I Came With Fire
"Inter-Dimensional Highchair" with Won Nothing Podcast
What's up everybody welcome back to I came a fire podcast it is our friends Amanda and David from one nothing podcast if you guys listen to our collab before you should know all about him if you haven't what the fuck is wrong with you yeah and we'll give you the opportunity to get to this so go watch theirs then come back and watch this right perfect exact perfect exact perfect segue zach zach we're we're just wondering why 90% of the people who listen to us aren't subscribed so please hit the subscribe button on your way to listening to our collab episode with one nothing so ladies first right so crumpets go ahead and introduce yourself please hello I'm crumpets mcfuckington no I'm Amanda and I'm the host of one I think podcast and along with my lovely co-host with the co-host David over here yeah that's what you want to know I'm pretty boring outside of this fun podcast where we talk about people dying a whole bunch what's your obsession with maple syrup it's delicious hmm okay I need no further explanation absolutely not if for anybody wondering we ask a question because Amanda is Canadian so all right a David give us a little rundown because you have your own you have your own thing on the side too David yeah I have a page I am David from down the rabbit hole and we have a lot of platforms out there where you can watch all of my paranormal videos I have conspiracies I have cryptids I have everything you could possibly think of that's paranormal or supernatural related I just started a YouTube channel which is really cool and I am the co-host of one nothing podcast with Amanda here and Rachel forget Rachel who's Rachel we didn't meet her last time she is our other co-host and she is fantastic okay sorry that we did not get to yeah did she hate Pete yes she yeah she when she can join us she joins us when she can't join us she can't join us okay which I works you know we love her she's fantastic uh unfortunately she wasn't there with you guys which was a great show you guys were amazing thank you so much for showing up I wanted to say Brandon fucking great job man I was so glad you're there and Zack yeah and so you know I just can't you were there bro you were there brother you were physically present you know what everyone that's listening is to go to the one nothing podcast and send a picture of your feet to the step she loves feet she loves it I would totally not enjoy that that's a quick way to block city exactly here piggies in your socks I'm just kidding it was great to have both you guys there was fantastic the episode was killer no pun intended and thank you guys so much for for joining us yeah thanks for coming and uh sitting with us man so I really want to keep this this conversation weird since you guys have a pretty pretty strange podcast and um David you're your page I love man I love seeing this you put up there because I have a real big interest in the paranormal I think I've had um you know like I'm a lifelong interest in the paranormal and last year Zack and I we did a whole month of spook um spook October we had a bunch of guests on who are terrible investigators yeah and um so we love that kind of thing but why did you guys amanda you're you're kind of the founding member right of one nothing why did you decide to do like true crime just kind of the genre that I'm interested in I really didn't listen to podcasts much and then I started dabbling in a couple and I got really interested in it but I would I would door dash part time so I'd be listening to a lot and I'd run out quickly to have trouble finding ones that had the content that I wanted to kind of learn about and so then one day I figured instead of just trying to search through thousands of podcasts to find stuff that interests me to just do it myself and even if nobody listened I'm still kind of learning stuff and then David came along pretty early into it and that's when it really clicked before that it was just like something kind of fun to do um and then when David joined it really made it like a venture like it became something that was just really exciting and and watching it kind of transform over the last year has been really rewarding and kind of interesting are you the type of person who's like watches like true crime documentaries and then they're like but he left his fingerprint you're like that freakin idiot dumbass yeah I would kill someone how would I get away with it and then I'm like probably not like the healthiest thing to be thinking but it's just it keeps me occupied sometimes like wait at night and you're trying to sleep yep man is already thinking about killing people so there you go in yep go go go go all right non suspicious sip of my soda yeah dude so what's always doing there's always that argument about nature versus nurture you've heard about that right oh yeah yeah yeah anyone who kills was it because they were nurtured that way because their their home life was horrible or was it is it nature and my approach to that has always been that it's not one or the other I think when you're talking about nature every single human being on earth is capable of murdering somebody that's just yeah that's the nature of it right nurture is a whole other thing because yeah you can have let's say I don't know um Kemper you know Kemper literally think about Ed Kemper really okay so he lives like 40 minutes for me wow he's one of the most fascinating ones but the reason I bring him up is because how he was raised he was yes he was raised in a horrible environment right yep so he did have the nature he had the nurture and then he did what he did but you're going to find a lot of people who are going to have the same kind of environment or their the nurture part is going to be the same but they're not killing so how do you explain those people you know I'm saying it's a it's a I think what it is man I think you're spot on I think it's just like this compilation of stuff that happens in the right order and whatever that right order is for that person you know what I mean yeah so Ed Kemper is in the vacaville like penitentiary or whatever so he is he's not that far from me and um but I was thinking about him because of what you said he killed his grandmother and his grandfather as a kid right grew up the super fucked up life and the reason why he killed his grandmother and correct me if I'm wrong David is because he found out that um wasn't she unfaithful to her grandfather and she kind of treated him like shit wasn't that the might have been I can't remember the exact details on that but yeah he did shoot her right with a rifle or something like this it was a shock on right and so he killed her while his grandfather was out working on the family farm and he only killed his grandfather because he didn't want him to see her like that this is higher impetus right of killing his grandpa and then later in life right later in life everybody you know knows him as the co-ed killer because he was living in life because he was living with his mom and then you know was was going and kidnapping and raping and murdering these these young college students and you know and then eventually killed his mom and cut her head off and all this stuff and um that was that show mind hunters right they did a really really good job yeah they did a really good job I remember reading the book Mindhunter and it was from an actual FBI agent that worked in the behavioral unit he's actually the guy who started all I did when I grew up I wanted to be an FBI agent working for the behavioral units I was a very very interesting thing that I wanted to be a part of and I remember reading that book and then when they made the show the show is how do you explain it's the characters that are in it are fictional characters right there yeah based on the actual people but they have different names yeah but Kemper and all the killers they're real and everything that they went through right here that uh Kemper said that he just wanted to see but it felt like to kill his grandma and testified that he killed his grandfather so his grandpa wouldn't have to find out that his wife was dead because he would be angry and he didn't want to upset his grandfather so fuck okay see I thought there was more to it than why the reason why he shot the thinking behind that though the thinking behind it is insane man like no reason he shot his grandmother at the age of 15 they got into an argument over him shooting birds okay he shoots with the rifle damn straight I'd be fucking him up to the machine no birds he barely got mad and was like I'll show you what I shoot with the rifle and just went and got and shot her in the head and then stabbed her several times afterwards after she was already dead see he had a lot of issues with women you know what I mean so there had to be something that made him snap at that point but the other thing that I always thought was super interesting about him is the way he turned himself in because he went on the run and then basically just decided I'm sick and tired of this and went and turned himself in and then is like a model citizen in prison and as will tell people no I should not be paroled I should not be let out because I'll just keep doing this so he's aware you know it's like that question like are people who are crazy aware that they're crazy but like Ed Kemper is aware that if he gets let out of prison he's just going to keep killing people you know what I mean that's what demons are in him right so it's kind of crazy at the same time like to know that like I'm going to go out and keep murdering people so I'm just going to be here and this is my life and I'm totally chill with it and you know no I don't want to be paroled I don't want to be out in the middle of society anymore I don't know something really kind of creepy but fascinating at the same time I'll say this he was friends with cops right of course he would go to a bar where a lot of cops would hang out that's right he would befriend them and they would just have great conversations and they thought man this guy is really interesting and then when he turned himself in and they realized who it was the entire time they were just mind blown blew them away literally guys genius I mean yeah getting close with them and they'll never stay coming yeah yeah no so David what what made you want to start like down the rabbit hole because I like I like what you do it's there's a lot to it it's not just like super natural you know what I mean there's a lot of elements elements to it you know it's just like obviously like looking behind you you have a fascination with this stuff you know but like where like where did this start for you as a kid did you have a bunch of stuff you had a kid did you have a bunch of experiences or were you just genuinely curious I did I had a since I was about a year and a half I had an experience my parents had moved into this house in Corpus Christi Texas on Casper Street of all ironic fucking streets and this house my dad was actually looking for a place to rent before they moved into the house that they were having built and so he was a mailman so he was doing the route on the street he saw there was one for rent and he was asking the neighbor hey you think this is good to rent for a while you think it's all right and the guy told him to do whatever you do do not rent this house there was a gypsy that lived in this house she put a curse on me you know she tried to get her daughters with my son listen don't do it dude ever since I've known this lady I lost my job I've lost my wife I'm about to lose my house don't move in there and my dad was like yeah right now I'm moving in I'm moving in I don't give a fuck I need a place to stay for a year so fuck do you know what I deal with as a mailman dog literally yeah so apparently this this gypsy was a like a dark dark witch type of lady she could do curses and all this apparently she had buried some stuff in the front yard in four corners and so weird my mom would tell me in my bedroom while I was trying to go to sleep they would be awakened by me screaming my head off at one end of the bed looking at the other end at something that I can only see they couldn't see and my dad would be like hey man he's got to get used to that he's bleeding in there but my mom would be like no no he's got to sleep with us or something not right about this house yeah nightmares are fine you he'll be fine yeah exactly yeah well my dad he's a Vietnam veteran and so he you know he he had some obviously had some very serious PTSD at the time because he had just came back and he would drink heavily I'm just gonna say it you know he was a heavy drinker he would he remembers coming home one night pretty late and he was walking up to the door and there's a tree kind of near the house and he heard like someone whistle and so when he looked to see what was whistling he saw a lady like a full grown lady in a tree whistling and dude he tells my dad is a guy who does not believe in anything he doesn't believe in ghosts he doesn't believe in aliens I like to watch those movies for him to say that he saw a lady in a tree whistling at him doing this business yeah he's not he don't fuck around with this stuff man he's not that's like he just told me he saw something that would be like the same thing to me that's weird I get that I totally understand that's what my dad is he does not like that stuff for him to say that I was like okay well he he saw something freaking witch in the tree okay great but he went around the other way went into the house it changed him you know yeah and ever since then I mean he started on a fish that's under his pants no we moved out of that house because they were going to get divorced if they stayed in that house right so the next house we lived near the the naval base pretty close and I started this fascination with aliens man it was my favorite thing I would watch reruns of Project Blue Book yeah I definitely want to see one you know we would always have jets flying around at night and I would always think and it would freak me out but yeah that's basically where it comes from I mean since I was a kid yeah fascinated with it I've always had the first thing was what do you mean Zach did this you never seen this the aliens guy you never seen it I'll find out I got you I got you yeah I know you're talking about from the history channel yeah I got you with it like the history channel I'm not going to understand that reverence what do you know I'm not 75 what course I watch the history channel Jesus Christ it's okay I can't think of the reason why well I can't also can't think of a reason why Canada would need a history channel so it's true something going on up there the majority of my television experience has been here I didn't understand like do I want to relax and zone out of reality you know it would be great to watch the history channel like right right now it's okay the first one here in America's hat the history channel by day is like actual history but the history channel by night it's all about the aliens I've seen that meme yes I think I think Zach you know at first it's just kind of awkward we're like what's going on I was just thinking like really excited it was like on the wing or something yeah it made sense of it the guy looks like he got slimed by an alien just kind of you know did that is it no so my whole life as well David weird weird things even like my mom is what's that Claire audience right so she can hear stuff she has like kind of our whole existence we've always had you know that that sort of relationship but one of the things that you said that maybe think of an experience we had when I was living in England and I think I've said this on the podcast before but I'll just tell it again for you guys is my family moved to England my mom really really wanted to get a house on the economy and we ended up going and talking to this couple they're an American couple and I noticed when we were walking around the house that there were all the there were these like Saint Benedict or Saint Michael coins sitting in all the windows and so I just asked I said hey what's up with all the coins knowing right you know this is like some sort of protection thing and the lady looks me I remember her name is April and she goes well we just had the house blessed because we were having some things going on you know I you know so I looked at my mom because her and I are kind of kind of like that and I was like surely this is not the house we're about to live in because I'm not trying to move into a house I just had to be blessed because of some evil shit that just happened but that's exactly what happened is we moved into this house okay and so the first day we move in I'd already graduate this is a year after I graduated high school my parents let me live with them for a year because I found out they're moving England and wanted to go and my mom and I are unpacking boxes in the kitchen and then we hear something walking up the stairs no one else is home but her and I my brother and sister at school my dad's a work the dog is in quarantine all this shit and we walk out into the foyer and just listen to something go up the stairs and that happened all the time the footsteps but I had probably the most creepy experiences of my life in that house in that one year I saw a black shadows I had the most sleep paralysis I ever had in my life in that house one of the experiences I have with the sleep paralysis I actually woke up and was hearing like radio static sound like an AM radio station and I heard this super loud crashing noise and the first thought I have was somebody had just kicked down the front door and in England a lot of houses don't have doorknobs they just have a lock that spring loaded when you unlock the door it kicks the door open it's just some stupid thing about how there used to be a doorknob tax in England so I say that to say that when you walk into the house there's another door there's like a small mud room and that door on the inside of the house leading into the foyer has a handle right and I heard this loud crash and I tried to like get up to get out of my room and look over the top of the stairs and to see if somebody was coming into the house but I realized I couldn't move because I had sleep paralysis going on I even remember thinking what a fucking great goddamn time to have sleep paralysis right and right and then I heard another crash like it sounded like another huge like somebody kicked down the next door and I remember thinking that's really weird because in my brain like I processed that there's a handle there's no lock why kick the second door down you know and anyway I was able to eventually get up but not before I had this immense like feeling of fear that wasn't from somebody breaking into the house right? I felt like somebody was standing over me it felt like this was like a heavy presence right and when it stopped the radio static stopped there was like it sounded like somebody was talking through the radio static at me it all stopped and it was dead quiet I got up out of bed everything was as it should be you know whatever time in the wee hours in the morning it was and I did not go to bed like I went to bed with the light on and didn't fall asleep right because it was just terrifying but I had probably a dozen experiences similar to that the time that I lived there and then my brother and sister and my mom and dad lived there for the next couple of years and they all had weird experiences like that but I actually ran into April when I worked at the gas station on base and I asked her I was like what the fuck happened at this house because the shit happens to us like whatever you guys did did not work right and she said essentially the first thing that started happening was similar to you David where her son who was a toddler started having these terrifying experiences at night and he was telling her that an old woman was watching her in the corner of his room she just kind of took it as him like lucid dreaming essentially and it was also around about the time and if you have kids you know like they start having night terrors and all the shit and but she said when she knew that something legitimate was going on was one day she went to leave the house she walked over to it like bent over to pick something up and when she stood back up there was an old woman looking at her like through the glass window and like I said there's no doorknob on the front door right but she ripped the door open really quickly thinking somebody had walked in and there was no one in the mud room and it was an old woman just like her kid was talking about and she said that you know like disembodied voices footsteps we had there was some French doors that opened up into the living room those opened on their own sometimes one night I came home from work I went into the kitchen to make food and was walking into the living room to watch TV while I was eating and there were like three shadow figures that were standing in the living room at the back of the living room I literally turned around set my food down on the table and my dad was like up my ass in the morning about why I left a whole glass of milk and like uneaten food on the kitchen table and I was like lasagna it was lasagna did I tell you this story already I saw the story going differently I thought you were going to say that it was like saying things like we and mia more and stuff like that no unfortunately because they're French doors can I ask you what shadows they the dark the shadows you saw where they see through shadows or where they saw it black shadow I think I've asked you this before did I tell this story on your I think you did yeah okay sorry for you know it was a detail that was much shorter yeah so I'll kind of paint the scene for you right so I worked it was around midnight ish when I came home so I didn't turn a bunch of lights on I had put a DVD and the dvd player and then it was sitting on like the the home screen right money for me to hit play so there was some light coming from the TV and I was the only light that was eliminating the living room and so when I walked in I could see it was already kind of dim right but there were three shadows and they were as black as black like an advanced black right if you're familiar with the term advanced right I could not see through them they appeared as solid that's how dark and I could not make out limbs or anything but there was a head and shoulders and then a form you know I mean that went down and I had a lot of conversations in fact one of the people we had on 305 pair normal which is just a fantastic episode we're talking to her about it and I think that they are an interdimensional thing truly I see you have the hat man in the back and I know we talked about that when I was on the episode with you yeah but when we had Chuck Zukowski on who he's an investigator he does the cattle mutilation investigations he was telling Zach and I about how he was practicing astral traveling and he was trying he was doing these like practices that he had learned his meditations like in his bed and trying to like basically almost like like bodybuilding like getting to the point where he could do it right exercising that that brain muscle and he said that he had this vision of the hat man standing in his doorway and had the impression that it was like essentially warning him as like a like a threatening guardian like you need to fucking stop and he said it's it terrified the hell out of him and thankfully and you know knock on wood I have never ever experienced the hat man but I know a lot of people or I've seen a lot of people who have and have met a few people who have and I have I do have a friend who I served with who was practicing astral traveling and doing a I don't know what it's called for you trying to like do something with a mirror. Yeah he was using a mirror as well. No but he had several experiences with the hat man and I could tell you one of the stories he told me it was actually really really creepy but yeah the hat man and like shadow figures to me I think they they're sort of like of the same cloth. Does that make sense? I don't know what do you think? No for sure I believe them to be interdimensional beings. Now if it's a shadow where you can see through it that's something completely different. Do you think that's a spirit? That yes I think that's a spirit now the the hat man and these shadow people they're more of interdimensional and yeah by the way 305 good friends of ours. We love Jen and they're awesome. Yes, yes. But yeah you don't want to visit from the hat man he's kind of similar to the moth man in that if you see him it's like a harbinger a bad omen yes he's let he's warning you basically something bad is going to happen. So you don't want to see that dude but I know his name is Brian Bowden I don't know if you guys have heard of him. The name sounds super familiar. Yeah well he is his basically his theory is they they use fear as fuel for them. So when they show themselves I don't know if you've ever seen any videos of these things they're freaking dark is freaking dark is I've seen a few videos but the ones that I saw in England were extremely dark. Right and they are trying to scare you you have all dude. I'll see let me see if I can find it real quick I will text it to Zach so when I lived in Germany I'm a good friend of mine I really want her to come on the podcast. Email me and then okay I will Cheyenne if you hear this you need to come on. But anyway I was taking out the trash one night and I had like so my house in Germany I went through a lot I'll say this of dark shit in Germany I'll say to use exact exact if I'm looking for trying to talk at the same time I'll lose my train of thought. And I had a few like really negative experiences essentially and one night I took the trash out the trash cans outside of my like duplex I lived in Germany. And I went to go walk down the steps to go behind the building and there was just this black mass like right in the middle of the trash pad essentially. And I stood there you know kind of under the light of the the the light outside in the driveway and I just looked at it and I'm going to find that picture now because it was it was extremely creepy and dark and I took a picture and say a lot of people see the hat man after they take Ben and drill like if they take a lot of Ben and drill. Personal experience with that and I've not seen the hat man but I've seen the spider which a lot of other people have seen so that leads me to believe that there really is something out there that you can tap into. Yeah so I looked I looked up like the connection between Ben and drill and the hat man when we were talking about 305 and Ben and drill right it's used for. Like an allergic reaction or something like you're supposed to like the anti histamine yeah and a histamine but if you take too much it can make your. It just makes it so like you're like a camera is under the call but they're called like the synapse or whatever in your brain they don't send as much data. And the idea is that which makes you really tired and then you just go to sleep the idea is that it's in a way making you transcend like you are astro projecting without a little bit. And it allows these things to come to you or for you to be visited by him because you're so without even knowing it you're your brain is not as active and it's leaving this world because you took too much of this medicine. There's other hallucinogens that your brain is not leaving the world it's your thoughts. You want to call it your mind, which I kind of think your mind and your spirit of the same thing. I kind of feel like it's something that's like your aura. Those are all the same things or a spirit mind. They always say matter can't be created nor destroyed. And like when you die like I do believe that we have like I can't find it like an aura that has to go somewhere. Your physical body is going to die but like your personality you as like an entity like you still your thoughts. Like there's so many things that are they can't just dissolve away they got to go somewhere so. So I had it I actually once I meditated I was trying to meditate I was learning to meditate my twenties. And I could never get it right until this one day I finally did something I don't even know what I did. I felt myself kind of float above myself and I could see the top of my head like the back and top of my head. And I was like oh fuck that's me you know and that's weird. The one thought I had it was it's which I could not explain at the time I didn't understand it. It was like fuck yeah fuck you and your fucking problems I'm out of here and I started to float away I was happy I was so happy man. I was the happiest I had ever felt in my entire life. And before I knew it I was right back in my body. And I was like what the fuck happened. You couldn't control it. What happened. What happened and I was like I couldn't get it back to you. You were going to die probably that was your soul like leaving your body dude. My soul was tired of my body my soul hates my body that's what I'm saying it hates me. And I don't blame you. A lot of people who have died like they have to get like resuscitated or whatever. Your death experiences. Yeah. A lot of them that if they remember anything like in that little in between time they say that like they feel like they're floating in like a void and it's like a tunnel. And they can go back to their body or like back to what they know or there's like another like route they can take. And everyone that's come back said they went back to what they knew like they went back to what felt familiar. And they called the source. Yeah. So like they you were probably kind of doing that yourself you didn't realize you're like leaving. It's a good thing you went back because like brand was saying you know if you went too far you're probably going to die. You know what makes me that makes me think about David is like the when people think about your soul. I feel like a lot of us think of it as like this pure thing right your soul is just like your pure energy. But just hearing you talk about how you are aware that it was happy to leave your worldly troubles behind. Almost sort of reinforces that idea that we're here to learn lessons. And that perhaps your soul itself is like almost like a kid like thank God I don't have to fucking you know go to football practice anymore. Or thank God I'll have to fucking you know do this right yeah because you're you're sick and tired of the struggle. You know what I mean that your soul maybe isn't you know this like pure all knowing energy right that it really is just here. And you were heading back to the source of the waiting room to to you know I mean like maybe I don't know that's what I mean back in the Matrix. Right here Amanda's story. Yeah that's about the same before we get too far. I was like trying to get a word in it you guys were not led to me. I was like I just wanted to let this talk. You just got to speak up. I know this is like that you know it's it's an American thing. You got this. You I'm Canadian so polite sign. No I just wanted to say as probably the only person here with experience with Benadryl I made lots of bad choices in my 20s and I have taken Benadryl recreationally like dozens of times so I have personal experience. I in my experience it does not make it makes you fall asleep if you take like 100 milligrams 200 milligrams if you take like 700 milligrams not advising this just saying. For a person my size you trip bowls for hours and what is that like. Have you ever taken mushrooms and do they compare does it compare. Mushrooms didn't do anything to me I didn't I tried them and they did nothing my friend was like talking to townspeople in my carpet but for me they did nothing so I was completely stone sober the whole time it was fine but. Benadryl was interesting in that it's reliable you can like count on what you see so like my very first hallucination with Benadryl was my at the time boyfriend had dosed me and he was big into that. And so that's how I got wrapped up into it and he gave me 850 milligrams my very first go and about half hour in his skin melted off his face like polter. Yeah that's terrifying oh you probably can yeah but. And you do eventually vomit because your body recognizes that you're essentially overdosing so at some point into your trip you do throw up sometimes Peter pants just you know who's to say but I'm just saying it happens like. You're in trouble you're in trouble you know but. It was always reliable in that there's certain creatures that you always see in your trip that are the same and one of them I actually looked up as a common phenomenon though I've never seen happen to my recollection but there's a Benadryl spider and it looks like a daddy long way but it's legs are all wiki walking in different directions and it like staz's when it walks and I'm not I've seen my friends who have done it have seen it yeah like it like makes little weird like the way it moves it doesn't walk like a spider it walks like all of its legs are broken and it like scurries kind of and at first it's scary but once you get used to it like a little bit bigger than a daddy long leg. It's not like taking up the room kind of thing okay no it's like a feasible spider and that's why it folks with you because you're you don't know like I know when it's starting I'm like. I can tell that I'm hallucinating but I don't know if that's real or not I don't know if I'm hallucinating that or if that's a real spider so first you get scared and you try to get away from it. But then in time you like get used to it being there and you actually kind of look forward to it because it's always there and it's like a reliable thing that I would always see and my friends that would do the same stuff they would see this too. So did you guys see the same spider were you experiencing the same spider or were you all seeing a different spider but look the same. We didn't really ever do that at the same time we always have one person do it and like other would trip sit or we'd have it because after you like the first probably an hour or so of your trip like you can remember and kind of see what's going on and you can interact with what you're seeing so you're hallucinating but you're in your head. After a certain point at least the doses that I would take I would get bit I would remember bits and pieces through the night. For example this one night the first night my first hallucination was my boyfriend sitting beside me his skin melted off his bones like that guy and older guys and that freaked me out with my first hallucination so I got scared. He's like calm down calm down calm down so as I got through it or whatever I did I went and I was sick and vomited because my body was like oh shit what's this and then when I came back. I don't really remember much apparently I was like my phone was sitting on the table and I picked up it was like a flip phone and I walked over picked up my phone but I didn't actually touch my phone I just picked up the air opened it sent a text on nothing closed it and set it right back down where my phone wasn't just kept walking and they're like. Okay I would answer to my name I only answered to Courtney. Which was I want me yeah I only answered to Courtney for some reason and like people had to actively keep me occupied so they were like sitting me in the bedroom like just keep her occupied and I was in there like throwing ties and blankets around from my friends closet like just being. I don't even remember and then the cops came at some point because they're like someone complained about the noise because we're partying in an apartment. And the cops showed up and I walked up to the door when the cops counted on the door and I was walking like feeling the door looking for a knob and my friends are like get her the fuck out of here. She can not answer the door. And so I remember bits and pieces I punched my friend that night and I only remember that because right after we were in the bathroom and I punched her and I looked in the mirror and made eye contact with myself and for that brief second I was sober. And I was like oh my god Tiffany I'm so sorry and then I looked away and I was right back in so I don't know what that's about either but I remember that like that's the only prominent part that stands out that I'm like I remember hitting you because I looked in the mirror and made eye contact with my reflection and whatever stormy in the mirror was in you. I'm not saying that I'm just saying it was weird because that's the only part that I remember crystal clear was making eye contact with my reflection in the mirror. I knew exactly where I was. I never looked in a mirror again because it freaked me out so I never yeah I stayed away from mirrors for the most part but yeah I never went to sleep on it you definitely like in your head you're seeing shit but walking around you're mumbling and walking into shit and like bringing your hairbrush to your friend like here pet it's a hamster and just being like really fucking weird so I don't advise doing it but in my experience I never went to sleep. However, I do have an interesting story about my ex who did Cora Seedan which is like Dextrumeth Orphan like cough syrup I never fuck with that stuff because for me I just like would sleep for 12 hours but it made them like hallucinate and so he took it one day and we are inside I was playing games on my Xbox and he was beside me on like a kitchen chair and the way my apartment was set up as soon as you open the door there's like a flight upstairs there's like literally barely an entrance and then a flight upstairs and then the living room so in his trip he was smoking a cigarette which he really was smoking a cigarette in reality and the chair started like acting like it was on a conveyor belt and it brought him all the way downstairs out the front door and outside into the parking lot and was like moving him into the parking lot he dropped his cigarette it zoomed him back up into the living room and then he snapped up and was like I just dropped my cigarette and we tore the fucking house apart and we could not find it I'm not going outside to see if it's out there because that would freak me the fuck out but his he really had a cigarette and it was gone and he was like I swear I just tripped that I went outside and dropped it that's crazy I did look up how much Benadryl you'd have to take to overdose 3,500 milligrams usually for humans a lot but they're saying you'll probably go to a coma before you get to 3,500 and apparently the most Benadryl that has ever been recorded taken was by a 14 year old girl and it was 7,500 milligrams do you know what she said? she died yeah oh yeah she died within like an hour of taking it why? it makes sense dude Jesus so the spider thing I actually had not heard of but I have heard of people having the same experience with the same entities the ayahuasca people who have done that before if you guys are familiar with ayahuasca they have sort of the same experiences as well and there's a guy who does art from what his trips show him essentially and there's people that are like holy shit you know that's what I see this is what I see this is what I experience but it just makes me think that like they're you are this isn't just a random shared experience that you actually are experiencing something that's sitting sort of on the other side of the veil that is I don't know that's actually real what I mean I want to do it because I've taken mushrooms before I've never had an experience like that with like seeing something you know like a spider or an entity or anything like that I think that man can I ask you about that spider again real quick yeah because when you were describing the legs it made me think of what's his name damn it the artist Salvador Dolly or Dolly yeah they've never seen the elephant legs yeah and there's like horse legs they're like that kind of weird long no they just like daddy long legs like have they just like kind of sticks but they were all like broken and weird looking that's awesome and I was like 20 or 21 when I dabbled in that shit so anyone listening out I'm 35 and I've wised up so I'm not like toting that anyone should do this it was stupid but I was a kid and easily influenced but I did do acid one time in Zach you'd be interested I had a whole trip conversation with Mr. Clean who wanted me to tell the world that he wasn't bold he was mean though legitimately yeah legitimately was he Scottish yeah no there was like a cleaning product with Mr. Clean on it and I did acid beside it and I tripped that I had like a whole conversation everyone else was partying and I was talking to fucking Mr. Clean over in the corner that's awesome I meant to bring that up last time when we were having our Mr. Clean conversation guys ever seen this before? No he's terrifying I have seen this but I have not seen it in my dream I've never seen my dream either but this is an interesting thing from 2006 where there were a lot of people I guess were dreaming this person and they were like have you ever seen this and then there was like thousands of people were like yeah I've seen this right dream which is kind of weird and then there was another thing I see if I can find it it was like some dream survey I guess if I can find it that was actually a hoax that was a hoax so they're a company basically there was came up with the idea there was a hoax off of a real thing so there was like a small thing but the website was a hoax so like there was a real thing which was a couple thousand and then the company was like oh let's use this for marketing so then they took it and they turned it to marketing hoax so they based that that whole thing on a movie with Nicholas Cage called Dream Scenario and that recently came out it wasn't the best it was just like kind of underwhelming for an 824 movie I expected better I haven't seen it David earlier you were talking about Hatman and Mothman like being Harbinger's so you're you're probably familiar with injured cold then I don't think so okay so there was a guy's name is Woodrow Daren Darenberger he's I want to say he's like the first person to have an experience with injured cold and injured essentially is he seems the way he's described kind of like a guardian or somebody who's going after Mothman in this scenario right me I don't want to miss speak too much because he also is a shared experience he's the grinning man if you've ever heard yes I know the grinning man okay so we've done a few videos on him so essentially I'm going to pull this up because I do not want to want to fuck this up so says Woodrow Darenberger mysterious encounter with almost human grinning man on the back roads of West Virginia in November of 1966 so essentially he said the spaceship landed and injured walked out of the spaceship and that it wasn't this like futuristic looking you know flying saucer or anything like that it was actually really rickety almost extreme punk style you know spaceship essentially but that this guy injured cold is somebody that everybody a lot of people have experienced at different places and that he's like an anter dimensional hunter essentially just kind of curious if you'd ever heard of him but his is his you know legend and lore is super interesting to me but yeah no injured cold ruined Woodrow's life basically everybody caught him a liar he lost his job he wrote a book about it and was interviewed like on live television it cost him a lot right and he stuck with his story his entire life and John keel the guy who wrote Mothman or whatever he is he interviewed Woodrow as well about injured cold but other people have experienced it they say they've experienced injured cold and he is sort of this like interdimensional hunter essentially is kind of how he is described but he basically pulled Woodrow over in his spaceship in his car and this is the story that he said and that he had this unearthly like grin on his face the whole time there's sort of like uncanny valley ish where he looked human but not human and when he's described it always makes me think of what's the bad guy from courage to cowardly dog you know what I'm talking about like the grandpa not the grandpa but like he was pretty bad courage he was but the dude who in one of the episodes he shows up in the middle of the night and he is smiling like constantly I want to even say that the his that character was inspired by injured cold I'll before I keep rambling and try a piece of this shit together I'll come back to it but Zach you said you had something about a dream he's a lot of like coincidence that are happening in our podcast so far in this episode but this week I watched like a 40 minute like investigate a documentary on YouTube by by a guy called like Lexpro he does a lot of good investigation and stuff and he was trying to figure out this so this was going around there was a thing on in California and it was like have you been having strange dreams the willamette valley dream surveys investigating a recent spike in bizarre unexplainable dreams if you have been experiencing any of your dream activity you can help by reporting a summary you call the number and then you could get because the voicemail after they say leave a description of your dream as of that video where the guy to the documentary is like two weeks old this number still works if you call them it'll still say like tell us your dream so you can tell them your dream and then if your dream is like weird enough I guess or if they like it they'll call you back at like three in the morning and ask you about your dream and he couldn't figure out like who they were or what they were doing my man is calling a number is still working right now he says use your busy while I was part of the dream right now the number is like yo you want my dream or not yeah there's nothing but strange dreams he was trying to figure this out and there was like a link to like a payphone company and there is a payphone company that on certain payphones in like a rant I can't remember the city but in a random city in the United States has like a certain like payphone company is still in service and the payphone company we click on operator and then it'll have like a bunch of options and one of them is to contact the dream survey so it's like really weird and like there's a lot of interesting there's a lot of stuff into it so maybe I'll send Brandon the link to the video I watched so maybe you can like link it on our page or whatever but it's interesting thing he couldn't solve it he still had no idea what this was or what it meant but it's just like a weird thing where they just want to hear your dreams so it's like a dream vlog so they love me because I got the weird I like dream about waking up on Walmart shelves next to my belongings like it's weird I have some weird dreams did I wish I were joking about that one but that's a real one David you were mentioning sleep paralysis and I had a serious issue with that in my 20s it was like it happened often way too much and I would go and try to talk to people and see if they can help me no one really could help me and so I don't like to talk about certain subjects because you know people have real experiences with this and to me I was able to find that for me personally I could prove that they were dreams and they were not actually like I was not awake because everyone says they're awake everyone says that they know there's something on top of them or there's dark or whatnot but I started to look around once I would be in the state to make sure I was either a sleeper wake and one thing that I would constantly notice is that I was trying to open your eyes while you were in sleep process okay I just couldn't scream I was trying to scream I couldn't make a sound you know I tried to do that and that story was about England I tried to yell to like wake my dad up but I couldn't and I was like fuck anyway yeah I remember I was I was married at the time and my wife I was trying to scream for her to wake me up and when I was making the sound it would make it was very very very light but she heard it and she woke me up one day or one night and I was like oh God you got me out of that dream about falling all the time but not in a very long time but I have had that feeling where like you do you feel like you've hit your bed that's when you're like half asleep where like you're you recognize the feeling of falling and you know if you open your eyes you can pull yourself out of it like you ever have that because I get that all the time I have had that isn't it called like the hypnagogic jerk when you do that yeah babies do it a lot like they do send it should be asleep and if you like that's my daughter if you hit like her foot or like move her arm she thinks she's falling so she goes like yeah well don't hit her feet Zach God I can tell my sleep paralysis when I would open my eyes I would look around the room and notice something that was that couldn't possibly be real for example I know that the door to my bedroom is on this wall but when I was in sleep paralysis I'd open my eyes and look and the door was on this wall and I said wait that's not right was where things just mirrored or was like the room different no no the room was different but it was like you see one door on this wall and then you'd look it's not there anymore it's actually on this wall or like in another dream it was in the opposite end of the room where there's no way there's a door there because that goes outside so what the fuck is going on and I realized that I was dreaming so after I started to do that open my eyes and when I was having these issues they slowly went away and I haven't had one in decades I had a lot of sleep paralysis too when I was in my 20s that was probably the majority of it right like I said you know I lived in that house in England I was like 19-ish but my early 20s it had it a lot and when I was in high school I actually had my girlfriend I was standing at the time her parents must have just been super cool because her house well her bedroom was not actually a part of the house it was connected but there was a wall so you had to go outside of the house to get into her room it was like a mother-in-law suite had a bathroom and all that stuff but her parents were cool with me going over there and I actually spent the night a few times and but that was actually the the first time I had like a truly creepy experience with sleep paralysis I heard my name and it sounded like her door opened and then it sounded like somebody said my name next to my head and that's the first time I ever had like really yes just like that and um but I had it I think I've I couldn't even tell you the last time I had it it has been maybe maybe a couple years but I know what's going on now and I recognize it for what it is and I'm instead of panicking you almost feel more trapped in it I think when you start panicking about what's going on so I I calm myself down by like talking myself through it and I'll either wake up out of it or I'll just fall back to sleep but one time I've had sleep paralysis and in 99.99% of the time I've had sleep paralysis I have been on sleep paralysis I have been on my back hmm and one time I had it laying on my stomach and in the process of sleep well I was just yeah and it is the process of sleeping like my head must have come and come off my pillow right and so I remember having this feeling like dude sometimes that's me I had this feeling in my head in my neck that if I didn't wake and I know that sounds weird to say I had this feeling in like my head in my neck it was like this pressure but I remember almost like I was being warned that if I did not wake up out of this I was just going to fucking die wow and so I remember like struggling no because my head was on its side I wasn't like face down in the sheets I had my like my head was turned but I struggled for however long like couple couple seconds maybe to like turn my head the other way and when I did that dude all of this like anxiety panic and pressure just completely left my body I was freaked out because I was like what the fuck was just going on and I just like turned over and like laid there you know what I mean um was your mouth open when that happened was my mouth open when I was experiencing the you were like frozen in place I couldn't even I couldn't even tell you because I literally just remember even in there like yeah no yep just getting yep no maybe Jonah Hill that's what happens when you that's what yeah that's what happens when you yawned a ghost sticks his dick in your mouth I mean it makes sense to keep you still if you can't have him waking up and biting down so yeah yeah no I don't know man maybe I maybe I got face fucked I have no idea but I'm never I do I did yeah that's enough of this a serial blowjob you know I say that you know I don't like to jump on anyone else's experience because to me your experience sounds very valid and real and it makes a lot of sense to me but to me when it happened to me I could tell it was a dream I finally figured in my own experience I was like I'm fucking dreaming man that's what's happening to me so I was able to break out of that it's just really interesting to me because other people have serious real experiences when it comes to this and it's really like they really see things they really feel things you know especially when they're laying on their stomach and so that's what I never had a sleep paralysis but lucky so I don't I don't move when I sleep my my wife says I actually kind of look like I'm like in a coffin because I apparently sleep like this and I was actually borny demons hate that and I'm right and I don't move it keeps it wrapped up you know but it's like I keep it all looked up to you there's what I'm saying I don't move is one of my biggest fears is because it's happened to me several times in my life is like becoming like my arm like losing too much circulation or one of my limbs is too much circulation to where it like falls off because like if you if you like had a tourniquet on your arm for like days like your arm is going to be decrepit like decrepit and it's going to fall off like it's dead like you can't like fix it anymore yeah well I've had times where I have woken up and a limb of mine will be paralyzed like not my whole body and it's not one yes and it's not a positional stop a man it's not a positional thing because I remember I brought it up and I got a permanently disabled appendage but I remember I brought it up to my dad when I was little when I happened once and my dad was like well you probably were like sleeping with your arm up or something and you just like cut off circulation for a little bit and I was going to do it and I was like no because I always sleep on my back and I don't move and it got confirmed pretty much like my wife's like yeah you never moved like every night you sleep the same position you don't move at all and it's it would still happen and so I'll be sleeping perfectly still on my back like I'm in a coffin or and I will still randomly wake up on my back and my leg left arm like I can't move it. Oh it doesn't move. Does she is is she like wake you up here. Does she wake you up at all to see if you're okay if you're alive. No she doesn't but like she'll be all right. What's that? She wants to ask you a lie. She's like life insurance money. Yeah that's fine. That is. That's just a lie. But it's really weird because like it freaks me out because I wake up and I had a couple of times I wake up like real freaked out and I start like I'll like grab my arm. It's not moving with my other arm and I'll be like flailing around like move move move like come on. And it doesn't it doesn't come back like if you do because I've had a ton of your pinches and it kind of comes back all like like kind of static feeling I'll explain it but it comes back kind of like tailing right. It doesn't do it that way it just randomly boom it works again. So I don't know what that is. Dude your arm is being taken over to jerk off a ghost bro that's what's happening. That's what it is. Is that what's going on? Right. But he never moves so it's the ghost is doing all the moving right. That's what's going on. That's what I'm saying. It's not blow jobs, blue jobs, you know what I'm saying. Like, yeah, that's what's going on. Do you have any back issues Zach. My chance. Any back issues. I mean, my ex wife she had like an issue with her. With her leg. And it was because of us like a slip disc. And she had to get surgery for that and once they took care of the, they had to cut this basically, she was fine. I've thought of that because I've also destroyed my, like I wish you had that video to put up man. I destroyed this and everything. I have surgery and I do have like nerve damage in my left hand. But it happens to my right arm. It happens to my legs, which is your dominant arm, right? My right arm is my dominant arm. Whatever. No. So, so going back to what you're saying, David, the majority of the sleep paralysis that I've had. I've known that it's like that natural that happens because your body like shuts off so you don't get out of bed. No, I shit when you're dreaming, right? And I know that that's what it is. You know, I always kind of, when I recognize that it's happening, I'm like, fuck and it's more like annoying than anything. But those times that it happened to me in England, those weren't like that. This wasn't, I was just dreaming and, or like I was asleep and then I just recognized that I couldn't, you know, my body hadn't caught up with my brain, so to speak. This was something totally different. And I mean, I've read a lot, like people's opinions on what it is. Like, I've seen like, oh, something was trying to take over your body, or like, you know, your body, you know, was your soul had left and was trying to come back. And that's what was attracting these things to you. Personally, I genuinely think that whatever was was in that house was attracted to me for some reason. I don't know why, because I didn't even stay in the room that the little boy that I was saying his room was actually my brother's room in that house when we moved it. And so I really don't know why. I don't know if maybe I'm just more sensitive than like my brother and sister. My sister's fairly sensitive. But I don't know. I just know that there's a difference. I can tell that like, okay, this is the natural, like I'm just experiencing sleep paralysis. Those in no way shape or form were related, like it wasn't just me dreaming and experiencing that. That's really cool. That's really cool because there is something going on in the house. No doubt about that. There's something going on in the house. That could play into what you were experiencing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. And no matter where I've lived, something has always happened or been weird, even when I was in the barracks when I was in Airmen, I had weird shit happen to me in my room one time. Dude, I so I click guitar. I went to take a league. I set my guitar down. I had a bed, a single twin bed, and it was pretty high up. I had a couple different dressers like like pushed in underneath it just to give myself some more space and I had a futon couch bed. And I was sitting there. I was playing guitar. I got up. I lean the guitar against the bed and the dresser that was underneath it. I went and took a leak and came back into my barrister and my guitar instead of sitting on the body with the neck leaning against the bed. It was leaning on the neck with the body against the bed. I mean, it's just, you know, whatever one minute right to go in there, take a leak and come back out. And it's a, you know, think of it like a smaller hotel room. It's not like, you know, no one could have come in there either. I've done that. That happened to me. Somebody was definitely pulling your strings. Oh, wow. I see what you did there. Is that a guitar guitar? Very nice. Japanese. Japanese. Wow. There's another one can imprint like on people and like follow them. Yeah. But the, like the only so much energy. So like if you said you had stuff for a while, like you could have been in Germany and something they're going to imprint it on you. And then you go somewhere else. And it's not instant. Like the spirit only has so much energy. Can't just like go across the world immediately. So that's like ring ketchup to you. That's like take a while to get to you. That's the thing that. Yeah, it could be because the first time I remember something happening to me was when my parents or my dad was stationed at off the Air Force Base in Nebraska and we lived in off base military housing. And honestly, this is, this is kind of like a story of missing time if you're familiar with the concept because where my bed was positioned, I was looking at the window. And I actually remember looking out the window and then I felt like I blinked and when my eyes were opened, the sun was coming through the window. And I was like, what the hell? That's really weird. And I didn't, you know, there was, I didn't, I felt like I slept, but I felt like I missed out on that sleep because it was dark and then it wasn't like the sun was up. It was the daytime and everything. But that house, I had, you know, a couple different like weird experiences. I remember dreaming a few different times of getting up and walking down the hall and going into, there was a closet that had like a really, really deep space in it. You know what I mean? And it was actually, you would go in and then there was like a level up that you could put even more stuff. And I remember having this dream a couple different times where I was get up and go down the hall and open the door to that closet. And I would climb over all of the shit my parents had in there and make my way into the back, like on the second level of the storage and just go to sleep again in my dream. But that never happened. It never woke up in there. And then in Germany, my mom and I actually had a shared experience. We were sitting on, I walked into her bedroom when I and I heard she was watching like a scary documentary. And so I just walked into her room and sat down like on the end of the bed. And it was actually sorry David seen it all dude. But no, she was watching it. And so I, in the process of watching it kind of like sat back on the bed a little bit more and was watching it and the entire bed started like shaking. So like, yeah, it is like my whole life really strange experiences. I've had dreams of like having a very vivid, realistic entire day happen. Like, right, wake up in your dream. Yeah, we're like, so in my dream I have woken up, I go through like my normal routine and a whole like Monday happens. And like all of it. And then I go to sleep. When I wake up, it's Monday again. Is anything from your dream happen in the during the real day. Like most of the day. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's like hardcore deja vu. It happens very randomly. But I've had times where I experienced the whole next day. And then wake up and it's that day. Okay. This is this is true about Zach. Zach has has supernatural powers because I've seen it in front of me multiple times. No, it's true. I'm about to. Yeah. So when Zach and I were to quote when Zach and I were deployed together. Zach legitimately would bless people's ice cream, who were lactose intolerant. And they wouldn't have some and they would not have. And I literally watched this happen like people. I like that. That's his yep. Got milk. We don't got Zach. No, no, but he would. He'd fucking like he'd sit there and like, can you leave me? I did. I would I would bless ice cream. Dude, one of these is second one of Jesus for real. Wouldn't that be something? No, I just. I want to be shipped by lightning all of a sudden. The beard is looking pretty fresh. Yeah, baby. But no, I've seen I've seen Zach do it. I've seen Zach do it. And it actually worked. So you were lactose intolerant. Yeah, it did really throw Brandon for a loop and almost ruined his whole like religious like psyche. I was not as close to converting to Mormonism is Zach at the time would have hoped. But I did think about it for maybe a whole five seconds. You know, like you're like, wait a minute. Yep. You know, I've had similar things to you, except instead of dreaming my whole day, I've dreamt stuff, wrote about my dream and then had like. Pretty specifically the same thing happened within like a day or two, which is kind of like written it down. Yeah, like the one that I have photo evidence of is I had a dream one night. And in like the excerpt that I had wrote about, I said, I got on the plane, but I didn't have any baggage and like everyone on the plane knew that it was going to take off. But it was never going to land. And so like in my dream, the plane took off a couple of times, but it never landed in my dream. And then a couple of days later that fucking airline Malaysian airline went missing. Like within two days it vanished in thin air without ever leaving. So like, that's kind of weird. You know, that's funny is, is I don't know if you, you know this, but there are actually a lot of people who had a dream a day or two prior to that plane going down about that plane and going down. Really? I'm like shared experience. Yes. See what was weird is because there is a lot of people. I've actually, I watched a video about that. It was like people who were like, I have like a photo of my dream log with the date. Let me shoot evidence of it or whatever. Same thing happened. I wonder if you had a lot of people who had dreams of towers falling in New York or like something similar, like days took like a couple of weeks before 9/11 actually happened. It was like a lot of people talking about it and then it happened and then like, what the heck? I had a dream before Desert Storm of US deployments in the desert at night. And there, I see, I could see them running in the desert. You know, weapons ready to go. Like something's about to happen. Like they're about to attack. And it was a month or two months later that Desert Storm happened, which is weird. Is it just one night that you had that dream or was it like an over a period of time? It was one night. And I remember waking up and telling my wife about it and I was like, yeah, this is a craziest. You know, that would be weird, right? Yeah. And then like a month, month and a half later. Boom. Yeah. The dreams I have a whole day. I had one where it was recently when I was still recruiting. And I had like my whole day where I went to the office, I had like appointments, all type of stuff. And then obviously I went to sleep and I woke up and I restarted that day and I was like, what the heck? And I remember like those when I restart the day doing it again, I'm like really confused for like the early morning. I'm like, this I'm sorry. Deja doo deja doo, right? It's like super deja. But I that one really hit me because I remember I was like, well, I have an appointment with this guy, but I've never met him before. So I actually went to the Navy recruiter, my buddy Tobin. And I was like, Hey, I've never met this guy before. I'm going to explain him to you. And then you're going to see him and you're going to confirm that I knew exactly what he looked like before he walked in here because I've never seen it when I talked to him on the phone. Yeah, sure, man, whatever. Dude comes in for his appointment. He looked exactly how I described him, like exactly to the color of the sweatshirt he was wearing, like everything. And then that appointment, because I'd already done it. I was like skipping things, and I was answering his questions before he asked me because I'd already known what he was going to do. So ever happened with like me, like, no, you've had like, no, so my most recent someone is someone's like banging really loud. I don't know. I just, there's a lot in the headset. My bad. Yeah. How about now? My most recent, my most recent like dream thing, where I was like, a whole day was the one I just explained where I was a recruiter. Before that I hadn't had one since, like, before Kenya, like they're really, really, really seldom. Like, then before that was like a couple times in Japan and then like high school, like they're really, really, really random. What do you think that is? Because like, if you, if you look at it from a religious sense and like all of us having free will, then your day should not be predetermined, right? So it, what is it? Are you, are you seeing it in the future? Or is this one of those things like that scene from the Matrix where he goes, when, when Neo goes to see the Oracle and she tells him to look out for the vase or whatever and he turns around and knocks it over and she makes the comment about like, would you have knocked it over if I hadn't have said anything. So you just basically were your own perpetuating reality because you were sort of tipped off about it in a way. Maybe, but like, like I just kind of fested, but like the, in my dream, I didn't tell Tobin, Hey, this guy's going to walk in. He's going to exactly like this. Right. And in my dream, I wasn't answering the questions the kid was going to ask me beforehand. So. You're getting some details, but not every detail. Yeah, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be like, Oh, I'm reliving the day. Exactly. Was it like intense deja vu the whole time? Yes. Like, down to. Like, like little stuff. Like, walking into like a Rite Aid, and it's the exact same people were walking out and I was walking in those in my dream. It's like, what the heck. So like, the way he's experienced the way he's talking about it makes me think of time and the way we think of time is linear rights. It's just from this point to that. Right. But in other dimensions, higher dimensions, time isn't like that. It's not like from one point to one point. It's everywhere. You can basically go to any point. Everything is everything that's ever happened or will happen is happening at the same time. Right. So if you think of it, it's already happened. He's already experienced it. So now he's again, but this time he's like, I remember this. Let me make this point so he's changed it in a sense. Right. It's like he's already been here, but he's going back to that same point in time and he's experiencing it with the knowledge of it. I wonder if it's if it's almost like if you think of it like the frame of a building without like the drywall without the doors without the furniture without the electrical that everything like what he experienced. It's the framework and then you flesh it out. I wonder. Does that make sense? Yes. Like analogizing. Yes. Do you guys ever get deja vu about stuff that's not happened before that you're like shirts never happened via like a super intense feeling of deja vu about it. Like you think it's happened before, but it feels so strong that it feels like like in situations that never could have happened before. Like I'll do that sometimes someone will say something like someone that I've only known for like a few weeks or something will say something. And I'll get the biggest deja vu and I'm like there's no physical way that this could have happened before because I just met this person or whatever the case, but it's so strong. It's like just as strong as when I get deja vu about stuff that has happened. I get it all the time. Well, the one thing I always wonder about with deja vu is when you get it, do you experience a sense of like wonder or do you experience a sense of dread? Either it's just like intense awareness. It's not really dread or wonder or anything. It's just like, wow, why like I definitely been in this moment, that person has said that exact phrase with that exact tone and inflection. And with this other person that's here exactly the same way, but there's no way it could have. And then it's like maybe everything is a fucking simulation because how would you like, why would your brain randomly pick a random moment to be like, yeah, this has happened before. When I get deja vu, it's like everything really slows down. And then like I start hyper focusing on like every little detail because I'm like, well, what else am I about to remember? Or what else do we try to like continue the feeling. Yeah. Because I do have those days where I'm just like, what the heck? So when I get a small one, I'm like, have I had this day already? That must be the weirdest feeling, man. All day long. I've never heard of that before. That's amazing. I've never had a day like that. The second days are so long because I've already done it. So like to me, I'm like, oh my god. You know, that makes total sense because you've already done it. It's like, yeah, freaking long. Because dreaming is dreaming is a whole different animal, right? You're not. It's like you're gliding straight through this dream. And you know, well, and it's faster too. You can dream. It feels like five hours and like 45 minutes. Plus, you have several dreams at night. I don't know if you guys know that, but you can have up to like five dreams a night. And it's just one of the touch a little bit on like the free will idea when when I was a very religious, one of my bishops, because I brought it up to him. I was like, well, if everything's like predetermined and God knows everything, then how do I have the choice to like choose things. If it's like how does free will exist? If God already knows, how did he get free will if he knows what we're going to do? Yeah. Yep. And the way he explains me, and it's kind of maybe going to like how what you were saying about like time all the time, David, or like different dimensions and stuff, is that he explained it that he said, think of God as like he's up in a hot air balloon, like way above you. And you're on a route with several turnoffs. God can see every possible turn off you can take at any given time, which can alter your life path or whatever's going on. But he can't influence you to we can't make you take the turn off he wants. And so he knows every outcome you could ever do for any decision forever. And he knows where they all lead. And if you're like praying to God and you're close to your heavenly father, then he can guide you to the one that's best. But you can actively say no, or not pray to God or not pay attention and go down all the routes that suck, or you can still go down the best route and not even know it. And that's that's how he explained it is God can see every route for everyone at all times. But he doesn't force you down a route you still choose it. That makes sense sort of like he's just seeing because he's was it omniscient, right. He sees all the outcomes because he understands the like the framework how it's all going to work out. But you are choosing and it's just kind of like a domino effect so to speak of what's going to happen. It's not you. Yeah. So you're technically faded to do an infinite amount of things because you could take you could take an infinite amount of routes. Well, how about this? How about this? You do take every single route. But you take every single possible route, except when you do, you branch out into a different universe. Another route opens up. Yeah, because there's another university that took that route and that's where the infinite idea comes is that every time every decision you've ever made, all of us starts another. Starts another branch to where you didn't make that decision right for all of us that's always happening. So like every time we ever any thing ever makes a decision another dimension is created to fulfill that decisions outcome. So you mean that tell me that somewhere out in this wonderful world of mystery. There's an Amanda who has her shit together and made all the right decisions in life and is probably succeeding in everything else. Fuck that bitch. She doesn't even know who you are. Probably it's like there's some loser out there probably wants my life. So I think I have a theory that every second you've ever lived in your life, no telling how old you're actually going to live right. But every second you've been alive every moment that you've been alive, you've died in another universe. Earth to the latest death that you have, you have died. And I've seen like I drive a courier so I drive a lot of places and I've seen some of those deaths man. I've come close I've avoided them but I don't think I avoided them in another universe. There's the, there's a theory that like when you get like the little shake that goes like down your spine, you kind of like, you just died, you just died somewhere. Like another alternate you just died. Yes. So if that theory holds true and there's like an alternate universe like infinitely for all of your decisions that means that in some, some atmosphere or whatever reality out there, there's a world where like nobody's ever died ever and everybody's all just crammed together with all sort of deans on earth because if there's infinite that means there's one reality where nobody has died ever and they're just all like with that I mean there's that means that there's a universe out there with where beef stroganoff is currency. So I love that. I love it. Well that's what Zach does in his sleep, apparently stroganoff. Well done, sir. Well done. Thank you. That was beautiful, but I'm like 20 minutes. I did. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thanks for sticking with us guys technical difficulties. But yeah, lucid dreaming very, very, very weird stuff. It's all Amanda's fault. I'm just going to say it right now. She is. She is her Wi-Fi is lucid dreaming away. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's hallucinating. Yep. I have this thing on my on my page on my Instagram page called the six questions. And number five is one of my favorite questions and I asked everyone this question so five and six are the same. Is the scariest or weirdest dream you ever had. I was wanting to ask you guys to get your take on that. The scariest dream I've ever had. So I would say the scariest dream I've ever had that I can recall, right. I actually had this dream several times. I've had this dream. I remember having this dream when I was a kid and then I've had it several times as an adult. Essentially, I'm standing outside of this building, which I feel like I've come to recognize has the old boy scout hut on Simbok airbase, which is no longer there, but I went to very often was when I was a boy scout. But I walk into the side of the building and there are all these people. It's like a long hallway through the building. So the outside looks like this building, but the inside doesn't. And the walls and the floor are all this like gross like pea soup tile green. And there's a bunch of people just like sitting against the floor, laying in the middle of the hallway and they're all really sick. And they all have this like brown like goop. It almost like reminds me of like ear wax almost, but it's kind of all over them. And I remember that I am going in there to get a drink of water. But there is this woman that is sitting like up underneath the water fountain. And I keep trying to get water, but she keeps trying to grab me. And the longer I try to get water, the more this like evil looking like her face becomes extremely angular. Like I remember like even her chin becomes this like goes from like a regular like rounded chin to like a very pointed like just sinister looking thing. Everything becomes black. She becomes very pale. And then I remember there's a door on the other side that you can walk through this building that I am trying to get to it. All the people that are like I always say they're sick. They're sick, lean up against the walls are trying to like pull me into and keep me there. It's almost like that scene in Little Mermaid where all the people who lost their bet with the evil witch are like trying to pull at Ariel to keep her in there. That's like what's happening to me. And this, whatever it is, this thing behind me is basically like tracking me down the hallway. And sometimes I get out and sometimes I get out into like it's a parking lot. I get out into a parking lot and that's the kind of the end of the dream. But there have been a few times where it's not. And I've been grabbed. And then the next thing I like to realize that like I feel like I'm in like a forest almost. I've never gotten gotten past past that. But the last time I had that where I guess you could say like I lost getting out of the building in the dream was when I was stationed in Germany. So that is really cool, man. That is a really good one. Hey, Zach, do you have anything like that? Mine's not like anything, I guess like creepy or paranormal or anything like that. Mine's in relation to an actual event in my life. In June of 2016, I was deployed to a country in South America and I was involved in like a 25 minute firefight. All the Americans made it out. We're good to go. All my buddies, we were able to leave and go back to our location just fine. But since that moment and I'm assuming it's like a relation to like PTSD of the moments or whatever. I have a nightmare a lot of where we don't make it out or my buddies die in front of me. Or I can't save them or I miss something and it'll be some type of variable of that. And I'm actually feeling like hot is talking about it thinking about it now. Yeah, it's a it is a reoccurring nightmare. It's always my it was just me, my buddy Patterson, my buddy Chisholm. And they always both die and I always wake up like a night sweats and stuff. But that's that's a scary stream I have. Well, that's definitely post-traumatic stress related because I have similar dreams and, you know, having gone through extensive therapy about them. Those are that's a very strong indicator. I have a similar one about a guy who crashed on his motorcycle when I was in Japan. Who gave CPR to him until Paramex arrived and when the Paramex arrived, they they gave him CPR for like a minute and then they stopped and they told me that like he was dead before I got there. So I have dreams a lot about him. He will enter my dreams and he will like tell me that I failed that I didn't save him. Holy shit. I'll be I will be in a random like not related to him at all scenario and he'll just show up like he'll be the pizza delivery guy and he'll be like. Yeah, man, you saved me. This is all your fault. I'm like, fuck. And then I have dreams of the eight year old girl Madison who also died when I respond to in this event. She was in the back seat of a car and she was T-boned. Her mom was driving and they were T-boned and she was crumpled into the vehicle. She was going to die if they tried to take her out. So I just spoke to her until she passed away to like calm her down. And I have dreams a lot of her. She'll enter my dreams a lot. Actually, when I found out I was having a daughter, I had a dream that when my daughter was born, it was actually Madison and then she died in my arms as my daughter being born, which is really shitty. But yeah, those are those are the really bad dreams that I have. They're reoccurring. Wow, man, I hope you can get some help for those because good Lord. Yeah, you did everything right. I'll just tell you, Zach, you did everything right, bro. Okay. Yeah, I have seen people for it. I take anxiety meds and stuff for it and stuff. I feel like it's something that you feel guilty that they didn't survive and you're carrying that with you. And it's manifesting itself in your dreams as it's, but it's you. It's not really that person. Yeah, I think it's you telling yourself. You know what I mean? Man. Yeah. Whole new respect for you, my brother. Your spot on, David, that's literally what I've been told before is that that is just like your in aphorism of what you're feeling and it's just manifesting itself in your mind as that. And they're, I don't know, they don't ever go away, but there's like things that you can tell yourself. And I've got to the point now where, like, I have similar dreams, but I can say things to myself now to where I, one of the things I'll say is that the best outcome happened to their worst outcomes. Yes, yes, that's great. That's a good way to say it. Absolutely. And thank you both for your service, man. Seriously, thank you both for your service. And I know Amanda's, I know Amanda's worst dream, but I want, I want to hear it. What is this feed? I do too. Oh my God, it's so right. Just circle your feet solely feet. The agony of defeat toes everywhere. No, it's so it happened. I want to preface this for saying I was really, really young when I had this, but it scared the daylights out of me. So do you guys know those plastic pools that were like around in the 90s and they were like a little blue flat shadow when they have like 3D impressions. Do you remember the ones that had designs like starfish and seahorses and stuff. And so if you were in the pool, they were 3D, but if you were outside, there was like concave shapes of stars and like, okay, so, okay. I'm just glad you guys understand what that is because it's hard to describe to people who don't know what that is. So in my dream, my sister and I were in high chairs. So this is like how young I was in this dream, and she was in front of me. Do you guys call them high chairs here? Yes. In a high chair, my chair is in a high chair. Feed me soon. Yeah. Feed you soup in a high chair. Feed me soon, sitting in a high chair, big chair, my chair, sitting in a high chair, feed me soon. Is that what is it? It's never heard that. You ever heard that? The high chair song. Okay, well, I'm glad they're high chairs here. There was a thing when I was a kid, and it was called, it was just called baby songs. And my mom bought them, and there's like a whole bunch of DVDs of like all these crazy songs about different things for like when you're little. It's just, it's a teach kids English and like other stuff, but it's just baby songs. Did Ronald say your name? It was like, "Hello Zachary, how do you do? Is that one of them?" No, but it wasn't. I had one of those. It wasn't for me, not for you. Obviously, they were like, "Hello Zachary." Anyway, so in my dream, my sister was sitting in front of me in a high chair and wouldn't stop crying. And we were in the party room of the apartment building that we used to live in, which was like the bottom floor, this big room. I had like a checker floor and people will hold like birthday parties. People will hold birthday parties and stuff in there. And so there's like a kitchenette in there for people, like a little fridge and microwave and stuff. And so in my dream, my biological dad, who was carecursically, not very nice to us and is not in our life anymore, kept like getting mad at my sister because she was crying. And so my sister would cry because I would yank her hair, but in my dream, she had this really long white hair like down to the floor. And I would pull it and she would cry. And then my biological dad would come over and like yell and like punch the table, be like shut the fuck up or whatever. So I did that a bunch and then I yanked her hair too hard and her high chair like collapsed and she fell to the ground and was crying. And my biological father grabbed her, smushed her into like a little thing and then shoved her into the starfish impression of that pool, which I had loved as a child until that dream. And then it was just her face in the shape of a star screaming for help and it was so scary. It was like a fucking LSD trip, which she 3D when the water was in, but like not three when the water was out. No, like it was like a concave shape. So he smushed her into it so that her face was flush with the rest of the police. She was in there like screaming in a star shape and I carried that with me for life. So that is not the dream. That's not the dream that you said in the six questions. It was a totally different. Oh, I didn't use my my child. Well, that one's embarrassing. So maybe not. Which one did I use the because she she's been attacked by a dog. Oh, the black dog. Yeah. Yeah. After I was bit by my dog, like the night after I had a dream that I was cornered by these like two or three really big black dogs that were like, like snapping at me and had spit flying off their teeth and stuff. But that was just, I think, because I just didn't want by a dog. So it might be that would make sense. This is it. Oh my God. Play it. I have. Who the fuck names or kid have. I don't know. Listen, it's only a minute. They have senior. Is it sure for happy? Happy Palmer. Enjoy this. That's Zach when he's asleep. I had videos for it. It was like a DVD thing. That's it? No, it's coming. Okay. It's coming. Yeah. Dude, this is a fucking dinner. I'm going to get this baby. That's an actual Chimp. I was going to say, dude, like, this Chimp Hizzy, this feels like this song would be just inserted into a Rob Zombie movie somewhere, while somebody is just getting fucking brutally butchered. I could see that. Yeah. Maybe in a high chair. It's kind of terrifying. I'm not going to lie. I probably have singers about that. There's always yours, David. Getting up time. I have a very strange. I have two strange dreams that I have often. One is of a house that I go to. It's my house. But I've never seen it in my real life. I've never seen this house. But it's huge. And I know the street. I've actually walked around the neighborhood all around this house. And I've had dreams where I'm in it. And I can't, I walk down. Like, there's the front of the house. It's really high ceiling. I can walk to the backside of the house. And there's all these other rooms. Like, there's no way there are all these rooms in this house, you know. I had dreams where I had to sell the house, but I still lived in it. In the back part, which was bizarre, you know, it's. By a house, get a fucking squatter. I don't understand this thing, but I always end up going back to this house. And I have a similar dream to this where it's, it's a city. That I know intimately, but I've never been in my waking life. I don't know what the fuck this place is. But I was, I was, I actually dreamed about this recently. And I was going down the street, driving to this little area where it's like a large. I want to say, I don't know. I don't even know what to call it. It's a big place that has little restaurants inside it and stores and all this. And I was dropping something. I was actually going to pick something up to drop it off somewhere else. So I drove my truck into the place into a restaurant, mind you. And picked up the product or whatever and started to drive off. And I know where I'm going. I've been here before. It's so strange. I go and it's, it's like a highway to what looks like Vegas. Like a Vegas type casinos everywhere. And you can, I've actually walked into the casinos where you're just walking through casino to casino casino. You know, just going through all these places. And I know that in another area, it's, there's a coastal area. I can drive to that coastal area. And I did grow up on the coast in Texas. So I don't know if that's related, but I keep going to this place and I don't know why I can't explain it. Do you ever get the sense that it means something other than just you repetitively having the dream? Yes, it means something. I don't know what it means. I just, I don't understand why I keep going there. They're like, oh, your house and squat in the back of it. Clearly. I always wonder if dreams like that, that are, that happen over and over again are like past life things. Like obviously the one I just told you guys about and you asked like scary dreams. Like that seems more like a movie unrealistic, right? Who knows parallel universes? But dreams like that, like you were talking about it almost makes you wonder if, I mean, do you believe in reincarnation? Absolutely. I really do. Yeah. I was like, I drowned once. Yeah. And it was so accurate. I can't imagine that it was anything but like a previous life because how else would I don't know what drowning feels like? Obviously. I think all that is tied together to be quite honest. Yeah, reincarnation. We've talked about energy doesn't go away. It continues on after the body, right? There's a place called the source. I think that's a real thing. I think we go to that place and we consider what we've learned from our lives and what we need to learn to level up. I believe there's so many dimensions, right? Scientists claim there are 11 dimensions for certain. Otherwise the universe would collapse if we didn't have these 11 other scientists say there's 17 other scientists even say there are more. But I believe our souls, like beings, whatever you want to call it, they go to this place. They try to determine did they learn the lessons in this life? It's not okay. Let's go back, right? Every time they level up, I feel like they go to a higher dimension. And one of the things they say about the source is that we have these soul contracts with other souls there that we're going to come back. To earth, we meet up with them and we help each other learn or whatever. And when you rise up your color, your aura, the soul changes color basically. And it goes into a higher kind of level. So I believe that those things go, you can go to a very high level on the dimension chain. Well, I'm on a very high level, right? They say the highest one is like a God's level. So you can do anything in this dimension once you reach this level. That reminds me of, it's not a song, but it's a track on one of logic's albums. It's called waiting room. Have you ever heard that before? If you have, I think I may have made Zach listen to it, but yeah, logic, like the rapper, there's a track on one of his albums. It's called waiting room. And Neil deGrasse Tyson is one of the, I guess, narrators on the primary narrator on the track. But essentially what it is is he talks about how you have to experience every life of every human being that has ever existed essentially. So in this guy, he's realizing, he's like, so I was Hitler and he's like, and all the millions he murdered. I was Jesus and all of his disciples. And it's really, really good. If you've ever listened to it, I like it. It's pretty cool. It kind of reminds me of that. But I mean, the idea, like what you were talking about about leveling up, it sort of implies that there's an end to the leveling up. And if there is an end to the leveling up, then what's the point, you know, and what is the last level, so to speak? Right. Divinity. I don't know. Divinity. I mean, that's what the Mormons believe, right, Zach? Yeah, that's what I was, what you just kind of explained, David, like you'd level up or whatever. That's very reminiscent to what the Mormons believe. They believe that there's different levels to heaven, and you have to do certain covenants and a whole bunch of other stuff to level up. And the final level is to be a God, like you are a God, and then it's supposed to explain like different dimensions. So once you've done enough for your God to make you a God, then you would start your own universe. So you would initiate your own big bang, and you'd have your own universe, and then that's another dimension in parallel to the one you just left. So like our God went through something similar to where he used to be a mortal being of some sort, and then he leveled up enough to became a God of us. And so we could do the same thing, and it's just infinite. I want to know, David, what's the scariest thing that's ever happened to you, like in a supernatural sense? The scariest thing has ever happened to me. It happened in 2014. I was in my apartment. It was October. And there was a fire in the apartment above me, and I didn't know that that was happening. And I remember it was like four ish. I knew it was a Sunday, the next day was Monday, so I was really tired. I was thinking about taking a nap, and I decided against it. But I think I remember a moment where I did take that nap. So I feel like those two things were playing out at the same time, then there was someone who was knocking on my door because he saw the smoke from up. And he was working on an air conditioner at some convenience store up the street. He saw the smoke. He came down. Turns out I was the only one me and my dog Charlie were the only ones in the building at the time. And had that man not showed up, I would have died for sure from smoke inhalation. Because I could smell smoke, but I live in Texas and it smelled like barbecue to me. I was sure it was barbecue. Yeah, it was like, Oh, it smells great. But had I not. Smells great. I didn't know. Didn't know. I mean, I went back. I love my belonging. Dude, there were holes between the apartment to mine, and just all this. It was just a mess afterwards. But I remember hearing glass break and getting up from my chair to go and see out the window. And the class, I looked down to see because I thought it was a window up. Like they had punched out because of the neighbors upstairs. They were always fine. And I thought, Oh, they finally did it, man. Someone swung a bat or some hit the glass. Someone back to sit down. But I have a memory of waking up and hearing the glass break. Right. And I think what happened was at some point in that moment, I did take a nap. And the room where I sleep in is so far, it's like a super long apartment. I would have never have heard the guy knocking because I sleep with the door closed at all times. Can't sleep otherwise. And plus I'm a heavy sleeper. I wouldn't have made it out. Pretty sure I didn't make it out. And I feel like I've been trying to understand this whole thing because I remember that. I have that memory. I remember that happening. And now I have a lot of like differences from me then and me now. For example, back then before this, I had arthritis and it was pretty bad. I mean, it was really, I mean, there was times when I couldn't even walk to after that. I don't have it anymore. I haven't had it since that year. It's completely gone. Now I have something totally different that I didn't have before. That's called ankylizing spondylitis, which is basically vertebrae is my spine are starting to fuse. And I'm shorter than I was in 2014 because I didn't have that before. I haven't now. I didn't have that before. I was five, seven and a half. Now I'm like five, five. And it's saying it's because of the vertebrae has been slowly crunching, squeezing out the discs, just killing them completely. I can't explain the difference. I don't understand what the hell is going on there. It doesn't make any sense to me. It's so sloppy. That's fucking weird because I had a friend when I was stationed in Montana and he and I were pretty good friends. I mean, we're, geez, he was there before I was and I was there for almost eight years. And when I left, he was still there. He ended up leaving eventually. But I ran into him again later down the road in my career. And like I immediately recognized him. He recognized me. I could tell something was like weird, but at the time, just totally attributed to the fact that like, it's been some time, you know what I mean? But I mean, I don't know if you've ever reconnected with an old friend. Like, I guess it sort of feels like nothing's changed. Like nothing you haven't missed a beat, you know what I mean? But that didn't happen. It was like, whatever, it didn't really think much of it. One night we were at the same party and I'm talking to him and found out that at his next duty location, he was involved in a really bad car accident. And he felt like he had, you know, he had a near-death experience. He, you know, thought he died, but woke up in the hospital was fine, recovered, all this stuff. And was basically telling me that like ever since then, he's a totally different person. And you know, he feels like he even had memories that he didn't have before. And he was really confused by them because he doesn't remember experiencing some of the things that he said that he knows now he experienced, but doesn't recall them. They're only, it's like a memory, but from an experience he didn't have. And dude, we had that conversation. And really, we just like weren't friends anymore after that. It was really weird. It was almost like that, it was him, but not him anymore. And even, I'll say this to this day, like it's so weird you say that because like this has never come up in conversation before. And I've always just chalked it up to like he had a near-death experience and was just changed by it. But the, you talking about that, like a different version of him, right? Right. Yeah. No, exactly. Almost like a nine lives with a cat sort of thing almost because like the way you talk David, like him saying that he had these memories of things that like never happened, but he knew they were there. I just like we didn't drive anymore because of the person that he was. You're from person. And I don't know. That's such a weird idea that you could have something like you said, like tag team. I never wanted to talk about it. Maybe at the source, you can have like a backup. I don't, you know, I would think about it and think about it and try to theorize and come up with all sorts of, how can I explain this because this doesn't make any sense to me. And for years, it's been 10 years, almost. It's been in October of the 10 years. And it's taken me this long to even talk about it because I would. One of the things that's happening and has been happening all this time is I can smell smoke where there's no smoke. And I remember when this started happening, it was not too long after the fire. I mean, for months and months and months, you know, the clothes I was able to get, the things that I was able to salvage had smoke on them for months and months and months and it would drive me nuts. Right. So years had gone by and I would be hanging out in my house and then I would smell a very strong odor of smoke. And I would run to like check to see if the oven was on to see if there's a fire in the house and I'm panicking and panic. And I'm asking my girlfriend, do you smell that? And she doesn't. And so I come to find that I'm still smelling the smoke, but there's no fire. It's bizarre and then it'll happen again. And it'll happen again. And it'll happen again. It was driving me nuts, man. It's to the point now that I smell it. And it's like, Oh, okay, it's that because there's like a tent of chemical to it, which was very similar to the fire. Towards the end, I could smell some sort of weird chemical tinge to this to the barbecue that was taking place. And the other night, did you. I had a question. Did you're like, because I know you're like pretty connected with the paranormal and stuff like that. Did it increase or really pick up about the same time 10 years ago. Dude, let me tell you that night, that night I had my first paranormal experience. I went to go and stay with my sister that night because I couldn't sleep. I mean, the place was destroyed. And they were going to set us up in a hotel like the Red Cross came by and they were like, who needs to stay. And I was like, I need a place to stay. And my sister called me. I'm just like, don't go there. Come stay with me. Sure. I went to sleep in the guest bedroom. My sister used it as a guest bedroom in a like a craft room or whatever. And I went to sleep with my dog in this like small bed. It was like in the middle of the room. And that's when I started hearing tapping on the wall. And I am very like, I have never met a skeptic. That was more. More or less like me till I met Amanda. And she's like, she needs the real proof. Right. So my mind at the time was like, I'm going to prove what this is not something paranormal. So I was looking around and I could see my sister had some paper. They were. It was thumbtacked to the wall. And when the ceiling fan was going, I could see the paper was like flowing out. And at one point, it would turn and tap the edge onto the wall. And I thought, that's it. It's that good night. Right. Like I said, I can't sleep with those next door open. It needs to be closed. So the door was locked closed. We were asleep. I was sleeping on my right side. My dog was with me. And I, I awoke to someone moving my left shoulder, like shaking me, shaking me. And it felt like a small hand. And my sister is five foot. Her name is also Amanda. I thought it was her for sure. The popular name. And so I opened my eyes and I looked and there was no one there, but I could still feel this business. And I looked to see the door was closed. My sister wasn't there. And then I heard shuffling on the floor. It was like a wood floor. From in front of me to around the bed. And I was like, what the fuck was that? And then that's when I heard a child laugh like a little boy giggling. And dude, I freaked out. Freaked out. I'm going to go out here. David, you're talking about fire. You in this dimension died in that fire and another version of you tagged in and took over this spot. So you're not. You are not from this current like world. You're from another one. You swapped somehow. That's one of the theories for sure. Absolutely. The other David looks like Anakin after all we want to cut him up. He doesn't know what's going on because he wasn't in a fire. He's cold. That is yes. That was my first real paranormal experience. The same day that that happened. So yeah, that was one of you said you're a skeptic before stuff and you had a crossover. So now you're. I've had a lot of your paranormal your connection now is because you're that door to wherever you came from is still open. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people talk about that having your death experiences and then now. So close to it. You know, you're experiencing it. You just have a day job room. What was that? No, it's something touch my face and that was like a fruit fly or something. Yeah, man. That's so bizarre. I don't I can't explain it. I cannot. So I didn't want to talk about it for so long because I really could not explain it. And so, but I feel comfortable about it now. I mean, have this thing on the back of my neck that was like a little hickey. Yeah, it was a hickey. It's a it looks like a three. What do you call a third degree burn? And it was very small. Went to go see a doctor. He didn't know what it was. So he sent me to like a specialist. A psychologist. They didn't know what it was. So they took some samples and basically said. And conclusive. We don't know here. Rub this on it. See what's up. It was very small. It's about the cancerous. Big as this, right? Yeah, they said it wasn't. That's that was like, okay, great. That's that's a good thing, right? This thing is grown. It is it is grown. It was on the right side of my neck. On the back and it has spread to the other side of my neck. It's huge. That's the burn passing through. You're still burning. Oh, for sure, dude. Dude. Yeah. That's kind of what it sounds like, man. Yeah. That was the first thing they asked me. Is that did you reunify her? I was like, yeah. Of course, but I didn't get burned unless I did die in bed, right? And the fire came through and decided it was going to burn the ship. Now it feels like it's spreading and I'm wondering like, what's going to happen? Is it ever burned? Now it's just like. If all time, like you're saying earlier, like everything's happened at at once. Or like it's not happening. Like whatever, everything's happening the exact same time. The fire is still happening to your other self that you swapped with and they're burning right now and it's passing through. That's why I smell the smoke, maybe. I mean, that's why that's the only thing I can explain. It's happened. It's still happening. Like you're on fire right now. Are you accepted right now? Is this all a dream? Zach is giving fucking David just massive anxiety, dude. Dude, I thought about all this. You know what my theory is on this? I think I have a percentage of that dead, whatever with me. That's what I think it is. Yeah. Because it's not fully. It's. It's. It's. It's the other person's body. It's it's the. But your mind and it's like somehow got jumbled up, I think. I think I'm going to run away. Just be. Your body is on fire and the other dimension and that guy's gone. Dude, what if you just randomly spontaneously combust now? That's what that is. I wouldn't be surprised. It is the fire of a death and a previous dimension catches up. Amanda will have one hell of a show that happens. Especially happens. I'll make the best episode out of it. I promise. And now for your viewing pleasure. David. Live on discord. Let's watch this together, guys. Yeah. Seen by scene frame by frame. David's head explodes. What's the scariest thing that's ever happened to you, man? Oh, gosh, you're so many to drop them like paranormal or in general. I don't know. Yeah, like paranormal. This is David right now. I would probably have to say. What's that David's field right now? That is David. This is fine. That's awesome. This is fine. Everything's cool. Has everything's on fire and he's living a whole new life. Yeah, exactly with the hat. This is fine. I don't know why I smell smoke. This is fine. I guess the scariest paranormal thing would be I did see a shadow figure. And that really like it was scary kind of, but only what made it scarier was that my grandmother acknowledged it and my sister like we all saw it so that really made it scary because otherwise like I'm very much. I can talk myself out of thinking it. I can be like, Oh, I didn't really see that, you know, logic comes in the family. Yeah, when your other family members acknowledge it and makes it really real. And so that not so much even scary in that moment, but like definitely gives me the crease. What was the situation? You guys just like sitting watching TV or like did something happen? You wake up. You just noticed that we crossed the room. My grandparents house was extremely haunted to the point where like every single family member I have has experiences. I'm just talking to my sister about this last night because she talks to my cousin who also remembers his own experiences. So like that's kind of cool. But basically the way that the house is is like there's a little TV room and then like a long hallway. David, don't. I thought about it. Don't. And then if you're in the TV room and you're looking out the door, you can see the door to the bathroom. So it's like across the hall. Okay, guys, sorry about technical difficulties. Again, but Amanda's computer is halfway retarded and but you were talking about. You saw it. You saw the shadow figure walk by the door. I'm flustered now because I just my computer was insulted in such a manner. Yeah, a shadow walk down the hallway and I noticed it and I didn't even really have a chance to process what I saw because my grandmother immediately said Joe, which is my grandfather's name. So that's when I was like, oh shit, she saw that. And he heard her and was in the bathroom like 10 feet away through a closed door and through the closed door was like, yeah. So we're like, wasn't him. There's nobody else in the house and we all saw it. My grandmother lived there. She was she did not like us to bring it up. My sister and I would like joke about it because we were young and didn't really understand like the scary part of it, you know. But any time we brought up the ghost, she got really defensive. Like it was really taboo to talk about and like my whole my grandmother who is like she does not bullshit for anything. And she had experiences in that house. My grandmother, my mom, my sister, me, my cousins, like everyone who was in that house had something like walked away with some kind of experience. But that seeing that shadow, it was the only time I ever saw it. But knowing what it was now, or like what it couldn't have been scares the daylights out of me. Talk about that range that you have your grandmother has been talking about to say how. Oh yeah, we're wedding ring. Yeah, that was like the biggest story that in my family really that we have because it was like the most relevant. But my grandmother and my grandfather were married for like 50 something years. She never took her ring off ever. It was very much, you know, glued to her finger. And one morning she woke up and it just wasn't on her hand. And she looked like they tore the bed apart. They tore the room apart. They didn't have any pets or anything at that time. And they could not find it anywhere. So after a few weeks, like they kind of thought it would turn up so they didn't really do anything immediately about it. But a few weeks later, like they had not found it and it's just them living in the house. They bring kids but like we're not going to steal a wedding ring. So they ended up replacing it so they go out and are looking for like new rings or whatever and they replace it and months go by like probably six months go by. And a lot of the activity that happened in that house was in the basement and to get to the basement that same hallway that that figure like walk down as if he was walking away from the basement that night that the basement was the door before the bathroom on the same side of the wall. And so you would take that to the living room or you would turn down the stairs and there was like a door to go outside and then more stairs to go to the basement. And vacuuming one day randomly, six months later and the ring is perfectly in the middle at the top of the stairs to the basement. Wow, dude, what the fuck? This is your high traffic area. Trippy. Very bizarre. That is. And so they didn't like that very much but stuff all the time with missing like they would they smoked my grandmother smoked a lot and like cigarettes would go missing constantly and we were always getting accused of like taking cigarettes and stuff. We had a dimmer switch in the spare room. Watching you and if we all night long the light super super dark super super light and it just all night long. But any other time it wouldn't just weird shit like that that would happen. That is weak. Yeah, so weird. Actually, I have a photo where there's like right where that door is where all the like dimmers would shit happen in the direction that the shadow figure was heading down that hallway. There's two glowing eyes at the bottom and I don't know what the fuck it is because they didn't have any pets, but I have it on like a photo like a Polaroid photograph. It does look I've seen it. It looks like a like a two red eyes that are cat or dog height in the corner. But it's like there's you can see there's like no color behind it. So there's nothing I don't know. It's weird. But I'll tell you another story. When I was when I stationed in Montana, I was working one night in the weapon storage area. This is just where the ICVMs are worked on there. And my buddy and I were parked in what we call the conventional storage area and just think of like almost looks like you've been like public storage. You know what I mean with all the like the rows and rows and rows of like a garage doors. So basically what it looks like. And we're a Humvee and we're parked next to it and we're just we were playing cards and I had like the radio like propped up in the windshield and like had the visor pull down to like hold it up against the window. So I hear it and all this stuff. And we're just sitting there and it felt like somebody was on top of the the conventional storage unit and jumped on top of the Humvee like boom the whole Humvee mood right. You know it literally sounded like something jumped. And so we and our initial thought was somebody was fucking with us. Because we used to like climb up on top of the conventional storage and we would bring like camping chairs and watch the sun go down just being fucking romantic I guess. And so we both jumped out of the Humvee real quick and you know looked on top of the Humvee and no one was there. And like really there would have was not the opportunity for anybody to jump and then maybe what would have been like a five foot drop climb back up onto the storage unit and run across the top of it and then drop down onto their Humvee and go back. And I'm so we both stood there and like I looked down like the long like alley that these things ran and like no one was running didn't hear anybody running didn't hear. And he ran around the end of the storage unit and there wasn't another Humvee because like one thing we used to do to sneak up on each other would be driving the Humvee and then kill the engine and then like roll it to a stop. And you could go pretty far like that you know what I mean and just the engine isn't on. And so we just like we fuck. Yeah stealth and we just like fuck that and and drove away to the other side of the WSA or storage. And I'm right in the middle of the the WSA is this old like Vietnam era control tower it's actually where like the actual like RTO would sit and like transmit. And it's not using more it's condemned you're not supposed to walk up there but there's like this big electrical box that's up underneath it with you know control and like you use to control like all the lighting in there and everything like that. And you know we're just sitting there like that was really fucking weird but okay we're like carrying on with our lives and pretend like that didn't happen. Because that place is it's definitely haunted and there's I could tell you probably like 10 other fucking stories that happen. And you know it's all there's 20 people that experience this all at once okay. And some of it's like on camera or like you get an alarm and correspondence with something weird happening right. And so we watch this like like blinking thing move really really fast across the WSA all this grass and gravel and go up underneath this old tower. This bright light like somebody like turns on a flashlight and then it goes out happens. And then we're like what the fuck did you see that he's like yeah I saw that and we drove over there and the control panel to the electrical box was just open. And it's never it's never open like there's actually like a lock on it. And it's just open in like this big old metal door is like swinging in the wind. And it was really really weird but some people had experiences like that all the time. I have no idea why not to my knowledge like no one ever died down there it was it's not like a the side of a battlefield. I mean I guess it could have been like a Native American battlefield. But it's just on a US military mountain for space installation you know what I mean. So but people would have all kinds of really really weird experiences there and the missile like the the mass missile alert facilities they definitely had some really weird shit happen to them out there. But that a lot of it was I think like Native American related because these are sites that are like out in the middle of the mountains of the prairie in Montana. But anyway yeah let me ask you when the flashlight you said there was a flashlight you could see a flashlight on it. No it was like a flat like a like somebody like somebody had a flashlight they really had a flashlight and you put your hand over it and you just went like that. Yeah that's kind of what it looked like for that like maybe even that quick yeah. And the slow slower that like you let it out and then you close it maybe like you're trying to like signal. Yeah but it was right and it wasn't like pointing at us it was just like a light that was you know up underneath before the staircase really walked up around the top of the thing. And so you can really see anything right no real shape no real wow. No and this entire it's nighttime and but there's all this orange light you know what I mean you can see relatively well you know what I mean. And then there's all this like bright white light that like shines outward that's not facing at you right so you can see like avenues of approach right. But so it's lit enough and you can kill all the light but it wasn't for any reason like at that time you know what I mean. So when it jumped the Humvee could you tell like from the sound could you tell like what kind of weight it had to it was it super heavy person. Yes like it literally sounded like. Yeah somebody somebody had felt like and like I said like the Humvee is so dropped. You know what I mean like somebody had legitimately jumped boom and landed with both feet on top of us. And then that was it it was just like like that like what the fuck you know. And the turret the turret hatch was closed like we couldn't see anything. And so we both just like opened the doors and like got out and I mean this is like boom maybe like three seconds and get out. Like I said it was like a good five foot drop probably from the roof of the Humvee the roof of the conventional storage unit. So like even if somebody you know we would have like witnessed at least some ass and feet going over the top of the wall. You know what I mean and would have heard you know some scuffling on the roof across to the other side. This is a good like 15 20 feet at least you know. So that's why you thought someone was fucking with you is because it sounded like a person landing on thing right. Yeah we've been like I think part of us part of us like totally expected to like then to like lift up the top of the like the turret into the Humvee and be like what's up faggots or something stupid you know what I mean. You know just like your behavior yeah what's up you know basically something yeah something you know just being. What's up koalas. Yeah exactly what's up my marsupials. You guys watching my feet. Yeah. But no really really weird. No idea. You're just fucking muted crazy. Yeah. But anyway. Yeah dude I think I think it's a good place to wrap up what you guys think. Yeah. It's a good time. Yeah. Yeah before she goes. I really liked talking to you guys and you guys come back and we'll come back. You guys are season three is starting soon right. Yeah. Are you guys done making episodes for the year. No no we are season starts in the new year so we're still in season two but we are releasing our third segment of our one something which is our we speak with animals. The tax survivors. So we're third installment of that which is kind of like a kind of a big deal. Okay. For us but no we're still in our second season. Got you. We should definitely have us on again. Oh yeah. This year. Okay. Yeah. But yeah. Okay well tell everybody where they can find you real quick and then we'll wrap up. You can find me in David's basement breathing heavily late at night. Yes. No. Usually do. Usually. I got that weird rash on my back. I got a heinous aim. Anyway. Yeah but you can find me anywhere or us anywhere that you find podcast release. So apple podcast, Spotify, I heard radio all that. Or just Google one nothing podcast and we'll show up to the only one with our name. It's true. So in. Nothing. Results will happen. Results will happen. Hell yeah. And then leave us like a review because that really helps. So if you have nice words, let us hear them reviews do help, you know, and I'm just going to reiterate this again. 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