On this week's episode of "Who's Your Band?," we're joined by musician, singer, and songwriter Cassidy Catanzaro! We dive deep into Cassidy's personal journey, the complexities of fame and the music industry, weight loss, the unsettling dynamics of celebrity culture, political agendas, Diddy, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, and so much more!
Who's Your Band?
The Truth About Diddy, Fame, and the Music Industry: A Deep Dive with Cassidy Catanzaro!
(upbeat music) Normally the intro part of the podcast that says, "Welcome to Who's You Been?" (laughing) People joined by my co-host, Sean Moore, is not gonna be said tonight because I am taking the lead on this one because my co-host is out doing something that is more important to him than this podcast. So he will be here in about a half an hour but my co-hosts for the next half hour, let me just tell you something. Number one, good friend of mine. Number two, way better looking than Jeff. Number three, never been on stage doing comedy, funnier than Jeff. Number four, amazing, amazing singer. One of my dearest friends in the world, my dear friend, Cassidy. - It's so good to see you. You look outstanding, like shockingly amazing. How do you feel? Do you feel great? - I, you know, this was part of a joke that I did and I took it out and it's a legit thing. People will always say, "How do you feel?" - No, I'm in more pain than I've ever been in my entire life because no matter what, no matter what, I'm 48. I'm 48, so. - I know. And I'll tell you right now, me and Skinny makes you achy, doesn't it? - Everything hurts. I have parts of me that I just found, like different muscles and my knees and my calves that they just decided to like, you know, hey, let's just start giving him pain every day of his life. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But no, it's a big difference. It's, it's, it's fun though. You know, it's, it's very, very different. - Do you have that panic? 'Cause I know, so listen, it's relative, right? What somebody considers like, they have to lose weight and they don't have to lose weight. I, I struggled with my weight, you know, not to the same degree, but when I was in, I would say my 20s and 30s especially. I would say my high weight, like I'm 5'3". So I was probably 40, maybe 44 to 45 pounds heavier than I am now. - You're a twig, you're tiny. - Yeah, yeah, now I'm really small. Like now for me, I'm actually more skinny than I've ever been. And it's weird 'cause it's like the older I get, the skinnier I get, which it's usually the complete opposite. Like women don't usually women do the opposite, but I'm sort of going through like, you know, all the things formerly that women go through as you get older, but I'm getting skinnier, which is so bizarre. But when I was heavier, I was just, I was gonna say, I remember I would lose the weight and there would be like, always like a fear that it was gonna come back. Like I always had that in the back of my head that I was worried all the time. And I don't know if that's just like a chick thing or if that's something that, do you think about that? Does that? - No, I've spent about $15,000 in the past year on a fucking new wardrobe. So I am not, I am terrified of gaining two pounds, let alone. - So you're on it, so you're like laying yourself and like you're on it. - Me and myself, I weigh myself seven times a day. I'm like in the morning and then I'll take a peek and I'll weigh myself again. I don't have coffee. And then I'll, before I go to work, I weigh myself again and then I come home. - Okay, so you're like obsessed. Okay. - It's not pleasant. It's really not. But uh. - You're vibing your wife nuts? - Yes, well that's in general. That's in general. Yeah, but for me, like you were talking about, just having that little bit of a difference for me, I've never been this size. Like I was heavier freshman year of high school than I am now. - Wow. - So I've always, I went from 460 to 250. So it's like, it was a big job. It was a big difference. - I'm unbelievable. I mean, it's just such a beautiful thing. It's such an inspiration because so many people struggle and can't do it. It's so hard. And then when you think about, I've known so many people who've struggled and there's always that thing of like, they don't wanna start because it feels so insurmountable. It's just that when you're talking about 200 pounds, right? And you're gonna start. It's like, all right, it's great. I lost, I lost eight ounces. I lost four pounds. It's like, you know, 995 to go or 195 to go. It's like, it's overwhelming. And it keeps people from getting on that path. So I'm just super proud of you that you did that and that you stuck with it. Was there something specific that happened? I don't know. We didn't talk about it. Was there like- Yeah, I'll tell you. I mean, I think I mentioned it once or twice on the show, but I went to see Springsteen. It was April 14th of 2023. Spent ridiculous amount of money on tickets. I had first row in the 100th section at Prudential. So I'm right alongside the stage. I'm watching the show. I'm texting one of my best friends. We're having a great time. We're bullshitting, blah, blah, blah. And then the next morning, I got like a phone call that he dropped out of a heart attack that morning. My age, a week younger than me. So I was just kind of like, okay. I mean, and again, guys in great shape. It was a cop, whatever, blah, blah, blah, went to the wake and then it was just one of those things. I saw my dearest friends in the cast. And I looked down and honey, it just went like that. The key just turned and I said, I'm never gonna have my friends have to go through that. And the next day, I just went outside and I walked. So like I moved into the, I don't say it to country because you live in the country, but like compared to where you used to live, it's the country, you know? So I mapped a little path behind my house, like three miles. If I do it twice, it's like five miles, if I do it three times. And I just started walking one day and it was just one day and then one day turns to the next. And for one of the jokes I'm doing on stage, it was from April 15th to April 15th, it was 1,702 miles. - Wow. - Well, you just started walking and that was it. And that was sort of the beginning. - Yeah, that was it. Watch, started watching when they eat and when that was it, you have a tournament. - I just can't believe it. It's just incredible. It's like, it really is all it takes. And people make it more complicated than that. I had a girlfriend that was really very overweight, probably about 400 pounds or close. And she was brilliant and wonderful and had everything in the world going for her. But she used to say, I'll get back to the gym, but first I have to lose a little bit of weight and then I'll go back to like, there was always this like, there were always these excuses for like, which when she was good, she needed this to happen before she could do that, before she could do that. Just walk out your front door and walk to the end of the block and walk back to that. That's it. - Yeah, I agree. - Right? Start there. - The cool thing is I inspired one of my friends and he's gotten back into his health and is not the one that we were trying to work on. And like, you can't lead a horse to water. Like, you can't just tell people like how your success happens and it's gonna be the same for them. But like, you got it. You also got the honest with yourself. Like my one friend's like, oh, you know, I'm losing all, you know, you're losing all the weight, you're doing all the work and you know, I do the same thing. You know, I don't say it at a desk all day. I'm moving around, I'm doing this and doing that. I'm like, well, look, everybody's body's different. And then the next sentence, oh, you went to Philly. Did you get the new hers potato chips? No, I didn't get them. Oh, I bought all five bags. I had to buy at least two bags of each. Well, there's 10 bags potato chips that you just shoved down your fat face and that's the reason why it ain't coming off. - Yeah. - But yeah, I've slacked a little bit. I'm not going to lie, I've slacked a little bit, but it was, you know, it's bound to happen. - Well, it's normal. You have to live your life too, right? You don't want to be obsessed. - Yeah. - Finding that normal, see that balance and finding a place where you can be normal and not be like every single thing you have to panic about what puts in your mouth. But you just don't ever want to get back to where it was. That's all. It's just figuring out how to live like a normal person. - Yeah, it wasn't a drinker, you know. And, you know, I quit smoking. I quit all that shit, you know? And so, yeah, it's been fun. It's been fun since the last time we've hung out, but we have not seen each other in a few years, actually. The last time I saw you was doing one of those outdoor quarantine shows up in Sparta, which was great, but how have you recovered since the world shut down? Like, even just like, not even mentally, but like more, I would say socially, as far as your careers are going, 'cause you're kind of all over the map, which I love about it. - I am, I am. - But you have your hands on a bunch of different things and how did it really affect you to get back into the youth? - Yeah, you know, it's funny because this has been a conversation lately for me. The fact that I all bought totally left the music business, like just completely walked away from it. And it's been very difficult, more so for the people in my life than me necessarily. And the reason I say it that way is because it's hard, I think, when people like your work or they're proud of you or they're excited, you know, by the things that you've done in your career to sort of watch you say that you don't love it anymore and that you don't want to do it anymore. And it doesn't make a lot of sense. And I get that and I have a lot of guilt and a lot of, I feel like a lot of explaining to do. And so, you know, I get for pretty much everybody who does not know who I am because nobody knows who I am. I was in a band and we were very successful and it was awesome. And, you know, we had a lot of fun and I wrote a lot of songs and I met a lot of people and I lived out my dreams. But when I left my band, it's been sort of a process for me. I was writing on my own and I was doing, you know, trying to just experimenting with music. Like I needed a change. I needed to feel inspired. I needed to feel like I wasn't going to be doing the same, like the girls in my band, Antigone Rising, have literally been Antigone Rising for like 40 years, like their whole lives. And I'm not even trying to put them down. I just don't know how they do that. Like I don't get that. I have done 500,000 things before I was in that band. And then after I left that band, just because I think of the kind of artists that I am, I've always been an actor. I've always been a writer. I've always been interested in filmmaking. I've always been a painter and I make jewelry and I love gardening. And for me, I just wherever the inspiration is, I sort of go. So I did the music for a while when I left the band and I wrote and I was successful with that. I got very lucky. I got songs placed on some really big records and some into really big films. And a lot of that money still comes in. It's just, you know, by nature of how the industry works, you get royalties and stuff. So, but I was never one to like, oh, I just got a huge song on a huge record. I've got to do that again and I've got to do that again and I've got to do that again. It's just, it's not to say that I'm not ambitious. I'm just not competitive in that way. Like I don't need people to be like, she's so rich. Like for me to feel like I'm worthy to be on this planet or for people to like look at me, like with some kind of envy for the house I'm living in or the car I'm driving. Like I've never been that way. So while I've really loved and enjoyed this success and it's been beautiful and it's been a blessing and I'm so grateful, it hasn't necessarily been the motivation, right? So what motivates me are the things that I find exciting, that I find interesting. I did a podcast for a while with the people that you do this podcast with Adam. And so, and that was really fun and really exciting and some of those episodes did really well, but even that it was just like, okay, now what? So to go to your question, it's like the pandemic came and particularly for my partner at the time, he had never been in a situation where suddenly he was being told he can't do what he wants to do. Whereas my whole life has been about that. Like right, like I've always been either broke or like trying to figure it out or, and then when I was successful, like, you know, I can live on a shoestring and I can adjust and I can be, so for me it was found time. Like I started a podcast, I started like doing Ask Cassidy, or not Ask Cassidy, I did a happy hour with Cassidy where I was having some friends come on and we were doing interviews. I did the True Crime podcast. I wrote songs, I made a record, you know, for better or for worse, I made a record. And it was really more just to keep me busy. I like, I like being creative and I like being stimulated and I like feeling challenged and I like learning things. So what I knew I didn't want to do was go back on the road. I was really over that, you know, Antigone really took it out of me. It was 250 shows a year for years and years and years. I gave up everything. I didn't get married, I didn't have kids, which is all fine and choices that I made, but you get to a certain age and you realize, you know, you've got no roots and you've just got no, you've just got no direct, you should have rudder lists, you know, and the only thing that you have is the music and the fame. And I think that you're seeing this now when you, we're getting such a microscope is really being put on the music business, especially right now, when you will see what people are willing to do to get next to fame or to get into, you know, to get an opportunity. And I'm not blaming victims. Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, but you can sense when there's like a dangerous deal, you know, when you're like, that doesn't feel safe, you know, like that party feels a little wild or that dude feels like, he's like looking at me like I'm lunch, you know, or dinner or whatever. - Yeah, it's worse for women too. I mean, even with comedy, I mean, I always pride myself for the fact that, you know, I was raised by two women, my mom and my grandma. So I have the mentality of just treating women a little differently. So when it came with comedy, the two people who really took me under their wing were women. So for me, I always like to, whenever I produce a show or a book a show, I always have a female on the show. And like, my host is one of my best friends in the world. She's, you know, she's a great comic. But I hear stories. I mean, just, I mean, some horrible shit from, you know, and I'm talking about low level, and I mean that in a bad way. - No, I know what you're saying. It happens on all levels, yeah. - And a low level comedian, Booker, like, "Hey, listen, I'll give you this spot if you, you know, blow me next week." Like, "That's a guy." - Literally. - Yeah, you would literally like that, you know. It's horrific. And I can't imagine on another level. Like even on, you know, on the, oh, great. Fuck, the fucking show was going great. There was no laps. There was no, I'm like, oh, maybe this jerk will be late. He told me eight-thirty, fucking 15 minutes early. - Hello, Cassidy. How are you? - Nice to see you. - Good to be seen. How's my good friend Sean Martin? - So happy to see you guys. You can tell, real to see you. - Good, they lost, they lost. Good for you. You know what? No one bothers me, Cassidy. - Tell me. - I'm looking, I open up my Facebook. Yeah, I have to post shows. And the first thing that pops up is this dumb fucking picture of Sean Martin. He looks, yeah, I hate this, I hate to say this. He looked good in this picture. He's wearing like a black leather jacket, his hair. - You know where that was taken, Jessica. - It looks like a badass. I know the photo. - Yeah, but in real life, he's a baby Yui. Stop it. - It was the night, it was the night of my taping, with the night that you were, you actually, and I fucking hate saying this, were really good that night. - Well, thank you. - Like you didn't, yeah, oh God. - You were supportive and it's painful for you to say it. - Yeah, it's really bad because he's genuinely garbage, but that night, it was a great litmus test for me to hear like the audience when I had Jeff on there. Because normally, Jeff really opens for me a lot because I'm more of a headliner than he is. So when we go on the road and stuff like that, I can judge, I'm like, oh, if they're not growing, you know, not saying anything, then it's a normal Jeff. - That's a normal moment, right, right. - Normal Jeff said, but they were like, they were just screaming and hooting and hollering. I'm like, well. - They're in a good mood, don't you love the audience? - It's not him, it's definitely not him. So, who the crowd was good, they good for me. - Yeah, yeah, that's why, I'm used to this Cassidy. I'm used to it. This is like four and a half years of this nonsense with this guy, you know, every time I think I have an exit plan, it just doesn't come to fruition. Sometimes you got to just believe in the fate. - Yes. - And the tension that works, you know. It's like, sometimes you gotta hate each other. I was, we were just talking about my former band and I think what made it work was the fact that we hated each other, you know. I really, and nobody knew that. I'm actually writing my book, I was saying about it now. And I'm gonna be saying a lot of things that people didn't know, like people didn't know that we didn't get along, but it made the music great. And that band was Antigone rising. - Yeah. - That's right. And so, I don't know if Sean brought it up yet, but it was like, when he told me that you would come around the show, I thought you would be perfect to ask this about. Did you catch the incident that happened with Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro from-- - I did, and I had a moment about it, because, you know, it's funny. Yes, and I have thoughts if you're curious at all what I can-- - That's why we asked the Cassidy, don't let me know, come over there and pull your hair out, let's go. - So, first of all, I will start by saying that we were, you know, fans, of course, right, of who wasn't, 'cause that was my generation. It was, you know, it was, it was Jane's addiction. - You were 90s. - Pearl Jam and, right, so that was-- - You're 90s. - That was my era. I just, I posted Eddie Better today, which I haven't done in years, but I was a huge fan. And so, you know, that whole time period, that whole, you know, and I was living in Los Angeles during that time period, so, you know, so young. Really, I was living in New Jersey first, and we used to go to these great dance clubs, and we loved those bands, and we expected them to be sort of raucous and crazy, and we knew that they were doing drugs, and he was writing songs about that. So, Perry Farrell was like a wild man. What surprised me about it was that at his age, 'cause he's in his 60s now, that he's-- - He looks great, though, doesn't he? - It's amazing, and they all do, and Dave really looks amazing. I mean, Dave looks like a kid. He's aged so well. - He's not in his 60s, is he? - No, well, Dave's probably, he's older than me. I would say he's older than me. He's definitely in his 50s. I would say mid-50s. - Is that his real hair? - I think he probably ties it, but I don't, I think it's his hair. - Dave Rivera, 57 years old. - I know, look at this shit mean you have to deal with here, Sean. Look at this, look at this. - Can you believe it? - Dave's a viral does look great. They both do look great. - I know, right. Sean's like, "Speak for yourself." Speak for yourself. What are you talking about? - Yeah. - So, what I was gonna say is when I saw it, it reminded me of my band, and I know, and when I found out why it happened, it made even more sense because really what it was was that Dave was playing too loud, and it was driving very crazy. - And just something that would set off a singer? - I think that you would be surprised because here's what it is. That's not the first, I'm not speaking for him, I'm just telling you, this is what I think. That's not the first time it happens, not the second time, it's not even the third time it happened. It's something that keeps coming up, it's something that he's continued to ask him to turn down, that he can't hear himself. Now here's Dave's point of view. You're an old motherfucker. You can't hear, turn up your hearing aid. I'm not that loud, stop being a fucking diva, stand on your side of the state. So, in other words, they're both right. I'm not even trying to say Perry's right, Dave's wrong or Dave's right, Perry's wrong, but this is something they've already clashed about. This is something that's already gone on, on stage, between them, in rehearsal and everything. Turn your guitar down, turn your guitar. I can't hear myself, I can't. Now, if you were to ask me what my instinct is, my instinct, just based on quasi-knowing Dave, I've met him a handful of times, knowing a little bit about his background, and knowing enough about Perry. Perry's the diva, Perry's the pain in the ass. Perry is the one that's a little great talent. I'm sure a good hang when he wants me. But I think he's touched, and I think that he can't roll with it. I think he needs what he needs in order for him to do this thing, and if it's not, if the air isn't blowing in the direction, he needs it to blow, he can't do a good show. That's the sense that I get, I could be wrong, but that's what I'm sensing. - No, I don't think you're wrong, and the reason why, hold on a second, I just wanna get this thought out, because he was in a band called Pono for Pyros, and his ex-bamates came out and basically said the same thing you just said. - Did they? See, I didn't know that. That was just my instinct, yeah, that's interesting. - I'll tell you one thing that, and people think that I'm a dick when I say this, because I'm just trying to speak the truth here. - Truth to power. - Nowadays, now me and Cassie are from the same age group. When we were growing up, we did not hear of the word autism. We had no autistic kids in our generation. Now it's very big, but now what you're seeing now is people that are our generation and a little bit older, acting, a little fucked up. And I'm just starting to think to myself, are these people just undiagnosed on the spectrum? - Right, not good in social situations. Listen, bands in general were outcasts. A lot of us are like these mismatched people with quirks and couldn't really hold a corporate job down, wouldn't have managed very well in polite society. And we're all thrown into these creative projects together. And the fact that any of them work, the fact that any of those bands or those groups or those that they don't all kill each other every single time, I feel like is a miracle. So when you see that it works, you know, it's amazing, but you know that it's tough. You've got all these very strange personalities together, trying to create music and everybody needs their, listen, I was so, by the time I got off the road, it was like so hard because you're just, you can't control your environment at all. You're in a different place every single night. And it's just so unsettling and so traumatizing. You're constantly being uprooted. So you start to try to control the minutia, the things that you feel like you can. And that'll be your bandmates or that'll be the people that work for you or that'll be, you know, the venue and the drink that they made you or the food that they made you. You become really picky you and like they say in New Jersey and real picky you in about the stupid little shit because the macro you can't control. You're totally out of control on a constant basis. And you become really kind of horrible to be around because of it, you know, but it's common, you know. Do you stay away from the bandmates until the show? And if you do, you know, how do you do it? And then the other thing is, does it kind of then take away from the creative process because I was listening to a story about how the song Paradise City came about. And it came about like when the band was just like, they didn't have the first album out yet, obviously. And they were just like a band that was driving around in a van and, you know, the camaraderie and they all kind of had like acoustic guitars while some was driving. And they came up and they started playing Paradise City. And you know, of course it was supposed to be where the girls are fan and they had big titties. Okay, that was, that was, that was I think slashes input. And like, you know, I think Axel kind of overruled it. - Gonna get it on the radio, right, why not? - Yeah, but it was just supposed to be just like a fun song. So, you know, if you get to your point about like, you know, okay, everyone gets on each other's nerves and like, you know, you try to control you stay away. And if you do, does it eventually one of the hurting the band? - Yeah, so it's a good question. So I'll give you an example. Aerosmith came in on separate buses. They came in on separate buses. Allman Brothers came in on separate buses. I don't know that the almonds didn't get along. I think it was mostly because at that point, Greg was sober and he had a dry tour. And it was very important that he sort of have what he need when he would come in. And he was, they were all great. But like Aerosmith, you definitely, the way that we understood it, they were on separate buses because they weren't talking to each other, right? - Van Halen did that too in the nineties. And the band was basically broken up into two camps. They just got finished reading Sammy's biography. And he says exactly that, there was the Van Halen bus. And then there was the Michael Anthony and Sammy bus. 100%. And when you've got that kind of money, right? It's like, Joe's coming in on one and Steven's coming in on one and they're all coming on a different buses. They're lovely to us individually. There's no drama. You don't see fighting. There's none of that. But clearly, this is what I think. It hurt us in that ultimately, we couldn't work together anymore. And we just couldn't, we just couldn't agree. We couldn't get along. There was too much. I mean, and listen, there's their side. There's my side. Everybody has an individual story about what went on there. And everybody, Willa won't tell their story in due time. But at the end of the day, doesn't hurt the music yet, it really can. But I've always been very kind of a little impressed, I guess. Or just, I've marveled at bands who can continue to write records together even though they clearly don't get along. So when a band, you see a band like Aerosmas stay together, how do they stay together when they don't get along? They don't talk to each other. It's just-- - Do you think it's the money that kind of like keeps them together? - I do. And I think, listen, had I stayed in Antigone, we'd still, you know, they kept doing it. And frankly, they've never been as good. And I'm not just saying that it's just the truth. I mean, we had chemistry. We had an alchemy that made that band work. Had we been able to like look past all of that and make it about the band, there probably would've continued to be money in it for all of us. I definitely know that once you are, so once you're the stones or you're Aerosmith, you're not really playing the new stuff, right? You're going out there for the old rag doll and the old music. They wanna hear, you know, dream on, they wanna hear. So if you don't have to write music and you don't have to make records, you're just coming from like five different locations. You're gonna play the hits on stage and you're gonna collect, you know, you're 500 grand a night or 300 grand a night or whatever it is you're making and you're gonna go to the next city, sure, right? Why not? Like if that was the deal for me, if I was offered something like that, I would do it. But in terms of being able to make new albums and really reinvent yourself when you don't get along, like I don't know. I don't see how they do that. I have no idea. We certainly couldn't. We couldn't even agree. - What do you think of the band I got back who is still pretty on top of their game in the hard rock field? They announced that they're done. They're done recording. They're never gonna record another song ever again, but they're gonna do greatest hits tours every single year. - I think probably, and I get it. I think in a lot of ways they're doing that because they know people aren't buying the new music. They don't care about it. They've realized that they've built something that's enough to fill stadiums or to fill theaters or whatever it is that they're doing and to make money and to tour, but they want the old music. They're not in a position where they can still make new music and people are gonna give a shit about the new music. Some of that is God's Mac and some of that's just the industry and the way that the industry has changed. People are not interested in albums anymore in the way that they were, right? They want hit songs, they want what's the latest. I mean, look, music sucks. I mean, it sucks and these are all fabricated entities. These stars are fabricated, stars, they're actors. They're not even really that talented. So real talent even is at a premium. I mean, you don't even have it anymore. So nowadays it's about packaging, it's about what's the latest, what can the record label make the most money off of one song or two songs or, you know, and then we'll move you into this area and we'll have you do a big performance and we'll create controversy in your life and that'll generate more money. And there's only a few artists that are really writing new music on a constant basis, but a band like God's Mac, it's like Matchbox 20 is another example, right? How many new albums are they really selling? At the end of the day though, they can still tour and they can still play whatever they're playing, whether it's arena, I don't know exactly kind of. - They're playing arenas, they're playing like, yeah, they just play it prudential. - It does not surprise me. So they're in arenas, but he's playing 3 a.m. - They're playing 3 a.m, they're playing Ben. Troy, do you wanna hear my impression of Mick Jagger doing what Cassie was just talking about? - I would very much like to hear you. - Okay, we're gonna do something off of Rickety Diamonds and now the whole audience starts to go to the bathroom. - Exactly, exactly. As a matter of fact, when we toured with Aerosmith, I almost think it was one of the last times that they were able to do a new album with new music. It was called... - What was that? - Honking on Bo-Go? - Oh, was that the last album? - That was the Blues album, remember the Blues album? - Yeah, second to the last album. - We did that tour, we did that tour with them. And yeah, you know what I mean? But they, of course, they played all these old stuff too. - Of course, you have to. - Right, and to be fair, the album was not terrible. It really wasn't a bad album. It really wasn't a bad album, but it's just not what we want. - I don't wanna hear the new stuff. It's gonna leave off Momma Kim. - That's what I want. ♪ Then the murder ♪ - That's what I want. ♪ I want same old story ♪ ♪ Same old song ♪ ♪ And dance my friend ♪ - But instead they're gonna do like the third cut off of the new album. - Yeah, and nobody wants that. - No, but I know what's that. - But even the almonds, when we went out with them, they did, what was the name of that album with like Desdemona and the high costalow living? That was the album, that was a great album. - And that was an almond brother album? What was it great? - That was the Almond Brothers. That was the tour we went on. And that band was O'Teal Burberry, Derek Trucks, the guy from government Mule, Warren Haines. - All great musicians. - Greg Almond. - I mean, it was like that band was sick and they were coming up and sitting in with them. - Was Dickey Betts in the band? - Dickey was gone by then, dead by then, I believe. Yeah, yeah, he had passed away, I think. - What do you think of, what do you think now that you've seen their whole career? How do you feel about Oasis? - I've shown you a read in my mind. - Do you think it's a love of the music? Or do you think Liam and Nol are like, "Well, one tour and we're set for the rest of our lives." - Bro, they are so cynical. I don't think anything that they do is about the love of the music. That said, I think they love the music, right? And I think that they are purists and I think that they're very incredibly talented. It's funny about them because, and you know, I don't know what the, I'll just say it. I don't love how fucking nasty they are about everything and everyone. I just don't think it's necessary. It kind of bugs me, it turns me off about them. Like you're certainly entitled to your opinion. And I certainly don't think that you have to be nice if you don't like a band or a song or if you're not into it. Like tell the truth. Okay, cool. Like I can get behind that. But sometimes I feel like they're kind of nasty for nasty sake and it's become his schtick, particularly Nol. And I personally don't dig it. Like I just, every time I want to watch him 'cause I'm so curious 'cause I think he's brilliant and I think that he's written some really beautiful music. And I really agree with him when he talks about how shite, you know, the landscape is now. But like he's just got to be so mean. And it just, it's like I don't want to listen to it. Like why are you such a dick? Like don't be such a dick. Well, a lot of people are the same way with like, you know, bands like Springsteen, Eurasian, The Machine. Like they used to love them. But you know, since they're talking about their political views on stage all the time or watch the water. Yeah. Like a lot of my right-wing friends won't go see them. Even though they have, you know, spent their whole lives listening to them and loving them. They've got to separate the politics and the music. Yeah. I agree with that. Me too. I don't love it. I don't, I don't. Well, first of all, there's something really suspicious about the fact that everybody who's famous pretty much is on the government side. I mean, when did that happen? When did it happen that rock and roll artists are now supporting and defending the government to the right? The machine, it's right. Exactly. Darr, like that's not punk rock, dude. That's not punk rock. It's not punk rock. I agree with every single thing that the government and that mainstream media is saying to you, what's going on here? That's not the rock and roll I grew up on. And listen, I would be lying if I said that that didn't play a part in why I walked away. Not so much because I'm like, oh, I'm so right-wing and everybody's going to hate me if they find that out about me. It's not necessarily that. It's the fact that I don't feel like I can say what the fuck I want to say and be considered punk rock and cool and obvious because it's going to be controversial when I say because I'm in a rock band. It's the reason why you should love Noel Gallagher because he doesn't give a fuck. And I do when he's right. But I think sometimes he does it just to be nasty. You can almost see it on his face. He thinks people expect it from him. So he says things that are, the British have a saying they'll go any need, any need, meaning was there any need for that? Sometimes I feel like that with him. It's almost like he tries too hard to be a dick. And it's not necessary. If it makes sense and if like it was warranted, then okay, cool. - No, I have a co-host exactly like that. I understand what Liam is going through. I'm the Liam of the group, by the way. - Not my friend, not my friend Sean, who's always so sweet to me. - There's a big, there's a big difference. - Well to you, yeah, not through this fucking piece of shit. (laughing) - You see? - So here's another thing, Jeff. I don't know if you know this. - I'm gonna talk with my hands behind my back. Like Liam. - Right? - Yes, yes, yes, yes. - Yes, it's so cool like this. - I'm just spinning my chair. - Yeah, me while my chair is starting now. - You know how like we mean you will send things back and forth to each other like on Instagram or whatever. And usually it's about like, you know, hey, if you open this, you're gay, you know? 'Cause that's, I said to that to him, by the way. (laughing) - Yeah, right. So like, you know, you have certain friends. Like you have certain friends for certain things. Like I have one friend, she's a great comic. Jess Sager, she, all day long, we either text or message pictures about our dogs. It's all about pickles, whatever, it's all we do. Then you have your one friend who's always gonna send you the big ass Brazilian girl pictures and all that stuff, whatever. Then you have the friends that you can send the bad shit to like the fucked up shit, you know? And then like, you know, and I'd send some music stuff to Cassie once in a while. - Can you give more examples, Sean? Who are you holding? - Who are you holding? - All right, hold on. So, you know, I didn't, you know, if I sent like a song to my friend, oh my God, this is a great song. That relationship has now blossomed to where she now is the fucked up friend who sends me. So like, you know, you expect like, oh, here's a video of somebody playing volleyball and they're holding up like an amputee and hitting the ball with that. - Right. - And hitting the amputee. - Let's do it right. - Oh, wow. Why did Anthony send me that? Oh no, Cassie sent that to me. That's what we went to, we went to that next level. - He now graduated to the next level. - That's fantastic. - And there aren't that many people that I can show that, my sister won, but my sense of humor too, like that. I haven't, one of my sisters, she and I go back and forth with some pretty sick shit. But to me, there's a very specific kind of sense of humor that I have and not everybody has it. And I think maybe also being in the public eye, you learn to like curb some of that, you want to be careful, you don't want to offend, you don't want people to be disappointed in the things that you find funny. So it was kind of, I just thought, I forget what it was or what was the impetus, but you sent me something or I sent you something like as a test, I think, just to see, like, will she laugh? - Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, today's wasn't. - Like when the toe and the water kind of thing. - Oh, it's great. So now it's just, it's just pure, it's always like midgets or people falling, it's fantastic. - This is the question I wanted to bring to your attention, Jeff. I already said this to Cassidy before. She sent me a video today of Steve Perry doing open arms. Was it open arms, I believe? Yeah, it was open arms. - Do you know how they do those audio where they pull the audio out of the-- - Isolated vocal track. - Isolated vocal, I sent him that because it was, I think it was open arms, I believe. - It was mind blowing. So my question to her-- It's your, it's your original, it's not him doing that. - Yeah. - No, no, okay. - It's from the late '70s. - Yeah, 'cause the David Lee Roth one thing and running with the devil with no music, it's hysterical. - A little, well, anything Axel's done in the last 18 months too is pretty atrocious too, but-- - Seriously, he looks like my Aunt Mina. - He does look like a grandma. - He does, he looks like-- - He's pretty, oh jeez. - He looks like Tranma. (laughing) - So Jeff, I said to Cassidy, I think it's no question anybody will argue with the fact that Freddie Mercury is the greatest rock singer of all time. - He's in the conversation, that's for sure. - I think you have to say he's the number one. Would you say Steve Perry is number two? - No. - As far as male rock singer. - No, no. - Let me go ahead of him. - As far as-- - Rob a plant a day? I mean, you know, the first four albums, even into houses of the Holy. So, I mean, you know, I'm physical graffiti, so I mean, plant was insane. I think, I mean, you know where I'm gonna go with this, I think there are a couple of guys. I'm gonna go Dickerson, Maiden. I think Jeff Tate, Queen's rank. I think, Adio. - And if I'm gonna go kind of bluesy, I love Paul Rogers. And the reason why I say that is because when you see the replacement, Steve, Steve Algieri, you see her Dean Castro Novo and of course, Anal Pinata. It seems like anyone can do journey. I mean, it's great. I mean, Steve Perry saved that band. They were about to get dropped from the label. And then they-- - He's a crooner, right? He's a crooner, it's-- - He's a crooner. He is a crooner. - Right, right. - Yeah. But, I mean, he's a great singer. He's there, but is he number two old time? No, because again, I'll go, I'll say his name. Again, Paul Rogers, who is not in the Rock Hall fame, which is a sin. You know, when you look at what he did with Free, Bad Company, and even his, a little bit of time in Queen, he's phenomenal. And what about Roger Daltrey? - What do you think about Chris Cornell? - Great singer. Great singer, very, very underrated. I don't think he has the range of the guys I just mentioned, but for what he does, he's great at what he does. - Yeah. - I think we need to listen to an isolated vocal track of Chris Cornell, then rethink what you just said. - No, wait, wait, wait, wait, do you think-- - I think his range is pretty amazing, but I also want to feel like-- - You think it's like, like, Dio? Like, he could do a song like, "Straigh Through the Hot"? - Listen, there's some people that are just generational talents, you know what I mean? That's like a Dio, and a Freddie Mercury and stuff like that. But as far as Chris Cornell, I think he got not a bad rap, but I think he gets looked over a lot because of they were a harder rock band. But when you listen to his solo stuff, man, that guy's voice was just-- - Oh, he's got a great voice. I mean, we've had a doubt, but I'm-- Listen, I mean, music is like comedy, like anything. You know, there's so much and there's different genres that you like, it's objective, okay? I mean, I like the guys who could sing high and hit that note. I love, like, when you listen to a guy like Jeff Tate, and when you hear him hit that, go that extra octave or two in a song like, "Take hold of the flame." And he does that extra, that extra, I mean, a handful of people on the planet could do that. That's it. - Yeah, yeah. I think Harry was amazing. I mean, I get, I moved by him, right? In a way that I think every, a lot of people are, most people are-- - Mr. Cornell, you're talking about? - No, Steve Perry. - Okay. - Just moved by him, moved by his voice, and the way that he sang and the melodies, but I was also sort of a melodic songwriter, even though we were rock. So for me, I think that's why I was drawn to him, because he was, it was about the melodies, and it was these beautiful, beautiful, singable melodies for, you know, a crooner. He was a, he was a crooner. And in a lot of ways, I was too, like a crooner. I was a rock singer, and my voice became more rock and roll, but before I was in the band, and then again, after the band, my voice became more kind of croon-y, I guess if that's an expression. I worked with him. He, when I left the band, I made a solo album, and I went up to Capitol Records in Los Angeles to have it mixed by a guy named Nico, and Nico knew Steve, and Steve would come in and out of the studio, come in and out of the building, we would hang out. And I wasn't there one day, and he was mixing my record, and Steve had gone there to visit him, and wanted to know, you know, who I was, and it was like, I guess like the music really enjoyed it, to the point where he asked to come the next time that I was going to be there. So I didn't know he was gonna be there, and I walked into the studio, and Nico said, there's somebody here that wants to meet you. I was so cool, I'm thinking like his daughter, or like, I didn't know, somebody, you know, I didn't know. Steve Perry shows up, and like is standing in the middle of the room, and I was like, oh my God, I was like, you taught me how to sing. I didn't know what to say. Like, you taught me how to sing, and he goes, no wonder you sound so good, which was hilarious, and then he hugged me, and then he asked to sing on the record. - He sang on your record? - So follow the freedom. I have a song called Follow the Freedom, and he's singing on that record with me. - Wow. - He loved it, and he wanted, yeah. And he had said to me, I want you to write songs for my, 'cause he hadn't made an album. He's made one since. I'm bummed because at that time he hadn't done it yet, and he asked me to write for it. And I said that, I mean, I said no, I'm busy, I can't write for it. No, I was like, please call me. And he didn't, and I don't know why, and I don't know what happened, and it's okay, obviously, but I really wanted to write songs for him. I just thought that would have been amazing. And I heard a record came out, I haven't heard it. So I'm glad to hear it's good. That's good. - Good, good, good. I would say a good six, seven years ago, I would think, right? - Oh, yeah, I mean, 'cause that would have been, when I did follow the freedom, yeah. Follow the freedom was probably, I'm gonna say, maybe 2014. What I would have met him, 14. - This album came out in 2018, so six years ago. - Okay. - Yeah, it's got you. - Cassey, what do you think about the new singer in Lincoln Park? - That's interesting. I'm not impressed, I'm not that impressed. I know that that's probably very unpopular thing to say. I think that she's average. I also am not impressed by the fact that she defended Danny Masterson. I think that that's disgusting. She's a Scientologist, and you know, you can be whatever you wanna be in this world, but what you don't get to be is like, somebody standing in the lobby of a courtroom with women who are talking about their essays and screaming at them with a group of people to try to harass them and keep them from pressing charges. Ew, like, I'm sorry, you're incredible. - I didn't know that about her. - Yeah, like what kind of play? - It came out like, I think a day or two after they made the announcement. - There was a big uproar about it, her, his son. - I hate the he shit like that, man. - I know, his son. - I really do. - What's his name, the former lead singer, I'm blanking, I know his name. - Chester Benton? - Chester. Chester's son came out and actually spoke about it. He was quite unhappy with it, and I agree. Listen, I don't have any promise she's Scientologist, you know, to each his own. What do I think of Scientology? I mean, that's a conversation for another day, but if you wanna be, I don't care what you wanna be, you can be what you wanna be. But these women were assaulted by, and it was proven to be so, so I don't have to say allegedly anymore. He's a rapist, he's in prison doing time, and these women came forward, and it's really difficult to do that, you know, to face your rapist in court, and a bunch of Scientologists with her included in the very beginning, at the hearings, at the early hearings, she was there in like solidarity to support Danny Masterson, and I just feel like-- - But how do you feel about Sean, who's a big fan of Diddy? - Well, Sean and I have a lot to talk about when it comes to-- - I'm a Luke Pale. - I know, as much as he loves Diddy, as much as he loves Diddy, he's really not into baby oil, so I think that he's changed his mind. - That'd be a lot of fucking baby oil. - This guy, this guy is going, I can't wait to see how this really turns out, because I think it's either gonna go one of two directions, I think a lot of people are going to pay a tremendous amount of money to keep their names sealed and quiet. - He has to pay a price though. - I think he did. - He's not, he ain't gonna see trial, you think he's gonna see trial, you already have your mind. - What do you think happens to me? - What do you think happens to me about it? Because here's the thing about this, two things. One, we know what happened with Epstein, and we know that the names never came out, and we know why they've never come out, right? They're trying-- - Why? - He committed suicide. - Well, he committed suicide, but here's what's interesting. Okay, but Valene Maxwell went to prison for basically procuring these women. - Yeah, drug trafficking. - Okay, but to whom? - Trafficking to whom? Who were the men? We've never heard that. - I think one may have been a former president of the United States. - Of course. So here's the other thing. So when you get to now Diddy, you've got this amazing Busbee, this lawyer who's come out now and he's gonna represent all of these women. And it sounds like, because he's not in the back pocket of the government, that he might name names, but here's what we know. If everybody pays off these girls, these names are never gonna come out. So all of the people that were complicit, all of the people that were involved, it wasn't just Diddy, it was all-- - Someone has to have a shred of dignity. Someone has that, someone has that. - Can someone please come forward and talk about who these people were? This is what I wanna know. Can somebody just say, you know what? The money's not worth it. I'm gonna tell. - Exactly. - I'm gonna tell. Because it's gonna be happening. - That's not what it was meant to be happening. - From the WWE, you know, he wound up stepping down and he wound up having this major, major, major lawsuit. This girl filed charges against him. And she had an NDA and she broke the NDA. And she is, she named names. - He's also like in about his 80s right now. So, you know, he has really not much to lose by stepping down. - And you know what's interesting to say that about being in his 80s, there's something almost sad about attacking someone in their eight, like you see even Weinstein like on his like, you know, cane or like Cosby's like blind, you know what I mean? And all these people are gonna be 100 years old before they go to prison. There's something sort of pathetic about it at that point. Like there's no sad about it. - You're a decent human being. You have compassion for anybody. Of course you feel that. - On the worse. - And the whole thing is, it's a shame because the whole thing could be avoidable. And why couldn't Diddy be like a decent human being? And but he fucked people over, you know, even before he became super famous. When he, you know, I don't know if you guys remember there was an incident with people got trampled. I think someone died. - That's right. - Because he promoted a show at City College. That's right. That's right. And then the woman's got shot in the nightclub and she, he made something else take the fall for that. - Exactly. - I was in prison for that. - That's right. - Listen, there are many schools of thought about this. I was at Atlantic Records. So you hear, you're hearing a lot of names being thrown around right now, right? And they're not as commonly thrown around in the beginning. But if you're watching and you're paying attention, names like Leor Cohen or being thrown around, Leor was president of my label. After about the second half. So the first half it was Jason Flom. And then when Jason left, Leor Cohen came in. - Jason Flom was a huge A and honor guy. - He signed me. That's who signed me. - Yeah. I mean, he, Sean, I don't know if you know this guy, but like in the '80s, this was the guy who signed like everyone that came out of California. - Oh, not just the '80s. It was the '90s and like early odds. - He also was very prominent in helping Twist's sister produce that second album. - Get promoted Twist's sister and tell me those stories. So Jason signed me, Jason's responsible for, for, for any, you know, listen, let's put it this way. We could've signed with anybody we wanted to at that time. It was a bidding war. We signed with Jason because he promised us. - He was the guy back then. - The most and he was the guy back then. And he became a very dear friend. Unfortunately, he, he ended up being not, he just, he was disappointing in the end. And anybody that's worked with Jason will tell you that. I, I'm sorry. Jason is all hat and no cattle. He had a lot of power. Don't get me wrong. That's real. But he was full of shit. And he acted like he cared about people that he didn't really care about. So, you know, I'm appreciative of what he did, but he didn't, he had no follow through. And he had no loyalty and, and he's sort of a. - Welcome to show business. - It's a worm. He's a fucking worm. So whatever, I never got dropped from my record label. I left my record label. I didn't want to be signed anymore. I was done. It's a very rare story. Most people get dropped. I did not get dropped. But when Leor and all those guys came in, Leor was the head of Def Jam. He's going to, his name is being mentioned a lot. These guys, Leor worked for Massad. He was an Israeli soldier. There are a lot of government ties with a lot of these executives. And I'm not trying to say that I know anything that I don't know. And I'm not making any claims that I can't back. - Name names. - I really can't at the moment of what I will say is this. There is a lot of talk about the fact that Diddy was very similar to Epstein in that he was in a position to trap people and tape people and put them in compromising positions today. - 100%, 100%. - Because here's what we have to understand. - That's an excellent comparison. - Right. So here's what we have to understand. The reason that, when we'll go back to my earlier statement, the reason that so many people in mainstream music, film, all of these rock stars are all defending the government and they literally all believe the exact same thing, which why does nobody find that odd? These are mouthpieces for the agenda, right? Whatever the agenda is. So in order for you to further the agenda, we need to know that you're controllable. We can't give you a ton of power where hundreds of millions of people are going to listen to every single word you say, unless we know that you're gonna say what we want you to say. We need to know that we can control what you say or else you're gonna have too much power. So what they started to do is over the years, they started to manipulate and control who's going to be famous and who's not. And they do that by figuring out who's gonna play ball. Travis Kelsey. And what the hell is her name? - Taylor Swift. - Thank you. - How can you forgive me? - 'Cause I don't care about her, but the couple, suddenly he's promoting the vaccine. I mean, do you think that that's a coincidence? It's not a coincidence. - No, he's a sellout. - They are shills. - And he already had money. So why did he have to sell out? - Because they are being, they're planted, right? They're infiltrators. They are supposed to be influencing the proletariat. They're influencing the masses. So they get these people and they say, listen, we're gonna let you be huge famous. We're gonna let you make billions of dollars. We're gonna let you be the biggest things in sliced bread, but you must further our agenda. And here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna put you guys together and we're gonna fabricate this relationship and you're gonna push the vaccine and you're gonna do it. - Do you think it's a fake relationship, Cassie? - 100%. As a matter of fact, did you hear about the publicist? There was a one sheet that came out from a publicist literally discussing their relationship and how it was gonna go, the timeline of it. - I did not hear anything like that. Like a month ago, that came out. It surprised me not, but at the end of the day-- - That's a really elaborate scheme and I don't get them what the payoff would be. - It's more about controlling people. It's less about the, you almost have to think more macro. We would be too overwhelming as a population. We would overthrow the powers that be because we are more powerful than they are because there are more of us than there are of them. So what do they mean? - Well, that's what the whole social contract is. - And they-- - We buy it into it because government is supposed to do the right by us. Once government screws us over, then we have not only the right but the responsibility of overthrowing that government. - Exactly, but what do they do? They put people in positions of power to the talking points, all the talking points that we all believe, whatever Taylor Swift wants is what I want, whatever she says is what I believe. And if you're-- - That's so not minded though. - That's the, that's, that's who we are. That's who we've become. That's who we've become. So you get someone like Diddy and there are people who believe that Diddy was installed, that Diddy was installed much like Epstein, that he was given all of that power and all of that money and all of that access to entrap people so that they would play whatever the games were whether I don't know what they're up to. - Well, Cassie, do you think maybe, hold on, do you think maybe that he kind of enticed or indulged people's decadence side, you know? So just like Jeffrey Epstein did. And that's why he had the free reign. I don't think he was installed. I don't think he was anointed. I think, I think he had that in him. - But why tape everybody? - Why did he tape everybody? Protection to keep, you know, you open up your mouth and we got it on you. - Right. - To protect themselves. - Black male ultimately, right? - Exactly. - So I guess the question would ultimately be, what's the black male for? Is the black male for the government to then say, you're going to push this vaccine or we're going to show that tape? - I will. In Diddy's case, he's not doing it for the government. He's doing it for himself. And he played bold government. - But who does he work for? - Well, he works for himself, okay? But I think what he ultimately does, I think he gets in bed with the government because he knows that they have shit on him. - Right. - So if he plays with the powers at B, which is the DNC, okay, who's in power, I think why eventually what he winds up doing is like, hey, look, we'll give you as much protection as we can. But right now, they should hit the fence. - So like, he can get the trouble. - And they say, we're going to leverage you. You're in trouble. So if you do this, we'll keep you out of jail. We'll keep you protected. - Exactly. - We'll take a little bit of a back and forth, right? - Exactly. - If there's stuff on them, they have stuff on him. I think Sean is right. Then he's never going to see a trial. I think if things get too hot and heavy, I think he does kill himself. - Yeah. - He's in the worst fucking jail in New York City. - No, it's bad. - It's a horrific jail. I mean, come on, you're telling me-- - And he's dying to get out of there. No amount of money. And they won't take it from him. They're like, nope. - There is definitely, he's not the mastermind. There's somebody higher up than him. - That's what I think, but that's, you know, what do I know, I have to put with that, but that's what I think, I've been around long enough. When I got into the industry, one of the first things that they started to do, Jason, started to do was put me in contact with politicians. I'd get on the phone with, and it would be weird. He'd be like, get on the phone with this one, and it would be like the governor of the state. And I didn't know why I was talking to him, but like, or I was, we played the DNC. We played the Democratic National Convention, the year that Obama did his famous speech before he ran for president. He became famous, 'cause he did a famous speech when the Democratic National Convention was in Boston. - 2004. - We played that convention. So we were already being- - That's how we kind of got his name. - Well, they were trying to, they were, I mean, listen, if I hadn't walked away, they were trying to make us uber famous. Like, we were gonna be one of those bands. Like, we were on that track. I was being offered all the things. I didn't want it. Ultimately, I walked away from it, but- - What year did you walk away from it, Cassidy? - I walked away in 2009. - Oh, wow. - I will now, and I see walked away. I walked away from the fame in 2009. I was still in the music business. I wrote for other people. I wrote for Demi Lovato. I wrote for Ellie Goulding. I was like writing for film and television. So I was still in the industry. I wrote with like Max Martin, if anybody knows who that is. So I was still doing it kind of on that level. - Is it Max Martin on the islanders? - Max Martin is actually, he's like a big pop songwriter and producer. He's like written like every hit song for all the big pop stars. - So he's not a left wing on the islanders? - Hello, he's a sweet. - I'm saying it just for Sean's reaction. Just for Sean's reaction. I pushed you there. - The whole fucking episode, you went the whole episode. We have like four minutes. It's like four to a few minutes left. I don't ask for much, dude. I really don't. - I love this guy. - Yeah. So anyway, I left then, but what I was saying more than anything is just to make that like connection is that we were immediately being connected within politics. Like this was like, this was kind of a hand in glove situation. Artists, very famous actors, very famous musicians and artists. Remember Rock the Vote? - Of course. Did he was part of Rock the Vote? - Thank you. - He was a big part of it to get out the vote. - Yes, he was. Yes, he was. - I've been recently too. - You think he cared about the vote? - Of course not. Of course not. He's being controlled. - What was in it for him? Right. So it's going to be very interesting to see. Look, I am really happy that young women and men who have been traumatized or are able to speak and to get some justification and some, hopefully some vindication, but I will say this, and I know we don't have that much time left, but there's a lot of things that people are willing to do for fame and for money and for recognition. And I promise you it's not worth it. It really isn't. And if somebody's inviting you to a party and if you're dressed within your tits are out and your ass is out and I'm not putting you down for that and you don't deserve to be raped for that, I am making myself very clear, okay? I don't think that you are, but you're going to put yourself in the middle of a party with a bunch of dudes who are very powerful with a lot of money and you want to be next to fame like that and you're going to show up dressed like a ho. I'm just asking you to think better of that. Just think better of that and to- - And to take power back. - And to take power back. - Fortunately, the law of fame, you know, and trust me, I've been exposed to it very, very little bit, but when you're on the set of a movie, I was on it and it's in the movie, I don't know if you know that, but when you're on the set of a movie, okay? You could see why, like, if Goresese even De Niro came up to me and said, "Hey, Jeff, just the tip?" I would say yes. - So many people would- - You did it to the guy in catering, Jeff. (laughs) I did want steak for lunch that day. - Was some. - This was fun. - Yeah, it was fun. I appreciate it. I mean, I just worry about kids 'cause I understand the law of fame and I understand how enticing it is and how, you know, seductive it all is, but it's satanic and it's dark. - I worry about Taylor Swift for one reason is because she really has inspired an entire generation of girls to pick a big guitar, to pick up a pen, to start writing. - I know. - And almost want her to not be part of it. - I want her to be better than she's being. - You want none of these people, like Cassie's at the very beginning when it came on, you want none of these people to be part of it. You want them to be honest. You don't want them to be politicians. - I want them to be people. I want them to tell the truth. I just want them to stop. It's like, listen, not for nothing. Like, I'm not even trying to be hard on Kamala, but she's not qualified. She just isn't. And for anybody to act like she is, it's like, what are you doing? You are misleading an entire community of people who look at you and think that you're brilliant and amazing and you're telling people to get the vaccine and you're telling people to vote for Kamala, and maybe you don't like Trump and I get that and maybe he doesn't feel like a better alternative for you, but I just think that then say nothing, then say nothing rather than encourage people for whatever your agenda is to do the wrong thing. And I think that they're using their power in the wrong way. And I agree with you, Sean. I think it's amazing. She plays guitar and she sings her songs and she's written some great songs and I want to see young girls do that. But I don't like that I always have to feel like, yeah, but she's a Democrat and we have to know who she's voting for. We have to know what her social issues are about and she has to support abortion and she has to support transing kids and she has to support or else we hate her. And it's, can't they just say nothing? - What was Tom Petty? Was he a Democrat or a Republican? What was, what is Jeff Led? Back in the day, what about Led Zeppelin? What about Led Zeppelin? What was that? - Yeah, I didn't sit there before an election and say, you know what? - What did Led Zeppelin think about gay marriage? I'm just curious. - Exactly. - Did they ever talk about it? - No. - And what did, and did you ever see photographs of him, like with his kids having breakfast at his house or like, did you ever know anything about it? - But the age of social media changed all that and it changed the component. - It just ruined it. It ruined it. I mean, our rockers just have mystery and there's no mystery in it. - Exactly. Let me get some before we wrap this up. Do you like setlist FM? - I don't know if I'm a familiar with that. What is that? - Oh, if you go to a concert, you type in, you know, - Oh, I know, and they tell you what the setlist is going to be. - Yeah. - And then I perform whatever, yeah. - Like, so you're talking about mystery, like remember like the day like you wouldn't know what the next song was going to be? - Yeah, right. - That you know exactly what's going to happen. - Yeah, no. I think I was always of the belief and I think it's part of what really pushed me away from the industry when we were expected to be 24/7 accessible to our audience. I lost interest in that. I really, for me, perfect example, I've had a million people that I love and my music tastes are eclectic and they're all over the place. But the one thing that I can tell you for sure is that when I was a kid, I loved Eddie Vetter, okay? I loved Pearl Jam, I loved Eddie Vetter. I didn't know anything about Eddie Vetter. You want to know what I knew about Eddie Vetter when the albums came out? And I would read the liner notes and I would make the lyrics. - Me too. - He did one, maybe one interview where he said four words because he was so shy. I lived for those moments and I would soak it. I didn't need to know what his girlfriend's name was or what his parents' names were, what he ate for breakfast or what he believed in or who he was voting for. I didn't give a shit. I didn't want to know. There was something mysterious and beautiful about it. And I miss that. I miss the mystique. I miss the mystique. I think that it's just too revealing, you know, way too much. And I also think that it's suspicious to me that every single person in mainstream music and film believe the exact same thing politically. I find that very hard to believe. I think that's very strange. - A good segment to wrap this up with there, honey boy. I want Cassie to come back on. We didn't talk about that real quick. She is writing her book. She's almost finished writing her book. It'll be hopefully coming out at the end of the year, I think you said that. - Definitely in the new year, for sure. - So once that drops, you let me know, we'll plug it and then we'll have you back on. And then we'll talk about UFOs and, you know, all kinds of other conspiracies. - Yes, let's do it. - Yeah, it won't be who's your band. It's gonna be conspiracy theories. - It won't be conspiracy. (laughing) - There we go. - Thank you so much. It's so good to see both of you. I'm thrilled to see that you guys are still going strong and yeah, thank you and let me know what it drops. I'll promote the episode. - All right, guys. - Join wrap us up, baby. Wrap us up, my friend. Wrap us up. - Let's go to laughingstockcc.com, which is Jeffrey's Comedy Club, out in Grandville, Pennsylvania. He is the proud owner of it. He is a great club. Go into that, check out our social media and hit subscribe on YouTube. And hit subscribe on my YouTube page 'cause that's where my special salty will be coming out as soon as I send it. - What is that dropping? - Well, I'm going to get it to our producers sometime this week. And I'm thinking by Christmas, maybe a little bit after. - Have a great night. Take care everybody. - Thanks Cassidy. - Good to see you guys. Thank you so much. This was so fun. - It's always a pleasure. Take care guys. - Bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)