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I am Charlie Hume, and we are still in the midst of the golf-off season. Had a great conversation. On a Monday episode with Michael Kim, just kind of catching up on the state of his game, but also some excellent suggestions about what he would do if he was the commissioner for a day of the PGA Tour. If he was in charge of the game of golf that we're very amusing, so go catch up on that conversation if you missed it. And also his thoughts on the reported changes to the PGA Tour structure that could be coming in 2026, the number of cards available, the number of corn fairy tour graduates, things of that nature. And we're going to continue that conversation on a similar vein here today, Smiley, with Britley Rowmind. He's a golf rider for the Golf Channel for NBC Sports. He is a college golf expert. And so we're just going to examine the college game to a certain degree. I mean, there's obviously a large impact, those corn fairy tour cards on the players graduating through the PGA Tour U program, the PGA Tour U accelerated program. Also, some sweeping changes coming to college athletics at large that are impacting all sports. But specifically, some of those sports that aren't football, that aren't men's basketball, there aren't these huge revenue drivers and just how at a lot of schools that have college golf programs, we've come to know and love and have these deep rosters, how there could be some big changes coming to those programs. So looking forward to sharing this conversation with you today and getting to the Britley Rowmind conversation here in a bit, where we have to start first, Smiley, was a piece of, I don't know if I want to call this breaking news as much as it was just a, yet another tweet in the world of professional golf, that you were on a nice little bachelor party in Nashville over the weekend and I think I was out in the golf course and you sent this to me and we already had the Michael Kim episode done and we were like, "Oh no, this is, are we going to have to talk about this? Do we need to do an update on this?" And I'll read that tweet to you first. This is originally posted by the nuclear golf account that we all know. The report is that the sun in the United Kingdom is reporting a deal between the PGA tour and Liv is close to being finalized and is pending final approval valued at $1.3 billion U.S. dollars. Liv will reportedly play its events under the PGA tour umbrella and get an 11% stake in the tour. Tiger Woods and Rory McElroy reportedly played a major role in getting the deal across the finish line. And of course the kicker line on this tweet that I love the most. The reporting has yet to be corroborated by credible sources and golf. So smiley, the platform is yours. We quickly, you know, maybe didn't believe this as much as maybe we wanted to, but just your reaction to this deal and why we should not be taking this at face value. Well, just another quick Google search on it all, front office sports who I would tend to read their articles and believe things. They say a bit of the opposite, you know, they acknowledge the British tabloid and said that maybe a little premature on that, as they said, multiple industry sources say the reports are a bit premature. So with that being said, it does seem like to me that the end of the year calendar, you know, there seems to be a lot of emphasis and pressure to try to get this done at the end of the year. Knowing, especially from Liv's standpoint, you know, they don't have a network signed on for next year. The CW, that whole contract is expired. So a bit, probably a bit of pressure from their side trying to figure out, hey, where's this league going to go in the future? The antitrust concerns, which we are antitrust guys since we had an antitrust lawyer on this. But it does seem that the government is the big hold up in all this. Even, shoot, just, I know that we're recording this on an election day, but for instance, who gets elected could make a big difference in this. It sounds crazy to say that, but Donald Trump just, I don't know what podcast he went on. He was, I feel like these presidents. These candidates have gone on 7,000 of them that I can't keep up, said that he could get this thing across in about 15 minutes. So why is that important to us? It's because we're a golf podcast and we will have to acknowledge that, okay, if Trump is elected president, that maybe the antitrust issues that are being held up from the government standpoint become less of a problem. So with that being said, there may be more that comes out after whoever becomes elected. That's something that it's hard to believe, but that's kind of where we are in the game of golf and that, yeah. But, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I think just a couple of things to follow up on on the initial headline there. To your point on the presidential, the state of the media cycle where we are now, where we have Donald Trump on a podcast with Jim Gray and Bill Billichik. And we have Kamala Harris on Shannon Sharp's Club Shae Shae Podcast, where you're just like, what reality are we living in? What universe are we living in? It's probably, it's akin to us launching this podcast back in May in 23 and the several months later having Matt Stoller on to talk about the antitrust law in the United States and just the structure of the steel. It is a little bit surreal sometimes. Think about the game of golf and where we stand. I think particularly to this report, funnily enough, the reason why I was able to immediately debunk this is if you are a fan of soccer, international soccer, specifically the English Premier League, you know that the sun is one of the most despised tabloids that exist in the United Kingdom. They've been banned by numerous teams from reporting on their matches because of some of the sensational reports they put out there in years past. So while they may have some rumors or details that they could be close on, let's take their word for it though. Let's play the little game of, let's take their word for it. I love that. I think that's, and that's probably the best place to take this is like, let's just say, let's just say that this is the shape of the deal. $1.3 billion deal, you know, much of which probably funnels back in the tour and is a make good for all the players who didn't go, who didn't take the money, the live getting, you know, a not insignificant stake in the tour, 11%, but also playing underneath the PGA Tour umbrella, which that for me pops because that was the initial reported shape of that deal, right? That all the live interests were going to fall underneath Jay's control, underneath whatever the new for-profit entity, not the non-profit structure. Yeah, PGA Tour enterprises. Yeah. So, so it's interesting. So, Smiley, if this is close to the shape of the deal, do you like this for the PGA Tour? Oh gosh, yeah, yes, we've got to come to some form of agreement, whether I believe live is the correct way to do it or not. It just, you know, it just has to get done. So, I do think that a team element could work under the PGA Tour umbrella and you've seen the PGA Tour try to come up with their own with the TGL. We'll see how that whole thing goes. And that's way different than what the normal golf product did they give. But, you know, what's wild to me in all of this is how ratings and how many people are actually watching the sport, how much money we're talking about is pretty crazy, right? When we talk about a private equity firm, an SSG, you know, pumping in $1.5 billion and then you talk about the PIF doing the same. It just is pretty wild to me that, you know, guys that hit a ball around a field can get, you know, this much interest from different, you know, private equity and then you obviously have this audience. But it seems like they're finally getting where they wanted to get in all this, which is a seat at the table in golf to maybe whatever it's to... If you want to call it sports washing, you want to call it, you know, familiarize the Saudis and American commonplace in business. I don't know, whatever it is, they feel like they got to spend money in golf and by God, they have done it. Yeah, and I wonder if there's going to be sort of a yo-yo effect here. Like what we do know is this is that in a fractured professional golf structure, there's no way that was going to be sustainable long-term. And so we can talk about the ways in which either side had some form of leverage to weight the other out, you know, that the Saudis have all this money, but they're not going to forever dump it down a black hole where they can't get a major television contract where, I mean, I think that's another part of this. It's really worth thinking about is that all these guys, they signed to that first round of contracts for those terms. Those things were coming up again soon. So they want to continue to have some form of leverage. They're going to have to pay another large sum of money to keep that player there on the live tour. So there were, of course, you know, a lot was reported on the PGA tour side of things of, you know, why they didn't have money to continue fighting against the PIF and that at some point they were going to have to kind of bend their will and bring them in. But there were similar considerations on the Saudi side in terms of how long do we want to prop this thing up if it's not going to blossom and to leave it to be. I think there, I just feel like in some way, shape or form, there's going to be a yo-yo effect or rubber man effect here where this thing has to get right size in terms of what it's actually worth. I don't know why this is the example that I'm thinking of in my head, but I think of like salary scaling for NFL rookies going back to the pre where they didn't have the salary slotting and they were getting these gargantuan deals for, you know, 50 and 60 million dollars guaranteed right out of the gate and this wasn't sustainable and then they went from that to an incredibly restrictive like four year, $22 million salary slotting for rookies in like the early 2010s. It also didn't make sense. And so I equate that in some way, shape or form into the money that is being pumped into the game. Like now it's clearly too much and I wonder if it's going to come back to a right sized amount once this whole thing comes back together because it just, it just wouldn't make sense for it to continue at this sort of rate. My questions next are more along the lines of what would the shared ecosystem look like? Like if they're all in the same umbrella, if they're all in the same umbrella, right, but who's both sides to support the shared product because they're, you know, the PGA Tour, you know, now lives under this umbrella. Live has a stake in it. They should support both sides. So is, I wonder if the case is going to be that guys that are currently on the PGA Tour would want to play for a live franchise. And I don't, I don't think it's any incentive now to pay those guys some big sum of money to join that franchise. But maybe there's like an ownership interest and there are marketing, you know, lanes that are now more open because it's, it's a product that's rubber stamped by the PGA Tour and it's under that umbrella. So that to me is my next set of questions. It's like, I think clearly what this does is it gets all the best players in the world in the biggest events, you know, on a, on a, you know, however many times per year, 15 times a year, but then past that, what does the rest of the golf landscape look like as team golf now a thing with PGA Tour players? I don't know. What are your thoughts there? Yeah. Team golf is definitely one of the things that comes to mind. I just think too about the PGA Tour players that have stayed, you know, they're, they're obviously playing for official world golf ranking points. They have an option to continue to, you know, work their way up in that legacy aspect of the PGA Tour. And, you know, I think the, with a big risk for these guys going to live golf tour, well, they felt like they were changing the way golf landscape, the professional golf landscape was going to look. And obviously they took a big chunk of money. They don't get world ranking points. So if you're under that umbrella now, does the world ranking system start to become something that was ignored for a bit? The players were upset about this on the live golf tour. Now, is that something that comes back now that they're like, Hey, whoa, we, we did the deal. Like we're at the seat of the table. Like retroactively crediting them for things. Well, not necessarily crediting from them. Like it's more of, of setting up a way in which it can be recognized. What players can get pulling official world golf ranking points. Because I just don't see a world in which now these players can come back. And it still seems like they're going to, you know, work on their own lanes. Now, they're just not going to be working against each other. I think the organization's quite as much. I think they're going to have their lanes, maybe picking off guys. I'm not sure how that's still going to work. I assume that's still what would go on, but in some way, shape or form it. It all is under the PGA Tour umbrella. So if as long as the big events are getting the guys that you want to get from the PGA Tour's perspective, they're like, all right, if the guy that's 38, 40 years old who's just passed the peak of their career once to go to live and play in that format. Great. Because right now the, you would argue that outside of John Rom, Bryson de Shambo, Cameron Smith, you know, there's, there's, there's a group of guys that you want playing in the top of ends. But outside of that, you know, I guess this is the last piece to in this is that the, the huge difference, right, is players are playing stroke play. They're, they're starting on the first tee. The format, all we've talked about that. But the brands that these guys have on the PGA Tour that they create, like, you know, Jordan, speak for under army. You know him for, you know, playing the, the equipment that he plays. When you see Bryson now, like he wears the same outfit every single day. And it's the same team outfit. And he's got other teammates that wear the same thing. And you, you work for live. You work for the Saudis. Like you, you've got to do all of these things, which aren't the worst end of the world. What's, what's not an act like this is, this is awful. You're getting paid a whole lot of money to do this. But there's big differences now between what a professional golf on the PGA Tour. The decisions they get to make versus the decisions that the, the lift off tour players get to make day in and day out. So there's a, there's a big difference between some of the things that these guys are, can and cannot do now. Well, and, and I think to take it one additional step in looking at like the pieces that are moving on the chess table right now. And I don't know how much of this is calculated, how much this was already in works. But it seems not entirely coincidental to me that the timing of this letter that Camille Vijayga since the tour goes out and saying, Hey, we're reeling back cards. We're, you know, we're looking at going back to a hunter. We're looking at kind of closing pathways a little bit. And, you know, hearing Michael Kim come on the show a few days ago and talk about how, you know, it's a lot easier to add cards back in than it is to take cards away. And so what are they doing now? They're putting a precedent in place for when these live guys come back. We don't just have all these free cars to hand out. And there's less of a leverage position where you can say, well, you're giving out, you know, you're keeping 125 cars. You're giving 30 to corporate tour guys and 10 to DP world tour guys and another few to college guys. Surely there should be a way to let in, you know, 24 of our live guys. Well, if all of a sudden landscapes change, it's like, well, it's only 100 tour cards. It's like 20 corn fairy tour guys and it's kind of a more of a closed shop, more of a tight ecosystem. Maybe the number of cards that you're willing to kind of a lot for live guys changes a little bit. Maybe you have to send some of those guys back through corn fairy tour routes or things of that nature. It could be exciting. It could be exciting. We could be. We, all of the things that have, that have happened over the last couple of years, the changes that the tour has made. And just, I think even two from a network standpoint, like just trying different things. All I think will pay off in the long run, just trying different elements, the TGL team thing from the PGA tour side. What works? What doesn't work? What's worked from the live golf league that you can maybe incorporate into the whole grand scheme of what you want to see week and week out. But I think the way in which we're talking about this, which is, I think, a fair way is I do feel like a lot of these things are checked off. I think they're in a good place. The fact that Jay Monahan continues to go and play golf with Yasser, go over there and meet the Saudis in person. There must be very strong communication of the fact that, like, how can we get this through the DOJ? So, hey, let's say that an elected official, Trump gets elected and say, "Hey, I'm going to push this through. We could be in a place now where 2026 becomes much more of the new golf." Like, what we're going to expect to see over the next couple of decades, right? Like, there's been so much change every single year since all this gets started and we may be getting closer to, and this is the year I think we've all heard. And Adam Scott said it. Other players have said that 2026 was always going to be the target year. So, next year, it gives me another bridge year. The tours already got their schedule out. The live golf tours only put out four of their events, which is hilarious that every year it's like Brooks is going to be setting the tweets like, "Hey, what does someone get the schedule?" It's like, "I got to play in all of them, so it'd be nice to know where I'm playing." The TGL point I think is really interesting that you make, Smiley, because if you're looking at how many four-player professional golf teams do we now have in existence, it's like there are 13 of those over on live. There are now six of those in the TGL. It's definitely easier to kind of start merging ecosystems with existing structures and branding in place. Again, that's a moonshot. I have no idea what that looks like and whether it's closer to a greengrass product, like Live, or if it's like, "Hey, Live Guys, come play inside our brand new SoFi center that we just built down here in Palm Beach." It's this type of product. I would love to watch a PGA/TGL team go up against a Lib team. That to me is interesting. If you had a heck of a way to draw up interest for that league, a lot of people looked at and said, "It's just going to be a thing." All of a sudden, now there's another 1026. It gets a little bit more interesting. With all due respect to the match, I can tell you which one of those two matches this fall I want to watch. It's not the one with all the random celebrities. I want to watch the PGA/TGL versus Live match. That's in a lot of people probably feel somewhere to me. I don't know how close we are, but it was nice to at least see a tweet come across saying, "Could we be maybe a little bit closer?" Yeah. Well, I think where the PGA tour is now with how exciting this last year really was with Scotty Shefford basically and Xander Shoffley putting the team on their backs. They drummed up a lot of interest in a year in which people were as disinterested as ever in watching. I tell you what, when you go out to these big events and you see the crowds that these guys are pulling, there is interest. It's close. It's just a matter of getting people in the habit of watching off again. I think that's where we're at right now, which is there's too many people that are like, "You know what? I could watch golf or I could go play golf or I just don't like how golf has been covered." And so maybe those changes that the broadcast are making to try to keep people engage and want to be sitting on their couch and make it experience like it was for my family as a kid, which is Sunday afternoons. We went to church. When hit golf balls, we came home, we watched the back nine. That's kind of what we did. When you hear a good idea, it's natural to do a double take. That's what you might do when you hear "Discover" will automatically double the cashback you've earned on your credit card at the end of your first year with cashback match. Wait, what? Yup. Double the cashback is something so good you might do a triple take. It pays to discover. See terms at discover.com/creditcard. And so I think it's all about making it maybe a bit of a habit again for people to want to watch the professional game and make it to where it makes sense, where there's a little less golf. But when you are turning on the golf, it's a big event and all the guys are there. That's all the changes that they're talking about that we have been discussing over the last week since Camila set out the deal, less cards, bigger events. I think we're going in the right direction. Yeah, I think so too. And I think it's just going to be there. There's some things need to happen at a level that's far above these professional tours. We all watched the hearing, you know, we know the oversight. Did we all watch the hearing? I think it was more. It was a fuller part of my job description at that point than it is now. So I watched a lot of that hearing. I didn't watch any of it. I think the main thing is that I think that if this was left up to the golf governing bodies, it'd be a lot closer to being done or it would already be done. And I think that that's probably the biggest factor that's in play. And to your point, there's, you know, an election happening. As the time is recorded, there's an election happening right now that can have a huge impact on that and then pass that. We'll see where it goes. But, you know, another wrinkle in the story. So I don't know if you have any other thoughts on that smiley, but I think that suits for now. So maybe we get right to this interview with Brentley Romine on the state of the amateur side of the game and the collegiate side of the game as the fall season wraps up there. And we take a little bit of break and we get ready for the spring season in college golf. So let's get right to it with Brentley Romine. Hey guys, welcome back. We have Brentley Romine College Golf Expert, Golf Week Writer. Joining us here now, we have Charlie here as well to help get this conversation going. And Brentley, there's so much going on with college golf right now. And if you couldn't be more connected than anybody. And so I think there's a good place to start here as we're going to talk about PGA2RU. We're going to talk about these, the loop clantons of the world, the Gordon Sargents and those types of players. But college golf right now is similar to the landscape of professional golf, which is changing. It seems like every single minute, you know, with college golf, just like college football. Big time adjustments coming to the sport, roster cuts, being the one that's, I think, is the one that's being the most effective for these juniors coming. As well as players that are on teams right now trying to make a spot. So, Brentley, first of all, thanks for coming. Let's get straight into that, though, if you don't mind. Yeah, no, thanks for having me, guys. And if college golf wasn't considered the Wild Wild West before, it definitely is now. Let's talk, let's start with PGA2RU, because I think this is now what the fourth year or the fourth class with that program. And I think what the job that Brendan Van Dorn at the PGA2R has done with this program, especially adding to the list of perks that these guys get. Now we have a PGA2R card. We have essentially the top 10 get some sort of corn-free tour status. And the top 25 get exemptions through certain stages of Q school, PGA2R Americas. I think when you can offer that much to these young players, it definitely eases some of that anxiety. Especially that first year out playing pro golf, because we've seen it before this program. I mean, guys like Brooks Kepka and Jordan Spieth didn't get through Q school their first years. Now, they were always going to be fine. They were going to get through. But I was always curious to kind of wonder just how many players were lost by the wayside because they didn't make it through Q school. And then they go through a slump and then they just can never get on the right side of the coin. So, well, he's going to be just fine. We're going to see him in Cyprus point here in about 10 months. But I actually, I mean, I'd be curious to get your guys thoughts on PGA2R you because initially, I think coaches more so than anybody else were concerned about just how much of a distraction it would be. But I think now that we're in year four, they kind of realize that it is really important. And it may have led to some players transferring from smaller schools to big time programs to play in the big point events to kind of get higher on that list. But I think overall, it's like great golf takes care of itself. And, you know, guys aren't really necessarily thinking about that as they get into April and May, they just know that they play well. They're going to get the points. Well, Brendan, when we talk about what you just said there, which is, you know, players from the smaller schools, the Stenson or whatever school you want to name here that's transferring up to a top school. You know, they are effectively, you know, now potentially taking some spots of some other players who've been sitting on the bench. So those players will then either transfer down or just kind of remained on the team. But as we head into potentially next year, a big change is going to be that rosters will only have eight guys. So the trickle down effect in this, and we see this at the professional level now, how it's affected, how many chord fairy tour cards are going to be, or how many spots are available at Q school. Everything just keeps on getting tighter and tighter and tighter. Yeah, and I'd be interested to see just how many players kind of give up playing golf in college. Because if you look at some of these top programs, the ninth, 10th, 11th guys, I'm not necessarily so sure that they'll go down and play for a Stenson or Florida Gulf Coast. I think they're more likely to chase a degree because, you know, granted these big time college golf programs, a lot of them are very good academically as well. And a lot of them have, you know, the environment that you look for with football and the fraternities and sororities and things like that. I think there would be, I would be kind of remiss to discredit, you know, those attractions for like young college kids because sometimes they know they're not going to play on the PGA Tour. So why, you know, why go and play for a, and I don't want to single out of school, what why go play for a Mercer or a Georgia state when you could just stay at Alabama and play club golf or something. I've heard the argument made, and I know that Smiley disagrees with me on this point, but just that having a roster with eight guys, obviously much tighter, that a knock on effect could be that instead of having, you know, a big school with a really deep roster and a ton of talent to players, many of which will not play, that talent trickles down to other schools. And there's a greater, you know, maybe a sense of parity in college golf because there is, you know, those teams that wouldn't have had those players that they're on the back end of a big school roster instead they're now the best player in the top four at a smaller school and all of a sudden there's a greater level of competition. Do you subscribe to that theory? Do you disagree? I think, I think some of it, I would give a little credit to that, but again, I think the bigger concern is with some of these, these mid majors is some of them might not even have golf programs like if they're having to share 22% of their revenue which for the big schools is probably, you know, between 20 and $23 million for the small schools, it's significantly less than that, but they can, you know, they can give up to if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, they can give over 22% up into a certain point. But if these mid majors are who have football are going to be focusing on compensating those players football and basketball, there might not be room for a men's golf program. Now golf is in a different situation than most because it's such a small roster size to begin with so it's not like you're looking at a swimming and diving or track and field or sports of that nature. But yeah, so I think, I think that's another thing. I think mid majors without football probably stand to benefit the most, a school like Pepperdine that doesn't, doesn't need to worry about football, like they can now say, all right, like, which sports do we want to be our winners? Where do we want to invest the most money in men's golf, women's golf, like, there you go. And so those schools could be all sudden getting, no, not only getting the ninth guy from Oregon, which, you know, I think Pepperdine probably that there might not be a spot there for the ninth guy from Oregon, but, you know, those schools can not only get some of these players trickling down, but they might also be more likely to invest in their golf programs. What about NIL when it comes to all this? Who's somebody who's probably spoken with a lot of coaches, kids, you know, parents and all this. I think we all, when we talk about NIL, we think about the Shador Sanders, the Libby Dunns, and you see how much money they're making. Is it affecting, you know, these top junior recruits yet? Have we gotten to that point where the miles rustle, the tire watch? Are these players now? Is the recruitment change compared to how it used to be with this NIL being a component? Well, so I have to be careful because we know that coaches aren't supposed to be talking about prospective student athletes, but I think the very best example is going on right now with the Blades Brown sweepstakes. Several big schools are up for him, but it's tricky, and I know a lot of coaches, it's provided or produced some stress because Blades Brown is going to demand six figures per year probably to get him to come to school someplace. And that's on the high side of men's golfers. I only know of probably two or three that are around that hundred K above mark. I think most, most of your average power five players are in the tens to 20s. There's probably a good handful of all Americans that are in your 40s to 50s to 60s, but, but Blades Brown, I know, maybe not for a fact, but some good substantiated rumors that it is going to be a six figure. Deal wherever he goes in NIL wise, and it's tricky because this, this is a kid who's already gone to Q school this year. Doesn't predict to stay more than a year or two in college, though, you know, with the PGA tour you accelerated maybe that if he does well in the amateur events or earn some points for that maybe that talks him into staying longer. But I think it's just, it's so much money to invest in just one player, especially one that's maybe not as committed to staying and contributing to the program long term, unlike maybe another guy, like a Tyler Watt. So you could probably get, and he's going to play four years or Luke Colton or someone like, like that. And, you know, I don't want to discredit Blades because he's, he's amazing. Like, he's a great talent. We saw what he's done on the PGA tour already. He's probably going to be on the Walker Cup team if he's an amateur next year and invited to that practice session. So, but is he worth it? I don't think any golfer is worth a hundred K, at least from the school. Now, Bradley, forgive me if my understanding here isn't complete in terms of where we stand in terms of athlete compensation, but I sense that if I'm still kind of confused, there are probably others out there that could use a sort of refresher on where we stand on this whole front. So I think back to the early days of like Wild West NIL where Quinn Eures was getting, you know, a big truck dealership, car dealership deal to go to Ohio State originally, you know, they flipping from Texas to Ohio State and then he goes back and we all kind of remember that era. And since then, there has been more of a regulation. And now we reach the point in time where, as we're discussing here on this podcast, there is a element of revenue sharing of revenue that these universities are generating. That's going back to the student athletes. So my question for you is especially as we look at the different profiles. Some of these schools and to your point mid majors that do have football programs mid majors that don't. What do you have a guess as to what percentage of the compensation for these student athletes is going to be from, you know, the era of dealerships or outside businesses that NIL chunk. What portion comes from the university or is that an understanding that I haven't fully like, is that all folded into one thing at this point in time? Yeah, so the way I understand it by talking to certain coaches whose ADs are kind of involved in this and no more than than most is any sort of money like collectives as we know them right now like the rules are going to change most with those like right now. You as a, you know, smiley as a LSU alum could throw money at the athletic department and that all goes into this big bucket and then the schools essentially out of these collectives can pay their players, whatever, and it doesn't have to be fair market value. There's not a lot of rules around any of this right now. And I think the best way to kind of think about where things are going is that you're going to have like each school is going to have kind of like an effective salary cap. Now this can change because there could be three more lawsuits within the next 12 months and we could be right back to square one but it's going to, it's going to put a salary cap in place to where all of the money given by the school to these athletes will count toward that 22% and you can't go over it. Now, there will be from what I understand and I think it's Price Waterhouse Cooper that that's going to be kind of handling this but you're going to have a third party that's going to judge all of these NIL deals that come from, from outside. So they'll be able to determine and ultimately give a final ruling on if it's legit or not. So if it's, so if, if Smiley, you know, if, if a car dealership wants to, if Smiley's in college and a car dealership wants to give money and have him do commercials and market and things like that. And it's reasonable, then then they can do that and that won't count against it. Now, if LSU wants to get Smiley to go there and they go to a booster and they say, Hey, like, can you give him 20k? Like, yeah, he could maybe do a commercial for a dealership, whatever like that probably wouldn't be within the rules and regulations of that. So there's just going to be the best way to kind of sum it up is salary cap and what you can play your players in, like, actual guardrails on, on collectives. Now with golf, OEM stuff, title is tailor made, that all wouldn't count towards it because that's, you know, as far as I know certain, you know, tailor made's not not paying a guide just to go to Auburn or just to go to Alabama. This is a basketball, you know, Bradley, money's never been, you know, too big of an issue in the college golf game, right? It's been about, you know, going to school where you're going to get developed to give yourself the best chance to make it to the PGA tour. Going where we're past pros have been able to make it through. And that's where, you know, a lot of these decisions have been made, but now money is becoming more of a factor where a kid maybe would be, you know, a slam dunk to go to this school. Now, hey, this school is spending the most money, and this is where you are seeing some of these kids go to school. And we saw that in the college football with some certain schools that I won't name that one of them just recently beat the Louisiana State University Tigers. We'll just name name lists, but with that being said, the next step in this now is that we've, we've have a couple of examples. Caleb Serat would be a prime example to me of a player who was a no brainer to me to be a guy who's going to make it through this PGA tour, you deal accelerated program. He was going to be probably the next one of the next guys to make it through. Another player too that comes to mind is Eugene O'Chakara. I can't, you would definitely know this before I would. If he played four years and graduated and then took the live deal, but I don't know how many years he did, I can't remember. But four years, but he had that extra COVID year on the table to come back. With that being said, we got two guys though that have gone to the live golf tour. And it's kind of, you know, set a bit of a, you know, precedent in a, you know, and makes these college players, you know, think about two different options now where before it seemed that there was only one option. Now, I think as some of these guys that are top college players, they see this as a potential way to skirt past, you know, going to Q school. And in that first year or two, you know, not sure if you're going to have status and all the things everybody else went through, they're able to go build a bankroll over it live. And then when they're done, they can go back and play the tour. Yeah, and I would hope that these changes to the corn for a tour, et cetera, et cetera, like fewer cards. I would hope that wouldn't deter US college players from, from thinking about other avenues because, like I said, what PGA tour you has done has provided like good pathways for these guys. And I'm not so sure like live is super gung ho and bringing all these unproven college players because we've seen it like Shakara is not even going to be a, is he a fireball or he's going to be on a new team. Yeah, so I mean he's not even like they don't even want him anymore and so rats like great player but again like you don't know what you're going to get with a lot of these guys now. You know, some of it is is marketability type stuff like being able to get potentially a recent US amateur champion, maybe from from Spain, you know, that could be an option for them but I just don't see live really trying to tap in at least in their current format where there's not a lot of open spots. I don't, I don't think the tour really views live as much of a threat as they did maybe a couple years ago when it comes to these, these young players which is why I don't think they're going to open the floodgates. If you're PGA tour you and all of a sudden offer 345 PGA tour carts I don't think it's going to happen I think they're in a good kind of sweet spot right now with with what they're offering and I mean they've had a pretty good track record I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen. This podcast is brought to you by Kleenex Lotion Tissues. You can't predict sick days but with Kleenex Lotion Tissues you can be better prepared for them while helping keep your skin healthy. Kleenex Lotion Tissues moisturize to help prevent skin irritation while you're battling those unwanted cold and flu symptoms. It's extra care when you need it most. Keep relief within reach. Grab Kleenex Lotion Tissues to help avoid the added discomfort of irritated skin during cold and flu season. For whatever happens next, grab Kleenex. Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. With the price of just about everything going up during inflation, we thought we'd bring our prices down. So to help us, we brought in a reverse auctioneer which is apparently a thing. Mint Mobile unlimited, premium wireless, head over to get 30, 30, ready to get 20, 20, ready to get 20, 20, ready to get 20, ready to get 15, 15, 15, just 15 bucks a month. So... Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch. $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month, new customers on first three month plan only, taxes and fees extra, speeds lower above 40 gigabytes of detail. So, Brentley, to kind of shift back to the tour side of things and looking at, you know, the two categories in which we can see you guys come out of, the regular PGA tour years standings and of course PGA tour you accelerated, you know, Gordon Sargent already has his card locked up and actually that's another question I want to get to. Another question I want to get to a little further down the line is just the makeup of the Walker Cup team and the way those standings and those cards will impact that sort of team, especially as they've just had their first practice session. But starting with the regular PGA tour you standings, the three that are near the top of those standings, shout out to the heels, my guy David Ford, he's up there. And then of course, USAM champion, but bias there and Auburn's Brendan Valdez as well. Fall season's over. What sort of, you know, if you had to make a prediction right now, who do you think shakes out as the number one at the top of that list at the end of this next season? Man, I do like the way that David Ford has played this fall when he looked at the two wins, especially coming off a summer where he didn't play that well. He had some issues with his lower back and his hip and I think he was contemplating surgery there for a little bit and I'm kind of similar to what we saw with Austin Greaser in the wrist a year ago, things just kind of miraculously got better for him. And I think he's learned a little bit more about his body and how to manage those things so I'm incredible fall for him, but he's also one and two against by a stare in the fall by a stare missed a tournament. Otherwise, he could have two wins as well as it finished outside at the top five. I think when you look at the race for PGA Tour, you it's probably the number one is probably going to end up being the player of the year in college golf. You know, I think that's there's going to be a lot of overlap with some of those awards. That's unique too, right? Like that hasn't been the case lately. Yeah. And you know, especially because last year Jackson Coivin just had such a great year, like you've always had some other classmen. Like, but now you have two seniors here who have kind of ran away from the pack a little bit and we have a lot of golf left. I mean, teams are playing what five, six times before their conference championships in the spring. Like someone could come out of nowhere, you know, maybe a guy that's been a little bit sleepy this fall like Clinton or Jackson Coivin, or even Brendan Valdez who's in the running for that number one as well. I do think it's speaking of rarities, Smiley. By the time we get to San Diego here in late May, like we're going to have a PGA Tour, you race that's not going to be already over like the first few years. It's been kind of a formality for Michael Robinson for John Pak, like those guys it's already been over mathematically. So, I think it's going to be a lot, a lot closer. But I do think that the player of the year is probably going to be Jose Biostare from Arizona State. I think he's, he's just at a different level, like what we saw at Hazeltine when in the US and how he's been able to translate and kind of come into college and then actually fly like to Spain and play a DP World Tour event and then come back and not miss a beat at the Williams Cup and finish top five. Like, he just does things like I think across the board that a lot of guys in college golf right now can't really say. And just PGA Tour, you the accelerated program. I want to talk about a little bit about Gordon Sergeant because I think it was widely considered, you know, a no brainer for him just to go ahead and turn pro and not return for his, I believe, junior season. So for you as somebody who's covered, you know, college golf and now has this accelerated program. You see a guy like Gordon Sergeant come back. Just overall, was that a surprise from everyone that's, you know, the top teams, the top players. I think there was a lot of conversation on should or should he not come back and ultimately, you know, it only comes down to what Gordon thinks he should do as far as he's ready or not. But was that a bit of surprise to you? You know, when he announced it, I think it was more of a surprise than it is now hindsight 2020 and certainly the Masters two years ago, if someone was to tell you that he'd have a PGA Tour card in his pocket for summer of 2024 and he's not going to take it. You'd think like that person had three heads because, I mean, he was by all accounts, the can't miss kid of that Masters. I remember he played a practice round with Rory and Brooks, I think, on a maybe Tuesday. And I know Rory, like later that evening, what was telling some members in the media that he was just, he was so impressed with like the way Gordon controlled his spin with some of the shorter clubs. And I think as we fast forward to now, like the wedge game is still an issue for Gordon, but I think the thing that is bothering him the most and why I think it was such a great idea for him to come back for an extra year is just, I think mentally. You know, he's not ready for the PGA Tour right now and what I mean by that is, you know, knowing Gordon since before he got to college. And I think he was, he was raised in a way where his parents never made too big a deal about him and his golf talents. You have a lot of junior golf parents who, you know, and rightfully so like think the world or their kid but they're constantly putting them out there and, you know, putting pressure on him and things like that and Gordon's parents I think did it the right way and never really did that. And the last year and a half Gordon's been in this pressure cooker where he's got so many expectations and so many people expecting a lot of them. He's got people now he's in contracts with with people with NIL he's got an agent, he's has all these things and like I think deep down Gordon just wants to be a kid and play golf and so I think that's been the biggest hindrance on him is just feeling like he has to go out there every, every time and not only win for himself but win for all these other people and that's why I think we're seeing some of these big numbers is because the mental game just isn't there like he'll go out and make seven eight birdies. I think there was a tournament. God what was it I think it was earlier this year he made like 18 birdies and shot like eight over par or something like that he was way down. He's just making too many big numbers and I think a lot of that is just there's just an inordinate amount of pressure that I think is unique to him but not even Luke Clanton right now I think has more pressure and more expectation than think Gordon Sergeant does. On the topic of PGA Tour you accelerated something we've discussed at length on this show just looking at the way those points are awarded and this is no disrespect at all to Jackson Koivan who's a phenomenal player who's joined us on the show here but if you look at the points he's won 11 of those from winning awards one is for making a team and you go look at Luke Clanton spread and 10 of his 15 points are points he earned either by for play on the PGA Tour or play in a major. I know smiley and I discussed here last summer when Luke was on or just this most recent summer when Luke was on that run a form of just maybe re waiting some of those points that are awarded for top 10s or top 5s things of that nature. Is there you know do you have a quick sheet of what you propose to change in terms of waiting performance on the PGA Tour though maybe make this a little easier for a guy who plays like Luke Clanton did this past summer to earn his tour card. So I think people at the PGA Tour are regular listeners of the smiley show because I think there's people involved in PGA Tour you that absolutely agree with you on these these awards like I wouldn't be surprised at all and that would be my big change to is to take the three points awarded for winning the Hogan and the Haskins and Nicholas and shrink that back down to two but at the same time like these like this criteria was made using past data as as an example and when you go back to the PGA Tour you know 10 years and the only players who would have satisfied this criteria were Justin Thomas Patrick Cantley and Patrick Rogers like there's probably not a like John Rhomdon even satisfy or wouldn't have satisfied this criteria Maverick McNealy wouldn't have satisfied it so I think they can lean back on that and still say like you have to earn it. He's a max and covenants not to 20 points yet like he's at 17 but he could I still if I had to bed I would I would say he's still you know probably plus 140 or plus 150 to satisfy accelerated I think Luke Clanton is maybe plus 200 plus 300 because he's only got a semester left to earn five points. So unless he can get in some more tour events which will be difficult because you're going to have PJ tour members not being able to get into a lot of open events early next year. You know I think it's still. I'm fine with where it's at but if they want to adjust that and and maybe give some points to winners of the western am or you know a couple of these big tournaments maybe a point for winning Olympia fields or something like that I'd be for that as well. Hey does everybody start from ground zero as a senior for PJ tour you. So you have what's kind of like a shadow ranking so basically once your junior year starts you're accruing PJ tour you points but you don't know where you stand until the summer before your senior year when they when they press live on those rankings. So I didn't know if a Luke Clanton starts exactly the same way is a guy who hasn't played at all for let's say Georgia and then he goes out and he makes the line up his senior year and wins his first couple events. And now he's at the top of the PJ tour you thing and now we have a guy with Luke Clanton who needs these points and or has deserved probably to earn a PJ tour card through the system. So I'm just I'm a big loophole guy in this whole thing is I continue to try to like break it down as I disagree with how many points that would clanton has and that I think they're in a in a system that is called PJ tour you accelerated how we don't have more points available when these players do play good on the PJ tour blows my brain. Well, let's let's also keep in mind though that if Luke Clanton for some reason does not get five points by the end of the NCAA championship next spring. He's going to start the regular PJ tour you rankings with a with a massive leave that's the question that's what I needed to know because this summer well well you know actually you know what he's a junior now. So yeah so anything from after this this year 2024 NCAA championship would count toward that so Luke clanton would not be able to count his three wins from the spring. But he is able to count the three top tens on the PJ tour which you know there's not going to be guys who can count that in their average he's going to have a huge lead over that's good enough good enough all right. So as we move past all these conversations and first off really thank you this has all been very educational for us in a lot of these aspects and I do like a good recruiting scoop to always like to hear you know who some of these schools are getting in some of these deals but what's let's turn our page to the spring for this college year who's had a great fall. You know we know the Auburn team is really solid but there's been some surprises Ole Miss has been a surprise even shoot LSU has been really great this fall so I'm curious to think or see who you think will be the team is anybody getting past Arizona State or or an Auburn at the end of the year. Yeah so I was actually sitting down I'm going to write something later this week just kind of recap in the fall you know current favorites things like that and you know I kind of struggled with it because you know as you mentioned like Auburn still really good and really deep and had the fall that they would have expected Jackson Coliven as a couple finishes outside the top 20 and that just can't happen if Auburn wants to defend its national championship. You mentioned Ole Miss I just spoke to Chris Maloy a couple days ago. And you know they're certainly riding high I think Co-ntrolio if there was a comeback player of the year award in college golf he's probably the the front runner for that right now just because I mean he was in the depths of it. LSU and forgotten about and I'm really surprised I didn't think he would get back on the horse and have two or three top tens like he has already this quickly so you know kudos to him but you know I really think Arizona State is the team to beat because they're one event where they really weren't in real contention was when by a stair was over in Spain playing on the DP World Tour so Preston Summer Hayes hasn't had the type of fall that you would expect out of him I think he's only going to get better and play more like the first team all American that he is a kid at a San Diego who probably was overshadowed being in the same class as when you ding but you know ding is gone now and Connors had more you know opportunity to kind of step up and show the player that he's about so I really think Arizona State right now would be the team that I would put money on Oklahoma is deep as well but Andrew Goodman didn't make the lineup they still end up winning out in Hawaii yesterday three wins in the fall. I just think there's there's something to be said when you have a deep team but you don't have that clear cut number one or number two guy. I think sometimes you get into a situation where you're trying to have it be too much of a meritocracy later in the spring and perhaps you leave a guy at home who could be the difference in you making match play or not. I think they get to match play but I don't think they have the bias there or the Jackson Coven to really lean on like some of these other favorites. And are you last question here are you kind of where do you stand on you know the National Championship staying in one location. It was at La Costa it's going to be there it's in San Diego it's in prime time I know TV probably makes a big call on all this but gone are the days where they just traveled to the best golf courses. Yeah I probably like I've been to like ten or eleven national championships now and to me like some of the best ones were always on campus courses like you look at 2018 Oklahoma State and Oregon in 2016 with Soul Monroza making the putt and Van Williams who is the assistant at the time just like being basically a mascot and the green storming and all that I mean I know Rive wasn't necessarily a campus course. But it was so cool to be able to see a major championship layout right and obviously like the stars showed up for that with Jordan and Justin and you know even the Kent State team with with with Connors and Hughes and Pendi but you know I think sometimes it's more important to kind of look at the bigger picture and probably the fact that college golf and in terms of TV like that's the next step that's just being able to increase the exposure. And I also think you know we talked about this revenue stuff and where the NCAA is heading and it's expensive to not only host a golf championship but also host one that's on TV like it costs a lot of money and I was talking with coach fields last week just I call him up talk to him every every few weeks or so and he was sharing with me that it's probably to host it right it probably costs about $3 million a year right now for both men's and women's. And what they're working towards with this college golf foundation is to be like fully funded like to not have to rely on the NCAA to to foot the bill and if they can do that. And the one caveat is it stays in San Diego. Then I think that's that's a good trade off like yeah I wish we could have it move around and be on some different golf courses but. At least it's a good golf course I mean the job that Gil's done with it and look at the most popular golf tournament in the world. The Masters like yes it's Augusta National that's probably why it's such a big deal but you also have records you have iconic shots you have all that stuff and that's something to be said to. It's a good point because I when I think about iconic shots I think about Inverness was it a Bronzer Burgoon with Texas A&M hitting that big shot for sure a match. Yeah there's there's there's iconic shots but they're hit all on different golf courses so that you make a great point there with the cost is so. It's a pretty sick comp there to to compare Gil Gil Hansen's Omni LeCosta redesign without Mr. Mackenzie's Augusta National. Yeah. On the board right there. All right. A little bit blasphemous but I really do think Gil's done a great job. My one qualm is the fact that and this is one of my biggest gripes about golf course design is when the. There is no coming back to the clubhouse after nine holes so from a coverage standpoint and a reporting standpoint and when you have split tees and teams finishing all the way like three miles away. Yeah that's an issue for me but I realized that's how golf started we're gonna we're gonna put that on the on the media complaint list and we got a we got a whole bucket of lists on our end over here so we'll just add it. We'll add Brett Lee's meeting a plate but friendly thank you man. I appreciate you this has been a very educational and I feel like we we kind of know where we're at right now heading to the spring of golf so I appreciate your time in. Well thanks very much for having me and you know November 5 2025 we could rewatch this episode and I can look like a complete idiot so. No but you could be a genius you could be I could be a lot of a lot of things a lot of thanks guys. Well thanks to Bradley Romine that was a great interview and Charlie one of the things we didn't really talk about with Bradley was a bit of the Walker Cup stuff we had mentioned some players that are potentially going to be playing they just held some practices down in MacArthur. So it'd be interesting and I wanted to quiz you do you know where the next Walker Cup is. You know smiley I'm just I'm just trying to think where where it might where I might be able to figure out where that Walker Cup is all right here on this flag would have behind me every single day. I was actually so bum we did not get to that part of the interview because I I cannot wait for this Walker Cup and this is something that you and I've talked a lot about our tour plans next year but I need to be at this Walker Cup with my son also named Walker and shoot some form of content there. Luke Land probably on this team a lot of big names in the mix for this team that we could see it's cypress but like it's going to be a really fun one this year. So yeah he definitely got to go. Yeah it's what I found interesting too is that there's going to be a good amount of guys that aren't going to be playing you know players that like Gordon Sargent who you know they're going to get started in their professional career which you know used to have guys wait around for the Walker Cup and then turn pro after but it's kind of like a new day and age and amateur golf too it's like you play one it's like okay that's that's enough. I'm not waiting all the way until September for when you know a whole summer of playing amateur golf it's so it's it'll be interesting to see what team they'll have they'll obviously be big favorites. And the one thing I wish the Walker Cup would do is I wish they went Europe as well on that side I think that would start making it a little bit more competitive and you really start to get up. It's mainly it's like a junior Ryder Cup and that's that's kind of what I would be really interested to seeing because years down the road you could you know you could say well these these two guys baluster from Arizona State. He played Luke Clanton and Luke Clanton won on the last hole and it was the most epic match ever and now they're playing in the Ryder Cup it wherever the venue is I think that that would be cool if I know they have a junior Ryder Cup but it's not near as important or as iconic as what what is the Walker Cup which is the number one thing that any amateur players try to make. Well I think I think it's a governor body thing and let me first apologize because I just realized for our podcast audience I just did some really good radio and not actually explaining I was pointing at my cypress point Walker Cup flag behind me for everyone that's listening. That's that's what I was doing when I did that little excited about it because I'm looking at you. The YouTube viewers they got it they nailed it so that's yet another reason why you should subscribe to our YouTube and watch the show there but that's neither here nor there. I think to your point because it doesn't make any sense it's like this is the elite amateur competition and with all due respect to Great Britain and Ireland you know you can use a little bit of depth on that roster would have been nice to leave a go bear on that roster. The Walker Cup is organized and run by the USGA and the junior Ryder Cup of course another PGA of America products so there'd have to be some sort of perhaps negotiating make good type situation there but I'm holy with you a a Walker Cup that is a junior version of the Ryder Cup. I think that starts to walk up is already televised on Golf Channel but that starts to become a very highly sought after television product well if I can just explain a little further on this. Before we close this out when I look at the wagger which is the world amateur golf rankings. The only player inside the top 11 that is not American is Alistair. So the next guy is Omar Morales will be placed at USC from Mexico again field this weekend. We're a wide technology champion. The first guy not being a great flag guy. We're just talking about great great Britain and Ireland. I mean it's just you got to keep going man. I don't even see anybody inside the top 50. Yeah I'm trying to catch up with you here just to see to just help you on the flag game. Yeah I don't see anybody by the top 50 Omar Morales is at 12 from Mexico. Jacob Scott Olson is Danish so there's a year ago 13th world ranked amateur he'd be on a walk up team. Never mind. It was a flag out apparently. But Kalam Scott will be on that team because he is Scottish or I don't know how Kalam is or where he's going to turn pro. But yeah the point stands even in looking at this I think that you get a little more depth on the Euro side. There's plenty of guys. It'd be way way better. But that's a bit of a personal request. I mean I'm excited nonetheless to see I'm excited to see golf on TV. Well I mean I'm hoping to be there in person but you know golf at Cypress Point that's high leverage. It's going to be awesome. Yeah it's going to be awesome. It's September perfect conditions on the Monterey Peninsula. Very fired up for it. Yeah and hoping to get out there a little earlier to take Walker to the aquarium. He needs to get the aquarium. Big ocean animals guys we've covered here on the show. So excited to hopefully get out there for the AT&T this year and do a little bit of that. So what do we got Smiley? Any final thought we had the World Wide Technology Championship in Mexico this week. We'll be recapping that. We're going to do a little live stream on Monday morning following that competition which I believe is November 11th. So if you have some time to join us on Monday morning you want to hop in the chat. Send us some comments and catch up on that tournament or really anything else in the world of golf you'd like to discuss. We will be there doing that on our YouTube channel and on our X channel and our X platform. I don't know what the correct term is there but we'll be on X live if you want to talk to us there. But any other final thoughts you got Smiley before we send out our audience? No just got some big interviews coming up. So a lot to be excited about if you're a listener of the show. So we got some good players coming up that I think a lot of people are really going to enjoy. Yes very excited about that. And back to some of the things we did this last fall breaking down the game of golf with some of the best players in the world. So pump for that. Appreciate you watching and listening as always and we'll talk to you right back here very soon. You know I listen to this podcast it's really cool. All of our world brands and subscribers but make sure you like it from scratch. It's cool to see what you guys are doing. I know golf fans appreciate it but we do too so please keep it up. For all the good people on YouTube like and subscribe. You guys have some good takes so I'm happy to come on and shoot this. Support for this podcast comes from Progressive America's number one boat insurer. 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In this episode, Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme discuss the current state of professional and amateur golf, beginning with reports that the PGA TOUR and LIV GOLF - via the PIF - are close to a deal that would bring the two leagues under the same umbrella. Brentley Romine joins the show to discuss the shifting landscape of collegiate athletics, and the challenges facing college golf programs, including roster cuts and the effects of NIL on recruiting.
