especially my leadership team? It's like, are they thinking it's not fair that Brian gets to go take off this much time when, you know, no one else can. So I feel a little bit of discomfort around that, but I'm trying to tell myself that like, that's a perk. That's an owner perk that, you know, is a fair exchange for like the risk and hassle and stress that you take on as a business owner. So yeah, I had a little bit, I had a little bit of like returning guilt over the difficult position that I put people in, but yeah, it is what it is. Did you miss work at all? It's one of those things where it's like kind of like going back to school after the summer break, you know, where it's like, yeah, you're glad to be back for like at least a week or so to see everyone and just like feel like you're getting back in that routine sounds kind of nice. It feels kind of good. But then after a few days, it kind of wears off, you know, so that's kind of how I was like, no, I didn't miss it while I was away really. I wasn't like, oh, I wish I was working. And then when I got back, I was excited to be back, but then it was like, you know, a few days in just like school. It's like, oh, it feels like you're already, you know, pretty quickly back in the grind. But I'll say, you know, getting a really good break, like we were talking about earlier, more than just like a few days where you really get to that different headspace, I feel like you do get a little bit of a boot, still get a boost from that that lasts for, you know, some weeks or a month or two where you feel like, oh, I know I just came off a long vacation like that, I should be rested. So I feel like I am rested. So I feel like you gain something from that, or at least, you know, a few weeks when you get back from a good trip like that. I think this whole episode has been an answer to the question I'm about to ask you, but I'm going to ask you anyway, what do you say to the law firm owners who think, oh, I could never do this. I could never make it six weeks without my firm. My firm would grind to a halt or, you know, we wouldn't sign up, we'd go way down and we wouldn't have any money left when I got back. I think it's really about deciding like what you want. Like, if you want that, it's cool. If you don't have any interest in this stuff that we're talking about today, but if like you do want to be able to check out of your law firm for several weeks at a time, it's really about deciding that you want that first of all, getting clear on, you know, yes, I want that. And if you do, then it's working backward to like, okay, how do I achieve that? And I think that as you think through that, my mindset is really important understanding that like, as with all sort of change or anything that's a little bit unknown, it's going to feel a little bit scary and it's going to feel a little bit hard to be like, oh, but, you know, things will not run as well without me and that'll be bad and it'll be, that's, that feels scary. It's like recognizing that you have this sort of fear of something that is a little bit unknown and new to you and recognizing that that's perfectly normal, but that if you just sort of push through that and get on the other side of that hump, it's probably going to work out and you're probably going to be very, very glad that you did. So it's like, if you want to do it, you got to just resolve that like, I'm going to at least start sure small if you want, but like be very intentional and purposeful about putting some things in place in terms of people that can keep things moving while you're gone. And like actual plans, like the, you know, the policy of like, when do you contact me for emergencies in place and, and mapping out ahead of time, like, who is doing what, you know, for us, like, none of this. I'm not super organized. We're the firm is four and a half, almost five years old, and we're still working to get organized and professionalize like that's been my real focus is last year is like trying to have like a real business instead of just a law firm. And it took me, you know, a couple years, three years probably to get to the point where we even had like actual workflows for our sort of core case types of like, taskings of who does, you know, exactly what step and by when. And I think it would be really hard to go on like a, to check out for quite a while without having those kinds of systems in place policies, procedures and systems. You know, they say systems run a business and people run systems and like, you got to have the people, you got to have the systems and you got to have the people that can still be there running the systems and making sure the policies and procedures are executed against while you're gone. So it does take some, you know, sort of institutional framework work to put those things in place, but like, even someone with, you know, one staff member, it's like, you can still do it and just start small for, you know, and just be gone for four days with emergency only access. And just build up. Brian, I think that's, you gave incredible advice. I think at the very beginning, you also gave like a lot of great tips on how to really set this up, set yourself up for success whenever you take any vacation, but especially a longer one. We are going to start to wrap things up though. If people want to reach out to you, how do they get in touch with you, Brian? Thanks. So my first, my email is great. Brian, my first is my first name, B-R-I-A-N. And then at it's kind of long, politicalassilumlawyers.com. Brian at politicalassilumlawyers.com. Love it. All right. We are going to wrap things up. If you could, while we're doing this, we would love it if you could give us a five-star review wherever you get your podcast. It really does help us spread the love to lawyers all over the world that want to listen to, getting better with their law firms. And we are going to get to our tips and hacks in the week in a moment. Before I do that though, if you want to join us on the big Facebook group, just go to Facebook and search maximum lawyer. If you want to join the guild, go to maxlawgilled.com and you can join us there. You'll be able to see us in Vegas. If you want to go to Vegas, I believe there might be a couple of tickets left. I'm not 100% sure, but go to maxlawgilled.com. You should be able to find information about that as well. Jimmy, what's your hack of the week? We celebrated my assistant's third anniversary with us this week. She's been with me for now three years and she really keeps me on track. I'm a low follow through and she's an eight follow through on the Colby. So having someone who complements your strengths, who brings their own strengths to the table that sort of helps with your blind spots has been invaluable. She got so much done this week that would have sat on my plate or my desk for weeks and there were even things that I needed to do that she got me to do much faster and much more completely than I would have if I were sort of left my own devices. So find someone who complements your strengths. It is always really fascinating to me whenever a person clicks into place like a Lego, just right. And you're like, it just, everything feels so much better and everything gets done and you're like, wow, that's perfect. So I just love that feeling. That's cool. Great for you, Jimbo. All right, Brian, you've done this before. You were on episode 203. So anyway, once I find that no upper limit was that one. It's a really good episode. But you know the routine. What tip or hack do you have for us? Thank you. Before I say that, let me just express my appreciation for maximum lawyer for both of you guys, Jim and Tyson, and for the guild as well. Those things have all been hugely helpful to me in my law firm. So thank you for all the work that you guys do and for everyone in the community for all the support. So I really, really appreciate it from it. Have a non attorney salesperson do your consultations. This has been a game changer for me. This, I know this has come up in discussions and podcasts and stuff from time to time, but I decided to go all in and hire real sales people, like actual sales people that have like done sales for several years. Not just like, oh, I worked at a call center or whatever, like actual sales. It's just a completely different mindset than you get with an attorney attorney. An attorney just doesn't have the sort of the mindset to like go out and make sales. So the, you know, I think lawyers are, they tend to think like, oh, it's, it's, it's law. So it has to be a lawyer doing this. There's no rule against selling legal services as a non lawyer. You can't give legal advice, but you can sell legal services. So like, I don't, I don't talk to most people that sign up with our firm, most clients, they come just through talking to a non attorney salesperson. And like, like the one that I've got two coming on right now. And then I've got one that's been with me for like four months. And she's like, awesome. She's like way better than the guy that I had doing. I'm who's a lawyer and better than me. So that's my tip. I think what we have to do is have you back on to do that topic by itself, because I think people would really like to hear that part of it because I know that we have non attorney people that, but they're not sales that they don't have experience in sales. Some of them have actually most of them have experience in marketing, but not necessarily sales. So I would like to hear more about that. I know that Jim doesn't hire any sales people either, but I think that that's, it's something that I have definitely tinkered with. I've got a really good friend who's a salesperson. I've just been a little bit afraid of hiring a really good friend to work for the firm, especially a role that I've never hired for before. But I would love to test it out. I've got a lot of ideas about it. So, and I'd love to ask you about it. We're at the heavy back on to talk about that. You'd be great. My tip of the week, I don't know if it's as cool as yours, but I got the new iPhone 16 Pro Max, and there's a new feature on the whenever on the camera that you can actually pause your video. I don't know if you'll, I'm sure you all probably haven't been in the middle of a video, and something happens where you would like to pause it, but you can't. You got to like stop the video and then record a separate video and then piece them together. You can actually pause the video and then start recording again when you're ready again, which I think is a really cool feature. It's not a part of, I have the 14. I have them both. I've looked side to side. It wasn't an operating system update. It's just on the new phone. There's a lot of other cool features too that are on the new one, but it's pretty interesting. So, you'll just check it out. All right, Brian, thanks so much for coming on. Appreciate it. Love share. A lot of great advice you gave. I can't wait to talk to you about the next topic too, but really cool. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Pleasure. Appreciate it. Thanks, Brian. Bye, guys. Thanks for listening to the maximum lawyer podcast. To stay in contact with your host and to access more content, go to maximumlawyer.com. Have a great week and catch you next time. Hey, before you go, stick with me for just a minute because I have a discount that is exclusive to maximum lawyer podcast listeners only, and I want to make sure you know about it. As you all know, it is absolutely crucial to stay on top of calls with clients, with court staff, with judges. I even had a client the other day say that the provider was calling him say that they've been trying to get ahold of us and they had left us a couple voicemails. Well, that's impossible to our firm because we don't have voicemails. It's extremely important to us that a live person answer the phone, and so we got rid of our voicemails a long time ago. 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