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2843: CRIMEWATCH: The Impact of Climate Change of Livestock
this is the crime watch program yes my name is iron lasso and we are going to look at the impact of climate change on livestock yes and this program comes your way every monday after the news bulletin in english and i'm here in the studio with lieutenant angelo uh malua lacock and also uh we have a police advisor boba caromosijo plus uh police advisor florence danielle lambiel and uh uh lieutenant angeles from the national police service director of border and livestock well welcome all to the program the aim of this program is to talk about livestock and we are going to discuss about this in more details and without any further ado let's start with lieutenant angelo first of all what is livestock thank you iron for giving the opportunity livestock refer to domestication animal raise or cave in homes cattle camp and farm for food keis lever skin and height they including cows pigs sheep goats horses donkeys camel poultry and among others right i was about to ask what about dogs because you say domesticated animals and then i saw careful food then i remember that this morning i by the way in the newspapers there's a revelation that there is dog meat now in the butchers and that of course is being done illegally that's why my mind went to dog to see if there's any justification that dogs can be kept for meat all right thank you so much for that and coming to you florence what benefits do we get from livestock yeah as mr lieutenant angelo mentioned livestock is seen first for his feeding properties in some ways we'll talk about food for process but there are other purposes and we can find other interesting side on livestock except food security is bringing milk and and meat but we can use also the livestock and it is it is used for labor um you have you can pull or bring use it as as a local artisanal truck in some ways and you can also use other product from the the livestock in the the urine for example has a septic antiseptic properties they can be used to disinfect sometimes even open small wounds or disinfect different things the dunk from the cattle is used as well for as a for lighting up the fire for the fire or using to put it on the wall for example for basic um basic oh sorry i'm losing my word today i think i'm under the shock of this dog this dog needs so it's like after recovery so anyway i would just want to say that yeah there's multiple usage of of the livestock and of course then you can sell it you can you can sell the skin you can use the bones in different ways so and and also that's something that we notice in southwood and this is a very important cultural impact and livestock is just also contributing to the prestige of someone or helping someone to find this place in society in some ways right thank you so much for that um yes and and coming back to you lieutenant what are some of the livestock or laws regulations in in the country so it's also done laws are regulation geared towards managing these livestock resources which is estimated there are 36 million livestock in south Sudan we have livestock policy or ministry of livestock and fisheries overseas livestock development health and marketing and also we have animal health regulation governing animal disease control vaccination and quarantine measures we have also livestock marketing regulation guidelines for marketing trading and exporting livestock which is for ministry of life ministry of trading and also for ministry of environment we have environment impact assessment required for assessing environment impact livestock and police act 2008 animal protection which is ethical 109 up to 200 is talking about protection of livestock in south Sudan and then with our agency also we have other life when we start also the animal we including also wild animal we have a soul uh laws of 2003 which is also for detection of wildlife and national fog regulating activities that infug environment and conservation right okay thank you so much for that uh i will back here mosee hoe uh hearing from you what is the impact or before we continue is there anything else from the questions i asked your colleague that she would like to weigh in before we before i give you your question okay thank you very much i read for always hosting us here right to be proud of us yet with you read your miraya as we serve our community members i want to say in our communities here we have livestock and to be specific i will give an example of a cow once you have such an animal in your home you can be sure food yeah the miracle the beef and actually on the entire cow there is nothing you can throw really because Florence mentioned that you can use the dang as manure the bones too the bone is can also be processed something yes the whole is can be processed into batonnes the hide the hide can make shoes nails nice bugs i saw you with a nice bug this morning and i said wow so yeah blood can be processed into a local dish yeah yeah so what do you throw from a cow it appears nothing there is nothing our role should be to see that this cow continues providing for our homes and all other things will be sorted even if you wanted the money mr angel talked about the livestock marketing regulation it means there is a business out of livestock and they are enabling laws to ensure that the sector moves from one level to another i think i wanted to add it okay thank you now let's talk about the impact or or bring climate change into the mix so what is the impact of climate change on livestock okay thank you our way of the fact that our main source of livelihood is livestock amideast the climatic shocks of drought for a long time like of who now as of now we are about to enter into the drought season where maintaining livestock will be challenging to their past solids in terms of food that is a pasture and then water me and you we can afford you to eat from nearby places i can't go with you to a supermarket and we buy food by water go to a hotel there is no hotel for livestock their hotel is everywhere and they grass and water are always in short supply during drought season of course climate somebody would say but what is a climate that you're talking about i want to say climate is the general change in the weather condition is i know some time back there are places where we use our forests we also have all sorts of natural resources but they have been affected in one or the other because of our history now i would want to say that with all these climatic condition is we see growth of that there is a concern because livestock welfare gets affected but then this directly leads into poor feeding poor feeding quality even if the cows will be eating something around the January February the quality of what they will be eating will not be able to make them grow heresy give us enough meat of course it will remain still a cow but what is the size of that cow how much milk can you get so all climatic condition is affect livestock sector in terms of loss of weight and growth for the livestock i would want my livestock to weigh even 500 kilograms if possible but now if because of climatic condition is that cow be a beast which are always me i would be happy so long as it is that one because you're looking at the meat and the supply yes than having a cow which is 50 kilograms which is a bag of seven and i have very many and yet i'm not getting so much out of them then the climatic condition is like i made the mission affect water resources so there is water resource water scarcity which leads to dehydration and decrease the milk production and the quality a way of the fact that 90 percent of the milk is water and now if the cows are not taking enough water do you think we shall get the milk no of course no so the other effect is the there is disease and parasite infection which lead to livestock mortality livestock is part of the living things and the characteristics are known to all of us they are born they live they die actually die so when climatic condition is changed you can always be sure that a pastoralist will lose part of his livestock remember there is transurements where my brother angel talked about movement of livestock from one place to another for long distances but what are they looking for it is not for tourism they are looking for water and pasture yeah in the process they get infected with diseases out of mixing with all animals remember when we are children we are vaccinated against the killer diseases all your bla bla bla now the live stock in most cases is not immunized you treat it when it is already sick then climatic condition is generally if i would talk about to hit a way of the fact that around the march there was excessive hit here which made the national minister of education to close schools but livestock management continued where they know to live in under hash condition is they were so the livestock gets stressed you find a cow which has been so polite in the morning becoming aggressive even to the harder and that one affects their fertility they cannot be able to produce the behavior pattern has also changed and this is not a very good sign as a pastoralist we need to factor in ways of working with the experts with stakeholders to improve on other conditions which i like to be favorable for livestock right so how big of a challenge is a climatic impact since also then have those been felt yet yeah we are fearing this but of course sometimes people may not be aware that the challenge is big our role should be continuous engagement hmm like he if you go to bench you problems talked about the benefits of livestock you will find people fearing water from the river using donkeys and you have a donkey but because of climatic condition is being harsh there is a drought there is water floods the cow they don't you will also not be able to move in a matter that what i am yes to bring for you the water at home so at the end of the day you may have best natural water which is an ekleine and aniseve familiar use but also when the water is much you may not find grazing areas you don't find grazing areas and what happens it leads to mortality of the livestock right then in other words animals die and you will not be able to feed your family or even sell it for any money now thank you so much there uh Florence how should we mitigate the impact of climate change in on on livestock well i guess we have to reconsider the way we're dealing with livestock at the moment uh the way we're dealing with it is also inhabit and it's putting back those habits into questions and maybe adjust them or change them for example my colleague I will back here mention the water water is a big issue as we know um then how can we preserve this water how can we how can we manage it in a better way so we can we can have the livestock needs the water but also taking into consideration that agriculture needs to have access to the water so it needs to to bring awareness of the scarcity of water a climate change also make difference this less rain maybe some spots where there used to be a lot of water is going to be less water so how do we manage that this is this is one one option um we need to so to why not we mention agriculture and to to me agriculture and livestock are two sides of the theme same points because they are made to to bring us food the first um the first aim so how do we we can maybe try find out a new new way of practices practicing the agriculture like mixed farming irrigation um regarding the livestock we can try to um consider zero grazing or moving them in different ways maybe not so long it's just uh it's a whole concept we have to take all the elements all together and and also uh vaccination is is something that is important and could be developing no it's not happening here at the moment so these are a few hints that we could follow and just try to I just this is my change thank you so much and let's talk about the immunization I think as other parts of a country do you mean out of the of the world do you mean is there a livestock but as it appears we maybe don't or maybe on a very small scale why is that so that one actually is kind of be able to answer that question because we are a modern livestock yeah okay we are for the ministry of livestock because we are the one carrying our the oxidation it's colder okay I suppose the one though of those should be here to answer that question would you like to jump in yeah thank you very much I attended the National livestock conference last year okay in Yuba all stakeholders from the different states we are present including officials from the national ministry of livestock one thing which is very true the practice of vaccination is being done although on small scales some particular farmers and I would say pass over this have been trained to support colleagues new vaccination the UNFOW that is food and agriculture organization has been at the lead of this quite often they move even including to places like terra caca the cattle camps and the conductive vaccination why vaccination to increase on the resistance of disease infection by today to the cattle yeah and with that we can have a heres a cow I also had something wearing that the livestock conference of one heres because you can't go to treat the livestock and you don't treat the what the password they also get infected in one word yeah yeah so they have a concept of one heres where they treat both the hadas and their families as well as the cattle which is a good group practice I would like to request that there should be further discussion is because of the different location is on the facilities imagine somebody going a place which is very far accessing these extension services may become very difficult yeah and even if they have a stock to support them during the time they are on transumers it may become hard because if a cow is sick it needs time to rest yeah but to remember you must they are moving long distance where do you find the time for this to enter cows for example to rest as you are treating them yes right thank you so much yeah thank you so much for also listening to us and if you have any question there and you are cattle harder you have your livestock and you have any question or if you are affected by climate change and you have been grappling with questions here and there we have people in the studio with me to help you through you can call on 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-8-7-9 or 0-9-1-2-0-6-8-1-0-1 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-9-2-9 for any question or any comment but if for any reason you are unable to contact us on those lines send an SMS on 0-9-1-2-1-7-7-1-4 unless they take this caller yes Miraya good morning good morning Irene Lass good morning how are you I'm fine thank you call me in Galomakwie yes good work what's your question or comment yes I would like to have a question how can we know that those lives are stuck in the water I mean oh no I have lost Galomakwie I do not know I cannot guess what the question was but most definitely was related to livestock if you can Galomakwie you can call us again 0-9-1-2-0-6-7-8-7-9 I think he was relating water and cattle but the question was not very very clear but yes let's continue with the crime world's program Lieutenant Angelo let's speak about the transhumous process when animals work for very long distances since you're the director you're in the directorate of border and livestock just paint us a picture how often does this happen and how in big numbers does this happen so actually the moving of the livestock is a random here in South Sudan actually it's not organized sometimes when they hide there's a move from place they don't inform the authority so you also you are caught by surprise yes yes a court and same time is also bringing the conflicts among the communities where they are moved because as per my brother who did in climate change same time is evaluated some areas are being affected by flood and then they start moving from that place to the other place which are not flooded yeah so when they go there maybe they go earlier before the harvest right now we are in the season of the other harvest some places are harvest earlier and some places are not yet so when they move from the affected area to the safe area they also cause a problem in the family yeah so it need also authority to intervene and bring in also the security to guard the the movement of the human yes so and the authority is you you they are direct to it right exactly so how are you working with those hardest well for us actually we are not dealing with animals in by dealing with the cross-border animals or for like animals that may be that would be coming from Uganda for example exactly okay so you're not that domestic there are no we are not domestic because those are this up on the state government so they are the one to organize the police and there also the entire with your cooperation with your military right but you still have working hand in hand domestic exactly right right okay um would you like to jump in upbiker yeah i want to say we have had a very good practice as you hold your sword let me hope this is uh our caller alia yes me right good morning good morning yes good morning how are you this is john oh this is john yes john what's your question um i'm actually you know calling on the main road from europe i'm not driving to the jubah but i have enjoyed the discussion in the car okay it's very interesting you know the question that i would like to have you know somebody put it before talking about uh you know making our life talk you know more economic benefit or rather than to make it as a tourist attraction we have seen we have seen you know some kawajana coming and then with mandari that was not taking pictures very pictures and all that as it was so how can the government make sure that our we have used livestock that our life six million at a lot of contribute not our economy you know in the place where i drive you find a lot of cars on the mirror than everywhere and this is the government would have invested in it would have been the people you know uh the house they need people right how can the industry and our partners that are helping uh you know improve our lives of you know can contribute to make sure that you contribute to a national economy that's one too quickly you know regarding the vaccination you know by doing this you have to keep it as opposed to pay taxes the animal tax it's not just utilized at the moment if the government was supposed to know to work hard with the partners in the underlying ministry to make sure that the animal affects the native and then it's supposed to pay animal tax that can also be another generating income for the government okay so how how possible you know can the government make sure that this thing is put in place okay and it's working yes who will be taking that okay i want to say something okay on on which part on what joni has shared okay i love his attention to radio mirror programs hmm even when he's driving he still has tuned in yes how i wish i get a chance to meet him one day when he's in juba he thought i didn't listen to you he was in juba okay that is a good right so he's interested in knowing how livestock should be made more beneficial more commercial than simply us looking at you know how we attract hatters into subscribing yes we need to engage these hatters a hat has a parent a hat has a brother a hat has a community leader so they lead the ships they lead the leadership is at all levels even in a cattle camp there is a name i came to learn got one good luck yeah never mind yeah the leader in the cattle camp that's a lead in the cattle yes i didn't you didn't know that's what no i didn't i'm learning so there is leadership at all fronts right and when we share this information the leadership should go ahead to translate some of this in the local language we are unfortunate that we have not translated it in the local version for my brother who is in here all in a cattle camp can live follow but i believe you will summarize it in one way or the other all right so that they understand okay i just hold the thought i want to take at least three questions before we really continue miraya good morning good morning hi Elaso yes good morning how are you i'm fine thank you oh yes welcome back what is your question yeah my question was like i wanted to know yeah because live is tough in today's world i've been because they've been killed and then what is the subject of life so when it come to people when it comes to antas because uh like i mean because we are talking of the mistake right yes the must take care the must take our failure the ones kept at home are there hunters at home yes some other hunters are no oh oh you mean the one the the you you mean the raiders the people who raid cattle yeah the word is cattle nowadays because the economic crisis too many cattle have been raided killed for the for the me to be so allowed what is your advice with the people who usually kill for the consumption yeah all right is that the question because alia is what you spoke about water and livestock so i thought your question would still be yeah i was confused before i was like thinking about livestock in the water the marine life job no no no all right thank you so much all right thank you so much if you know that we are talking about the one we came at home yeah the one we keep at home indeed okay let's take the last question me right good morning hello mirei you must be listening to your radio can you just turn your volume the volume of the radio down yes mirei good morning okay this person is still connected to his radio and that's quite an interruption yes mirei good morning yeah good morning mirei how are you doing today i'm fine this is our ground for the wall yes our braham what is your question yeah my question is this to the to the visitors within the radio in the live stock now they are protected well because now the arabian in the in the term of the business is going well and maybe now the if you can get the one car may be raised to two thousand dollars or one thousand now in the market and we see uh is mean you have income second now the the 70 of the live stock if you go to the wishes to the auction you know you involve sometime they can kill almost one and that or more than indubas always i think and what is the 70 of those cow is the the people make it their their life only to eat meat meat every day do you think the cow they will not finish do you feel it's it's an issue when people eat too much meat yeah we need to be preserving another cattle okay kala chukran okay chukran the zealand yes um arabian is worried at the rate that people are consuming meat uh our cattle or livestock will will finish is that is that a true statement yeah no yes arabian i i mean i would like yeah thank you very much i will complete what joni had the ask quick read please that the the government of sausudan with stakeholders the national police services sspdf the national minister of livestock and those relevant ministries at state level are doing their best to have alive step the alive stock sector developed there is even a laboratory to test animal related diseases just in the world at the national ministry here right right so all these are efforts aimed at ensuring that we the sector is moved to another level and the issue of security is also being addressed and remember each person has a role to play in enhancing security in their areas right once security is for the restaurant in all places of course we have revenue collection yeah even in jubai so i i think we're paying the tax the hunters uh that is an area of discussion yeah they may pay indirect tax through buying vaccines for the live store right but they may not be necessary charged of course we can always discuss that yeah then abraham asked a question but i'll begin with his fear that there's a lot of houses the abbot was across the stairs are very busy are very busy but remember when angela was talking about livestock he mentioned they use why do we keep the live store for food yeah for cash for labor for skin is anti-hydes yeah so where shall we get the skin is anti-hydes now plus i think these animals reproduce yes yeah so you eat this one tomorrow there are three more that ever have been i talked about that that the climate the climate change affects reproduction yes now if we sort the climate issues the shocks these cows will be able to reproduce right right okay let me give a chance to mr angela do you have any question you would like to answer yeah i would like to go back with you on to yawn yes also what i mean i think the role of the government are guiding the the live store you know so we know the number of the live stock and saucer that is bigger than the number of population yes so we are we have 36 million and the number of the people is like against around 12 million yes three time is okay then the problem with government face is a utilization of a live stock oh especially uh kettle they are not well utilized and we have someone complaining at least we are over eating cattle yet the government is saying we are under utilizing them yeah we are not utilizing them because their number is big and there's no specific area where you located that animals especially for in that situation to take place or for grazing of uh water is also a problem for the government that's why i say it's not utilized okay so it's concerning now it's the tax so how kind you can you tax their lives so which are not utilized so we need also to include the community okay to understand the role of the government and to understand the benefit of the live stock in the country right so each and everyone has his own and doesn't want to be count he doesn't want to be taxed so people are hiding the numbers of cattle they haven't been there they don't tell you the real number okay so also it's a problem right yes we are doing business with them right now we are supporting a huge number of live stock to neighboring country okay kongo yukanda where so has a musin good mention we take tax from indirect when they are supporting here do where we take the tax but when they are grazing them we don't take tax okay right so it's also necessary that's clear enough but but i think john is advocating that we you introduce that tax because it's a way of making more money for the government yes actually the government is working on it because up to date minister of live stock and fisheries has no act so that is still working on is and deserves those that don't be successful okay hopefully that will be included thank so much florence uh i mean there was a question from got lwak about the cattle raids and the perpetrators what advice would you give for those people who are terrorizing others over their cattle well if i um remember the other radio maria talk show we had the occasion to talk about the catarators and what we could do uh to prevent it and everything uh my advice would be really if if we have some cattle raiders you know listening to us now today uh hopefully hopefully it's like how would you feel if you were the one being raided yeah it's a loss uh try to put yourself okay we understand there's some reasons if you you're doing a raid is we're not going to discuss about the motivation now but there's some reason but try to put yourself in the other shoes and how would you feel that you're here you're suddenly see your cattle being taken away you're on the worst case your family being hurt or killed and everything you've been working for being destroyed in a few seconds yeah yeah that's painful yeah yes have a happy monkey blaraby in the same uh addressing the same thing speaking to the puppetryist says [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] all right thank you so much yes Florence as we conclude what is your final message um what i was listening to you especially the answer to you mr. john i was thinking about another option how could the government actually use this this enormous cattle that is here in south so we talked about food we talked about the diverse project that livestock can bring but um if i if i give it may i give an example for my country we also have country which is Switzerland right and in Switzerland we also do have cattle and the cattle is quite important and in just before the summer when we have to bring them up in the mountains um some cows they have to fight among themselves in order to find let's say a leader we call the cow the queen who's going to lead the herd up in the mountains and actually this cultural thing became a touristic thing as well it's been promoted it's been pictures didn't mean so nowadays it's a big um it's it's almost like a a festival and bringing people from the road or they come and they want to watch the cows fighting and then when the queen is selected they put flowers on the cow so it's it became something that is a touristic attraction and this is also way of bringing income and positive things using the cattle in a different way and bringing income to the country and promoting a different like tourism and travels and different areas of economic side right okay thank you so much and finally mr thank you for all this has reminded me around 2013 i watched a go-to rest okay when you're in your garden i said you got the yes we have put to a stage to fight of course whether they fought or not is another point of discussion and i enjoyed it but of course as a younger child even in the villages we used to have a fight of the livestock then we would get entertained way of grazing yeah i want to say a lot of discussion should be beginning now about livestock yeah and particularly the best practices that you will see the sector move from where we are today right to the next and most sustainable if i have livestock i should be able to keep it than struggling longer distances remember more when you become weak and old you are not able to move in the two three kilometer all right thank you so much i'll have to catch you there because we are about to enter the time of the news in arabic thank you so much gentlemen and lady i do appreciate your time thank you very great and yes that has been our crime watch program for this week and thank you so much too for asking the questions i hope you have been answered well my name is iron lasso coming up is a news bulletin in arabic have very good morning Meraya.